1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Forties and Free Agents with Daniel Jeremiah 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: and Greg Rosenthal. If you are watching us on YouTube, 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: you will note that DJ's name for the first time 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: goes first. Congratulations. That is the payoff for winning our 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl picks. So now finally you're you're on top 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: of the call sheet. DJ, A big, a big milestone 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: for you. 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, top billing. I'll be honestly, it was you know, 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: it was something that wasn't part of my goals. It 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: wasn't something I was striving to do. It's just when 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: you put your head down, you work hard, you don't 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: pick stupid teams. You know, good things happen. That's kind 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: of what my coaches just to always tell me. 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: Probably most people are listening are like me before I 15 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: realized that my name was versus, Like, how was Jeremiah's 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: name not first? The whole time he's. 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 2: The host host, You're the host. 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: You're the host, the host of the NFL Draft. He's 19 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: got the social pop. But the difference is it's my season. 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: It's free agency season at least for this episode. So uh, look, 21 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: we got the top one oh one free agents. It's 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: coming out later this week early next week right before 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: the Combine starts. So we're going to do a big 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: combine preview and put that up next week. But this week, 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: we're gonna have DJ do something that he wouldn't do 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: for me as a friend. So I'm only going to 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: do it, you know, he's only gonna do it for 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: me as a co host, which is he's gonna help 29 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: me on my. 30 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 2: TEAMSK go over email, to be honest, kind of a big ask, 31 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: and I didn't see who all the other people you 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: sent it to, so it's like, well, wait, is he 33 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 2: sending this to fifteen? 34 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I know what? Am I? 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: The other forty nine people do that? You know? 36 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: I got to now it was just like five or 37 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: six people, people I consider the most elite ball knowers 38 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: in the business, and I just send them by one 39 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: oh one. It's some people with teams, it's some people 40 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: in the media. People don't want their names out there. 41 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: And just like if anyone stands out to you, it's 42 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: a little market correction. Tell me who you think is 43 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: too high or too low. So our exercise today, we're 44 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: going to go through the defensive side because me and 45 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: you we've already talked about the offensive side and you 46 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: can just you can just give me your thoughts if 47 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: anyone's too higher, t low, or just about these players 48 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: in general, and I'll go through position by position. Let's 49 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: start at the edge where there's good depth. There's always 50 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: pretty good depth at edge in free agency, where you 51 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: can find a guy at the end of the list 52 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: that can give you four hundred five hundred good snaps. 53 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: But at the top of the list, it's very intriguing. 54 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: I have four guys in my top ten overall right now. 55 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: I have Jalen Phillips actually ahead of Trey Hendrickson, so 56 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think about that. But I will 57 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: say the other two guys in my top ten, I 58 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: really battle between Adafe Aoway and Boye Mafe who would 59 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: go first there. Ultimately, I don't think it's that important. 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of different flavors, and I think they're both 61 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: really good free agents to be available if they do 62 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: not get franchise tech. They are nine to ten right 63 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: now on my soft list. Phillips I have third overall. 64 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: Hendrickson's just behind them that first big group. We go 65 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: through player by player, But I'm curious for your thoughts 66 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: on the order. 67 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it to me, like, here's an interesting question. 68 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: As I'm kind of going through this, I'm looking at 69 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: some of the decisions that need to be made. So 70 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: if you're the Philadelphi Eagles, I know people have said, okay, 71 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: well Max Crosby's name has been thrown out there as 72 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: a trade candidate. I know you've talked about that, and 73 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: so how he's always in on anything, you know, any 74 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: deal that comes up, he's always gonna kick the tires 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: on it and explore it. My thing is, I would rather, 76 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: I would rather pay Jalen Phillips top of market, which 77 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: you're gonna have to pay handsomely for him. You already 78 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: know how he fits in your defense. You know, you 79 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 2: know how good he is, he's