WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 10. The Shakedown 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.760 Previously on Death and Deceit in Alliance. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:04.920 I know you have no idea who I am, but 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.160 I have some interesting things that we've learned about Givan's 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:09.160 murder through the years. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:12.360 I know that someone as close as you you had 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:13.840 to have had a million thoughts. 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.520 Run through your head and wondering who could have done. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:15.840 This to her? 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:16.720 Who was there? 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.640 Who could possibly know something? 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.959 They're an officer that lived near here, in one of 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:22.759 these houses close. 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:24.440 I don't want to get into all that. I mean, 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:26.239 like I said, this is the end of this conversation. 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.080 I know you've got family and law enforcement right, Yes. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.720 Mister Jenkins is a captain there. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:31.880 Well, hey, I gotta go. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.120 You guys have a great day. Every time we'd reference police, 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:36.040 that would shut. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.000 It down, I'm talking shit. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:38.480 I'm done. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.480 Came by one time threatened to split my throat. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.159 I've met the killer and I know where he is, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.280 and I suspect he's still killing. And yes he's a cop. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.560 This is Death and Deceit and Alliance, a real time 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:03.920 investigation into whether David Thorn killed Yvonne Lane. I'm Maggie Freeling. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.240 When I first learned about David Thorne's conviction, I'd really 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.040 only heard surface details about the woman at the heart 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:25.760 of the story. I knew Yvonne Lane had five kids. 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.120 I knew she was pretty and fun, but I didn't 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.800 know a lot about her life. David spoke of her 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.080 in glowing. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.559 Terms anytime I was with her. She was always great 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.360 with the kids, and the house was always clean. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.920 They were always pad But as I dug deeper, my 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:46.120 understanding of this twenty six year old woman started to evolve. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.240 She was complicated, of course we all are, but Yvonne 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.040 was more than most. She adored her children, yet by 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:58.080 their own accounts, she was sometimes abusive. She allegedly sold 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.480 sex for money, and yet, from what I can gather, 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.280 also wanted to be a good Jehovah's witness in the 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.200 eyes of her religious parents. Confused, I circled back to 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.600 David a few months into my investigation. He agreed, and 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:15.840 he added, yeah, he hadn't told the full truth about 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:19.120 Yvonne when I first asked, because he didn't want to 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.120 quote besmirch her. It's tricky to talk about someone when 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.440 they're dead. Nothing Yvonne did could have justified her death, 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.160 and I want to be clear again. Exploring her activity 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.760 is not victim blaming their facts about a high risk 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:40.200 lifestyle an important part in trying to figure out who 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.960 was responsible for her murder if not David, and so 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.360 David says he didn't talk much about the qualities in 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:53.120 her that people might negatively judge. But to understand a murder, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:58.239 you have to understand the victim. Police know this, of course. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.840 That's why one of the first questions they try to 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.160 answer in a homicide is is there anyone who would 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:07.480 want the person dead? Most homicides are at the hands 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.080 of someone the victim knows, so it's an obvious starting point. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:16.400 And as I mentioned, this vicious crime didn't seem like 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:22.960 the work of a hit man. It seemed personal, rageful, messy. Yet, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.800 according to the case file in Yvonne's murder, investigators in 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.840 the case didn't bother interviewing a lot of the people 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:34.079 closest to her. There's no records of interviews with her 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:38.200 sisters or her father. We only know of her mother, Tanya, 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.800 speaking to the police, as well as a young woman who, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.880 as far as Tanya knew, was Yvonne's closest friend. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.760 Reading your parents impact your name was given us as 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.720 Yvonne one of Yvon's bestranger. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:05.000 You've had any information we might get the states, Well, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:06.400 whatever you keep post. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:10.440 This is an interview with a twenty nine year old 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.480 woman named Liz, conducted by detectives Samson and Mucklow on 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.039 April second, nineteen ninety nine. It's one of the few 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.360 interviews on File with people in Yvonne's life. According to Liz, 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.200 Yvonne was a lot more complicated than she apparently seemed. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.120 Yvonne met Liz through church. Liz was a member of 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.960 the same Jehovah's Witness Church as Yvonne's family. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:39.640 Her dad Jaron ad to if I started Bible study 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.880 with her to help for try to get her life 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.200 on track with you know, try and straighten her life 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.599 out and really hard Shoin and from Eric going up 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:54.160 to jail and having portrait and she really needs an 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:58.479 en porridgement in health and with Melan a tent straight 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:00.480 down photo and well. 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.200 They Liz said, she met Yvaughn in nineteen ninety seven. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.520 So we studied for eight months and she really would 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.560 for Gredden and you want to children, and during that 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.000 time when she would confide and I'd go there on 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.960 Wednesday night, Edith walk and you know we talked about 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:18.719 hour and then week. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.320 Fetty, Liz said. Yvaughn mostly talked about her relationship with Eric. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.479 Eric even joined their study session. A few times. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:31.680 She would be to me that she wanted to marry her, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.039 and she told him the only the only way that 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.279 she would marry him is that she wanted the fain 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.960 thing as her. He wanted him straighten up. But during 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:46.479 that time she wanted him to study the Bible also, 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.120 and during that time she wanted to quick flop and 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.440 you know, went free with him and was really trying 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.080 to do, you know, what was right, and she would 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:58.640 want him to do what was right too. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.760 Liz told a simil her account of Yvonne and Eric's 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:05.400 relationship to those we'd heard before. She was really into him, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.920 but he was troubled and that trouble spilled into the relationship. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.919 But then you know, she can't be in the parts 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:14.960 before and I don't know if you know about that. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.400 And he's very violent with her hand, very violent champing. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.400 This matches, But investigative reporter Duayne Pullman had told us 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.599 that Eric was angry and rageful. We've tried to reach 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.680 out to Eric multiple times through different means, and so 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.760 far have had no luck. So the only information we 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.400 have about Eric and Yvonne is what others have said. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.840 Liz also said Yvonne told her stories that reveal a 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.640 lot about Yvonne's personality. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.440 And she'd tell me any story. I could not believe the 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.280 fed happened to her, Like one time she had come 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.880 any art film, she's putting it stack away and I 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:55.039 towards the evening and she said, she told me that 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:00.320 a tall man putting an antique jewelry into pocket. And 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.560 so she went out of the court and said, you know, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.760 couldn't go, don't get out of here. Well did she 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:06.839 believe he said that? And said, aren't you afraid of 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.200 getting hurt? You know? She said, if you don't, let 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:14.120 somebody know that, but you're not afraid of them, and 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:15.960 to contect them, she said, then we'll come back in 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:17.880 the middle of the night to fill whatever else you have. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.000 A jolia, I find her number five, but she fetched you. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.720 Then the man from down the street from for and 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.119 she knew been doing the drug dealing. 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.640 This isn't the first time we've heard that Yvonne was fearless, 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:30.440 maybe to a fault. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.920 I remember her trying saying last Pheer said somebody she 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.120 heard somebody robbed the door and stole a part a 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.440 cigarette and loft it at her door, and you know, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.480 and I'm like, why why did somebody do? That's like, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.800 I don't know. And I met you sitting stories and 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.520 unders that thought that she didn't fabricate the things that 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:54.720 had story. But then you know, I don't know that 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.000 just being odd for but you know, I guess your 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.920 association through and around. I guess she said, coming fact 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:04.200 like that all the time, Oh Bob, know, you know, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.400 being afraid grand darents coming in and jolly no night 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.600 and being fat. It to me that both shocking, and. 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:14.040 I thought this tidbit was interesting, Liz wondering why these 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.760 things could happen to Yvonne, and then she said, well, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:21.520 I guess it's her associations. Although Liz never admits to 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.160 knowing specifics, it seems like she sent the kind of 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:30.120 crowd Yvonne ran with, wasn't studying the Bible on weekends. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.880 And of course you want being a spear with that 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.080 she want. I mean, she was doing little tiny personally, 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:37.079 but boy, she feared nothing, you know, and she's like, hey, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:37.760 okay whatever. 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:41.440 Despite Yvonne's mother saying she thought Liz and Yvonne were close, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.040 Liz said her friendship with Yvonne was pretty short lived. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.199 After studying, they mostly lost touch. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:52.480 The path with eight months. I really don't know any 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.960 personal information. I know it's what happened last year in Night, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.160 Night made the Stormy. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.840 After eight months of Bible study together, Liz saw Yvonne 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.760 here and there, but they didn't really catch up. Liz 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:09.160 didn't know much about Yvonne's personal life besides Eric. Detectives 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.719 asked her about David, and she didn't know much. 0:09:13.200 --> 0:09:18.040 You don't know, no, I don't know who's good. Like 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.800 I said, it hadn't chable boy. You know, if that 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.199 dad hadn't really talked to her fall, you. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.320 Know, very. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.480 Would expressed any kindac staring about it, it might have 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:37.000 been different. 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:40.920 Like said, she didn't frank any sorry, and she seemed 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:46.480 happy you fitting an addressed to the memorial. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.960 So Liz lost touch with Yvonne, which makes it interesting 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.800 to me that Yvonne's mother named Liz as her daughter's 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.320 best friend, clearly even though her mother still saw Yvonne 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.920 all the time she was raising Yvon's first child. She 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.280 didn't know much about what was going on with her. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.199 Danny John and I wanted to see if we could 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:15.320 find out what Yvonne's life was like during those final months, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.079 so we found another friend to him. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.440 I don't associate with him. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:20.839 I don't approve the things he does. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:26.320 Yeah, hello, it's Danny. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:34.960 Are you Pam? Pam, I'm Danny John. I'll grab a chair. 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:40.000 You sit down in the comfy chair. No, no, go ahead. 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.560 One of the first things we did in Alliance was 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:45.320 to track down a woman named Pam, who had come 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.600 up in police interviews as someone Yvonne was close with. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.040 She's also done media interviews about Yvonne. However, it's important 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.839 to note that they did have a falling out about 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:00.440 a year before Yvonne's death. Yvonne quote beat the crap 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.840 out of Pam for stealing her purse. Pam said she 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.960 was on drugs and it wasn't a proud moment for her. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.800 And yet it appears that even though others mentioned Pam 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.320 to the cops as well as the falling out, the 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.559 police never interviewed her either as a suspect in Yvonne's 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.000 murder or as one of her closest friends. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.720 Oh, I'm sorry I have to talk about. 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.959 Yeah, I get a sure on my boat. I used 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:31.000 to admire how she. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.920 Did her on her Pam said she used to live 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.760 next to Yvonne's parents and knew yvon since she was 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.079 a kid. Pam would have been a couple of decades 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.800 older in her forties when Yvonne was murdered. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.000 She's like my little daughter. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.520 So what how long have you known her? 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:48.800 I'm to get over there. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:55.200 And so you're talking about next to where she grew up, 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.040 that her parents show had daughter. Okay, so you had 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.679 known her since if you knew her in the seventies, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.600 she was born in seventy two, so I knew well. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.280 I knew her long way at Pam seemed to know 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:11.600 a lot of things about Yvonne that Yvonne maybe would 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:16.360 have been uncomfortable telling. Liz, a strict Jehovah's witness, Yvonne 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.680 revealed that all was not easy at home, and it 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.760 wasn't just conflicts about the church. She talked to Pam 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.959 about some behavior that made her uncomfortable and even made 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.880 her want to stay away Allegedly, it was a complicated 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:35.720 household to say the least. John and Danny asked Pam 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.720 if she was aware of Yvonne's soliciting money for sex. 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:43.080 Pam said she only heard after the fact, but there 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.119 was some information. Pam did say she knew. 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.880 But I never known Yvonne do what she did. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.880 What I heard would about life, but I know she 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.800 had trouble with cops and she would. 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:58.440 Day in a cop. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.559 This was the first time we'd heard from someone that 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.679 Yvonne had specifically told them she was seeing a cop. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:07.840 You were dating a cop or she didn't tell me 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:13.160 who it was and I didn't want to know, So. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:14.280 You never knew which cop she was. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.120 So she was dating one willingly, yes, and you don't. 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.239 Remember who that was. She didn't tell me, Oh, okay, okay, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.280 she didn't tell me. 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.280 But Pam did seem to know about something else you 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.280 were wondering, and she probably tried to. 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:35.680 Black the daddy. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.200 Was that something that you could see her doing, like 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.760 blackmailing to get a little money. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:43.199 Or something. 