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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: Never told you Protection of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And for today's episode of Feminists around the World, which

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Speaker 2: a peak behind the curtains. I cannot get the name

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Speaker 2: straight to save my life. We are struggling here, but

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Speaker 2: I did it correctly this time. You know, we still

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Speaker 2: have to let our false be known. We are entering

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Speaker 2: into Disability Pride Month with a bang, and just to

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Speaker 2: put a time stamp here, this should be released on

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Speaker 2: July third, twenty twenty three. I believe even though we

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Speaker 2: recorded ahead because I am technically out this week.

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Speaker 1: Aha. Yeah, that's strange podcast.

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Speaker 2: But we are celebrating the achievements of activists and award

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Speaker 2: winning filmmaker Nazarene out Fatigue and her work has centered

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Speaker 2: around intersectional issues and inclusion, and she has worked hard

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Speaker 2: to collaborate on her projects and she calls these projects

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Speaker 2: quote cultural shifting. She explained to Forbes magazine quote either

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Speaker 2: I see a gap in our culture that needs bridging,

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Speaker 2: or I see momentum in an area that needs amplifying.

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Speaker 2: That's where I put my energy. And she continues, being

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Speaker 2: a cinematographer means that the world is seeing the story

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Speaker 2: through my eyes, through my lens. Starting at a very

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Speaker 2: young age, I was forced to the outside of many

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Speaker 2: social circles. Being exposed to the harmful effects of that

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Speaker 2: exclusivity has given me a unique motivation in my work.

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Speaker 2: She further explained to pratt dot edu the pursuit of

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Speaker 2: collaboration in the creation of culture shifting work was developed

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Speaker 2: as a result of being raised by women's rights grassroots organizer.

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Speaker 2: I think when you cultivate social justice into art making,

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Speaker 2: it attracts future collaborators who are motivated by the same yearning.

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Speaker 2: And on her site Allmedia Storytelling dot com, it describes

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Speaker 2: her style of filming as quote utilizing a plethora of lenses.

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Speaker 2: Her ability to motivate audiences is a direct result of

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Speaker 2: approaching story through multiple identities multi heritage black Iraqi, disabled

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Speaker 2: through chronic pain and nowdivergent, raised Muslim LGBTQIA plus and

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Speaker 2: first generation born in Oakland, California. And again. As pratt

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Speaker 2: edu writes about her work, al Kativ's multi heritage and

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Speaker 2: multi halfinete identity has shaped the lenses through which she

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Speaker 2: has developed her body of work over the last decade.

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Speaker 2: Work that makes space with fierce sense of care for

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Speaker 2: underheard and under visualized perspectives and experiences.

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Speaker 1: Pratt dot Edu also interviewed Alkativ in the article, and

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Speaker 1: when asked how multi perspective storytelling works for her, she replied,

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Speaker 1: being a person who is intersectional makes it much easier

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Speaker 1: for me to hold safe space for people who occupy

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Speaker 1: marginalized identities. When I approach a story, I try to

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Speaker 1: quiet my programmed brain. There are so many nuanced ways

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Speaker 1: people are forced to communicate. It takes a practice of

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Speaker 1: being able to listen to actually hear what they are

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Speaker 1: trying to convey. Their own message deserves my time, my consideration,

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Speaker 1: and my ability to amplify their story so people like

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Speaker 1: them know that they are valued, and so more communities

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Speaker 1: have the ability to get to know them. If I

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Speaker 1: am working on a documentary about someone who uses a

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Speaker 1: not have anyone in their life who has had that experience,

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Speaker 1: is my responsibility to amplify their story authentically to the

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Speaker 1: space carved into the audience is a safe one moving

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Speaker 1: forward for anyone they come in contact with who uses

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Speaker 1: a mobility device. And she continues in regard to Kraft,

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Speaker 1: being someone who comes from multiple intersections and being born

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Speaker 1: multi hyphenate, not having the power to be anything other

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Speaker 1: than a multi hyphenant. It definitely informs what I capture.

