Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Long Island Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I hope that you had a RESTful and restorative weekend
Speaker 1: after the hellish week that we had last week. I
Speaker 1: have no idea what this Monday is going to bring
Speaker 1: for us, but I'm assuming that it's going to be
Speaker 1: a lot more of the same. Coming up in today
Speaker 1: is my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner, who you know.
Speaker 1: I will say this, Glenn has been coming on this
Speaker 1: show consecutively for two years, every week without without fail um,
Speaker 1: unless I've been traveling or he's been traveling. He has
Speaker 1: dedicated his time to sharing with all of you and
Speaker 1: with me his hopefulness and his feelings about where the
Speaker 1: DOJ is going to go and whether or not we're
Speaker 1: going to finally indict those people that are responsible for
Speaker 1: trying to overthrow our government for mismanaging COVID nineteen, which
Speaker 1: cost now over a million lives in this country. And
Speaker 1: I've always looked to Glenn for his hopefulness, for his
Speaker 1: you know wherewithal, especially when I'm in times of darkness
Speaker 1: and I will tell you that this conversation that you
Speaker 1: will hear is going to be very raw and very real.
Speaker 1: And Glenn has moved into a space where after every
Speaker 1: bit of information that we keep getting that is leaked
Speaker 1: about the Supreme Courts, about Donald Trump and his documents
Speaker 1: about who knew what and when, and the fact that
Speaker 1: still still as I record this right now, there has
Speaker 1: been no movement to put criminal charges on Donald Trump
Speaker 1: or anybody associated with the Trump administration. And as time
Speaker 1: keeps ticking on and the Republicans continue to show their
Speaker 1: hand and show us exactly the type of country that
Speaker 1: they want to turn America into. If we don't see
Speaker 1: immediate action by the Department of Justice before November, if
Speaker 1: we don't see immediate action by this administration right Biden
Speaker 1: with a series of executive orders before in November, our
Speaker 1: feeling now is one and the same that our democracy
Speaker 1: is on life support. And when I say on life support,
Speaker 1: I mean that the midterms are going to be our
Speaker 1: last free and fair election if Republicans win, because they
Speaker 1: will dismantle everything that we know and have come to
Speaker 1: understand that separates the United States from many other nations,
Speaker 1: which is our democracy, our read of we the people
Speaker 1: when you are faced against a political party that wants
Speaker 1: to put women and people with uteruses back into the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, when we are seeing reports about not only
Speaker 1: are they coming after Rob Wade and gleefully excited, and
Speaker 1: now their glee has turned into fear as cavan Haw
Speaker 1: and Thomas and others hide in their homes because of
Speaker 1: protesters that are showing up at their houses. Because guess what,
Speaker 1: abortion is personal. A woman's body is personal, and no
Speaker 1: government should have the ability to dictate and force you
Speaker 1: to have birth when they are not going to be
Speaker 1: picking up the expense for what it means to have
Speaker 1: a child in this country. They're not affording you the
Speaker 1: ability to pay for childcare. They're not affording you the
Speaker 1: ability to have healthcare. They're not affording you the ability
Speaker 1: to have a good public education unless you're willing to
Speaker 1: pay the property taxes of where your child can get
Speaker 1: the best education. No, they're not doing any of those things.
Speaker 1: And so that being said, they're not stopping there, which
Speaker 1: is what I've been saying on wokef for the longest time.
Speaker 1: Abortion is the beginning. It is the lowest hanging fruit,
Speaker 1: and particularly when you are doing it with an administration
Speaker 1: that just recently uttered. The word tells you exactly why
Speaker 1: it has been low hanging fruit, because we have always
Speaker 1: loved to say as Democrats, abortion should be safe, you know,
Speaker 1: and rare. No, abortion should be safe and whenever the
Speaker 1: fuck you need it right, And it should be up
Speaker 1: to the person who is getting that abortion to make
Speaker 1: that decision, not their priest, not their rabbi, right, not
Speaker 1: their government, not their husband, not their what it should
Speaker 1: be up to the person. But now there are reports
Speaker 1: coming out folks where they're going after contraception. They're going
Speaker 1: after your birth control, not condoms, but your ability to
Speaker 1: take a pill and again dictate when, where and if
Speaker 1: you become a mother, you become a parent. It's disgusting.
