WEBVTT - Grounds Pass: Live From Brooklyn 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:16.480 Okay, great feeds. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.239 All right, okay, all right, Hi everybody, and welcome to 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.680 the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast. I'm here with Caitlin. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:28.400 Hi everybody, and I'm Anastasia. We're of Ground Pass Podcast. 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.480 I just had to remind Anastasia to lift her my cup. Okay, 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.720 So hi everybody. We are in live in Brooklyn. We 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.680 have right behind us right now the Alcarez and Ben 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:41.280 Shelton match. But forget about the guys, Let's talk about 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.840 the women. I mean, how good has been the tennis today? 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.320 From the women's matches, We've got so much to talk 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.960 about in general terms. But what do you want to 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.600 start with today, Caitlin and Anastasia, Well. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.600 Honest, Asia, I just want to say kudos to you. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.640 You've been in residence, yes here and mcceren pok If 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.000 anybody in New York City know the wonderful mccarren Park 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:02.640 tennis courts. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.600 I just came from there when I've played with my. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:06.920 Son, and they have this lovely park house in the middle. 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.080 And you've been doing screenings every day for the last week. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.679 Yes, for the last week, we've been doing screenings of 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.880 Roland Garros. I thought it'd be great. You know, there's 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.880 sports bars, there's a football you can watch the baseball 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:19.800 and bars, but there's nowhere where you can kind of 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.200 screen the tennis. I thought, wouldn't it be great if 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.399 I could help do that. And we're doing that for 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:26.480 a few days. We just did this past week and 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:27.679 we're doing it next week as well. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.600 If you're up at like seven, you're here at seven. 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.839 Yes, they open at seven, so I'm here at seven. 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.040 Well, and guess what, people, we're watching the French Open. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.880 So it's in Paris. Yeah, so it's six hours later. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.440 Which I love. Yeah, by the way, I love waking 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:39.679 up to tennis, which I did this morning. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.600 And let's get into the ladies because the first thing 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:45.440 I turned on was the s Fitzolina Jasmine Paolini match. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:47.760 I know you're I don't actually know how you feel 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.800 about it being the Elena's Fiddelina fan you are, But 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.120 Paulini is I think you've said many times your favorite. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:57.000 Pauline is my favorite player to watch. I've always loved her. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.720 I love her just dynamic posts and on the court. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.760 I love her personal I mean just in general off 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.480 the court, she's just a light. But also the way 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.800 she plays is really terrific. She doesn't have a lot 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.320 of weaknesses. But what we saw today was why Elena 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.560 Switzerlina is literally the best player to not win a 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.120 Grand Slam, because she just doesn't quit. And you know, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.000 Paulini had her chances. She had three match points. I 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.600 will say on the two match points that I thought 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.919 she had. On Switzelina's serve in the second set, she 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.400 served for the match of five to three, I think 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.960 that's where she made the error. You gotta win the 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.919 service game to win the match, but Switzerlina comes back. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.440 You know, there's two match points. I felt like on 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.280 Switzelina's serve she didn't play aggressive enough Paulini, she was 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.320 a little bit sort of like passive, and then when 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.960 she tried to be aggressive, it was on the wrong 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.840 shot and the back end up high way above her shoulders. 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.640 And you know, as I've spoken, she's teeny daney, she's 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.880 in me shoulder in the New Caitlyn, and so for her strength, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.359 for her to hit a back end down the line, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:54.920 we try and hit that shot for a winner was 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.160 not the right thing to do. But then I thought 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.160 the match point that she had in the tiebreak, she 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.400 played an a and Switzerlina hit two balls that were 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.840 like an inch from the sideline, and so you got 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.280 to give credit to Switzerlana on that particular match point. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.400 And then she played more aggressive. She came in on 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.280 that one back and hit the back and volley to 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.120 go six all in the tiebreak. And then once the 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:16.840 tie break was over, you could see that just the 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.639 air just came out of Polini three love down immediately, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.160 and that it was kind of like a battle after that. 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.440 But you know the reason why Switzerlina has done so 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.120 well and won so many tournaments throughout her career is 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.520 what we saw today is she gonna win the tournament. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.520 It's gonna be tough. She's got a lot of tough 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.919 players ahead of her, but damn I would love to 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.640 see her win a tournament one of these years at 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:37.400 a Grand Slam. 