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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into the All Ball Podcast. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb As here we are well, we'll talk with

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Speaker 1: Jeff Goods from ESPN, the committee that met and the

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Speaker 1: ideas from reforms for college basketball. He'll join us. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the landscape of college basketball, whether or not

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Speaker 1: in college hoop is under siege. It's really funny to

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Speaker 1: me or interesting to me that I do think there's

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Speaker 1: there's a little of ESPN to it. There's a little.

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Speaker 1: When I was at ESPN, there was a guy named

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Speaker 1: Barry Blind, who I find to be fascinating, just a

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Speaker 1: fascinating guy. So here's a Verry Blend does for a living.

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Speaker 1: He does research as to what people like when people

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Speaker 1: who don't like the challenges of the industry. I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget this that you look. I've worked out at three

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Speaker 1: different companies, Fox, CBS, ESPN, UM. At CBS there was

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Speaker 1: almost no a CBS radio, no meetings. Ever, occasionally you

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Speaker 1: get called in and I would meet with my one

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Speaker 1: of my bosses or have lunch with another one of

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Speaker 1: my bosses. That that's it. CBS TV UM, there was

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Speaker 1: there's a seminar before the n c A tournament I

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Speaker 1: know they have seminar before the NFL season. I can

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Speaker 1: call NFL games for them, but there were no like

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Speaker 1: group meetings or hey, here's what we're gonna do, here's

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Speaker 1: our thoughts, here's our occasional webinar. At ESPN, we would, uh,

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Speaker 1: I think like once a year you'd have a talent meeting.

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Speaker 1: Occasionally you would have other meetings for just radio. For

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Speaker 1: there's also a seminar for all the different sports. But

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Speaker 1: I remember this guy Nam Barry Blind. He said, you know,

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Speaker 1: the potential downfall of ESPN's not a full frontal attack.

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Speaker 1: It's not that was the thought at the time. It

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be Fox UH sports once before FS one launched,

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Speaker 1: but it would be you know, death by a thousand

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Speaker 1: little cuts. Right. You have NBCSN, Fox Sports Network, other things.

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Speaker 1: You've got you know, NFL Network, they m morning shows,

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Speaker 1: good have friends on that, friends that produced that. And

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Speaker 1: then you have you know radio. You have Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: which I've of our lineup is far superior to ESPN

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Speaker 1: Radio now, but that's possibly because I worked there, but

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Speaker 1: possibly because I think it's right. You have serious and

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Speaker 1: their lineup. You have other networks and their lineups and

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Speaker 1: then of course digitally you have all the different challenges.

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Speaker 1: And just the fact that when I grew up, well,

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Speaker 1: I grew up a clip on Sports Center morning, I

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Speaker 1: watched the highlights. I'd also, they'll have my newspaper with

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Speaker 1: me and my my dad and I we look at

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Speaker 1: box scores and we'd watch highlights. Right, That's what you did.

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Speaker 1: Now kids are evolving. Some of them get up and

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Speaker 1: they're on their phone and they watched little seconds of

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Speaker 1: on one of the apps, or they face time their buddy,

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Speaker 1: or they do something else anyway. Others thing called Marco

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Speaker 1: Polo obviously them the Marco Polo app. The idea was

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Speaker 1: that it would be death by a thousand little cuts.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be one thing that kills you. Well, the

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Speaker 1: same thing could be true for college basketball. It's funny

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Speaker 1: or interesting that so many of us who love ball.

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Speaker 1: Which you love about the playoffs, is you when you

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Speaker 1: watch the NBA playoffs, you're like, damn, these dudes are

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Speaker 1: Which the juxtaposition of regular season versus postseason basketball, you

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Speaker 1: can tell that there are just too many games and

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Speaker 1: too many times which you go, well, sometimes there are

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Speaker 1: what I call Cologne games where you just play harder.

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Speaker 1: They're bigger, they're more meaningful. You know, in the past

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Speaker 1: years past, or this year Warriors versus the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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Speaker 1: Games that matter more. You watch, you watch the pros

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Speaker 1: when it means something to them, and you realize how

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Speaker 1: don't mean anything to them. Those of us who love ball,

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Speaker 1: we love college basketball because almost every game, almost every possession,

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Speaker 1: kids play more like they care. They play harder. The

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Speaker 1: rivalries are more intense, the outs can be more intense.