young, you don't have 80 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: to give up draft picks. So to me like that, 81 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: there's a lot of incentive just looking at it from 82 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: the outside end, like Jalen Phillips, should you know he 83 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: should stay in Phildelphi. I would imagine they would pay 84 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: what they need to pay to keep him, because you're 85 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: gonna have to go out in the free agency market 86 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: to replace him and spend a bunch of money on 87 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: somebody you don't know how they fit in your system, 88 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: or I got to, you know, trade a haul of 89 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: picks to go get somebody like Max Crosby. Yeah. 90 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a single player that made 91 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: more money in his contract year than Phillips, because he 92 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: was just coming off those back to back devastating injury 93 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: years and you were wondering if it was ever going 94 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: to be the same guy, And instead he played great 95 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: and you actually get the feeling ooh, another year removed 96 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: from those injuries, he might be even better. He's in 97 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: his prime. I've seen some other lists out there, you know, 98 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: check it out. I said, Hendrickson on at number one. 99 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 1: You know he's gonna be thirty two years old. Obviously 100 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: can help you out in the short term. But my 101 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: debate was more like, does he even go ahead of 102 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: Oway and Mafey, who are younger players obviously not as 103 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: explosive or complete. But Hendrickson's yeah, getting up there in years. 104 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: You watched Oway for the Chargers, He's another guy who 105 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: made himself a lot of money down the stretch. I 106 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: like mafe more of his style. I think you know 107 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: what you're getting with him. Maybe there's a little more 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: of a ceiling with Oway and Mafey is not a 109 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: guy you're gonna play that you're gonna expect to get 110 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: fifteen sacks, but I think you're gonna get six hundred 111 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: really productive snaps of pure pass rushure. What did you 112 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: see out of Oway? He's kind of like been up 113 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: and down as a pro and maybe even as a prospect, 114 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: was like not a project, but a guy you hoped 115 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: would develop as a pro. 116 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're kind of just wondering when the production was 117 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 2: going to match the you know, the explosiveness and the 118 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: speed that he had. He's tall, he's athletic, and you 119 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: can watch his brother play college basketball. He's one of 120 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 2: the best college basketball players in the country to see, 121 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: you know how athletic the family is. But he he's 122 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: got big time, big time speed. The question was will 123 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 2: he ever develop power? And as they're polished there as 124 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: a rusher. Well, when he came over to the Chargers 125 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: and watching him each and every week, I'm like, Okay, 126 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: he has more ways to win and the speed is legit. 127 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: It is real. And it wasn't just the seven and 128 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: a half sacks he had, you know, since he came 129 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: over to the Chargers. It was the playoff game. We 130 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: had three sacks and I believe two forced fumbles, you know, 131 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: against that That was kind of the first exposure to 132 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 2: that Patriots offensive line. If you've removed Miles Garrett of 133 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: people saying like, oh, like, I know they're winning games, 134 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: but this is a problem. And I think always helped 135 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: himself there. The only the only thing I would say 136 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: about the order here and how you have it stacked up. 137 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: I would say, you have I like doing these in clusters. 138 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: So you have that group of four all exposed the 139 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 2: next two. Then you have the two veterans, the former 140 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 2: Charters and mac and Bosa, and then you have Quitty Pay. 141 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: I would lump Quitty Pay in the same group with 142 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: Oway and Mafe. I think those like he's in that 143 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: where the production hasn't you know, elevated to the athleticism. 144 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: But I think there's I think those three guys. I 145 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: think teams inside free agency rooms are going to have 146 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: those three names and they're going to debate them and 147 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: kick them around and compare them. 148 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: This is this is a good thing to know, and 149 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: it to me the rankings are a combination, you know, 150 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: mostly it's my my If I was running a team 151 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: who I like, who I think is good, but I 152 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: do want to factor in position scarcity age, like how 153 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: the league is going to view him. And it's a 154 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: good note that that quitty pay is probably going to 155 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: be thought of a little higher. He's certainly not many 156 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: guys with that sort of talent coming off their rookie 157 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: contract that's going to be available. Mac and Bosa are 158 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: just in the one year. 159 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: They're like a holding tank. They're like in a holding 160 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: tank on your list. 161 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: But we always state I think that that's underrated. I 162 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: think teams overrate the quiddy pays a little bit and 163 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: underrate I mean, if you've just been going year to 164 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: year with Khalil Mack for instance, last few years, yeah, 165 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: I think that you're pretty happy with it. Right. 