1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know? 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: the podcast. This is Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Bryant 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: is taking a refreshing sip off of a low Craw 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: brand carbonated soda and um. Since he's doing that wearing 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: a plaid short sleep t shirt shirt shirt. Uh, and 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm wearing jeans. That means that this is stuff you 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: should know. That's right. Yeah, that's the formula, the secret formula. 10 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Jeans on you, plaid shirt on me, nothing from the 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: waist down on you. That's socks. Of course, it makes 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: the whole thing so much more unsettling. I think. Still 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: there's nothing. There's not much funnier than socks and shoes 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: on with no pants. Yeah, it's just a homerson. It's 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: always funny. He's nailed it, especially with his pointy little 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: brown shoes. The big road Ton Pubic Mountain. Then he 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: has he's awesome. Umuck, it's been a long time, hasn't it. 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: We we've been out of the office for two weeks. 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Just so people know we're getting back into things, and 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: it's refreshing to do our to do something that we're 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: good at. Ye, yeah, it is some saying. It gives 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: me a sense of control. Um, I feel like we're 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: good at this, Chuck. We know what we're doing, except 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: for maybe the Union's one man. No. I mean it 25 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: was good. All the information was there, but like I 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: I've it sounded like I've had a transorbital lobotomy, like 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: just moments before we started, did you. We'll see, Um, 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: this one is going to be a good one. My friend, 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: remember the tipping episode. It's gonna make that look like poop. Um, 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: we're talking today, Chuck. As I know you know about 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: the possibility of a fat tax. That's right, and it's well, 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: well we'll get to exactly what it is in a second, 33 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: but um, let's talk about why you would even consider 34 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: taxing fat. It seems like, Chuck, there is an obesity 35 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: epidemic in the United States, and not just the United States, 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: but in the western world. We're not the only fatties, 37 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: although we are typically the fattiest of the fatties. Uh yeah, 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: oh yeah, well we're the best in everything by percentage. 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: I think there are more obest people in the States 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: than um elsewhere. Yes, but it is still a problem. 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: It's very prevalent everywhere. When you mean, I went to Japan, 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: she was, she was like, everyone in Japan is so thin. 43 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: Everyone is very thin, They're very small pieces. We went 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, you sure when the last time 45 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: you were here? Um, So, yeah, it's it's everywhere. But 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: they would probably say, like, we're just fat now because 47 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: we're eating American foods. That is what they said, because 48 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: you know what, they're probably right, dude, they're McDonald's makes 49 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: our McDonald's look again like poop. Like they have the 50 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: this thing called the Mega muffin, and it's a an 51 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: egg McMuffin with sausage and like extra egg and it's 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: huge and it's probably the most delicious thing I've ever 53 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: eaten in my life. I'll eat a sausage McMuffin with 54 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: egg right now. And then, well, you can get an 55 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: egg McMuffin with sausage here in the States if you 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: know what to ask for. But it costs you like 57 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: six bucks, but it's worth it, that's true. But anyway, yes, um, 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: the double egg interests me though. Yeah, No, it is true, 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Like it's six bucks easy. Yeah. Um, okay, So in 60 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: the United States, let's throw out some statistics because this 61 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: is where we live. And again, the United States is 62 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: the greatest country in the world when it comes to 63 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: obese people producing the obese um an. Obesity costs the 64 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: US an estimated hundred and fifty billion dollars a year 65 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: UH in healthcare costs. That's a significant amount of meatballs. Yeah, 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: of all medical costs of Medicare, costs are oh during 67 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: the last year of life or due to obesity. This 68 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: AT's significant. Yeah. I thought that was a weird statistic though, 69 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, I thought it was a lot um. 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: That guy, that polster who you're quoting, he was definitely biased. 71 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: It seemed like which I know, but I'm saying, like 72 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: even still, he was like, here's this poll that we 73 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: just conducted, and here's how I feel about it, Mattie. Um, 74 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: so we've got a lot of money being put into 75 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: treating UH diseases that rise from UM obesity. A preventable disease. Well, yeah, 76 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: obesity is considered a chronic disease, which is something that 77 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: can be treated and prevented through behavior modification like shock therapy, 78 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: which costs far less than treating heart disease. That's point one. Um, 79 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: let's see, the costs are expected to rise. And um, 80 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: however you feel about Obamacare, take that off the table, 81 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: put it on the table, take it off the table 82 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: either way. Um, if we don't change the amount of 83 