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Speaker 1: And I think, I think you've been doing a really

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Speaker 1: But I also I bounced a lot of ideas of off, Ralph.

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Speaker 1: they haven't had. Basically this year because of an injury.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a dominant low post score, and I

429
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: think that's the one issue right now that gives me

430
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: some pause. But their defense, for for teams that aren't

431
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: used to seeing changing defenses like Dana Almond teams typically

432
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: do that, that can just recab it and create nightmares

433
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, and this team isn't in the Pac twelve,

434
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: but it's the but it's Gonza. They've been basically the

435
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: wire to wire number one team in all the college

436
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: basketball fintashy season, undefeated, and they're on a rampage like

437
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: they have demolished pretty much everybody who's been ranked in

438
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: their way. Do you think that they're just gonna steamroll

439
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: their way to a championship. Look, it's a remarkable run

440
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 1: that you know, Gonzaga has been on so far this season.

441
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: And you're right, I mean, sitting there at the top

442
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: number one. I mean, they are the clear favorite right now.

443
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: And if you had any concerns, um you know, about

444
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: a team like a Bailer for example, taking them out,

445
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: look look at what Oklahoma State was able to accomplish.

446
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: So you know, they won and they're not going to

447
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: be playing for a conference championship in the Big twelve,

448
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: Like right now, I mean, Gonzaga is a team that

449
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: I would point to as you know, my favorite, the

450
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: one that I would assume, Um, you know, it's got

451
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: the best chance of winning a national championship. But once

452
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: again you circle back through, Hey, is Zaga battle tested

453
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: in that conference compared to some of the other teams

454
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: like Olcohol and State's a really good basketball team and Baylor,

455
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, is going down the stretch and they lose

456
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: that game. But Baylor is still super talented, you know.

457
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: I look at a team like Illinois, for example, and

458
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: they just put beat down on Rutgers earlier today. Um,

459
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see that matchup against Michigan. Like,

460
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: to me, there's there's a lot of positives here and

461
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of opportunity for Gonzaga to really showcase

462
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: their their abilities in the uncable A tournament. I'm with you,

463
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: I think they're a favorite. I would pick them to

464
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: make a run to to win another national championship. Yeah

465
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Um. But we're on with Mike

466
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: Yam who spent a long time ten years at the

467
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: Pac twelve network, but he's now over at ESPN, you

468
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: Radio and PAC twelve Radio and the NFL network as

469
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: an anchor and a host. So but Mike, you you

470
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: spent obviously you were there at the PAC twelve network

471
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: when it when it started it. And what do you

472
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: think the PAC twelve that it needs to do to

473
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: get back on track? Well, look, I mean I think

474
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is we're seeing a change in leadership.

475
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: Larry Scott, the bisioner is not going to be there, um,

476
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: you know any longer once the summer comes around, like

477
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: there will be a new commissioner in place. There's new ideas. Uh,

478
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think that change in direction. I think

479
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: is is something that I think the conference and probably Larry.

480
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean I had an opportunity to talk to Larry

481
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: after that decision was made. He actually came on Pactrol

482
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: radio with us, and you know, I think he was

483
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: looking for a reset. I think the conference clearly was

484
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: looking for a reset. And you know, it's how do

485
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: you allocate resources? How do you make sure that your

486
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: teams are going to be able to keep talent on

487
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: the West Coast, You're not losing it to other leagues.

488
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: The focus has to be football. Um, Look, We all

489
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: know that football is kidding when it comes to college athletics,

490
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: it's the biggest driver. And the league has not had

491
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: the success that that it you know, it probably should have.

492
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: Had to be honest with you, and look, I mean,

493
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the commission is not changing the results on the football field,

494
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: and I think anyone who would point to that is

495
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: just completely misguided. But you know, you do need to

496
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: put yourself in a position to succeed. And obviously scheduling

497
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: has been an issue in this conference. Associating at Tom's

498
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: has been an issue as well, and there's been some missteps.

499
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: And then you talk about from a financial standpoint, you

500
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: know where this league is at right now, and it's

501
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily you know, towards the top. You can point

502
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: to the distribution deals for patrol of network and um

503
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: them not getting fully distributed distributed, which was clearly an

504
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: issue for the league in terms of finance. But you know,

505
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: to me, I just can't wait to see where this

506
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: league goes because there's a ton of talent on the

507
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: West Coast. There's some really strong teams that can really

508
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: make a run. But they got to get over the hump.

509
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: And you know, it starts for getting a college football

510
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: playoff team in the mix and then winning a national

511
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: championship because there's been too much of a draught and

512
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: and right now the league is just not as relevant

513
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: as it should be in football. I would agree with

514
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Speaker 1: all of that, Mike. So do you think that the

515
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: uh that the I would say that the prevailing criticisms

516
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: of the PAC twelve leadership do you think that they

517
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: were unfounded or do you think that they were? Well?

518
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: I would say, do do you think that the criticisms

519
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: were unfair or unfounded? Look, no one runs a perfect shop, right,

520
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go across the board and look

521
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: where sports fans I'll use the sports analogy, and you're

522
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna make mistakes. As a head coach. That's going to happen.

523
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: Players are going to make mistakes out there. I don't

524
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Speaker 1: think that you can look at what's happened on the

525
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: West Coast and the PACTWAL Conference for you know, basically

526
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: the last decade and say it's been flawless, like there's

527
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: no way. I mean, hell, Larry Scott would tell you.

528
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: He said the same thing on PACTUAL radio. What doesn't

529
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: mean there's obviously been missteps and of course people would

530
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: do things a little bit differently. I mean, there's a

531
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Speaker 1: few things that I would have done, but hindsight is

532
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: and you can't mondate more than quarterback a lot of

533
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: these decisions. But you know, do I think some of

534
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: the stuff has been fair that's been reported, sure, But

535
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: there's definitely been some other things that I think we're

536
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: blown out of portion or you know, the full story

537
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: wasn't totally conveyed and it was maybe missing a little

538
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: bit of context. But I think at the end of

539
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: the day, you spend this thing forward, you got some

540
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: of the best academic institutions and on the planet. Uh

541
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Number one, you've got some of the best talent in

542
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: the backyard. I mean State of California alone has got

543
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: a ton of tremendous talent football and basketball. You know,

544
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: there's an opportunity for this conference to really thrive, But

545
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is going to come

546
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: on the on the shoulders and the next commissioner and

547
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: executing a television deal that will make sure that the

548
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: revenues you're able to keep pace with some of the

549
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: other Power five conferences, because that gap increases, you just

550
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: don't have the resources to compete and right now, believe

551
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: he's not competing and that gap is only watting me. Yeah, well,

552
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think of about the

553
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: idea that that people say that that the conference has

554
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: to have usc V the Bell Cow, and it the

555
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: Bell Cow in general role, but especially in the South

556
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: for the conference to reach the you know, for it

557
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: to regain too to its glory. Do you think that

558
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: there can be another team to carry the water for

559
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: the conference besides USC? Yeah, you know, I've heard that.

560
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: And look, would it be great for a blue blood

561
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: program like USC to thrive a thousand percent? And that

562
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: would be awesome for the conference being in the number

563
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: two television market in the nation. Uh in Los Angeles,

564
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: who would certainly be huge for the league. I'll say this,

565
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: I don't think it matters who's winning on the West

566
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: Coast as long as there's a conctual team that can

567
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: consistently get it done. Washington a few years ago got

568
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: there when Chris Peterson was there and they lost Alabama

569
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff. Oregon a couple of years

570
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: prior to that, with Marcus Mariot they got to a

571
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: national championship game. Member that was that Jameis Winston matchup

572
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: at the Rose Bowl. They were able to win that one.

573
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean that was an incredible football game to be at. UM.

574
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, in the league has gotten some marquee wins.

575
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Stanford has won a couple of Rose Bowls.

