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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show Speed Everywhere You Turn

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Speaker 1: TV Internet. If it had anything to do with the

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Speaker 1: scouting combine, it dealt with how fast this year's group

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Speaker 1: of draft prospects ran the forty But how much does

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Speaker 1: it really matter? Other takeaways from the just completed combine. First, though,

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Speaker 1: just how many hours did Mike Jarecki watch of the

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Speaker 1: coverage over the weekend. It's Cardinals Covered two, Episode five

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Speaker 1: All right, what was the number? How many hours of

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Speaker 1: the scouting combine did you watch from Thursday to Sunday? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so I watched on Thursday, I watched on Friday, and

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Speaker 1: then Saturday morning I made a trip up to Sedona

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Speaker 1: attending a friend's wedding and then I made sure that

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Speaker 1: I got up early on Sunday to get back. Now

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Speaker 1: all of these workouts, they don't happen to the afternoon,

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Speaker 1: so and now the NFL network will run them over

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Speaker 1: and over and over. So you know, I was looking

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Speaker 1: at certain positions, you know, clearly wide receiver. Let me wait,

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Speaker 1: so Saturday the workouts that you missed, did your DVR

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Speaker 1: it to go back or you're just gonna wait for

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Speaker 1: the replays in the coming days. I'm just gonna wait

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Speaker 1: for the replays. Yeah, So, but I was I watched

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Speaker 1: certain positions. Yeah, I mean, I'm always interested. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get some of the you know what happened

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Speaker 1: and we transpired. But I just everything I'm hearing again,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a really deep draft at offensive tackle, edge rusher, cornerback,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if we're going to have a

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Speaker 1: defensive alignment at interior get drafted in the first round. Wow,

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Speaker 1: Now that would go against the norm. And you know,

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Speaker 1: teams are looking for that interior defensive tackle, someone who

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Speaker 1: Going well, I think right now, there could be seven

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Speaker 1: edge rushers that go in the first round. Seven And

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Speaker 1: then you're throwing these tackles offensive tackles. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying there's not quality guards out there in center, but

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not as deep as the tackles. And

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Speaker 1: it takes is one team. And if teams have multiple picks,

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously they'll have more you know, bites at

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Speaker 1: if you're a team that's looking for a run stuffer,

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Speaker 1: know how many nose tackles or defensive tackles are going

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Speaker 1: to go early in the draft. And then obviously the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position, we may not see one until number twelve. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I was told that somebody I know talked to Ron

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Speaker 1: So they went after Russell Wilson. But so does Carolina

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Speaker 1: I do think four quarterbacks are going to get drafted

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Speaker 1: from twelve to thirty two. You know how this works.

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Speaker 1: It's always I don't know, there's not a top tier quarterback.

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Speaker 1: There's not a Joe Burrow, there's not a Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the scout in Combine, Oh,

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Speaker 1: what's the flex forty guy? I can see that. Well.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. I like that story. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: shared that here. On Cardinals cover two, presented by Honday,

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. You mentioned forty times,

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Speaker 1: and to me that was the biggest takeaway and looking

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Speaker 1: out late Sunday, fastest combine since two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about forty times saw the fastest group of

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Speaker 1: defensive backs. The average forty time was four point seven

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Speaker 1: one fastest ever. There were thirty one players who ran

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Speaker 1: sounds good, I've made it very clear here I don't

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Speaker 1: care about your forty time because tell me the next time. Really,

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Speaker 1: the first time in the National Football League that a

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, DK Metcalf, he's fast. Great, that's one playout

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Speaker 1: is sixteen games, seventeen games. So this fascination and correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But this fascination with forty times, MJ.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't get it. Yet every single year

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Speaker 1: in the late round. You just hope maybe he's on

428
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: your practice squad. But that's where that's where you know.

429
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: Free agency comes in. Trades come in undrafted free agents.

