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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling, Railvalry, No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 3: You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 4: Vely, that's good, Ollie.

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Speaker 5: We are on vacation with all of our kids right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is our intro. We're on vacation right now, and

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Speaker 5: all our kids are together. We're all in the same house.

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Speaker 5: This is so much fun.

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Speaker 3: But we've both had very rough nights. I feel like

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Speaker 3: you're still kind of recovering.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 2: I recovered yesterday and then went after it again last night.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of haven't gone after it since I

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Speaker 3: had my review.

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Speaker 2: You had your recovery. Then that night I went too big.

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Speaker 2: I threw up the toilet. Is not good.

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Speaker 3: There was a backup in the toilet, the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: We don't even want to talk about it.

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Speaker 7: No, but then Aaron, my wife, Oh yeah, the next

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Speaker 7: night she went after it and I had to carry

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Speaker 7: her in from outside.

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Speaker 2: It was just it was everyone's on.

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Speaker 3: And but we've never it's never been like this. I

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Speaker 3: feel like this is a sign. It was me first,

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Speaker 3: then you, then Aaron, and we're all like staring at

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Speaker 3: each other, like what's happened?

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Speaker 2: We're celebrating. But it's fun.

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Speaker 3: It's been so fun. And now this week we're recording

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Speaker 3: a podcast that I am so excited about this.

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Speaker 2: This is a throwback for you for sure.

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Speaker 3: This is definitely a poster on my wall.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and this is PTSD for me.

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Speaker 3: I would just listen do it over and over and

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Speaker 3: over and over again. I mean, I feel like you

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Speaker 3: know I I one of the members of this band

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Speaker 3: was one of my major first crushes. Like I had

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Speaker 3: posters of him on the wall.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to break it to these guys that

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Speaker 3: they weren't the one you have to, but but I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have to at some point in this I'll try

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Speaker 3: to get you know, we'll see if it comes organically.

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Speaker 3: If not, I won't say anything.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and Jonathan's gay, so we don't have to worry

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Speaker 2: about that. Mean you won't care.

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Speaker 3: Just because you're gay doesn't mean you don't want crushes

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Speaker 3: of all sexes.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, but it wouldn't be a significant to

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Speaker 2: him someone else where. Kate Hudson now wants to see

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Speaker 2: the shlinging not what I was thinking about. That's what

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about. That came up with a new word, shlinging.

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Speaker 2: So the ween we said, who it is now new

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Speaker 2: kids on the block.

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Speaker 3: We are got to interview Jonathan and Jordan Knight, who

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Speaker 3: were just I mean both of them, all of them

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Speaker 3: were such heart drops. And it was always that thing.

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Speaker 3: It was like, who's your type? You know, who's your guy?

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Speaker 2: Right, that's funny. It was like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it said a lot about you know who

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Speaker 3: you were as or as a young there's your taste

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Speaker 3: and everything.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, funny.

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Speaker 3: But I love the boy band culture like I can't

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Speaker 3: we haven't really done this, Like I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: talk about what that was like for them. And also

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Speaker 3: just growing up. Don't they have more siblings? There's a few,

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Speaker 3: sure of them. They they grew up in Dorchester, which

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Speaker 3: is in Massachusetts. You know, it's all it's Aaron's area,

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Speaker 3: you know, she grew up around that area. Her parents

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Speaker 3: grow in Brockton, Well, and brothers in bands don't usually

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Speaker 3: go well together, as in my in my history of

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Speaker 3: being married once to a man that had a you know,

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Speaker 3: band with his brother, has a band with his brother.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a notoriously is very very tumultuous.

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Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting to.

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Speaker 2: See instead of about them. Yeah, hello, hello, what this

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Speaker 2: is for me?

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Speaker 6: You guys?

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Speaker 3: This is huge because you are all on my wall

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Speaker 3: my entire childhood. Of course, as I'm sure you've heard

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Speaker 3: a million times from girls that grew up in the

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Speaker 3: you know, ladies early nineties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was saying to Kate before you guys came on.

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Speaker 2: For me, this ship is PTSD because I was like,

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Speaker 2: you've got to turn this off. I cannot listen to like,

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Speaker 2: hang tough one more time, I'm going to kill you.

