1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm Hanna Elliott and this is Hot Proceiver. Matt am 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: I saying shorts. 4 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: Saw me wearing shorts. I don't want anyone to see that. 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: This is the first time. I mean, it was just 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: just a glimpse, just a glimpse, but I feel like 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: I caught a flash of some shorts, short pantaloons. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: It's super appropriate for work. Obviously. I'm even wearing flip cloves, 9 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: which I would know. 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: Please know, I don't need to see that. That's going 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: too far. That's an HR violation. 12 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 2: Finally, do you know that I have I don't wear 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: shorts much in public because I have a huge skin 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: graft on my leg. 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Is that from your motorcycle accident? 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: I did not know that. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: When I got it. I got hit by a truck 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: basically that crossed over the double yellow line and it 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: hit me not head on, but almost just to the side, 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: and so my left leg was crushed between the the 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: truck and which ironically was a dodge, and my motorcycle, 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: and that caused so much swelling that they had to 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 2: open up my leg in a few places. In what's 25 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: called a fasciotomy, and I had to leave it like 26 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: open and swollen for a month in the hospital before 27 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: they closed it. And when they did close it, they 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: didn't have enough skin, so they had to take a 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: big patch of skin basically from my upper thigh and 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: close it on. So now I have basically what it 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 2: looked like a split top loaf of bread on my calf. Whoa, 32 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking about getting it tattooed into a shark. 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it sounds like a pertile 34 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: brown for some ink. 35 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: It would be perfect, but I'm I think it would 36 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: hurt a lot. 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: It definitely like that would definitely are definitely Wow. That 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: seems extensive. I had no idea, no wonder, no wonder. 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: You're always in pants at the office. I knew it 40 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: was suspicious. Yes, so you're in Italy. You've been there 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: for a minute. Sounds like I'm in Italy. 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: It's been it's obviously, it's amazing. We're in the countryside 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: outside of Sienna and Tuscany. And but I rented I 44 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: think I'm not sure if I rented the right car 45 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: for the whole situation. I desperately wanted to get a 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: big van. And I was talking to a lady at 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Hurts and I was like, you know, for me, a 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: van screams like family vacation. And when my parents took 49 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: us for the first time to Europe, they rented a 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: big white you know, like Mercedes Sprinter or I don't 51 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 2: know what for France that it could have been. And 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: it was like a almost like a school bus van. 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: It wasn't fancy, and we had a great time in it. 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: So I want to do the same thing, but the 55 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 2: Hurts lady talked. 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: Me out of it into what. 57 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: Well, So since she talked me out of it, I 58 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: looked and I saw I looked at sixth because there 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: wasn't anything. 60 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Yes, I've used six yeah. 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: And I love they have like really nice cars. 62 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 63 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: So I saw that they had Audi a six Avant 64 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: that was fully electric, and I thought, let me try 65 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: this because it has four hundred like massive amount of range, 66 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: four hundred and twenty miles of range. And I love, 67 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: you know, a wagon and the A six you know looks, 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: you know, it looks like you're doing well if you're. 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Driving six and what we want. 70 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, you know. And so but I went to pick 71 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: it up and they said, here's your BMW I five 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's not the same thing. I mean, 73 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: it's the forty. So it wasn't even the if it 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: was the fifty or the sixty, maybe, but it had 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: far less range and you know. 76 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: So this was a bit of a bait and switch exactly. 77 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: So then they said, how about an IX because the 78 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: Audi A six isn't toy charged. Sure, so I have 79 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: enjoyed the I X in the past. It just doesn't 80 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: have the same kind of rugged vacation feeling. 81 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't have a gravitas I remember, Yeah. 82 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 2: It to me, the I X, it seems like it 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: was a concept car that they were like, all right, 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: let's just release it as well. 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're already at this far down the road. 86 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: I think I remember the same thing, and I know 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: I reviewed it. It was like it was good, but 88 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's just like something's missing. 