430
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: So that's how I mean there's different ways to build

431
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: the roster. But the next thing on the on tap

432
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: is free agency and then the draft. Now there's one website,

433
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: Walter Mitchell dot com, and he puts a lot of

434
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: stuff out there, and he did say that Cardinals met

435
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: with Burks from Arkansas, the wide receiver six three two

436
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: twenty five Treylon Burks. He also said they met with

437
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: Malik Willis now telling you, man, if if you're allowed

438
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: to interview thirty guys, yes, why wouldn't you interview him?

439
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: Because down the road, Actually I went back and it's

440
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: it's you can have thirty visits here to the facility,

441
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: but in Indianapolis you can have up to forty five

442
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: different prospects. Okay, each lasting up to eighteen minutes. And

443
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: if you're if you're telling me that one of the

444
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: forty five slots was quack, this is what I mean again,

445
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: I Kyler Murray's a starting quarterback. But I'm just saying,

446
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just you know, the guy has a

447
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: live arm. I mean, who knows what's going to happen

448
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: in five years? I mean again, forty five guys, you

449
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: can bring thirty dinner facility, right, Yeah. Kingsbury on the

450
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee show, which I want to touch on here

451
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: momentarily because fascinating conversation see Kingsbury in a whole new light.

452
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: But Kingsbury mentioned that he called a thirty visit where

453
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: you bring in a player up to thirty into town,

454
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: go to dinner. You know, you kind of get to

455
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: know the player a little bit more. At the combine,

456
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: it's more interview, it's more informal. You don't you know,

457
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: everything is these prospects are you get them hots, You

458
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: get them for fifteen minutes and they're taught to answer questions.

459
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: But if you get them out of that element and

460
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: you bring them to the facility, you spend more quality time,

461
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: especially out to dinner. Maybe you get to know them

462
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: a little bit better beneath the surface as opposed to

463
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: just you can just see their manners. If you take

464
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: them to dinner, you know, how are they approaching, how

465
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: they're eating? Is thank you and all that. But the

466
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: good news is the following day you can bring them

467
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: here and whatever position they play, you're obviously going to

468
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: have a conversation with the coordinator. And the position coach,

469
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: and hey, let's go to the chalkboard. Let's let's go

470
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: watch the film together. Tell me what you were doing here.

471
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 1: So now you now you try to figure out how

472
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,400
Speaker 1: does Hee process information? So you get him up out

473
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: of his comfort zone. You know, you're taking them to dinner,

474
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: wilee and down wine and dine them. But the key

475
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: is to get him in the building and get him,

476
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, to a point where hey, let's watch your

477
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: film last year. Oh, this is a great play. What

478
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: about this play? And then all of a sudden, now

479
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: he can the person process information. So it's a lot

480
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: of it's a lot of detailed and at the end

481
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: of the day, they only have eight draft picks. Now

482
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: they could get some of these guys as undrafted free agents,

483
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: which we know based on the history of this team,

484
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 1: you can make to the roster. Trey Lin Burke's sixty

485
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: three out of Arkansas one of those players that Daniel

486
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: Jeremiah during his media availability prior to the draft Combine

487
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: mentioned when asked about the Cardinals and wide receivers, that

488
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: pick number twenty three, and that's someone who's bigger sixty three.

489
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Speaker 1: Maybe you can do something on the outside and the

490
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: other thing I doesn't get talked enough about, but I

491
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: know stuff kind of leaks out after the fact. And

492
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: which team met with which prospect. Again, you're doing your homework.

493
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't try to connect dots. That's just me speaking

494
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Covered two presented by Hyundai, probably partner

495
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, because you're gonna hear, oh, the

496
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals met with this defensive back, this running back, or

497
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: to your point, purportedly they met with Polique Willis, which

498
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: is interested in a whole different conversation. But to try

499
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: to figure out all they met with that player, that

500
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: must have them mean they have interest, could be or

501
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: they're just trying to figure out. Hey, let's sit down now.

502
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: You're not gonna waste these forty five slots that you

503
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: have in Indianapolis or the thirty that you can bring

504
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 1: to Tempe. So you don't want to bring someone in

505
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: that you have no interest in. It would seem silly.

