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Speaker 2: joining me. You know, I'm from First Things First. And

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Speaker 2: if our camera angle looks a little weird this week,

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Speaker 2: it's a long story, but you're gonna have to deal

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Speaker 2: with it. Well that's just technicoh to you, that's finest.

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Speaker 2: So I had this rant today on my show, and

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Speaker 2: this has been a pretty consistent thing for thirty years

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Speaker 2: in the business that there is no even so, just

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Speaker 2: own dynasties. They're coming and they're going to come in

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Speaker 2: different forms. When the Lakers dominated forever, it wasn't that

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Speaker 2: they always paid the most. It's because Jerry Buss was

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Speaker 2: cool and the Laker girls were cool, and the weather

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Speaker 2: so people liked playing there. And then pat Riley went

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Speaker 2: to the Miami Heat and he sold the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Miami's cool. Miami's got perfect winter weather. So they won

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Speaker 2: on weather cool, not the most money. Duke basketball won

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Speaker 2: on resume and Mike Krzyzewski and il By the way,

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Speaker 2: now Indiana football's got better financing than most of the country.

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Speaker 2: Is it unfair? There is no even so. Oklahoma City

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Speaker 2: is not only twenty four and one, but analytically the

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Speaker 2: best defensive team ever they are. I mean, they're blowing

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Speaker 2: people out for two years now. The playoffs are different, right,

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Speaker 2: their coach, their GM, their bench, which is maybe the

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Speaker 2: advantage has simply been they're smarter, they're more efficient, and

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Speaker 2: the new CBA, I would argue, is more putative to

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Speaker 2: ineffective gms. It punishes them more. I'll throw one more

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Speaker 2: stat at you. In nineteen eighty nine, the richest people

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Speaker 2: now have seventeen times that. Okay, seven different presidents. The

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Speaker 2: point is you can't legislate fair or even even socialism

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Speaker 2: and I look at the Dodgers, at least the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: seed to analytics, it's terribly boring. And that Adam Silver

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Speaker 1: And that.

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Speaker 2: Baseball and the NBA should both both should embrace the

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if we're dealing with a little

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Speaker 1: ratings are not going up because of of parody. I

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Speaker 1: because it's Oklahoma City. Not necessarily because dynasty. I agree

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, I guess. My My ultimate point is

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Speaker 2: The NBA has become to me kind of fear based

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Speaker 1: But if they didn't have those rules, yeah, is there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma City's doing it now well.

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Speaker 2: So you actually become a prisoner of where you get drafted.

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Speaker 1: Like like my my brother in law graduates from Purdue

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Speaker 1: I do think they in general would be less interesting

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Speaker 1: I would argue that Yannis, like not all titles are

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Speaker 1: His titles plural in Golden State are not as impressive

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Speaker 2: Here's a something that somebody asked me the other day.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the international stars who are now MVPs in

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Speaker 2: I've thought about this. Can I throw this at you always?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because baseball, like the NFL sells the team, they sell

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Speaker 1: She had time.

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Speaker 1: Undefeated, the Cubs very defeated undefeated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's if somebody said this, if Wrigley was

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Speaker 1: It's like one of It's probably my favorite place in

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Speaker 2: So baseball sells the team Yankees. Now players can help

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Speaker 3: And Steph had the podcast two weeks ago where they're like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Like who is the guy? Is it gonna be Anthony Edwards?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I and I listen, I think the league's never

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Speaker 1: It's that is a statement of fact, Like the league

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Speaker 2: this Christmas. So I've always been I've always been a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. First of all,

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Speaker 1: going to a bowl game, they are going to cry

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Speaker 1: about it and take their ball and go home. You'd

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Speaker 1: be like Notre Dame, you know, like it's just kind

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Speaker 1: of and by the way, they like it, like duke basketball,

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Speaker 1: they kind of like it's part of their DNA to

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Speaker 1: be like a little smug and like we're a little

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Speaker 1: better than you. And so I wasn't surprised like you.

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Speaker 1: I was turned off by it. And this is one

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Speaker 1: I also know that you will disagree with me on.

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Speaker 1: I will add it to the list of things where

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Speaker 1: I just everyone says this is awesome for college football

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Speaker 1: the playoff because we get more games and it gets

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Speaker 1: decided on the field. And I know the ratings are huge,

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Speaker 1: and I know this makes me argue against more football.

