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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back Man season two of All the Smoke. We got

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Speaker 1: a real special Guess what's up with your Brodie with

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Speaker 1: the virtual handshake. I'nna tell you. I never told you.

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Speaker 1: I want to All the Smoke. Welcome back to another

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Speaker 1: edition All the Smoke. My brother Jack. This is the

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Speaker 1: first time we've done a remote episode in studio. In studio,

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Speaker 1: but it's our guest is our guest is birthday. We

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Speaker 1: wish you could have him in person. But to me,

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Speaker 1: growing up playing football, someone I really enjoyed watching and

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Speaker 1: wish she could have played longer. Wish she could have

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Speaker 1: played for a better team so we could have seen him,

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Speaker 1: see him get a ring. But welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: Calvin Johnson Man, Calvin, thanks for joining. Glad to be here, fellows,

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Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Thank you for your time. Um

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Speaker 1: current check up. How's the family, you know, considering COVID

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Speaker 1: and everything that's going on. How's everybody holding up out

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Speaker 1: there in Michigan? Shoot the immediate family. We're all good here,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to uh, you know, maintain our

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Speaker 1: our our guys, I guess you could say with with COVID,

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Speaker 1: even though the whole world is starting to get last.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're just trying to stay tight because you know,

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Speaker 1: we got family members you know that have uh you know,

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Speaker 1: pre existent positions that you know, it could be real,

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Speaker 1: real troublesome for them, you know, not to mention. I

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Speaker 1: know three people personally, you know that passed from it,

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Speaker 1: you know, two of them being the Foundation volunteers of mind.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I know, you know it's hit home,

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Speaker 1: you know, So it's it's not nothing for me to

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Speaker 1: light song. Really, you know, I'm just trying to, you know, maintain,

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Speaker 1: just remain stringent with the rules that we have in

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Speaker 1: place for back home and at work. That's what's up.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned before we got on the air. You got

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Speaker 1: another little man on the way. Congratulations with that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little boy, No little knucklehead man. I don't even

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Speaker 1: I don't know we're gonna name them, but uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. We want to have a girl. You know,

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Speaker 1: we got two boys, so you know, we got another

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Speaker 1: boy and we're done. I got three boys. Are what

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Speaker 1: are the ages of your boys? Six and two six

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Speaker 1: and two things too and the new one on the

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Speaker 1: wall on the way, Uh huh. We're definitely a boy.

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Speaker 1: And I feel you I wanted to get I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get a girl. I couldn't get a girl. Jack,

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Speaker 1: on the other hand, has a house was full of girl,

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Speaker 1: flock full of girls. Girl Jack got five girls. You know,

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Speaker 1: with the current state, obviously, with the pandemic being what

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Speaker 1: it is, and current social justice climate, what are your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on where America is right now? Man? You know

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Speaker 1: you see it on a daily basis. I mean, you're

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Speaker 1: walking around here. I live in the area. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's predominantly white. You know, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, once you step above eight mile in Michigan,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's that's just how it is in the suburbs.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you know, I go around here, I'm

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Speaker 1: you still have the people that that are just nasty.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the climate, you know, it kind

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Speaker 1: it's just okay for them to just be nasty, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so and I say people, I mean, I mean

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Speaker 1: white people. I'm not just you know, everything the climate

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Speaker 1: is divisive all around, but I'm talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: just that racial biases coming out. You know, I'm from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I'm used to seeing it. And the problem I feel

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Speaker 1: you're seeing it all the time. You're going to the store,

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Speaker 1: whether they're following you, just weird stupid questions, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, you go mute to it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: just it's just, you know, it's just something that just happens.

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Speaker 1: You used to get used to it, you know, but

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Speaker 1: then when when things like like we see with the

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Speaker 1: getting killed, you know about police, you know, that kind

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Speaker 1: and it makes you think like, Okay, why am I mute?

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Speaker 1: this needs to be if you need to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: You know, this isn't anything. This racial, This racial tension

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, but the conversation is you starn't

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Speaker 1: the dialogue. Really, yeah, I think this is I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm four years old and I feel we've never been

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Speaker 1: a great point. It's the conversations that need to be had,

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Speaker 1: but they're tough conversations, and we had We had Charlotta

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Speaker 1: he's just like, you know, white people don't want to

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Speaker 1: give that power up. You know that that racial tension,

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Speaker 1: that racial hate is power in their mind because it's

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Speaker 1: biracial children, now, I mean, the world is turning browner

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Speaker 1: let's go back to high school where all this amazing

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Speaker 1: that started. Uh, you know, a football star, a baseball star.

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Speaker 1: How did you get into football and baseball? Growing up?

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Speaker 1: I just be dropping balls like left and right. You know,

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Speaker 1: So from that point on, just to work that kicked

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Speaker 1: So somehow you went from butter fingers to Megatron. How

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Speaker 1: mean you got to think about it. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: Like I know, bullshit. I played. I played football, baseball, basketball, track.

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Speaker 1: How curling blunts was curling Blunt's attitude and what we

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Speaker 1: love many attitude the dog? Yeah, who gave you that nickname? Though?

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Speaker 1: Always high myself? Okay, I talked to myself always high

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Speaker 1: name is all first name, always last name, high so

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Speaker 1: high school star. What was the recruiting process, Like you

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Speaker 1: If you're at Georgia Tech, you won't know you had cappus.

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Speaker 1: and freed up some creativity as well. I mean there's differently,

424
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Speaker 1: so many, so many different things that you can use

425
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Speaker 1: it for, you know, like you say information, you know

426
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Speaker 1: that was the chief for me. And but really just

427
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Speaker 1: the overall emotional feeling of well being, you know that

428
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Speaker 1: that I got, you know when I was you know, indulge,

429
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Speaker 1: you know, especially when you when you do tayling. You

430
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Speaker 1: guys ready to been here? Uh Calvin, is there like

431
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Speaker 1: a fan on or a vacuum or something? Oh? Ship, Yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: my bad? Automatic? I don't bad. Was that automatic vacuum?

433
00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: You said you got that much money? You got that

434
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Speaker 1: motherfucking vacuum. Uh, man, got so much money, you got

435
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:43,119
Speaker 1: that motherfucker walk that walking vacuum. Hey, what was the

436
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 1: h Mega computers and all got to get the Mega

437
00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 1: mega vacuum vacuum? What was What was the testing process?

