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Speaker 4: I felt more great and powerful when Christopher Sanchez was
Speaker 4: still at full strength yesterday. But I'm doing well, man.
Speaker 4: Let's talk through some of this stuff. We can use
Speaker 4: this as kind of like a therapy session for some
Speaker 4: of our players today because I like to been a
Speaker 4: big Justin Martinez guy, and that doesn't look great today either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got a couple of topics we're going to
Speaker 3: hit just on the here. We want to talk about closers,
Speaker 3: and we want to talk about injuries, and unfortunately injuries
Speaker 3: kind of move around to everybody. Let's start with the
Speaker 3: closer situation, though we'll be waiting see if we get
Speaker 3: any of our guys. We got a couple questions in
Speaker 3: the queue. We'll hit a few things, so drop him
Speaker 3: in for anybody hanging. But closers are getting kind of weird.
Speaker 3: The very first one, I want to get your take
Speaker 3: on this. Joey's backtracking a little bit. Joey piece of Pia,
Speaker 3: but he was kind of having an implication, the implication
Speaker 3: of Emmanuel class A and kind of being like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, and then he backtracks a little bit, except
Speaker 3: he was doing it because of because of Cad Smith
Speaker 3: getting back to back staves. But they had said they
Speaker 3: wanted to give class a couple of days off. There's
Speaker 3: some like arm fatigue that's going on. Doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: anything serious, but there's a lot of closer situations that
Speaker 3: are kind of fluid right now. So the question to
Speaker 3: you to start with is is should we be worried
Speaker 3: at all about class A? There is a shoulder thing
Speaker 3: that I think is a worry. I don't think kid
Speaker 3: Smith is a worry or the early results, but the
Speaker 3: early results maybe being because of the shoulders the problem.
Speaker 3: So what's your worry level of Emmanuel class.
Speaker 4: Ah, it's kind of high. I mean, even going back
Speaker 4: to the playoffs last year, he didn't look good. If
Speaker 4: you look below the surface, there's nothing that's like jumping
Speaker 4: off the page that you necessarily The strikeout rate being
Speaker 4: down is the only thing that I can really point to,
Speaker 4: but like he's still not allowing a ton of hard contact.
Speaker 4: The walk rate is only five point seven percent. If
Speaker 4: you look at his sierra it's three seventy three. A
Speaker 4: lot of the era estimators are pretty good, but the
Speaker 4: velocity dip is kind of drastic. Last year he was
Speaker 4: averaging almost one hundred and ninety nine point eight on
Speaker 4: his fastball. This year's at ninety eight point two. Everything
Speaker 4: is kind of down. Every pitch is down at least
Speaker 4: a tick or so in velocity, and he hasn't been
Speaker 4: good going back to the playoffs last year. So I
Speaker 4: am a little bit worried. If you have kid Smith
Speaker 4: out there on the waiver wire and you're a class
Speaker 4: A owner. I would be adding him up like asap
Speaker 4: if you can.
Speaker 3: Okay, that was what I was going to ask, is
Speaker 3: do you think CAD is like a must in this situation? So,
Speaker 3: and I think the shoal that's where it's kind of
Speaker 3: weird here because it's like a what am I doing
Speaker 3: with class say, like, I'm just not doing anything. Like
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I'm not going to panic.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to freak out. But if you've got
Speaker 3: the ability, it's probably not the worst thing in the
Speaker 3: world to go pick up Kid Smith because he is
Speaker 3: the replacement if there's something worse with that shoulder. I mean,
Speaker 3: hell man, like, that's gonna be one of the top
Speaker 3: closer markets out there, especially if they're going to get
Speaker 3: and he has looked really good so far. Okay, so
Speaker 3: caate Smith pick up Arizona Diamondbacks. There's worry you were
Speaker 3: justin Martinez guy. I've been an AJ puck guy. I
Speaker 3: think I had a slight lead in that, and then
Speaker 3: Ajpuck hurt, I l MRI and then second and third opinions.
Speaker 3: We know exactly what that means. We're not stupid. This
Speaker 3: is not our first rodeo, we know where that's going. Okay,
Speaker 3: Justin Martinez, he's moving up, he's got some fatigue and
Speaker 3: some army sh use as well that they're kind of
Speaker 3: tapering back. So here's the thing. A, do you go
Speaker 3: all in on Justin Martinez? B Do you speculate on
Speaker 3: a guy like Shelby Miller who they love? His fastball
Speaker 3: is graded out incredible, he did have like a prior
Speaker 3: to the blown save, he was untouchable, but his little
Speaker 3: blown save they ended up getting the wind, but they
Speaker 3: really like him. Or see, do you look at a
Speaker 3: guy and speculate on Kevin Ginko right now who is
Speaker 3: inching closer to coming back and he had been thrown
Speaker 3: in the mix by Tory Levello, So which obviously, like
Speaker 3: Justin Martinez is like the main piece here, but like
Speaker 3: in ordering, what is the most aggressive play here? Is
Speaker 3: it going all in on Martinez to kind of buy
Speaker 3: or is it speculating on the other two pieces?