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Speaker 1: So I know that this is I'm upstream without a

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Speaker 1: paddle here. But like Indiana beat Ohio State in football,

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Speaker 1: the ultimate basketball school beats the ultimate football school for

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten championship to become the number one team

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Speaker 1: in the country. And I watch your show every day

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Speaker 1: as I get ready to do my show. And that

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Speaker 1: made Herdline News and you you spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time talking about how two loss ninth ranked Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: did they get snubbed for two loss tenth ranked Miami.

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Speaker 1: Who Miami beat? Now, to your credit, you argued, know

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Speaker 1: they're being ridiculous, but like, have we lost the plot

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Speaker 1: a little bit that we are focusing on the ninth

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Speaker 1: and tenth ranked team instead of the teams at the top.

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Speaker 1: To me, like it is just what is awesome about

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Speaker 1: college football? And there's many things, but I loved I

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Speaker 1: loved that the regular season in college football mattered even

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Speaker 1: more than the regular season in the NFL. Every game matter,

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Speaker 1: and last year, Ohio State Michigan, in my world, should

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Speaker 1: have been an elimination game for Ohio State because if

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Speaker 1: Michigan can beat Ohio State and Ohio State can fall

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Speaker 1: to eight and be the eight seed and then make

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Speaker 1: it to the tournament and win it, Okay, congrats for

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Speaker 1: your national championship. But then I personally care a little

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Speaker 1: less about Ohio State Michigan. I know that's sacrilege to say,

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Speaker 1: and I know that'll never be the case for Ohio

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Speaker 1: State fans, and I know it'll never be the case

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Speaker 1: for Michigan fans, But like if that's not an elimination

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Speaker 1: game in that spot, it objectively means less to the case,

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Speaker 1: to the casual person. And so it's like, I just

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Speaker 1: I felt like Indiana got lost in the shuffle and

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Speaker 1: I felt like people were debating things that a two

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Speaker 1: loss team didn't get a chance to be the ten

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Speaker 1: seed in the playoff. I'm not there yet in my

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Speaker 1: college football brain to care about that.

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Speaker 2: the way to the English Premier League, the regular season

480
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Speaker 2: is simply preamble until the championship. You're arguing is I

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Speaker 2: want this one sport to really have a great regular season,

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Speaker 2: but the rest of it's sort of nonsense. It'll be nonsense.

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Speaker 2: The bowl games. We'll just end it with these arbitrary,

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Speaker 2: weird bowl games that nobody goes to. And my take

485
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Speaker 2: is in sports, we all know and it doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: take too much away from the regular season that we

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Speaker 2: sort of know. There's those great NBA regular season games

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night at Celtics Lakers Lebron and Jason Tatum

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Speaker 2: and I love those games. But in every sport, including

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Speaker 2: Little league eighth grade girls volleyball, there's a regular season

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Speaker 2: and then you decide in the playoffs, and all the

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Speaker 2: time in the regular season, an underdog beats a big person,

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Speaker 2: and the underdog that's the that's their moment in the sun.

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Speaker 2: My problem with bull college football was always we cared

495
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Speaker 2: too much about the regular season and then punted on

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Speaker 2: these weird, unattended ball games. So it was like, finally

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Speaker 2: Fox and the ESPN said, it's an eight billion dollar

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Speaker 2: industry with a lot. It's a movie with a horrible ending.

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Speaker 2: We just want to make the ending better to the movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again that is a that is what happened,

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Speaker 1: and I get that it was going to happen. Do

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Speaker 1: you think they're going to go to sixteen? Are they

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Speaker 1: going to go to thirty? Are they going to go

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Speaker 1: to thirty two.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they'll go to thirty two. I'm very

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Speaker 2: comfortable with twelve. I wouldn't put too lane in. I

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Speaker 2: don't buy into James Madison. I think that's just nonsense.

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Speaker 2: I just think it makes everybody feel good. It's a

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Speaker 2: neat story. It's not the truth. But fine, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to lose any sleep in March badness. It works

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Speaker 2: because they're sixty eight teams.

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Speaker 3: I think it's the basketball can play a game on

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Speaker 3: a Thursday and then a game on a Saturday, right, right.