166 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: Sure, he would absolutely love to do that, but I 167 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: think that you know, when you're in the draft room, 168 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: the way people just assume that it's just positions and 169 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: then they're just stacked vertically in just one names on 170 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: top of the other. We would kick some cards over 171 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: to the side, you know, back when you're using cards 172 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: in the olden days, but like those would be like 173 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: the two veteran guys and kind of like Okay, they're 174 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: kind of their own deal here. You know, they're in 175 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: their own little holding tank. 176 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: That makes sense. Okay, we're spending a little more time 177 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: on edge. I'll go faster through some of the positions 178 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: that are are in as deep. But I do want 179 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to see if any of the guys lower on the 180 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: list strikes your fancy a little. Just running through a 181 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: few of the names. Caleb and chas On coming off 182 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: a nice year for the Patriots. Joseph Asai, I'm wondering 183 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: how the league is going to view him coming off 184 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: his rookie contract. Probably definitely had his best year for 185 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: the Bengals. And then you get into kind of the 186 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: older veteran types. Reddick, Alcoh and Muhammad had had a 187 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: production this year. Gedevian Clowney had a lot of production 188 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: this year. There's a couple guys coming off injury, Sam 189 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: Williams and Malcolm Koons, who I like another young player 190 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: I threw in there, as Arnold Ebacetti had had a 191 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: better fourth season for the Falcons. It goes on and on. 192 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: You got our colleague, Cam Jordan is available, like you 193 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: can find guys in free agency. I'm curious if there's 194 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: anyone there that strikes your fancy is too high, too low? 195 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Who you like? 196 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: No, I think you're it's in a good spot. I'm 197 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: always curious, Like aj Panessa to me is just like 198 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: a good solid player. Yes, you know, And I think 199 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: sometimes those guys that might make a little more than 200 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: you think, just because they're just dependable, reliable, steady eddies. 201 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 2: So that that's one of the names that stuck out 202 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: a little bit there. But the other thing is this 203 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: is a and we can kind of go through it 204 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: as we're going to these other positions. It's a loaded 205 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: draft at the edge position spot. That's a position spot. 206 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: So maybe you do find some value with some of 207 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 2: these guys in the middle to lower tiers here. 208 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you do. Like that's a good note 209 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: because I'm a I'm very vain DJ. So if I 210 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: see a guy like Epanessa, who I have in the 211 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: eighties or nineties, or he's not on the list and 212 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: then some team gives him some big contract, I feel 213 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: like an idiot. So you know, this is why I'm 214 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: taking for predict this stuff. I'm taking these notes. You know, Apanessa, 215 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: who I agree, I kind of like him, and in 216 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: the end, I value him more than a guy like 217 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: like a Kyle van Noy who's a good player, but 218 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: get older defensive tackle, there's not much and it sounds 219 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: similar in the draft. 220 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, the best. 221 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Guys I have are our older guys. Jonathan Franklin Meyer's 222 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: DJ reader own you out of Kalays Campbell. So it's 223 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: just letting the listeners know if you're looking for a young, 224 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: rising defensive tackle, it's not going to happen. The closest 225 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: you might get to that is Logan Hall's who's kind 226 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: of developed into a solid player for the Bucks. But 227 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: other than that, he don't don't expect to find many 228 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: defensive tackles. 