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Speaker 1: I see texture, I see color, and I see light

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Speaker 1: through the lens of someone who embodies these identities, someone

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Speaker 1: who has lived in another country, someone who has been

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Speaker 1: marginalized in a colonialist society and patriarchy. So the things

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Speaker 1: I capture and choose to amplify through my lens of

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Speaker 1: everything to do with who I am. I didn't choose

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Speaker 1: those identities. Those identities are embedded in my story.

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Speaker 2: Right and in her career, Alkatib has worked with organizations

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Speaker 2: like NASA, Oprah Productions, the Women's March, and for the

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris campaign. Studying filmmaking at Pratt Institute in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: New York, she began her career as a camera operator

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Speaker 2: Harris's VP campaign, working obstacles that taxed her physically, mentally,

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Speaker 2: experience in campaign and telling Forbes that there was this

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Speaker 2: energy propelling her. There was a sob elebratory feeling in

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Speaker 2: It was just there was just joy in the air.

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Speaker 2: It was infectious. I love that story. She also filmed

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, the Ford and Mellon Foundations announced

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Speaker 1: al Kative as one of the recipients of the Disability

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Speaker 1: Futures Fellows, which awards fifty thousand dollars to disabled artists

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Speaker 1: in the US that advances the cultural landscape. And though

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Speaker 1: she has always focused on the marginalized community, in twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen A Hit and Run, it pushed al Kativ to

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Speaker 1: She told Forbes magazine, because disability is a dirty word

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Speaker 1: like a dirty word to identify with. Who taught that

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Speaker 1: unpact the word and then repack it in a healthy way.

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Speaker 1: The article continued. Becoming disabled made Alkatib realize that she

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Speaker 1: had to change the way she approached her filmmaking work too.

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Speaker 1: Filmmaking is a grueling business that often involves long hours

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Speaker 1: and standing for long periods. It consists of lugging heavy equipment,

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Speaker 1: traveling long distances, etc. Before al Katif could withstand and

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Speaker 1: She had to learn to speak up for herself, and

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Speaker 1: in the process she began advocating for everyone disabled or

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Speaker 1: industry that doesn't always believe in rest and making it

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Speaker 2: And Alkatib explains, I think our culture glorifies putting ourselves

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Speaker 2: physically through the ringer, staying up at all hours, working

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Speaker 2: a badge of honor, and it's toxic. The film industry

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Speaker 2: is built on an ablest and masculine tenants. Most of

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Speaker 2: the equipment is designed for men, it's not designed with

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Speaker 2: women in mind. Whether you're disabled or not, everyone has needs,

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Speaker 2: and for the last few years, I've thought about those

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Speaker 2: needs more and more in terms of what a production

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Speaker 2: day should look like, and when we're going to take breaks,

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Speaker 2: what kind of food we're going to have accessible onset.

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Speaker 2: All of those things matter, and all those things actually

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Speaker 2: made a more compelling product at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Right and her work continues to reflect her thoughtfulness and inclusivity,

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Speaker 2: which has earned her some accolades, including being named a

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Speaker 2: Fellow of the Disruptors, a Fellow of Sundance's Accessible Futures

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Speaker 2: Intensive and Alumni of the Respectability Lab, and the Fellow

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Speaker 2: of the WIF Creative Circle. And when asked biprad Edu

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Speaker 2: stories and create space for themselves in the industry, al

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Speaker 2: Kativ said, the underestimation that you have experienced, use it.

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Speaker 2: It's fuel. Your instincts will help guide you to tell

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Speaker 2: the stories that you know are important. In the pursuit

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Speaker 2: of telling those stories, you will find a community of

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Speaker 2: people who will help sustain that drive.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I love so much of this, so again, very

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Speaker 1: excited to see what algative does check out more of

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Speaker 1: her work. But yeah, listeners, If you have anybody we

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Speaker 1: our executive producer Maya, and our contributor Joey.

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