506
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: But again, you're relying on someone to getting information from

507
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: an agent or a team, and we know, and it's

508
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: already begun through the draft. There's gonna be a lot

509
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: out there. How much of it is true, how much

510
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: it is spin how much is it a team or

511
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: an agent wanting certain information out there to either help

512
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: their own client or in the case if it's a

513
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: team leaking something, Hey, we want to try to either

514
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: increase the stock of this player or maybe push them

515
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: down to where we are later in the first round,

516
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: or maybe we can sneak them into the second round

517
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: or the third round. So I'd be very very careful

518
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: what comes out, either spoken or written when it comes

519
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: to draft prospects here in twenty twenty. Well, the website

520
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: they actually go back to the East West Shrine Game,

521
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: which I know that Drew Grigson went to the NFL

522
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: PA game and it was a close proximity. He went

523
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: to the East West Shrine Game. And you can talk

524
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: to players on the side. I mean, guys, have you

525
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 1: start building relationship. They've been scouting these guys for three

526
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: years and then the Senior Bowl after practice, anybody can

527
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: meet with each other. So they have done. They have done,

528
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: and I they only have two guys listen for the Cardinals.

529
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: I went to the Falcons and I looked at the names.

530
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: They got the same two guys Cardinals interviewed. And then

531
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: I go to the next team the same Pittsburgh. They

532
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: looked at the receiver and they met with Will's too,

533
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: So they only have two names mentioned with the Cardinals.

534
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: I go to other teams like fifteen to eighteen and

535
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: it's the same names. And to me, that tells me

536
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: that's an agent. That's an agent wanting to get their

537
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: clients name out there. Hey, look how many teams are interested?

538
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this player out of whatever college. I don't

539
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 1: want to throw names out there. I think that to

540
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: me is an agent pushing their clients or clients because

541
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: if it's the same names, yeah, well and that you

542
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: can connect the dots well, and we've done it. When

543
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: you get a chance to talk like we did it

544
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: with Bosa, Hey did you meet with the Cardinals? And

545
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: usually but by the time we get to talk to

546
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: the player that they've already had these interviews. Yes, do

547
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: you want to be the first pick in the draft?

548
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: He said, Yes, we talked to um Andrew Thomas. Did

549
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: you meet with the Cardinals? They really liked him, Beckton. Yes,

550
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: the difference there is and I think that became fun

551
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: because you had a top five pick. In that case,

552
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: it was number one, and it becomes a little bit more,

553
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more fun from our perspective and fans

554
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: to say, all right, well you got a five, you

555
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: got a top five picker in this case number one,

556
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: so you know you're gonna narrow it down to a

557
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: handful of players. Well, there was a report to Cardinals

558
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: man with the assue running back White, oh Rashad White, right.

559
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: And I also saw that they reportedly met with Chase Lucas. Yes,

560
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: Chase Luke another and to me, those great and exactly

561
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: And to me, you can bring those guys in as

562
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: much as you want because they're locally. I mean, you

563
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: could put Chase on it because I thought he would

564
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: have a better see. Obviously the cloud hanging over the program,

565
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: he still has the measurables. I don't know if we're

566
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: going to see a sun devil, maybe one of the linemen,

567
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: but I think we're looking at day three guys in Chase,

568
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: Lucas and White. By the way, props to Arizona State.

569
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance. I think we may be

570
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: hinted at it, but they had what eight players in Indianapolis,

571
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Georgia had what I think eight players or maybe a

572
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: little bit more, but the most in the pack twelve

573
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: they had. Georgia had the most, maybe eleven, but then Michigan.

574
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: They were tied with Michigan and maybe even Texas. And

575
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna see Jimbo Fisher. You're gonna see a lot

576
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: of Texas, A and m guys because he's one of

577
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the best recruiters in the country and now he's getting

578
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: guys in a pro place because he's playing in the SEC.