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Speaker 1: The games mean more, even the regular season ones that

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Speaker 1: And so even though the level of competitiveness is higher,

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Speaker 1: I would I would conclude the college basketball is under attack.

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Speaker 1: We like it so much that we couldn't get enough

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Speaker 1: committee which put forth these recommendations, I would I would

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Speaker 1: conclude that there's a group of people that think players

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Speaker 1: they don't actually know what that means, but that'll take

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Speaker 1: end up going to. There's the there's the G league idea,

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Speaker 1: so I do think that the committee took a unique look.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I will say as far as the one

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Speaker 1: basketball in no particular order, but let's do just chronologically.

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Speaker 1: There's a value simply to being admitted to college. Then

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Speaker 1: not happening. It's not changing. Anyone who understands and looks

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Speaker 1: different calculus and it's not because of anyone player. But

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Speaker 1: guys are going to play in the NBA Al Raiser,

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Speaker 1: how many guys are gonna be one and done? I'll

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Speaker 1: raise their hand and here's the real math. There's four

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Speaker 1: I could have done this, uh two hours in a lunch.

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Speaker 1: We could have come up with the same exact things

430
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: that they came up with, which were pretty broad. Um,

431
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, and they start with the one and done,

432
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,719
Speaker 1: which come on, I mean you have no control over

433
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 1: that I liked and I think it should have been

434
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: done years ago. That all investigations are gonna be done externally.

435
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a joke that it hasn't been that

436
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 1: way for years anyway. That's the one that was a

437
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: gimme to me. But a lot of these other ones stuck.

438
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: They're not going to change anything. They're not gonna all

439
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: this sudden clean up college basketball because all of a sudden,

440
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: you're you're able to have agents, advisors or even if

441
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: the one and done changes. Frankly, it's gonna hurt college

442
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: basketball because we're not going to see the top ten

443
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: players every year. They're gonna go straight to the league.

444
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: I think you'll end up having, like the first couple

445
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: of years at least, you'll have a rush of everybody

446
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 1: declaring everybody go into the league. You know, when I

447
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: say everybody, you know, top thirty, top forty, you know,

448
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: a huge number of those kids going and we'll never

449
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: some of them will never hear from again, and so

450
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: it's really hard to have these tales of it. You know,

451
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: you'll have I think you have a substantial number of

452
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: players going if that happens, and there'll be guys that

453
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: don't get drafted, they'll be guys that go to the

454
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: G League. There'll be some guys that play overseas and

455
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: it will take three or four years before we start

456
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: to realize that, hey, it's not really that good idea

457
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: to do this. Um, all right, if you were to

458
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: create a perfect system, what would it be? Oh boy?

459
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean listen again, I think summer hoops is one

460
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: that's that's hard to I think you've got to start there.

461
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: You've got to start at the lowest level. Uh, and

462
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,880
Speaker 1: try to figure that out. And again, I don't think

463
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: there's gonna be any perfect solution here. No matter what.

464
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have coaches still trying to cheat, circumvent the rules.

465
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna have agents and runners still trying to get

466
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Speaker 1: the players, even if the one and done goes into effect. Yeah,

467
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: the top ten, I say, I say it's probably closer

468
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 1: to ten or twenty that that go out of high school.

469
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: Those top ten or twenty aren't gonna be in college,

470
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 1: so they'll go harder after them, But they're still gonna

471
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: go after the next that are in college or all

472
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: the guys who blow up in college. Allah Trey Young

473
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: who weren't able to go out of high school. Um,

474
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: you know, the big one is paying players to me

475
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: that that I was very disappointed that the Commission had

476
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,719
Speaker 1: seven months to look at all this and they couldn't

477
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: come up with anything, any sort of plan to try

478
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to compensate them. Whether it's

479
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: and I'm somewhere in between. I'm not with Billis and

480
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: saying pay them whatever they want their market value, if

481
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: they can get a million, give Marvin Bagley a million.

