Speaker 1: Okay, great feeds.
Speaker 2: All right, okay, all right, Hi everybody, and welcome to
Speaker 2: the Renee Stubs Tennis Podcast. I'm here with Caitlin.
Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and I'm Anastasia. We're of Ground Pass Podcast.
Speaker 2: I just had to remind Anastasia to lift her my cup. Okay,
Speaker 2: So hi everybody. We are in live in Brooklyn. We
Speaker 2: have right behind us right now the Alcarez and Ben
Speaker 2: Shelton match. But forget about the guys, Let's talk about
Speaker 2: the women. I mean, how good has been the tennis today?
Speaker 2: From the women's matches, We've got so much to talk
Speaker 2: about in general terms. But what do you want to
Speaker 2: start with today, Caitlin and Anastasia, Well.
Speaker 3: Honest, Asia, I just want to say kudos to you.
Speaker 4: You've been in residence, yes here and mcceren pok If
Speaker 4: anybody in New York City know the wonderful mccarren Park
Speaker 4: tennis courts.
Speaker 3: I just came from there when I've played with my.
Speaker 4: Son, and they have this lovely park house in the middle.
Speaker 4: And you've been doing screenings every day for the last week.
Speaker 1: Yes, for the last week, we've been doing screenings of
Speaker 1: Roland Garros. I thought it'd be great. You know, there's
Speaker 1: sports bars, there's a football you can watch the baseball
Speaker 1: and bars, but there's nowhere where you can kind of
Speaker 1: screen the tennis. I thought, wouldn't it be great if
Speaker 1: I could help do that. And we're doing that for
Speaker 1: a few days. We just did this past week and
Speaker 1: we're doing it next week as well.
Speaker 3: If you're up at like seven, you're here at seven.
Speaker 1: Yes, they open at seven, so I'm here at seven.
Speaker 2: Well, and guess what, people, we're watching the French Open.
Speaker 2: So it's in Paris. Yeah, so it's six hours later.
Speaker 3: Which I love. Yeah, by the way, I love waking
Speaker 3: up to tennis, which I did this morning.
Speaker 4: And let's get into the ladies because the first thing
Speaker 4: I turned on was the s Fitzolina Jasmine Paolini match.
Speaker 4: I know you're I don't actually know how you feel
Speaker 4: about it being the Elena's Fiddelina fan you are, But
Speaker 4: Paulini is I think you've said many times your favorite.
Speaker 2: Pauline is my favorite player to watch. I've always loved her.
Speaker 2: I love her just dynamic posts and on the court.
Speaker 2: I love her personal I mean just in general off
Speaker 2: the court, she's just a light. But also the way
Speaker 2: she plays is really terrific. She doesn't have a lot
Speaker 2: of weaknesses. But what we saw today was why Elena
Speaker 2: Switzerlina is literally the best player to not win a
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, because she just doesn't quit. And you know,
Speaker 2: Paulini had her chances. She had three match points. I
Speaker 2: will say on the two match points that I thought
Speaker 2: she had. On Switzelina's serve in the second set, she
Speaker 2: served for the match of five to three, I think
Speaker 2: that's where she made the error. You gotta win the
Speaker 2: service game to win the match, but Switzerlina comes back.
Speaker 2: You know, there's two match points. I felt like on
Speaker 2: Switzelina's serve she didn't play aggressive enough Paulini, she was
Speaker 2: a little bit sort of like passive, and then when
Speaker 2: she tried to be aggressive, it was on the wrong
Speaker 2: shot and the back end up high way above her shoulders.
Speaker 2: And you know, as I've spoken, she's teeny daney, she's
Speaker 2: in me shoulder in the New Caitlyn, and so for her strength,
Speaker 2: for her to hit a back end down the line,
Speaker 2: we try and hit that shot for a winner was
Speaker 2: not the right thing to do. But then I thought
Speaker 2: the match point that she had in the tiebreak, she
Speaker 2: played an a and Switzerlina hit two balls that were
Speaker 2: like an inch from the sideline, and so you got
Speaker 2: to give credit to Switzerlana on that particular match point.
Speaker 2: And then she played more aggressive. She came in on
Speaker 2: that one back and hit the back and volley to
Speaker 2: go six all in the tiebreak. And then once the
Speaker 2: tie break was over, you could see that just the
Speaker 2: air just came out of Polini three love down immediately,
Speaker 2: and that it was kind of like a battle after that.
Speaker 2: But you know the reason why Switzerlina has done so
Speaker 2: well and won so many tournaments throughout her career is
Speaker 2: what we saw today is she gonna win the tournament.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough. She's got a lot of tough
Speaker 2: players ahead of her, but damn I would love to
Speaker 2: see her win a tournament one of these years at
Speaker 2: a Grand Slam.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, No.
Speaker 1: I hadn't watched Selena this whole tournament. This was my
Speaker 1: first match that I watched.
Speaker 2: You know, she just sort of.
Speaker 1: Quietly got to this round and it was a shape
Speaker 1: because I think Polly definitely had that match on her
Speaker 1: racket and she just couldn't close it out, and like
Speaker 1: you said, it's like once you're not serving for it,
Speaker 1: and you know she just she kind of shrunk a little.
Speaker 2: She doesn't need to shrink and she already small enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then five three servant for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tiebreak, Yeah, she had that one moment on
Speaker 4: match point and then Spindelina just played. But I do
Speaker 4: have a sort of renee and I have argued about
Speaker 4: Elena s Videlina a number of times, and I'm not
Speaker 4: going to be a jerk about it, but.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows we like to argue, but usually it's because
Speaker 2: I'm right and you're wrong to carry on.
Speaker 3: Why hasn't Elena Spitelina want her grandsame?
Speaker 2: Simple? She doesn't have a big weapon. And you could
Speaker 2: say the same thing about was Niyaki. You can say
Speaker 2: the same thing about Hallip, but you know Hallup, the
Speaker 2: people that they played in finals were similar to them.
Speaker 2: So it was a sort of a little bit more
Speaker 2: of a war of attrition with was Niyaki playing Hallop
Speaker 2: in the finals of these trying to open and uh
Speaker 2: Hallop beating Serena at Wimbledon was shocking.
Speaker 3: Nobody saw that especially, but if.
Speaker 2: You go back and watch that match, she was incredibly aggressive.
Speaker 4: She played so aggressively, she played on the top of
Speaker 4: her toes. She was returning from inside this. I remember
Speaker 4: it vividly because I thought, oh, now, this is going
Speaker 4: to be Serena's post baby tato now. And I think everyone,
Speaker 4: including the only person in the world who maybe didn't
Speaker 4: think that was andre Pekcovitch, who played her in that
Speaker 4: tournament and talked about it. Yeah, and Samona Halla herself,
Speaker 4: which you know, everyone else, including Serena that she was
Speaker 4: gonna war.
Speaker 2: But Serena didn't serve great in that final, and that's
Speaker 2: what killed her in that particular match, as well as
Speaker 2: Hallett playing exceptionally like its probably the best match I've
Speaker 2: ever seen her play for sure.
Speaker 4: Good getting back to spiddle in it. Because I'm usually
Speaker 4: accusing her correctly of being a pusher. I will say
Speaker 4: she did not push today.
Speaker 2: Well, because I tried to tell you she doesn't push.
Speaker 1: She doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 3: She's a different player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, there's a difference between pushing and not not
Speaker 2: having had a massive weapon and being a true counterpuncher.
Speaker 2: She is a counterpuncher because she moves well, but she's
Speaker 2: also ken at times go for it when she wants to.
Speaker 2: And when she won the WTA finals about four or
Speaker 2: five years ago, I was over there coaching Carolina pushkover
Speaker 2: and she hid everybody off the court. She was serving people.
Speaker 2: She has the ability, just like was Niyaki did when
Speaker 2: she won the Estra and Open and prior won the
Speaker 2: w t A finals also all of a sudden had
Speaker 2: power were serving people off the court. So they can
Speaker 2: do it. It's just that their default mechanism is to
Speaker 2: not go for it because they don't have the weapons.
Speaker 2: But they say, well, I don't. I don't want to
Speaker 2: make a mistake, so I'm not going to make a mistake.
Speaker 2: But against Switzerland, against the shan Tech, against the Saballenka,
Speaker 2: against the Rebakina, You're gonna go for it under pressure.
Speaker 4: So that leads me to the next question, which is
Speaker 4: the person I have been on the tennis court? I
Speaker 4: assume I'm hopefully not. But Anastasia you told me at
Speaker 4: the bagels over there, yeah, kindly donated for her live
Speaker 4: podcast that which, by.
Speaker 2: The way, might be the best of ever.
Speaker 3: Very delicious bagels.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Curley's Bagels, They're the best. Throw it out,
Speaker 4: yep I did learn from you at the bagel station
Speaker 4: that Yugoshiantek had in fact prevailed over Elena Rebeke, and I.
Speaker 3: Yes she had.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy because that first set was you know,
Speaker 1: Rebakna was serving, she keep up serving, and you know
Speaker 1: she had her chances there in the second, but she
Speaker 1: wasn't able to close it out. She didn't like, she
Speaker 1: wasn't aggressive, like, she didn't like cloth, you know, go
Speaker 1: through here's and she let her in the moment you
Speaker 1: let Eager in. I think that's it. You let her end.