576
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: I've seen us See what Sam Donald, you want a

577
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl against Penn State? Like the league has done well.

578
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: But I think right now Oregon has got the best

579
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: chance under Mario Christo Ball to really search. The recruiting

580
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: has been absolutely stellar. He's got those pieces. Um. You know,

581
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: defensively they've improved and clearly they have some weapons on offense.

582
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: But we all know this, like the lifeblood of every

583
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: single program is recruiting, and right now Mario and his

584
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: staff are recruiting better than everyone else in the conference.

585
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: They got. The gap is closed a little bit because

586
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: USC has come on UM and you know in this

587
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: past signing day and they did a tremendous job under

588
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Clay Hilton. But I don't think the league says we

589
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: can't be successful and and change a national narrative unless

590
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: it's USC. I think it doesn't matter who goes and wins,

591
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: it's how do you consistently keep your name relevant and unfortunately,

592
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: unfortunately the league hasn't always been relevant in years. And

593
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: you know the other problem is, I'd always say this,

594
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: wins in the Pac twelve when they're nonconference wins don't

595
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: seem to mean as much as wins and other conferences

596
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: when they're big, But losses seem to be worth more

597
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: and are magnified more in the Pac twelve than they

598
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: are for other conferences. And you've got to fight that

599
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: narrative with stand up late on the West coast, I

600
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: mean right now and it's ten thirty, uh Pacific time,

601
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: so it's one thirty in the morning, and I just

602
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: watched US St. Louis to Colorado. How many fans on

603
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: the East coast watching that basketball game? Like I would venture,

604
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: probably not many. And when the Heisman Trophy voters are

605
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: sitting there talking about, you know, the best players in

606
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: college football, are they staying up pretty late on the

607
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: East Coast like I would venture, That's probably not the case.

608
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: So you know, there's some there's some geographical challenges at

609
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: this league has had to deal with in its past,

610
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean they can't win. Yeah, my uh

611
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: agree with with all of that, And that's part of

612
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: the reason why I think that the next TV deal

613
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: for the PAC twe of is critical because I say,

614
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: the most important ability and life is availability, and they

615
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: haven't been quite as available as they need to be

616
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: in them in terms of of all the networks. And

617
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: so final question for you, do you think that that

618
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: national narrative that you talked about about fighting against do

619
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: you think that that's built in because of the TV

620
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: network partners like with the SEC at ESPN, Fox and

621
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: the Big Ten and the PACK twelve has had the

622
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: PAC twelve network, but it hasn't had but it's not

623
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: an actual partner with any of those, And that's why

624
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I think that the PAC twelve has to go with

625
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: CBS in terms of trying to get its games on

626
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: when the SEC leaves for ESPN. Yeah, look, CBS would

627
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: be a great spot from a national exposure standpoint. With

628
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: the model is different for the PAC twelve than it

629
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: is the other Power five conferences. You made reference to

630
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: the Big Ten. They obviously have Big ten network, Fox

631
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: has you know, I think it's like Steak in the

632
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: Big ten network. And the SEC network is is controlled

633
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: and owned by UM by ESPN. The PAC twelve is

634
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: owned by the schools, and that was done on purpose

635
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: so that one these rights expire in the league onto

636
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: all of its rights and they didn't have to share

637
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: that pie. Now that affected obviously distribution deals. And not

638
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: to get too much into the weeds on television contracts,

639
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm with you that national exposure is going to be

640
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: critical and to put your games on in windows that

641
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: makes sense. Now, the big new kickoff that that Fox implemented,

642
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I thought that was tremendous and we saw some Pact

643
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: twelve games get placed and the ratings were actually pretty good.

644
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: But that also then means not am kickoffs on the

645
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: West Coast, and not every coach in the Pact twelve

646
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: wants to play non and kickoff games. You know, there's

647
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: only a handful that want to go and do that.

648
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: So once again the geographical challenges are there. But look,

649
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: I love the idea, um, you know, with CBS potentially

650
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: getting in like that would be amazing if that happens

651
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: for for the league, um, but I just don't know

652
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: how realistic it is. I mean, I think the COVID situation.

653
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: You know, you talk to people in television on different

654
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: networks and it's I shouldn't even say it's a TV thing,

655
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: Like we've all experienced some of the challenges that come

656
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen. UM. I do think that the the

657
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: budgets and the belts maybe are a little bit tighter

658
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: for the rights of the Pact Wealth Conference, you know,

659
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: like it's not the SEC like the pactwals and not

660
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: winning national championships and for as much. And look, there's

661
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: a passionate fan base. I've experienced it for the last

662
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: ten years. There's some awesome fans out on the West

663
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: Coast that love their teams and are going to be

664
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: watching no matter what network the games are on. The

665
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: biggest difference between the PACTWAL and the Big Ten and

666
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: the SEC and their fan bases there's just more, uh,

667
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: you know, like if you look at the stadiums, look

668
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 1: at the size of the stadium that they fell. Look

669
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: at the stadiums on the West Coast, like they're they're smaller,

670
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: They're not feeling them like they are um in the

671
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: middle of the country and in the South, like we

672
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: always kind of joke like, you know, the options are

673
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: a little bit different on the West Coast. You want

674
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: to go surfing on a Saturday, Yeah, I mean you

675
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: could do that in southern California, you know, you want

676
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: to go, you know in the Nappa and wine country,

677
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: which is what I love to do. Like I do

678
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: that during the week on my days off. You help

679
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: like college football fans or people out in the Bay

680
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: Area that they're doing that on the weekend. So I

681
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: do think that that the the there are some dynamics

682
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: that do make it a little bit challenging for the league. Uh,

683
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: you guys, he is Mike Yam. Find him on Twitter

684
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 1: at Mike Underscore Yam. He's over at ESPN You Radio

685
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: and the Pact Impact twelve Radio and of course the

686
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: NFL Network as an anchor and host. Mike, congratulations on

687
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: your on your move. I hope everything is going well

688
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: for you, and thanks for coming on the program. Band

689
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: When the college basket ball games are over, get caught

690
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: up on who is still standing and who was sent

691
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: packing with Mike Yam on college basketball over Time on

692
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: ESPN You Radio series x M eight four. Thanks Mike,

693
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: I appreciate you man, really appreciate the invite being on

694
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: the show. And stay healthy. So Ralph, okay, what were

695
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: your takeaways from what Mike Yam said, Well, my number

696
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: one takeaway was how bad the Pack twelve messed up

697
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: by not retaining him as an employee. Um, because he

698
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: is a true convert, a true convert. The name of

699
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: this podcast to Pack twelve apostles like he's the apostle.

700
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Paul was on board and then gone on board. Right,

701
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: he is still all about the Pack twelve. He's still

702
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: all about the West Coast. He didn't come from here,

703
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: he came out here. He said it took him two

704
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: weeks to understand East Coast bias. He's still excited about

705
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: all the coaches and the players in this conference. And

706
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: we were like the level of fortunate that we were

707
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: as PAC twelve fans to have Mike Yam teamed up

708
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: with Yogi Roth, two people who actually love going to

709
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: work every day and do so much to highlight the

710
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: benefits of being a PAC twelve athlete is one of

711
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: the biggest blunders in the history of Larry Scott's just

712
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: garbage tenure of of of blunders. And I get that

713
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: Mike Gym is a super positive guy and he'sn't gonna

714
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: throw anybody under the bus, but I mean, objectively speaking,

715
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: even he's got to know how talented he is, and

716
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: how stupid it was to let him go. UM. But

717
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: the the other thing is I had really enjoyed his

718
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: take on UM on the Pactwell basketball right because we

719
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: we we try to do some of it. We're pretty

720
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: football heavy. UM. But to know that he's still paying

721
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: attention even this year is UH is pretty great. And

722
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: he was watching the Pactwell Championship while you were UM,

723
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: while you were interviewing him, something that you didn't even

724
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: bother to do. Uh. The Oregon State well, actually I

725
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: did have it on at the same time, but Oregon

726
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: State was playing Colorado. Man. I mean, like, how am

727
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: I supposed to get excited about that? It's the conference championship.