482
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm with most of the coaches

483
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: who were saying, no, no, we shouldn't pay him a dime.

484
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: What they're getting right now with a stipend and a

485
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: scholarship is enough. I think there's some in between here,

486
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: and that's what I would have liked to see this

487
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: group of twelve intelligent in viduals led by Conna Lisa

488
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 1: Rice come up with some plan in place in which

489
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: they could figure out a way to compensate them. Maybe

490
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: they could do some mats, Maybe they could get a

491
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: percentage of their jerseys when they leave school or if

492
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Speaker 1: they graduate. I don't know what it is, but but

493
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: I can't believe they didn't come up with something. I

494
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: actually like that the idea after you after you graduate,

495
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: Although most of the benefits after you graduate, you can

496
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: end up getting anyway. I don't but the selling your jerseys,

497
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: I guess you could have a pool of things, Um, well,

498
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: kids who don't play, kids who don't make it to

499
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: the NBA, and I was making million a year and

500
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: maybe fizzle out or there overseas struggling, but they did

501
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: really well in college. That could help those guys. Yeah,

502
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: But isn't the reward the job that you get and

503
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: the name that you have where you're a coach or

504
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: whether you're in sales. I mean, look, I'll tell you

505
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 1: everything I've gotten is because you know the doors were

506
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: open because I played in college, right, I mean that

507
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: you took advantage of those. Yeah, but that's on you.

508
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: Not everybody can, Yes, they can, absolutely, Well, what if

509
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: you get an injury. What if you get a season

510
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: and an injury and you're you're unable to play overseas

511
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: after two years you blow out your knees. Then you

512
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: get a college degree and then and then you go

513
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: and work like the rest of the world. And I know,

514
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: but I'm with the fact that you brought in a

515
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: lot of money for and I'm not saying everybody should

516
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: get it, but these guys who do bring in a

517
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: lot of money for the school, Give them a percentage,

518
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: let them have it when they graduate. That entices him

519
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: to graduate. Also, who are the kids that bring in

520
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot of money for the school that that stay

521
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: for four years and then somehow don't have anything waiting

522
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: for them when they're done, Like these are imaginary people

523
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: that don't actually exist. Well, but again, where about minority?

524
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: A small number of people anyway? Right now that we're

525
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: dealing with the woman done? Right, I understand, Well, I

526
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: don't think we're dealing with a small number with the

527
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: one and done. That's where I would actually disagree. I

528
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: talked about this before you join me, which is we

529
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: look at the one and done in the well, how

530
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: many kids declared? You had this the status? Yes, a

531
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: couple of days ago on Twitter? Yeah, it was like

532
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: two D and it was it was a ton. But

533
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: but I looked at it last year for instance, Okay,

534
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and there were a ton that declared last year as well,

535
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: only I think sixty four kept their name in and

536
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: I actually looked at all of them, so they were

537
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: there one college players who declared This year, there were

538
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty seven who declared a year ago, sixty

539
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: four stayed in. So at the end of the day,

540
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have eighty guys stay in this year,

541
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: and all those eighty forty forty will be draft at

542
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: half of them, so there's forty left. Twenty of them

543
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: never thought they were going to be drafted anyway. They

544
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: were like d two ju Goes, guys we had never

545
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: heard of. So let's forget about those twenties twenty other

546
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: kids you're looking at that may have made a mistake,

547
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: may have or they may have said, you know what,

548
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: I'm done with college. I'm done. I understand that. But

549
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: you're looking at this in too far, too linear fashion.

550
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: For three kids that the clais, there's two others that

551
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: think my coach screwed me. I gotta go to a

552
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: bigger school, I gotta go to different school. And that's

553
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: what's led the transferring is a huge problem. There's gonna

554
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: be over a thousand transfers this year. No, there's not

555
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: gonna be a thousand transfers this year. They're not going

556
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: to be a thousand, gonna be the same number it's

557
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 1: been for the last few years. It's actually leveled off

558
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: pretty like seven fifty eight hundred. It is not going

559
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: to keep going up like people think it's not do it.