Speaker 1: And you know what I saw over the weekend. It
Speaker 1: was a New York Times article about the new excessive
Speaker 1: policies that the Taliban which is now in control of
Speaker 1: Afghanistan since we have pulled out in a historic disaster
Speaker 1: that of course we have long since forgot because now
Speaker 1: you know the world is in another war in Ukraine
Speaker 1: with at the helm of Putin. But if you recall,
Speaker 1: as we were making this remarkable pullout from Afghanistan after
Speaker 1: twenty years, and watch this country, which America has been
Speaker 1: propping up but clearly not in the best way possible,
Speaker 1: collapse in a matter of weeks after twenty years. They're
Speaker 1: rolling out new rules for women pretty much every single week.
Speaker 1: First it was restrictions on your ability to work, no
Speaker 1: longer able to do that. Then it was on your
Speaker 1: restriction to be able to leave your home, to be
Speaker 1: able to get an education for women. Now the latest
Speaker 1: that the New York Times is covering over the weekend
Speaker 1: is a full burka, the return to not just wearing
Speaker 1: a h job right, which again should be the choice
Speaker 1: of a woman to adhere to if in fact she
Speaker 1: is devout. Now it is not a choice. It's highly
Speaker 1: recommended from this abusive terrorist government that a woman cover
Speaker 1: in a burka with just a lace lace over her eyes,
Speaker 1: that there is no showing of a figure or form
Speaker 1: or anything, and that if she does not adhere to
Speaker 1: those things, and the government goes to her home and
Speaker 1: speaks to the man in charge and he refuses to
Speaker 1: adhere to that, there is jail time and other penalties.
Speaker 1: Now we read these articles in the United States and
Speaker 1: we think, oh, my god, how dare they? How archaic?
Speaker 1: You tell me what the difference is between what is
Speaker 1: happening in the United States, what is starting in the
Speaker 1: United States as a way to control women and people
Speaker 1: with uteruses, and what the Taliban is doing in Afghanistan. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't love I don't like it when people refer
Speaker 1: to the Republican Party. It's like, oh, the American Taliban. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you don't need to invoke them. But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is for an organization that Republicans has always jeered against
Speaker 1: right and said we're archaic and this, that and the
Speaker 1: other thing, and we got to stand up. What is
Speaker 1: the difference between the way that the Taliban men want
Speaker 1: to control the women in Afghanistan and the way that
Speaker 1: the radical, radicalized Republican white supremacist party wants to control
Speaker 1: women and people with uteruses. There is no difference. And
Speaker 1: it starts with abortion, then it goes to birth control,
Speaker 1: and then maybe they will begin to repeal workplace equity
Speaker 1: laws that were put in place. Maybe they go after
Speaker 1: Lily led Better, Maybe they go there. Right, you remember
Speaker 1: that major case that was one that then allowed for
Speaker 1: women to be able to sue their employers. Maybe the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court says, well, that hinders you know, CEOs and
Speaker 1: shareholders ability to make money, and that's a part of
Speaker 1: regulations that corporations shouldn't have to deal with. So maybe
Speaker 1: they decide to rescind that. Maybe they go so far
Speaker 1: as to rescind the ability of you know, into racial
Speaker 1: couples to marry. We know definitely that they're coming for
Speaker 1: LGBTQ people. So what's next? And Hillary Clinton, in an
Speaker 1: interview that she did recently and I did a TikTok
Speaker 1: on a couple of days ago, was very clear she
Speaker 1: essentially offered the modernization of Martin Neo Mueller's poem first
Speaker 1: they for She goes, if you're looking at what is
Speaker 1: happening right now, and you say that I'm not a
Speaker 1: woman and I don't care, I'm not black and I
Speaker 1: don't care, understand that when you allow this type of
Speaker 1: extremism to begin to take hold, that there is no
Speaker 1: telling and no stopping them from rolling over every single other. Right,
Speaker 1: people like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, people like myself who
Speaker 1: are speaking out against the government. Do you think that
Speaker 1: these people will not have to be forced to flee
Speaker 1: in a matter of years. You think, folks, that what
Speaker 1: I'm saying seems extreme, that this could not possibly happen
Speaker 1: in your United States. And what I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: the first half of your life that you understood what
Speaker 1: this country was, what it stood for, what you have
Speaker 1: been indoctrinated to understand, is no longer going to be
Speaker 1: the norm. We have already been on a downward slope,
Speaker 1: a descent over the last several years under Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: The things that we would have never accepted America has
Speaker 1: rolled over for we Now. You heard reports over the
Speaker 1: weekend as well in Mark Esper's new fucking book, because
Speaker 1: everybody's got a fucking book to hawk so that they
Speaker 1: can put money in their pockets, but didn't give a
Speaker 1: shit about democracy or what their responsibility and their quote
Speaker 1: unquote sacred oath was to our constitution. Mark Esper, former
Speaker 1: Secretary of Defense under Trump, wants you to believe that
Speaker 1: he stayed in office because he had a duty and
Speaker 1: a responsibility to be the grown up in the room
Speaker 1: so that Donald Trump wouldn't launch missiles into Mexico and
Speaker 1: then cover it up. He was in the room when
Speaker 1: he decided to order the hit on Solomony in Iran.