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: money we're putting into care for um, obesity related diseases, 84 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: those costs are gonna go up just because the sheer 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: number of obese people are expected to rise. There's something 86 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: like sevent of Americans are either overweight or obese. Yeah, 87 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: it is a lot, and it's I think more than 88 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: a third of Americans are obese, and obese is a 89 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: body mass index of thirty thirty ms per square meter, right, 90 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: And then they're kind of refining that so it's not 91 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: just weight anymore. It's the amount of fat you have 92 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: on your body. And apparently there's a move toward refining 93 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: that even further, which is how much fat do you 94 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: have on your upper body? Which is the really unhealthy 95 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: stuff out of post? Right, I know I can't gain 96 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: a pound below my waist. I think I'm like my dad. 97 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: I carried all between my my chin and my waistline 98 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: is there? Right? Oh? Yeah, I got skinny little legs. 99 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't get like the big butt that some guys get. 100 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: You know, I've noticed since I've been running, my butt 101 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: has gone up and out a little bit, and I 102 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: guess that's what's supposed to be, but I don't like it. Man, 103 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: I'm self conscious about my bottom now. Um okay, so 104 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: the uh the percentage of obast people in the US, 105 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: chuck UM is supposed to go from about a third 106 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: right at now to forty. That's just not overweight, that's obesie. 107 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: That's creeping up to half the country. That's a lot. 108 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: It's nice to have something to shoot for. So there's 109 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: a lot of UM as a nation. There's a lot 110 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: of reasons that people would start talking king about instituting 111 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: a fat tax. And when we're talking about the fat text, 112 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about this concept that was first UM introduced 113 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: by a Yale psychologist named Kelly D. Brown. Oh yeah, 114 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: the twinkie tax. I hate. Did they throw twinkie on 115 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: any everything? I always do anytime something has to do 116 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: with junk food, they throw twink cancer like the twinkie defense. 117 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: The word twinkie was never uttered during UM the trial. Yeah, 118 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: during the trial, it was all junk food. That was 119 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: a Harvey Milk thing, right, Yeah, it was uh yeah, 120 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: the Dan White trial it was no and he never 121 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: mentioned twinkie, but that was the press. They just put 122 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Twinkie on anything they can't Uh yeah, he's he first 123 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: coined it. And this was back in the New York Times, 124 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: so it's not the newest idea to be floated. Um. 125 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: And there there's some different ways that people have suggested 126 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: that we go about this. He has a couple of proposals. 127 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: One is tax saying seven on unhealthy foods and then 128 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: use that venue to subsidize healthy foods to make it cheaper, 129 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: to make that cheaper less expensive. And the idea behind 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that is what that people just buy unhealthy food because 131 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: it's cheaper because it traditionally is is that I wonder 132 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: if we would find out if that's the case. I 133 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: don't think that's the case. I don't know. I mean, 134 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: I think people buy those foods because they want to 135 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: buy that junk and eat it. I guess it depends 136 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: on what you're talking about though, Like if it's a 137 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: TV dinner, you're looking for dinner and that's super cheap, right, 138 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: So if you if they're healthier alternatives that are cheaper 139 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: than that, then maybe they would go with a healthier alternative. 140 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: But when you want an oreo, you want an oreo. 141 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: But I bet you could get one of them. The 142 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: little Healthy Choice meals for about the same as a 143 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: TV dinner. It was about the same price. I wonder. 144 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: I wonder though, also if proportion has to do with 145 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: it too. I think proportion control is a huge portion. 146 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: Portion proportion. Well, when you're comparing a healthy Choice to 147 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: a hungry man, it's proportion. But uh, and the other 148 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: thing is too though. I mean the Healthy Choice meals 149 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: and those those diet meals White Watchers meals. They are 150 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: lower in um, I guess, like fats and calories and 151 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's still be hard to argue that 152 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: they're healthy. Any kind of like package processed food like 153 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: that is inherently it's not like super healthy. I guess 154 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: you're right, but it's probably better than the hungry man. Well, 155 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: it's like the whole thing with um high freak toast 156 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: corn syrup like sugar. Refined sugar is a healthy comparison 157 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: to it, you know, like um, that whole throwback thing 158 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: that PEPSI did, right, Like that was supposed to be 159 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: better for you, but they used just to refined sugar 160 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: instead of high fruit toast corn syrup. So I wonder 161 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: if what you're saying then is that's along the same lines. 