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Speaker 2: I would have rather. I would have rather seen Vanderbilt

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Speaker 2: in Texas. But I'm good. I'm fine with it. I

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Speaker 2: think people look at the Boise State teams, we like

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Speaker 2: Chris Peterson, where they had eleven NFL people, and they go, well,

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Speaker 2: they beat Oklahoma, and it's like, okay, that was that

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Speaker 2: team could have beaten anybody. It was Chris Peterson and

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Speaker 2: Boise State was an NFL factory. Yeah, so I I

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Speaker 2: college football is a little inartistic. It's very turbulent, it's weird,

522
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Speaker 2: but it's always felt like boxing where it's it's I

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Speaker 2: always say it's the Wild Wild West, like the territorial

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Speaker 2: governors you had in the Wild Wild West. Those are

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Speaker 2: the commissioners now everybody every every territory for itself, and

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Speaker 2: it's like, no, we need like a Dana White, like

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Speaker 2: we need a Roger Goodell. So I am willing to

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Speaker 2: be less engaged, although I'm not, but I'm willing to

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Speaker 2: care a little less about Auburn all, amma, if I

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Speaker 2: get a great ending to the movie.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's totally reasonable. But like to

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Speaker 1: your point, like James Madison, Oregon is there. You know

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Speaker 1: they're three touchdown plus underdogs in that game and it's

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Speaker 1: a playoff game like that kind of feels like a

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Speaker 1: bowl game that I didn't care about what what what

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Speaker 1: once upon a time. And the bowl game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my wife went to Clemson. She's like, Oh, they're playing

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Speaker 1: at Yankee Stadium. They're playing in the pin Stripe Bowl.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get us tickets to that. It's like okay,

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Speaker 1: like you know what, so so so we're so we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go see Clemson Penn State at Yankee Stadium and

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Speaker 1: it'll probably be sold out with all those fans there. So,

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Speaker 1: like I agree with you, the bowl games didn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I definitely agree that at the end this it feels

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Speaker 1: more like a true process to crown a champion. It's

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Speaker 1: undeniable that it's good TV and good business and it works.

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Speaker 1: I just I uh, the other thing that doesn't sit

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Speaker 1: great with me. And I've heard you address this and

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Speaker 1: like notre Dame is not going to play USC Oklahoma's

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Speaker 1: like Oklahoma can't play Oklahoma State anymore. There's just the

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Speaker 1: conferences are so big and there's not divisions anymore. So

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Speaker 1: even if you're in a conference, you don't get to

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Speaker 1: play everybody in your conference to tell me truly who

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Speaker 1: was the best. Like, it's just because we have to

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Speaker 1: get into this conference to have a better shot at

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Speaker 1: a playoff, to get a better shot at a bid,

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Speaker 1: to get a bigger It's just college football is messy

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00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: and regional and rivalry and irrational. Like I want Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: to play Oklahoma State. I want Kansas to play Missouri.

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Speaker 1: I want, like, I want that stuff to matter for

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Speaker 1: that sport, and I'll get there, but I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't love that this stuff has led to that stuff ending. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's been very quick and very quick. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like I've, I've. It's not perfectly analogous,

565
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Speaker 2: but it's like AI or the pandemic the world changed overnight.

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Speaker 2: Job displacement wear a mask. College football in a year

567
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: went from paying a players to death penalty to celebrating

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Speaker 2: it and marketing it and bidding wars over a junior

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Speaker 2: high school. It's like, WHOA, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: And USC has to play Rutgers in volleyball, and like

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Speaker 1: USC plays Rutgers but not Notre Dame. I'm like, are

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Speaker 1: you sure? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you positive? That's what we want? Like it just

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Speaker 3: and you're and you're right, Like it all changed real fast,

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Speaker 3: and it's real fast. I still you've got me right,

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Speaker 3: like like I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not your issue, Like I'm gonna watch big games, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna gamble on it. I understand the business side of it.