Speaker 2: Certainly right now. I think the biggest turnaround was that
Speaker 2: Elena Rebarkna was serving unbelievable, as you said, returning unbelievable,
Speaker 2: but Eager was playing horribly on her own service games.
Speaker 2: And this has been the difference maker for me and
Speaker 2: will be the difference maker if she wants to win
Speaker 2: the tournament going forward. She has to serve better and
Speaker 2: she has to serve smarter. And I spoke to you
Speaker 2: about this a couple of weeks ago when she was
Speaker 2: playing Danielle Collins. You don't always have to hit a
Speaker 2: big serve on clay. What you have to do is
Speaker 2: get your opponent off the court. And Eager Seantek has
Speaker 2: one of the best kick serves, particularly on the second court.
Speaker 2: And why she's trying to hit a big first serve
Speaker 2: and then allow Rebekna to go after her second serve,
Speaker 2: which is always a kickserve, is so dumb because Rebarkina
Speaker 2: steps inside the baseline for her for the second serve.
Speaker 2: But if you're a smart player, you know this is
Speaker 2: what sam Stosa would do on Clay, for example, with
Speaker 2: that beautiful kicker that she had hit the kick serve
Speaker 2: as a first serve when your opponent is behind the
Speaker 2: base super smart, because when someone's behind the baseline, they
Speaker 2: can't be super aggressive.
Speaker 3: And they have to go sadeways and then they're in
Speaker 3: Siberia well.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that Rebarkina doesn't move that well.
Speaker 2: So now you've got her kicked off of the court
Speaker 2: with a first serve. She's going to hit a good return.
Speaker 2: Her backhand's her best shot, but it's going to go
Speaker 2: cross court more than likely. And then she goes bang
Speaker 2: with the back end down the line. She can't cover it,
Speaker 2: or if she tries to go down the line, that
Speaker 2: allows Eager to hit her fourhand off the court. So
Speaker 2: what happened in the second set was first of all,
Speaker 2: rebarkiing a missed the easiest folly to lose serve.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 4: Don't go to off, please please don't ask her about
Speaker 4: the valley technique of the WT. To her professional status
Speaker 4: here at God, I mean, if we may have an
Speaker 4: actual aneurysm in front of this crowd of Simbol people,
Speaker 4: I don't want to get her out of here on
Speaker 4: a stretch.
Speaker 2: Listen, if I had those groundstrokes would have been real good,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But but yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: rebekin a double folded the first point at two one
Speaker 2: a set and two to one, killing Eager at this
Speaker 2: point not missing a serve, double faults the first point,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, It's just like I
Speaker 2: talked about when Coco does that, it's like, Oh, your
Speaker 2: opponent goes, oh, you're not fallible on serf, you're double faulding.
Speaker 2: Ye okay, now I'm ahead in the game. Eager did
Speaker 2: a good job. She moved back behind the baseline, which
Speaker 2: she never does. So I don't know if Wim told
Speaker 2: her to do that, but maybe he finally had some
Speaker 2: coaching from the stands. That actually made sitting well. Long story,
Speaker 2: but like go back and get the serf back in
Speaker 2: the court because EGA is always going to win the
Speaker 2: rally most of the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just neutralized.
Speaker 2: But you're not gonna win a rally if you're not
Speaker 2: getting it. The point started and you're serving like shit.
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's what changed. What happened is
Speaker 2: it turned around and Eagle was get in a first
Speaker 2: serve in starting the point on a positive and Rebeckina
Speaker 2: wasn't serving off the court. And Lindsay Davenport said an
Speaker 2: interesting thing right at the end of the third set.
Speaker 2: She felt felt that Rabakiina was getting a little her
Speaker 2: fitness was starting to wane, and that's why she wasn't
Speaker 2: making his money for surf. So we won't know that.
Speaker 2: But this was a gut chick match, big time for
Speaker 2: eager to win.
Speaker 3: And she escaped the Ostapenko.
Speaker 4: Perilous, perilous, lurking cauldron of death is Helena Astapenco because
Speaker 4: Elena rob Backener took her out.
Speaker 2: Did you see when Shlakian has beating her the last
Speaker 2: two times on clay?
Speaker 4: I don't think no, no, no, I mean it's still not
Speaker 4: a great job because now even if he go beats
Speaker 4: Elena Fideleina, which I hope Elena's Fidelina, former reformed pusher,
Speaker 4: now aggressive according to you, I said what I said, Uh,
Speaker 4: now she's hitting through the court. Now she's hitting big.
Speaker 4: I hope she brings the whole arsenal. But then even
Speaker 4: if Hega gets through that, she's got sabal Anca and
Speaker 4: her half.
Speaker 3: Of the drib.
Speaker 5: It's brutal.
Speaker 2: It's brutal.
Speaker 3: It's brutal up there, brutal.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at the scores yet, but Sabalanka is
Speaker 1: on court right now with and it's Mova, so yeah,
Speaker 1: who knows where that's gonna go. But it's it's just
Speaker 1: one of those things. I was talking to Neck, my
Speaker 1: co host, yesterday, and I said, you know, Eager's warming
Speaker 1: up into the tournament and she's kind of finding her form.
Speaker 1: But there's something I think about this court, about Roland
Speaker 1: Garrison this tournament, she just seems unbeatable. Every time I think, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the match, this is the one. Like with Rebeccn,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is it. After that first set,
Speaker 1: she just she turns it around there's something in the
Speaker 1: air here. Well.
Speaker 2: I think I think also Rebecken, even though she won
Speaker 2: a tournament last week, doesn't have the same confidence that
Speaker 2: she had a couple of years ago. She's had her
Speaker 2: own woes and problems with her coaching situation, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But I just think this came down to the fact
Speaker 2: that IgA, as you said, is so comfortable on this
Speaker 2: court and hasn't lost in three years, I believe, on
Speaker 2: this court, so that makes such a difference that you
Speaker 2: don't panic as much as to do on other courts.
Speaker 2: But I just think the way that she went back,
Speaker 2: she chose to get the ball back in the court
Speaker 2: off the return, and she served smarter and it's a
Speaker 2: big so she wasn't acing her off the court, but
Speaker 2: she was getting in the point ahead on point on
Speaker 2: her own serve and then she used her skills on
Speaker 2: clay and that's what got the win. Now is that
Speaker 2: gonna give her a lot of confidence? I mean, I said,
Speaker 2: I think she's still gonna win the tournament because I
Speaker 2: think she's by far the best player on that court
Speaker 2: when she's playing at her best. But you know, she
Speaker 2: hasn't won a tournament since he last year, which is
Speaker 2: incredible to say. And I can tell you that when
Speaker 2: Faset's job is definitely on the line if she doesn't
Speaker 2: win this tournament. But you know what, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: It's gonna it's murderer's row in front of her still
Speaker 2: and Coco down the bottom half of the drawer is
Speaker 2: just you know, she's had a fairly easy draw. It's
Speaker 2: going to get a little bit more difficult now. But
Speaker 2: you have to think that she's by far the favor
Speaker 2: on the bottom half of the draw.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to call out there is the
Speaker 4: chance because it just happened on Clay that Chin Ween
Speaker 4: Jung comes through that top half and maybe meets Eager
Speaker 4: And I'm not like a big draw predictor like she
Speaker 4: has to play Sablanca or Anissamova before that. I think
Speaker 4: she probably plays Sabalanca. And I think she now thinks
Speaker 4: Sea Link has fell of the line clear because she is,
Speaker 4: but also because she beat her Unclay, and so for me,
Speaker 4: there is I just sort of actually just kind of
Speaker 4: underscores the point that it's like not an easy road
Speaker 4: kind of for.
Speaker 3: Anybody up on the tap of the draw.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's brutal.
Speaker 3: It's brutal.
Speaker 2: When we saw the draw immediately, I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, the top top half of the drawer is
Speaker 2: just so so so full of great players.
Speaker 4: And this is what happens if you don't win a
Speaker 4: tournament in a year, if you're Igoshfiantek, because this should
Speaker 4: be your number one seed tournament to go into and
Speaker 4: instead she's three or four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, outside, that's just why she played who she played today,
Speaker 2: but and who she's going to play in the next match.
Speaker 4: Should we just while we're talking about the women, because
Speaker 4: I know there's a lot to talk about on the man,
Speaker 4: should we talk about the fact that there's a bunch
Speaker 4: of American ladies, including Anistemova.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible, but it's been like that forever. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw my interview with Francis
Speaker 2: Tiaffo a couple of years ago, maybe it was last
Speaker 2: year at the US Open, and I said, well, it's
Speaker 2: about time you caught up to the women. I mean,
Speaker 2: because the women have just been crushing it for years
Speaker 2: on the women's side, and I think success breeds so
Speaker 2: when they see other people that are their age or
Speaker 2: people that they practice with all the time. I mean
Speaker 2: Mattie Keys and Sloan Stevens for example, who you know
Speaker 2: come in the wake of Serena and Venus and all
Speaker 2: the great champions prior to that. It's just really great
Speaker 2: to see and Hailey Baptiste, like this is a player
Speaker 2: that's been so talented her entire life, and every time
Speaker 2: I've seen her play or practice, I'm like, God, if
Speaker 2: she could just get a good coach and a good
Speaker 2: worth ethic, she's so good and she's proven it here
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 3: Fun fact her coach is Franklin Ta.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Francis brother twin brother.