560
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: It wasn't sure two years ago. It was it was

561
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: two years ago. I track it better than anybody, because

562
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: I know you do. Some of these other places track it,

563
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: and then they don't take the kids back off when

564
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: they end up going back to school or if they

565
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: play you know, or if they don't play basketball anymore.

566
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: I reach out to every every kid of every school

567
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: or every coach that that's at that school and find

568
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: out where the kid ended up. And a lot of

569
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: times he ends up going back to school when there's

570
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: nothing else out there for I'll do a gentleman's bet

571
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: with you that if you ky late grad transfers and

572
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: regular transfers, they'll be over nine this year. I will

573
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: do more than a gentleman's bed. I will bet a

574
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: steak dinner with the honest steak dinner. You picked the spot,

575
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I'll pick the spot. Whoever wins, not the number fair. Okay,

576
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I got I got three quick ones for you. Um

577
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: you also cover the NBA the NBA Draft. Give me

578
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: who is I was told? I was always told as Bagley, Bagley, Bagley,

579
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: bag the bag the Bagley and since the season ends,

580
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, since um, since we've seen eight in play

581
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: and done continues lighted up in Spain, most people in

582
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: their mocks have Bagley going third. Is it no longer

583
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: Bagley Bagley, Bagley? And now it's Eton and don chitch,

584
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: what are you hearing? It's eating, it's eating. According to

585
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: most NBA guys, I'll talk to you that not only

586
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: do they think he's obviously the the guy, but they're

587
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: scared to miss on him if you don't take Eighten

588
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: and everything up in his head really kind of clicks.

589
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: He's obviously the most skilled, he's seven one. The way

590
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: he runs the court, it's not as if listen, Bagley's terrific.

591
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: He plays hard. Defensively, he was a mess. But but

592
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: you're talking about Eton, who's more skilled at seven one

593
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: and is a guy that at that position you just

594
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: don't find these days. I think another guy who's got

595
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: a chance to get in the top four with Aton,

596
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: Bagley and Daunted is Sharon's accent. I think those are

597
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: your top four right now, more so than Obama. Okay,

598
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: one last one Boston Celtics. Close near and dear to

599
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: your heart, close to your home team you've covered cover

600
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: for the NBA Draft. Do they stick with this current

601
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: young core group, Kyrie back and obviously getting Gordon Hayward

602
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: who only played a couple of minutes for them, or

603
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: do they make a move to go and bring in

604
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: a big star from elsewhere and move off some of

605
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: these young guys. Did they go for it next year? Well,

606
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: think about it next year, not this year's draft, but

607
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: next year's draft. You have Acrementos pick, you have Memphisis

608
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: pick if it's not I think one to eat. Uh,

609
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: you have your own and one other potential pick which

610
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: could be in the in the teams. So Dennys can

611
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: do whatever whatever he wants in terms of putting offers

612
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: out there that are very hard to resist. Now, Anthony Davis,

613
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: can you get him today? No? But what if? And

614
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 1: I've said this to people in in New Orleans who

615
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: are hammered me for putting out a trade potential trade

616
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: of jay Len Brown, Al Horford and basically all the picks,

617
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: whatever picks you want, take him for Anthony Davis. And

618
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: they're all saying, well, we just came off sweeping Portland's

619
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: but now you've raised the expectations and if midway through

620
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: next season, they're not winning at a high level. Anthony

621
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Davis may say to himself, like, what am I gonna?

622
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: Why am I staying here? Let me go somewhere that

623
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: I can win a championship, and that is a place

624
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: like Boston. If you put him with you know Jason Tatum,

625
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: and you know Gordon Hayward and Kyrie So I think

626
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: as got two ways. He's fighting from leverage here. He

627
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do anything. But if something really good

628
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: comes along, Doug for Anthony Davis, I think you'd do it.