728
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: You didn't here, you don't wanna, you don't want to

729
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 1: watch the conference championship? And here Bill Walton mown into

730
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: the microphone for the entire second half. Dude. I saw

731
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: the clip of that. I was like, what is he?

732
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: I felt like that was even excessive for Bill Walton? Oh,

733
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: big time, it was he. He He had me in

734
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: my feelings during that game. I just I was frustrated

735
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: the whole time. So was it? Would you would you

736
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: had rather listen to Bill Walton or eat pineapples. Well

737
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: listen to Bill Walton because one of them I physically

738
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: feel unable to do. But they both bring me much

739
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: disdained And it sucked listening to that interview knowing that

740
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: Mike Yam is no longer getting paychecks from the Back twelve,

741
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: but Bill Walton is um see that bothered me. I

742
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: thought about Mike Mike Yam like I thought he was

743
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: pretty as I think. I thought he walked up to

744
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: the line about Larry Scott because he does know Larry

745
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: Scott very well, and I thought he he said that

746
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: that he said the truth. He was like yo, he

747
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: made mistakes. There were some things he did did well.

748
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I think the amount of those that the scales are

749
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: not balanced, you know what I mean. And some of

750
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: the mistakes were more that some of the mistakes were

751
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: more catastrophic than the winds were positive, if that makes sense.

752
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: That I thought he did good for you know, I

753
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: thought he did really good for the Olympic sports. But

754
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: what everything that he did for the Olympic sports came

755
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: at the cost of football, and and when it should

756
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: actually be the other way around, Like football should be elevated,

757
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: which then helps the the other sports, and then you

758
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: can elevate the other sports after you secure football's position nationally.

759
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: Because if you secure football's position nationally with the money,

760
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: then the PAC twelve networks would have been much more

761
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: valuable and people would have actually wanted to buy it,

762
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: which then would have transferred to money, more money going

763
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: to the schools, which then goes to the Olympic sports

764
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: and all that as well. Right, yep, yeah, I don't know.

765
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I just I thought it was a great interview. I

766
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: think he's fantastic. I miss having him around. Um, but

767
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: it is cool that he's still excited to talk to

768
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to talk about the PAC twelve. I

769
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: think that part of it's pretty great. And I'm listening

770
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: to interviews all over the place with Yogi Rothware he's

771
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: saying the same thing where um he said, you know

772
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: it's just time and getting new blood in there's gonna

773
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: be a really good thing. And you know they're not

774
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: saying the obvious thing, but we know they know. Yeah,

775
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: we we we know they know, we know they know,

776
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: um and um. But now we can put on our

777
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: interview from with Elijah Molden, former you Dub cornerback Slash safety. Uh,

778
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: all around good player. His dad was was a first

779
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: round draft pick in the NFL. He went to Oregon,

780
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: he grew up. Um, he grew up in Oregon as

781
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: in Elijah, and then went to Washington and war Ducks

782
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: colors playing for West Lynne, where one of my best

783
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: friends went to high school. Yeah, and I do ask

784
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: him the question why did he do this? And it

785
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: was funny because Washington fans were all in my mentions

786
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: the other day when I said that I was gonna

787
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: ask him this question. Why would you ask him this question?

788
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: You're an idiot? And I'm like, no, why would I

789
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: not ask him the question? I hope be incompetent if

790
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: I did not ask him. So here's the interview with

791
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: Elijah Moultnan. Elijah, welcome to the show. I appreciate you

792
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: having me on it and and thanks for getting my

793
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: uh my Twitter handle right the three said the e Yeah,

794
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: so um, this is an exciting time for you. Man.

795
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: I I know I remember going through it. What has

796
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: kind of the transition from college to like, hold up,

797
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't play for Washington anymore, I'm a potential NFL

798
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: draft pick. How how's this time going for you? Yeah? Man.

799
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: I mean I spent a lot of time just kind

800
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: of you know, visualizing what it would be like and

801
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: hearing from my dad and my friends and what it

802
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: would be like. But it's something that you don't really understand,

803
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: so you're in it, you know what I mean. So

804
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun. I've been meeting some

805
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: great people already, um and really just kind of like

806
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: understanding that it's it's a business now, you know what

807
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: I mean. The league is a business. It's not like

808
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: football anymore. So it's it's been it's been exciting and

809
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I ready for it. Yeah. And as the you know,

810
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: former Pro Football Focus PAC twelve Player of the of

811
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: the Year, finalist for the William V. Campbell Trophy and

812
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: semifinals for the Running Lot Impact, both focuses on academic

813
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: and on field production. Like, you know, what was your

814
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: experience at Washington, Like, it was so much fun? You know,

815
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: I grew so much, uh as a player and as

816
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: a person to you know, just kind of growing in

817
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: confidence and maturity. UM. Met some phenomenal people there and

818
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: again they you know, I look back on that time

819
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: finally and I wish I could have ended this past

820
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: year on a on a better note. But I'm grateful

821
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: for what I what I've had. Yeah. So all right,

822
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: so you are clearly a good student, being a semifinals

823
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: for the Running Lot Impact Award, and a smart guy.

824
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: So how did you make a bad decision and go

825
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: to Washington instead of following your father's footsteps and going

826
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: to go play for the Oregon Ducks. Yeah, so it's

827
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: pretty shoot, it's pretty simple. Like I went to an

828
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: official visit um to Oregon and they play in Washington

829
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: and I think they beat him like seventy one to

830
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: twelve or something like that. I don't know. I wasn't

831
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: on the team at the time, but at that moment

832
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: I knew I wanted to play for that. Oh that

833
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: was the year that Browning pointed at uh, pointed, Oh lord,

834
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: do you know that that was the first time that

835
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Washington had one in twelve years? Right? Yeah, I understand. Listen,

836
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I used to be I used to be on the

837
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: other side and like get it. So what Like, so,

838
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: my my son is is is coming up in a

839
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: um as A. He's a he's a freshman, he's a

840
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: football player, and he wants to go to Oregon. At

841
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: this point in point in time, but I told them like, no, like,

842
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: you don't have to go there. I want you to

843
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: go wherever it's the best place for you. So how

844
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: did how did your dad take to you going to

845
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: to Washington And was he encouraging you, like, don't worry

846
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: about this legacy thing, just go where you fit best. Yeah,

847
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: I mean you sound like a father who loves his son,

848
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: and and um, I think that's what my dad did

849
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: at the time. You know, I wanted, like your boy,

850
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Oregon. Um my whole life

851
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: growing up, and then I got to a point in

852
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: my life where, um, I kind of wanted uh to

853
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: go my own path and see see where it ended up. So, um,

854
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: I took that leap of faith and it paid off.

855
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: And my my dad from the jump, he actually wanted

856
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: me to go to you dev just because of all

857
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: the opportunities up there with coach Lake and and and

858
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: um you know, from the academic side to it with

859
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 1: business school. So you know, I mean, at the end

860
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: of the day, you know, my my my dad loves

861
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: me and he wanted me to go where I wanted

862
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: to go. So it was a situation that it was

863
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: pretty easy to be honest, you know what I mean. Yeah,

864
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: see see, I I appreciate that because for some people

865
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to get over that and say, hold up,

866
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: my my my kid has his has his own path.