Speaker 5: Love that.
Speaker 3: Another fun fact. My Hailey Baptiste facts are just coming out.
Speaker 4: We interviewed her on stage at Charleston a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago for a fun, happier or we were doing,
Speaker 4: and I learned that she has a Sharpai and her
Speaker 4: Sharpai dog is named Songa because it's got a wrinkly forehead.
Speaker 3: Isn't it so cute? If anybody has.
Speaker 4: Ever seen Joe Wilfrid's song plays, they know he's extremely
Speaker 4: handsome and it's got a great her head wrinkle, as
Speaker 4: does her Sharpay does.
Speaker 2: The things that Caitlin comes up with just I.
Speaker 1: Don't know what.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna like argue their technique. I'm here to
Speaker 3: for fun facts for the stories.
Speaker 1: But no, I actually saw her at Charleston. I got
Speaker 1: to sit down and talk with her, and you know,
Speaker 1: she didn't go far in that tournament, but what I
Speaker 1: loved about it was she stayed and I would watch
Speaker 1: her practice every day I was of that tournament, and
Speaker 1: it was so intense. They were wearing her down and
Speaker 1: she would do these drills over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, she's working hard for this
Speaker 1: European clay season, Like I just saw it in her.
Speaker 1: So to see her here get to the fourth round,
Speaker 1: it's almost like, of course, like she's been working on
Speaker 1: it since the clay season.
Speaker 3: So it's your point work ethic.
Speaker 2: I think, well, that's the thing. I mean, getting a
Speaker 2: good coach, getting you know, getting someone that's going to
Speaker 2: invest in her and her and herself. And that's the key,
Speaker 2: right because she's always had the talent. You know, there's
Speaker 2: not a shot that she can't play. The problem is,
Speaker 2: and I've always said this, when you when you were
Speaker 2: a super talented tennis player, it takes a long time
Speaker 2: to develop what kind of game you want to play.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say this because you have so
Speaker 2: many choices, and I'm gonna put myself in that category.
Speaker 2: But I mean I did have a lot of choices.
Speaker 2: I was quite talented, but it was like it took
Speaker 2: me till I was about my mid twenties to twenty
Speaker 2: six twenty seven to actually figure out how to play
Speaker 2: a point. Because I could slice, I could hit over it,
Speaker 2: I could come to the net, I could serve and volley.
Speaker 2: I couldn't hit aforehand. But like all the things I knew,
Speaker 2: I had too many choices. So sometimes it takes discipline
Speaker 2: in a match to go, oh, I don't need to
Speaker 2: be flashy, which she is. I can just be disciplined.
Speaker 2: And that takes a lot of practice. And I'll say
Speaker 2: it over and over and again. If you want your
Speaker 2: kid to be good, or if you want to play
Speaker 2: it to be good, they have to practice how you
Speaker 2: want them to play. And if they're dicking around in
Speaker 2: practice and they're not focused, and after twenty minutes, say
Speaker 2: like lose it, they're going to lose their focus in
Speaker 2: twenty minutes on a match. Quote as well so you
Speaker 2: have to practice how you want to play. And so
Speaker 2: to hear that about Haley is so the reason why
Speaker 2: she's now doing extremely well on the tour and she's
Speaker 2: gonna make a great living now because of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that sort of thing really can kickstart. I mean,
Speaker 4: we forget that, like the beginnings of these Grand Slam tournaments,
Speaker 4: the prize money from round to round is so profound.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you see somebody playing, you know, at a
Speaker 4: lower level tournament and they do well, that's great. They
Speaker 4: can make the same amount of money for winning a
Speaker 4: lower level tournament just from getting from one round to
Speaker 4: the next in this tournament. I mean, you know, that's
Speaker 4: why it bears repeating. You know, the players who get
Speaker 4: wild cards into these tournaments, oftentimes because of their governing body,
Speaker 4: like the French Federation obviously is going to give a
Speaker 4: whole bunch of French players a chance that gives them
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty f K minimum in their pocket,
Speaker 4: which will basically sustain them for.
Speaker 3: Another year on the tour.
Speaker 4: And so that's why those wild cards are so are
Speaker 4: so valuable. So yeah, Haley Baptists love to see it,
Speaker 4: you know. And yeah, she's joining Pagoula and Anissima and
Speaker 4: Maddy Keys and obviously Coco, and it's like it's really
Speaker 4: good and you know, yeah, maybe the men have finally
Speaker 4: taken a page.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just looking behind you because on now screen
Speaker 2: behind us is the first time three mins, I reckon,
Speaker 2: men have reached the fourth round of the French Open.
Speaker 2: Way to go, and the one that didn't make it
Speaker 2: was your guy Klayla.
Speaker 3: Clearly Fritz Klayla.
Speaker 2: Fritz Klayla's on the grass already, he's serving.
Speaker 4: I like him on the grass. I like him on
Speaker 4: the grass. I don't like him on the clay. Giving
Speaker 4: him a nickname was a little bit of wish for
Speaker 4: thinking maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe Tommy Paul looked great today.
Speaker 4: Tommy Paul really deserves to be on the dude, Yeah,
Speaker 4: he deserves he deserves the success.
Speaker 3: He's the furthest. He's got him the furthest look because
Speaker 3: now he's into the next round.
Speaker 2: He has not played well at the French of the years,
Speaker 2: even though he won the juniors at the French Open,
Speaker 2: which is crazy I just creak about, but nice to
Speaker 2: see him and he's battled in this tournament at least
Speaker 2: two right, two back to back and round and second round.
Speaker 2: So the fact that he's now cruising, it's like, now
Speaker 2: he's match fit big time. Now you know he can
Speaker 2: go five sets and not fall apart physically, and that
Speaker 2: is important going forward. It's almost like when you training
Speaker 2: for a marathon, you know, and you do six miles,
Speaker 2: and you do eight miles and your fourteen miles, and
Speaker 2: then all son you go to the marathon, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I can get there. It's almost like he's he's now
Speaker 2: marathon tested with his legs and he won fairly comfortably today,
Speaker 2: so that's now going, okay, now I feel good, So
Speaker 2: that's huge.
Speaker 3: I kind of think he's my favorite.
Speaker 4: American man as of now that Kayler is gone. No no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I mean listen, did you guys see his GQ photo
Speaker 4: spread where he's on the boat with the girlfriend and
Speaker 4: they're in Berbery and they're fishing. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, Tommy, Paul is going to tell me, Paul,
Speaker 4: that's fine.
Speaker 3: He's, you know, just a guy from the farm. He's
Speaker 3: cracking a brew.
Speaker 2: He guy is a great guy. By the way, I
Speaker 2: really like it, a great guy.
Speaker 4: I think he's my favorite American man to go deep
Speaker 4: into this tournament because of his game style, because as
Speaker 4: you say, of his fitness and finally maybe he's you
Speaker 4: know gotten. Listen, we're here watching Benny Shell's take on
Speaker 4: Carlito's Alcaaz.
Speaker 2: And Carlito's Achoraz just took a massive spill on the
Speaker 2: court and least did not look good getting up. I
Speaker 2: can tell you that he's limping. I think he may
Speaker 2: have gone over and his ankle. Actually, we're going to
Speaker 2: take a little look at it here as he's running.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he went over the front. He went over
Speaker 2: the front. It's not as bad.
Speaker 3: Still would have hurt. You don't like to see that.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's more embarrassing than anything else. Funny thing
Speaker 2: happened last PSG won the whatever the whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Someone's gonna yell at me for not knowing that you
Speaker 2: wave a cup. Maybe it's football, I don't care your
Speaker 2: Premier leagu Yeah whatever, there's so.
Speaker 3: Many, so many champions.
Speaker 4: We've got a we've got a new lovely englishman down
Speaker 4: from the crowd.
Speaker 5: Ye.
Speaker 2: So apparently there was a lot of partying, a lot
Speaker 2: of fireworks and a lot of horn honking going on
Speaker 2: to about four in the morning, so every player has
Speaker 2: barely slept last night. The commentators have been talking about.
Speaker 4: It was also funny because pH PSG Paris, their stadium
Speaker 4: is right across the street from Rolan Garas. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: that's the same part of town, and it's the same
Speaker 4: hotels presumably and all that.
Speaker 2: No, but they weren't playing there. They were playing in Munich.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's where they're going to be celebrated.
Speaker 2: The partying be.
Speaker 3: Time at the stadium.
Speaker 2: So I've been in cities where that has happened and
Speaker 2: it's brutal. I was in Madrid when Moral Madrid won
Speaker 2: the probably the same thing and it was just major
Speaker 2: party to like four in the morning. So sorry to
Speaker 2: everyone in Paris, but sucks suck it because we're here.
Speaker 2: Finally the sun's out here in New York, so that's nice.
Speaker 2: You guys wanted to talk a little bit about TNT
Speaker 2: and about the coverage. Oh yeah, Like I have to
Speaker 2: be a little bit careful because I work for ESPN,
Speaker 2: but I also would love a job with TNT next year.