229 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which to me informs my you know thoughts on 230 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: the draft, which is the DTS, which there are some 231 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: imperfect players, but they're good players. So you know where 232 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: I might look at him and say, this isn't a 233 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: traditional first trump pick. The fact that freegency's a little 234 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: thin and there's going to be needs there. Everybody wants 235 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: to play with two high safeties and they're going to 236 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: need their front seven to stop the run out of 237 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 2: neither down guys to be able to play a block 238 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: block and a half. Maybe that moves. A guy like 239 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of Kayden McDonald from Ohio state's more of 240 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: a run plugger than a passers. That might maybe that 241 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 2: elevates him back up into the first round. He's just 242 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: outside that for me. 243 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: And there are guys out there like a Sheldon Rangins. 244 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: When I talk about guys get underpaid in freegency, he's 245 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: been on these one year deals. He was great for 246 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: the Texans, like he was how many first round picks. 247 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: He's very scheme he's very scheme specific. You want to 248 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: give him on our team to lets him get up 249 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: the field and go. 250 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: And so he's a free agent. So there's guys like 251 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: that out there. Sebastian Joseph Day, Draymond Jones, Daikwon Jones, 252 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: guys who can help you out. 253 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: Hand played well for the for the Chargers too. 254 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Wrote him down to my overall take. And I'll talk 255 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: about this a little more on Friday when we unveil 256 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: the one oh one. I actually think this is a 257 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: good free agent class for depth. Actually, peep, you know, 258 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: I guess the league's not excited about it. Blah blah blah. 259 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: The top thirty probably worse than usual top thirty or 260 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: forty my one hundred to one fifty. I think there's 261 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: good players at one thirty one forty. And I do 262 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: this every year where a lot of times I'm scratching 263 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: in klawn to get to one oh one, one ten. 264 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: So I actually think it's gonna be easier to find 265 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: just helpful five hundred snap type of players like I 266 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: like I'm saying, like a DeShawn hans Sebastin Joseph Day, 267 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time getting them into the top hundred. 268 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I think in previous years they would have been there. 269 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: So just just an. 270 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: Overall se you're getting. You're doing this list every year 271 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: now and you're slowly just morphing into a scout, which 272 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: is this is what we do, Greg, is that we 273 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 2: get more excited about our day two, day three guys. 274 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: Like we don't talk as passionately about the guys at 275 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: the top of the draft. It's like that's no fun. 276 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: Like the fun stuff is like how do I sort 277 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: out these five third round corners that are kind of 278 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: you know, all clumped in together. See, you're getting sucked in, man, 279 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: I am the Marriott points. 280 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: It honestly hurt me. The moment where I realize Kiris 281 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: Tom Goes probably not making my one one. He kept 282 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: moving down the list. I was like, man, but cairis 283 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Tonga like for for three hundred and fifty snaps. Dynamic linebackers, 284 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: I want to spend a little more time on because 285 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: I think it's really good in free agency and the 286 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: value draft position. Yeah, that it's good in the draft. 287 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: I think market correction is due for linebackers and tight ends. 288 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: They should be getting paid more. There's so valuable if 289 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: you could find some good ones, and I think there's 290 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: six good ones here in free agency that that are 291 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: that can still play in the middle of their prime. 292 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 2: I can I please rain on your parade? Just yeah, 293 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: you're getting ready to get this thing started with the 294 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 2: first float, getting ready to turn around the corner and 295 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: come down Main Street. There were I believe five linebackers 296 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: that started in the Super Bowl. Four of them were undrafted. 297 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and are they a long term solution for the 298 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: New England Patriots. Jack Gibbons getting beat by a J 299 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: Barner on that touchdown? Do they want Robertson Blaine starting? 300 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: What the team super Bowl? The team that won the 301 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 2: Super Bowl had what a third round pick and an 302 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: undrafted player. 303 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: Sure, but they paid They paid Ernest Jones thirty nine 304 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: million dollars. 