89 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. I mean, the doors are so light, 90 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 2: and I get that the whole thing is a carbon 91 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: fiber monocoque shell and so it's technologically advanced, and that's 92 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: great for an electric car you want to light, but 93 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: when you close it, it feels like a toy, or it 94 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: feel like they weren't finished, you know. 95 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. Well, how 96 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: has the range been for you while you're driving around Italy? 97 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: The range has been really good. It started at five 98 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one kilometers and we got here about 99 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 2: three hundred kilometers away, and I was only three thirty down. 100 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: So now it's just two hundred. 101 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: Obviously I drive like a bat out of hell, but. 102 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: I would hope nothing less. Where are you charging it? 103 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: That's the way. 104 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: That's a problem. So now we've gotten to this remote 105 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: villa in Tuscany. 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Which is the point of going to Tuscany. You go, 107 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: you want a remote. 108 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: Villa exactly, and there's no place to charge it here. 109 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: So when we go into town. We're going to go 110 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: into town tonight to watch this this mini Paleo so 111 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: little horse race or the beginning of the ceremonies for it. 112 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: And I'm going to hope to find an electric charger 113 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: while we're in town that I can a use to 114 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: charge the car. But also in Europe, the charger parking 115 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: spots are kind of a cheat code. Since nobody else 116 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: has an electric car, nobody can park there, so that's 117 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: the only trace that's open. 118 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 1: Sounds good. That is a good cheat code. Actually you 119 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: get better parking that way. We should we should really 120 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: talk about I feel like there's so much going on 121 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: in the car well. Goodwood is happening this weekend. Obviously 122 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: you and I are not at Goodwood, but there's a 123 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: lot of car stuff happening. 124 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: That's a huge bummer that we're not there, that neither 125 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 2: one of us is there. 126 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: I know you're there, honestly, and you know I was 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: just in the UK this entire week. I've just returned 128 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: from being in England, but decided not to stay over 129 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: honestly because I didn't need to. It's look Goodwood is 130 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: is great. I think everyone should go at least once. 131 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: I've been a couple of times. It's kind of the 132 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: same every year. It's not my favorite event. There's no 133 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: real huge news. It's really good for netwik working, and 134 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: it's great for car fans, and it's fun. Also, the 135 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: logistics are really challenging and complicated. It's tough to find 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: places to stay and park. Speaking of parking, so I 137 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: don't know, I just decided not to go. I didn't 138 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: want to be gone that long. 139 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: But you were in England. I saw, was you driving 140 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: a Defender, an old defender? 141 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: Sadly that was not my car? Oh, I see that 142 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: was that was a I wished I was driving a Defender. No, 143 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: I was driving in a Honda Jazz visiting all the 144 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: stately homes. 145 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: Saw that too, I saw the Honda steering wheel. Yeah, 146 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: it being a tiny one right. 147 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: Being ferried around by an eighty one year old woman 148 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: for days. It was great and I and it was 149 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: great and she's a great driver. I have to say too. 150 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: That was my mother in law, by the way, So 151 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: what do you think about that little car? 152 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: And we should talk at some point, not because I 153 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: haven't done any research about tiny little cars, because we 154 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: both love the Fiat five hundred. Yes, and the Honda 155 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: Jazz is I feel like maybe even smaller. 156 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I think it's comparable. It's pretty small, honestly. By the 157 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: end of the week, and you know, I'm I'm around 158 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: six feet in my heels. I was in pain the 159 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: back seat of that car. The seats are about as 160 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: thick as cardboard, and they don't necessarily recline that they're 161 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: not especially supportive in your lumber region. So it was 162 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: by the end of it, Yeah, it felt really small. 163 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: But all that to say, I really like small cars 164 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: and they really make sense on those tiny roads in Yorkshire, 165 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: which are about one and a half lanes wide, you know, 166 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: and you really kind of hold your breath when you 167 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: pass people, if you pass people, And I really found 168 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: that the Brits kind of just drive in the middle 169 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: of the road up there because the road's so small anyway, 170 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's they don't drive on the right or 171 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: the left, they just drive in the middle. 