579
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: The scouting combine provides so much information and maybe a

580
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: little misinformation when you try to figure out you know

581
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: who's reporting who and what. Joe Banner who he used

582
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: to be the GM. He did a really nice job

583
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, but he does he does. I think it's

584
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: thirty three or thirty three thirty third team. They're okay

585
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: dot com right, Yes, he says. If anybody tells you

586
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: that this your team is drafting this player, they don't

587
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. They haven't even set their

588
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: draft board yet. Now scouts like to get their names

589
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: out there because they want to be gms. They want

590
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: to be player personnel. I got news for you. Scouts

591
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: aren't making the picks. They write up the report. Yes,

592
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 1: they're own meetings, but on draft day, it's four or

593
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: five guys. Even coaches are other than there. I mean, now,

594
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: Darren picks, I'll go down there and say, Evans, what

595
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: do you think. We've got three guys on the board.

596
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Where do you think? But scouts aren't making the picks.

597
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: And the reason why I don't really follow mock drafts.

598
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: They're not making the picks on draft day. They do

599
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: a great job. They have more research and they're doing

600
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: the you know, the Kuypers and mcshay's and Jeremiah Maya

601
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: a lot. This is what they do for a living.

602
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: So I trust their value, but I don't. I mean, yes,

603
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: they may talk to a Scott, Oh we really like

604
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: this guy, Well, come drafted. That guy could be off

605
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: the board. That's why, so don't. Now free agency is

606
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: a little different because every GM is their agents are there.

607
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: Now the Cardinals are talking to their own free agents,

608
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: and during that conversation, if you have somebody else, hey,

609
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: I mean you really can't start negotiating into a certain period.

610
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of conversation. Now, those those guys

611
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: will will eventually, you know, Schefter or Rappaport or Tom

612
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: poul Sero or Mike um Garifolo. They'll start to get

613
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: some win from agents. Hey we got three teams interesting us.

614
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of conversation that take place at

615
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: the combine in the corner. Sometimes they'll go to it,

616
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: they'll run, they'll run an extra room just so that

617
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: nobody can see them talking. So that's where the seeds planet.

618
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: So that's why when free agency starts and we get

619
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: that seventy two hour or forty bam. These these things

620
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: have been discussed. Now it's a matter of pend of paper. Agree.

621
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: They agree in principle until you take a physical. But

622
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: I just think the combine, it's it's one besides the

623
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, and that kind of gets caught get lost

624
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: in the shuffle Pro Bowl unless you got players there,

625
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: it's not but the NFL Combine, it's an NFL mecca.

626
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: Every general manager, every head coach. I was Mike, I

627
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: saw Michael build will in the building. He relies on

628
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: those guys being there. Doesn't mean he couldn't go in

629
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: there for a meeting. You got every head, every position coach,

630
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: you have every scout there, and then you have the

631
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: national media. You have the ESPN's the NFL networks, and

632
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: it's really about sharing information. You remember when you went

633
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: there and we're talking about possibly Nick Bosa or Quentin Williams,

634
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: and I think it was Albert Brewer and we were

635
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: interviewing him and he walked into at scouting combine thinking

636
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta go defense. You've got your quarterback

637
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: in Josh Rose. And we exited Indianapolis later in the

638
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: week going wow, there's about a ninety percent chance of

639
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: taking Kyle Murray and just gonna turn this thing upside down.

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Speaker 1: But if we weren't there, yeah, I mean eventually, because

641
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: both Beer and Peter King are right in their columns

642
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: now and they do a great job. I mean, this

643
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: is what they do for a living. It's just like

644
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: we do. But it's it's it's just gathering information. It's

645
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: a it's an information gatherer. And we got a chance

646
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: to interview like Field Yates and Pete Prisco, we had

647
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: mac On there, we had Eneas Williams. It's just it's

648
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Speaker 1: great to be there, just to be part of it.