305 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 2: So no, But I'm just saying like that, that's it's 306 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: interesting to just kind of look at it. How teams 307 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: have put resources elsewhere is what I'm getting at. 308 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: How how I would look at it to push back 309 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: would be five six years ago, when running back values 310 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: were at their very bottom, when you actually had a 311 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: healthy McCaffrey or you know at the time, like a 312 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: healthy Joe Mixon, who I'm trying to think, when you 313 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: actually had the fire, there was only five or six 314 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: difference makers. That was a big time advantage. Those guys 315 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: were underpaid, And I think that can be what linebackers 316 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: are like right now. If you have a Zach Bond, 317 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: I think that opens up what. 318 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: By the way you have been You've been a lot 319 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: of Zach Bond out of you. This year. I thought 320 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: he did not play as good this year as he 321 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: did the previous year, but. 322 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. Definitely not as many splash plays. 323 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: But I do think having a guy like that, like 324 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: having a good tight end, helps you construct your defense 325 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: in a way, in a flexibility of how you want 326 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: to play, and you almost you need one of those guys. 327 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: But that's fair. 328 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: No, I mean, look you're talking and now we're getting 329 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: way off topic. But look, I was in Baltimore at 330 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: the height of ray Lewis's powers. I've seen what a 331 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: off the ball linebacker can do and mean for a defense. 332 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: But it's just league wide right now, kind of looking 333 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: around the league, they haven't, you know, value it, and 334 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: the Fred Warners are the Fred Warners. You know, they're 335 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: going to get their money, that elite, elite group of 336 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: those you know, kind of like the running back thing. 337 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: We're saying those top five six guys, maybe you can 338 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: go to ten guys. But outside of that, they haven't 339 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: been willing to spend. So this will be a good 340 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: litmus test from with this free agency group. 341 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't necessarily think they'll spend because every player 342 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: here is a little flawed, but Devin Lloyd would be 343 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: the least. 344 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: My gosh, you've already come off of it. I mean, 345 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: you just you've already. 346 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're going to get maid. I'm saying 347 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: they're under they're underpaid. I don't think the league is 348 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: necessarily gonna give a lot of moneys in a Kobe Dean. Okay, 349 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: I have Lloyd pretty high on my overall list. I 350 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: think he made a huge difference for them this year 351 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: in Jacksonville. The other guys are further down, but I 352 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: think I think they are all interesting in their own ways. 353 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Nikobe Dean, Devin Bush coming off a second team All 354 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: Pro season, really struggled with what to do with him 355 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: because that came out of nowhere, but he was awesome. 356 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: Leo Chanel is an interesting player for the Chiefs, Kaden 357 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Ellis has been awesome for a while for the Falcons, 358 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: and kway Walker has a lot of talent former first 359 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: round pick for the Packers. So I think different types 360 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: of flavors there, just starting with Lloyd the like would 361 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: he potentially be a guy you like and give a 362 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of money to in free agency? 363 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: There's very I would say he's the most polarizing player 364 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: on that list. I like Lloyd coming to the draft 365 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: process and then it didn't happen for him early in 366 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: his career. Is trying to figure out exactly what he is, 367 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: and you know who he is, and I think he's 368 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: one of those guys at the ball he's always This 369 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: is the way i'd say it. I say it. He's 370 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: always around the ball. He's very instinctive. He makes plays 371 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: in the ball. You look at all the interceptions and 372 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 2: then other people on the other side of the ais, 373 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: I'll say, this guy is just hon on the spot. 374 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 2: The ball just kind of found him, you know, Like 375 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: they don't look at him as making plays. They look 376 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: at plays being presented to him. I really like him, 377 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: but I'm just saying there's not this universal opinion high 378 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: opinion of him, and I think it'll be interesting to see, Like, 379 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 2: you know, they had a really good defense last year 380 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. Did they effort to bring him back or 381 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: are they willing to move forward? 382 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: That will be telling. And they're not going to franchise 383 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: tag him. The number is huge. There will there are 384 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: people who they didn't. 385 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: Pick up as I mean, it was another regime. They 386 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: didn't pick up his option right before. 