867
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: So how much because your dad was a first round

868
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 1: draft pick, longtime NFL player, how much was he able

869
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: to help you in terms of your development on the

870
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: field or was he kind of more hands off and

871
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, was more involved in the mental aspect and

872
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: all of that. Yeah, So he was actually more hands

873
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: off until I showed interests. So he was never someone

874
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: who who you know, would overwhelmed me with you know,

875
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: coaching points. And he wasn't you know, he wasn't a

876
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: dad yawn at the rapture, y'alling at me in the

877
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: level game. There was more I to show interest on

878
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: my side and then he would, um, you know, provide

879
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: me with answers. So it was you know, I think,

880
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: you know more when once an I'm a dad, that's

881
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: that's the way I want to do it too with

882
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: my kids, just because at the time in my life

883
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: right now, if he was the opposite of that, if

884
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: he was someone who you know, put pressure on me,

885
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: then I probably you know, I would be the first

886
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: name today, so I'm grateful for it. What was your

887
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: experience like at at you because you know obviously did

888
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: um were you on the team that went to the

889
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff or were you the year after? Yeah?

890
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: I was the year after, so we went to the

891
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl and Patrol Championship. Um, yeah, my my second

892
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: year there. So so how did so explain to me

893
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: the culture of the of the Husky fans? Because even

894
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: on I'm an Oregon guy, I respect how passionate that

895
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: Washington fan base is and how much they really root

896
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: for the Huskies. Yeah. I mean I missed him a

897
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: lot because this past year we didn't you know, we

898
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't get to play with any fans um. And for me,

899
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: there's nothing like seventy plus Chearenney on Um. You know

900
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: there there's those super dedicated fans from from anywhere like

901
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: you see on Twitter. You know those uh you know,

902
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: you know those type of fans. And yeah, just like

903
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: the ones who there's other ones who you know, just

904
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: show up and they just love the game and they

905
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: love competition. UM. I for sure one of the you know,

906
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: one of these years down the road, I want to

907
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I want to tail game before you dub game. That's

908
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: one of my fun dude. Yeah, that's honestly, that's one

909
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: of the most fun things is when you get a

910
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: chance to come back and experience it from outside the stadium,

911
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: Like you get a chance to go and eat. Even

912
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: even though you miss kind of being in it, like,

913
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: you still get a chance to experience it. It's a

914
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: totally different and a fun experience. What what was what

915
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: was your relationship and experience with Coach Peterson who's now

916
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: who now step stepped down? Because Coach Peterson was our

917
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver coach at Oregon when I was there, so

918
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: and I remember everybody loved coch Coach Pete. I knew

919
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: he was a coach up and coming, but to see

920
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: all of his success was was really good. Yeah. And

921
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: he was there and my dad's last year at Oregon too,

922
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: so that was kind of our connection to Coach Pete. Um.

923
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: I love Coach Pete. Man, he's such a great leader. Um.

924
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: I think he's I think his charismas like everyone everyone's

925
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: drawn to him just because he's passionate about what he

926
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: says and he believes he believes in what he says. Um,

927
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, and he's just he's just authentic, you know

928
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like he he tells the truth. And uh,

929
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: it's looking back at my college career too, I was

930
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: lucky to have a coach like him for sure. What

931
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: was the transition like because it seemed to to out

932
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: the outside world that coach Pete that he you know

933
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: that he retired pretty abruptly and then it was handed

934
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: over to Jimmy Lake as the new head coach. What

935
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: what was that transition like? Yeah, I mean it was

936
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: in the middle of the pandemic, you know what I mean. Um,

937
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,479
Speaker 1: so it you know, in a sense, it wasn't gonna

938
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: be smooth just just off of that, but Coach Lake

939
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: did U. I can't you know, I can't think of

940
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: a better way he could have came in, like I said,

941
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: during in the middle of a pandemic and um, you know,

942
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: get a team to buy into what he's what he's saying. Um,

943
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a different, different coaching style the coach

944
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: Pete a coach Lake is He's very competitively, he's very fiery,

945
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: and he demands a lot out of his his players.

946
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: And I was used to it just because he was

947
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: my DV coach. But it was fun to see him

948
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 1: expand his role for the whole team. So I'm excited

949
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: to see what they'll be like, you know, a couple

950
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: of years, a couple of years from now, when they're um,

951
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, used to Coach lakes coaching style. What the what?

952
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: Washington has had a pretty you know, pretty successful history

953
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: of dbs in the NFL. You have Ba Baker, who's

954
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: think the highest paid safety right now. Has been really

955
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: good Byron Murphy, you know, um Mark Marcus Peters obviously,

956
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: even though he left under different terms. But you guys

957
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: had a bunch Ezekiel Turner, you guys had success. Why

958
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: do you think that is? I think it's more just

959
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: the expectations in that DV room. As soon as one

960
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: group comes in and it's sets the bar, and the

961
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: bar stays there, and you know, in fact, the bars

962
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: raised just every year, you know, And I think, you know,

963
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: it's best credit to coach Lake. He he had high

964
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: sputations for for us, and he demanded excellence, and we

965
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: stepped up to the play every year. So you know,

966
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: I think at this point, you when I left that

967
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: DV ram, I wanted to you know, I wanted to

968
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: leave and I wanted to raise the bar for the

969
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: younger guys after me. So, what what do you think

970
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: that the so the Oregon Washington rivalry. I think it's

971
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated in in all the college football.

972
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that people understand how like it's it's mean,

973
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: but it's also there. There's a respect attitude towards towards

974
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: it too. And I know how people from Oregon feel

975
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: about it because I think it was generated and the

976
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: fact that Washington was so much better than Oregon for

977
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: for so long and then Oregon got good and then

978
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: that's what brooded even more. What what's it like on

979
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: the Washington side, Like, like, don't give me the PC answer,

980
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: because I know that you're coming there, that you're coming out,

981
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: you can tell the truth to us, Like what does Washington?

982
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: How does Washington view Oregon and view the rivalry? Yeah? Shoot,

983
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean that was the game I beg the reason

984
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: why or a big part of you know, when I

985
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: decided to come back for my senior year. Um, I

986
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 1: was most looking forward to that game just because I

987
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: wanted to end I think you know, I played in

988
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: three years and they beat me twice. They beat us

989
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 1: twice and I wanted to end it two and two

990
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: and when we when that game got canceled, it was

991
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: just heartbreaking. Um. I think I really do think that,

992
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, a ribbaltry game like like you know, like

993
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: like with Oregon and with with Washington State. I think

994
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: it's generated with the fans and then from there it's

995
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: escalated on the field. So it's you know, it's one

996
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: of those things where you know that that week does

997
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: mean more. I don't care what you say, so and

998
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: and like you said to like, there's some respect, there's

999
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: some respect between the two of us in a very

1000
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: competitive way. I don't know if at that time I

1001
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: would have said that, you know, I don't know if

1002
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: I would have said that I respect them and in

1003
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: their game completely. Um, you know, they're Oregan, They're always

1004
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: a contender for the Paxels Championship. And we felt like

1005
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: we were we were also in that position. So in

1006
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: that situation, it was a good game. Yeah. See, I

1007
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: I thought that this year sucks so bad with the

1008
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: game being being canceled because I actually trolled softly a

1009
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh and we and we got me big

1010
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: and we got in a big argument because I because

1011
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: I said, oh, will we'll see if Washington is willing

1012
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: to play short players or whatever. But but just really

1013
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: kind of trolling the situation. But I was definitely as

1014
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: devastated as a fan can be because I know that

1015
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: you guys are actually in it, and that was terrible.

1016
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: But I can't can you talk about what it meant

1017
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: for that game to be canceled and then knowing that

1018
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: you guys would then be packed twelve champions, well pack

1019
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: twelve North champions to go then down and see the

1020
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: then playing the championship game, but then not getting to

1021
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: play in the championship and say in Oregon, then go

1022
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: win it. Yeah, it was I mean, it was just

1023
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: a probably like a worst case situation, you know what

1024
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Like we wanted we wanted to play them

1025
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: so bad and then um, a couple of people got

1026
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: popped with with COVID, and then um, we had to

1027
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: cancel the game. And then it was just all the speculation,

1028
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: is that why we cancel all that stuff? And you know,

1029
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: we're competitors, so like we knew, you know, we knew

1030
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: we wanted to play him and we wanted to, you know,

1031
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: to put it on him and have a great game.