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:45.640 To keep it quiet? 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:51.360 Yeah, or who's the baby dad would have been? They 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:52.360 wanted to keep it quiet. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.840 Allegedly, Yvonne had a habit of telling guys she was 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.880 pregnant and getting money from them. I asked David about this, 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.319 Did she ever tell you about shaking people down? 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.040 I knew that that's kind of something that she did before. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.480 I knew that she would tell people that she was 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.000 pregnant and then asked for money for an abortion. That's 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.480 how she would send money to Eric when he was 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.240 in the joint, because she was in and out and 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:23.840 so often. 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.560 And the shakedown scenario isn't just from David and Pam. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.240 It also came from the mouth of one of the 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:35.720 detectives on Yvonne's case. According to investigative journalist Duyne Pullman. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.320 As a detective who handled the case, I was kind 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:39.840 of surprised. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:40.680 He even mad. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.200 Dweene met with Detective John Leech at a restaurant during 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:48.080 his investigation. According to Dwayne, this is what happened when 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.400 they sat down. So you're at a restaurant and he 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.000 just says this to you, Yeah, in a sit down. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.160 I don't know what the hell we were I didn't. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.600 I don't even think I ate. I was like, this 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:06.200 is really weird. Without any context, just blurts out that some. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.800 Or had gotten a hold of his wife. I don't 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:11.480 use that term. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:14.680 He did gotten a hold of his wife, tried to 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.160 shake it, to try to blackmail him, shake him down, 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:26.800 And I said, who else could that be? Because Yvonne 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.960 had done that? According to people I had talked to before. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.000 We haven't talked much about Detective John Leach, but Detective 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.240 Leach was at the murder scene with detectives Mucklow and 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.640 Samson and was with them when they conducted some key interviews, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.960 including the one that led to Joe Wilkes's confession. And 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.440 if you've been wondering who the cop was that George 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.360 Hale said he identified leaving Yvonne's house the morning of 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.560 her murder. George said he identified a cop who looked 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.800 just like Leech in the line up he was given. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:06.560 And because of this, Detective Leech was always interesting to Duyne. 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.840 You know, I'm not saying that Leech had anything to 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.120 do with this. I want you to be clear on that. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:20.760 I am landing on probably not, but you know, it 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:27.800 did kind of project a motive for covering up things 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.800 and trying to make it go away. That's what I 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:31.880 just took away. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:32.520 From all that. 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:37.240 Yes, I had speculated earlier in the season that based 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.200 on the amount of corruption in the Alliance Police Department, 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.800 it was possible the cops had a reason to cover 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.560 up Yvonne's murder. But now is there even more motive 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.920 to make it go away? Besides a potential drug connection 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.040 to the cops and allegedly sleeping with the victim? Was 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:59.720 Yvonne shaking someone down? Was it a cop? Did that 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.760 kill her? Did another cover it up for his buddy 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:07.480 in blue? Maybe it was drug related, like Jeremy said. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.600 I asked David about all of this, Like he mentioned, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.480 he said he knew about the shakedowns while they were dating, 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.679 but there was a lot about Yvonne, he said, he 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.959 didn't learn until after she died. So did you know 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:23.960 about Yvonne dancing? 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.840 She told me that she had danced before. 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:33.000 Yeah, and then I guess she was going to two 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.440 little clubs or something like that, kind of on the side, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.480 after her and I had already broken up. It's like 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:42.520 three phases that I know of her life, you know 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:42.960 what I mean? 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.720 Is that like shocking to you? Are you? 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:45.960 Like? 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.560 I mean, maybe now you've processed it, but was this like? 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:50.879 Who the hell was this person? 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:51.560 I was dating. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.439 Then David told me something we had never heard before. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.280 At the time, she told me that she was going 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:05.040 to a convention. 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.800 And then later that's whenever I found out that that 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.040 was she was like a high end call girl. 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.480 David said she'd asked him to drive her to the 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:18.320 train station to go to neighboring states Indianna, Illinois, West 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.359 Virginia to work at conventions. What did you think she 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:28.080 was doing when she was going to the conventions? 