387 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Right right, they didn't and that's never a great sign. 388 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: But he also had his best year this year. I 389 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: do think he improved in his third season too. He 390 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: was already getting to the point where he was a 391 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: plus starter. You know, Nikobe Dean, I know as a 392 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: player you're really familiar with I really Kaden Ellis, I love. 393 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: It was very hard to like balance a guy like 394 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: Kayden Ellis, who you know what you're getting, versus potential 395 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: Leo Chanel. It always worried me that Jeems only used 396 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: for four hundred snaps, but man, those four hundred five 397 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: hundred steps, we're dynamic. I kind of liked him, but 398 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: have you. 399 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: Ever seen a play where he's not just mugging the center, 400 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 2: Like he's always just up on the line of scrimmage 401 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 2: and it's like it's such a unique ability that he 402 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: has there. He's freaking huge. 403 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: I think for the right really creative defensive coordinator out there. 404 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: Because the chiefs I don't think are going to be 405 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: able to afford him. He will just be a fun piece. 406 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you had any thoughts on in 407 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: kway Walker coming out and right now, because he's someone 408 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: that's divisive too. I think I'm lower on him than consensus. 409 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: I'm going to have him lower on my list. I 410 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: know he'll get so many. 411 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: File his profile is going to go above. You know, 412 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 2: he's going to get him paid above where he is 413 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: on your list because he's got he's got elite traits. 414 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: He was a high pick, and he's someone that people 415 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 2: feel like at his age is still ascending. So it 416 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: hasn't got there. He hasn't figured it all yet out yet, 417 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 2: but this he would be the version of the O 418 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 2: Way MA fe Yes yeah, Quity Pay group. He's the 419 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 2: version to me. 420 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: A little less evidence that it's ever going to happen. 421 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: Been in a couple of seasons for the Packers. It'll 422 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: be telling to me if the Dolphins go after him, 423 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: because if Jeff Hafley's not that interested and the Packers 424 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: aren't that interested, that's not a great sign. And then 425 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: there's a million solid veterans that you can go after. 426 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: Jamaro Davis, Alex Angeloni, Bobby Wagner, Quincy Williams, Alex Singleton. 427 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: If he just need a trusted kind. 428 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: Of a nerve center, if you need somebody to be 429 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: your communicator, and veteran guy. 430 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: Not a hard position to fill. Justin Stannatt is a 431 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: guy our friend on the show. Ali Connelly just loves 432 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: as kind of a unique role player that could fit 433 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: in a different system. Let's go to the defensive backs. 434 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: I really struggled to sort the top of this list out. 435 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Watson is a guy who's just steadily improved. The 436 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: Chiefs have a way of coaching up these cornerbacks and 437 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: then they let them go, which is a little worrisome. 438 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: And so he's just a solid player who's had a 439 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: lot of really good snaps and high leverage moments. I 440 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: ended up putting him on the top. Jammel Dean is 441 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: coming off a fantastic season for the Bucks, has had 442 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: an up and down career. He's getting closer to thirty three. 443 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: Quillan has all the talent in the world, and I 444 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: really like Lante Taylor as a guy you can move around. 445 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: So those four to me stood out as the cornerbacks 446 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: atop my list, all top thirty players in my top 447 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: one oh one. I don't know if any of those 448 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: stand out to you. 449 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious on Treek Woollen just because it's like 450 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: he literally is a definition of a hero zero, you know, 451 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: like it it is splash plays and it is like 452 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: just dripping with size and athleticism and can play the ball. 453 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: And then there's you know, the brain cramps and getting 454 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: lost in coverage and losing his cool in a playoff game, 455 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 2: Like there's a little bit of a roller coaster ride 456 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: you go on with him, so he would be the 457 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: one I would say be hardest peg if I you know, 458 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: if he ended up getting the second most money of 459 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: this group, I don't know. I guess I wouldn't be 460 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: surprised if he ended up getting the seventh or eighth 461 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: most on this group. I think he's got the widest range, 462 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: is what I'm getting at. 463 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: This position is so hard to spend a lot of 464 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: money on, because Jamal Dean is a perfect example. Very 465 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: up and down in his rookie contract, then has a 466 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: great season, get to big contract. He's always leaving games 467 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: with injuries. Then he's starting to struggle. They actually made 468 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: him take a pay cut last year DJ to come back. 469 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: They give Zion McCollum a ton of money. Then this year, 470 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: Jameel Dean has the season of his life. Zion McCollum 471 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: really struggles. Jamel Dean has just taken a pay cut. 472 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: Now he's sitting in free agency coming off a high. 473 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: The metrics will tell you he was one of the 474 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: very best players in the league. Nashan Wright is a 475 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: guy who's who's bounced around, is coming into free at 476 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: the right time. I think him and Trevon Diggs and 477 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: and maybe even a Sante. Samuel Junior fit into a 478 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: boom er bust but maybe worth a shot category. 479 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: Samuel I think, you know, showing that he was healthy 480 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh playing well, so that'll be in to see 481 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: what he does. 482 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: He's a guy that I very high last year. 483 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 2: With the charges with Gosh, you could play the ball, 484 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 2: but he was notoriously poor and run support and some 485 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: big moments and then you find it we'll gosh, I 486 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: don't know what he was dealing with, you know, from 487 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 2: an injury standpoint, got himself healthy and he played a 488 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: little tougher in Pittsburgh. 489 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: A couple guys that I like a lot. Marcus Jones, 490 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: great punt returner, great, you know, good slot guy, uh 491 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: Buster Brown, Monteric Brown for the Jaguars coming off a 492 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: sneaky good season. And then Cordale Flat. You know, that's 493 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: one guy. I think we'll get a little more money 494 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: than people expect from the Giants who it took him 495 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: a little while to develop, but he played pretty well. 496 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: Last He could really run. If I remember him coming 497 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 2: out Tennessee, I want to say he was out of Tennessee. 498 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Kim Taylor BRIT's a guy who's really been 499 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: up and down his career. There are some interesting names 500 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: out there. Kobe Durant, Martin Emerson, Josh Job, Eric Stokes, 501 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: like guys that can play for you. Let's wrap up 502 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: with the safeties. I don't know if you have any 503 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: hot takes on Brian Cook of the Chiefs, or if 504 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: if you remember Cincinnati, because he is a guy who 505 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: college Trevin Morrig. Last year where I put this list out, 506 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: I get some feedback people people like them some. Brian 507 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: Cook a guy who's improved, very athletic play place, plays 508 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: with a lot of energy, and I think it's hitting 509 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: free agency at the right time. I have him as 510 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: my top safety head of cam Curl, Kobe Bryant of 511 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, and Nick Kross, who's a good player for 512 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: the Colts. 513 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: Those are good, solid players. I know. I believe I 514 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: was one of the ones who was on you on 515 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: marriage last year. Yeah, but I did not offer you 516 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 2: any opinions this year. I don't know if it was 517 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: just maybe it was just a lack of gratitude on 518 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 2: your part. Then I just felt, you know, I don't 519 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: know that I want to spend the time to fire 520 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: off that text to try and help him out a 521 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: little bit. 522 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: What do you mean a lack of gratitude? 523 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: I still remember it, thank you. I don't remember anything. 524 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: There was about. Thank you. Hey, I know this is 525 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: but you fixed it. 526 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 2: I appreciate now that. 527 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: Hey, I know you can completely ignore this. Thank you 528 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: if you do it, no worries if you're too busy. 529 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, what do you want from me? DJ? I'm 530 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: just trying to directless. 531 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: I mean, let's just be a yes about it, like, hey, 532 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: you know, oh, if you don't have if maybe if 533 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 2: you could consider it, Oh, if you just please, I 534 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to bother you. Yeah, stop reading. 535 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 2: I've already stopped reading at that point. I don't even 536 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: know what you asked. 537 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: I think you're right, honestly, it's a good lesson for 538 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: people listening out there. Just don't send group texts group emails. 539 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: It's always going to be better one on one the 540 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: second that you see the group. I'm like you, you 541 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: shut off a little bit, but like, I guess I 542 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: can skate free. I don't even have to respond to this. 543 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: You know, the move that's kind of a veteran move 544 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 2: that I would not like, but I would just appreciate. 