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Speaker 1: And I am entertained still obviously by any football game

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Speaker 1: that you put on television with a point spread. But

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Speaker 1: it's just like, I don't know, it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: lot fast, and I'm very interested where the dust settles

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Speaker 1: in a decade and how this is all gonna settle

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 2: a legend in a bottle today. So you know, I

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Speaker 2: was looking over the topics they gave us today. Here's

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Speaker 2: one that's really interesting to me. So certainly I understood

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Speaker 2: the Tim Tebow fascination because he was winning all the

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Speaker 2: time and there was a Christianity connection. Yeah, the Chador

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Speaker 2: thing is weird because he came from a small program,

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Speaker 2: didn't win a ton in college. There was no religious connection.

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Speaker 2: And I said, he reminds me of LaMelo Ball. He's

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Speaker 2: the first quarterback influencer where he's really popular in places

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Speaker 2: I don't go. I go to TV, popular on ig

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Speaker 2: or maybe Snapchat or all this stuff. And I think

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Speaker 2: that Dylan gabriel early success is very explainable. Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 2: played so many college games. He was more ready than Shadure.

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Speaker 2: He also played in more of a pro system at

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Speaker 2: Oregon with pro players instead of Colorado. So Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 2: played so many college games. When he walked into that

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Speaker 2: camp for the Browns to fancy, he's like, Oh, this

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Speaker 2: kid's unbelievable. On the whiteboard, he's unbelievable. But over the

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Speaker 2: course of time, Shouder's talents greater, which I've always argued,

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Speaker 2: And over the course of time Shadur ramped up, got

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Speaker 2: a lot of practices and everybody went, that's the better guy.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think there was anything other than more

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Speaker 2: experienced college guy from a greater NFL ready program had

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Speaker 2: a clear advantage to start, but eventually talent wins. But

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Speaker 2: through it all, what we aren't talking about is Shadur

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00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: does appear to be better than everybody in the NFL

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00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: fought because he was a fifth round quarterback, and Greg

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00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: Cosell came on my show this week and went, yeah,

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00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: the film said he was excellent and lost in all

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Speaker 2: of this is the most important position in the sport.

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Speaker 2: And because people didn't like some vibes, there's a franchise

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Speaker 2: quarterback in Cleveland and he'll be free for the next

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Speaker 2: four years.

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Speaker 1: To me, that's unbelievable. I have all the respect in

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Speaker 1: the world for Greg Cosel. I watched every throw that

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Speaker 1: he had against Tennessee, and he was great. I thought

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Speaker 1: that he made some really impressive throws. I thought the

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Speaker 1: the throw to in Djoku for the touchdown, I thought, yes.

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Speaker 1: I thought the throw to Fanin for the two point conversion,

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Speaker 1: I thought. I thought he dumped it off some where

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Speaker 1: it felt like he felt pressure and had pretty good

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Speaker 1: just like awareness around him. I thought there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of impressive things in that game against Tennessee. I

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Speaker 1: still think it's a little soon to say that he

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Speaker 1: is a franchise quarterback for not beating the Titans, Like

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Speaker 1: it's just like he didn't be getting a little excited.

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Speaker 1: He didn't beat the worst team in the league, and

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Speaker 1: now you've got him his Cleveland starter for the next

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Speaker 1: four years. I think that's a little premature because the

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Speaker 1: game where he came in off the bench against Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: he looked not like an NFL player. The game against

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Speaker 1: his only road game this year is against the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: maybe the easiest spot to have a road game other

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Speaker 1: than Tennessee, and he was eleven for twenty for two

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Speaker 1: hundred yards, and he had a sixty six yard touchdown,

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Speaker 1: but sixty five of that was yack. It was a

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00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: dump off swing pass where the Raiders just didn't tackle.

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Speaker 1: And the Niners game, he was not good. And so like,

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Speaker 1: let's see because the Bears defense is not very good,

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Speaker 1: but they lead the league in takeaways.

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Speaker 2: But he's gonna say and also, the Bears have a

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Speaker 2: stack roster like Denver does. Shador has a bad roster

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Speaker 2: and he's being very productive with a terrible receiving corps,

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Speaker 2: like really bad receiving corps.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and and a coach who seemingly doesn't like him,

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Speaker 1: and so like like, yeah, I I Shador has been

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Speaker 1: better than I thought he was going to be, But like,

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Speaker 1: can we see how he plays when it's gonna be

657
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Speaker 1: five degrees below zero on the windshield against the number

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Speaker 1: one takeaway defense in the NFL? Like, I just it's

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Speaker 1: it's a little early for me to say that if

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Speaker 1: Cleveland has a top three pick, they're not taking a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and if they I.