Speaker 1: These people are unhinged, They are draconian, they are vicious,
Speaker 1: and they are violent, and they are being led by
Speaker 1: a fucking egomaniac. And everybody that had a responsibility to
Speaker 1: say something with all of the leaks that we saw
Speaker 1: coming out of the Trump administration, Mark Esper decided to
Speaker 1: hold that information as we were headed into the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty election and wait, wait until it was going to
Speaker 1: be worth a pretty penny that then he could sell
Speaker 1: and then try and sell us the lie that he
Speaker 1: cares as a way to scrub his reputation. Do not
Speaker 1: allow him to scrub his reputation. He is shady, he
Speaker 1: is dirty, just like the rest of Trump's acolytes, just
Speaker 1: like the rest of the accomplices to the destruction of
Speaker 1: democracy that continues, continues to go on without anyone trying
Speaker 1: to intervene. I ask every fucking week where is the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice? Once again we see that the First
Speaker 1: Lady has made a trip to the Ukraine, which I
Speaker 1: think is great. I am very happy that our brilliant
Speaker 1: doctor Jill Biden went to Ukraine to go and visit
Speaker 1: with and speak with the First Lady there. I'm very
Speaker 1: happy about the ways in which the United States has
Speaker 1: wanted to step up in order to preserve the democracy
Speaker 1: that is slipping through the Ukrainian people's grasps as Russia
Speaker 1: closes in and now Marapole is under Soviet rule, appearance
Speaker 1: with statues erected and Russian signs put up everywhere. I
Speaker 1: wish that this administration would take their tough talk and
Speaker 1: the force that they have been using and direct that
Speaker 1: to the opponents of our democracy here. But we keep
Speaker 1: believing that somehow we're getting another by that the apple
Speaker 1: when we lose midterms, that all this is just all normal.
Speaker 1: It's not fucking normal. It's not normal to have a
Speaker 1: Supreme Court that just disavows precedent. It's not normal for
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices to lie during their confirmation hearings under oath.
Speaker 1: It is not normal to have a Supreme Court justice
Speaker 1: that had a wife that was closely associated with the
Speaker 1: insurrection and on the hot line with the then chief
Speaker 1: of Staff being one of the many voices to say
Speaker 1: that we have to do whatever to hold onto power.
Speaker 1: And again, no investigation to Clarence Thomas. But Chief Justice
Speaker 1: Roberts wants to have an investigation because of the leak
Speaker 1: that allowed us to see who these people are. And
Speaker 1: now you want to be fearful and making up Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's Antifa that's coming for us. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: You have to deal with the consequences of destroying our
Speaker 1: democracy because if you think that people are going to
Speaker 1: be going silently into the night, I got another fucking
Speaker 1: story to tell you. Because as much as I like
Speaker 1: to say that people are asleep at the wheel, and
Speaker 1: I think that a majority of people are, because I
Speaker 1: think that they're too busy dealing with the fact that
Speaker 1: they don't know if they're going to be able to
Speaker 1: afford their mortgages or their rent, or making choices between
Speaker 1: what kind of groceries were getting because of inflation and
Speaker 1: the gas fucking prices. This is the climate that Hitler
Speaker 1: was able to covet and murder six million people without
Speaker 1: the world fucking blinking. So when this Republican party that
Speaker 1: owns the courts, that owns the state legislatures start to
Speaker 1: institute their own version of Jim Crow two point zero
Speaker 1: and apartheid, and then they say that everything that they're
Speaker 1: doing is legal because they own all the lovers of
Speaker 1: power understand that all of the things, the horrific things
Speaker 1: that we have studied and learned in school, were all
Speaker 1: legal at the time that they were happening. So unless
Speaker 1: this administration decides to wake the fuck up and see
Speaker 1: that this is not the Republican Party of your father's time,
Speaker 1: or your mother's time, or your grandparents' time, these people
Speaker 1: are radicalized. They are a cult, They are dangerous, and
Speaker 1: they want to inflict as much pain and violence as possible.
Speaker 1: In Esper's book, he talks about Donald Trump wanting the
Speaker 1: ability to shoot protesters in the leg can't we just
Speaker 1: shoot them? All you need is somebody that had the
Speaker 1: ability to say, sure, we could shoot him. We'll say
Speaker 1: that they all had guns. We'll say that they were
Speaker 1: a militia. Put out that ship to Fox News. Let
Speaker 1: it spread like wildfire. No one will be the wiser
Speaker 1: because they control everything, and we'll watch our prisons fill
Speaker 1: up with political prisoners. This is where this shit is heading.