172 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: You're an eighty one year old woman, it's a great car, like. 173 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: It's a great yes for her. She loves it. It's 174 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: perfect for her. Harry, her boyfriend, who is ninety two 175 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: or ninety three, he has a Kia station Wagon that 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: he still drives. And in fact he met us at 177 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: the pub one night and drove himself home and actually, 178 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're all kind of holding our breath evaluating 179 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: him as he pulls out from the parking lot. I 180 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: think he's solid. I actually think he's doing a good job. 181 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: After like a three or four pints. 182 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: No, no, he had a half a pint. He had 183 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: a and this is on the record, he had a 184 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: half a point pint of some IPA and so he 185 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: was under the he was he was within his his 186 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: legal limits. And uh, ninety he's either ninety two or 187 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: ninety three, you know, a prince of a guy. He 188 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: was killing it and speaking of a state no what 189 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: a state car? I think they call the states. Yeah, 190 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: he was, he was doing great. 191 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: Well, that's fantastic. I hope I'm still driving when I'm ninety. 192 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: Three years Yeah, there was some I'm sure we may 193 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: get letters about this. I'd actually love to know what 194 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: our readers think about how you navigate when your parents 195 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: get to be in their eighties and still want to drive. 196 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: So I have that. I have the problem that my 197 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: dad's only seventy six but can tell me declined in 198 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: some senses of capability. 199 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,479 Speaker 1: Mental or physical, like reaction times. 200 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 2: Well not physical. You know. He has decided that stop 201 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 2: signs don't apply to him, you know, and he literally 202 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: just breezes through them. So this is new behavior for him, 203 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: new behavior, and it's like a moral and legal problem 204 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 2: for my family because we are all We've taken the 205 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: keys away, we've literally hidden cars, you know, taken his 206 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: car and parts that other people's houses, and he frankly 207 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: shouldn't be driving anymore. But there's there's nothing you can do, 208 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: especially if the subject is a lawyer. She is still 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: you know, ready to wage a suit to stop someone 210 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: from driving, except for have a doctor demanded test. And 211 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 2: if you know, said lawyer passes that test because on 212 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: that day, for those minutes, he's paying great attention. You 213 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: can't tell a grown man or woman he or she 214 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 2: is not allowed to drive. And that is a problem 215 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 2: if you think, you know, because we're intimately associated with him, 216 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: we know he shouldn't be driving, but he refuses to 217 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: acknowledge that. And I think you should have to retest, yes, 218 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: you know, every few years or or whatever after your 219 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: seventy and. 220 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: Not just a written test, a physical driving test, is 221 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Yeah, we talked about it, and I 222 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: think England may have some sort of mandatory testing. But 223 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: you're right. Sometimes people you can pass the test on 224 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: a given day and still not be really a peak 225 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: driving performance form. But you're right. It comes down to 226 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: like personal freedom. You can't tell someone who doesn't want 227 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: to give up their keys, you got to give up 228 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: the key. It's a freedom thing, I get it, you know. 229 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: And then of course, the other side is they're not 230 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: driving themselves. Who's going to drive them around? 231 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: Right? 232 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Well? 233 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: Thankfully, you know, even in Grandville, Ohio, where I'm from, 234 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: there's a plethora of Uber. Oh that's good services. So 235 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: as you know, as I think in my dad's case, 236 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: at least, he's growing more and more aware of his 237 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: capabilities and incapabilities and has decided for the most part 238 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: to use the local It's not Uber, but you know 239 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: the town uh FAXI guy, Oh, that's good. But I'm 240 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 2: sure a lot of people base real problems with that. 241 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a thing. I really think it's a thing. 242 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about. You know, it's tough. Do 243 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: you want to talk about Uh? 244 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: I want to talk about Remac? 245 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I was just going to say that speed record. 246 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: So I don't know anything about these cars. And the 247 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: only time and the only time I ever see anything 248 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: about REMAC is when I'm either reading stories that you've 249 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: written or looking at rob report or you know, or 250 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: it's usually some F one driver who's you know, bought 251 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 2: himself one, and those are I feel like it's only 252 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: retired F one drivers that are mate clients, Is that right? 253 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: No? I don't think that's wrong. In fact, I think 254 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: some of their first clients were were F one drivers. 