438
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 1: Like you know with Jack and I when we first

439
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,879
Speaker 1: came into the NBA, we would get tested at the

440
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Speaker 1: at the very beginning in training camp and then we

441
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,400
Speaker 1: were free to do us and that was the best

442
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Speaker 1: type of our lives. And then they started working around

443
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Speaker 1: and giving us four random tests that I had to

444
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Speaker 1: start paying my trainers. Give me your heads up when

445
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Speaker 1: it was coming, just so I can kind of maneuver

446
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Speaker 1: by Jack. Yeah, Jack, what tripth if he couldn't have

447
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Speaker 1: no weeds? So what was your process? What was it

448
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: one in the preseason and you were free to do

449
00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,080
Speaker 1: it or did you get tested during the season unless

450
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Speaker 1: you know how messed up it was the day they

451
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Speaker 1: started on four tent so between four twenty and August. Like, ay,

452
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Speaker 1: that's like your window for getting tested, and you get

453
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Speaker 1: tested any time in that window. But once you get

454
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Speaker 1: that test, you get until that next year, until that

455
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Speaker 1: next window comes back around. You got a whole year. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 1: like whenever you get in that window, like you get

457
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Speaker 1: it in August, you know, then you got to April.

458
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Speaker 1: If you get into April at the beginning, you got

459
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Speaker 1: to April. But uh yeah, you just the Suther Department.

460
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Speaker 1: The sus is like you gotta you know, train and

461
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Speaker 1: be off of the officers like a month you know

462
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Speaker 1: before you know, give yourself some time where the clear

463
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Speaker 1: out your system and then you gotta be awful. Then

464
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Speaker 1: chill whenever you your test and say you if you

465
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Speaker 1: don't get your tests from you know, something from like

466
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Speaker 1: March when used to get off until you know the

467
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Speaker 1: last uh you know the dirty and that test. That's

468
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Speaker 1: so that's a random that's a random time. Right. They

469
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Speaker 1: don't give you no heads up or nothing. Just in

470
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Speaker 1: that window. They can say, c J, we need your pee.

471
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, so they will start, but they'll give you

472
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Speaker 1: like that like that's talk your position group per se.

473
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Speaker 1: You know, they're like, hey, we got your group, like

474
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Speaker 1: this week, we got receivers this week. You know that's

475
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Speaker 1: that's about the earl. You probably that's hey, I could

476
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Speaker 1: have beat that. Every time you give me a heads

477
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Speaker 1: up out of here, I'm good. I was like, man,

478
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Speaker 1: I think coming out the pores, I don't know about

479
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Speaker 1: to beat that. You know, so I used to ain't

480
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Speaker 1: no bullshit, man. I used to carry my detox drink

481
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Speaker 1: with me, like I beat test day of smoking the

482
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Speaker 1: night before, like not knowing the next morning I was

483
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Speaker 1: gonna be peeing. Sometimes I didn't get their heads up.

484
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Speaker 1: But if I can give me two hours and I'm

485
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Speaker 1: gonna give you a clean test. I don't know how

486
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Speaker 1: much weed I smoked the knife you said that at

487
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Speaker 1: that Dame brand for an endorsement. Dream I dream, but

488
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: the detox drinks man, because it's like to me, yeah,

489
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 1: to me, there was no other options. Like I said,

490
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Speaker 1: we can laugh and joke about it now. And and

491
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,959
Speaker 1: you know, we've only started gaining traction because there's been

492
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Speaker 1: medical research behind it, because you know, now we're seeing that, Okay,

493
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Speaker 1: it does help with this, it does help with that.

494
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: And we've been saying this the whole time, but we've

495
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: been labeled as losers, stoners, you know, Dopez, whatever you

496
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: want to call it, because we knew what this plant

497
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Speaker 1: from the earth did for us, but it just hadn't

498
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Speaker 1: had enough research on it yet. So I'm just happy,

499
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm glad we could laugh about it now,

500
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Speaker 1: and I'm glad we're making progression and professional sports and

501
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 1: across the medical field as a whole. But it really

502
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Speaker 1: helps people. And then what's the alternative? I mean, as

503
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Speaker 1: a GM or a president or owner, do you want

504
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Speaker 1: your players drinking or all piled up or you want

505
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Speaker 1: them sitting there and at the house smoking the joint,

506
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Speaker 1: laughing a lot. I don't know what the culture was

507
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 1: in the NBA, but I know, you know, everybody knows

508
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: it now about the NFL. You know, we got we

509
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: got to the NFL. You know, you're just going to

510
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 1: trans room and get whatever you wanted, you know, you know,

511
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: just going into the bag. You know. It was like skittles,

512
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: like skittles, anything you needed, anything you needed. How did

513
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: you get the name Megatron? And when? When? When did

514
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: that stick? When I got drafted No. Seven, um to

515
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: Detroit my teammate Roy Williams, he was starting ex receiver

516
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Speaker 1: at the time. Um, it was just happy. It's just

517
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Speaker 1: tilling me. Everything's time me man. And with this specifically,

518
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: the movie came out writing O seven and uh, you know,

519
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Speaker 1: I guess he just said, ay, you're big, strong, fast,

520
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: you move like when he started to call the Megatron.

521
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Speaker 1: But you didn't really catch you on until oh wait,

522
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Speaker 1: you know after after that rookie season, second season you're

523
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Speaker 1: on the wrong side of history, going oh and sixteen?

524
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Speaker 1: What was that? Like a lot of dope that year

525
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: had to be, man, you had to be smoked out there.

526
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Speaker 1: What you're doing right? Man? I mean sure you gotta

527
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: come somehow. Man, you don't know how to deal with that.

528
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: My home was just like do know how long I

529
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: want to play? Man? Like It's like you're like we're

530
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: in the cold. We gotta finish our season in Green

531
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: Bay every year, like man, So it took you guys

532
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, it took you guys a

533
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: little bit to you go into your first handful of years.

534
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, you guys finally make the playoffs in two

535
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven. What was the process like just actually

536
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Speaker 1: finally getting there? After like you said, all the ups

537
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: and downs, oh and six teams and two and four teams.

538
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm talking to a lot of events that

539
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: been that played in different places, you know, and coaches

540
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: and whatnot, you could come to realize, like there's a time,

541
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Speaker 1: I guess when the team has a has a moment

542
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: where they have this this chance kind of to like,

543
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: you know, take it to the next level. Sheep just

544
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: team together, allowed them build around his team and let

545
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Speaker 1: them you know, go all the way with it. So, yeah,

546
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: we got that team together, and you know, that's that's

547
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Speaker 1: what that's what you do. You got together the defense

548
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: line together, we got the offense putting up these numbers,

549
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: and we finally got their um good coaching. It's really

550
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: just a team and you know, the team was viving

551
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: and we had a great chemistry. We're hanging out together

552
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: off the field. You know, that's the feeling that we had.