629
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, obviously you're not gonna have to give up

630
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: as much. But you worry a little bit about Kauai

631
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: right now because of not only the health, not only

632
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: the physical health, but but now the mental health and

633
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: and the respect that he may or may not get

634
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: in the league having set out this much time with

635
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: the injury. If you have great stuff, you can't wait

636
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: to see the new Bod getting rid of that dad

637
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: Bob doing sprints. That's right, that's right. I'm gonna look

638
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: like Rocky. At some point, we'll have you run against

639
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: Apollo Creed on the beach in Santa Monica. Great to

640
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: catch up with you. Thank you for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the pot. Thanks man. Our next guest is just awesome.

642
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard his show on Sundays

643
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: with Chris Mannox Our NBA Insider also from Yahoo Sports

644
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: is Mannix. Karen Butler tough Ques, former NBA All Star

645
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: an NBA champion. Should be pointed out that he was

646
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: the tenth pick overall in the two thousand two and

647
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: NBA Draft. UM. NBA Draft Day two thousand two, you

648
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: were in the green room absolutely, you know, chilling in

649
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: New York, Me and my agent, my wife, uh, my

650
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: fiance at the time now, my wife, my mom, my

651
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: little brother. Amazing experience. What do you remember, Like when

652
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: you close your eyes you think back to the draft day,

653
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: will you remember and you know, you know, I go

654
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: back to that moment and I'm just like wow, Like

655
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I think about everything that you know, I possibly went

656
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: through all the adversity that I went through in my

657
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: life at an early age, you know, being incarcerated, UM,

658
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: going to prep school, being kicked out the state of

659
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: Wisconsin from the school board, from racing unified UM, and

660
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: finally being on that platform and just having an opportunity

661
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: to you know, really hear my name called and walked

662
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: across that stage. Man, I was just like, Man, it's

663
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: a it's a blessing. It's pretty cool, pretty cool. It's

664
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: it's one of the things that sometimes gets lost in

665
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: the do we like or not like the draft pick

666
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: and all the different annalynsis stuff. It is like it's

667
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: the culmination of a life's work, and for for many people, uh,

668
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a dream that we that so many of

669
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: us who play sports have but never get a chance

670
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: to a fill. And it's like you want to kind

671
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: of find the balance between the two, right well, like

672
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: congratulating people and understand the emotions of the experience that

673
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: they're going through, but also be able to talk about

674
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: if you think they're going to be successful in the

675
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: place in which they were drafted. And I think you

676
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: hit it right on the on on the head. I

677
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: think so many times we talk about, you know, the

678
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: potential on the upside and they messed up with this

679
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: pick and you know, just not respecting the layers and

680
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: the journey of the individual, you know, most for the

681
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: most part. You know, I got drafted when I was

682
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: twenty years old, a little older, you know, but a

683
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: lot of kids, you know, getting drafted at the age

684
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: of eighteen nineteen, and you know, it's a lot being

685
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: thrown at these young individuals, you know, the kind of

686
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: shelter to the au and collegiate programs and you know,

687
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: just not really having the chance to really have that

688
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: normal childhood and just to be thrown into the fire

689
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: like that. You know, we should have, you know, applaud

690
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: them as much as possible for you know, actually just

691
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: being able to make it to that platform. So it's amazing,

692
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm gonna do that tonight as I

693
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: watched the NFL Draft. You know, I'm I'm gonna celebrate

694
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: these guys that worked so hard to you know, even

695
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: make it an opportunity to finally you know, hear their

696
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: name called. That's Corn Butler to shoining us on the

697
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlie Show. Did the Thunder figure something out or

698
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: do they just get hot last night in the third quarter? Hey,

699
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I think you know, they're one of the best players

700
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: in the game of basketball. Russell Westbrook, you know, did

701
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: what he do and that's why he's been rewarded with

702
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the the hesty contract. And uh, Paul George, you know

703
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: plays significantly. Well, I don't think it was really adjustments.

704
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: You saw them down, you know, um, you know, just

705
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: like they was down pretty much in the last couple

706
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: of games to U saw and it looked like it

707
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: wasn'na be the same story. But you saw greatness that

708
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you know at his best, you know, he saw greatness

709
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: on two on two platform on you know, with Lebron

710
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: James being in Cleveland in that game, UM, could have

711
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: easily went either way. And then you saw with Russell

712
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: Westbrook in this series with Utah and obviously okay, see,

713
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, no real adjustments was made in that series.