Speaker 1: I wish that I had some solve, some balm to
Speaker 1: offer you as you ease into this week. But the
Speaker 1: reality is I need to rip the band aid off.
Speaker 1: We all do. I tell us to rest I tell
Speaker 1: us to restore, I tell us to get joy find
Speaker 1: joy every single day, because each and every day is
Speaker 1: getting darker and darker, and people keep asking what is
Speaker 1: the recourse, and what is the recourse and what is
Speaker 1: the recourse? Well, I really appreciate the people that are
Speaker 1: standing on in front of Breta's house. I really appreciate
Speaker 1: the people that are standing out in front of Alito's house,
Speaker 1: in Roberts's house. I want them to live with the
Speaker 1: same type of fear and discomfort that the women trying
Speaker 1: to walk into planned parenthoods feel when they are being
Speaker 1: heckled and shamed. I don't want a Republican to be
Speaker 1: able to walk into a fucking restaurant. I don't want
Speaker 1: them to be able to walk into their fucking front door.
Speaker 1: That's where we're headed, and that is exactly what needs
Speaker 1: to happen. They think that they are going to roll
Speaker 1: back our constitution and use it as toilet paper, and
Speaker 1: I am saying, let me tell you something. There is
Speaker 1: a lot that I am willing to do, and I
Speaker 1: think that many people are willing to do in order
Speaker 1: to fight back, and they need to be prepared to
Speaker 1: deal with the consequences of the choices that they are making.
Speaker 1: I have said any times before, things in this country
Speaker 1: are going to get bloodier before they get better. And
Speaker 1: I don't even know what better looks like, but I
Speaker 1: do know that folks need to buckle the fuck up
Speaker 1: because this country is going on a ride that we
Speaker 1: have only ever seen in quote unquote developing nations, because
Speaker 1: that's what we have become. Coming up next, my conversation
Speaker 1: with our friend MSNBC Legal analysts and the host of
Speaker 1: Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. Folks, As always, you know that
Speaker 1: when I have the ability each week to sit down
Speaker 1: with our friend Glenn Kirshner, host of Justice Matters and
Speaker 1: MSNBC Legal analyst, it is never a good time. We
Speaker 1: never have anything good to discuss, Glenn, not in the
Speaker 1: last two years. But this week, this past week was
Speaker 1: probably I think the worst that we have seen thus far.
Speaker 1: So I just want to get your reactions to our
Speaker 1: constitutional crisis that we are now in. That Justice Alito's draft,
Speaker 1: and I put that in quotation marks draft opinion of
Speaker 1: the Mississippi abortion case pretty much single signals to America,
Speaker 1: to everyone that everything is on the table and that
Speaker 1: these justices in this six to three court are the
Speaker 1: ones that get to decide what is foundational to America.
Speaker 1: I just want your reactions from what you saw, how
Speaker 1: you were feeling, and then we'll go from there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the phrase that continues to come to mind for
Speaker 1: me is we created this monster. And people really get
Speaker 1: angry when I say we created this monster because the
Speaker 1: first thing people say, understandably is I didn't vote for
Speaker 1: any of these Republicans. I certainly didn't vote for Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justices. Nobody did. But you know what, we all
Speaker 1: voted for the politicians who have been in office in
Speaker 1: recent years who allowed this to happen. The Republicans were
Speaker 1: fighting for it. The Democrats may have been fighting against
Speaker 1: it around the edges, but we can see now that
Speaker 1: they were not fighting effectively. I maintain they've never taken
Speaker 1: both gloves off. And we created this monster. How did
Speaker 1: we create this monster when? And I definitely want to
Speaker 1: get to what you what you opened with, which is
Speaker 1: everything is on the table, because that's hugely important. But
Speaker 1: we created this monster when we let Mitch McConnell act
Speaker 1: unconstitutionally to deprive Merrick Garland of his confirmation hearing and
Speaker 1: of vote, and instead of doing what I maintain we
Speaker 1: should have done which would have been a gloves off approach.