553
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: Guys were playing for each other. You know, there were

554
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 1: no selfish motives. You know, we got the cancers out

555
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: of the locker room. You know, it's it's it's it's

556
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: just that filling up togetherness and moving as one unit.

557
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's moving march into the same tomb, saying

558
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 1: the same things, whether it comes to the media, whether

559
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: it's just us talking about you know, how we're making

560
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: each other better. You know, it's it's no big wasn't

561
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Speaker 1: b s. You know, it wasn't a bunch of off

562
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: the field stuff. Everybody's focused. Everybody was able to compart

563
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: with the laws and and and and and focus on

564
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: the mission at hand. And that was just what's happening today.

565
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: What are we doing today? Today's third n day. Okay,

566
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna focus on third down day, tomorrow's reds one day,

567
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a perfect red zone day. And just that,

568
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: let I say Stagno's good days up and as we

569
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Speaker 1: were able to do um at the best, at the

570
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: highest level during my time in Detroit, were those latter

571
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: years in my career there two thousand and twelve. You're

572
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: rewarded for all your hard work. He signed a hundred

573
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollar contract over eight years. That's why

574
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: you got walking vacuums in your house still to this day,

575
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: exact sixty million guaranteed. I mean, for that time, this

576
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: was something that was unheard of. Obviously, they rewarded you

577
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 1: for your for for you know, your your hard work

578
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: on the field, and you rewarded them with the career

579
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: year yourself a hundred twenty two catches nineteen hundred sixty

580
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: four yards. I mean, what was that like considering still

581
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: your team went back to not playing well, but you

582
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: had an amazing season. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm I

583
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: was so fortunate. You know, my whole time in Detroit,

584
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: Man I had a coach and Seawan Jefferson. You know,

585
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: I can't I can't talk about my career without mentioning

586
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: him because he's the same guy. You know, sand played

587
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: for San Diego, Atlanta and in New England. I think

588
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: you played for thirteen years. You know, played under Bill Parcels,

589
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: you know, one of the toughest coaches out there, and

590
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: you know he brought that grid to the receiver locks

591
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: to the receiver room, and he got to say every

592
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: year at the beginning of every season, you want to

593
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 1: be great, And of course you're gonna answer you yes,

594
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: but he's like, I'm gonna coach you like you want

595
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: to be great, and I'll tell you he did that.

596
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: He did that each and every day, whether you felt

597
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: like it or not, he got it out of you.

598
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: And uh, I mean him just pushing us every day.

599
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: He helped us. You know, the main thing you want

600
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: to do when you're practicing is bring that game like

601
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: intensity to the practice so that when you so that

602
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: it translates to Sunday or whatever day you're playing. And

603
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: you know he pushed that, he got that, He got

604
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: that out of us, and he got it out of

605
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: me each and every each and every day while he

606
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: was there. You know, it was sad to see him

607
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: going after my six or seventh year, but you know

608
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: he is still so much of me at the time

609
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: that you know that that can never leave four and

610
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: twelve done looking like somebody who had a bad shoes

611
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: night in the NBA. Oh my god, that's rough man.

612
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: How is it though, for you, because obviously your ultimate

613
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: team player to have the type of season you had,

614
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, historical season and in context, but still your

615
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: team not doing well, you know what I mean, Like

616
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: there's no moral victories. You know, once you get to

617
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: the pros. The fucking loss is a loss, you know,

618
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: I mean, but you're still going out there putting up

619
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: amazing numbers. How did you balance the two situations? Press? Yeah,

620
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, it's just one. Just I'm

621
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: not leaving me personally. I'm like, okay, I'm out here.

622
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm just the overall you know, thirty dollars in foot

623
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: of you. You You know, I'm supposed to have a hunt

624
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: of yards every day. I just got to do that,

625
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: you know. That's what that's my expectation for myself. And

626
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't get that. And you know, I didn't do

627
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: something right that day. I was I didn't have my

628
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I wasn't at my best that day. But it's just

629
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: like it's hard, you know. But like I said, if

630
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: I had that coach, I was pushing me each and

631
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: every day, and that practice that I put in, all

632
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: that running and all that stuff during the week, you know,

633
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: the one for nothing. So I had to let I

634
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,959
Speaker 1: have let it out on on Wednesday, that frustration loosen.

635
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: You know, the defenders had to feel that. You know,

636
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: they felt that with every block, you know, every time

637
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: I caught the ball and trying to get the Yet

638
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: you know they felt that because you know, we had

639
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: too much on the team to to be falling by

640
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: the wayside like that. And you know it's like I say,

641
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: it's just aggressive, and then I just try to find

642
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: I just try to compartmentalize these things while I'm playing.

643
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: That pends up, aggression, all that stuff. You trying to

644
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: focus it. You know, I let it out on the field,

645
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: whether it's that's losing, you know, whether it's just you know,

646
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: just whatever it may be that thing's got me, whether

647
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: it's just fired up. You know, I just trying to

648
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: focus that and put in and directed. And I was

649
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: able to do that and you know, put away put

650
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: put by the wayside. Yes, we're losing and just you

651
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: know fall You're never want to just say I'm focusing

652
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: on on on myself, But I mean, I'm just focusing

653
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: on being the best version of myself. And if I

654
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: do that, you know, that's how that's the best way

655
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: for me to help the team. I feel like facts, Yeah,

656
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: you had a job to do. Yeah, we had totally

657
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: understand that we've been on some we've been on some

658
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: teams that we would losers, but we still had a

659
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: job to do. Who did Who did you look forward

660
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: to matching up with on your career? Patrick Peterson? Um? Yeah, yeah,

661
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: LVS Man, I'm aloys to be serious. Man. Um. You know,

662
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: it's fun playing him because because Pat, you know, you know,

663
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: he's in your face all the time. He's going to

664
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: follow you. It's like kind of like the Jerry Rice

665
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Dion where he gonna everywhere you go, you know, and

666
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate that, you know, you appreciate that

667
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: one of that level respect that you're getting because okay,

668
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: you're getting the other teams best defender. He's following you

669
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: everywhere you go and at the time, and you know,

670
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: I just know that at the time, like, Okay, when

671
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: I look back on this, this is gonna be like

672
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: some there's gonna be some o G show. You got

673
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: to two oldgs battling right here. You know those kind

674
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: of battles, man, because he's pushing me and I'm pushing

675
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: him to bring out the best. And uh, you've ever

676
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: seen some some some some great plays. You know, from

677
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: both of us when we got the plays over your career,

678
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: is there one defense that stood out to you the most,

679
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: like a particular season, maybe a team you played that

680
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: ended up winning the super Bowl that year that we're like, god, damn,

681
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: that's the hell of a defense. Yeah. I hated playing

682
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings man. We played him twice a year and

683
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: all I remember hearing man our our the line can

684
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: call nobody our old linees, but particularly online. They would

685
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: hate playing these guys, Jared Allen, those two big Williams

686
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: brothers in the middle. You know they were resting. They

687
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: would wreck our defense every week. You know, I think, um,

688
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: you probably. I don't know if y'all remember this. You know,

689
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Daniels Alowski to got it on TV does a lot

690
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: of comment tab. I don't know if y'all remember he

691
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: ran out the back of the end zone from a safety. Yeah,

692
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: he was literally running from Jared out because I dude

693
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: was getting after him all game and he just lost

694
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: track of where he was because he said, out of here,

695
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I ain't mad at that. I ain't mad at that.