1032
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: Against them, but that wasn't a situation. And then at

1033
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: that point it was like, you know, if we would

1034
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: have played in a Patrol championship, would have would uh

1035
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: left the bad taste in my mouth a little bit

1036
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: because in a sense we didn't earn it, you know

1037
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: what I mean. So credit credit to Oregon for going

1038
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: out there and winning it, but we then we would

1039
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: have had their number if we played them. Okay, that's it.

1040
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: That's one that we that that we won't know. But

1041
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: but in general though, right so i'my even though, like

1042
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm an Oregon guy and I quote unquote

1043
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: I hate the Huskies, right, but I'm a back to

1044
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm a back to pack guy because I hate the

1045
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: disrespect to the to the conference. So when Washington suits

1046
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: up against Michigan, uh and week in week one or

1047
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: week two this upcoming season, I will want Washington to

1048
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: win that game. Like, are you a back to pack

1049
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: guy or you like I hope Ohio State blows the

1050
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: doors off off of Oregon when they play him. No,

1051
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a back to pack guy for sure. I

1052
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: want work to win. Like, listen, I got some I

1053
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: got some friends on Oregon, some of my best friends

1054
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: are playing on that team, so you know, um and

1055
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: and to be and to be honest with you, the

1056
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: pack needs some some big wins. We haven't had any

1057
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: in a minute, so I'll for sure be rooting for

1058
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: him and we I think we need to. I think

1059
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: we need to take the next step, you know, I

1060
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: think we need to, you know, in that conversation of

1061
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: elite conferences, I don't think we're there yet. Yeah, And

1062
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, And I think some fans

1063
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: have a hard time saying, all right, look, let me

1064
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: put my fan allegiance aside. Because if you're Washington, you

1065
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: should want or Oregon, you should want Washington to beat

1066
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: Michigan and then Oregon to beat Ohio State and then

1067
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: you go beat the other team like that looks good

1068
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, yeah, no going, Yeah, I was just

1069
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: say one agree with you, you know, I don't. I

1070
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: think O House State and they they already have too

1071
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: many wins. So at that point, more wins the better

1072
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: for us. If if so, you're you're coming up on

1073
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: the NFL draft and you have to go through the

1074
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: combine and it's not like it like it was. I

1075
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: I know that you never went went through it. But

1076
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, you normally fly to Indianapolis and go through

1077
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: all these tests and all of that. So what is

1078
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: what is your situation what they're having you do in

1079
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: terms of workouts and all of that, being that coaches

1080
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: and stuff can't attend in the same way that they

1081
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: would normally do it. Yes, we have a Combine welcome

1082
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: meeting tonight, so I'll be getting some more information at

1083
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: this point. I think the deal is that you know,

1084
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: we all Pro Day and that's really the time where scouts,

1085
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: gyms and coaches can see you know, can see his work. Um.

1086
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: I know there's only three people from each team invited. Uh.

1087
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: And then at that point, I think the NFL is

1088
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna we'll have a couple of players. I think it's

1089
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty player. I don't know how many

1090
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: players will fly them down in Indianapolis for like a

1091
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: medical evil. But there's you know, there's nothing, there's no

1092
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: type of uh combine testing in person. Yeah, Okay, final

1093
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: final question for you, uh, Elijah, because if when you

1094
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: were younger, did you have a particular team that you

1095
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: rooted for or is there anybody that you're saying, all right, look,

1096
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: I want to go to this team if if possible. Yeah,

1097
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: I actually I've never had a team like that. Um.

1098
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: I've got players growing up who have loved watching, but

1099
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: I've know, for whatever reason, I never really had an

1100
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: NFL team like that. Okay, well listen, Elijah, listen. Thank

1101
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 1: you for coming on the Nightcap tonight. I appreciate your time. Do.

1102
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: I wish you nothing but the best and much and

1103
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: much success, not so much to your to your to

1104
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: your watching Huskies except for in nine non conference games.

1105
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: But uh but yeah, hopefully that you get drafted. You know,

1106
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 1: it wouldn't wouldn't it be dope to be a first

1107
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: round draft pick, just like just like your dad, or

1108
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: or a high draft pick and all that. So I

1109
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: wish all you you all the success that's possible. Thank

1110
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: you very much. That means all right, Ralph, what did

1111
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: you think about the interview with Elijah? What were your takeaways?

1112
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: I like what he had to say about University of

1113
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: Washington fans um and and I kind of like I

1114
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: felt for him a little bit when he said that,

1115
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, he goes out there a senior year hoping

1116
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: to go to and two against Oregon. They canceled that

1117
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: game and all he wants to be is be around

1118
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: those Washington fans, because I do think they have an

1119
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: incredibly passionate fan base, probably one of the best in

1120
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: the entire Pack twelve UM certainly top three, right and

1121
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: they um, they're very, very passionate, and I would I

1122
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: would put them against anybody's fan base in any conference,

1123
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: UM as far as how much they just really really

1124
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: loved the support the sport and support the program. But

1125
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: to not have the experience in front of those fans,

1126
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: who is pretty obvious that he loves UM his senior year,

1127
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure how many other Pack twelve

1128
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: football players would actually give that type of an interview

1129
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: where they spent time talking about being bummed that they

1130
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: didn't get to play in front of their fans, because

1131
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: not every Pack twelve fan base is as passionate as

1132
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: the as the Huskies bunch ard. So I really enjoyed

1133
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: that part of the interview. Yeah, I thought it was

1134
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: interesting how he talked about his experience with getting UH

1135
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: with getting their game against Oregon canceled, and how important

1136
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: it was for him to do that, well, how important

1137
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: it was for him to play in that game, and

1138
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: then ultimately to see Oregon go win the championship that

1139
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: he he was like, we didn't, we didn't earn it,

1140
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: like we didn't have to play a way way games

1141
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I thought it was pretty cool of

1142
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: him to admit that. But the other part was is

1143
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: that we've had discussions about back the Pack, about whether

1144
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: you should back the Pack twelve even when your rival

1145
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: is playing against some somebody else. And I'm a person

1146
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: who subscribes to that. I remember when we did that

1147
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: episode last year, people are like, oh, no, how could

1148
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: I could never do that. Joe Heally, What up, Joe Heley?

1149
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: That's that That's that Joe Healey stance. Yeah, And I'm like,

1150
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: that's that's the optimal move. Like the the conference, Like

1151
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: if you're a Pack tw a fan, the conference needs

1152
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: more than anything, some big wins exposure. So if I'm

1153
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: an Oregon fan, I want Washington to win every single

1154
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: game until we play them. I want every Pack twelve

1155
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,479
Speaker 1: team to win all of their nonconference games and then

1156
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: let in conference whatever happens, because ultimately you need a

1157
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: dominant team or two like that way you can finish

1158
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: up one one person whoever it is finished twelve and

1159
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: after the Pack twelve championship every single year, and you'll

1160
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: get a team into the bowl, into the College Football

1161
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: Playoff every single year until they change the model. And

1162
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 1: I think that everybody should be behind that. I agree. Um,

1163
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand why anybody would not, But I'm always

1164
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: interested in hearing those arguments from people. Feel free to

1165
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: uh to throw them out to us as to why

1166
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: must be like Reese's Peanut butter cup people, you mean

1167
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: like normal humans? Is that what you're talking about? No, No,

1168
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying like people who don't back the pack. I

1169
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: bet you there's a bit correlation between them and liking

1170
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: Reese's Peanut butter cups or peanut butter and chocolate together.

1171
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: To begin with, I can't go down this road with you.