Speaker 1: When Mitch McConnell said, I, as one man, will rewrite
Speaker 1: the Constitution, and I will say there will be no
Speaker 1: advice and consent hearing by the Senate, which the Constitution
Speaker 1: provides for, and I will not give you a vote
Speaker 1: on your nominee. What the Obama administration should have done,
Speaker 1: and this is not a criticism, because you know, I
Speaker 1: embrace the progress we made under President Obama's administration. But
Speaker 1: what it should have done is instead of giving into
Speaker 1: that political terrorism, they should have said, you have thirty days,
Speaker 1: Senator McConnell to hold a hearing and give the nominee
Speaker 1: of a a vote. If you don't, I will deem that
Speaker 1: you have waived your constitutional prerogative to give advice and consent,
Speaker 1: and I will tell Merrick Garland to take his place
Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. Then Mitch McConnell Danielle would have
Speaker 1: had to have run into Federal Court and convinced the
Speaker 1: judges that he had a right to rewrite the Constitution
Speaker 1: as one man. He would have gone down in flames.
Speaker 1: And what would have happened, in my opinion, is the
Speaker 1: judges would have basically issued a writ of man, damis,
Speaker 1: do your job, Mitch McConnell, hold a hearing in a vote.
Speaker 1: Maybe he would have been confirmed, maybe he would not
Speaker 1: have been confirmed, but we would not have given in
Speaker 1: to the political terrorism. But we did. We allowed it
Speaker 1: to happen. We let cavitall lie his flipping way through
Speaker 1: his confirmation hearing, and we did nothing about it. We
Speaker 1: created this monster, right, We let Clarence Thomas involve him
Speaker 1: self been deeply unethical, perhaps illegal conduct of sitting in
Speaker 1: a case where he was trying to bury deeply damaging
Speaker 1: information about his insurrectionist wife. We created this monster. What
Speaker 1: are we gonna do about it? Now? Dan Yell? Are
Speaker 1: we gonna keep beating the monster? Or are we going
Speaker 1: to starve the monster? Because look at the confirmation hearing
Speaker 1: testimony of Alito, Gorsuch, Cavanaugh, and Amy Coney, Barrett, Barrett right,
Speaker 1: every one of them communicated Roe v. Wade settled law,
Speaker 1: starry decisive, entitled to respect. What is the opening paragraph
Speaker 1: of Alito's own draft opinion. It Roe versus Wade was
Speaker 1: egregiously wrong the day it was decided, and it must
Speaker 1: be overruled well that puts the lie to your confirmation.
Speaker 1: Here testimony, you used party words, you were evasive, you
Speaker 1: were a flippin' weasel. Oh, I don't want to say flipping,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna keep saying flipping. You were a flippin' weasel.
Speaker 1: And now you are proving yourself to be a liar. Danielle,
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about it? Are we gonna
Speaker 1: keep feeding the monster? Or are we going to say
Speaker 1: this is illegitimate? You old justices cannot dictate that women
Speaker 1: must carry a pregnancy to term against their will, against
Speaker 1: their decision, against their autonomy rights as human beings. Are
Speaker 1: we gonna let that stand? Are we going to keep
Speaker 1: feeding the monster? Or are we gonna say no, It's
Speaker 1: time for the rule of law to assert itself. And too,
Speaker 1: I don't know forty five hundred citizen tips with derogatory
Speaker 1: information about Brett cabitalf sitting at the White House where
Speaker 1: they were delivered by the FBI. Are we going to
Speaker 1: keep feeding the monster? And if we are, well, then
Speaker 1: we will not keep our republic period. With respect to
Speaker 1: everything being on the table, Danielle, Once you say Americans
Speaker 1: have no constitutionally protected privacy, interests. Not only will the
Speaker 1: right of a woman to decide for herself what happens
Speaker 1: inside her own body go away, the right of gay
Speaker 1: marriage will go away, the right to contraception will go away,
Speaker 1: the right let me tell you, get ready, because segregation
Speaker 1: is on the table. Ye if you don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna say round versus Board of Education wrongly decided. Let's
Speaker 1: go back to the you know, framers of the Constitution.
Speaker 1: What did they have in mind about equal rights for minorities? Huh?
Speaker 1: I mean it's all on the table. We are being
Speaker 1: dragged by five flipping justices back into the dark ages.
Speaker 1: And are we going to let it happen? Are we
Speaker 1: going to keep feeding the monster, that's the only question,
Speaker 1: or are we going to decide that the rule of
Speaker 1: law must be asserted. I'm telling you right now, Glenn,
Speaker 1: that we do not have This is my opinion. We
Speaker 1: do not have the right president and the right administration
Speaker 1: for this moment. We did not elect warriors. We elected
Speaker 1: a moderate. We elected somebody who we thought had a
Speaker 1: collegial relationship with Republicans and was going to be able
Speaker 1: to somehow coerce them back into their twentieth century mentality
Speaker 1: when decisions were made in corner rooms with a glass
Speaker 1: of scotch and a pat on the back. That is
Speaker 1: the world that Joe Biden came from. It the world
Speaker 1: that he thought that he was going back to. And
Speaker 1: it is the world that, in our desperation in the
Speaker 1: election of twenty twenty, in our desperation, at the height
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, with no vaccine, with nothing in sight
Speaker 1: to give us any type of relief, we said, okay.
