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We can use 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:51.800 this as kind of like a therapy session for some 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.560 of our players today because I like to been a 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.360 big Justin Martinez guy, and that doesn't look great today either. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.280 Yeah, we've got a couple of topics we're going to 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.000 hit just on the here. We want to talk about closers, 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.240 and we want to talk about injuries, and unfortunately injuries 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:10.320 kind of move around to everybody. Let's start with the 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.399 closer situation, though we'll be waiting see if we get 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:15.440 any of our guys. We got a couple questions in 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.280 the queue. We'll hit a few things, so drop him 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.400 in for anybody hanging. But closers are getting kind of weird. 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:24.679 The very first one, I want to get your take 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:28.080 on this. Joey's backtracking a little bit. Joey piece of Pia, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.400 but he was kind of having an implication, the implication 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.040 of Emmanuel class A and kind of being like, I 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.960 don't know, and then he backtracks a little bit, except 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.320 he was doing it because of because of Cad Smith 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.400 getting back to back staves. But they had said they 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.600 wanted to give class a couple of days off. There's 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.320 some like arm fatigue that's going on. Doesn't seem like 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:53.760 anything serious, but there's a lot of closer situations that 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.840 are kind of fluid right now. So the question to 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.080 you to start with is is should we be worried 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:01.959 at all about class A? There is a shoulder thing 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.040 that I think is a worry. I don't think kid 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.800 Smith is a worry or the early results, but the 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.359 early results maybe being because of the shoulders the problem. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.919 So what's your worry level of Emmanuel class. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:16.600 Ah, it's kind of high. I mean, even going back 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.000 to the playoffs last year, he didn't look good. If 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.320 you look below the surface, there's nothing that's like jumping 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.200 off the page that you necessarily The strikeout rate being 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.720 down is the only thing that I can really point to, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.560 but like he's still not allowing a ton of hard contact. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.280 The walk rate is only five point seven percent. If 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:35.600 you look at his sierra it's three seventy three. A 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.160 lot of the era estimators are pretty good, but the 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.040 velocity dip is kind of drastic. Last year he was 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.120 averaging almost one hundred and ninety nine point eight on 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.080 his fastball. This year's at ninety eight point two. Everything 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.560 is kind of down. Every pitch is down at least 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.120 a tick or so in velocity, and he hasn't been 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.800 good going back to the playoffs last year. So I 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.640 am a little bit worried. If you have kid Smith 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.480 out there on the waiver wire and you're a class 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.080 A owner. I would be adding him up like asap 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:01.640 if you can. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.720 Okay, that was what I was going to ask, is 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.720 do you think CAD is like a must in this situation? So, 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.960 and I think the shoal that's where it's kind of 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:12.960 weird here because it's like a what am I doing 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.120 with class say, like, I'm just not doing anything. Like 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:16.760 at the end of the day, I'm not going to panic. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.600 I'm not going to freak out. But if you've got 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.800 the ability, it's probably not the worst thing in the 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.919 world to go pick up Kid Smith because he is 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:26.160 the replacement if there's something worse with that shoulder. I mean, 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.840 hell man, like, that's gonna be one of the top 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.120 closer markets out there, especially if they're going to get 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.279 and he has looked really good so far. Okay, so 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.600 caate Smith pick up Arizona Diamondbacks. There's worry you were 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.960 justin Martinez guy. I've been an AJ puck guy. I 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.880 think I had a slight lead in that, and then 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:48.400 Ajpuck hurt, I l MRI and then second and third opinions. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:52.400 We know exactly what that means. We're not stupid. This 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.440 is not our first rodeo, we know where that's going. Okay, 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.480 Justin Martinez, he's moving up, he's got some fatigue and 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.640 some army sh use as well that they're kind of 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:05.680 tapering back. So here's the thing. A, do you go 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:10.599 all in on Justin Martinez? B Do you speculate on 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.760 a guy like Shelby Miller who they love? His fastball 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.559 is graded out incredible, he did have like a prior 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.960 to the blown save, he was untouchable, but his little 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:20.680 blown save they ended up getting the wind, but they 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.400 really like him. Or see, do you look at a 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.080 guy and speculate on Kevin Ginko right now who is 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.760 inching closer to coming back and he had been thrown 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.919 in the mix by Tory Levello, So which obviously, like 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.840 Justin Martinez is like the main piece here, but like 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:39.200 in ordering, what is the most aggressive play here? Is 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.880 it going all in on Martinez to kind of buy 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.120 or is it speculating on the other two pieces? 