1172
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 1: It's like the It's one of the world's greatest discoveries

1173
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: and you're you don't you don't like it. I don't know.

1174
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: I feel like you'd be like, hey, you know what

1175
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: else sucks? Oxygen? Like you're on the verge of taking

1176
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 1: that step by saying that peanut butter and chocolate don't

1177
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: go together, And I'm just not gonna go down. I

1178
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: had some Reese's brand pudding this week it's chocolate on top,

1179
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: peanut butter on the bottom. We think of that, I

1180
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: think that I think that it sounds like one of

1181
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: the worst, Like I can't figure out why you would

1182
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: do that to your taste buds. Okay, that sounds like

1183
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: that sounds like hospital food. Okay, world's greatest hospital. Let's go.

1184
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: But but I I do want to also bring up

1185
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: this part of the interview because I thought it was interesting.

1186
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 1: You asked him why University Washington keeps sending these defensive

1187
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: backs into the NFL and why and why they've been successful,

1188
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: and he kind of gave you with Mike Tomlin, did

1189
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: you catch that that the standard is the standard? Basically?

1190
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 1: Can that really be it? It's like, oh, that's just

1191
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: the culture, so we have to we don't have a choice.

1192
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 1: They set the standard, therefore we succeed. Uh No. I

1193
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: I think that it's a combination of talented players, which

1194
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,919
Speaker 1: which number one, you you have to have number two.

1195
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,959
Speaker 1: I think they've been coached up really well, and like three,

1196
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 1: like they're just super competitive. So like they they they've

1197
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: had success as a defense. And when you have success

1198
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: as a defense over the last few years, I don't

1199
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,479
Speaker 1: think they've given up thirty five points in years, right,

1200
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 1: and you don't give up a ton of big plays.

1201
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 1: They've been well coached and talented that that that's what

1202
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,759
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think they've recruited really well

1203
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: and they have developed those recruits really well on top

1204
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: of that, So I would I would say that that's

1205
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 1: a plus for them. You don't think you can just

1206
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: develop that type of culture and then take players that

1207
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:39,719
Speaker 1: would have been mediocre otherwise. And no, dude, that talent wins.

1208
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a talent based business. If a

1209
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: guy it doesn't have the hips to do it, you

1210
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: can't make them have the hips. Just because he's around

1211
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: people would with great hips, his hips will get better.

1212
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: But they're not NFL hips still they I know, I know,

1213
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: I try to turn everything into Arizona centric stuff and

1214
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: so I didn't. I didn't tell you to ask him this,

1215
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: But I am really arious to see because they have

1216
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: two absolutely physical, like phenomen freaks in the deventive backfield,

1217
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: and Jacoby Covington and Domini Campton, two guys that are

1218
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: like over six ft two and run a sub four five,

1219
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm just wondering at that next iteration of

1220
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: the Washington defense is getting ready to show up this

1221
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: year or if we're gonna have a little bit of

1222
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: a lull with with Molden on his way out. Yeah,

1223
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: we will see about that. Now it is on to basketball.

1224
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: We're playing back. We're playing back. Okay, did you lose

1225
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: that last note? Yeah? So the n C Double A

1226
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: Tournament is upon us. But but before we even get

1227
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: to that, there's a little bit of housekeeping. Utah fired

1228
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: their head coach, Larry Christoeak after how many years have

1229
01:09:55,520 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: you been there? Yeah? After ten years? He he only

1230
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: made the n C Double A Tournament three times. No,

1231
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: no deep runs. I mean it's hard to not find

1232
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: I mean like it's hard to not fire a coach

1233
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: after that, right, I suppose he did have what six

1234
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: twenty win seasons in a row, went to the n

1235
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: C Double A Tournament in UM, but is playing five

1236
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: hundred basketball over the last two years. I think one

1237
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: of the issues is a little bit of a lull

1238
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 1: in recruiting. They were taking guys that I wasn't really

1239
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: sure were meant for for for that level. UM, and

1240
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: they have kind of a tween er. Uh six six

1241
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: forward has been their best player the last couple of years.

1242
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: Timmy Allen, you want to guess what state he's from,

1243
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: George Arizona. Yeah, there you go. So, but he's he's

1244
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: been their best player. He's a leading scorer this year

1245
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: with a little over seventeen games. I thought their issue

1246
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: this year is they just didn't have a point guard.

1247
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: They really didn't have anybody in that role that was

1248
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: that was doing anything for them. I think, Um, their

1249
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: assist leader was averaging less than three a game. So

1250
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 1: do you think he Are you okay with him being fired? Uh? Yeah,

1251
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: I think so. I think they definitely need to level

1252
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: up as a program. They were sort of stagnating. Um.

1253
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: Part of me is bummed for him because he had

1254
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 1: his son on the team as a as a freshman.

1255
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:35,879
Speaker 1: But at least he got to coach him that one year. Um. However, however,

1256
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: the entire team really only had one senior. I think

1257
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:44,560
Speaker 1: he was like a Juco transfer named Alfonso Plumber. Um,

1258
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: he's from Puerto Rico. He's averaging fourteen a game. Other

1259
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: than that, if they can keep everybody together, they're bringing

1260
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: everyone back. Everyone this team has two, three, four or five, six, seven,

1261
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: sophomore US and probably four of them were actually getting minutes. Okay,

1262
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: So are you okay with him being fired? Yeah? Absolutely.

1263
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is this team is super young, and

1264
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: if they can keep it together, then whoever comes in

1265
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: and steps in is going to inherit. Four sophomores and

1266
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: two freshmen that actually played meaningful minutes this year Yea

1267
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: and Timmy Allen potentially could come back. All right. Um.

1268
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: The other piece of housekeeping that we had is, uh,

1269
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: you brought to my attention that Jalen House is leaving

1270
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: Arizona State and you were surprised by that, and I

1271
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: think it's and I think that it's a signal that

1272
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Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley is probably going to be out as head

1273
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: coach or basketball team. Okay, Well, I mean, so you're

1274
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: your guy, Aaron Torres. He said that Bobby Hurley wants out,

1275
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to figure out if he's speculating there

1276
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: has any insight in for Nation, because what he cited

1277
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: was the whole blow up with Ray Anderson where the

1278
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: emails got made public about a booster hitting on his

1279
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: wife and then Ray Anderson letting that booster fly on

1280
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: his plane afterward or whatever. UM. That was a couple

1281
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: of years ago, and then they seemed to have made

1282
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: nice in the media at least UM. But a s

1283
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 1: U basketball has accomplished some really good things. They've definitely

1284
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: leveled up from Herb Sendeck to Bobby Hurley as far

1285
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: as their ability to recruit, and they've been able to

1286
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: win some really big games. But anytime there's any type

1287
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: of expectation on this team, they absolutely crumble. They just

1288
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: shrivel up and die in the face of expectation. Bobby

1289
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: Hurley also has shown no ability to recruit big men

1290
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 1: at a high level, at least not at the level

1291
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: that he's recruiting guards and and forwards. And he even

1292
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: lost Anthony Coleman to the University of Colorado, the former

1293
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: Adidas rep who they went back and rehired away from

1294
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: Colorado uh TO to try to get some traction there

1295
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: and that didn't work out. And then his main asistant

1296
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: for Shawn Burno, just took a job UM at Northern

1297
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: Illinois as a head coach. So Bobby Hurley is kind

1298
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: of out here on his own, and now would be

1299
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 1: a good time if he was looking to take one

1300
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: of these openings that that are available anywhere else in

1301
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: the country and maybe get a fresh start at the

1302
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: Jalen House things stings because Eddie House is probably the

1303
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: best player in program history as far as a four

1304
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: year guy. The argument could be there for James Harden,

1305
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: but anybody who follows a s U basketball knows it's

1306
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: Eddie House and his son. About halfway through his sophomore season,

1307
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: they were finally given him minutes and he I mean

1308
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: he has he has something like he's he's averaging something

1309
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: like two and a half three steals a game. He's

1310
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: as good at defense as his dad was at offense.

