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Speaker 1: month of April, which is the time of Earth Day.

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Speaker 1: A lot of environmental conversation happening now on climate change,

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Speaker 1: thought we'd bring back this classic episode where we were

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Speaker 1: of those things. So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is Annie'smantha, I do come to stuff I've never

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Speaker 1: told you protection of iHeartRadio. My question for you today

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Speaker 1: is on this lovely earth Day, Happy earth Day. Yes

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Speaker 1: not as you're listening to this, it's a little late,

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Speaker 1: but as for birthday.

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Speaker 2: When you were growing up, was the.

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Speaker 1: Environment and kind of environmentalism important to you.

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Speaker 4: We definitely had Earth Day in my schools and we

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Speaker 4: But as I've said on this show many at times

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Speaker 4: said on the Daily zeit guys, I think they're overrated

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Speaker 4: But I've never been big into any of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: I think part of that is because growing up in

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Speaker 4: But that's how far away and far I was growing up.

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Speaker 4: So of course recycling was not in my purview at all.

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Speaker 4: Everything was about convenience. And you know, I think you

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Speaker 1: Oh y, yes, So we're just doing short bios on

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Speaker 2: stood out.

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Speaker 1: She was the first woman to serve as the Chief

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Speaker 1: Scientist for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association or INAA,

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Speaker 1: and she was the chair of Google Earth's Advisory Council

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Speaker 1: for the Ocean. As an expert on oil spills, she's

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Speaker 1: provided counsel in some of the most high profile cases

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Speaker 1: of that. She's also been instrumental in oceanic and marine preservation.

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Speaker 1: Most recently, she has worked as the president and chairwoman

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Speaker 1: of Mission Blue, where she has been developing a biodiverse

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Speaker 1: network of protected marine areas called hope spots. Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: really cool, Like there's pictures of it, like chloral and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Her story is really cool and we could have Yeah,

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Speaker 1: definitely a whole episode's worth there, But I recommend checking

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Speaker 1: her out for sure.

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing she's kind of like one of those that

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Speaker 4: people like, see I want to be that when they're

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Speaker 4: talking about marine biologists.

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Speaker 3: Yes, because she seems to live that life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's talk about Rosalie Edge. Rosalie Edge grew

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Speaker 4: up wealthy in New York City and as a young

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Speaker 4: woman was a fierce suffragist. With the passage of the

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Speaker 4: Nineteenth Amendment, she set her sights on gender and justices

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Speaker 4: taking place at the National Audubon Society, a society for

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Speaker 4: birds if you're unclear. Edge managed to oust the corrupt

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Speaker 4: directors of the organization, and this was a big deal.

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Speaker 4: She'd become fed up with the mainstream, male dominated environmentalism,

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Speaker 4: influenced by timber corporations and trophy hunters and rangers and

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Speaker 4: pesticide developers and things like that, and yet they would

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Speaker 4: be the big bad of.

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Speaker 2: The audubonn Society.

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Speaker 4: I would think, who knows her work really changed the

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Speaker 4: landscape of environmentalism in this country. She created the Emergency

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Speaker 4: Conservation Committee, which she used to preserve eight thousand acres

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Speaker 4: of sugar pines in Yosemite, Thank You, and made way

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Speaker 4: for the founding of two national parks, Olympic National Parks

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Speaker 4: and Kings Canyon. She stepped in after the Autobund Society

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Speaker 4: declined to back a hawk sanctuary that she was pushing for,

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Speaker 4: using her own funds to create herself Hawk Mountain Sanctuary,

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Speaker 4: the first preserve for the birds of prey in the world,

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Speaker 4: and she ran the sanctuary for the rest of her

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Speaker 4: life and changed who an activist looked like in what

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Speaker 4: they could do. She spoke out about the dangers of

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Speaker 4: DDT fourteen years before Rachel Carson's Silent Spring. A nineteen

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Speaker 4: forty eight magazine called her the most honest, unselfish, indomitable

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Speaker 4: hellcat in the history of conservation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want that title.

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Speaker 3: I want to be the indomitable hellcat.

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Speaker 2: That's an awesome title.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So she with this Audubon Society.

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Speaker 1: She heard that, like, among other things, they were allowing

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Speaker 1: people to hunt and trap birds. Yeah, on this, and

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Speaker 1: she showed up and used the things she learned being

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Speaker 1: a suffragist and like asked these really tough questions and

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Speaker 1: then managed to get her hands on the mailing list

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Speaker 1: of all the members and sent out these flyers like

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Speaker 1: you know what they're doing up there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. If there was a movie, yeah, based on this,

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Speaker 4: they would be the big bad and she would be

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Speaker 4: the superhero.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love it. I love it so much.