255 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, like who can afford it? 256 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: And second of all, I feel like if you can 257 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: afford it, And Mate Remaka said this, a lot of 258 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: people really aren't looking for electric hypercars right now. I 259 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: mean the the Rimac Navara. Just to get everyone on 260 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: the same page. When I drove it a couple of 261 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: years ago, it was two point one million dollars. I 262 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: think I drove it in twenty twenty two. Two point 263 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: one million was the starting price. Thin that car had 264 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: about nineteen hundred horse power. They have said they're going 265 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: to make one hundred and fifty of them. Last year, 266 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Mate told us they had sold fifty out of one 267 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. So it's a really high performance supercar, 268 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: all electric. And of course Rimat Group is partially owned 269 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: by Portia and Hyundai and a couple other investors, and 270 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: then also in turn owns Bugatti, so it's all connected. 271 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: And to answer your question again, Matt, and we talk 272 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: about this all the time, internal combustion seems to be 273 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: more alluring for people who are spending a lot of 274 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: money on cars than electric cars right now, all that 275 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: to say the Neva Are, which is the higher performance 276 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: version of the Nevara and has over two thousand horsepower. 277 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: It's a little bit more expensive. They're gonna make forty 278 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: of them. If they can sell forty. That car is 279 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: the car that just became the world's fastest production ev 280 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: Now we have to say production because there's another car 281 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: outside of Japan that was a prototype that is slightly 282 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: faster for top speeds called the Aspark Owl. 283 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 2: But so first of all, is the Navara the only 284 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: car Remac makes. Is that the only model. 285 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: I believe it's currently the only car they make. They 286 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: have said they're going to start making two seat autonomous robotaxis. Okay, 287 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: so there, Yes, they're working on things. And of course 288 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: Remac also supplies components, parts, battery technology to Peninferina, so 289 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: it supplies things to other automakers, and of course Remac 290 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: owns Bugatti, and we know what Bugatti makes. But in 291 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: terms of the Remac brand, the Navara is the current 292 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: only thing that they make. But again, Mate, as we know, 293 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: is kind of a petrol head. He had a record 294 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: setting BMW that he built. He actually does love combustion 295 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: as well, and whenever we talk with him, and we 296 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: did try to get in for this podcast, but it 297 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: was a little too last minute, but he does want 298 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: to come on. He always says, you know, whatever, the 299 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: whatever makes the most sense in terms of powertrain is 300 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: fine by him. He's not married to electric vehicles necessarily. 301 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: And one thing I really like about him is he's 302 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: pretty open about Yeah, I guess guess no one wanted 303 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: the Neva. 304 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: I mean IT'STI right, yes, yeah, so he's happy to 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: make twelve and sixteen cylinder motors. The one person I 306 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 2: do actually know who has a couple is Brian Miller, 307 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: which isn't fair because he owns Miller motor Cars and 308 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: there for saletis yeah, that's the only place. That's the 309 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: only time I've ever seen them, seen them in the flesh, 310 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 2: is when I'm with him looking at his inventory. 311 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: He should let you drive one of those. 312 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 2: I didn't think about asking, what, but you've driven one? Right? 313 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: Yes, it's incredible, It's it's it's on a whole other level, 314 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: for sure, incredible. 315 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: That's because the thing thing is, like most electric cars 316 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: are obviously, any Tesla owner that you talk to will 317 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: tell you I smoke people off the line all the time. 318 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 2: And even you know, this morning, I drove out to 319 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: the local co op to get some milk in this 320 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 2: ix and that is a family it's literally a family hauler, 321 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: you know. And it flies. So any electric car will fly, 322 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 2: but this must kind of flight. 323 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: I think there are certain levels. Let's I mean, let's 324 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: put it into perspective. The Tesla model s Plaid has 325 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: a top speed of two hundred miles an hour, so 326 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: the Rimac Nevara the R just set a record for 327 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: a top speed of two hundred and sixty eight miles 328 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: an hour with a zero to sixty time of under 329 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: two seconds. The zero to sixty on the Rimacnavara is 330 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: one point sixty six seconds. So again, like I think, 331 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 1: it's just it's a whole other level. Yeah, the Tesla 332 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: feels pretty fast, but that's like a many minivan compared to. 333 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 2: So basically in electric cars, zero to sixty for the 334 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: most part, when you get to those big power numbers 335 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 2: is only limited by your traction. 