Speaker 2: Just putting that out there.
Speaker 3: So maybe you can be in Paris this time next year.
Speaker 4: T Yeah, I wanted to talk about it, and actually,
Speaker 4: Benny Sheells gives us a good opportunity. Ben Shelton has
Speaker 4: spoken about how much he appreciates the fact that fans
Speaker 4: back home, and it probably also has a little something
Speaker 4: to do with the fact that there's at least of
Speaker 4: this as of this morning, eight Americans still in the tournament.
Speaker 4: But the US coverage, in the minds of many has
Speaker 4: been very good yes year, or a step up from
Speaker 4: the Tennis Channel, who was hosting this event this time
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have to agree with him because I
Speaker 1: didn't know what to expect. I watched a lot of
Speaker 1: tennis and a lot of different services, and I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to expect coming in with T and T
Speaker 1: and they had this.
Speaker 4: So you were a TV and film professional, So I
Speaker 4: actually think your critiques are quite on point and certainly
Speaker 4: more evolved than my own.
Speaker 1: I do this for a living, But I I didn't
Speaker 1: know what to expect from the rally. I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: I saw the personalities that they put together.
Speaker 4: And the rally is what they call the rally is
Speaker 4: like their more dust show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's their morning show. They go match to match,
Speaker 1: so they sort of go wherever the action is, And
Speaker 1: if you're a casual fan just turning on the TV
Speaker 1: and you don't know what you're watching, you can't tell
Speaker 1: Ben Shelton from Carlos Algarez. Really it was perfect and
Speaker 1: they there was a lot of explaining they were doing
Speaker 1: and this is who this player is, and that's what
Speaker 1: that means, and this is what this percentage means. And
Speaker 1: I just thought it was brilliant in a way I
Speaker 1: was not expecting.
Speaker 4: At all, Like it was very not necessarily in a
Speaker 4: bad way, but like very entry level friendly. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it's definitely presumably that's what's on T and T, which
Speaker 4: is the main channel now.
Speaker 2: Is that the one where they would talk over everything.
Speaker 2: It was funny because I think there's been I think
Speaker 2: there's been mixed reviews on that. I think some people
Speaker 2: are such tennis enthusiasts and so traditional watching tennis fans.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of stuff that I've read on the internet.
Speaker 2: A lot of people hated that. So it hands up
Speaker 2: for the rally people that here that have watched that.
Speaker 2: Did you like the commentary over you like the commentary
Speaker 2: over the the se We just had one person say
Speaker 2: yes and one person say no.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing.
Speaker 2: But that's but that's exactly what we're talking.
Speaker 1: About, right, And I think if you are a tennis fan,
Speaker 1: like if you're me, and you want to watch a
Speaker 1: specific match, when you want to watch it, how you
Speaker 1: want to watch it, I always say, go for streaming,
Speaker 1: get each bo max and pick make your own choice.
Speaker 2: I have Caitlin, especially in Spanish.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, right, hold for applause. I watched TV
Speaker 4: in Spanish.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: No, that was just Jenny closing her water bottle. That
Speaker 3: wasn't a plus. No, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: I only go to streaming. I don't watch the Desk
Speaker 4: Show unless I'm getting some added value commentary from the
Speaker 4: desk people, which you know on ESPN there are a few.
Speaker 3: That I like.
Speaker 4: I like Darren Cahill, I like Chris mccenrey. That's kind
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: But again that's my sitting here. Well, you're not on
Speaker 3: the desk. You're somebody calling matches.
Speaker 2: I'm on the desk.
Speaker 3: Fine.
Speaker 4: Renee Stubbs added to that number. But I feel like
Speaker 4: I've heard a lot of the same people. You know what,
Speaker 4: I haven't heard a lot of Sloan Stevens, who credit
Speaker 4: has been on the Tennis Channel and done TMSPAN stuff.
Speaker 4: But it's great that she's on Desk Venus Williams interviewing
Speaker 4: people for vignettes, like yeah, because you banks like I.
Speaker 3: Like Sam Querry. I think he's doing a great job.
Speaker 3: Like I do, think there's some new energy.
Speaker 4: I don't care about the Desk Show, so I don't
Speaker 4: watch that because to your point, I'm a tennis person,
Speaker 4: but I want people to feel like they have an
Speaker 4: entry in in and I think one time making, you know,
Speaker 4: having a commentariat that is filled with a lot of
Speaker 4: folks who haven't played or coached since the eighties, like
Speaker 4: kind of needs to be rethought at some of these
Speaker 4: other networks because I.
Speaker 3: Love what I'm seeing in that regard I chanting.
Speaker 1: And they definitely could, you know, bring more voices in
Speaker 1: and new people and fresh faces and things like that.
Speaker 1: But I think what they're doing for new fans and
Speaker 1: people just discovering it. That's the thing about TNT. You
Speaker 1: turn on your TV and it just happens to be
Speaker 1: there and you can you know, watch it and stumble
Speaker 1: on it, which we never really had before with Tennis
Speaker 1: Channel or with ESPN. ESPN a little bit you could
Speaker 1: kind of stumble on it. But I like this roundtable
Speaker 1: roving to different matches because I, as if I was
Speaker 1: a sort of casual viewer, I don't know what's the
Speaker 1: exciting match, and I don't know why it's exciting, and
Speaker 1: then they do the explaining for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean sometimes, you know, as somebody who's just
Speaker 2: behind the mic, I don't get to choose right what
Speaker 2: matches we want. And there are times where I have
Speaker 2: to say, you know, producer will pick a match and
Speaker 2: I'll be like, really that match, what about the women's
Speaker 2: match over here that's in a tiebreak and we're in
Speaker 2: the first game of a men's five setter. Nobody cares
Speaker 2: about that match at the moment, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: So like that sort of drives me crazy. That is
Speaker 2: a little bit skewed. No offense to the guys. Some
Speaker 2: guys are just like, yeah, but it's Alcarez versus somebody
Speaker 2: in the first game, and I'm like, yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: six all in the third over here with two women
Speaker 2: that are having an amazing match, and people want to
Speaker 2: see excitement. They don't necessarily, Yes, everybody wants to watch
Speaker 2: a star like a Novak or a sinner or whatever.
Speaker 2: But if it's one love in the first set of
Speaker 2: a men's five setter, it's not an important moment in
Speaker 2: the match. What's the important moment in match is over
Speaker 2: on Susan Longlan and it's six all in the third.
Speaker 2: So that's where that option is really great, because I go,
Speaker 2: let's go over there. I do like the fact that
Speaker 2: even looking at this match that Ben Shelton's playing with Alcarez,
Speaker 2: and Alcarez looks fine by the way Swan Stevens is
Speaker 2: on the court side position, so it's nice that they're
Speaker 2: mixing and ESPN are starting to do that. They put
Speaker 2: I've done a bunch of matches court side. I think
Speaker 2: it's great to have a different perspective. You don't always
Speaker 2: have to have women on men's women's matches and men
Speaker 2: on men's matches. It is nice to mix it up,
Speaker 2: and I think ESPN are starting to do that more
Speaker 2: and more, because I know for myself, I've done a
Speaker 2: couple of men's matches over the last couple of Grand Slams,
Speaker 2: so that's nice. It's a different perspective. You don't always
Speaker 2: have to have the same sex calling the same sex
Speaker 2: matches and so that's I like that. That's a nice
Speaker 2: thing to see. But I think TNT do need and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying because I'm not there, but I think
Speaker 2: they do need a couple more women. They've got like
Speaker 2: nineteen guys there and ten women.
Speaker 4: I can think of two brothers who I've heard enough
Speaker 4: of through the years. Just I said it, nobody else
Speaker 4: said it. I'm just I'm saying it, like, do we
Speaker 4: need these guys?
Speaker 3: Are more of these guys?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: That's enough.
Speaker 2: One thing I did see earlier, and I've already talked
Speaker 2: to you guys about it. There's a side angle, far
Speaker 2: away camera that they used today with Paoollini and Switzerlina.
Speaker 2: It was a set five four fifteen thirty to go
Speaker 2: down fifteen forty i e. Two match points for a
Speaker 2: Pallini and they had a far wide camera off to
Speaker 2: the side. You couldn't even see the ball.
Speaker 3: You're like, what was happening here?
Speaker 2: T ANDT love the coverage, but that camera angle god
Speaker 2: a god. Yeah, Yeah, don't ever applied that unless it's
Speaker 2: to show the grounds and the crowd.
Speaker 3: And everything sets or something.
Speaker 4: I think the reason I wanted to talk about commentating
Speaker 4: so much in the commentary and the coverage is because
Speaker 4: I'm sitting with literally two experts.
Speaker 3: You work in the TV and film industry.