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.199 She said something that she got an office job and 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.240 she was going to a convention for something. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.080 I don't I don't recall what it was. 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.159 To be honest, it was only half paying attention to 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.320 what it was that she was even talking about for 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.600 a job. Even whenever she picked up a job, she 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:50.440 never stayed anywhere for very long because something always come up. 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:50.800 With the kid. 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:59.359 Yeah, because whatever she was telling everybody, it had to 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.159 be some variation and it couldn't be the same. So 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.919 I don't know how she kept her life and a. 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:10.359 Look for real, Again, I'm not shaming Yvonne. It's incredible. 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.600 I have to keep saying that because even just talking 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:17.399 about sex work makes people think someone is shaming. But 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.960 why is it assumed to be shameful. We don't know 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.280 that it was for Yvonne, but for our purposes, it's 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.320 important to note that if she was a dancer or 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:31.879 an escort or a sex worker, that is notoriously dangerous work, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.880 and that is because of the stigmas around it that 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:39.840 these folks often don't feel comfortable reporting. So the more 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.920 we investigate, the more people we find saying these rumors 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:48.080 were true. That broadens the suspect pool, which becomes even 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:53.280 larger if Yvonne was traveling to other states. Things are 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:57.160 starting to get messier than we expected. So we decided 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.560 to talk to another person who may know what was 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.320 going on in Yvonne's life. 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.160 Yeah, so has has anybody talked to you about Yvonne 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:17.280 in the last few years? 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.000 Order sister of Linda was doing. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.200 This is Vi, Eric's uncle. Linda is Eric's mom. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:29.760 So your sister is okay, So you knew Yvonne pretty 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.760 well then, yeah, pretty decent. 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:37.879 Yeah, she seems like a complicated person. She was in 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:39.879 a lifestyle that apparently. 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:45.320 Was you know, I used to different kind of women. 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.320 My mom was real sweet. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.320 Sisters and stuff. I wasn't used to that, Like a 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.719 little bit of deevs. Dark side people. She was up 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.560 ryde and I tried to be there at poor because 0:20:58.600 --> 0:21:03.679 she was my nephew's girl on aging and he had 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:04.960 some dark sides too. 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:09.760 He also said she was often on pills, like Jeremy 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.840 had mentioned, and I only bring that up again not 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.760 to shame anyone's use or addictions, but to note the 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.960 potential drug connection and Yvonne's state of mind. And speaking 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:25.200 of her state of mind, we asked Vic about something 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:26.359 else we had heard. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.800 She had come to you saying she had pissed off 0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:33.160 the wrong person at around that saying went to your 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.359 mom's house looking for you is what it was. 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.639 Told us because she was in some kind of trouble 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.520 and she was wanting your help and said that she 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.160 had fucked with the wrong person. 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.760 She never got to me, and told me that Yvonne 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:50.160 supposedly sought Vic out for help, but Vic says Yvonne 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.560 never found him. However, this story does fit into what 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.040 we heard from Jeremy that she was frantic just a 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.680 few days before she was murdered. So did she kiss 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:04.560 someone off and if so. 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:06.200 Who. 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:12.399 So? 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.159 One other thing that we hear, and you know, we 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.160 have no idea this is true or not, but that 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:23.000 she was, you know, involved with some number of police officers, 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.159 a couple, you know, two, three, four, whatever it was, 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:29.920 and that she would shake them down essentially like maybe 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:34.160 they were married and then she would shake them down, 0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:39.440 said I'm want to tell your wife or something. Yeah, 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.560 you wouldn't put it past her at that time. Yeah, okay, okay. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:50.199 Did you hear much that she was involved with a 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.040 lot of men for money. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:58.119 That I didn't? You know, I couldn't really confirm that, 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:02.360 but I different times I drive through a line, sir, 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:07.119 and I'd see her. She got a little station waging car, 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.760 and I's he her pulled over a lot of different times, 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.159 like normal times talking to the police. 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.680 M Okay, were they pulling her over or was she 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.760 willingly just pulling over and talking to them? 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:24.040 Friends do you have? 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:27.399 Do you know any of those cops names that she 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:28.280 was friends with? 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:33.280