Speaker 4: I think with Martinez, I still don't really know how
Speaker 4: serious it is. They're saying it's shoulder fatigue, but they're
Speaker 4: also saying he's very close to one hundred percent. That's
Speaker 4: what the quote from Lebello said, So, I don't think
Speaker 4: we need to sound all the alarm bells, but especially
Speaker 4: in deeper leagues, if you have a little bit more
Speaker 4: leeway to pick up players, picking up Shelby Miller for
Speaker 4: the time being probably makes a little bit of sense
Speaker 4: if you're looking for like very short term saves. But
Speaker 4: Kevin Ginkel is the guy who has some experience in
Speaker 4: the role. They've never really let him run with the role.
Speaker 4: Four saves, five saves here and there, but he's put
Speaker 4: up really good numbers over the last several seasons three
Speaker 4: thirty eight, ERA two forty eight, three twenty one, really
Speaker 4: good numbers. Doesn't walk a lot of batters. I think
Speaker 4: that Ginkle, if I was running the team, would probably
Speaker 4: get the job when he comes back, assuming there's something
Speaker 4: more seriously wrong with Martinez. But I think Martinez as
Speaker 4: of now, my concerns aren't off the charts until we
Speaker 4: get a little bit more information.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess again the theme of that is
Speaker 3: like do you go and you're like, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: buy on Justin Martinez right now because we know Puck
Speaker 3: is going to be done and there's a little bit
Speaker 3: of worry with Martinez or is it like, oh, you
Speaker 3: kind of avoid and you play in that speculation. Mark,
Speaker 3: I think an investment on Ginkle right now actually makes
Speaker 3: a lot of sense. I'm a little bit Shelby millerish,
Speaker 3: but I guess it's like even if Shelby gets an
Speaker 3: opportunity or too, when Ginkle comes back, Like you said,
Speaker 3: he's like the guy Banshee said, what about Beaks? I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Lavello is obviously making lots of
Speaker 3: bad decisions. There's just too many guys that are above him.
Speaker 3: I don't think Beeks is I think Beaks is low
Speaker 3: down the rings. But you know what if all these
Speaker 3: dudes keep getting hurt, you never know, right Beeks.
Speaker 4: Being the only lefty is going to work against him
Speaker 4: in that regard because there will be times when Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm assume, I'm assuming Puk is just gone
Speaker 4: and he'll be the only lefty, so that kind of
Speaker 4: works against him. I don't think that he's an option
Speaker 4: unless you're in a saves and holds the league.
Speaker 3: Will vest for the Tigers. Head got a couple opportunities
Speaker 3: and look good. What is your comfort level or your
Speaker 3: desire of investment? On Will Vest. If if Ginkle was
Speaker 3: out there and Vest, which one are you picking up?
Speaker 4: I'd probably go with Ginkle. It's a better team. There's
Speaker 4: gonna be more victories. I feel like, especially if Martinez
Speaker 4: we hear he has to miss a lot of time
Speaker 4: and podcasts miss a lot of time, then Ginkle becomes
Speaker 4: a pretty obvious option. Where in Detroit they could go
Speaker 4: back to Conley next week and it wouldn't really shock me.
Speaker 4: I know he blew a save on Sunday, but he
Speaker 4: has also been not too bad this year as a whole,
Speaker 4: you know, one O four E R eight to this point.
Speaker 4: I know that he blew a save, but I don't
Speaker 4: really trust anybody in Detroit. I feel like it's a
Speaker 4: situation where you pick up one guy for one week
Speaker 4: and maybe they go with Conley and maybe they go
Speaker 4: with Vest, and you're kind of just chasing your tail
Speaker 4: on the waiver wire and wasting your fab on this situation.
Speaker 4: It's not a team that's gonna win a ton of games,
Speaker 4: So how many saves are you really getting, especially if
Speaker 4: they're gonna mess around like this. I just I just
Speaker 4: can't get myself invested in the Detroit Closer situation unless
Speaker 4: it's a super deep league and you're really desperate, in
Speaker 4: which case I'd probably still go with Conley is there.
Speaker 3: Do you have any concerns moving over to the Kansas
Speaker 3: City Royals with Carlos Estevez blowing a save? I think
Speaker 3: Erseeg has been a little bit banged up, but he's
Speaker 3: like the dude that it was kind of in the
Speaker 3: wings as the closer before. Do you think people should
Speaker 3: be concerned in speculating off of Carlos Estevez right now?