714
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: It was just the dominance of a great player that

715
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: just took over. Let let me ask you about about

716
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: Lebron James. Let's go the first to his last play. Um,

717
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: that he is young, tried to cheat, right, he tried

718
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: to cheat the screen, Lebron read it and popped out.

719
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: Is it possible that Indy wanted to foul, but that

720
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: he is young in his effort to kind of cheat

721
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: and read the play ended up stopping them from fouling.

722
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: Or do you think there's just not enough time to

723
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: use that final foul that they had to give. I

724
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: don't think they was trying to file. I think he

725
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: was trying to play excellent defense to try to read

726
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: the playing and try to disturb the play. You knew

727
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: where the ball was going. I mean, you know with

728
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: that amount of time left, that means that you had

729
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: to catch the ball and do exactly what he did,

730
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: create a shot. There's only there's only two guys on

731
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: that team can actually do that, j R. Smith and

732
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: the other one is obviously Lebron James Kevin Love. In

733
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: that situation, they probably would have been a turnaround, catch

734
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: your shoot. Uh. Jordan Clarkson never been in that moment

735
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: or in that position. So you gotta play the numbers game,

736
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 1: in the odd game, and you know in hindsight everything,

737
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: but you know, from a deepens standpoint, you gotta make

738
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: sure Lebron do not catch that ball and leave it

739
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: upon some one else to beat you. I was just

740
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: texting with with two NBA head coaches and they I

741
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: said to exactly. They said, well, it's it's easier said

742
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: than that. I was like, dude, how about this, Let's

743
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: not let the best guy on the planet get the ball.

744
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: You got three seconds left, make somebody else beat you.

745
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: Isn't that rule number one? Yeah, it is easier said

746
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: and done it. You know, usually people don't want to

747
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: say that exactly what they're feeling. But you know, I mean, look, man,

748
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: we were in this space and we gotta speak our mind.

749
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't have a horse in this race,

750
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: and I gotta be honest, and you know, you gotta

751
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: deny Lebron as much as possible. I'm okay with anybody

752
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: else on that team. This is two opportunities that was

753
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: blown by the Indiana Pacers. You saw one at the

754
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: last home game and then you saw this one, and

755
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: you cannot believe in your in your in your heart

756
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: of hearts that you're gonna, you know, win the home

757
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: game in Ayanna and then go back to Cleveland for

758
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: the second time in the series and beat Lebron James

759
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: in the closing game seven. So I think, you know,

760
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 1: they really forfeited their series by not using their best knowledge.

761
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: That's the voice of Karen Butler. Tough jooses is Nick Dan.

762
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: Of course you can hear him on Fox Sports Trading

763
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: with our guy Chris mannox noon to three Eastern times

764
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: Sundays on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, let's get to this

765
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: Wizard series, and I think this one is super interesting. Look,

766
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I think the Wizards are a team that if they're right,

767
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: they're capable of being the Calves. I think the Raptors

768
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: are team they have meet the Calves in the playoffs.

769
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: And and I don't know what what you're thought. I

770
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,720
Speaker 1: do think the winner of this series has a chance

771
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: against the Cleveland Cavaliers. But here we are again with

772
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: them looking like a different team home versus road. What's

773
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: your sense of the Wizards and and and what to

774
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: make of how unbalanced it's been based upon where they're playing.

775
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's been the story of you know,

776
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: the Wizards for some time. And like you Stone, you know,

777
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: it's two teams out there that's that's that's healthy enough,

778
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: that can be consistent enough, uh to to beat the Calves.

779
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: And I just don't see that happening with either teams.

780
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: For one, I think that the Toronto Raptors are whatever

781
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: it is, they struggle with it. Lebron has some type

782
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: of you know, big brother little brother thing with them,

783
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: and then with the Washington Wizards, it's almost like you're

784
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: struggling to be consistent and you're just waiting for something

785
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: to happen, and that's something always happened in the Lebron series.