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.400 I think with Martinez, I still don't really know how 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.920 serious it is. They're saying it's shoulder fatigue, but they're 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.760 also saying he's very close to one hundred percent. That's 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.080 what the quote from Lebello said, So, I don't think 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.040 we need to sound all the alarm bells, but especially 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.800 in deeper leagues, if you have a little bit more 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.520 leeway to pick up players, picking up Shelby Miller for 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.120 the time being probably makes a little bit of sense 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.479 if you're looking for like very short term saves. But 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.120 Kevin Ginkel is the guy who has some experience in 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.880 the role. They've never really let him run with the role. 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.200 Four saves, five saves here and there, but he's put 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.480 up really good numbers over the last several seasons three 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.000 thirty eight, ERA two forty eight, three twenty one, really 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.400 good numbers. Doesn't walk a lot of batters. I think 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.680 that Ginkle, if I was running the team, would probably 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.039 get the job when he comes back, assuming there's something 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.560 more seriously wrong with Martinez. But I think Martinez as 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.800 of now, my concerns aren't off the charts until we 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:43.920 get a little bit more information. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.400 Yeah, and I guess again the theme of that is 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.359 like do you go and you're like, Hey, I'm gonna 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.000 buy on Justin Martinez right now because we know Puck 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:54.760 is going to be done and there's a little bit 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.200 of worry with Martinez or is it like, oh, you 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.960 kind of avoid and you play in that speculation. Mark, 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.920 I think an investment on Ginkle right now actually makes 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.120 a lot of sense. I'm a little bit Shelby millerish, 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.760 but I guess it's like even if Shelby gets an 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.240 opportunity or too, when Ginkle comes back, Like you said, 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.400 he's like the guy Banshee said, what about Beaks? I don't. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.720 I don't think so. Lavello is obviously making lots of 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.480 bad decisions. There's just too many guys that are above him. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.760 I don't think Beeks is I think Beaks is low 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.040 down the rings. But you know what if all these 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:29.000 dudes keep getting hurt, you never know, right Beeks. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:30.760 Being the only lefty is going to work against him 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:35.200 in that regard because there will be times when Yeah, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.160 I mean, I'm assume, I'm assuming Puk is just gone 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:38.720 and he'll be the only lefty, so that kind of 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.560 works against him. I don't think that he's an option 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.800 unless you're in a saves and holds the league. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.160 Will vest for the Tigers. Head got a couple opportunities 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.600 and look good. What is your comfort level or your 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.920 desire of investment? On Will Vest. If if Ginkle was 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.680 out there and Vest, which one are you picking up? 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.960 I'd probably go with Ginkle. It's a better team. There's 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:05.480 gonna be more victories. I feel like, especially if Martinez 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.000 we hear he has to miss a lot of time 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.200 and podcasts miss a lot of time, then Ginkle becomes 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.040 a pretty obvious option. Where in Detroit they could go 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.440 back to Conley next week and it wouldn't really shock me. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.400 I know he blew a save on Sunday, but he 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.760 has also been not too bad this year as a whole, 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.680 you know, one O four E R eight to this point. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:25.400 I know that he blew a save, but I don't 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.560 really trust anybody in Detroit. I feel like it's a 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.880 situation where you pick up one guy for one week 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:31.640 and maybe they go with Conley and maybe they go 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.920 with Vest, and you're kind of just chasing your tail 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.400 on the waiver wire and wasting your fab on this situation. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.920 It's not a team that's gonna win a ton of games, 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.160 So how many saves are you really getting, especially if 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.480 they're gonna mess around like this. I just I just 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.439 can't get myself invested in the Detroit Closer situation unless 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.400 it's a super deep league and you're really desperate, in 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.240 which case I'd probably still go with Conley is there. 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.120 Do you have any concerns moving over to the Kansas 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.319 City Royals with Carlos Estevez blowing a save? I think 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.160 Erseeg has been a little bit banged up, but he's 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.160 like the dude that it was kind of in the 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.839 wings as the closer before. Do you think people should 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.240 be concerned in speculating off of Carlos Estevez right now? 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:13.760 So, I don't think we need to sound the alarms 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.040 just yet for Estevez because leading up to that start, 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.000 he'd only allowed one run on the season. It was 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.760 a it was a bad start. It was a blown save. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.280 It happens, I now. I was definitely more in the 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:28.960 Erseg camp preseason, but after really thinking about it and 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.800 the arbitration money that they're gonna have to pay uh 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.760 Erseg in the offseason, they're not gonna want to have 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.000 to go into that meeting with Erseg having twenty five 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.840 saves because they're gonna have to pay him more. STZ 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.360 has been a closed in the last couple of years. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.800 I don't think that the talent level is better with Stevez. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.800 I think Erseg is a much better pitcher, but just 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.880 based on Kansas City situation, it's probably gonna be Erseg 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.240 outside of an injury. Now, maybe later in the season, 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.439 Let's say they're making a playoff push and we're getting 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:56.520 done to the final two months and Stevez doesn't look great, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.600 then they're not gonna worry so much about how many 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.760 saves Erseg is gonna have. And there's a chance that 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.600 are excuse me, how many saves asked them? Or no, 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.720 I'm getting myself confused. They're not going to care about 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.440 arbitration money for saves. If Ersag is the closer for 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.240 just the last month or two of the season, I 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.839 think there's a chance that could happen, but I think 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:15.000 Askedebez is still the guy. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.600 Is there any other closer situations and or guys of 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.120 speculation that have you worried or have picked your interest 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.480 so worried about any other situations, Like you said, you're 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.360 kind of picking up Cad Smith. Obviously. You know Yankees 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.320 have been Devin Williams been a little bit shaky, and 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.199 I think Fernando Cruz had gotten a save and you 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.960 got Weaver out there. But is there any other speculative 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.120 worry or is there any other guy that you think 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:38.760 it's looming of interest? 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.320 I mean, the Cincinnati situation is always a little bit interesting. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.880 Alexis Diaz, I just don't really trust him, and he's 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.320 the one who's still on more rosters if I'm looking 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:55.920 at just like Yahoo now, Emliopegan blew a save last week, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:57.839 but for the most part he's been pretty good. That's 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.320 a situation I'm really keeping an eye on because I'm 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:01.960 not one hundred percent sure about which way they're going 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:03.679 to go. But I see Pegan I was on thirty 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.079 five percent of rosters. Diaz is on fifty five. I 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.199 think that even the people who are more believers in 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.199 Daz should be a little bit worried right now. I 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.480 don't think he's looked good for a while. And because 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.600 Terry Francona wasn't the one who put him in that 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.880 closure role, I don't think he'll have much loyalty towards 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.800 keeping him there or putting him back there. So that's 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.320 what I'm keeping an eye on. But I think the 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.520 Pagan is going to be the guy to roster there personally, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:25.960 I know I might be in the minority there, but 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:27.839 I'm kind of still on the pagan side. 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.559 I think Diaz is going to jump back to it. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.480 I actually if Diaz are available, I want to speculate there. 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.560 But there's also a part of me that this Reds 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.760 team is going to be like highly competitive, that they 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.600 that might be something you have to make a move for. 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:40.800 You know, they went out and got Taylor Rodgers and 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.160 they brought in Pegan like they got a bunch of 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.719 help and never worked out, you know what I mean, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.240 Like none of those guys, so you might need to 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.760 keep going. But unfortunately, how many sellers are there out there? 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.719 So I think if Pegan and Diaz are both available, 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.280 those are fun speculative guys. There's a lot of Arizona 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.640 guys closer situations are weird and at the tippy top. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.800 Obviously a couple of those big names like Emmanuel Classe 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:06.920 have people worried if you, I guess I didn't ask 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.600 you this, what would be your rank of your top 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:15.160 three speculative pickups? Like is Caid Smith at the tippy 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:16.680 top of everybody we've talked about? 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.240 Does it ever feel like you're a marketing professional. Just 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.720 speaking into the void. Boy, Well, with LinkedIn ads, if 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.240 you can know you're reaching the right decision makers, you 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:33.240 can even target buyers by job title, industry company seniority skills. Wait, 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.800 did I say job title yet? Get started today and 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:37.720 see how you can avoid the void and reach the 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.480 right buyers with LinkedIn ads. We'll even give you a 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:43.600 one hundred dollars credit on your next campaign. Get started 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.160 at LinkedIn dot com slash results, terms and conditions apply. 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.080 Yeah, Caid Smith has got to be at the top there. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.800 If he goes into that, like let's say class they 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.560 say that some injury has to miss a few months 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.560 of time, then Kate Smith becomes like a top five 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.880 or seven closer. The skill set is just unbelievable. Like 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.280 he is truly one of the best pitchers in baseball. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.880 As the best relievers in baseball, I'll put that caveat there, 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.240 but he is just fantastic. If he were the closer, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.240 then I think he's easily a top ten closer rest 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.640 of the season, assuming that clause like let's say class 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:17.680 is done, which I don't think is necessarily the case. 