Speaker 4: So, I don't think we need to sound the alarms
Speaker 4: just yet for Estevez because leading up to that start,
Speaker 4: he'd only allowed one run on the season. It was
Speaker 4: a it was a bad start. It was a blown save.
Speaker 4: It happens, I now. I was definitely more in the
Speaker 4: Erseg camp preseason, but after really thinking about it and
Speaker 4: the arbitration money that they're gonna have to pay uh
Speaker 4: Erseg in the offseason, they're not gonna want to have
Speaker 4: to go into that meeting with Erseg having twenty five
Speaker 4: saves because they're gonna have to pay him more. STZ
Speaker 4: has been a closed in the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: I don't think that the talent level is better with Stevez.
Speaker 4: I think Erseg is a much better pitcher, but just
Speaker 4: based on Kansas City situation, it's probably gonna be Erseg
Speaker 4: outside of an injury. Now, maybe later in the season,
Speaker 4: Let's say they're making a playoff push and we're getting
Speaker 4: done to the final two months and Stevez doesn't look great,
Speaker 4: then they're not gonna worry so much about how many
Speaker 4: saves Erseg is gonna have. And there's a chance that
Speaker 4: are excuse me, how many saves asked them? Or no,
Speaker 4: I'm getting myself confused. They're not going to care about
Speaker 4: arbitration money for saves. If Ersag is the closer for
Speaker 4: just the last month or two of the season, I
Speaker 4: think there's a chance that could happen, but I think
Speaker 4: Askedebez is still the guy.
Speaker 3: Is there any other closer situations and or guys of
Speaker 3: speculation that have you worried or have picked your interest
Speaker 3: so worried about any other situations, Like you said, you're
Speaker 3: kind of picking up Cad Smith. Obviously. You know Yankees
Speaker 3: have been Devin Williams been a little bit shaky, and
Speaker 3: I think Fernando Cruz had gotten a save and you
Speaker 3: got Weaver out there. But is there any other speculative
Speaker 3: worry or is there any other guy that you think
Speaker 3: it's looming of interest?
Speaker 4: I mean, the Cincinnati situation is always a little bit interesting.
Speaker 4: Alexis Diaz, I just don't really trust him, and he's
Speaker 4: the one who's still on more rosters if I'm looking
Speaker 4: at just like Yahoo now, Emliopegan blew a save last week,
Speaker 4: but for the most part he's been pretty good. That's
Speaker 4: a situation I'm really keeping an eye on because I'm
Speaker 4: not one hundred percent sure about which way they're going
Speaker 4: to go. But I see Pegan I was on thirty
Speaker 4: five percent of rosters. Diaz is on fifty five. I
Speaker 4: think that even the people who are more believers in
Speaker 4: Daz should be a little bit worried right now. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's looked good for a while. And because
Speaker 4: Terry Francona wasn't the one who put him in that
Speaker 4: closure role, I don't think he'll have much loyalty towards
Speaker 4: keeping him there or putting him back there. So that's
Speaker 4: what I'm keeping an eye on. But I think the
Speaker 4: Pagan is going to be the guy to roster there personally,
Speaker 4: I know I might be in the minority there, but
Speaker 4: I'm kind of still on the pagan side.
Speaker 3: I think Diaz is going to jump back to it.
Speaker 3: I actually if Diaz are available, I want to speculate there.
Speaker 3: But there's also a part of me that this Reds
Speaker 3: team is going to be like highly competitive, that they
Speaker 3: that might be something you have to make a move for.
Speaker 3: You know, they went out and got Taylor Rodgers and
Speaker 3: they brought in Pegan like they got a bunch of
Speaker 3: help and never worked out, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like none of those guys, so you might need to
Speaker 3: keep going. But unfortunately, how many sellers are there out there?
Speaker 3: So I think if Pegan and Diaz are both available,
Speaker 3: those are fun speculative guys. There's a lot of Arizona
Speaker 3: guys closer situations are weird and at the tippy top.
Speaker 3: Obviously a couple of those big names like Emmanuel Classe
Speaker 3: have people worried if you, I guess I didn't ask
Speaker 3: you this, what would be your rank of your top
Speaker 3: three speculative pickups? Like is Caid Smith at the tippy
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Caid Smith has got to be at the top there.
Speaker 4: If he goes into that, like let's say class they
Speaker 4: say that some injury has to miss a few months
Speaker 4: of time, then Kate Smith becomes like a top five
Speaker 4: or seven closer. The skill set is just unbelievable. Like
Speaker 4: he is truly one of the best pitchers in baseball.