786
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: That happened with us, you know, going all the way

787
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: back to two thousand, six and seven and eight, you know,

788
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: three years in a row, and then it's it seems

789
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: to be happening in the same you know form, you

790
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: know with the current Wizards as well when they play

791
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: in Cleveland Cavaliers Butler joining us in the doug Otlips Show.

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00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Do the Pelicans have a chance against the Warriors? You

793
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: know what I think if if Anthony Davis is playing

794
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: you know out lights out and having the out of

795
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: body performances and you know, doing all the things that

796
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: he playoff Rondo playing at an unbelievable clip and then

797
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: to Holiday, you know, doing exactly what he does, I

798
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: think that they can possibly push it six, but you know,

799
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: to beat them in the series. I don't see that

800
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: happen because, you know, Draymond Green is you know, warm enough,

801
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: He's starting to make shots. He's getting a more steady

802
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: diet of shots where he's not getting spot shots where

803
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: he's getting six and seven opportunities, he's getting thirteen shots

804
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: and fourteen shots where you can establish the rhythm. And

805
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: you saw that with the Washington Wizards when John Wall

806
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: was out, Alto Porter was playing so well because he's

807
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: getting his reps, he's getting volume of shots and looks.

808
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: So with that being said, and then it's the cavalry

809
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: coming over that that that that that mound. At some point,

810
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, Steph Curry is gonna be you know, released,

811
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: and then that's just gonna be a whole another dimension.

812
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: So at some point I think, you know, they just

813
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: imposed their will on the series and they won that series.

814
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: But the next one is gonna be one to watch.

815
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Get your pop already. I think it will be. It'll

816
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: be a great one to watch. Um, last thing I

817
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: want to ask you about Lebron James. We started with him,

818
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: let's end with him. He's carrying this team, like single

819
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: handedly carrying this team. And some of it is that's

820
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: a construction of the team. Some of it is that's

821
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: when the Indie wants him to do right, We'll make

822
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: him beat you by himself and hope you wear him out.

823
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like Indie is gonna be able to

824
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: wear him out. But but doesn't the burden of having

825
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: to go for forty every night. Doesne that at some

826
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: point wear him down to the point where maybe they

827
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: lose to that Raptors that they normal wouldn't lose to Hi,

828
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: Maybe they lose to the seventies six years they normally

829
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't lose too, because he's had to carry so much

830
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: of this load before he ever gets to those series. Hey,

831
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: I said the same thing. I said. You know, the

832
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: NBA season is a marathon, is a toll, and you

833
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: gotta pace yourself. And then the second season, which is

834
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: the playoff, is a toll, and there's another marathon, and

835
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: it takes on the life of his own where anything

836
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: can happen. But I learned one thing, you know, you

837
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: cannot bet against, you know, game changing and generational talent,

838
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: and Lebron is that Kobe Bryant was the same thing.

839
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: And obviously Michael Jordan a goat with that as well.

840
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: And you know, whenever you think that these guys can

841
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper in their bag of tricks and

842
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: pull out, you know, some type of miracle or some

843
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: type of performers that just continues to remind everyone that

844
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: they're different, it happens, And it happened last night. It

845
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: happened in Indiana, and uh, you know we saw it,

846
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, with a guy like Russell Westbrook averaging in

847
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: the triple double this season. Again, he put his performers

848
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: on display last night as well. And I think Lebron

849
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: is you know, just cut from that coff where he

850
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: could continue to dial in and continue to prove all

851
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: the dollars and then they say there may say is wrong.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's it's it's a pleasure to watch it, man,

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Speaker 1: and we're watching great. Yeah, it's gonna be fascinating to see.

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Speaker 1: That's tough. Cheese Corral Butler. Check him out Sundays with

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Speaker 1: Chris Mannox on Fox Sports Radio. Cheese, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us any time, bro. All right, So that's it for

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Speaker 1: this edition of All Ball. Remember to download, rate, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: and all a friend, tell a friend, don't be afraid

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Speaker 1: We didn't talk a ton of about the Wizards. I

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Speaker 1: think that one goes seven. I'm not as down on

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Speaker 1: John Wall and the Wizards as other people. I think

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Speaker 1: Games seven is gonna be a war in Toronto. The

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Speaker 1: Raptors probably win it. Um. My sense though, is that

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Speaker 1: either of these teams can push the Calves, and probably

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Speaker 1: more so the Wizards. I don't know, there's there's something

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Speaker 1: mentally that Lebron has on the Raptors. I almost I

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Speaker 1: want to see the Wizards because I think you know,

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Speaker 1: Wall and Feel, and those are two tremendous cards, and

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Speaker 1: that's not where That's not where Lebron matches up. Like.