649
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Speaker 1: But it seems like over the last couple of years

650
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: has not been the same though, and there is talk

651
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: that potentially one more year in Indianapolis or maybe they

652
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: can make long term arrangements. You know that the teams

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Speaker 1: like in indian Indianapolis because it's centrally located. Everything is

654
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: right there. You don't have to go outside. The facilities

655
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: are top notch. Yet Dallas would love to have it.

656
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Los Angeles would love to have it. But does it

657
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: make sense. You know, it's become a TV events more

658
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: than anything. But with the information gathering for general managers

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00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: and scouts, you know, they don't want to be in

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Speaker 1: a car and having to, you know, waste twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five thirty minutes to get from one place to another.

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00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: In Indianapolis, everything's within you know, a couple of minutes

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Speaker 1: because you can walk from one event to the other

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Speaker 1: back to your hotel room without even going outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because because usually the weather sometimes you can just get

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Speaker 1: snow there. Obviously it's it's February, but the crosswalks, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like Vegas where you don't have to

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Speaker 1: go out outside, you just keep walking. Now, I always

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Speaker 1: thought it would stay there because of the hospital, but

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Speaker 1: now they bring in and they always have. They bring

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Speaker 1: in these semi trucks and you can give a cat

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Speaker 1: skin an mri Well Jerry Jones is gonna want this, okay,

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00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: and he'll have it at the Star or wherever. But

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00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean how many hotels are around there?

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00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Because basically every team stays right within the facility, right

676
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: by the Lucas Oil Stadium and then the Convention Center.

677
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: So you literally wake up, take a shower, take the

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00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: elevator down, and they show Belichick and everyone walking in

679
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: to watch. So I think the logistics would be different.

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Speaker 1: But now that sounds like these these semi trucks they

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Speaker 1: travel so Jerry can have ten out there. It's become like,

682
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Speaker 1: for how many years was the draft in New York

683
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: City and now it's moving around. Teams bid on it.

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00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: It's a thing that they can hang their hat on

685
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: because it's that the draft has become so much larger

686
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: than just a day, two days, three days in X city.

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00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: It's become now where the entire NFL gathers, and you

688
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Speaker 1: can make it into a community event, not just for

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Speaker 1: those three days, but the day's leading up to the draft.

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00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: Bring the prospects into town, let them walk around, take

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Speaker 1: part in events, and then all of a sudden, those

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00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: three days become five or six days. And that's what's

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00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: going to happen in Vegas and in Indianapolis. Now they've

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Speaker 1: hosted final fours, they've hosted national champion. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a great especially for college sports when it

696
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: comes to the you know, March madness. But it's also

697
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: a generator of money for them. I mean, so they

698
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: would hate to lose it. And I'm sure you know

699
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: the old Guard, they would just want to keep going

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Speaker 1: back to Indianapolis because it's it's it's what you know,

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00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: it's routine. Now, yeah, exactly, everyone has their day's night's

702
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Speaker 1: plan because they've been there a year in and year out. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will say this though, they started letting fans in,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know how that's going to make the

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Speaker 1: old school because they got music going on, and the

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00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: fans are there, and these guys are running a forty

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: time and if somebody moves or somebody takes a picture

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00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: and it got a flash on it, it really screws

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: up the guy. That's where he's getting in is, you know,

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00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: he's getting ready to put his fingers on the ground.

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00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna get any of his stance. And I noticed

712
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: the scout for the Pittsburgh stility. He does it every year,

713
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: and a couple of people he wanted to remove from there.

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Speaker 1: So I don't I mean to me, it was made

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Speaker 1: for TV. I know, and I want to say, all

716
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: these people got him for free, okay, so I don't

717
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: think they were charging any money. And you had you

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00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: had of a variety of fans everyone. You saw different jerseys,

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00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of like you know when you go to the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and you see different jerseys. But I don't know.

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00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: The music. To me, he was always for a TV

722
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: but the NFL wants to give you access and not

723
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: the host stadium. It was maybe eight hundred people. They

724
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Speaker 1: just come in. But I was shocked that they're playing music.