Speaker 4: As the best relievers in baseball, I'll put that caveat there,
Speaker 4: but he is just fantastic. If he were the closer,
Speaker 4: then I think he's easily a top ten closer rest
Speaker 4: of the season, assuming that clause like let's say class
Speaker 4: is done, which I don't think is necessarily the case.
Speaker 4: But if he were, Kate Smith is a top ten closer.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm with that one. I think it works. We
Speaker 3: had another closer question as well. Elsba said, should I
Speaker 3: trade Tanner Scott or Kyle Finnegan for Ryan Helsley says,
Speaker 3: I got Alvarado and Mason Miller, so we'll kind of
Speaker 3: stop there for a second. So Tanner Scott, that's a
Speaker 3: kind of a weird one. Should I trade Tanner, Scott
Speaker 3: or Finnegan for Hellsley? Already having Miller and Alvarado, I
Speaker 3: would feel like the quick answer is.
Speaker 4: Like, yes, probably. Helsley worries me a little bit. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's been that great this season. I know
Speaker 4: he's got a few saves, two twenty five era is
Speaker 4: not too bad. I worry a little bit about the
Speaker 4: injuries that he's racked up over the years, and I
Speaker 4: wonder if his arm is gonna be able to stay
Speaker 4: healthy for the whole season. I think that i'd probably
Speaker 4: trade Scott for him, though. Kyle Finnegan just seems to
Speaker 4: be the guy that nobody was interested in, and he's
Speaker 4: gonna do what he did last year once again, and
Speaker 4: maybe it's not going to be forty saves, but it'll
Speaker 4: be like thirty something saves that were absolutely free. I
Speaker 4: don't really trust Scott as much just because there are
Speaker 4: so many Bible options in Los Angeles. It's a tricky
Speaker 4: one because I don't really have a lot of faith
Speaker 4: in Hellsley either. On there's a part of me that says,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe you could trade some of these closers
Speaker 4: for a non closer, because having Alvarado and Mason Miller
Speaker 4: is probably good enough in most leagues, don't.
Speaker 3: You think I do? That's why I was like, if
Speaker 3: I guess if there was a market the Tanner Scott
Speaker 3: one's really weird because the whole Dodgers that's another one
Speaker 3: of those we didn't really I guess, like focus on
Speaker 3: Vesia is getting opportunities, Kirby Gates is getting opportunities. Like
Speaker 3: they're still very rotational with all of that. So if
Speaker 3: you're just looking to pick up a random save, Kirby
Speaker 3: Yates is not the worst to be looking at right now.
Speaker 3: But like, what's the value on getting fin again and
Speaker 3: Tanner Scott? But I would be more hard pressed to
Speaker 3: trade them for positional players, like you said, than targeting
Speaker 3: another closer Alvarado Mason Miller. That's getting it done. But
Speaker 3: if there is no market for that and someone's offering Hellsley, Like,
Speaker 3: you know, Helsy was a top ten closer coming into
Speaker 3: this year. Things are weird. But you know, if the
Speaker 3: Cardinals were to fade, he's probably a guy that ends
Speaker 3: up getting moved and maybe he goes into a closer
Speaker 3: sit Maybe our Reds goes into a closure situation. So
Speaker 3: I don't really hate I don't hate doing that. I
Speaker 3: just wish Tanner Scott would turn it around. The Finnegan
Speaker 3: one stands out to me like I'll trade Fin again
Speaker 3: for Helsley. That's fine, Totally fine by me. We had
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Speaker 3: the discord. Elsba Rico had also thrown in thoughts on
Speaker 3: Strider and I want to do this because the other
Speaker 3: thing we were going to talk about, and then we'll
Speaker 3: just answer a few of these last questions. We're getting
Speaker 3: out and we got our voy mctunda wants to come up.
Speaker 3: Is we had a couple big injuries. The two biggest
Speaker 3: art Strider, which seems to be okay, just as giant hamstrings,
Speaker 3: it's not on our issue. But then Chris Sanchez, who
Speaker 3: went fifty something inning our pitches, his velo was down.
Speaker 3: But as we're recording this today, they had no expectation
Speaker 3: there's any structural damage. They're not even going to perform
Speaker 3: an MRI, but he is going to miss a start.
Speaker 3: So your level of worry between Chris Sanchez and Spencer
Speaker 3: Strider is what for Strider.