162 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: I guess, well, yeah, and that presents one of the 163 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: problems that we'll get to is how do you if 164 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna do something like this, where do you draw 165 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: the line and how do you attack this? Is it 166 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: just sweets and fatty foods? Or you know, a pint 167 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: of Ben and Jerry's ice cream is made with really 168 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: healthy natural ingredients, but it's full of fat and calor 169 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: eas whereas a healthy choice quote unquote is processed and 170 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: loaded with preservatives, but it's lower in calorie, so it's hinky. 171 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: You present a sticky conunder and how they're going to 172 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: figure this out if it if it ever goes through um. 173 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: So that was the first proposal by Brown l Um 174 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: basically seven percent tax used that the revenue to fund 175 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: or subsidize healthier stuff, right, yeah, and they can actually 176 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how they did this, but Oxford University 177 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: actually put a number of value on how many lives 178 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: a year that could save um, and they claim that 179 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: a seventeen point five percent value added tax um could 180 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: save up to thirty lives a year. And I guess 181 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: that's probably just in England. I'm imagining, right, I believe. 182 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: So there's like England's all over this as well. It's 183 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: a U S and England. Well, Europe is kind of 184 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: moving towards this. But yeah, the studies that we came 185 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: across seem to be mostly British in origin. They love 186 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: their studies every day they do. So that's one one proposal. Um, 187 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: what's the second one? Well, the second one was less aggressive. 188 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: It was basically just um tax a lesser amount onto 189 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: unhealthy food and then funnel that into public education. And 190 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: brown else said that would probably be easier to get 191 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:25,559 Speaker 1: pushed through legislatively, but it would have less of an effect. Yeah, 192 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're gonna do this, and I mean 193 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's a good idea or not. 194 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,239 Speaker 1: I'd rather see cheaper healthy food than some stupid campaign, 195 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, the whole awareness campaign. I have doubts 196 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: about the effectiveness of those things. Well, they have an 197 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: obesity awareness campaign going on, and it's like they're using 198 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: these poor fat kids as models, and it's like, what 199 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: school do you go to? You have to be private 200 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: tutored now because you're literally the poster child for obesity, 201 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: you know. Um. So, you were saying that the Brits 202 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: came up with the the the idea of doing a 203 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: seventeen point five value added team point five percent value 204 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: added tacks. Right, value added taxes Basically like every time 205 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: UM raw material comes into the manufacturing plant, there's a 206 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: tax on that. UM. When the manufacturer finishes the final product, 207 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: sends it to a exporter, there's a tax on that. 208 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 1: Exporter gives it to a distributor, there's a tax on that. 209 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: And ultimately all these taxes build up and are passed 210 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: on to the consumer, right um. And then the savings 211 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: aren't passed on that the taxes to the extra payment. Um. 212 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: So the these these Brits who studied that found that 213 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: if you if you did that seventeen point five percent 214 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: tax and you just did it on foods with saturated fat, 215 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: that it could actually be counterproductive. They modeled it and 216 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: they found that it would drive people to other foods 217 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: and uh yeah like uh and and would have even 218 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: more severe health consequences, right, um. And then what's more, 219 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: here's a big problem too. Um. It would increase food 220 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: costs by about three two. So here's here's here's where 221 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: we reach a really So if you're a liberal, right, 222 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: and you're like, no, we need to we need to 223 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: look out for people. These people don't understand the the 224 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: the consequences of their eating habits, and their diet habits 225 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: are passing me along to their children. We're all gonna 226 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: die at age fifty. Um, So we need this kind 227 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: of tax. And somebody goes, uh, it's it's regressive, so 228 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: it's unfairly taxing the poor, and every liberal just goes 229 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: forget it, just forget it all, never get behind it. 230 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: And that's part of the problem because you know, the 231 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: poor tend to spend a larger percentage of their income 232 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: on food, so if you start taxing food, it's going 233 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: to unfairly hit the poor harder than anybody else. So 234 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: they found the three point two for that, um for 235 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: that one that's just saturated that and they did too 236 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: other models too. Yeah, the one um where they actually 237 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: assign a score rating to your food. Um. And don't 238 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: ask me about the stands for but the ssc G 239 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: three D score. I looked, I couldn't find what it 240 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: stands for super secret. Let's just call it that the 241 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: super secret score. UM. So that basically they're gonna rate 242 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: foods based on UM eight nutrients and a higher score 243 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: is bad if you're if you're a plus eight, then 244 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: you're going to get taxed more. And that would save lives. 