725
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: And then obviously you have people taking pictures and it

726
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: affects the work on it. I mean to me, we

727
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: talked about the biggest job interview. I don't want any distractions,

728
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: and that's key right there, because where do you find

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00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: that balance between made for TV fan friendly people want

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Speaker 1: to watch versus it's the biggest job interview for these

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Speaker 1: three hundred plus draft prospects and one of the biggest

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Speaker 1: events for front offices to gather information. And how are

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Speaker 1: you affected? Now? Maybe the flip side. The argument is,

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Speaker 1: all right, how do you deal with distractions? But if

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Speaker 1: it's on game day? Right, true, But if you're now,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be defending these drills. But if

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Speaker 1: you were measuring certain drills, then you got to make

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Speaker 1: sure that everything is equal. The atmosphere has to be sterile,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, because if you're going to compare draft

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Speaker 1: class from twenty twenty two to twenty eighteen twenty seventeen,

741
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: all right, well it wouldn't be equal because fans in

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00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: attendance prior to this year and no music prior to

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Speaker 1: this year. So I don't know what the answer is

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00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: because I understand it from the National Football League standpoints.

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00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: You want people to tune in and watch, but they

746
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: were still tuning in and watching without the music, without

747
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles. But again it goes back to

748
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: being more transparent, but more open, more engaging, more fan engagement.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know the solution to that. Yeah,

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00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, when when you go to the Pro Bowl,

751
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: they have events for you know, around the area. Here

752
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 1: they don't have any events like, I mean, there's no events.

753
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Everything's business like. So it's a little bit different, but

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00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure those fans had a great time. It's just

755
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting that because I think I think when

756
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,439
Speaker 1: we got to Saturday and Sunday the offense, they made

757
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: an announcement, at least somebody on Twitter said, the entire

758
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: offense of draftees are now all at the airport. Get

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00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: out of here. And then the defense was Saturday and Sunday,

760
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: and then eventually those guys will will take off, but

761
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: once the week and they get there and they get

762
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: up early in the morning, and then they're going to

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00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: interviews between ten and eleven PM. And then as soon

764
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: as you do your on field workout, you're gone. Every

765
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: position group, you're going to the airport. That's how it happens.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Covered two presented by Hunday partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: As we talk scouting combine here on this Monday, what

768
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: also happens, and this is kind of not new, but

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Speaker 1: because of who Pat McAfee has become and he is

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Speaker 1: based out of Indianapolis, we saw a ton of NFL

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00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: coaches appear on the Pat McAfee show, one coach Cliff Kingsbury,

772
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: and it is amazing. MJ. You get Cliff out of

773
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: his I wouldn't say comfort zone, but you get him

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Speaker 1: relaxed where he's not at a podium, not standing up

775
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: and not getting direct football questions, but when you could

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Speaker 1: just have a conversation and one if you can get

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Speaker 1: him to sit still for ten to fifteen minutes, because

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00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: this man is always on the go, even walking through

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00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: the hallways, it's onto the next, the next. But if

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00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: you get him in a relaxed setting, he's a fun interview.

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00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: He makes jokes, he's entertaining, and we saw that for

782
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: what was at fifteen twenty minutes on the Pat McAfee

783
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: show late last week, and I know a lot had

784
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Speaker 1: been made about some of his comments, one in particular

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00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: I want to get into. But there is a different

786
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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury that sometimes we see in season versus offseason,

787
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: and it depends on the setting that you see the

788
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: head coach in. Yeah, and normally they would do the

789
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: NFL Network, but I just think that they did to

790
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: podium and then they wanted to focus on, you know,

791
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: obviously in the interview. So he's got a good relationship

792
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: with Peter Schregar, and Schregar was in there with him,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'll say this. I was told that

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00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: he was on vacation, and he looked it. He looked tan.