Speaker 1: It was not a resounding yes, that's my guy. It
Speaker 1: was a okay, this is the best that we can
Speaker 1: do to beat the beast that we see. And then
Speaker 1: come to pass, he elects, he appoints an attorney general
Speaker 1: that should have been on the Supreme Court. Because the man,
Speaker 1: again is not a fighter. He's a deliberator. He's not
Speaker 1: a fighter. He's not somebody that was going to go
Speaker 1: toe to toe with these criminals. And so here we
Speaker 1: sit because and I'm happy that you said it, because
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I love Barack Obama. I love the
Speaker 1: Obama administration. It will go down as a footnote on
Speaker 1: the very short golden period in our country, right. But
Speaker 1: the reality is is that they assumed that they were
Speaker 1: dealing with a rational opposition, a rational opposition that believed
Speaker 1: in the rule of law, that shared the moral fabric
Speaker 1: in understanding of our democracy. They do not. They are thieves,
Speaker 1: They are liars. And so your question is, right, what
Speaker 1: are we going to do about it? Because I'm telling
Speaker 1: you right now, there is not a voice in this
Speaker 1: administration that is saying this ends now. They keep thinking
Speaker 1: that they're going to get another bite at the apple.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying to people this midterm election that is
Speaker 1: coming up in six months, this is the last free
Speaker 1: and fair election. Republicans take back Congress. We are done.
Speaker 1: There is no what if, what about? We are done.
Speaker 1: And so for me, Glenn, the question is, without action
Speaker 1: from this Department of Justice, what are our legal alternatives?
Speaker 1: What do we do Without an activated Department of Justice
Speaker 1: to say, you know what, Brett Kavanaugh, you are an
Speaker 1: illegitimate justice. Forty five hundred messages to the FBI and
Speaker 1: they put it in a desk, They handed it over
Speaker 1: to the president. The former president twice impeached, who is
Speaker 1: an egregious liar. But this administration has that information, no movement,
Speaker 1: no movement. So without the Department of Justice, Glenn, what
Speaker 1: alternatives do we have to fight against this beast? You
Speaker 1: know our options are limited, Danielle. You know I'm actually
Speaker 1: in the process of, together with some very hard working interns,
Speaker 1: putting together a list of the states that allow for
Speaker 1: citizens to request and in some cases, insist upon, grand
Speaker 1: jury investigations of corrupt public officials. I'm also looking into,
Speaker 1: and I don't want people to, you know, read too
Speaker 1: much into it, citizen laws that permit citizen arrests of
Speaker 1: crimes that have gone unaddressed by the government. I don't
Speaker 1: pretend any of this is viable, but this is what
Speaker 1: we are left with. And as much as I like,
Speaker 1: how can you not like Joe Biden? How can you
Speaker 1: not respect you know, much of what he did and
Speaker 1: what he stands for? But I wanted to week, I
Speaker 1: mean literally when I heard him say, after this draft
Speaker 1: Supreme Court opinion was leaked, what are they gonna do next?
Speaker 1: Because the MAGA crew is the most extreme, you know,
Speaker 1: political movement we've ever had. Why would you ask the
Speaker 1: question what are they going to do next? Because isn't
Speaker 1: that at least tacitly giving them permission for what they
Speaker 1: did last? Instead of saying they will do nothing next,
Speaker 1: because we will not let them claw back the constitutional
Speaker 1: privacy rights of women, period. And we're already hard at
Speaker 1: work at making sure the constitutional privacy rights of women
Speaker 1: are not revoked. Not what are they gonna do next?
Speaker 1: What the heck kind of a presidential statement is that
Speaker 1: I have no idea? Maybe I literally have no idea,
Speaker 1: because I watched it and I said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this must be the most feckless president I have ever
Speaker 1: seen in my entire life. You have tough words for Putin.
Speaker 1: For Putin, they are puffing their chest and beating their chest.
Speaker 1: But for the Republicans that are at war with our content,
Speaker 1: this was a declaration of war. Glenn, I am somebody
Speaker 1: who has been saying this for years on this show.
Speaker 1: Watch this Republican party, see them for who they are.