696
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh that I ain't taking that hit. Hall of As

697
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: as a receiver. Um, you know, you get teed off on.

698
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: People always get to hit you. I remember I used

699
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: to love the crack back, the peel back block. Do

700
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: you have one particular peel back or crack back where

701
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: you just suck somebody up? Man, I got one to

702
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: tell you. It was as a little fail. Man, I

703
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: ain't I got something that I really like. You know,

704
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: some people out you know, but I got one where

705
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: it was absolute fail. I'll tell you about It's actually

706
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: more fun. We're playing Chicago at Chicago and this is

707
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: my rookie year and I had to go in and

708
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: crack um Lance Bridge. I'm just trying to the He's

709
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: from us, so we played in high school at the

710
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: same time. He's from out my way, Okay, you know

711
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: what you know, he's you know, he's a man boy,

712
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: somebody you don't want to have to hit. Man. He

713
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: saw me, and he like, I'm coming down in motion,

714
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, my little slogan and my little short motion,

715
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm about to run round. I'm trying

716
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: not to look at him, but I'm peeking on the

717
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: inside of my eye and I was trying to die. Damn.

718
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I hope he don't see me. I hope you don't

719
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: see it. Right before the ball snap, he looked me

720
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: up and he looked right at me, and he's just

721
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: writing and wrapping the ball snap. He just ran right

722
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: out and he died nose to play. He just ran

723
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: around me, ran through me. Made too like I get

724
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: tossed out on Monday. So yeah, that's like I just

725
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: seen one, like an old highlight. Tried to crack back

726
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: on Ray Lewis and he blinds oide of Ray Lewis,

727
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: but still he was the one that still got sucked up. Yeah,

728
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: bloody Ray that's another one. You don't hit the dirt.

729
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: He just he too big out there. Big. What is

730
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: your action? You still you just said earlier, you're still

731
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: in Michigan. What's your connection to the Detroit community. How

732
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: much did that mean to you? In no way. I

733
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: started my foundation, man, Calvin Johnson jam Foundation just focus

734
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: on helping the youth, abuse families and just the individuals

735
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: become better members of the best versions of themselves and

736
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: better members of society. And so we've been getting scholarships

737
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: in Atlanta in Detroit um for the last decade. Now

738
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: say since the way and uh, whether then I'll do

739
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: my camps both here and there, and uh, we do

740
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: you know things with kids, whether go to the elementary schools.

741
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: You know, we read to the kids. Just try to

742
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: be available to talk to the kids, schools and teams

743
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: whenever I'm available, you know, because I mean, now I

744
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: might the point where like, okay, the best I mean,

745
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: the best thing I could do is gore and talk

746
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: to these kids and just give them as much knowledge

747
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: as I can. I hope they hang onto something. That's

748
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: what's up two thousand thirteen, seven and nine season, Uh,

749
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: two thousand and fourteen, eleven and five, seven and nine

750
00:33:56,040 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, and that's when you you

751
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: was that your final season? Yeah? What was it like

752
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: being one of the greatest receivers we've ever seen, uh,

753
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: in such a short span, but never really being on

754
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: a consistent winner like you You mentioned you guys felt

755
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: you had what it took to build a championship type team.

756
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: Never really got over that mountain. But what was it

757
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: like being so elite and then not really being able

758
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: to to shine or really get an opportunity to shine

759
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: in the playoffs? Yeah, it was unfortunate. You know, you

760
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: can't go, but you can't help but have the film

761
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: like we we obviously did in maximize the talent that

762
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: we had, you know, and all you could do, all

763
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: anybody could do, is point itself and like, hey there's something,

764
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: Well what could I have done better? You know, you

765
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: know I could have had you know, maybe two thousand

766
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: yards fifteen hundred yards one year, and maybe that would

767
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: have helped. You know, look back, maybe there's a ball

768
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: I dropped I could have should have caught, you know.

769
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just just a simple fact that

770
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: we did maxim as the talent and you got you

771
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: got me no offense, you got Stafford, you got uh

772
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: donal can suit on defense. You know, you got some

773
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: decent all around the team, you know, and cheap positions

774
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: that that you should be able to uh you know,

775
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: be able to have a winning team. We just didn't

776
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: have the winning culture though. You know, it's a lot

777
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: more than go go those into it, than just having

778
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: those key players so tied to a big contract. Um.

779
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it's rumors or not, but you know,

780
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: they won't let you out of the contract and you decide,

781
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: you decide to step away at thirty. Was there ever

782
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: a time you thought, okay, I took this year off,

783
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna go back, or I've tooken these two

784
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: years off, maybe I want to go back to that.

785
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: Ever cross your mind once you decided to step away

786
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: from the game, you know, I mean, I can't say

787
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: that I didn't think about, like, can I still do it?

788
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: But it wasn't a long vault, because I mean I

789
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: was going to tire after my eighth season. You know.

790
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: I was literally the only reason I didn't do it

791
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: because I went. I was at home in Georgia talking

792
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: to my dad on his couch and I was like, man, Dad,

793
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm done. You know, I can't do it. The more

794
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: you know the team, they've blown up the team. My

795
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: body is just aking. I don't have a range of

796
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: motion like I used to. I can't get out, I

797
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: can't dig like I used to. You know. I was like,

798
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: I just don't feel it. I just don't have the

799
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: love for it because it's always hurting, you know, I

800
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't happen. He looked at me,

801
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: He's like, you think you can do it one more time?

802
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: And I was just you know, I sat there and

803
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: sat palled for a second. Once I paused He's like,

804
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 1: all right, you can at least do it one more time.

805
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, right, all right. So I went

806
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: out for the last year. I knew my whole season

807
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be my last season. Was telling my guys,

808
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: uh during the during the season, like you know that

809
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: you know made Kobe resting rest in power man. He

810
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: had retired. He announced he was gonna retire, and I

811
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm gonna be right behind Kobe. Dog.