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Speaker 1: You can't put Lebron on either one of those two.

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Speaker 1: He just can't. And so I think the Wizards are

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Speaker 1: a tougher matchup for the Caps. Doesn't mean the Wizards

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Speaker 1: is gonna win the last two games and end up

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Speaker 1: facing the Calves. But if I'm the Calves, they rightfully

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Speaker 1: and smartly avoided them last year. They should be smart

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Speaker 1: to try and hopefully avoid them this year. As for

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Speaker 1: the Warriors, today, Steph Curry practice full practice with the

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. I think this was always the plan.

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Speaker 1: I think losing a game only helped him get ready.

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Speaker 1: The problem is going to be do you start him

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Speaker 1: to you bring him off the bench, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: I probably bring him off the bench. I'd probably try

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Speaker 1: and get him some minutes, try and win the game

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Speaker 1: one without him. But I wouldn't go not playing him

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Speaker 1: and go from not playing him to starting him. I

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Speaker 1: just think that's way too difficult. You got to play

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Speaker 1: him a game or two off the bench in limited

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Speaker 1: minutes and get him some run and have him hit

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Speaker 1: some shots and not overuse him so he gets back

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Speaker 1: those kind of playing muscles. The NBA is in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs has played at such a much higher level in

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Speaker 1: terms of level of intensity that it's it's literally going

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Speaker 1: zero to a hundred. And I wouldn't do that if

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Speaker 1: I have somebody as important to my franchise and to

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Speaker 1: the playoff future of the Golden State Wars, just wouldn't

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Speaker 1: do it. Wouldn't do it at all. I do think

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Speaker 1: the Pelicans can pose a tough matchup. I think the

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Speaker 1: big thing with the Warriors is Draymond Green is gonna

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Speaker 1: have to start hitting some shots. You can't have two

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Speaker 1: guys out there Igua Dallas hitting more shots in the

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Speaker 1: playoffs but shooting more, three shooting about in in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have those guys stretched the floor. Right now,

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Speaker 1: nobody's guarding Draymond. They're leaving him wide open, he's still

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Speaker 1: not making shots, still not making shots. And then there's

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Speaker 1: the seventy sixers. I've been a Ben Simmons guy for

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Speaker 1: a long time. Let's not get it twisted and beat though,

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Speaker 1: is the guy who's who's almost is a difference maker

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Speaker 1: because we haven't seen I haven't seen seven foot two

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Speaker 1: dude who moved like that score in the post, shoot

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Speaker 1: three and carry on a great funny conversation. I am

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Speaker 1: a little bit concerned, a little bit concerned, a little

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Speaker 1: concerned that embiad has never really played in big important games.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you haven't playing big important games, then

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Speaker 1: do you really know when to take good shots? Do

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Speaker 1: you really know you know how how the game changes

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Speaker 1: when you get to the fourth quarter. So look the

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Speaker 1: seventies sixers. I'm not willing to say their favorites. It's

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Speaker 1: still Lebron and everybody else. I think they have the talent,

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Speaker 1: they're proba be a better team talent wise and three

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Speaker 1: point shooting wise and matchup wise, but there's a lack

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Speaker 1: of attention to detail defensively. They haven't played in big games.

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Speaker 1: They got a lot of youth, and they do have

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Speaker 1: some They have a lot of shooters that don't move

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Speaker 1: particularly well, and that's not a bad matchup for the test,

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Speaker 1: all right. That's all. Ball gave me some college hoops,

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Speaker 1: gave you some pro hoops. More to come next week

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Speaker 1: as we roll on in the NBA playoffs. Remember download,

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Speaker 1: subscribe right like us. I'm Doug Gotlin.