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Speaker 1: We do have a couple more women we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about, but first we have one more brick forward

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Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsored, And

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Speaker 1: we're back with Marina Silva, who was born on a

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Speaker 1: rubber plantation in the Amazon in Brazil. She was illiterate

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Speaker 1: until the age of sixteen, but then she went on

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Speaker 1: to get a history degree. This was after she had

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Speaker 1: a pretty severe about a couple of severe bouts of

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Speaker 1: illness and a lot of tragedy in her family. In

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Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty she helped found Brazil's independent trade union

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Speaker 1: movement and participated in peaceful demonstrations with other forest dwellers

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Speaker 1: against deforestation, not only for the harm it did the environment,

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Speaker 1: but also two indigenous communities that lived in those forests.

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Speaker 1: She became the country's youngest senator after her election in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. From two thousand and three to two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, she acted as Brazil's environmental minister and

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Speaker 1: ran for president a handful of times, once as a

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Speaker 1: representative of the Green Party, and.

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Speaker 2: She didn't win, but she got close.

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Speaker 1: Like she was in the top three, she was and

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Speaker 1: is very active in anti deforestation efforts and in preserving

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Speaker 1: the Amazon. As of now, she is the acting spokesperson

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Speaker 1: and leader of the Sustainability Party. For her work with

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Speaker 1: the environment, she has been nominated and won several awards,

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Speaker 1: including the United Nations Environmental Program naming her one of

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Speaker 1: the Champions of the Earth. The topic of deforestation in

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Speaker 1: Brazil is a hot topic to this day. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: those were those devastating fires in the Amazon, and Silva

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Speaker 1: continues to speak out against government policies and actions that

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Speaker 1: are bad for the environment, and as we say at

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Speaker 1: the top, with the President Biden's climate some happening right now.

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Speaker 1: I got a news item right before I came in

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Speaker 1: about her talking about this and about what the Brazilian

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Speaker 1: government has been doing or not doing in terms of

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Speaker 1: the environment.

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Speaker 4: All right, So Peggy Shepherd who has been active in

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Speaker 4: environmental justice since the nineteen eighties. As part of this,

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Speaker 4: she co founded and serves as the executive director for

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Speaker 4: we Act for Environmental Justice, a nonprofit based in New York.

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Speaker 4: She started out as a journalist, writing for Black Enterprise

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Speaker 4: magazine and writing speeches for politicians, and Shepherd was very

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Speaker 4: involved in politics, particularly involving the intersection of environmental issues

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Speaker 4: and communities of people of color. She was once arrested

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Speaker 4: for protesting the leakage of a SEWIS system in a

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Speaker 4: nearby river, and just last year in twenty twenty, she

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Speaker 4: was appointed to New York's Environmental Justice Advisory Board, and

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one, she was appointed to the White

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Speaker 4: House Environmental Justice Advisory Council.

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Speaker 3: And not only that, she.

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Speaker 4: Also acts as a trustee for the Environmental Defense Fund

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Speaker 4: and holds a position on the executive committee of the

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Speaker 4: National Black Environmental Justice Network.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she's doing a lot. I know everyone on here.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think we do a whole episodes

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Speaker 1: on everybody on here. They're all doing amazing stuff. Let's

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Speaker 1: finish out this list with Joannetal. She's a member of

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Speaker 1: the Oglala Lakota in South Dakota, and beginning in the seventies,

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Speaker 1: she became really active in preserving the land there. She

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Speaker 1: protested uranium mining in the area and the potential of

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Speaker 1: nuclear testing in the Black Hills. For her work, she

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Speaker 1: has won awards and recognition, and she went on to

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Speaker 1: co found a think tank focused on public health and

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Speaker 1: land issues called Native Resource Coalition. Over the years, she

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Speaker 1: has continued to be outspoken about environmental issues and fight

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Speaker 1: for environmental justice, especially for her indigenous community. So these

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Speaker 1: are some amazing women that show that, yes, women have

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Speaker 1: been and are doing this work around environmentalism and also

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Speaker 1: these intersections of that, because I do think that when

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Speaker 1: it comes to sort of the corporate mainstream green earth packaging,

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Speaker 1: you can forget all of the things that the environment

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Speaker 1: touches and all the intersections there. And so I love,

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Speaker 1: I'm so inspired by what these women are.

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Speaker 4: Doing right and yeah, and just to be able to celebrate.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I'm sure they're exhausted.

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Speaker 2: No work never ends, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Ever, Well, listeners, if there's anyone we missed, or if

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Speaker 1: you would like us to expand any of these bios

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Speaker 1: out into a full episode, let us know. You can

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Speaker 1: email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Instagram at stuff I've Never

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Speaker 1: Told You or on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks as always to our super producer Christina.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Christina, and thanks to.

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