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.120 But if he were, Kate Smith is a top ten closer. 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:22.240 Okay, I'm with that one. I think it works. We 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.480 had another closer question as well. Elsba said, should I 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.640 trade Tanner Scott or Kyle Finnegan for Ryan Helsley says, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.079 I got Alvarado and Mason Miller, so we'll kind of 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:36.839 stop there for a second. So Tanner Scott, that's a 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.040 kind of a weird one. Should I trade Tanner, Scott 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.280 or Finnegan for Hellsley? Already having Miller and Alvarado, I 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.319 would feel like the quick answer is. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.160 Like, yes, probably. Helsley worries me a little bit. I 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.720 don't think he's been that great this season. I know 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.080 he's got a few saves, two twenty five era is 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.240 not too bad. I worry a little bit about the 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.679 injuries that he's racked up over the years, and I 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.080 wonder if his arm is gonna be able to stay 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.439 healthy for the whole season. I think that i'd probably 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.600 trade Scott for him, though. Kyle Finnegan just seems to 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.199 be the guy that nobody was interested in, and he's 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:09.960 gonna do what he did last year once again, and 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:11.920 maybe it's not going to be forty saves, but it'll 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.400 be like thirty something saves that were absolutely free. I 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.600 don't really trust Scott as much just because there are 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:25.680 so many Bible options in Los Angeles. It's a tricky 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.360 one because I don't really have a lot of faith 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.440 in Hellsley either. On there's a part of me that says, 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:31.440 you know, maybe you could trade some of these closers 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.480 for a non closer, because having Alvarado and Mason Miller 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.840 is probably good enough in most leagues, don't. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.280 You think I do? That's why I was like, if 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.840 I guess if there was a market the Tanner Scott 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.560 one's really weird because the whole Dodgers that's another one 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.640 of those we didn't really I guess, like focus on 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:51.120 Vesia is getting opportunities, Kirby Gates is getting opportunities. Like 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:54.160 they're still very rotational with all of that. So if 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.360 you're just looking to pick up a random save, Kirby 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.760 Yates is not the worst to be looking at right now. 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:01.960 But like, what's the value on getting fin again and 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.720 Tanner Scott? But I would be more hard pressed to 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.680 trade them for positional players, like you said, than targeting 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.680 another closer Alvarado Mason Miller. That's getting it done. But 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.800 if there is no market for that and someone's offering Hellsley, Like, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.920 you know, Helsy was a top ten closer coming into 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:17.920 this year. Things are weird. But you know, if the 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.440 Cardinals were to fade, he's probably a guy that ends 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.480 up getting moved and maybe he goes into a closer 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.720 sit Maybe our Reds goes into a closure situation. So 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.920 I don't really hate I don't hate doing that. I 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.480 just wish Tanner Scott would turn it around. The Finnegan 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.320 one stands out to me like I'll trade Fin again 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.560 for Helsley. That's fine, Totally fine by me. We had 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.760 else had another question that's going to coincide with where 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.920 we're going to go. 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The two biggest 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:27.120 art Strider, which seems to be okay, just as giant hamstrings, 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:30.040 it's not on our issue. But then Chris Sanchez, who 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.800 went fifty something inning our pitches, his velo was down. 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:39.440 But as we're recording this today, they had no expectation 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.720 there's any structural damage. They're not even going to perform 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:43.880 an MRI, but he is going to miss a start. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:48.080 So your level of worry between Chris Sanchez and Spencer 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.600 Strider is what for Strider. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.040 It's not too bad. They've said it's a Grade one 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.600 strain and I am very far from a doctor, but 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.560 from what I've understood, it's like a few days to 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.880 maybe a few weeks at most, So that one's not concerning, 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:04.639 especially because it's not the arm. Right. If it was 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.720 anything to do with his arm, oh boy, that would 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:12.359 have been serious. Trouble probably for Strider. With Sanchez, why 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.040 are they not just gonna do the MRI? I don't 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:16.879 understand it? Is it so much of it? Is it 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.120 that taxing on him? Is it that expensive? Like? What's 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.240 the reason to not do it? And why not just 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.480 make sure? Even though like he said yesterday, his quote was, 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.760 I've never felt something like that when I was pitching before. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:28.639 Why would you not just do some imaging and just 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.920 make sure you're not missing something? I don't really understand 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.560 that point of view. It feels like it's kind of 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.160 the Phillies being lazy or something, which I don't necessarily 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.760 know if they are or not. But they also just 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.040