336 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, and totally. 337 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: It's so the next frontier for electric cars is top speed, yes, 338 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: which is where we're and that's pretty awesome. 339 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. And you know what. The interesting thing though, 340 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: is combustion engine cars are still faster for a top 341 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: speed number, even though right, yeah, like the Bugatti, the 342 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: record setting Bugatti has a top speed of over three 343 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour, which is leaps and bounds. You know. Obviously, 344 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: whenever you talk to the people who drive these cars 345 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: for world records, they say it's exponentially every single mile 346 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: per hour that you add is it feels exponentially faster 347 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: the faster you go. And this Bugatti Sharon Super Sport 348 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: three hundred plus hit three hundred and four miles an 349 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: hour in twenty nineteen, so you know, that's a lot 350 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: more speed. And I know Koenig Seg and SSC also 351 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: have cars that are are still faster than Novera and 352 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: those are combustion engine cars. So you're right. I think 353 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: for EVS, top speed is really the next frontier. 354 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: We should actually have Andy Wallace on the. 355 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean, oh my goodness, sure list. 356 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: While we're listing people that we should be talking to, 357 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 2: mante Remac obviously is one yes and fascinating. Because of that, 358 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: I'd love to know more about the structure of ownership 359 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 2: of his business and how it fits into Portia and Folkswagen. 360 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: But Andy Wallace is the one who drove that Bugatti 361 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: top speed and you know him as well, right, Yes. 362 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: He is a great interview We should definitely have him on. 363 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: He's really he's one of these guys that has done 364 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: something extraordinary, who is really humble and you could talk 365 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: to him and never, No, what do you got speed? 366 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: I mean to me, when I watched these top speed attempts, 367 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: it just seems so dangerous, I know, And I guess 368 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 2: with the Bugatti they do it on a track that 369 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 2: it's like a road track that just is a giant oval, right, 370 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: But other times people do it at the salt flats, 371 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: which I've never been to and I would love to visit. 372 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have also never been. 373 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 2: I definitely go to the Bonneville Salt Flats, Canada's trip. 374 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it, like, let's actually make a point 375 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 1: of it. You know, I know people are killed trying 376 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: to set speed records like this. There was a woman 377 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: who was killed in southern Oregon trying to trying to 378 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: set a four wheel land speed record who was killed 379 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: years ago. And yeah, it's super dangerous because the cars 380 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: can get airborne. For one, I think that's I mean, 381 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: any type of steering correction at that speed is like fatal. 382 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah right. 383 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: But also if you're going to go and we all, 384 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: as Joni Ernst reminded us, you know we're all going 385 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: to die, that's a good way to go, right. 386 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I mean I can't, 387 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: not for me, not. 388 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: For me over three hundred miles an hour. You surely, 389 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: surely you know it's like. 390 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: No, yeah, completely. You know who we should have come 391 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: on to talk about this is our friend from Goodyear 392 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: because it all comes down to tires too, doesn't it 393 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: Like the tires are the the limiting factor as well? 394 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, fraction Mark Stewart. Mark Stewart also on the list 395 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: of people that we need to interview, and frankly it 396 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: could get too political. But Brian Miller also is a 397 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: good one. 398 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know him, but I'd love to 399 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: know him. What do you mean when you say he 400 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: could get too political? 401 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: He has opinions and he is not afraid to share. 402 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: You love opinions. 403 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 2: No, it's great, it's great. 404 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: I mean what are what are his opinions? 405 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 2: And I will let's wait till he's on. 406 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: But you know, he can say it. 407 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 2: He can say his opinions, and he's had an incredibly 408 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: successful career selling cars to the wealthiest people. 409 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: Well uh huh oh, yeah, that that gives me a 410 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: hint about what his opinions might be. 411 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: But the cool thing is he and like he's older. 