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Speaker 2: Would take Mendoza over him and.

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Speaker 1: Cheap, But then he's not a cheap franchise quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the next four years. Like if he doesn't play another

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying. I don't think they're gonna

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Speaker 2: get to Mendoza. I think Cleveland's too talent. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: win another game. I would take Mendoza over him. That's

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Speaker 2: not saying he's not a franchise quarterback. Mendoza, I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen, Schadeur, I cannot imagine because think about

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Speaker 1: what NFL teams have overlooked like how because thirty two

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Speaker 1: teams passed on him at least four times and some

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Speaker 2: And he is the most accurate college.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback ever and his father is one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: athletes this country has ever produced. Top five right, So, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it was a conspiracy. I think there

679
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: was real red flags there, and I just I want

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00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: to I need to like actions, right, the NFL's action

681
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,080
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682
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Speaker 1: so Now I think it's actually interesting. I think that

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Speaker 1: their confirmation bias of how they felt about him going

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689
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690
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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of factors at play here. But

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Speaker 1: I will admit, like now it's interesting, like now now

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Speaker 1: show what you can do. And I can't wait for

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Speaker 1: to explain it, but like next year, Deshaun Watson's on

695
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Speaker 1: that roster. No, gross, I agree with you. But the

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Speaker 1: owner of the Browns was at Deshaun Watson's wedding this offseason,

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Speaker 1: I know, and executed the worst trade in NFL history

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Speaker 1: and gave him a contract that apparently made him a

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Speaker 2: look at year two, Josh Allen and Caleb Williams, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Oh I've I've looked. It might be my screensaver.

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Speaker 2: So Josh Allen did get better and I think Caleb

748
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,920
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749
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750
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751
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Speaker 2: Look at six six Drew Brees. No, Josh is still

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Speaker 2: a playmaker. He's probably closer to a sixty five sixty

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Speaker 2: He's throwing to tight ends because Kincaid.

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Speaker 1: Hawes Yeah knocks, yeah knocks.

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Speaker 2: That's I mean last week gave Davis, who they brought back,

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Speaker 2: had two catches. That was their go to. So I

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Speaker 2: think lost in Caleb Williams or under discussed. Not lost

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Speaker 2: is the fact that he may have made two of

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Speaker 2: the best throws of the season last week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the one is the keyst and the one that comment, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: The one in the end zone is you. It's almost

766
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: an optical illusion when you watch it in real time.

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00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: If you watch it again in full speed, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: make sense. So he got there.

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Speaker 1: I was watching it. I was watching it with Nick,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, tell me if I'm being a

771
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Speaker 1: prisoner of the moment. But like he has the best

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Speaker 1: arm in the NFL. I think he does right. Like

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Speaker 1: it's it's it doesn't obviously that doesn't mean you're the

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Speaker 1: best it. Throwing it hard is not. But like like

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Speaker 1: to throw with velocity and accuracy on the move like

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Speaker 1: that is just It's just it's preposterous. It's it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's him, Josh Allen. It's it's a short list

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Speaker 1: of guys.

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Speaker 2: So I guess this is my point. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a shorter Josh Allen. I think that's just camp. I

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00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: think he's a six to one Josh Allen. Everybody's like, well,

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Speaker 2: what is this? Everybody has comp and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: said it today on the Herd, I'm like, he has

784
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 2: comp is Josh Allen Like there is no ceiling for him?

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00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: If I told you best arm never gets hurt those

786
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: very few interceptions. By the way, probably the best runner

787
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: right now in the league at quarterback now that Lamar

788
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: has scaled back, it's either Josh Allen or Caleb. And

789
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: you think this sounds crazy. I think Caleb is a

790
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Speaker 2: shorter Josh Allen.