Speaker 1: And I have been told that I am hyperbolic. I
Speaker 1: have been told that I am crazy, and I'm saying
Speaker 1: if folks do not remember. In amy Cony Barrett's confirmation hearing,
Speaker 1: she was asked a question about Brown versus the Board
Speaker 1: of Education. I didn't like her answer. Her answer was
Speaker 1: akin to what they've all said with regard to Rove Wade,
Speaker 1: and when I tell people that you don't care about abortion, okay,
Speaker 1: do you care about same sex marriage? Do you care
Speaker 1: about public schools? Do you care about the environment, do
Speaker 1: you care about social security? Do you care about voting?
Speaker 1: Because all of those things now are going to be
Speaker 1: decided by five people who get to tell you that
Speaker 1: this is not deeply rooted in who America is. Well,
Speaker 1: neither was my life as three fifths of a human being.
Speaker 1: So if you don't think that all of those things
Speaker 1: are on the table, then you're not paying attention. And
Speaker 1: so you know, if if you look into these things
Speaker 1: that you just laid out, I mean, in all honesty, Glenn,
Speaker 1: here is a really no recourse without action from the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice. We as citizens right can only do
Speaker 1: so much. Am I wrong? I can't bring a class
Speaker 1: We can't organize and bring a class action of three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million Americans to do what Now there
Speaker 1: is absent the rule of law entering the fray being
Speaker 1: asserted by the people who have the power to investigate, indict,
Speaker 1: and prosecute people like Brett Kavanaugh, people like Clarence Thomas
Speaker 1: if it is determined he committed a crime and not
Speaker 1: just one of the most horrendous ethical breaches ever of
Speaker 1: the Biosupreme Court Justice. You know, then we really don't
Speaker 1: have any hope. Then the Department of Justice and the
Speaker 1: Biden administration is just giving us over to the monster.
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right. They thought they could negotiate and
Speaker 1: cajole and appease the monster and tame the monster. That's
Speaker 1: not how you deal with the monster. You starve the monster,
Speaker 1: You fight the monster, and figuratively speaking, you kill the
Speaker 1: monster that is trying to deprive you of your rights
Speaker 1: as an American. You can't appease or tame the monster.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think we talk every week, Danielle,
Speaker 1: and I think we are at a loss why the
Speaker 1: Biden administration and the Department of Justice will not open
Speaker 1: their eyes to the fact that the monster is trying
Speaker 1: to kill our rights and they're responding again with more
Speaker 1: purty words and a hope that they can change the
Speaker 1: monster's minds. You're not going to change the monster's mind
Speaker 1: and you're also not going to shame the shameless. Because
Speaker 1: this is the thing too, is that in every statement
Speaker 1: that is made, whether it is from Joe Biden, whether
Speaker 1: it's from Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer. It is nothing
Speaker 1: more than a finger wag. It is nothing more than
Speaker 1: how dare that? Listen to the Vice president of the
Speaker 1: United States? How dare they? How dare they? How dare you?
Speaker 1: How dare you do nothing? How dare you tell us
Speaker 1: that you need our votes and our money and we
Speaker 1: do so in the midst of a pandemic to save
Speaker 1: our own lives. And then you say, what will they
Speaker 1: do next? How dare them? History will remember? History won't
Speaker 1: remember them, you know why, because they're gonna burn the books.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. History won't remember this. So I
Speaker 1: mean I am I am truly Glenn this week, I
Speaker 1: am truly at a loss. I am truly at a
Speaker 1: loss because I examined for myself and again I'm not
Speaker 1: a lawyer, but you brought up one one instance of
Speaker 1: the not fighting back. Three hundred and sixty some odd
Speaker 1: days Mitch McConnell held Merritt Garland seat hostage. There was
Speaker 1: no court case, there was no threat of taking you
Speaker 1: to court, there was no recess appointment, there was nothing.
Speaker 1: You just let this. You tell us that the courts
Speaker 1: are important, and then you let this man hold a
Speaker 1: Supreme Court seat hostage as if they come open every year.
Speaker 1: That was mistake number two. The first mistake, which I
Speaker 1: have said, was the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, Barack Obama says, you should retire at the
Speaker 1: ripe age of eighty. I am not for telling women
Speaker 1: what to do, right. We don't ask men to retire.
Speaker 1: But I will tell you this. He could have appointed
Speaker 1: a woman half her age Kavanaugh, Barrett, they're fifty. We're
Speaker 1: talking about thirty maybe forty years of a lifetime appointment.
Speaker 1: I just I, Glenn, I know that I ask you
Speaker 1: this before. If this is this a banana republic? Have
Speaker 1: we lost? Is this? Are we done? Is my question?