812
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm a pout of here, man, I'm done. And my

813
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: guys they didn't believe me. They were just like, you know,

814
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: shut up, man. But then after I was retired, a

815
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: couple of guys were back there like, dude, if you

816
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: weren't playing, you were there that serious im Like, I

817
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: ain't never lied to you. Yeah, was there ever a

818
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: time that you wanted to, you know, get out? You know,

819
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: with the NBA and the way players move around, the

820
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: way superstars move around with pretty much free realm and

821
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: free range, ever crossed your mind? I'll tell you that's

822
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: something that NFL guys admired about the NBA. Man, like John,

823
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: how do you get out of there and just go

824
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: here and there? Like Wow, that's awesome. You know, but yeah,

825
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to try to if I was to win

826
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else, maybe maybe trying to start you sticking out

827
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: a little more, but it just wasn't worth it than

828
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: me doing it there in Detroit. Yeah, I feel that.

829
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy to me, being such a football fan,

830
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: to see that Barry Sanders did a similar thing you did,

831
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, played his ass off for ten years and

832
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, decided to respectfully step away and never really

833
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: got over that hump. And then you know, you come

834
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: along as a receiver and do the exact same thing,

835
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: and we're never really able to get over a hump,

836
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: but stayed loyal, you know, stay loyal to the soil.

837
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: So we were talking earlier before. Can you imagine if

838
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, if Barry got to run behind Emma Smith's

839
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: line or Terrell Davis's line back then, or if or

840
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: or if you had Tom Brady, or if you had

841
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, Aaron Rock, you know what if Peyton Manning?

842
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: You know what happens, you know, I mean, as someone

843
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: who didn't play the game, we like to fantasize to think,

844
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: like what if they had you as a target. It

845
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: would be incredible, you know, what's funny, man? Whenever we

846
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: play a Green Bay, you know Aaron Rodgers when whenever

847
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: he's over on our sidline, I should be standing there.

848
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: He'll be over. He was like, may man, you need

849
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: to come on over here. I was like, man, I

850
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: wish you could, dude, real you and Aaron Rodgers together,

851
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: holy ship. When you retired, obviously before your contract ended,

852
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: did you have to pay any of the money back?

853
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: You know, I know football is a lot different with

854
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: their money than basketball is. Yeah. I mean, that's that's

855
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the reason for the risk between you know,

856
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: the team and you know they maybe pay some money back.

857
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean if you went. The reason

858
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't have any involvement with him, it's because of that.

859
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: You know, like you can't you know, maybe pay money

860
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: back and then still want me to come around. It

861
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: doesn't work like that, right, right? Right? Right? Wait, so

862
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: they wanted you to pay and then still kind of

863
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: being an ambassador for the team. Yeah, yeah, don't work. Yeah,

864
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: you don't give my services after that, after all the

865
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: time I put in you just no more so. Nine

866
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: seasons over eleven thousand, six yards, three receiving touchdowns, you

867
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: rank on the all time list. When you sit back

868
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: and get a chance to just look at your career,

869
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? They're happened so fast, you know.

870
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: I keep going back to second those days up. Man.

871
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: That's all I try to do is just live in

872
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: the moment and stack the days up. I think maybe

873
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: you guys from the test to it, you know, you

874
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: just try to live in the moment. Tom flies, you know,

875
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: and next thing you look back and like, oha, I know,

876
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: I got a kid that's two years old. I got

877
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: a six year old boy that's just started a school.

878
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like damn. So I just try

879
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: to you know, continuously, ain't. It Ain't perfect, and I try,

880
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: and I have my days so I'm off, but I

881
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: try still just be the best version of myself and

882
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: perfect any task that I'm you know, focused on that

883
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm that I'm doing at the at the moment, you know,

884
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, that's that's just the principle of

885
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: how I've been living post career. You did a little

886
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: bit on Dancing with the Stars. Man, talk to us

887
00:39:52,920 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: about that. Man, Happy Happy Now tall y'all too tall? Man?

888
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: The girls three interest shorter than we are what you mean,

889
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: That's that's the big difference, bro, That's a big six

890
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: five totally differ. Yeah, but how was that the gaming

891
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: the call? I denied him like two or three times,

892
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: and my wife said, you know this is at the time,

893
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: like everybody was using yolo, you know, and she was

894
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: like she was just that's like they keep on calling

895
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: me about the day show. When what do do you think

896
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: She's like yolo? You know. I like spending time with Cali,

897
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: you know, you know, so end up doing I had

898
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: a great partner um. Even during that show, man, I

899
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: almost stopped doing the show because my ankles were swelling

900
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: up so bad. I couldn't. I really couldn't move and

901
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: do the things I was supposed to do. I couldn't.

902
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: I just couldn't move, I could my range emotional was

903
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: just tied down. So one of my homies season, the

904
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: Film Industry out there played me at Georgia tech O

905
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Sahana Tongo. Uh. You know, we was just kicking it

906
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, man, like I'm got to

907
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: quit the show because you know, I can't move out

908
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: here like I need you to do out here looking

909
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: like a fool on live TV. You know, I'm I'm like,

910
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: I'll just just check me out, you know whatever, and

911
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: uh he was like, hold on, man, I got something

912
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: for you. He brought me a topical. You know. It's

913
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: my real really my first experience really using topicals for me.

914
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: It's just flower flower concentris maybe, you know. And I

915
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: put up the topic for my ankle and over there

916
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: the course of the next couple of weeks, you know,

917
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like my swelling stand down, it's

918
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: not my ankles aren't blowing it up anymore. I'm like,

919
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 1: it might be something to this. From that point on,

920
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: I was already a believer, but really you wanted to

921
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: get behind the science of cannabis and learn more. At

922
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: that point then he was in County, so you know,

923
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: you can burn freely, just burned it down, you know.

924
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on something too that you kind

925
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: of reminded. My brother played eight years in the CFL

926
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: receiver nearly died as I'm spleen, almost ruptured, was retired

927
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: after eight or nine years. But I remember his first

928
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: couple of years walking around like an old ass man,

929
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: and he was like, twenty nine, how long did it

930
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: take for your body to kind of is it? Is

931
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: it still daily? Does it come and go? I mean

932
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: I played fifteen and I wake up, thank thank the Lord,

933
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: wake up every morning. Fine, Like no aches, no pains.