545 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: And I get this all the time. Not all the time, 546 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 2: I get it randomly, but you ever get the text 547 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 2: says hey got a sec dot dot dot, and then 548 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: it's like, oh boy, here it comes, you know, like 549 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: so you got to do the call and it's like, hey, 550 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: how's it going? Like, hey, I got my new list 551 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: here texting it to you. Just if you could just 552 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 2: look it over real quick. It makes it much harder 553 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: to say no over the phone call than it does 554 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 2: over a group email that you sent to ninety five people. 555 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: I sent it to six people I sent it to. 556 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. It was all blind. I couldn't see 557 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: who else. 558 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want I didn't want to be revealing 559 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: you know who the email addresses, other sources, other emails. 560 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 2: Bill barn Well just blowing me up. Now he's got 561 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 2: my email address. I mean, I think we're okay. 562 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: That's a good point. Yeah, maybe, yeah. You know, men, 563 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 1: she's a big star. She's not gonna want to want 564 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: DJ contact in her out of out of draft. 565 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: Season public beckets public. We got big problems. 566 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: So okay, I guess you don't have any big takes 567 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: on I kind of buried read Blanken ship in the end, 568 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: by the way, it can't. It feels like he's a 569 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 1: solid player, just the guy. I always overrate safeties, by 570 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: the way, because I think they're good, and I think 571 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: there's more average to plus starters available in free agency, 572 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: but they just never get paid. So there's some fun 573 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: guys out there, liking Allie Gilman, like a Jalen Hawkins 574 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: who started the Super Bowl. Jalen Thompson's been a pretty 575 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: good player for the the Cardinals. If you need a safety, 576 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: you can find when Jaquan Brisker, who's. 577 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 2: The biggest Who are the bigger guys in this group? 578 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: I mean he's Brisker a bigger guy or he just I. 579 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: Don't think he was super tall. He's physical. Yeah, I'd 580 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: be curious about that because I've talked to in teams 581 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: talking about the draft stuff during this time of year, 582 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna do something in the at the combine 583 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 2: kind of like a searching for Seahawks thing. And if 584 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: you look at the craze right now and all the 585 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: all the leagues trying to find which is the the 586 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 2: Derwin Emon Warri Hamilton, you know big Nickel that can 587 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 2: you know, do a lot of different things, but can 588 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 2: be your force player. There teams trying to find that guy. 589 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, Donovan Wilson. Is he a big guy for 590 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: the Cowboys six feet. 591 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: Basically just see who played in that role, you know. 592 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: But he's again a lesser guy. Jaquan Brisker I struggled 593 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: with just because of the concussion history. I never thought 594 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: he'd have a season where, you know, he's one of 595 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: the NFL leaders and snaps last year, So good on 596 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: him for getting healthy. All right, that's DJ helping me 597 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: out with my list. I'm not sure how much it helped, 598 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: but jasponing now because his name is first on the 599 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: call sheet forties and free agents. 600 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: I like that my responsibility doesn't change at all. I 601 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: get the nice promotion to bump to the top of 602 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: the page and I don't have to do anything extra. 603 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: And you get carried on on this episode. But it's 604 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: all changing now. It's draft season. Next episode we will 605 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: do a combine preview. I'm really looking forward to that one. 606 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: I won't be able to see you in Indianapolis because 607 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: DJ's got like just security around. You're gonna be there, though, 608 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: of course I'm gonna be for first handful of days. 609 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: I get out of there by the time, you know, 610 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: the real meat of it starts for you. But I'm there, 611 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 1: You're you paying your own way there. 612 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: They're actually sending this. 613 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: Well, who knows what's going on, but no, we are 614 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: NFL Daily, will be there. We got some interviews on 615 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: the books with some gms. Maybe maybe we can get 616 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: a coach in the mix. Uh, that'll be next time 617 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: on forties and free agents. We will see you next week. 618 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: Hey, let me know when your train gets in. I'll 619 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: see if I can pick you up.