1311
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 1: And so for you to be the son of an

1312
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: a s U legend and finish your sophomore season getting

1313
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: over twenty minutes a game and still fail at the

1314
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: end of the year, um, the question remains, what the

1315
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 1: heck is going on? And I think it's one of

1316
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: two things. One, he should have been getting over twenty

1317
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: minutes a game far before any of this. They're so

1318
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: uper crowded in the back court and Bobby Hurley is

1319
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: going to usually try to go with offense over defense,

1320
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 1: so that's gonna leave him as the odd man out.

1321
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: The second thing is he was part of a high

1322
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: school team in Arizona that won four consecutive state championships,

1323
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: and he was paired in the back court with a

1324
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: guard named Javon black Shirt. Javon black Shirt, who was

1325
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 1: one of his best friends. They won four state championships together,

1326
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: is playing in his first n C Double A tournament

1327
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: game with Grand Canyon University this week. And the popular

1328
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: thinking is Jalen House is going to get the band

1329
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: back together, go to Grand Canadyon University and try to

1330
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,639
Speaker 1: accomplish big things alongside the guy you won four state titles. Yeah,

1331
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: because they just went to the tournament this year, and

1332
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 1: if they get more talent than you're like, all right,

1333
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: there'll be a shoe win to make it into the tournament,

1334
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: right and that and that could be That could be

1335
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 1: really big because Javon black Shirt is kind of a

1336
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 1: Chris Paul type point guard the average twelve points and

1337
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: five assistance and sophomore. If they could play two years

1338
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 1: together in that backcourt, they might do some special stuff,

1339
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,879
Speaker 1: all right. Either either way, we think that Bobby Hurley's

1340
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: out right. I think it would be a good time

1341
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: for him to find another opportunity. Yeah, I totally agree, Um,

1342
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: And now it is time for us our n C

1343
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: double A tournament bracket and predictions. All right, Um, Tom,

1344
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: time to pull him out. Ralph. Okay, so this will

1345
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: be interesting to see who you have winned, Ralph, because

1346
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: according to a patch of tweet by Dave Patch, who

1347
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: is uh subjected to Bill bill Walton's antics more often

1348
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: than any man should be, he said, Bill Walton has

1349
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: five Pack twelve teams in the final four, even though

1350
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: two of them would technically have to play against each

1351
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 1: other on on the way there, he he did, Uh,

1352
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: I think he's just wrapped in the conference and it

1353
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: was funny and I appreciate it. I'm not sure the

1354
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 1: Pac twelve is gonna have a very easy time in

1355
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: this um. In this setup, though, it seems like it

1356
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: seems like almost all the Pack twelve teams have a

1357
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: pretty tough road, one of them being on the five

1358
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 1: end of a tough twelve five matchup and the other

1359
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: one being on the twelve end of a twelve five matchup. Um,

1360
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 1: I don't know who. Let's start there, who do you know? No,

1361
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: we can't start at the five twelve. We got to

1362
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: start the playing game, all right. I started the playing game,

1363
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: because I think we have to write that that game

1364
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: is first. It doesn't. It wasn't a s U playing game.

1365
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: They got knocked out of playing in game a couple

1366
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: of years ago or two years in a row, as

1367
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: you got to play in games something like that. Yeah. So,

1368
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,919
Speaker 1: first thing is, I thought U s l A deserved

1369
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 1: to be in the playoff game in the playing game.

1370
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: They did not. Um, they didn't finish the regular season.

1371
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: Well what what they lose like four straight games? I

1372
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: thought they were. I thought they were fortunate to make

1373
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: it into the tournament, just on on any level to

1374
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: make it at all. Yeah, after the like it's it's

1375
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 1: tough to get in when you lose four straight games. Yeah,

1376
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: but I felt like they were they were pretty good

1377
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: all year, like and they were top twenty five most

1378
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: of the year, were they not? Yeah, but they were

1379
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: last four in like so so they barely made it in. Um, so,

1380
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: how do you like them versus Michigan State? Michigan State

1381
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: brought to you by Rocket Mortgage? Yeah? Oh no, IM sorry,

1382
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 1: M M s U M s U Spartans brought to

1383
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: you by Rocket Mortgage. Um, I like it and I'm

1384
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,719
Speaker 1: hoping I'm hoping beyond hope that they get the win,

1385
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: because that will mean a U c l A B

1386
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: y U match up. And uh, if you are part

1387
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: of Pack twelve Twitter, you know that one of the

1388
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: biggest U c l A fans on Twitter, Equity Brewing,

1389
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 1: spends all day every day trolling B y U for

1390
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: no apparent reason. Um as they are outside the Pack

1391
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: twelve altogether, and I think that that would make for

1392
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 1: a really fun few days for him and also for

1393
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: the B y U fan base. So, um yeah, I'm

1394
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with U c l A in this one. Yeah,

1395
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with U c l A in in the

1396
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 1: game two. I think that they will ultimately win it.

1397
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: I think that they have a legitimate shot, well a

1398
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,600
Speaker 1: legitimate shot to win this game. I don't think that

1399
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: Michigan State is special. But then as soon as they

1400
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: as soon as they win, they go into a game

1401
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: with B y U, which I think is winnable as well.

1402
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: So I actually actually got U c l A. It's

1403
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: crazy that they have to win two games to get

1404
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: into the round of thirty thirty two, but then they

1405
01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 1: would probably get Texas I I I can see them

1406
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: getting to the sweet sixteen, but you know, winning three

1407
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: games in a row to get to the tweets Sweet sixteen.

1408
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 1: Ordinarily you would only have to win three games in

1409
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: a row to get to the what the the Elite eight?

1410
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know the way this team has lost

1411
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: four games in a row. I just don't see them

1412
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: putting three quality games together in a row. I think

1413
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: they beat Michigan State and lose to by you. All right,

1414
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: um okay, now we can move on to your five

1415
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: twelve matchups. I got so you got Colorado playing Georgetown

1416
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: and Tennessee playing Oregon State. I think we split those.

1417
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: I think Georgetown beats Colorado and then Oregon State beats Tennessee.

1418
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: Why don't you what's the reason that you don't? You

1419
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: don't respect Colorado and McKinley. Right, they just made it

1420
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 1: all the way to the packed change. They did have

1421
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,480
Speaker 1: a solid year. I don't know what it is about Colorado.

1422
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling him and you and you gauge that

1423
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: energy very precisely. I know what it is. Oh lord,

1424
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: it's is it something about Is it something about hYP

1425
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: McKinley rights only six ft tall? What does that have

1426
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:24,799
Speaker 1: to do with it? He's not tell me he's not listed.

1427
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: He's listed at six ft tall and he's a basketball player,

1428
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: So do you really think he's six ft tall? He

1429
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: looks six ftsh on New York court. So you don't

1430
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 1: have a problem with McKinley red type No. McKinley right,

1431
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: the fourth No. I I just don't think that. I

1432
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: just don't see this team as special. Like he's the

1433
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: one guy that can go get a bucket when they

1434
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: when they need it, you know what I mean, Like

1435
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: if it comes down to a one possession game, I

1436
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: like McKinley right versus pretty much anybody else in in

1437
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: in the conference where you're where you're like need one

1438
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: bucket and you're not gonna get it get any help,

1439
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: and we need a quality shot to get off. I

1440
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:11,719
Speaker 1: think that he's the I think that he's probably the guy.

1441
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 1: But I just don't believe in the rest of Colorado's

1442
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: roster in terms of like they don't feel special, they

1443
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: feel good, they don't feel special. Okay, well I disagree.