Speaker 4: You have been a commentator for the last better part
Speaker 4: of two decades, and you're excellent at it universally thought,
Speaker 4: not just my own and I it really matters. And
Speaker 4: to me, the reason it really matters is because tennis
Speaker 4: is growing, and tennis is attracted a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: new fans, putting it someplace where nobody can find it,
Speaker 4: and talking to people like they've lived with it their
Speaker 4: whole lives and they know everything. Or you've got people
Speaker 4: who haven't you know, done the research for the prep
Speaker 4: to bring you into it, which is guilty of sometimes
Speaker 4: of the folks who just kind of takes take a
Speaker 4: faranta that people know and care about it seem to
Speaker 4: be on the way out. And I like that because
Speaker 4: it means that all the foks that I talk to
Speaker 4: who are maybe newer to the sport trying to get
Speaker 4: into it exactly what you said, need some guidances to
Speaker 4: actually this is the more interesting match, or let's go
Speaker 4: over here at this exciting part of this match.
Speaker 3: And even if you've never heard of these two.
Speaker 4: People, we're gonna explain why they're actually incredibly exciting to watch.
Speaker 4: And here's Elena's Fidelina, whose country, by the way, is
Speaker 4: like still getting bombed by Russia and she's had a
Speaker 4: lot to say about it and you've got a feel
Speaker 4: for her. And she's married to Gail mon Fist. And
Speaker 4: here's Jasmine Paulini, who's got the irrepressible personality, who made
Speaker 4: the final in this term of last year and was
Speaker 4: in the final Lowimbledon, Right, like that stuff matters, And
Speaker 4: of course they said it, but I think it bears
Speaker 4: repeating for people who are like, hey, if you haven't
Speaker 4: heard of these people, that's okay. This is why they're exciting,
Speaker 4: this is why you should care, and you're gonna go
Speaker 4: away having an even longer roster of faves.
Speaker 3: And to me, that I think is upon the.
Speaker 4: Tennis community to do better, to make the door a
Speaker 4: little bit more visibly open.
Speaker 3: So thank you for indulging me, because that was my
Speaker 3: idea to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And I ag I think this is their first year.
Speaker 1: I think, do they just sign a ten year ten years?
Speaker 2: So it's not my kid, by the way, it's not yours.
Speaker 3: Either no, nobody can hear that.
Speaker 1: No, but you know, this is their first year. I
Speaker 1: think they will learn a lot ye this, hopefully take
Speaker 1: the feedback and come back even better, but first try
Speaker 1: not bad.
Speaker 4: I would say, I really really also hope that every
Speaker 4: other broadcaster who has tennis rights gets the right lessons
Speaker 4: from this, which is like, hey, maybe we're actually doing
Speaker 4: better than this and we don't need to change, or
Speaker 4: maybe the tech, the streaming, the way that we can
Speaker 4: find multiple channels. Like I said, I like watching it
Speaker 4: in Spanish, especially if I don't like the people who
Speaker 4: are calling it in English, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: I have a different option. I used to be able
Speaker 4: to do that on ESPN Deportes and I miss it
Speaker 4: and I would like to have it back. And actually
Speaker 4: the guys who used to call it want Carlos Ferro
Speaker 4: and Pereira are now over on tant On Max. So
Speaker 4: I like the fact that there's optionality, and I hope
Speaker 4: people are taking this very seriously, and I suspect that
Speaker 4: they are.
Speaker 2: I mean, Espano we stream everything. I mean there's not
Speaker 2: a court that you can't watch basically at Wimbledon, US Open,
Speaker 2: Australian Open.
Speaker 1: I will see. The one thing about ESPN I love
Speaker 1: so especially in the early rounds. I like the multi view,
Speaker 1: like you watch that you have the four boxes on ESPN.
Speaker 1: You can pick your matches on ten tup N.
Speaker 6: Mhm h m hmmm.
Speaker 1: So listener Max they have on there, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's the same thing and two different.
Speaker 2: Ste Some people were complaining that there was no commentary
Speaker 2: at all on some of the outside courts that they
Speaker 2: were streaming, which frankly by me, but also at the
Speaker 2: same time, if you have good commentary, that does add
Speaker 2: to a tennis match, because it's it's good to be
Speaker 2: able to teach somebody what they're seeing and what they
Speaker 2: should look out for, etc.
Speaker 5: Etc.
Speaker 2: Like today I would have I would have said earlier
Speaker 2: in the Sriantech rebarking a match, if she doesn't well,
Speaker 2: I tweeted it, so if you follow me on Twitter
Speaker 2: you see that stuff. But I did say, if she
Speaker 2: doesn't start getting her first serve in the court whatever,
Speaker 2: that's first survey is, she will get crushed today. And
Speaker 2: that's what changed immediately. So if someone's sitting at home,
Speaker 2: they can go, oh, I'm gonna keep I'm going to
Speaker 2: watch for that, Yeah, I'm going to watch to see
Speaker 2: if she's getting a first serve and if she misses,
Speaker 2: you go, oh, see she missed her first serve. That's
Speaker 2: why she lost that point again because she's getting behind
Speaker 2: and the point immediately. So it's good to teach people
Speaker 2: like that at home because if you're not an exer's
Speaker 2: like me watching basketball. I mean, I love watching basketball
Speaker 2: and I'm into it, but there are certain things. When
Speaker 2: they run a play, I'm like, what was that? Like, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's a ghost screen. I'm like, what the hell does
Speaker 2: that mean? You know what I mean? But then someone
Speaker 2: teaches it to me and go, oh, now I can
Speaker 2: look out for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's what's important about really good commentary and people
Speaker 2: that are good at it, but teaching you those things.
Speaker 2: And I mean I enjoy watching when Lindsay's commentary because
Speaker 2: she's pretty thoughtful with her commentary. Not a lot of words,
Speaker 2: just the perfect amount of balance for me. So should
Speaker 2: we talk about the guys or do we want to
Speaker 2: just forget about them because the women were so good
Speaker 2: today that's true. Or while we're on the women, should
Speaker 2: we talk about the fact that Angebur's little monologue the
Speaker 2: other Day has gotten a lot of attention based on
Speaker 2: the fact that Emily Moresmo, who's the tonment director the
Speaker 2: Australia of the shouldn't be a strain open. That's Craig
Speaker 2: Tail and he does a very good job of equality.
Speaker 2: But she has not put a women's match on at night. Now,
Speaker 2: the whole complaint is, well, the women's is best of three,
Speaker 2: it could be an hour. The people aren't getting what
Speaker 2: they want. Well, then put two matches on at night
Speaker 2: and started at five, like, it's not brain surgery here.
Speaker 2: And the fact that you have not played one women's match,
Speaker 2: and we've had great women's matches, great women's names playing
Speaker 2: against each other early on in the tournament. It's just
Speaker 2: it's shocking to me that she doesn't understand how bad
Speaker 2: that looks.
Speaker 3: I think she do.
Speaker 4: You want to back up and give some context here
Speaker 4: for the un initiator who have not followed this.
Speaker 1: So it's basically what's going on is I think now
Speaker 1: it's been this is the third year running there has
Speaker 1: been no women's match in the night sessions.
Speaker 2: They've really had like two in three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there is so there's only one. There is
Speaker 1: a night session on Philip Chatrier and there's only one
Speaker 1: match that the PM that they put on, and it's
Speaker 1: been men for the last two and a half years.
Speaker 4: And Emily Moresmo, a Grand Slam champion from France, has
Speaker 4: been the tournament director for the last couple of years.
Speaker 4: A woman who's a woman and a gay lady, which
Speaker 4: I only bring up because she should know something about
Speaker 4: feeling marginalized. Because of two of those attributes, she has
Speaker 4: been the face of the decision making. It may not
Speaker 4: be her decision, no, it is her decision. Maybe in
Speaker 4: the end, is Tommy hass making all the decisions in
Speaker 4: Indian wells or is it it's a South African dude
Speaker 4: who they never actually go listen.
Speaker 2: Emily Moresmo is the one that makes the final decision.
Speaker 2: She gets input but from TV, no question. She gets
Speaker 2: input from the WTA and the ATP, no question. But
Speaker 2: in the end she's the one that says, you.
Speaker 4: Know, I think there's some French guy in a suit
Speaker 4: being like, oh sucker blue.
Speaker 2: Well then she went in. Then she should quit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, I'm just like that.
Speaker 2: She should quit. She said, I don't have any control.
Speaker 2: This is not my fault. These guys are making decisions.
Speaker 2: I'm the one that's the face of the decision. I'm
Speaker 2: the one that's getting screwed over in public. Fuck it,
Speaker 2: I'm out of here unless she agrees. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: She's a green.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the.
Speaker 3: Thought here really is.
Speaker 4: Is because it's sort of been the points she's made
Speaker 4: a couple of times, and when asked about it, some
Speaker 4: of the players have been exceptionally eloquent and thoughtful and poetical,
Speaker 4: which anstubbur released to your point a eight paragraph let
Speaker 4: up letter create a cur uh called arms about how
Speaker 4: exceptional these women. You know, if they win, oh and oh,
Speaker 4: it's not the lifetime of uh, you know, practice and
Speaker 4: skill that they've developed.
Speaker 3: It's that the match was too easy.
Speaker 4: If they win in a tough match, it's that nobody
Speaker 4: wants to close that out in their week, not the
Speaker 4: fact that they're battling with every fiber there being paraphrasing,
Speaker 4: you know, uh Cocoa Goff, who is one of our
Speaker 4: sport's finest uh and most I think possiful yeah, uh
Speaker 4: and and understands history, has also been you know, really
Speaker 4: forthcoming about it. Other players, you know, the uh two
Speaker 4: very storied Grand Slam champions Egoshmantek and Arena Sablanca were
Speaker 4: both like, and I don't really like playing a night.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ega doesn't like playing a night because it's heavier
Speaker 2: conditions and she likes the fasta conditions. It's just like
Speaker 2: Rafa would have begged to not play at night.