412 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 2: He's older than me at least so, but he has 413 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 2: fantastic taste in music, so he can talk to you 414 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: not only about you know, the newest Bugatti and who's 415 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: buying it, but also about you know, the Derek Trucks 416 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: band or the Alma Brothers. And he goes to. 417 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: See, I love that. And you know what, I like 418 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: people who have different opinions than me because it makes 419 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: me want to ask, oh, tell me more, why do 420 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: you think that? You know? And I'm going to get 421 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: on my soapbox for just a second. I have to say, 422 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: I think the proper response when someone has a different 423 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: opinion opinion to you is not to get angry, but 424 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: to ask why and say tell me more. 425 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: You know, well, most of us live in an echo chamber, right, 426 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: So someone asked me this morning what news sources I 427 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 2: listened to, and after I listed them, I thought, Oh, 428 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound good because I'm not listening to any 429 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,719 Speaker 2: other opinions, right, if I'm just listening to Blueberg and 430 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: the BBC and NPR. Yeah, I'm kind of doing myself 431 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: a disservice by not broadening my horizons a little bit. 432 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is something I've I've actually been 433 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: talking to my own parents about. You know, let's have 434 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: a big variety in our media diet. Variety is important. 435 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: It's just like healthy walk with your parents, right, swap 436 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: are you are you? Are you on the same diet 437 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 2: as your parents? Oh? No, No, you benefit from you know, 438 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: swapping out a few for a week and they give 439 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: you a Fox News. 440 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to say that I have a very healthy 441 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: media diet, and I I will say that I'm confident 442 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: I do. I read conservative opinions. I read liberal opinions. 443 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: I listened to a bunch of podcasts. I will say this. 444 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't watch TV. I do not, and which is 445 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: ironic because I work for a news organization that is 446 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: a TV studio. But I don't. 447 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: I also don't watch TV. 448 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's important. I read, I read print, 449 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: I read newspapers, I read magazines, I don't do the TV. 450 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 2: I guess I read the Wall Street Journal in New 451 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: York Times in the FT in addition to Bloomberg. Of 452 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: course that's pretty diverse, right, Yeah. 453 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: What about your local paper? Do you get? 454 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: Like a local paper? I read because my wife writes 455 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: for it a lot whenever she feels like, you know, 456 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: we shouldn't be spending eight million dollars to put turf 457 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: on the high school football field because it involves p 458 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: fasts or whatever. I don't know what that is, but 459 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 2: I know it's bad. 460 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: So we're again Elia forever. Chemical not good for the 461 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: children totally. I'm with her. I'm with her. We need 462 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: more nature in this world. 463 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so, yeah, I guess I read the local paper 464 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: in that sense. Mostly I read, you know, automotive media. 465 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: Also speaking of automotive should we talk about Christian Horner 466 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: leaving Red Bull or really? 467 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: That's what do you think? What do you think about it? 468 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: Because I'm not as immersed in the world of f one. 469 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 2: I know he got in trouble for like texting some coworkers. 470 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 2: He denies that he. 471 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: An appropriate relationship. You know that he's. 472 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: Married to like Ginger Spice. 473 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he got that he's been there for gosh, 474 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: twenty years, got the job when he was thirty one. Crazy, yes, crazy, 475 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: Obviously there are a lot of politics involved. Max for 476 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: Stappen and his dad have had you know, difficult relationships 477 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: with Christian Horner, which has been well documented, and I 478 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that he was not asked to 479 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: leave during the time of his indiscretions and his unethical 480 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: behavior at Red Bull because they were winning. But you know, 481 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: now they're not winning and this car that they will 482 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: never admit but it was probably really tailored and manufactured 483 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: to really benefit Max for Stappen is still not doing well. 484 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: They've gone through multiple secondary team drivers and no one 485 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: has been able to really score any points with the 486 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: car except for Max and Max. Even Max can't get 487 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: it to be great. And everyone seems to think that 488 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: Max is leaving soon anyway, So it seems like really 489 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: his departure, weirdly is unrelated to the indiscretions and is 490 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: truly related to he's not winning anymore. 491 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: So is that good? Is that good or bad? Because like, 492 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: do you care if your boss, uh, if you're if 493 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: you're an F one team, isn't the only thing you 494 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 2: want to do. 495 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Win, Yes, but I don't know. That's a good question. 