245 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: I guess is that a year? Yeah? And then UM 246 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: increase four percent, so even higher increase in food costs, right, 247 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: but it saves lives rather than having more severe negative 248 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: consequences UM. And it's it hits that sweet spot that 249 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: you're looking for the science, right, So, like you could 250 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: run anything conceivably through this algorithm. Doesn't it's blind to 251 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: whether it's lean cuisine or ho hose. It's gonna spit 252 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: out a score, and depending on the score, you get 253 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: taxed or not. That makes a little more sense. It 254 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: does still though four percent increase in UM food UH costs, 255 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: that's significant, it is UH. And then the third one 256 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: was where basically it was they spread the tax among 257 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of different foods, almost half of all foods. 258 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't understand. Yeah, I didn't get 259 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: this one, okay, so um, but what we did. What 260 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: they found was that it saves lives, but it increases 261 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: taxes by about four point six percent. So if you're 262 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: an anglophile and you are into studies and you like 263 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: choosing multiply um, you would probably go with number two. 264 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: I think it makes the most sense, and it should 265 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: everyone else. I was just describing ourselves. Um. Actually, in 266 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: Britain they already do this on some things like ice 267 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: cream and potato chips they mentioned in here, UM already 268 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: have a value out of tacks. And in some states, 269 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: and no, George is not one of them, they tax 270 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: um small taxes on soft drinks and things like that. See. 271 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, because um, I found 272 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: this one. Uh, this one article about Redmond, California, where 273 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: they're talking about adding a one cent per ounce soda 274 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: tax and it says that they would be the first 275 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: city in the country to actually push it through. Yeah, 276 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: well maybe it does. Say California and Maine in Maryland 277 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: had fat taxes UM approved and then repealed. So yeah, 278 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,119 Speaker 1: first sitting in the nation to Levey attack specifically targeting 279 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: soda and sugar laden beverage is interesting. So, but if 280 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: this goes through, it's coming up pretty soon, I guess 281 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: in November. But if it goes through, there's that one 282 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: problem again where it's a regressive tax because it's a 283 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: fixed amount. It's one cent per ounce, and because of that, 284 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: the cheaper the value of an ounce of soda, the 285 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: more percentage you're gonna pay in taxes. Right, So let's 286 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: say you pay a dollar for your generic store brand 287 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: two Leader, that's sixty six or sixty seven ounces, you're 288 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: gonna pay at a cent parounce, you're gonna pay an 289 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: extra sixty seven cents, which is more costs. Yeah, it's 290 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: almost double what you were paying before. And the people 291 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: who are buying that dollar store brand two Leader are 292 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: probably people who can afford the dollar, right exactly. Now, 293 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: if you do a twelve pack or something like that, um, 294 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: and it's a hundred and forty four ounces, but a 295 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: twelve packs already like six bucks, that's only an extra 296 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: dollar forty four. That's only like or something like that 297 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: added tax rather than sixties. So that's why they say 298 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: regressive taxes are usually unfairly burdening to the poor. Yeah, 299 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: that makes sense. I see Uh, well, I see it 300 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: all the time. Let's just say that you do. I 301 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: used to work in in the convenience store, and so 302 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: I had a a good eye on who was buying 303 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: what and what kind of snacks people ate and stuff 304 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: like that. I was amazed to find when I worked in, um, 305 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,959 Speaker 1: a gas station, that people cho white clay. Excuse me, 306 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: they chew white clay. I don't know what that means. 307 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: You've not seen white clay. Look around next time you're 308 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: in a gas shitch, and especially out in the sticks, 309 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: there'll be a little cell of fame bag with like 310 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: the little paper hanger, you know, like you buy like 311 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: gummy worms or whatever in like that. But um, it's 312 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: a food. It is not a food item. It's clay, 313 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: and people chew it. Apparently it's um it's like a 314 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: folk tradition among pregnant women to chew clay. But people 315 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: have like this kind of craving for it as well, 316 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: and they sell this in convenient story. I never knew that. Yeah, 317 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: that one always, that's a good one. I'm gonna be 318 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 1: in the lookout now. Um. So we've talked about all 319 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: the reasons why you should do this, right, Yes, it 320 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: seems like this would have all been pushed through if 