Speaker 4: It's not too bad. They've said it's a Grade one
Speaker 4: strain and I am very far from a doctor, but
Speaker 4: from what I've understood, it's like a few days to
Speaker 4: maybe a few weeks at most, So that one's not concerning,
Speaker 4: especially because it's not the arm. Right. If it was
Speaker 4: anything to do with his arm, oh boy, that would
Speaker 4: have been serious. Trouble probably for Strider. With Sanchez, why
Speaker 4: are they not just gonna do the MRI? I don't
Speaker 4: understand it? Is it so much of it? Is it
Speaker 4: that taxing on him? Is it that expensive? Like? What's
Speaker 4: the reason to not do it? And why not just
Speaker 4: make sure? Even though like he said yesterday, his quote was,
Speaker 4: I've never felt something like that when I was pitching before.
Speaker 4: Why would you not just do some imaging and just
Speaker 4: make sure you're not missing something? I don't really understand
Speaker 4: that point of view. It feels like it's kind of
Speaker 4: the Phillies being lazy or something, which I don't necessarily
Speaker 4: know if they are or not. But they also just
Speaker 4: signed Jordan Romano and gave him money when there was
Speaker 4: no real reason to when he was coming off a
Speaker 4: bunch of injuries. So my head right now with the
Speaker 4: Phillies is what are they doing surrounding injuries that other
Speaker 4: teams are not? And with Sanchez, I don't know why
Speaker 4: you wouldn't just give him the scan. That part of
Speaker 4: it makes me worried for sure. Maybe I'm reading too
Speaker 4: much into it, but just give him a clean bill
Speaker 4: of health. He says he's feeling okay, But why not
Speaker 4: just make sure well he was checked out.
Speaker 3: The doctor looked at looked at it there internally and
Speaker 3: just determined that there's nothing. But yeah, to be on
Speaker 3: the safe side, it'd be nice just to go get
Speaker 3: it checked out. But you know, I think based on it,
Speaker 3: they felt that there were no structural issues. He feels
Speaker 3: better today, so I think those are signs why to
Speaker 3: move through. But again, I'm not going to disagree with you, like,
Speaker 3: let's just be sure about it. So tiny little worry
Speaker 3: maybe on the Crisanchez side. I'm not worried about Strider
Speaker 3: as much. I don't like that he's hitting back the il,
Speaker 3: but it's not an arm issue. So I'm breathing a
Speaker 3: little bit, maybe even buying Strider. But hopefully the injuries
Speaker 3: aren't going to keep taxing themselves up together. I hope not. Hey,
Speaker 3: it's our boy mctund to raise hand. Let's get mctonda
Speaker 3: on what you got brother.
Speaker 6: A question for you there. Somebody dropped Luis Robbers in
Speaker 6: my ten team head to head dynasty league. So right
Speaker 6: now for center fielders, I either have him or Victor
Speaker 6: Scott moving forward. I mean kind of Corby Carrol's had
Speaker 6: centerfield eligibility, so they're kind of floating them there anyway.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's one of those like left field, right field, center.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't have three outfielders.
Speaker 6: We have actual left, right and center and so, but
Speaker 6: who do you like going forward? Luise Robert or Victor Scott.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. It's like the question every week
Speaker 3: it was. It's turned into different things. It was Tristan Cassis,
Speaker 3: it turned into Luise Robert. It's kind of turning again.
Speaker 3: But Robert continuously keeps coming up in this He's hitting
Speaker 3: only one fifty one bunch of stolen bases, seven couple
Speaker 3: homers to sixty seven OVP. That sucks, but it is
Speaker 3: a profile that is very reminiscent of the player that
Speaker 3: we know. In general, his expected batting average is like
Speaker 3: eighty points higher. It's two thirty four. He's barreling more
Speaker 3: than he has, he's hitting the ball as hard, he's
Speaker 3: actually striking out less than last year. The profile screams,
Speaker 3: this is the player that we know, and we know
Speaker 3: there's a trade looming here. I leen Luise Robert. I
Speaker 3: don't even lean, especially because it's keeper. It's Louise Robert.
Speaker 3: He will be traded this off this season and it
Speaker 3: will probably be to a much better team. And he,
Speaker 3: unfortunately is one of these dudes that like, oh, I
Speaker 3: only play with the White Sox, and he kind of
Speaker 3: plays down. He's going to play up when he goes
Speaker 3: to a bigger team. He's loud tools. This is pretty easy,
Speaker 3: Robert for me. But it has been pretty bad so far, Arico,
Speaker 3: what say you? Victor Scott or Luis Robert Jr.