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00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: I really do so. I still think I still think

792
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Speaker 1: it's Aaron Rodgers. I just the the shorter Josh Allen

793
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: is just gonna be tough for me because so much

794
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: of what Josh Allen does is like he's a polar bear,

795
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, He's people bounce off

796
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: him like Ben Roethlisberger. Uh, he will truck people, not

797
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: that Caleb's not willing the truck people he has like

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Speaker 1: he because he's Caleb's six' one, but he's strong, like

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Speaker 1: he's like six one two thirty five, like he's he's pretty,

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Speaker 1: he's pretty beefy to thirty whatever it is. But like

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Speaker 1: Rogers was six two and Caleb maybe this is also

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Speaker 1: just following everything the guy said since he's been a

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Speaker 1: pro bla, like he's modeled his game after Rogers. Rogers

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Speaker 1: is his favorite player ever and what to me, one

805
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: of the greatest quarterback seasons, Like I'm like the short

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00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: list in NFL history is Rogers's twenty eleven season when

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00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 1: he had forty five touchdowns and six picks, because if

808
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: you look at that season, it was like it wasn't

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00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: a Brady surgical I'm just never throwing a risky play

810
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have ten twelve fourteen play drives. It

811
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: was like he's top three in yards per attemp. Like

812
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: he was chucking the ball down the field and making

813
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: big throws but also not turning it over like they

814
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: were like deep ball throws that weren't risky. It was

815
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: it's crazy stuff, and I think that's what Caleb can

816
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: be like when he really dials it in, he wants

817
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: to use that arm and throw it all over the place,

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00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: and but he doesn't throw picks, and so that is

819
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Speaker 1: I still think the absolute ceiling is the downfield aggressive

820
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: assassin who doesn't turn the ball over and his mobility

821
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: and escapability is crazy because like Josh Allen can run,

822
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: but he's not like pureuetting out of you know, like

823
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: like Caleb Williams looks like I want Chicago to nickname

824
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: him the one, Like he looks like Neo in the matrix.

825
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: He's like dodging bullets. He was sat sixty eight times

826
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: last year, and people said I was a homer for

827
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: this opinion, but I stand by it. I actually thought

828
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: he had a pretty good pocket presence last time. Like

829
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Speaker 1: it's an insane thing to say for a guy who

830
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Speaker 1: took had a top five sacks season in NFL history.

831
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Speaker 2: Well, Ben Johnson, first thing he did, Jonah Jackson drew

832
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Speaker 2: Dolmand Joe Tooney. It wasn't Caleb. It was the line.

833
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and like it was and he was he

834
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: was trying to make plays like it wasn't like he

835
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: was dropping back to pass and getting blindsided and he

836
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: didn't see it coming. It was like the team sucks.

837
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: It's a ten game losing streak. I have three play callers,

838
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: my rookie year. Guys are dropping like flies all around

839
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: me and I'm trying to make plays and he would

840
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: get he would get sack. Now, some of it was

841
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: on him. He held the ball too long. I think

842
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: that's the number that I think. It was on a

843
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Monday night football broadcast, and it blew my mind. He

844
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: took like twenty eight sacks last year where he held

845
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: the ball for five more seconds. That should be impossible.

846
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't think Peyton Manning did it in his career,

847
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: and so like he he's definitely learned and Ben Johnson

848
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: has helped him. But he is an escape artist back there,

849
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: and sometimes it'll lead to a sack that was seventeen

850
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: yards instead of eight yards like you know sometimes, but

851
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: he's really cut down on that this year. The completion

852
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: percentage is way too low. He he doesn't seem to

853
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: see it quite quick enough. Like the throw he missed

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Speaker 1: to comment was open. He just he saw it late

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Speaker 1: and underthrew it. Terrible combination and it was a game

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Speaker 1: ending interception. But like I am convinced that there is

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Speaker 1: a superstar there and that there is an MVP there,

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Speaker 1: and I think Ben Johnson's going to get there. I

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Speaker 1: think we've seen it before, like the Mahomes. It was

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Speaker 1: his first year starting, which made it so special, but

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Speaker 1: it was his second year and Andy Reid's system, like

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Speaker 1: we've seen the even if it's third year in the league,

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Speaker 1: but it's the second year in the system. Like second

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Speaker 1: year in the system is when you can have the

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Speaker 1: mastery of it. I think Caleb is going to be

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Speaker 1: a very trendy MVP pick next year. I think he's

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Speaker 1: going to have a monster season next year with Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll see what that means for the rest

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Speaker 1: of this year.

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Speaker 2: Danny Parkins First things first, the volume