1444
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 1: I think Georgetown is a bad basketball team that got

1445
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 1: hot in the Big East Tournament. Um, I think that

1446
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,639
Speaker 1: if if this is a hot take, but I think

1447
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: if Georgetown had not had four games canceled the middle

1448
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: of January. I don't know if they make the tournament

1449
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: at all. Well, they why they they won the Big

1450
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: East because I don't think they would have been in

1451
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: a position that they were in within the Big East

1452
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Tournament if they had another four losses on their schedule. Well,

1453
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, if it was a fifth, we'd all be drunk.

1454
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: If if they if if an ends were pots and pans,

1455
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: the whole world will be a kitchen. Ralph. It's two

1456
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: things that I have learned in my life as a

1457
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: basketball fan, and it's that the people who take the

1458
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,559
Speaker 1: Big East and the a CC Tournament to seriously get

1459
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: their bracket busted immediately every single year. Well, I'm not

1460
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: picking Georgetown to win six games. I'm picking them to

1461
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,200
Speaker 1: win one. I'm picking them to win one and then lose.

1462
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: I don't care whether they play North Carolina Greensboro or

1463
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: Florida State next. They are going to lose that game.

1464
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: So you have College Colorado winning against Georgetown, and then

1465
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: what do you have them doing. I think that you're

1466
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna see Colorado move on. Um, I think they're gonna

1467
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 1: get Florida State. And uh, I'm feeling good about it.

1468
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,519
Speaker 1: I think I think we get I think we get

1469
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: a Colorado Sweet sixteen run. I think they lose to

1470
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: Michigan because because I think that the Pack twelve is

1471
01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: completely underrated this this year, I definitely do and then

1472
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: the other five twelve matt matchup. I like Oregon State

1473
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: over Tennessee. I think that I think the Oregon State

1474
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: proved that they're scrappy. I think that they have the

1475
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: underdog mentality that they're not going to think that they're,

1476
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, hot ship. After they won to Pack twelve championship.

1477
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: I think that they're still gonna thinks them them against

1478
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 1: the world. So I like that. I don't think the

1479
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: Oregon State is up there talent wise with Tennessee, but

1480
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 1: Tennessee's consistency week to week game the game has not

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Speaker 1: been great all year long, and so I look at

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01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: this game and I think I might change my mind

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01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 1: on this one. I think we might actually we might

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Speaker 1: actually get an Oregon State upset just because of better

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01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: coaching and more consistency. Because Rick Barnes teams fall apart

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01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: in the tournament. They sure do, but it's almost like

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Speaker 1: every time they played somebody even halfway decent because they

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01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: just got beat pretty good by Kentucky, who didn't even

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01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: make the tournament. L's using the tournament and they they

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01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: lost to them recently as well. Um and they also

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01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: lost at Auburn. And this is all within the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I'm not saying I'm not saying the

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Speaker 1: Oregon State's gonna win because they have more talent, because

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Speaker 1: they don't. And I'm not saying the organ State's gonna

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01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 1: win because they want the back to all the tournament.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that has anything to do it. I

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: think that that I think it's more of an issue

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Speaker 1: with Tennessee and Rick Barnes. So I'll give this one

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Speaker 1: Oregon State. Okay, Now what do you see from the

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01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: Trojans of USC? How far do you think they can go?

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01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I want to know from you, like because

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01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,640
Speaker 1: you were talking to my gam and you seem to

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01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 1: be pretty high on them, But I don't know if

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01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: big men translate. I am high as far as their potential, Like,

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01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: they are one of the biggest teams in the tournament.

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01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: They have a top five draft pick in Evan Moble Mobile.

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01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: This is a talented football I'm football team, a talented

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01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 1: um at a at a football school. Do you think

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01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: they do you think if if Kansas beat Eastern Washington,

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01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: do you think they get past Kansas. I think they

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01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: can beat Kansas because Kansas has proven they can get

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01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: get beat. They got run out the gym by Gonzaga

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01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 1: and they've they've taken some losses, so I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: Kansas is not unbeatable. I actually have USC beating the

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:32,719
Speaker 1: winner of Wichita State and Drake, and then I'm actually

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01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 1: gonna predict him to beat UH, to beat Kansas, and

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01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: then because I think the Pac twelve is gonna just

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01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: surprise people bigly UM. And then I like Oregon to

1519
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: beat VCU. I think they have a good shot against

1520
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: Iowa if they can, if they cannot get killed by Garza,

1521
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: then I think they will win the game. And you'll

1522
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 1: have USC, Oregon and the Sweet six team, which of

1523
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 1: course Oregon will win like they did again UH. And

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01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 1: then you will have Oregon in the Elite eight, and

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01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: I think that that's where it stops versus Gonzaga. I'm

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01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 1: with you, actually, I'm actually with you on this one.

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01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 1: I have Oregon beating Kansas and losing to Gonzaga. I

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: know that people say this every year, but I'm feeling it.

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01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: I think this is the Zags year to go all

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01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, I I have them winning the World

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01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:32,679
Speaker 1: Series Championships, no joy the winning would you Championship? If

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01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve expanded to have a couple of schools

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01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: that only played basketball not football, would you take Gonzaga? Absolutely? Hey,

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01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: they will they add value. I mean I don't want

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01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: like l m U. I don't think there's any other

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01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: West Coast Conference team that I would. Would you take St.

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01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: Mary's their rival, or you see Santa Barbara just to

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01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 1: make trips to I will probably take you see Santa

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01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: Barbara before because I believe that if you put them

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01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve that they could recruit. So, uh St. St.

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01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: Mary's not so much. But you see Santa Barbara. It's

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01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: a u C school, so people, so kids want to

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01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: go there. They're like living in Santa Santa Barbara. Even

1544
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: though it's white land, you they will still like being there.

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01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 1: So I think that they could be competitive, But I

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01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: would absolutely take Gonzaga hands down. So we're all just

1547
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 1: to be clear, we're being super big pack towel homers, right,

1548
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: now because I have all five pack twelve schools winning

1549
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: a game all five? Is that realistic though? That's just

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01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:49,960
Speaker 1: what I have. I have Colorado, I have, I only

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01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: have four of them winning Africans. Yeah, Patrick Ewing, you

1552
01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: know why Patrick King is really tall. It has nothing

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01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 1: to do with that, dude, he was a nick. It's

1554
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with that. It's a it's a

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01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 1: high thing, man, it's a bias. Okay, like college. So

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01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: oh so it's McKinley, right versus Patrick Ewing. So i'm

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: your mind. I think that's exactly what it is. Dude.

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01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: Do you know that my that my um, that my wife,

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01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that my that my mom has told

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01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: that She told my sisters because one of one of

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01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: my sisters are short. She's only like five to five

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01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: to five three, super short, ak a normal height for

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01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,719
Speaker 1: a woman. So she goes, uh, listen, you cannot marry

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01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: a short man like you cannot marry a man under

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01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: six too, and that has been ingrained. These these are

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01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 1: the rules. Okay, Okay, So I mean is that that's that?

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Speaker 1: Is that the same for throughout your life? Yes? Yeah,

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01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: exclude everything under five? F oh absolutely absolutely. Have you

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01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: have you seen my kids. I'll just I'll just say

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01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: that for anybody out there listening to this who is

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01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: average heighter below, I see you because I can't see

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01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: over much because I am also your height. Yeah. So

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01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, I have a fifty year old who's six

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Speaker 1: to a nine year old who's five feet tall, a

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01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: ten year old who's almost five feet tall. Yeah, and

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01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: and and a baby who is what would you would

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01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: you consider the baby who's not too yet to be tall? Well,

1578
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:54,759
Speaker 1: he got tall hair their ads like, and an extra

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01:30:54,840 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 1: fiftent of height. All right, Well, thank you guys us

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01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: for listening to the Back twelve Apostles podcast. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time, We appreciate your energy. Peace out, Catch you

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Speaker 1: guys next episode