Speaker 4: It's probably still lou Bob, but it's not quite as
Speaker 4: clear for me with the decision. Like Victor Scott has
Speaker 4: been fantastic. He's sitting two ninety eight steals, he's got
Speaker 4: a homer, and he's doing it from the bottom of
Speaker 4: the order too. If he does find his way to
Speaker 4: the top of the lineup, then who knows what he
Speaker 4: could do. But Victor Scott is almost like Chandler Simpson
Speaker 4: if he could hit for a little bit of power,
Speaker 4: maybe not quite as much speed, but that kind of
Speaker 4: profile is really interesting. We've seen lou Bob, whether it's
Speaker 4: been the injuries or the disappointments and the performance like
Speaker 4: it's been a disappointing career for him. I think things
Speaker 4: will turn around eventually. But it's a long stretch now
Speaker 4: where he's been, he's been pretty bad. If he gets traded,
Speaker 4: I would hope that his attitude and everything would turn
Speaker 4: around and his performance would follow, but I'm not necessarily
Speaker 4: assured of that. Like I would still probably take lou Bab,
Speaker 4: But I think this is really really close.
Speaker 3: Personally, I'm surprised it's maybe that that close, But but
Speaker 3: I get it. I understand. I mean, Victor Scott, there's
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of big improvements this year,
Speaker 3: the stolen bases. We just would like to see him
Speaker 3: hitting high on the lineup again. But I guess I'm
Speaker 3: just still a believer. Robert still only twenty seven. I
Speaker 3: know it feels like he's like thirty two. He's only
Speaker 3: twenty seven. The most recent trade rumors were with the Dodgers.
Speaker 3: I really hope he can turn the career around. There
Speaker 3: is some like just knucklehead stuff because you know, he
Speaker 3: seems to kind of play down and and he's streaky
Speaker 3: as well, and maybe streaky isn't like great for everybody.
Speaker 3: Not everybody likes a streaky fantasy player. All Right, we
Speaker 3: got some other questions in here. Let's see what is
Speaker 3: going down. Finner says Yannier is being dropped in a
Speaker 3: bunch of my leagues. Would you drop Austin Wells for
Speaker 3: him in a Points league?
Speaker 4: De Diez, I think I would. I know it's been rough,
Speaker 4: but it's not like Wells has been so great either,
Speaker 4: So I think I would default to where we were
Speaker 4: before the season. I think that Houston's lineup is still
Speaker 4: just as good, if not even better than the Yankees.
Speaker 4: It's probably fairly close. Judge does a lot of the
Speaker 4: heavy lifting there in New York, but I think that
Speaker 4: I would still go with Diaz here.
Speaker 3: I would too. It's ironic that both of those are
Speaker 3: just like bad catchers. We had a lot of people
Speaker 3: This is a very popular question over the last two days.
Speaker 3: Do I drop Austin Wells for Augustin Ramirez? And you
Speaker 3: know he's going mollistic, stolen base attempts, homers, hard to
Speaker 3: hit balls, and it feels like it's a little bit premature.
Speaker 3: A points league makes a lot of this different. I
Speaker 3: think the like Wells and Ramirez or bigger strikeout threats
Speaker 3: than the Yon ear So I would pick up Yanner
Speaker 3: in this one.
Speaker 4: And you're with me, Yeah, Yeah, Augustin Ramirez, though I'm
Speaker 4: pretty excited, like the potential for the power and the speed,
Speaker 4: if only it wasn't for the bad lineup in ballpark.
Speaker 4: But I think I would take him over Wells. Maybe
Speaker 4: that's me being a little bit to reactionary, but is
Speaker 4: that crazy to take him over Wells? Right now?
Speaker 3: Someone asked a question I said, I would probably stick Wells,
Speaker 3: But I'm also okay, Like if it's a ten man league,
Speaker 3: sure like Burn and churn Man, there's only like a
Speaker 3: couple good catchers anyways. If it's a fifteen team league,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Like I guess Ramirez is probably secured,
Speaker 3: especially with how he's playing, but there's like some swing
Speaker 3: and missing his game too. I'm not gonna kill anybody
Speaker 3: that does that. I guess that would be my big thing.
Speaker 3: You want to do that, that's fine. I probably stick
Speaker 3: Austin Wells at the ballpark. But Wells hasn't He hasn't
Speaker 3: really been great either. We actually had another Robert thing.
Speaker 3: The Big Dance said, do I pick up Luis Robert
Speaker 3: in a ten ten team? Rodo outfield is Butler Castiano's
Speaker 3: Cheerio judge would my gut says maybe to drop one
Speaker 3: of my closers. But I'm only leading in saves by two,
Speaker 3: so you didn't give us who the closers are. Would
Speaker 3: Robert versus Castianas is the only one that's close there,
Speaker 3: and Castianis has been really good right now, ten team,
Speaker 3: if you're not leading in saves, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: feel like, based on what you said, you're probably gonna
Speaker 3: not pick up Robert in this scenario.