321 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: there weren't some sort of opposition to the concept of 322 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: fat taxes like Tony Blair Oh yeah, for instance, in 323 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: two thousand four he called that a sign of a 324 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: nanny state, and basically that kind of sums it um. 325 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: Critics will argue that, you know, this is like the 326 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: government once again legislating something in you're a personal decision 327 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: you want to make, which is, you know what if 328 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: I want to eat twinkies and get fat and dive 329 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: a heart attack at forty it's my right because I 330 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: love those twinkies. It makes a really good case like 331 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: who who is the government to tell you you shouldn't write? Um. 332 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: There is a really good argument on the other side 333 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: that often comes from the same side, though, which is, 334 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: m if we as a society have to pay for 335 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: your health care, then yeah, you we do have a 336 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: stake in telling you, you know, you can't eat that twinkie, 337 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, we agree. We can't tell you not to 338 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: eat that twinkie, but we can make you think twice 339 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: about it by raising the price of it. Well, and 340 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: they're in brings up the third model, which is not 341 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: to tax food but too um make people pay more 342 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: for something like insurance if they're obese. The the text 343 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: the person and not the item. Yeah, which is probably 344 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: the more diabolical model of the of the others. Uh yeah, 345 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: but it's also like I get that, but it's also 346 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: at least it singles out the the problem. Like although 347 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: some people might say the problem is the existence of 348 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: the twinkie, but they don't. But but the critics will 349 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: say no. But you know what, if you're super healthy 350 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: and you like to indulge the twinkie every now and then, 351 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: there is nothing wrong with the existence of twinkies. Check 352 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: that was hypothetical, right, you know what I'm saying. But 353 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: like you can't like if you love you this tax 354 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: on junk food and I'm a marathon runner that once 355 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: a week, I love my my Reese's cup. Why should 356 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: I have to pay more money on that because a 357 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: larger person eats some five times a day. See. I 358 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: disagree with that though, because think about it, man, Like, 359 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: like who's really paying for that that extra tax? Todd 360 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: the larger person who eats them any times a day, 361 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: or you who eats them once a week. It's like, 362 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: buck up and pay the extra forty cents and shut up. 363 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: We're trying to deal with something over here. Go run 364 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: your marathon. That that's what I have to say to 365 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: that person. Um, as far as it goes within the 366 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: obese person, who when you are faced with that idea 367 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: of having to pay more for that Reese's, there's no 368 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: sweet spot. As bad as economists want to be able 369 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: to say, this is the point where everyone will stop 370 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: paying for Reese's and stop eating them. It's the same 371 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: with gas. No one has any idea. You can take 372 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: the average of all this, but it's really different for everybody. 373 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: So that's one of the big challenges is how much 374 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: do you raise? UM. So, if you take a way 375 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: the the idea that that's going to change behavior, it 376 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: might not. It might just mean that people are going 377 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 1: to have to shell out more money, which sucks. Um. Well, 378 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: what happened with smoking? Did people? Well, that is less 379 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: when they started taxing the cred out of that did 380 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: a really good example of how you can successfully tax 381 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: unhealthy stuff um and change people's behavior. So that it 382 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: did work. But they think about what a pack of 383 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: cigarettes cost today compared to ten years ago. It's like 384 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: I think in in say New York, it's probably about 385 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: twelve times more than before. Um, I know, like almost 386 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: overnight after the tobacco settlement was settled, tobacco prices doubled 387 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: just from the added tax. But uh, tobacco use has 388 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: gone down, like went down like from like two seven 389 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: due to the price, or they believe it's due to 390 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: the price, probably also due to public education, but really 391 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: they were educating the public before than anyway. So yes, 392 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: they think that it has to do with the the 393 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: fact that the tobacco Settlement led to just ridiculously higher 394 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: taxes and still continues to. So you can say that 395 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: there's a model that Okay, if you just keep adding 396 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: more and more and more money in the form of 397 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: attacks to this item, eventually everybody's going to fall off, right, 398 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: you will reach that point where no one will pay 399 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: that any longer. What we were talking about, where where 400 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: you're actually taxing the consumer. That's different. That's saying