496 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: You know what the crazy thing is, he's not leaving 497 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: the organization. They're removing him from his post, but he 498 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: at this point, at the point, at the time of 499 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: this recording, he's not actually leaving a Red Bull. He's 500 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: staying on and we don't know what role he's going 501 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: to maintain at Red Bull, which to me could set 502 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: up a weird dynamic on the team. If someone's been 503 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: the leader and then they're removed from the leadership position 504 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: but they're still around. That seems like an odd dynamic. 505 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: Where else, Surely they're just giving him time to. 506 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: Find enough Yeah, yeah, uh, I don't. 507 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: Believe because it's too much intelligence walking out the door. 508 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: Could oh could be that too. 509 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: Much proprietary you know, I'm. 510 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: Sure he has a non compete its contactly. 511 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: So we're we're taking you out of your leadership position, 512 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: but we're not letting you go from the company, so 513 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: you can't go anywhere. 514 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: Else kind of thing. Yeah, that sounds that sounds right. 515 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Motorsport right now is peaking. 516 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh did you see F one? Have we talked at 517 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: the movie? 518 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 2: I saw the movie yeah, it was okay, it was good. 519 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: I guess you don't want to discuss more. You're not raping, 520 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't. 521 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: I don't know a great way to describe how I 522 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: feel about the movie, because I suppose I enjoyed my 523 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 2: three hours in the theater. You know, I ate a 524 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: lot of popcorn, and I got to see Brad Pitt 525 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: and a lot of F one people, you know, driving cars. 526 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: But it's just I don't know, is this like a 527 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: summer blockbuster movie. I also didn't like the new top 528 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: Gun movie Maverick. 529 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I never saw that one. 530 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: But if I think about the F one movie in 531 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: terms of the actual story or the acting, how I 532 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: felt about the characters, none of that was a home run. 533 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: There's not really a story there. 534 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: It wasn't Moneyball, I mean, when Brad Pitt is in 535 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 2: Moneyball and I have no connection to baseball, whereas I 536 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: love to watch motorsports. I thought it was an amazing movie, 537 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 2: like insanely good. 538 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: That's a great point. 539 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: And I've watched Moneyball like three or four times, and 540 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: I don't really need to see F one again because 541 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: when I was sitting there, I was thinking I'd much 542 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 2: rather be watching a race, and I think most F 543 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: one fans would I would much rather watch a race 544 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: than the movie. 545 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. 546 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: I didn't think the driving scenes were that good interesting. 547 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: I didn't feel the drama that I feel when I'm 548 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: watching a closed race. 549 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's interesting, you know what I would say. 550 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: I was relieved when I saw it, because we talked 551 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: about this a little bit in the past episodes. But 552 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it. I had very low 553 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: expectations because I really didn't like four versus Ferrari, so 554 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: I was just kind of bracing myself to not like 555 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: F one and I liked it. I I came away 556 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: excited about motor sport and thinking, oh, my friends who 557 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: don't think they're interested in cars will like this movie, 558 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: and that's exciting. And I, you know, just yesterday I 559 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: was talking with one of our editors justin Ocean, and 560 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: he had seen it and he loved it, and he 561 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: was all excited about now he wants to go to 562 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: a real race, and he's never been to a race. 563 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: He's not a particularly big F one fan, but he 564 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: knew that Silverstone had just happened in the UK, and 565 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think I get the feeling that people 566 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: it may turn some people into, oh maybe I should 567 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: check out the actual sport. 568 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I'm too critical because that. 569 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: No, I don't think you are, because I think because 570 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: you're a real you're a real fan and you have been. 571 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't think anything that you said. I don't disagree 572 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: with any of it, you know, I mean, Magnis he 573 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: doesn't even want to see it. I've tried. I've said 574 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: I'll go back and watch it with you because I 575 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: was at a press screening. He wasn't there, and he 576 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: doesn't even care to see it. 577 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 2: I just think like it didn't move me in any way. 578 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 2: The love interest wasn't compelling. 579 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: No, that that was just so lukewe I didn't. 580 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: I didn't care if the kid won or not, even 581 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: though it's so nice that he lives with his mom, 582 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's obviously completely unbelievable that a sixty 583 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 2: year old man wins an F one race, or I 584 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: mean gets close. Yeah, and I even think like, if 585 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 2: you're causing, clearly causing accidents to get out safety car 586 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: out there, that's something that. 587 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: That would never happen. 