Speaker 4: Sure, so she is thought up in a conflagration of no.
Speaker 2: There's some players that go in and say, I do
Speaker 2: not want to play at night. I'm a three time
Speaker 2: defending champion, and you will play me in the day,
Speaker 2: and they go, Okay.
Speaker 3: I'm neither.
Speaker 4: I'm neither criticizing nor defending Ego on that or Arena,
Speaker 4: who said the same thing, I also would not want
Speaker 4: to play at night. That said, for the point, the
Speaker 4: point I think that we're discussing here, which is what
Speaker 4: Amaloe Moresmo is not doing, is the optics of having
Speaker 4: very few in the last couple of years women sort
Speaker 4: of taking that equal mantle of the prime time at night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean the bodoza Osaka match should have
Speaker 2: been at night. Yeah, that was a great match to
Speaker 2: have at night. Two very well known players you would
Speaker 2: argue that it was probably going to be a pretty
Speaker 2: competitive match. Both were playing.
Speaker 3: Well, and it was and they did and.
Speaker 2: Look what happened. Now you could argue, well, sinner one
Speaker 2: the other day, six love six one sixty two. Now
Speaker 2: if that had been at night, it would have still
Speaker 2: been really boring. So it's like, you don't know if
Speaker 2: a match is going to.
Speaker 1: Be greater on Okay, I hear all the arguments and
Speaker 1: I see what's going on, and it's very it's not fair,
Speaker 1: it's not equal. The women are not getting cleaned to
Speaker 1: plant Nate. And with all the things that issues with
Speaker 1: schedule and players and everything, do you not think or
Speaker 1: shouldn't the players be more vocal about wanting this change
Speaker 1: to happen, to almost force the change to happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean they, yeah, the one person, but they
Speaker 2: have through the years. I think there's some players that
Speaker 2: have through these. But in the end, you just like,
Speaker 2: that's where you as a player going. This is not
Speaker 2: my responsibility. This is the WTA's responsibility. To fight the
Speaker 2: fight more. This is for Porscha and for the WTA,
Speaker 2: not p l CEO. Yeah, to go in and fight,
Speaker 2: fight the fight a little bit more and her be
Speaker 2: more vocal. And she's been fantastic in a lot of things,
Speaker 2: but I think that that's where she needs to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more vocal.
Speaker 4: I also I want to credit the journalists on the ground,
Speaker 4: which usually I'm quick to get critique. Matthew Fetterman from
Speaker 4: The Athletic, who's a fine journalist, was the one who
Speaker 4: sort of forced issue and he called Amalia Moresmo to
Speaker 4: task for it with the stats, and she was nowhere
Speaker 4: to be found.
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, my sort.
Speaker 4: Of solution oriented brain goes to like, well, everyone should
Speaker 4: play three sets in the first week, everyone should play
Speaker 4: five sets in the second week. Then you have no
Speaker 4: argument either way, and you just it's a grab bag
Speaker 4: of which are the biggest marquee matchups and you take
Speaker 4: a rotation one and one.
Speaker 3: That's what the US Open does. And I can see the.
Speaker 4: Argument of why a very fast early round women's match
Speaker 4: versus a very fast early round men's match, at least
Speaker 4: you get one more set of the ladder. And so
Speaker 4: I think until those inequalities in the actual structure of
Speaker 4: the game and slams persist, you're gonna be able to
Speaker 4: hide behind this argument whether or not it's true, whether
Speaker 4: or not it's actually valuable, et cetera. So for me,
Speaker 4: I would like actually them to just finally, finally embrace that.
Speaker 4: And I think again with the reason I'm trying to
Speaker 4: tie these themes of new fanship and new voices and
Speaker 4: new people interested in tennis is they're coming into this
Speaker 4: not understanding why these rules exist, and a lot of
Speaker 4: cases it's stupid.
Speaker 2: Can we talk about the roof for all?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 4: Yes, Actually my roof rulers are really good.
Speaker 2: Because I'm so been getting abused, like you cannot imagine
Speaker 2: from certain fans. That will remain nameless at this point
Speaker 2: because the other day there was rain that was happening.
Speaker 2: It was one of the first days of the tournament.
Speaker 2: I think it might have been Monday, Monday or Tuesday,
Speaker 2: and there was rain and it was incredibly windy. It
Speaker 2: was the terrible conditions, conditions no tennis player wants to
Speaker 2: play in, by the way, but we play and wind
Speaker 2: I've played in eighty mile an hour winds. It's terrible
Speaker 2: until it becomes dangerous. You keep playing, and on clay,
Speaker 2: if it's sprinkling with rain or it's drizzling, you keep playing.
Speaker 2: It can be raining, sometimes literally, and they're likey, you
Speaker 2: gotta keep playing until it gets unsafe, until there's literally
Speaker 2: puddles start happening on the court, or both players are like,
Speaker 2: I can't see anymore. You keep playing, yeah, And so
Speaker 2: the other day a certain player asked for the roof
Speaker 2: to be closed because it was and it was terrible conditions. Now,
Speaker 2: if I was playing on that court, I would have
Speaker 2: also asked the same question. I would have said to
Speaker 2: the umpire, are you going to close the roof? Like,
Speaker 2: why are we closing the roof? I would have asked
Speaker 2: the same question. His opponent also said a game later,
Speaker 2: are we closing the roof? The referee came out and said,
Speaker 2: which is the right thing to do, Just like in Australia,
Speaker 2: we have a roof available, we have three roofs available.
Speaker 2: If it's too hot, you don't close the roof until
Speaker 2: the outside courts have stopped and we need matches to
Speaker 2: be played for television and for the fans. So in
Speaker 2: this case in Paris, they didn't close the roof because
Speaker 2: no other roof closed I e. Susan Longlan and every
Speaker 2: match on the outside court was still being played. So
Speaker 2: it's guess what. The rain is the same on Startrier
Speaker 2: as it is on an outside court and on Langlan.
Speaker 2: So the referee actually did the right thing by saying no, no, no.
Speaker 2: And then eventually two or three games later they closed
Speaker 2: the roof on Shatrier and I was like, this is
Speaker 2: so incredibly unfair to all those schleppers out there on
Speaker 2: the outside courts and the players on Langlan that didn't
Speaker 2: have the roof closed. That is a rule that should
Speaker 2: not that roof should not have closed.
Speaker 4: Talk about why that might or might not be advantaged
Speaker 4: to certain players, which is why it's unfair.
Speaker 2: Certain players don't love wind?
Speaker 3: Does any player like?
Speaker 2: Nobody loves wind? And frankly both of the players on
Speaker 2: Chatrier were also like, let's close the roof. This is
Speaker 2: not about the player. Every single player that would have
Speaker 2: been on Sha Trier and probably on Langlan asked to
Speaker 2: have that roof close.
Speaker 3: Reading between the lands, it seems like some certain player
Speaker 3: and some certain players fans got.
Speaker 2: Real vocal, your real vocal, and then they am I
Speaker 2: correct something from two years ago that I didn't even
Speaker 2: say on our podcast wasn't me and ripped me in
Speaker 2: a certain countries paper and getting death threats literally from fans.
Speaker 3: Can you guess what fanship this makes?
Speaker 1: So I know exactly the one.
Speaker 2: It's go, go go, No, don't say that. It definitely
Speaker 2: was not Coco. Coco would never do that.
Speaker 3: Cuarantine Moute's got a bunch of frenchmen. But this is
Speaker 3: what this is. After an a and they're gonna kill him.
Speaker 2: No, no, But it's actually a serious situation because these
Speaker 2: people did write it in a paper and attributed me
Speaker 2: to words that were not said by me, by me,
Speaker 2: and and you know, attributed to me, and then people
Speaker 2: come after me on Instagram and on Twitter and all
Speaker 2: the social media's and they're being fed. I never thought
Speaker 2: i'd say this fake news, you know, by this so
Speaker 2: called journalist. And it all started because I made a
Speaker 2: reference to the roof should not have been closed because
Speaker 2: it wasn't closed on any other court and every court
Speaker 2: outside was still playing. And it's it has to be
Speaker 2: fair for everybody, no matter how famous you are, no
Speaker 2: matter how important you are, it's that's just not fair
Speaker 2: to do that. And they did that, and I was
Speaker 2: like shocked. And that's on the referee again. That's Emily
Speaker 2: Moresmo is saying, yep, close the roof.
Speaker 5: That's on her.
Speaker 2: One of us, tily makes that rule at the train
Speaker 2: open close the roof, and the referee they make it together,
Speaker 2: and so she made that rule. And so for me,
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's such bullshit.
Speaker 1: You know, It's something I've always thought about, especially at
Speaker 1: Grand Slams. This is when it really does come up.
Speaker 4: Because almost no other tournaments unless it's indoors have so
Speaker 4: it becomes a political item in these contexts exactly.
Speaker 1: And there is that, in my opinion, sometimes unfair advantage
Speaker 1: that top tennis players and.