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:38.320 Yeah. Yeah, No. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.200 I hadn't watched Selena this whole tournament. This was my 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:42.480 first match that I watched. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:43.800 You know, she just sort of. 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.000 Quietly got to this round and it was a shape 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:51.280 because I think Polly definitely had that match on her 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.040 racket and she just couldn't close it out, and like 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.560 you said, it's like once you're not serving for it, 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.920 and you know she just she kind of shrunk a little. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.120 She doesn't need to shrink and she already small enough. 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.680 Yeah, then five three servant for it. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.920 Yeah, the tiebreak, Yeah, she had that one moment on 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.600 match point and then Spindelina just played. But I do 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.440 have a sort of renee and I have argued about 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.159 Elena s Videlina a number of times, and I'm not 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.440 going to be a jerk about it, but. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.720 Everybody knows we like to argue, but usually it's because 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.240 I'm right and you're wrong to carry on. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.960 Why hasn't Elena Spitelina want her grandsame? 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.720 Simple? She doesn't have a big weapon. And you could 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:31.760 say the same thing about was Niyaki. You can say 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.039 the same thing about Hallip, but you know Hallup, the 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.159 people that they played in finals were similar to them. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.000 So it was a sort of a little bit more 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.080 of a war of attrition with was Niyaki playing Hallop 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.080 in the finals of these trying to open and uh 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.760 Hallop beating Serena at Wimbledon was shocking. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:51.000 Nobody saw that especially, but if. 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.080 You go back and watch that match, she was incredibly aggressive. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.159 She played so aggressively, she played on the top of 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.200 her toes. She was returning from inside this. I remember 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:00.719 it vividly because I thought, oh, now, this is going 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.640 to be Serena's post baby tato now. And I think everyone, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:07.120 including the only person in the world who maybe didn't 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.280 think that was andre Pekcovitch, who played her in that 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.320 tournament and talked about it. Yeah, and Samona Halla herself, 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.240 which you know, everyone else, including Serena that she was 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:14.560 gonna war. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:17.680 But Serena didn't serve great in that final, and that's 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:19.880 what killed her in that particular match, as well as 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.520 Hallett playing exceptionally like its probably the best match I've 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:24.560 ever seen her play for sure. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.560 Good getting back to spiddle in it. Because I'm usually 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.240 accusing her correctly of being a pusher. I will say 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:31.560 she did not push today. 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:33.600 Well, because I tried to tell you she doesn't push. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.000 She doesn't do it anymore. 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:36.440 She's a different player. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.760 Yeah, Yeah, there's a difference between pushing and not not 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.120 having had a massive weapon and being a true counterpuncher. 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.280 She is a counterpuncher because she moves well, but she's 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:51.800 also ken at times go for it when she wants to. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.120 And when she won the WTA finals about four or 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.000 five years ago, I was over there coaching Carolina pushkover 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.679 and she hid everybody off the court. She was serving people. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.440 She has the ability, just like was Niyaki did when 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.719 she won the Estra and Open and prior won the 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.800 w t A finals also all of a sudden had 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.520 power were serving people off the court. So they can 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.520 do it. It's just that their default mechanism is to 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.560 not go for it because they don't have the weapons. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.440 But they say, well, I don't. I don't want to 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.840 make a mistake, so I'm not going to make a mistake. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.080 But against Switzerland, against the shan Tech, against the Saballenka, 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.279 against the Rebakina, You're gonna go for it under pressure. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.200 So that leads me to the next question, which is 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.320 the person I have been on the tennis court? I 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.440 assume I'm hopefully not. But Anastasia you told me at 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.680 the bagels over there, yeah, kindly donated for her live 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:39.960 podcast that which, by. 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.120 The way, might be the best of ever. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:42.479 Very delicious bagels. 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:47.040 Shout out to Curley's Bagels, They're the best. Throw it out, 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.559 yep I did learn from you at the bagel station 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.719 that Yugoshiantek had in fact prevailed over Elena Rebeke, and I. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:55.360 Yes she had. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.320 And it's crazy because that first set was you know, 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:03.280 Rebakna was serving, she keep up serving, and you know 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.640 she had her chances there in the second, but she 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.560 wasn't able to close it out. She didn't like, she 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.520 wasn't aggressive, like, she didn't like cloth, you know, go 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.480 through here's and she let her in the moment you 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.040 let Eager in. I think that's it. You let her end. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.920 Certainly right now. I think the biggest turnaround was that 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:26.040 Elena Rebarkna was serving unbelievable, as you said, returning unbelievable, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.560 but Eager was playing horribly on her own service games. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:31.560 And this has been the difference maker for me and 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:33.720 will be the difference maker if she wants to win 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.000 the tournament going forward. She has to serve better and 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.600 she has to serve smarter. And I spoke to you 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:40.320 about this a couple of weeks ago when she was 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:43.040 playing Danielle Collins. You don't always have to hit a 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.920 big serve on clay. What you have to do is 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:48.320 get your opponent off the court. And Eager Seantek has 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.040 one of the best kick serves, particularly on the second court. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.600 And why she's trying to hit a big first serve 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.800 and then allow Rebekna to go after her second serve, 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.360 which is always a kickserve, is so dumb because Rebarkina 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.960 steps inside the baseline for her for the second serve. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.800 But if you're a smart player, you know this is 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:09.840 what sam Stosa would do on Clay, for example, with 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.160 that beautiful kicker that she had hit the kick serve 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.160 as a first serve when your opponent is behind the 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.960 base super smart, because when someone's behind the baseline, they 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.120 can't be super aggressive. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:21.320 And they have to go sadeways and then they're in 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:22.640 Siberia well. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.880 And the thing is that Rebarkina doesn't move that well. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.160 So now you've got her kicked off of the court 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.240 with a first serve. She's going to hit a good return. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.320 Her backhand's her best shot, but it's going to go 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.200 cross court more than likely. And then she goes bang 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.000 with the back end down the line. She can't cover it, 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.840 or if she tries to go down the line, that 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.920 allows Eager to hit her fourhand off the court. So 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.400 what happened in the second set was first of all, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:45.600 rebarkiing a missed the easiest folly to lose serve. 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:46.920 I was going to ask you about that. 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.920 Don't go to off, please please don't ask her about 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.280 the valley technique of the WT. To her professional status 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.040 here at God, I mean, if we may have an 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.440 actual aneurysm in front of this crowd of Simbol people, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:58.960 I don't want to get her out of here on 0:08:58.960 --> 0:08:59.240 a stretch. 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.680 Listen, if I had those groundstrokes would have been real good, 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.360 you know what I mean. But but yeah, I mean 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.920 rebekin a double folded the first point at two one 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.880 a set and two to one, killing Eager at this 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.000 point not missing a serve, double faults the first point, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:15.400 and then all of a sudden, It's just like I 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.320 talked about when Coco does that, it's like, Oh, your 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.440 opponent goes, oh, you're not fallible on serf, you're double faulding. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.320 Ye okay, now I'm ahead in the game. Eager did 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.959 a good job. She moved back behind the baseline, which 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.640 she never does. So I don't know if Wim told 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.000 her to do that, but maybe he finally had some 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.559 coaching from the stands. That actually made sitting well. Long story, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.199 but like go back and get the serf back in 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.200 the court because EGA is always going to win the 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:42.960 rally most of the time. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.040 Yeah, but just neutralized. 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.600 But you're not gonna win a rally if you're not 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.320 getting it. The point started and you're serving like shit. 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:50.520 So there you go. That's what changed. What happened is 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.640 it turned around and Eagle was get in a first 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.280 serve in starting the point on a positive and Rebeckina 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.440 wasn't serving off the court. And Lindsay Davenport said an 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.040 interesting thing right at the end of the third set. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:02.480 She felt felt that Rabakiina was getting a little her 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.840 fitness was starting to wane, and that's why she wasn't 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.320 making his money for surf. So we won't know that. 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.440 But this was a gut chick match, big time for 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:12.080 eager to win. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.120 And she escaped the Ostapenko. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:21.240 Perilous, perilous, lurking cauldron of death is Helena Astapenco because 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:22.640 Elena rob Backener took her out. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:24.640 Did you see when Shlakian has beating her the last 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:25.439 two times on clay? 