588 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: The stewards would notice and say that's not. Okay. 589 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I. 590 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: Don't know, it was it was? It was it cool 591 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: to see Brad Pitt wearing like nice clothes. I guess, 592 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 2: like I want to buy a couple of the shirts 593 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: that he was in. 594 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So that's good. So the branding, the branding worked, Yeah, 595 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: the sponsorship, okay. 596 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: Far more excited to watch an F one race and 597 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 2: I'm excited to be to watch a Moto GP race 598 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 2: obviously anytime. But I can't think of many movies that 599 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: I like better than that anyway, So. 600 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. I just in terms of Brad Pitt, 601 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: it just made me think, oh, I need to go 602 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 1: rewind fight Club. This was not Brad's finest work. 603 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: I will say that, yes, it's hard to pick his 604 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 2: finest work because he's done so many amazing things. I mean, 605 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 2: Legends of Runs through It, River Runs through It and 606 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: Legends of the Fall are two of my favorite fight Club. 607 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: I love Moneyball, I love him, and Once upon a 608 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: Time in Hollywood. Oh and that's the other thing. You 609 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 2: mentioned it before, And I don't think it's so startling, 610 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: but the work that he's had done to his face, 611 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: even if it's minor filler that somehow like around his 612 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: eyes just makes him look like a less special person 613 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: and more of a regular dude. And Okay, I don't 614 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 2: like I don't like it at all. 615 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear you say that. So you do 616 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: agree he's had work done. I'm not just either either. 617 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 2: He's had work done since one once upon a time 618 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. 619 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: Or he just there's fillers in there. 620 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does like there's no around his eyes. So 621 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: it's strange. Yes, this plastic surgery or whatever you call 622 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: that look. And I'm kind of bummed that he made 623 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: that to me too. Are lucky enough to age. 624 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: With Men are allowed to age, Women are not allowed 625 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: to age. And like he. 626 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,799 Speaker 2: Talked on Maverick by the way, the fact that Kelly McGillis, 627 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 2: they didn't even shout out Charlie in that movie. For me, 628 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: it was really really a bummer, like, no, where's Charlie. Oh, 629 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 2: Charlie died in a plane crash. It's just something, or 630 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 2: Charlie got too old and Map doesn't like her anymore, 631 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 2: you know something. 632 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be sure. Just be honest about it. 633 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: We can handle it. Or big girls come on, huh right, Well, yeah, 634 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: I agree I was. It just kind of bummed me 635 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: out because of all people, Brad Pitt is allowed to 636 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: age because his face is special or was, But you're right, 637 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: there's something there. 638 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I gotta go to this little paleo. 639 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: Well, so great to talk with you. Thanks for taking 640 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: time out of your vacation. 641 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I guess I'll probably be here 642 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: next week still, but in fact I know something wrong. 643 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 1: We'll be well, let's hope. Gosh, we don't want you 644 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: stranded in Italy. 645 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 2: Have you got anything cool coming up before we go to. 646 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: Yes? Always next week I'm actually coming to Portugal to 647 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: drive the Timorario, the Lamborghini Timorrio, which is the Hurricane successor. 648 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: So so yes, So that's fun. And then I will 649 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: be in New York and we can do it live together. 650 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: That's New York. 651 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: And I will see you in New York the week 652 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: after that. 653 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 2: So the Lamber Lamborghini drive should be amazing. Yeah, and 654 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 2: you bring up justin Ocean. He also edited my probably 655 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 2: the greatest work trip I've ever been on for Lamborghini, 656 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 2: when I went to the F one Circuit at Barcelona 657 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: to drive the. 658 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: Event to door s J amazing Justin's a good editor. 659 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400 Speaker 1: He's a hard editor, but he's a good I. 660 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: Think I was a bad writer to work for him. 661 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 2: I think he was like, I never want to edit 662 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: this kid again. 663 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,280 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure. I'm sure he I'm sure. It was fine. 664 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: He's never said a bad word about you. All right, Yeah, 665 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: well he's great. 666 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 2: Well then I will talk to you again, same time, 667 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,000 Speaker 2: same place, next week. 668 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: Wait and wait, Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and 669 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: this is Bloomberg.