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Speaker 1: He looked very tann. Okay, I think his watch is

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00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: more than my car, and he looked relaxed. It looked

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00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: like a guy just came off vacation who also signed

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00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: a contract extension. And that was the other thing. The

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Speaker 1: timing of that interview, that sit down came after the

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Speaker 1: day after it was announced that the head coach and

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00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: general manager had received contract extension. So yeah, Tan, and

802
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: then very very happy because he had some long term

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00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: security within this organization because I mean, listen, I mean,

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00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: whatever happened at the end of the year, I mean

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00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: he's thinking, all right, you know, after the first game,

806
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: he thought he was getting fired when he was the

807
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: head coach against Detroit and here, you know, obviously the

808
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: collapse in the second half, and nothing's guaranteed. He's gonna

809
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: have to win games and they got to get better

810
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: and learn how to finish. But you know, I made

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Speaker 1: this comment last year. I thought he became more of

812
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: a head coach. We saw it during the offseason program

813
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: and in a training camp, you know, spending time with

814
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: the defense versus just being on the hippo Kyler he

815
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: lets Cam Turner handle that stuff and the offensive staff.

816
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: But he's growing into being a head coach. But I

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00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: just like the fact that he was relaxed coming off

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00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: vacation and now the work starts for the you know,

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00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: getting the roster ready. But no, he was very entertaining.

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00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's different when you're just

821
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: sitting there with McAfee because they'll stop you in mid sentence.

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Speaker 1: Would you say, like the whole Patrick Mahomes thing, Yeah

823
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: about you know, you couldn't win with Patrick Mahomes, Like, well,

824
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: I scored over forty points, meaning it was more on

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00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: the defense than it was. So he goes, don't get

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Speaker 1: it twisted. We were averaging forty five points a game.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about McAfee is he's very direct. Yes, meaning,

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Speaker 1: here's this question, So you're gonna pay Kyler Murray one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars or what. And I think this was

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Speaker 1: the best answer Kingsbury gave, at least for me, because

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Speaker 1: this is something that is going to be discussed and

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss it a lot here On Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by Hunday probably partner of the Arizona

834
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Speaker 1: Cardinals until something gets done, I e. The contract. Asked

835
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Speaker 1: about that, and then the relationship with Kyler Murray. Here

836
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: is Cliff Kingsbury on the Pat McAfee show, quote, the

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Speaker 1: relationship is great. Steve and I literally banked our careers

838
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Speaker 1: on him. When you take a guy number one and

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Speaker 1: trade away a top end pick the year before, that's

840
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: never been done. I mean, you're all in the business

841
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: is the business, and we're just working through it right now.

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00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: End quotes a couple of words here though, Steve and

843
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: I literally banked our careers on him. That's as strong

844
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Speaker 1: as statements as we've heard from anyone since the season ended,

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Speaker 1: stronger even from what we heard from the general manager

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Speaker 1: and head coach at the podium speaking to reporters the

847
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Speaker 1: day before this interview on the Pat McAfee show. I

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Speaker 1: believe it. I mean, ay, Steve had to walk in

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Speaker 1: there in Saint Michael. We have Josh Rosen. We believe

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Speaker 1: this young man's coming out. And I mean that. I

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Speaker 1: mean they had to write a huge check when they

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Speaker 1: fired Wilkes. I mean, and then you got to hire

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Speaker 1: an entire new staff. That's the business of football. It

854
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Speaker 1: really comes down. It's a production business based on results.

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Speaker 1: But I know when he started watching film, I think

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Speaker 1: it was not an easy cell. But they had to

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Speaker 1: make a commitment and obviously hiring Kingsbury and everything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't agree more with him. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean the fact that you drafted Josh Rosen, you

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Speaker 1: hired you see Wilkeson in one year, you just completely

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Speaker 1: hit the reset button. Yeah, no, I believe that. I

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Speaker 1: think he's being honest. Twenty four wins in three years

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Speaker 1: for Kingsbury, twenty two for Kyle Murray or remember he

864
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Speaker 1: missed three games earlier this year and Colte McCoy went

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Speaker 1: two and one, So not quite the record that the

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Speaker 1: head coach has, but still an impressive record as far