934
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: You played a sport obviously, but with more contact. But

935
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: you got hit a lot almost every single play. If

936
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: he wasn't blocking, I mean, if he wasn't catching, he

937
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: was blocking at least. How is your body now and

938
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: how long did it take for it to feel some

939
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: of courts sort of normalcy? Yeah, he comes to goals,

940
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: like you said, You know, it depends on what I'm doing.

941
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: If I'm just ride my bike, you know, I'll ride

942
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: my bike and I'll ride like fifteen miles or something,

943
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: I get back home. I had swelling in my ankle,

944
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: so I got you ank out my topical on row

945
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: the slide of the slide of right on my ankles. Um.

946
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: If I'm doing my training like my camps, man, you

947
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: know I tried to, you know, in my camps, I

948
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: demonstrate the drills I wanted to do. You know, next

949
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: day I'm like at the bed dragging my feet like

950
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: I just played the whole game the next day, So

951
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a chance on the level activity

952
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: I do, but it doesn't take much to get my

953
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: get me, get the body all jammed up, not at all.

954
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: See that's the thing that like that the normal fan

955
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: doesn't understand about the stuff we put our bodies, in

956
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: particular football players. It's just like you have a life

957
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: to live after and it's not. It's not what you think.

958
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: No matter how much money you may think someone got,

959
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: Like you're living with daily, real life, daily pain. Not

960
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: to mention you know, the the CTE and and the concussions.

961
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: You know you spoke on that before something that you

962
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: know it's scary and there's so much research on it

963
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: now is the reason why I won't let my kids

964
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: play tackle till they get to high school. What are

965
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: your thoughts on all that? In particular CTV, Because you

966
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: know you've had a few concussions in your time speaking

967
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: about c T I learned more and more about it. Uh.

968
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not to say every day, but like

969
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: on a monthly basis, because we're associated with this company

970
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: and company out of Orlando, Florida called Nextry. I don't

971
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: know if you've heard of them. Basically they got their

972
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: name Nextry from neural strength. Basically, if you can imagine

973
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: how you can build muscles. You know, you can rebuild

974
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: a brain brain brain muscles as well. So it's called

975
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: neural plasticity, and it's just you know, it's just literally

976
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: training your muscles and in your brain you literally could

977
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: re reattached connections and build your brain up. So, UM,

978
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: I employ you guys looking to it, please, because I

979
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: think there's there's a lot to it. Um, we're tied

980
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: in with those guys, and and they're from those guys.

981
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: We got a connection with Harvard with what we're doing

982
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: with cannabis. But going back to c TE, you know,

983
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: just getting behind the research, Um, just learning more about

984
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, trying to create solutions. You know, that's honestly

985
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: what my companies are trying to do. Four players, you know,

986
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: just create solutions in that space for guys, whether it's

987
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, football, basketball, you know, veterans, you know, anybody

988
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: that that that suffers from any kind of head trauma.

989
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: But along with that, you know, it's just kind of

990
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: just educating people about the psychology, mental health, emotional intelligence,

991
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: all those things go together. I think that all those

992
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: things all together kind of like that like in cannabis,

993
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: you're talking about the entourage effect, and you get all

994
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: those things together, it's all better. Yes, you and your

995
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: wife stepped into the cannabis space and in two thousand nineteen,

996
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: can you tell us about what what you're doing in

997
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: the space right now? Yeah? I love too. Man. Um.

998
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: We started here, we spend the journey. Uh, we're about

999
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: two and a half years and now. We started with

1000
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: some licensure issues. At the very beginning, we got denied.

1001
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: They literally denied us because I had some traffic citations.

1002
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: I was like, really, the denying people over attractive citations

1003
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: and we're trying to find out that wasn't none of

1004
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: the bias and uh and and come to find I'm

1005
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: not gonna say it's because of us, but that board

1006
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: that was making those decisions got removed and we got approved.

1007
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: About thirty days later, I got licensed and from that

1008
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: point on, we got license. We built out our first

1009
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: growth twelve thousand square feet UM that's been operating for

1010
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: about a year now and uh, we're we got processing

1011
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: running that's been operating, uh just this year. And we're

1012
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: in the process of getting our first two retails built

1013
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: out right now, so another month or two relief will

1014
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: be vertical fully vertical and along with the cannabis side.

1015
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: You know that I mentioned Harvard, we got the opportunity

1016
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: to do some further uh, some further research and and

1017
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: bring up some awareness there as well. So we got

1018
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: a lot of things going for us right now. UM

1019
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: A lot was saying really busy right now, it's just fun.

1020
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we just want

1021
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: to bring um, bringing a level of professionalism to this

1022
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: industry so people can respect it and educate people. UM.

1023
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: On the medicine, do you have your own brand or

1024
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 1: you white labeling? How do you get your flower out there? Yeah,

1025
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: we have our own brand. Primitive is our name. Why

1026
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: do we call primitive discuss the original medicine. You know,

1027
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: it's spelling primitive the regular way without the um, without

1028
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: the e of the n, so so printive primitive cannabis, cannabis.

1029
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, elevating wellness is our thing. Primative group. We

1030
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: probably look it up Primitive group dot com. That's what

1031
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: we have to splash place, slash page, you know, just

1032
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: a little especially, just a little description of what we

1033
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: got coming. And you have to we we definitely, um,

1034
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: you guys do edibles, tinctures, the whole nine. You guys

1035
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: on just on the flyer side were capable doing all

1036
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: its tractions. Um, we capable doing everything. Okay, that's what

1037
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about what you're doing

1038
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: because I'm working on some stuff too, So I'll get

1039
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: your number after that. Happy to talk about it. Yet,

1040
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: do you still use we? We we just kind of

1041
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: just discussed it. It It comes and goes. Do you still

1042
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: use cannabis for pain management now? Or is it just

1043
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: more on a relaxed focused tip? Both both? You know,

1044
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: it depends what I'm doing. Um, I mean, like I say,

1045
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: if I want to be relaxed, if I want to,

1046
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, go if I got a busy day and

1047
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: I want to kind of chill, you know, before I

1048
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: get gone, before I go to sleep, you know, I

1049
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna have a great sleep and wake up,

1050
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: you know, eight hours later, refreshed to go about my day,

1051
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: ready to go. You know, it just depends, you know,

1052
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: but I'm usually every day. Yeah, I probably get it

1053
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: in at least once a day. Yeah, what's up? Welcome?

1054
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. Uh two thousand twenty one. Uh, you'll be

1055
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: a Pro Football Hall of Fame nominee should be what

1056
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: should be an industrial What do you what are your

1057
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: thoughts coming from the kid they used to call butterfingers

1058
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: um to next year us to be being uh NFL

1059
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I think it's just, you know, a

1060
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 1: story of persistence. Man. You know, you might get knocked down.