Speaker 4: I think it's pretty close with Castillanos. I think the
Speaker 4: ceiling is higher, especially if if lu Bob goes to
Speaker 4: the Dodgers, then that would change everything. As of today,
Speaker 4: I think it's probably Castellano still though, And in the
Speaker 4: ten team league like that, there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 4: of options. So even if Castiano's cools off a little bit,
Speaker 4: the fact that lou Bob's already on the waiver wire
Speaker 4: means that there's going to be options for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why, like I could do that. By the way,
Speaker 3: his closers were Luke, Jackson, McGill, Alvarado, Munos, and Hoffman,
Speaker 3: So it's like, could he cut one of those for Robert?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you don't need five closers. That's a little excessive.
Speaker 3: I would, and I would probably drop Luke Jackson of
Speaker 3: all those so probably yeah, okay, so drop Luke Jackson
Speaker 3: to pick up Robert. Then don't worry about your Castiana situation.
Speaker 3: Bing Bang boom, landon Roup is looking good. Would you
Speaker 3: drop Job or Nesky in a ten team head to
Speaker 3: head points league.
Speaker 4: I'm not as impressed with Joe, but the thing is
Speaker 4: he's got relief, picture, eligibility, and in a points league
Speaker 4: that's really valuable. I don't know that rape has it.
Speaker 4: Oh no, you know what rape does have it too.
Speaker 4: On looking at Yahoo, I would make the swap personally
Speaker 4: landing route for Jackson Job in that situation.
Speaker 3: Wait, you would you would go Roupe over Job?
Speaker 4: I would, Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3: I don't think I would. Like he's super interesting right now,
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure that everything is locked down. I
Speaker 3: think it's a short leash.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think I would make that move
Speaker 3: Like at the Job's I think it was his last
Speaker 3: start was pretty encouraging. Was Nesky with the strikeouts? I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stick with those two, but I guess I get it.
Speaker 3: What was was mctime to try to get rid of me.
Speaker 3: This is how do you not have recall announcements for
Speaker 3: your folks that come into sub in on leading off?
Speaker 3: Would love to see Welsh to the vacation list and
Speaker 3: we recall Joey O from cleaning up. You want to
Speaker 3: get rid of me?
Speaker 4: I think he's looking for something on the I think
Speaker 4: you want something on the blurb feed, like the MLB
Speaker 4: account tweeting out like Chris Welsh gone to the disabled list,
Speaker 4: Joe Rico, Oh okay, I think that's what he's looking for,
Speaker 4: which would be kind of funny for the blurb guys
Speaker 4: to do that, but.
Speaker 3: That actually would be really really funny. I was like mctunda,
Speaker 3: I thought we were boys, like everyone's trying to get
Speaker 3: rid of negativity. But I am actually out on Friday,
Speaker 3: So it will be the Joey and Joe show is
Speaker 3: going down Friday's leading off. It'll be a Rico and
Speaker 3: piece of Pia all Joe's all the time to Joe's
Speaker 3: one show, as I will not be there. My first
Speaker 3: non leading off episode I think of the year probably
Speaker 3: going to be one of my only ones. Not much
Speaker 3: on the vacation list, but that would be very funny
Speaker 3: to have that announcement. Would you drop Ben Rice from
Speaker 3: Marcelo Zuna? Is how we will finish this bad boy off?
Speaker 3: What a question?
Speaker 4: And there's got to be somebody else other than Rice, right,
Speaker 4: There's got to be somebody. Rice has just been so good.
Speaker 4: I get maybe in a shallow league he'd be your
Speaker 4: only option. There's it's probably Ozuna Ozona is probably the
Speaker 4: right decision, But dropping Ben Rice feels icky right now.
Speaker 3: Gotta drop somebody else, dude. The game is going on
Speaker 3: right now. We got a heavy set of games going
Speaker 3: on as we're doing the show, probably not helping everyone
Speaker 3: coming in. He's one for two with two runs and
Speaker 3: an RBI. He walked, He's hitting two ninety two. He's
Speaker 3: lead off. I mean, I just I can't I guess
Speaker 3: in that scenario, like it's gotta be Ozuna. But like
Speaker 3: you said, you gotta find somebody else Ben Rice is.
Speaker 3: He's borderlining, like you can't even consider cutting him in
Speaker 3: places I wouldn't in team leagues do make it different,
Speaker 3: of course, but he's so good. The Yankees leadoff hitter
Speaker 3: who's hitting almost three hundred at the end of April,
Speaker 3: who keeps going, who has an insane hitting profile, I
Speaker 3: just was redoing my redraft or my my ranks for
Speaker 3: rest of season. I do them every single week here
Speaker 3: and Fantasy Pro, so it helps some of the algorithm.