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.240 I don't think no, no, no, I mean it's still not 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.319 a great job because now even if he go beats 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:33.120 Elena Fideleina, which I hope Elena's Fidelina, former reformed pusher, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:38.720 now aggressive according to you, I said what I said, Uh, 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.360 now she's hitting through the court. Now she's hitting big. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.839 I hope she brings the whole arsenal. But then even 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.160 if Hega gets through that, she's got sabal Anca and 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:47.680 her half. 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:47.880 Of the drib. 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:48.440 It's brutal. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:48.920 It's brutal. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:49.959 It's brutal up there, brutal. 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.760 I haven't looked at the scores yet, but Sabalanka is 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.440 on court right now with and it's Mova, so yeah, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.319 who knows where that's gonna go. But it's it's just 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.800 one of those things. I was talking to Neck, my 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.920 co host, yesterday, and I said, you know, Eager's warming 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:09.440 up into the tournament and she's kind of finding her form. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.840 But there's something I think about this court, about Roland 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.920 Garrison this tournament, she just seems unbeatable. Every time I think, Okay, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.120 this is the match, this is the one. Like with Rebeccn, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.680 I was like, okay, this is it. After that first set, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.320 she just she turns it around there's something in the 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:27.360 air here. Well. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.439 I think I think also Rebecken, even though she won 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.120 a tournament last week, doesn't have the same confidence that 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.720 she had a couple of years ago. She's had her 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.560 own woes and problems with her coaching situation, et cetera. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.839 But I just think this came down to the fact 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.040 that IgA, as you said, is so comfortable on this 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.720 court and hasn't lost in three years, I believe, on 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.240 this court, so that makes such a difference that you 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.040 don't panic as much as to do on other courts. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.160 But I just think the way that she went back, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.000 she chose to get the ball back in the court 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.520 off the return, and she served smarter and it's a 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:01.480 big so she wasn't acing her off the court, but 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.560 she was getting in the point ahead on point on 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.840 her own serve and then she used her skills on 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.080 clay and that's what got the win. Now is that 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.960 gonna give her a lot of confidence? I mean, I said, 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:11.719 I think she's still gonna win the tournament because I 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:13.319 think she's by far the best player on that court 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.760 when she's playing at her best. But you know, she 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.080 hasn't won a tournament since he last year, which is 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.760 incredible to say. And I can tell you that when 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.080 Faset's job is definitely on the line if she doesn't 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.320 win this tournament. But you know what, we'll see what happens. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.360 It's gonna it's murderer's row in front of her still 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.640 and Coco down the bottom half of the drawer is 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.160 just you know, she's had a fairly easy draw. It's 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:36.920 going to get a little bit more difficult now. But 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:38.840 you have to think that she's by far the favor 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:39.800 on the bottom half of the draw. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:43.640 Yeah, I do want to call out there is the 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.120 chance because it just happened on Clay that Chin Ween 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:51.360 Jung comes through that top half and maybe meets Eager 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.560 And I'm not like a big draw predictor like she 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:57.480 has to play Sablanca or Anissamova before that. I think 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.760 she probably plays Sabalanca. And I think she now thinks 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.640 Sea Link has fell of the line clear because she is, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.920 but also because she beat her Unclay, and so for me, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.160 there is I just sort of actually just kind of 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.600 underscores the point that it's like not an easy road 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:09.319 kind of for. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:10.760 Anybody up on the tap of the draw. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:11.840 No, no, it's brutal. 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:12.559 It's brutal. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.240 When we saw the draw immediately, I was like, oh 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:15.920 my god, the top top half of the drawer is 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.600 just so so so full of great players. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.120 And this is what happens if you don't win a 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.880 tournament in a year, if you're Igoshfiantek, because this should 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.840 be your number one seed tournament to go into and 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:28.360 instead she's three or four. 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:34.000 Yeah, outside, that's just why she played who she played today, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.360 but and who she's going to play in the next match. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.120 Should we just while we're talking about the women, because 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:40.280 I know there's a lot to talk about on the man, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:41.959 should we talk about the fact that there's a bunch 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.200 of American ladies, including Anistemova. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.400 Yeah, it's incredible, but it's been like that forever. I mean, 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.680 I don't know if you saw my interview with Francis 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.360 Tiaffo a couple of years ago, maybe it was last 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.520 year at the US Open, and I said, well, it's 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.280 about time you caught up to the women. I mean, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.120 because the women have just been crushing it for years 0:13:57.120 --> 0:14:00.880 on the women's side, and I think success breeds so 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.760 when they see other people that are their age or 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.559 people that they practice with all the time. I mean 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.840 Mattie Keys and Sloan Stevens for example, who you know 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.200 come in the wake of Serena and Venus and all 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.920 the great champions prior to that. It's just really great 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.560 to see and Hailey Baptiste, like this is a player 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:20.240 that's been so talented her entire life, and every time 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.520 I've seen her play or practice, I'm like, God, if 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.720 she could just get a good coach and a good 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.960 worth ethic, she's so good and she's proven it here 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:29.520 this week. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.640 Fun fact her coach is Franklin Ta. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:36.560 Yeah, Francis brother twin brother. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:37.240 Love that. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.800 Another fun fact. My Hailey Baptiste facts are just coming out. 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.200 We interviewed her on stage at Charleston a couple of 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.400 years ago for a fun, happier or we were doing, 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.040 and I learned that she has a Sharpai and her 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:53.560 Sharpai dog is named Songa because it's got a wrinkly forehead. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.400 Isn't it so cute? If anybody has. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.640 Ever seen Joe Wilfrid's song plays, they know he's extremely 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.120 handsome and it's got a great her head wrinkle, as 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:02.640 does her Sharpay does. 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.000 The things that Caitlin comes up with just I. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:05.320 Don't know what. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.840 I'm not gonna like argue their technique. I'm here to 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.440 for fun facts for the stories. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.800 But no, I actually saw her at Charleston. I got 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.440 to sit down and talk with her, and you know, 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.240 she didn't go far in that tournament, but what I 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.040 loved about it was she stayed and I would watch 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.400 her practice every day I was of that tournament, and 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.640 it was so intense. They were wearing her down and 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.640 she would do these drills over and over and over again, 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:32.640 and I was just like, she's working hard for this 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:35.360 European clay season, Like I just saw it in her. 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:37.720 So to see her here get to the fourth round, 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:40.240 it's almost like, of course, like she's been working on 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.240 it since the clay season. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:42.360 So it's your point work ethic. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.160 I think, well, that's the thing. I mean, getting a 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.240 good coach, getting you know, getting someone that's going to 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.040 invest in her and her and herself. And that's the key, 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.640 right because she's always had the talent. You know, there's 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.240 not a shot that she can't play. The problem is, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.840 and I've always said this, when you when you were 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.480 a super talented tennis player, it takes a long time 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.000 to develop what kind of game you want to play. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.320 And the reason I say this because you have so 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.800 many choices, and I'm gonna put myself in that category. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.480 But I mean I did have a lot of choices. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.000 I was quite talented, but it was like it took 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:13.880 me till I was about my mid twenties to twenty 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.120 six twenty seven to actually figure out how to play 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.240 a point. Because I could slice, I could hit over it, 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.400 I could come to the net, I could serve and volley. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.120 I couldn't hit aforehand. But like all the things I knew, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.080 I had too many choices. So sometimes it takes discipline 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.960 in a match to go, oh, I don't need to 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.560 be flashy, which she is. I can just be disciplined. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.120 And that takes a lot of practice. And I'll say 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:38.880 it over and over and again. If you want your 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.320 kid to be good, or if you want to play 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.840 it to be good, they have to practice how you 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.240 want them to play. And if they're dicking around in 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.200 practice and they're not focused, and after twenty minutes, say 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.480 like lose it, they're going to lose their focus in 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:53.840 twenty minutes on a match. Quote as well so you 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.400 have to practice how you want to play. And so 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.520 to hear that about Haley is so the reason why 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:00.720 she's now doing extremely well on the tour and she's 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.560 gonna make a great living now because of it. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.280 Yeah, and that sort of thing really can kickstart. I mean, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.280 we forget that, like the beginnings of these Grand Slam tournaments, 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.679 the prize money from round to round is so profound. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:11.480