I'm 401 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: whether you eat terribly or not until you get down 402 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: to a certain what body mass index or whatever. Um, 403 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: you have to pay more for health insurance. I almost 404 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: feel like it should be the other way around, like 405 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: car insurance, like you get breaks if you're a good driver, 406 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: like maybe if set up in centiplans, if you lose weight, 407 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: then you get lower costs, right, be nice to lower 408 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: costs for a change, it would be, But it's ultimately 409 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: the same thing. It's just a different way of looking 410 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: at it. The people who aren't losing weight or paying 411 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: they're paying more than other people. But I see what 412 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 1: you're saying. It's starting out at level and then um, 413 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: people who are better at something get or who do 414 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: well pay less. Yeah, it's it seems fair. There's some problems, 415 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: so like how do you how do you keep track 416 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: of that, keep track of the individual? Yeah? And yeah, 417 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean how often can do you have to Like, 418 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: if you lose a significant amount of weight, do you 419 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: go in and say, hey, I need a letter from 420 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: you saying like I can get a reduction in my 421 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: insurance now because I've hit this goal or whatever. You know, 422 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: run it through your doctor and you know, have a 423 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: have a standardized form where they take certain measurements and 424 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to apply and 425 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: get the cheaper rates, then it's up to you to 426 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: get those sheets filled out and turn them in every 427 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: six months. I think you may have just all the 428 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: big problem that makes sense to me. Well, um, in 429 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: Japan they're doing something like that. It's called the Matabo 430 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: program uh where every year everybody goes in for an 431 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: annual check up anyway, and they do it through their employer. 432 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: They added some sort of like body mass index measurement 433 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: now too. You know, there's like for the person there's 434 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: no financial steak in losing weight or getting a target weight, um, 435 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of societal and peer pressure from 436 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: their employer who's getting pressured from their city or county 437 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: or town which is getting hit financially for for X 438 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: number of people that are not losing weight. Um. So 439 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: they're using like this societal pressure to pressure people because 440 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: the Japanese no shame. And we'll see that was that 441 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: would work for me because I'm overweight. And if I 442 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: guarantee you if every time they rang up something, if 443 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: a a little speaker at the regishore went fat tax, 444 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: fat tax, like stop buying those things or I would 445 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, find out a way to get them on 446 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: the black market. Well, I think a lot of people 447 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: wouldn't for sure. Yeah, that would shame me that that's 448 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: what they should do. I'm amending my previous statement, they 449 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: should have a computer voice that yells out fat decks 450 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: every time you buy something fat. Why not just combine 451 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: both of those. Let's combine boat, because then I think 452 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: you have a powerhouse. Mother. And this is coming from 453 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: the guy it's like thirty pounds overweight. Sometimes we have 454 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: the best ideas. I can tell you, though, seeing um 455 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: like on a um like a restaurant's menu board, seeing 456 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: the calories next to it, that definitely has an effect 457 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 1: on my behavior for sure. Ah apparently anyway, it's not 458 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 1: like but seeing it, like, yeah, that's really nine calories. 459 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't feel like that right now. Yeah, I guess, 460 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: so it doesn't for me. I guess I'm never fooling 461 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: myself into thinking that that fried chicken doesn't have that 462 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 1: many calories, but maybe seeing it, Yeah, I get you. Yeah, 463 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: I guess if I think about it, I'm like, well, yeah, 464 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: fried chicken has that many lari But you think about 465 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: it if you see it. Yeah, Okay, So what do 466 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: what do Americans sink? If you believe this pole One 467 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: in three believed that obese people should pay more taxes 468 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: than healthy weight people, and this is conducted by the 469 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 1: Phalanx Investment Partners LLC. Uh and uh, boy, he's got 470 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 1: a lot of he asked a lot of questions in here, 471 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of stats. Um, he does find 472 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: an interesting and I two that, uh, the obese could 473 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: garner support by Americans where overweight. So what that means 474 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: is thirty of overweight people or even saying yes they 475 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: should be tax or they should pay more for health care. 476 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: It makes he used the terrible, terrible analogy, Um, should 477 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: we allow short sighted or nearsighted people to become lion tamers? 478 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: And he's he's basically impairing that. But that kind of 479 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: um brings up a larger question like is this habit? 480 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: Is it just poor habits and poor eating behavior eating patterns? 