Speaker 3: And you guys can check that out, dude. I mean
Speaker 3: Ben Rice and Sodastrom, those guys are both like in
Speaker 3: the top ten range. I think I put them both
Speaker 3: in my top ten first base and rest of season.
Speaker 3: I believe in those guys. I kind of don't have
Speaker 3: a long term belief of like Torkolsen being in that
Speaker 3: same camp, but those two I'm fully in on. I
Speaker 3: just don't know how you make a move for it.
Speaker 3: Like the same thing. What if this question was soda
Speaker 3: Strum or Ozuna? Could you cut Sodastrum?
Speaker 4: No, I couldn't do it. I can do it. The ballpark,
Speaker 4: the fact that he's so much younger, the fact that
Speaker 4: he looks so good. Ozuna's dh only I love I
Speaker 4: mean Ozuo. I'm not gonna say I love Marcelo Zuna,
Speaker 4: but he's a very good fantasy asset. But Tyler Soderstrom
Speaker 4: might be a top fifty player this year, and I
Speaker 4: don't know that we're gonna see quite those heights from
Speaker 4: Ozuna again. We could, but this is this is the
Speaker 4: problem with super shallow leagues. It's very hard to make
Speaker 4: room for everybody. But if it was Sodastrom or Ozuna,
Speaker 4: I would takes oders from there.
Speaker 3: Well look at this els but even updated, So you
Speaker 3: dropped Torklsen for Azuna?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, I wouldn't. Again, I wouldn't feel great about
Speaker 4: it because Torklesen has been fantastic.
Speaker 3: Tork Ben rice Ozuna. What's the order for you?
Speaker 4: It has to be it has to be Torkosen at
Speaker 4: the bottom. It has to be. But man, Torklsen has
Speaker 4: been great this year. Yeah, he's the number sixteen player overall,
Speaker 4: number sixteen overall so far.
Speaker 3: He just heard us though, by the way, he struck
Speaker 3: out literally as we were talking, struck out swinging against
Speaker 3: Kyle Hurt. But yes, I would drop Torkosen for Azuna
Speaker 3: very last one. This is actually a good question.
Speaker 4: Would you.
Speaker 3: Uh Well, it's a good question because like I know
Speaker 3: exactly what I'm doing. But if if it's out there,
Speaker 3: people are wondering, would you drop an injured George Kirby
Speaker 3: to pick up a Caid Smith? And the answer would be.
Speaker 4: No, No, I wouldn't go quite that far. No, I
Speaker 4: couldn't do it.
Speaker 3: He's close.
Speaker 4: Base myself into it for a second, but I couldn't
Speaker 4: make it.
Speaker 3: As far as I'm told he had been here at
Speaker 3: the complex, I was told he left complex. So that means,
Speaker 3: you know, he's in a state where it's really getting close.
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know, if he's in Seattle and he's
Speaker 3: throwing a live session and then he's going to, like,
Speaker 3: you know, bail out and then maybe do one rehab start.
Speaker 3: He seems like he's very close. So it's good to
Speaker 3: talk about Kirby here because I don't think Kirby should
Speaker 3: go anywhere, and I think that's the most importin thing.
Speaker 4: He corrected his message. I think he was talking Kirby Yates,
Speaker 4: not George Kirby here. He added a little, oh yes here.
Speaker 3: Oh well, that's a good question I would go. I
Speaker 3: mean we kind I think we kind of answered that
Speaker 3: we would go Kate Smith over Kirby Yates.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kirby doesn't even have a saved this year yet.
Speaker 4: I mean, as much as we can dream on it,
Speaker 4: he hasn't saved a single game for them this year,
Speaker 4: and Kate Smith already has a couple even with class
Speaker 4: A being around the whole time so far.
Speaker 3: So you know, no, sorry, I'm sorry, I cut you off.
Speaker 3: Keep going.
Speaker 4: No, No, I'm just gonna say, like, Kate Smith as
Speaker 4: a pitcher is in my opinion, much better than Kirby Yates,
Speaker 4: even if we're just like getting rid of the whole
Speaker 4: save thought, but then you're also adding in that Smith
Speaker 4: is in a much better position to get saves right now.
Speaker 4: I think it's got to be him.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about draft time where it was like
Speaker 3: like how crazy people were going with Kirby Gates even
Speaker 3: when Tanner Scott was there, and like Kirby Gates was
Speaker 3: being drafted like really high, and it was like, I
Speaker 3: don't think so, I don't think this is the way
Speaker 3: to go. And he's you know, he's being put in
Speaker 3: leverage situations but he's not there. But Kid Smith would
Speaker 3: definitely definitely be the answer. Friends. If you guys want more, well,
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