1061
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: You know, people might tell you might you're not just

1062
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: and that you know you might not win here there.

1063
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: But it's just I mean, in order for us to

1064
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: be where we're at, there's a lot of failures that happen,

1065
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of getting enough that happened too,

1066
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, So you know, it's just a matter of

1067
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: just how many times you're willing to get back up.

1068
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, if you keep on getting up, you'll find success.

1069
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? I mean, you guys have much

1070
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: bigger crowds than than basketball does. And you saw the

1071
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 1: NBA played in the bubble. What would be your thoughts

1072
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: were playing with barely any fans or no fans in

1073
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: a big old football stadium. It's tough, man. You get

1074
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: so much energy from the crowd. You get energy from

1075
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: the crowd. Man. It's it's just like they'd be like practice,

1076
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be like training camp. Like that one scrimmage,

1077
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: one or two scrimmages you have in praying to training camp.

1078
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: But the first game had to feel like that because

1079
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: guys had to get used into it. It probably wasn't

1080
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: too Somebody got hit in the mouth for real, and

1081
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, this is real, right we focused. I

1082
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: thought they were supposed to blow the else before you

1083
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: hit me. Hold up straight up. Being removed from the game.

1084
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Now for nearly five years, do you still follow the game?

1085
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: Watch it? Follow any teams or players? More so now

1086
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: the last two years. The first couple of years, you know,

1087
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: I just so you know, just not interesting act and

1088
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: just what the interest level wasn't there. But now the

1089
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: last couple of years, you know, we met my brother

1090
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: in law or just two friends. You know, we always

1091
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, we got a reason to watch. You know,

1092
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: we've got somebody to pay attention to. Going around meeting

1093
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 1: different guys around the league. After I retired and talking

1094
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: to different teams, you know, I've met some guys. I'm like, okay,

1095
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: let me pay attention to um Mamari Cooper. He seems

1096
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: like he's a good kid. You know, he's a good egg.

1097
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: Let me let me pay attention to you know, I

1098
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: talk to Jarvis. Let me to see what they're doing

1099
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: up there in Cleveland, you know, I just like to,

1100
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: you know, see what those guys are doing that I've

1101
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: met that I've had a good core with. Do you

1102
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: mentor any of the younger guys or current guys in

1103
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: the NFL not hand on hand, I've done some things

1104
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: with some of the guys. You know, they as they

1105
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: come in, their agents would have me come out and

1106
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: talk to them, or coaches would have me come to

1107
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: teams and just in time with the receiving group, she

1108
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: was giving them to bits. I love doing that kind

1109
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: of stuff, Like I just want to you know, everything

1110
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: I got, you know, I want to pour it back in.

1111
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: I might not know everything, but everything I got I'm

1112
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: willing to do. I'm willing to give you. You got

1113
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: to hold on to it, you know what. Goddamn enough

1114
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: with the numbers you put up, right for real? Are

1115
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: you an NBA fan? Do you do you follow teams players? Yes, sir, Yes, sir, sir.

1116
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: I can't lie. I do watch more so tours when

1117
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: it gets closer to the playoffs, but it's a long

1118
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: ast season. We understand that we don't watch half heard

1119
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: half the ship either, man. Can y'all come straight from

1120
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: home and go? Who like, Oh, y'all gotta be like

1121
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I know now you probably got one when y'all was

1122
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: first started, y'all rookies and stuff like that. Y'all just like, oh, yeah,

1123
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: couch had a nice little burger or something. Let me

1124
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: go and go. It depends on the competition. I still

1125
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: can do that now. It just depends on one playing. See,

1126
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like you like my post career. I retired to seventeen,

1127
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and I haven't had I don't want to play basketball

1128
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: no more. Like I coached my kids and I'll work

1129
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: my kids out, but I have no urge to run

1130
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: up and down the motherfucking court no more. Like it's

1131
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: just naughty. But I can still talk about it, analyze

1132
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: it on ESPN, but I just have no urge personally

1133
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: to play it anymore. I love the who I love

1134
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: to running down to court, but I mean them gas,

1135
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: But I love it, man. No one one thing y'all

1136
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: you mentioned like before the games, you would get in like,

1137
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I did it one time, you know,

1138
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: and uh I was so also parano it because I

1139
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: had a good game, you know, And I was like, man,

1140
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess it up. You know, they

1141
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: ain't gonna do it. I ain't gonna do it no more.

1142
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: I never did it since then, but I had it.

1143
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: So you smoke before a game and you had you

1144
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: spoke before a game and had a good game. Yes,

1145
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: it's one of those. So it's this situation. I was

1146
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: on the way to a game and I was just like,

1147
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: it's just one of those games, like like man, I

1148
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: ain't got no those lose Like I'm hurt, Like I

1149
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't want to play today. You know.

1150
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: I was just like, don't forget it, like light it up.

1151
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: But I had a good game, you know. I'm just like,

1152
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,439
Speaker 1: really shoot the edge off of everything. I feel like pain.

1153
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: And I was able to just you know, function, and

1154
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: I was just I was so fair and I was like, man,

1155
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: it was good while I lasted. I don't know if

1156
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess with that again. He that

1157
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: should have been he that should have been a rich

1158
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: or whatever that should have been an that should have

1159
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: been a sign right there, like every day on the

1160
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: way to state. That's what I mean. There's a regret.

1161
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that. But the only reason, the only other reason

1162
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: why I didn't do it, just because like, man, if

1163
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: you burn like I run all day, I gotta run, like,

1164
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: you know, three miles a game, you know. So I'm

1165
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: just I'm just I need my win. I need my

1166
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: win to be bro. And actually I was like mixtically,

1167
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: I was just like, man, it's messing my lungs. You know,

1168
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: if I'm out here renting, you were overthinking it. Because

1169
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: that was my game. I ran. I ran. So that's

1170
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: why it's funny. Because I would train. I would train

1171
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: that much harder in the summer, knowing how much weed

1172
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: I smoke, no bullshit, Like I really went out of

1173
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: my wage because I love to run too. So I

1174
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: would run and do sprints in the preseason because I

1175
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: know my job was almost to be like a track

1176
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: athlete out there on the basketball court. So I would

1177
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: really prepare to the summer, what extra ship, knowing because

1178
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: I probably got about three bunts coming to season ahead

1179
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: of me. I need to get ready. So who's your

1180
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: NBA team or who or some players you follow uh

1181
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: NBA team right now? You know? I was, I like

1182
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: I was following the Raptors for a little bit just

1183
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: because I like uh, well I can't pronounced the man

1184
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: names like him, um uh Pascal Sam Pascal. Yeah, I

1185
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: like him. I met at him, been around him a

1186
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I just like I said, the

1187
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: guys I meet, I followed those those guys I'm a

1188
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 1: big fan of. I was a big fan of Kawaii,

1189
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, the Dame of him, since he was coming

1190
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: out of college. You know, I've been I've been following

1191
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: him a little bit literally, just because I just randomly

1192
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: seen him one time, you know, seeing him playing, you know,

1193
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: random another random thing, you know, player. I've been following

1194
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: this my man Gordon when I went to Indiana, you know,

1195
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: just another situation, just randomly seeing him play. You know.