481 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: And if so, then yeah, this guy can make a 482 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: pretty good case that, yeah, we need to break people's 483 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: bad eating habits, especially if they're passing them along to 484 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: their kids. Well. Interestingly, younger people responded generally uh more 485 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: in favor of taxing food more than older adults, and 486 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 1: people of higher income responded more positively to a fat 487 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: tax quote unquote yeah then obviously people with a lower income, 488 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, wholesome weight terrible that I didn't mean that 489 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: like that. So this is all kind of theoretical right here. 490 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, what, Richmond, California might have a one sense 491 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: soda tax, but they'd be the only city with that. 492 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: Other places have tried at New York tried the same thing, um, 493 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: but apparently the soda come Benese shouted it down as 494 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: a um naked money grab, cleverly disguised as a health policy. 495 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: That's sad. It sucks from lobbyists get their meat hooks 496 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: and stuff, um and things like money grab. But if 497 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: you go to Hungary or Denmark, hungry is it's awesome 498 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: that they have a fat tax because of the country's name. 499 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: But um, if you go to Hungary, your Denmark, um, 500 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: there are fat taxes instituted there. Hungry has one that's 501 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: like a flat thirty point thirty seven euro tax um 502 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: on anything that's unhealthy. And I'm not quite sure what 503 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: the parameters are, but basically dunk food what we consider here. 504 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: And then Denmark just instituted something to where um they 505 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: tax saturated fats in um foods to the tune of 506 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: like sixteen kroner a kilogram, which comes out to be 507 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: like a dollar twenty nine a pound and then divide 508 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: it up and they take into account not just what 509 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: ends up in the end result of the fat, but 510 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: how much fat is also put in and maybe lost 511 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: along the way. Interesting, So they're really going after it. Yeah, 512 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: I like. I like the companies that incentivized, like our 513 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: own Discovery Channel will pay for half of your stomach 514 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: stapling gym membership. Uh, which is great, Like make a 515 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: little cheaper to join the gym. Can't make you go 516 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: to the gym, but you feel like a sucker when 517 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: you're paying to go to the gym and don't go 518 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: to the gym. I forgot that they'll do that. I 519 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: need to take them up on that. Oh yeah, dude, 520 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: it's once you just missed the deadline. But it's a 521 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: quarter your gym membership for you any me? Really? Yeah, wow, 522 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: that's great. I totally forgot about that. And it's not 523 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: the most money in the world, but a few shekels 524 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: makes you feel good. Yeah. I will definitely take them 525 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: up and thank you for reminding me each other. Well, 526 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: next time my reminder pops up, I'll remind you. How 527 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: about that, I'll go start it today. Um let's see. 528 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: But yes, please do remind me, just because it will 529 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: make me feel good that you remember. Um, I guess 530 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: that's about it. Bat taxes, they're all over the place 531 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: in Europe. They're spreading their their way west. Yeah. Maybe 532 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: let's see. If you want to learn more about the 533 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: proposals for the fat tax, you can type in fat 534 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: tax and the search part at how stuff works dot com. 535 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: That will bring up an article written by Jeopardy winner 536 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: Jacob Silverman. Yeah, Jacob, I watched all three of those shows. 537 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: He won twice. He won three times before. Right, Well, 538 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: he's coming back. They had to suspend for like they do, 539 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: like the tournament or something. Huh, so he'll be back 540 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: at some point to continue his run. That is awesome. Yeah, 541 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: and I never even knew the guy, but um, he 542 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: was really nice to me when I first got hired, Like, 543 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: uh we he emailed me a bunch and kind of 544 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: like helped me out early on. And then I saw 545 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: him on tvails Like so that's what Jacob Silverman woks like, 546 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: Oh you never saw him high. I never even saw him. 547 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was a neat guy. Um yeah, we'll congret. 548 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: Listen to Jacob. Also, if you want to learn about 549 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: b D d Um. You can type in into the 550 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: search bar and that will bring up an article by M. E. 551 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: E UM. And I said searchbar in there somewhere, which 552 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: means it's time for listener mail. So Chuck, sorry, I 553 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: know that normally we should be doing listener mail here, 554 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: but let's let's tell everybody something, okay, So um iTunes 555 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: it's cool enough to say, hey, guys, what entertainment podcast 556 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: is your favorite entertainment you said? They put in quotes, um, 557 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: and uh they there's us. There's competition. Stiff dude, US, 558 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: Ted Talks, Discovery News, Um, Freakonomics, Radio Lab, Radio Lab Dude. 559 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: We're up against Radio Lab right now? Um? Is that 560 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: all of them? I don't want to leave anybody out. 561 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: Very great podcast I can't remember, but yeah, we're up 562 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: against some heavy hitters, so we are so um. They 563 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: created a poll on the iTunes Facebook page. So you 564 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: can go to iTunes on Facebook and if you look 565 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: on their wall and go down, UM, let's see I 566 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: don't know a few posts. You're gonna see that that 567 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: you know, what entertainment podcasts do you like the most? Right? 