Speaker 1: Because I we have no constant. If the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: rips apart our constitution, are we not already inside of
Speaker 1: a banana republic? Is there a way out? Is there
Speaker 1: a way out? You know? I think the aperture, that's
Speaker 1: the right word for the thing on the camera that
Speaker 1: begins to close. The aperture is closing. And I think
Speaker 1: there may still be enough room for us to wiggle out.
Speaker 1: But I'm not optimistic that we will because the way
Speaker 1: for us to wiggle out before the aperture closes completely,
Speaker 1: is for the rule of law to be robustly asserted
Speaker 1: and deployed by the people who are in a position
Speaker 1: to do it. And why would wouldn't you? And I
Speaker 1: be kind of foolish to think that is about to happen,
Speaker 1: because it sure hadn't happened yet. And when I see
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court prepared to revoke the constitutional rights of women,
Speaker 1: and I hear the President say, oh my goodness, what
Speaker 1: will they do next? I'm not optimistic that the rule
Speaker 1: of law will now come roaring in like a lion
Speaker 1: and start to hold these constitutional cannibals accountable. I'm not optimistic.
Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? Glenn? That's my last
Speaker 1: question for you today. Where do we go from here?
Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you I have relied on you for
Speaker 1: the past two years for hope. People know me. I'm
Speaker 1: a realist. I haven't had hope in a long time.
Speaker 1: I had hope in the twenty twenty election. I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we did it. Then I watched the insurrection and I said, oh,
Speaker 1: they're not going to allow this. What I think that
Speaker 1: Justice Alito and this Supreme court's done, is provided a
Speaker 1: license for violence. Because I don't see where else this
Speaker 1: is headed. You tell me, I don't have a good answer,
Speaker 1: you know, where where do we go? It would really
Speaker 1: be nice if we could actually organize and march ten
Speaker 1: million strong to send at least a preliminary signal that
Speaker 1: we will not stand for this. There's something that I
Speaker 1: want to say that I hesitate to say because I'll
Speaker 1: probably live to regret it, but maybe I'll soft pedal it. Everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody else in screams about how if Donald Trump is prosecuted,
Speaker 1: his supporters will take to the streets in violence. I
Speaker 1: don't entirely believe that because his supporters, at their core
Speaker 1: are many of them are are weak human beings. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you know you can only feel strong when you
Speaker 1: have a big, old semi automatic weapons strapped across your
Speaker 1: belly and your your Confederate flag on your chest. That
Speaker 1: tells me you're not a strong human being. You couldn't
Speaker 1: be weaker, right, So, I actually don't believe his supporters
Speaker 1: will put themselves in harm's way because they're soft and
Speaker 1: they're weak. But if you take our democracy away, I'm
Speaker 1: not going quietly. I know that's right. I'm not going
Speaker 1: you know what, we're all gonna go. We're all gonna
Speaker 1: go on what terms. I'm not going to go now. Please,
Speaker 1: that's not a call to violence or a call to arms,
Speaker 1: but what I'm not going to go quietly into some
Speaker 1: Supreme court Hell's escape where women's rights are taken away,
Speaker 1: where you're right to marry is taken away, where you're
Speaker 1: right to contraception is taken away, where you're right to
Speaker 1: something other than separate but equal accommodations is taken away.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not going that way. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not so that maybe all we have left, we organized,
Speaker 1: we march, we let it be known that we're not
Speaker 1: going that way. Oh Glenn, I mean I will say this, Um,
Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right, because I have been saying
Speaker 1: I will. I I will be right alongside you. Because
Speaker 1: I refuse to go quietly into this good night and
Speaker 1: allow these people to drag me back to nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 1: I refuse, I absolutely refuse. And to me, it is
Speaker 1: going to take a mass demonstration of people to say
Speaker 1: I'm not going to work, I'm not going to school,
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere but into the street until our
Speaker 1: democracy is recognized, until these people understand that no minority
Speaker 1: rule is not going to happen here, not again. So
Speaker 1: I don't know justice. Alito canceled all his events, all
Speaker 1: his upcoming in person events. Said, if you're so proud
Speaker 1: of your ninety eight page manifesto, sir, then you should
Speaker 1: stand before the people, stand before your people. I thought
Speaker 1: you were awaiting the cheers ninety eight page manifesto, and
Speaker 1: now he's hiding. They can't hide forever. And that is
Speaker 1: and that is one hundred percent the truth. Glenn. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for always for always making the time
Speaker 1: for us and you know finding a way through. We
Speaker 1: will find a way through because we have to. We
Speaker 1: have literally no other choice. I appreciate you. Thanks, Danielle.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends, here on
Speaker 1: woke app as always, Power to the people and to
Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.