1196
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: I mean, I see you guys all the time, but

1197
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: you know, just just the guys that I just picked

1198
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: up on in college. You know, I watched college games,

1199
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: probably to watch NBA, and some of those guys I

1200
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: liked that. I'll see the effort in the determination. I'll

1201
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: follow those guys through. So I get to see a

1202
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the leagues, especially around playoff times.

1203
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: So that's when I see that, That's when I approved

1204
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: of the competition. Though them right now, You're right, A

1205
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: long season, I feel, especially not being in it no more.

1206
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 1: I can see like there's like stretches during the season

1207
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: where the beginning of the season is fun, Christmas is competitive,

1208
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: and then January February is bullshit, and then he gets

1209
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: picking back up after all star breaking March going into

1210
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But I mean, eighty two games is a

1211
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: lot of games to play. In the half they play,

1212
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: they played hard to getting the art Star game. Then

1213
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: once the Arstar Game town, they chill. Then when the

1214
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: team might not get in the playoffs, they push again.

1215
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: That's how I go. That's that's exactly how alright we're

1216
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: coming towards the end. Top five artists in your opinion,

1217
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: top five artists occurrent or just like just whoever whoever

1218
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: you like, it's your top five list. I'm talking to

1219
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: five lists. I started. I started listening to uh to Outcast.

1220
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: So big Boy and and and m Andre Andre used

1221
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: to come. They come kick it at Tech Georgia Tech.

1222
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: You know, so I got to see in person. That

1223
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: was awesome. Um, I getting to them. I listened to

1224
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: some t I and Jeez before every game he saw

1225
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: Atlanta Trapp U. Yeah, it's really all Atlanta almost. You know,

1226
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta got some good ass music. I don't even man

1227
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: though I know, I like like like who I know,

1228
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: like who. There's a lot of West Coast rappers that

1229
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: I know, but I don't know if they get into

1230
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: my top because it's all in them Jesus three t

1231
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: u Andre Oh, i'd say outcasts in general. Um but Ja,

1232
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: I love I love Ja Coole um Man when person,

1233
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: who do you know? J just from like I said,

1234
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: I Alred said j Eazy um Oh, what's the name

1235
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar? Yeah? Yeah, conscious trappers but that was six

1236
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: five or six. That's a nice list. I like how

1237
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: you're Atlanta loyal because I'm West Coast loyal with my

1238
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: list too, so I feel it. But when I'm inst

1239
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: when I when I'm West Coast is like I forget

1240
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 1: all about my Atlanta roots and I'm trying to listen

1241
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: to a Coast rappers. Just it's just right, it's just right.

1242
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: L A do that, l A. Make you forget you married,

1243
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: make you forget your roots, thank you for get everything

1244
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: to get you living another state? You like you're living

1245
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: here while you're here, Give me, give me your top

1246
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: three songs that you trained to, Top three songs that

1247
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: I trained to. Motivation t I the greatest t I

1248
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you when it's not TU probably

1249
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: Doug motivation, motivation. That's three. That's that's Atlanta anthems. Though

1250
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: they played them in the club, that's anthems. Uh. I

1251
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even go to the club. I

1252
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: can't go to the club, not at all, not at all.

1253
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: The days long gone, I mean outside of your jersey

1254
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: being in Uh, definitely retired to match one quarterback. You

1255
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: wish you would have got a chance to play with

1256
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: and Roger. That was quicklif a year man. I got

1257
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: to see him in person, like to see him through

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Speaker 1: the damish you know, first half. I got to see

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Speaker 1: him take over from Brett Farrest. I was like shore En.

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Speaker 1: So before I ask you this question, when we asked

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Speaker 1: our guests this question, that their answer, you have to

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Speaker 1: help us with the answer. Your answer. You have to yes.

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Speaker 1: So if you know the person you're gonna you have

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Speaker 1: to help us with answer your answering. All right, who

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Speaker 1: would you like to see on our show? Who I

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Speaker 1: like to see on your show? Damn? That's yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like that Obama. Obama, Obama goode yea. If I try

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Speaker 1: to make it happen, I appreciate. Man, take a boat

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Speaker 1: and tell them we need to pull up. You have

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Speaker 1: five seats at your dinner table, dead or alive. Who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be at your dinner table day? Man? Jeez? All right,

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Speaker 1: Denzel regularly, Michael Jackson, right, a little um, who's gonna

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Speaker 1: sit right here? Obama? I love Obama mana awesome. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna say Michelle because she was just with Obama.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sheet. I got to more damn here.

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Speaker 1: I want. I want Kobe. I love Kobe man. I

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Speaker 1: love Kobe. You never get a chance to meet Koke.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's my one regret. Bro I never made Kobe.

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Speaker 1: And I was snowboarded when I heard about everything that happened. Man,

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Speaker 1: I was so it was just me and my wife

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Speaker 1: was just staying. Man. You can see everybody on on

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Speaker 1: on the on the on the lift. Everybody just like

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Speaker 1: and the energy just sad, was like terrible. Love kogl Man,

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Speaker 1: love everything he was about. You know, didn't get to

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Speaker 1: meet the man. But everybody that I know that that

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Speaker 1: has met him, I'm sure you guys attested and say

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Speaker 1: the same thing. One of the most hard work and

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Speaker 1: individuals that have his greatness manifest the way he did.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was awesome to see. Don't even one person.

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Speaker 1: Let me get a woman at my table. Let me

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Speaker 1: get a let me get a woman at my table.

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Speaker 1: Let me get here. Are ting. I want to hear

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Speaker 1: some stories. It's a real stories. All right. Well that's

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Speaker 1: a rap. C J. Appreciate your time, man, Good luck

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Speaker 1: with everything. Great catching up with you. That's awesome. You

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Speaker 1: can catch this episode All the Smoke on Showtime Basketball

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Speaker 1: YouTube and the I Heart Family, Black Effects, everything else everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Let's see you all next time. This is all a Smoke,

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Speaker 1: a production of The Black Effect and Our Heart Radio

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