568 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: You can go vote for us if you want. Indeed, 569 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: that would be very nice. We think that would be 570 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: sweet if you did. If not, it's cool. We you're 571 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: listening anyway, We know you like us, and we won't 572 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: extort anything from you. Um, but if you're having trouble 573 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: finding it, here's the U R l H T T 574 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: P S colon slash slash www dot facebook dot com. 575 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: You should probably go get a pain. Wait is that 576 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: in the oral okay slash questions? That's plural slash one 577 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: zero one five one zero one five zero seven one 578 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: two four five eight zero three slash. That's right, And 579 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: you can go vote for us if you want to 580 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: vote for us. You can also go vote for Ted Talk. 581 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: You can vote for whoever you want. But we just 582 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: think it was a nice thing that they did, and 583 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: we'd about to be featured and oh yeah we left 584 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: that part out. Whoever wins gets featured on the iTunes 585 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: home page on June. Yeah. Anyway, good check it out 586 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: and if you're if you're unfamiliar with iTunes, check that 587 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: out too. Um, Josh, I'm gonna call this uh pediatrician. 588 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: Uh follow up with Marinol. Remember in our Medical Marijuana podcast, 589 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: we talked about the synthetic pill Marin all that you 590 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: can get a prescription for guys. I'm a huge fan, 591 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: and I even followed and said hi to Josh once 592 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: in Macy's Atlenox Malling. Oh yeah, yes, yes, you know 593 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: this guy. I remember that guy. Yeah, Jimmy, Jimmy the doctor. 594 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: I didn't realize Jimmy was a pediatrician. He is. By 595 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: the way, I had a fan encounter at uh the 596 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 1: grocery store without my tooth in the other day, to 597 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: embarrassing No, I like, I don't think you noticed, but 598 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: I think I came across as odd because I was 599 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: acting real funny because I didn't have my tooth then 600 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: I didn't want to smile real big, so I was 601 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: kinda like, nice to meet you. Anyway. I'm a huge 602 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: fan from Jimmy, and I was particularly interested in Chuck's 603 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: hesitancy and saying he had taken a Mariano pilled before, 604 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: since it's a legitimate prescription drug. H While one doesn't 605 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: normally associate medical marijuana with the under eighteen year old crowd, 606 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: the use of marianal is not uncommon. Actually in our 607 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: pediatric oncology patients undergoing chemotherapy, and we use it as 608 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: a second or third line of anti nasea drug. However, 609 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: in children who are unresponsive to those medications, marian All 610 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: is safe and awful, highly effective alternative. That being said, 611 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: you'd be surprised at the number of parents who are 612 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: hesitant or who even blatantly refused to allow their child 613 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: to take mayor and all because of the stigma associated 614 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: with it being quote from marijuana. Uh. This normally leads 615 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: into a conversation describing the fact that many of our 616 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: medicines are created based off of street drugs. Like you 617 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: guys mentioned the derivation of the very commonly used morphine 618 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: from heroin. I'd say fifty to sixty in the time 619 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: we can convince the parent to allow us to help 620 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: their child. However, again, it's certainly not uncommon for them 621 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: to refuse. It's incredibly frustrating, let me tell you, especially 622 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: when a child is clearly suffering because of their parents hardheadedness. 623 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: But we ultimately have to respect their opinions and their wishes. UH. 624 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: Doctors who house he doesn't respect anybody's opinions or wishes. 625 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: He just hammers through the best treatment he can think of. 626 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: I just thought you guys may find that aspect of 627 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: the social stigma associated with mayor and all. Uh interesting, 628 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: thanks for doing the topic. It's when that comes up 629 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: frequently in my circles, and that is Dr Jimmy. Thanks 630 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: Dr Jimmy. I totally we remember you. That was that. 631 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: That was nice. That made my day that one time. UM. 632 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: Umi was very impressed. Yeah, and uh, let's see, UM, 633 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: if you have an opinion on the fat attacks, I'm 634 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: sure there are plenty. I'm pretty sure we would get 635 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: them even without asking, but let's go ahead and ask. 636 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: Make sure everybody feels comfortable telling us what they think. UM, 637 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: be nice, but we want to hear about it. 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