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Speaker 1: as quarterbacks, because you're judged your quarterbacks are judged by

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Speaker 1: wins and losses. So again, at some points, I firmly

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Speaker 1: believe a deal will get done. It's just a matter

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Speaker 1: of when and until that win materializes. This is going

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Speaker 1: to be a constant talking points and stuff is going

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Speaker 1: to pop up. I wouldn't say daily, but it's gonna

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Speaker 1: pop up frequently. As far as a new report or

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Speaker 1: a new take, whether it's national or local, and trying

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Speaker 1: to read between the lines on what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: or what's not gonna happen. And it's basically comes back

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Speaker 1: to the draft and what you forecast the team does.

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Speaker 1: At pick number twenty three, people are going to forecast

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Speaker 1: what this team should or should not do when it

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Speaker 1: comes to player roster decisions. Yeah, you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: it was telling when Michael Bidwell was on with Vick

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Speaker 1: and Vinny and he talked about, you know, normally you

883
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Speaker 1: don't get deals done in February, okay, And he brought

884
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Speaker 1: a couple of examples where Josh Allen it was late July,

885
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Speaker 1: some others were in September. Some were in training camp.

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Speaker 1: And just like the Cardinals have retained Tyrann Matthew and

887
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Speaker 1: a training camp, they gave Boodoo Baker extension in training camp.

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Speaker 1: They gave Patrick Peterson an extension training camp. Because now

889
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Speaker 1: the focus has to be on the three agency in

890
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Speaker 1: the drafty Kyler Murray, they owned his rights for the

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Speaker 1: next couple of years. I'm sure they would all like

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Speaker 1: to get a deal done, but not right now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they got other fish to fry right now, other there

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Speaker 1: should be other focus. I mean, they're going to budget

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Speaker 1: him when we talk about that pie, they're gonna budget

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Speaker 1: him in a certain number. Okay. So, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he wants to get paid, and he probably doesn't like

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's gonna make five and a half

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Speaker 1: million as a base salary, but he's already got thirty

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Speaker 1: six million guaranteed. Josh Allen had his deal done in August,

901
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes July, and Deshaun Watson September, Jared Goff September,

902
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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz June, Ryan Tannehill May. That's the earliest over

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Speaker 1: the past decade a first round draft pick has signed

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Speaker 1: a long term contract in quarterbacks before their fourth season began,

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Speaker 1: which is where Kyle the Murray is right now here

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. Before we put a bow on

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Speaker 1: this show, em Jay, how about we put a bow

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Speaker 1: on the scouting combine and the other other takeaways which

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Speaker 1: from what you watched from the twelve hours again, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was going to be a number that was

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot higher, But twelve hours covered. The

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Speaker 1: workouts are only four four hours. That's Jana. I just

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Speaker 1: figured you'd go back out no, I mean I enjoy

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Speaker 1: all the interviews and then then the the post coverage

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Speaker 1: and then the analysis on what was. You could tell

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Speaker 1: those guys were already tap out. Rich Rich Eysen and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah did a phenomenal job. I've watched they do,

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Speaker 1: and even Charles Davis is there, and they got so

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Speaker 1: many good reporters. You know, on the on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: Stacy Dale has done an really nice job. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to exclude anybody, but I'm talking about this the

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Speaker 1: on field workout. The on field workouts out for twelve

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Speaker 1: hours every day. It's four hours, four hours, four hours.

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Speaker 1: So and I'll go back and watch. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: I was watching certain positions because you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what the Cardinals are going to do in free agency,

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Speaker 1: and you know, but I but I think and listen

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Speaker 1: when it comes to real quick I think when it

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Speaker 1: comes to offensive line, wide receiver, tight end, edge rusher, corner,

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Speaker 1: I think they will they will definitely address those positions

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Speaker 1: in the draft, let alone what they're doing free ncy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So than to keep an eye on and on that note,

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Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals

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Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Jim Almahundro

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Speaker 1: For Mike Jarecki, I'm craig Riel Loup. We'll talk to

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