Speaker 2: They and they do and they deserve it, because that's
Speaker 2: not the same.
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely not the same. And I totally take
Speaker 1: your point because again, like you said, no other roof
Speaker 1: was closed. People are out there in the wind, in
Speaker 1: the element playing and.
Speaker 2: Then people say, oh, but the crowd. I was in
Speaker 2: the crowd that Dayana was awful conditions and it was windy,
Speaker 2: it was raining on me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there was crowds outside watching the outside groop.
Speaker 1: There are ground passers on the ground watching.
Speaker 2: There's the longland that didn't have the roof closes that
Speaker 2: wanted it close.
Speaker 3: Do you guys want to know my controversial take on this.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh no, no roofs.
Speaker 2: Caitlin, and that is the dumbest thing you've said of
Speaker 2: silly things on our podcast. That might be the dumbest.
Speaker 3: Tennis is meant to be an outdoor sport.
Speaker 2: When are paying hundreds of millions of dollars for television
Speaker 2: rights and you want us to play a replay of
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy eight beyond board John McEnroe's tie break again, which.
Speaker 3: We used to do constantly Aaron Christian in this country
Speaker 3: is everyone Jimmy reference because it used to play it
Speaker 3: during regulations. I just don't think tennis should have roofs.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: I think in our current climate and the way it changes.
Speaker 2: I wish you could see me shaking my head.
Speaker 4: For the record, everyone I'm looking at is also shaking
Speaker 4: their head.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. They're paying two thousand dollars for
Speaker 2: receive at the US Open and they're like, gotta.
Speaker 1: Go home, roof And not only that.
Speaker 3: Does separates the real fans from then.
Speaker 2: The US Open and the USTA and Wimbledon and all
Speaker 2: of the others don't need to give back their money
Speaker 2: to all the fans that didn't get any tennis.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not saying tennis won't have rooms.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I don't think of Jed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're not going to solve the Haick Fan
Speaker 4: austrain Open shouldn't be there. So you know, I think
Speaker 4: they can have a very nice tournament exactly, just I'm
Speaker 4: not sure it should be a Grand Slam.
Speaker 3: You don't have Australian's death threats yet.
Speaker 2: No, but that's because we're nice. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: keep pushing us.
Speaker 3: Keep pushing us, keep pushing me.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we actually haven't talked about the man in
Speaker 4: the last ten minutes.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some dudes.
Speaker 1: The Americans are doing great.
Speaker 3: Americans are doing great. We talked about that Shelton's leading.
Speaker 2: It actually Shelton's up a mini break in the tie
Speaker 2: break in the first set here. So this is listen.
Speaker 2: Someone asked me a couple of years ago, who what
Speaker 2: was the one American that I thought could win a Slam?
Speaker 2: And there's no doubt that you said this one. Yes. Why,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. He has weapons, He has the Hotspur,
Speaker 2: he actually believes in himself, He has one of the
Speaker 2: best serves we're ever going to see in tennis, and
Speaker 2: he has a major, major forehand. So when you have
Speaker 2: weapons and he's fit, he can stay out there all
Speaker 2: day and he he's he believes in himself. He's hockey
Speaker 2: in a good way and we're seeing it today. If
Speaker 2: he's able to win this match against Alcarez, I god,
Speaker 2: I would not want to play him on clay. His
Speaker 2: ball is so heavy on his forehand. He's back and
Speaker 2: still a bit la, but he can slice, he can
Speaker 2: get away with it. And he's starting to play a
Speaker 2: little bit more. He said he watched a lot of
Speaker 2: Rougher on clay and as a lefty, he's starting to
Speaker 2: try and implement some of the same patterns and we're
Speaker 2: seeing that. And my god, if he can get this
Speaker 2: win today, look out all right.
Speaker 3: I stand corrected. That sounds like corras On. I mean
Speaker 3: to me, Tommy's made Sakaraz's game plan.
Speaker 2: Francis has made semis Yep. Yeah, but again I don't
Speaker 2: they just don't have the weapons to beat a Sinner
Speaker 2: or an Alcarez in best of five. Yeah, Ben has
Speaker 2: the weapons to beat anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. That's a good point.
Speaker 4: And I like the fact that as you said he's
Speaker 4: been studying up if he beats Alca, I mean I
Speaker 4: kind of thought that would be well into the third
Speaker 4: set by now with this match, like kind of getting blinked.
Speaker 2: Carlos loses the first said, he's nine of ten in
Speaker 2: best of five. That is not a good stat for him.
Speaker 2: And he is overwhelming favorite when he wins the first set,
Speaker 2: So this is a rather large set fame.
Speaker 4: The main thing I want Ben Shelton to improve is
Speaker 4: his clothing.
Speaker 1: Well, there's that, there's that the ombre, the ombre.
Speaker 3: I don't mind the ombre.
Speaker 4: I think the hot trash bag material and the yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's just there's like a brand for clowns.
Speaker 2: Oh. We realized that Janick Sinner looks like super Mario
Speaker 2: Luigi Luigi Luigi's Yeah, and I love that. Darren Kayala
Speaker 2: is the one that keeps putting it out there on
Speaker 2: on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Former coach. Let's talk about center where I haven't current coach?
Speaker 6: Is he?
Speaker 3: But I think he has another doesn't?
Speaker 2: No, he's current coaching?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: What uh is Sinner's drama?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: What's he playing?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: I haven't watched a single match?
Speaker 2: Well, he lost three games the other day. The guy's
Speaker 2: playing so.
Speaker 3: Well, So it's it's it's been gone fast. That's why
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's the Pope bump, you know, the
Speaker 1: Pope bump. Yeah, he met the Pope and then that
Speaker 1: was it. He's the blessed the pee beat.
Speaker 2: He's been pee beat.
Speaker 4: He's the only bump that the Pope's had.
Speaker 3: Keep keep it moving. What else?
Speaker 5: What are the men?
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2: I don't have the schedule up because so much.
Speaker 1: How do you think he's he's going through I mean
Speaker 1: it seems like he's warming up naicely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it hasn't been pushed, which has been
Speaker 2: really good for him because physically, that's where he's been
Speaker 2: struggling at slams in the quarters and Semi's gotten injured
Speaker 2: a couple of times over the last couple You look
Speaker 2: at the strain and open what happened to him there
Speaker 2: He's playing some of the best tennis of his career,
Speaker 2: beat al Karez, and then he got injured against Zverev,
Speaker 2: and then you know, we saw what happened there. Zverev's
Speaker 2: comfortably moving through the tournament as well. Novak's moving through
Speaker 2: the tournament pretty well. But this is when the rubber
Speaker 2: starts meeting the road now with these types of players.
Speaker 2: We saw it today on the women's side. We've seen it,
Speaker 2: you know, we're seeing it today on the men's side.
Speaker 2: And Ben shot just fell on his ass in the
Speaker 2: tiebreak and I'm not sure, and then Carlos made the volley. Wow,
Speaker 2: that was a massive point.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 1: So what I have been seeing out of the corner
Speaker 1: of my eye is Shelton is still bambion Ice. He
Speaker 1: is still he's Oh that was yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh he made that volley by the seed of his
Speaker 2: pants and oh there and Ben ended up on his
Speaker 2: seat of his pants.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: This is a hugely pivotal couple of points here for
Speaker 2: two of the nicest guys.
Speaker 3: Should we just wait and watch now?
Speaker 2: We can see it, we can see it. Who is
Speaker 2: your favorite at the I mean, Carlos is the favorite
Speaker 2: to win the French Open. But I'll tell you what,
Speaker 2: this is some serious pressure now on Carlos five four
Speaker 2: in the tie break. Should I just do some commentary
Speaker 2: for you, like I'm working for TT.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, let's hear it. Let's hear it.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you like this angle.
Speaker 1: I do not like.
Speaker 2: This angle at all. I feel like I'm going to
Speaker 2: be sick. This is the angle I prefer. Don't worry
Speaker 2: guys it was a first serve or just panic they
Speaker 2: thought he'd just double folded. I love the fact that
Speaker 2: Ben is standing back that far. This is where he's
Speaker 2: kind of implementing a little bit of the Rafael Nadal tactics.
Speaker 2: And that was a perfect example. Right, So instead of
Speaker 2: trying to go in and attack the ball like he's known,
Speaker 2: Ben to go in and really go for the returns,
Speaker 2: which is what makes him very dangerous in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways. But in this occasion it's like he's like,
Speaker 2: I know that my forehand is as big as yours,
Speaker 2: and I know I can hit it as well as anyone.
Speaker 2: I'm going to run back on the return and I'm
Speaker 2: going to hit a forehand and I'm going to make
Speaker 2: you find my backhand. And this is impressive from Ben
Speaker 2: to try and look for things like Rafael Nadal. You
Speaker 2: want a couple of matches on this court?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like this view before the point starts. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: Now it comes down to big Ben's serve. Where does
Speaker 2: he go.
Speaker 3: Set point number two kick.
Speaker 2: Kick body serve. I know it's not a bad serve
Speaker 2: because it's so big and it comes at you at
Speaker 2: this awkward way.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: I also love this. Ben's father, who's his coach, is
Speaker 1: wearing the earpiece and they're talking to him during the match.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that one.
Speaker 2: After thee Yeah, I think he goes big tea. He
Speaker 2: went to the body, but he must just saying sorry
Speaker 2: to tell you this, it doesn't count if it doesn't
Speaker 2: go in. Ooh, what a serve.
Speaker 4: This is the way to oh man.
Speaker 2: I'd see. That's where Carlos. He found the back end, right,
Speaker 2: he found the back end, and that's and that's sort
Speaker 2: of the key, and that that could be the most
Speaker 2: pivotal point in the entire match. Anyway, I think if
Speaker 2: Carlos wins this match, he still wins the tournament. I
Speaker 2: think he's the favorite. Yanick is obviously playing very well,
Speaker 2: and I think Yanick will have learned so much over
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks about playing matches again. He
Speaker 2: was out for three months, as we all know, the
Speaker 2: stupidest thing I've ever heard in my whole life, but
Speaker 2: him being back, getting all these matches under his belt
Speaker 2: and best of five sets. I think that he's going
Speaker 2: to be very hard to beat as well. But the
Speaker 2: way it is right now that they're both going to
Speaker 2: beat in the final if they keep playing, if Carlos
Speaker 2: wins this match, and I think that's deservedly what the
Speaker 2: final should be. But we'll see.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is Novak's last friendship? And I
Speaker 3: watched him for the last night. He looked amazing, but
Speaker 3: as you said, the rubber has yet really to hit
Speaker 3: the red.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I think that this is probably his
Speaker 2: last year. I just can't see him grinding through losing
Speaker 2: in early.
Speaker 5: I mean, if he.
Speaker 2: Wins here, for example, wins Wimblan, maybe, but I just
Speaker 2: think the only thing that's even remotely getting him up
Speaker 2: to go and practice and work out and all the
Speaker 2: stuff is winning twenty five Grand Slams. And so if
Speaker 2: he wins his twenty fifth Grand Slam this year, I
Speaker 2: just can't imagine him getting up to want to do
Speaker 2: it over and over and be away from his kids
Speaker 2: who are getting older. And yes, that's why not because
Speaker 2: I don't think he can win more. I just think
Speaker 2: it's at some point it just becomes really hard to
Speaker 2: keep putting yourself through hell, which is what playing tennis
Speaker 2: professionally is in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: All right, set point number three, second serve.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, look for the forehand and see Carlos is
Speaker 2: just trying to keep it on his back end because
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to deal with that forehand. It's so big.
Speaker 2: Oh he's coming in. Oh a volley. Gosh, that was
Speaker 2: a good volley. That was a goody.
Speaker 3: And I like the dad is you know, dad's giving well.
Speaker 2: Ben's dad was a servant volleyer, so he knows that
Speaker 2: that was a good volley. That was actually good vite,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You can't help but sort
Speaker 2: of react like that when you know how difficult this
Speaker 2: show was, because it was he hit it, he hit
Speaker 2: it hard, and he got it below the net beautiful,
Speaker 2: and he was able to put a little backspin on
Speaker 2: it like they're just to keep it low.
Speaker 6: That was.
Speaker 2: That was money. That was great. Okay, all right, we're
Speaker 2: coming down to the end here, and this is just
Speaker 2: the first set. This is where you're going to see
Speaker 2: if Carlos keeps his See now he's in a bit
Speaker 2: of trouble because now it's fourhanded back end and see
Speaker 2: Carlos is like, Oh, I'm gonna test you. Oh, that's
Speaker 2: a big error. It's a big er. Someone's excited about
Speaker 2: Carlos in the crowd. I mean, I will say he's
Speaker 2: one of the greatest guys you could ever meet in
Speaker 2: your whole life. Like, there's never a time where he's
Speaker 2: in a bad mood. There's never a time where he
Speaker 2: doesn't say hello to you. It's never a time where
Speaker 2: he doesn't say hello to everyone around him. And I've
Speaker 2: told the story where I'd interviewed him at Wembledon a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago and he thanked every single person
Speaker 2: that was on my crew, the sound, the lighting, though,
Speaker 2: camera guys, the people that were the runners. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: did he do something with you guys yesterday? And they go, no,
Speaker 2: I've never met him, And I'm like, my god, he's
Speaker 2: just that nice to every single person. Oh, it's been corrected.
Speaker 2: It's in what do you think about the no electronic
Speaker 2: line column? I think it's dumb. We should just have
Speaker 2: the electronic Oh cadear, nooney. Oh today he came out
Speaker 2: of the chair and it almost cost Eager the match. Yes,
Speaker 2: and it almost costs a rebarking of the match in
Speaker 2: a lot of ways because.
Speaker 5: We got it.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, this tie break is coming down. But it
Speaker 2: was interesting. So I don't know if you saw the match.
Speaker 2: I don't think you did because a huge cater Nuoni.
Speaker 2: So this was one of the most incredible. And I'm
Speaker 2: hard on umpires because there me over a couple of times.
Speaker 2: But Kadean NOONI there was a it was four all
Speaker 2: in the third set, I believe, and Rebarkina hit a
Speaker 2: double fault and it was called double fault by the commentators.
Speaker 2: Chiantech started walking in the chair, Rebarkina started walking to
Speaker 2: the chair, so it was a break to go five four,
Speaker 2: and Kadeer Noony gets out of the chair and runs
Speaker 2: over and goes, no, no, no, no. The serve was
Speaker 2: in at fifteen forty and so then they replayed the
Speaker 2: point and Rebarkina came back and won the game to
Speaker 2: go up five to four, and it was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, An Eager goes, I didn't ask for you
Speaker 2: to get out of the chair. He's like, that's not
Speaker 2: my role. My role is not for you to tell
Speaker 2: me that.
Speaker 1: Was okay here there.
Speaker 4: This is sort of my bench Shelton critique actually kind
Speaker 4: of in a nutshell. Really yeah, he has incredibly big shots,
Speaker 4: he's incredibly athletic, he's fun, I love his self belief.
Speaker 4: And then he jumps back into the net or a
Speaker 4: fourhand eighteen feet.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'm pretty sure he changed his mind on that.
Speaker 2: I think he wanted to go back inside out, but
Speaker 2: then he would know that Carlos En could get it
Speaker 2: easier to his backhand, right. So these are all the
Speaker 2: little mental things that you have to calculate in your
Speaker 2: brain in a millisecond, and he probably thought, if I
Speaker 2: go there, he's going to get to my back end easier.
Speaker 2: So he tried to go inside in, get it to
Speaker 2: the back end, and then Carlos would more likely go
Speaker 2: cross court and then the rally. So that's sort of
Speaker 2: like what happens there. And look, he's just back and
Speaker 2: back and back in, back and back in. He's like,
Speaker 2: if you can beat me with that shot, too good.
Speaker 2: Now let's see straight away back to the back end,
Speaker 2: and then he crushes that one. Nice. That right there
Speaker 2: is why Carlos carraz is so good. Right. And one
Speaker 2: of the critiques I will have on Carlos, and I
Speaker 2: have said this through the years, is that he is
Speaker 2: immature with his shot selection. Yeah, and sometimes maybe a
Speaker 2: year or two ago, he would have tried to go
Speaker 2: a little bit more to the forehand and sort of
Speaker 2: push that envelope a little bit and be like, come on,
Speaker 2: come on. And now he's like, you know what, I
Speaker 2: don't need to deal with that side. Be smart, play
Speaker 2: there and I will win. And that's a little bit
Speaker 2: more of the discipline that he's now possessing as a
Speaker 2: more mature guy. Yeah, and that it would just make
Speaker 2: him a better player. This is over now, all right.
Speaker 4: Well, first of Carlos, so I heard you imagine this
Speaker 4: match goes any other way than Carlos is any other
Speaker 4: last thoughts as we wrap this up.
Speaker 1: Now, I just want to say, by the way, that
Speaker 1: was like a really great lesson. I don't know. If
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I could watch every match like this,
Speaker 1: you could just explain, Oh, he's going to the backhand.
Speaker 1: Oh that's why he's going to the backhand. I would
Speaker 1: have just been watching. You know. I always say I'm
Speaker 1: the biggest casual fan because you know, I'm learning about
Speaker 1: the game as I'm watching it. I don't go into
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty. I'm there for the storylines for the
Speaker 1: most part, But just watching that there with you, I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, makes sense, it makes sense. That's why
Speaker 1: he's doing that. That's what he's trying to do, is
Speaker 1: trying to break it down.
Speaker 4: And I was like, which is also why it's important
Speaker 4: to have excellent play by play commentators.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah and it matters.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, T and T give me a call. I'm available.
Speaker 2: I'm in Brooklyn right now, but I'm available. In said
Speaker 2: I will go into a Liberty game at three o'clock
Speaker 2: this afternoon because you know I'm here. But anyway, all right, well,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us today.
Speaker 5: Everyone.
Speaker 4: This was really thank you for having Statia and she's
Speaker 4: you're gonna be here. We're putting this podcast out tomorrow,
Speaker 4: but you're gonna be here through the end.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna be through here here the whole time.
Speaker 1: The only time when not sure of yet is the
Speaker 1: Men's Final.
Speaker 3: We'll find a place to watch it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. B