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Speaker 6: We've heard both sides of the story over the years, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: male and female.

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Speaker 3: But seriously, so this is so fun. I can't wait

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Speaker 3: to get into it. Where are you? Where are you now?

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Speaker 3: I know you're you know John's and mass Are you

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Speaker 3: still Massachusetts as well?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? Massachusetts? I'm like south of Boston. He's north. Oh wow,

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Speaker 6: five minutes away?

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Speaker 3: Oh great, so you're not too far yeah, not too far.

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Speaker 3: Well for our family, forty five minutes away is like

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Speaker 3: is like not a disaster.

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Speaker 2: No, I know, we all have.

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Speaker 3: We all have to live within like seven minutes of

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Speaker 3: each other.

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Speaker 2: Problem with la is forty five minutes could be a

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Speaker 6: Crazy traffic here is getting crazy too, though it is Austin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is going on?

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Speaker 3: It all has to simplify.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys still see each other a ton? Even

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Speaker 2: though I mean not only forty five minutes, but like.

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Speaker 6: Oh goodness, Yeah, we're a tight knit family. We get

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Speaker 6: together a lot.

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Speaker 3: How many siblings are there?

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Speaker 6: Six of us? Oh, there's six, so I'm the youngest,

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Speaker 6: John's second youngest, and then there's Chris, David, Sharon, and

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Speaker 6: Allison that's going.

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Speaker 2: Up the line and that's all blow full blood.

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Speaker 6: One of our adopted Chris. Oh David, I forgot David.

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Speaker 3: Now what's the age range?

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Speaker 1: I'll be fifty five this year. I think our oldest

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Speaker 1: is sixty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we're pretty close. It's like a year and a

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Speaker 6: half a kind of difference.

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Speaker 2: Wow, But you guys grew up in an interesting situation though, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But you guys

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Speaker 2: your parents had like a foster home. Is that kind

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Speaker 2: of how how it worked?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well there was six of us and then my

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Speaker 8: parents took in foster kids. So at any time there

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Speaker 8: was there could have been like seventeen kids in our house.

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Speaker 2: Wow, how was that?

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Speaker 6: It was?

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Speaker 2: It was?

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Speaker 6: It was kind of cool. It was a little wild crazy.

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Speaker 6: What's that show on showtime? Shameless? Right?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yeah, because I can imagine, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like you have your core group

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Speaker 2: of siblings and all of a sudden, you've just got

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Speaker 2: a thousand more sort of like you know, temporary siblings

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Speaker 2: for a little bit, some probably cool, some probably not.

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Speaker 8: Some like mental issues and like, yeah, just the craziness

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Speaker 8: we were exposed to as kids. But you know, I

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Speaker 8: think it was I think it was a blessing because

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Speaker 8: you know, at a young age we were I mean,

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Speaker 8: we were always a diverse family, but just having all

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Speaker 1: Kids and you know, brought so much more to our life.

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Speaker 8: Just you know, Vietnamese girl and like you know, she

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Speaker 8: taught us about Vietnamese culture and it was good.

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Speaker 1: It was good.

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Speaker 8: I mean, and then there was like the scary moments

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Speaker 8: when like you know, if somebody had schizophrenia, which one

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Speaker 8: and you know, that was kind of like as.

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Speaker 8: But you know, overall, I think it it It just

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Speaker 3: Actually, Yeah, says a lot about to about your parents

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Speaker 3: to be able to just to have a desire to

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Speaker 3: bring kids in to help them and transition, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, especially after having six of their own, it's like,

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Speaker 2: all right, we need more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a calling.

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Speaker 2: How does I speak to your parents? Like what kind

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Speaker 2: of people were they? Obviously you know they wanted to

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Speaker 6: It seems in that day for sure. But you know,

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Speaker 6: our family has always been very open kind of like

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Speaker 6: was like open door policy. It was always it was

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Speaker 6: seemed like always kids were coming in and out, foster

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Speaker 6: kids were coming in and out. I mean during the

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Speaker 6: early days, our group, you know, we all practiced at

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it was just always I mean, did

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Speaker 3: you ever have moments where You're like, I just want

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Speaker 6: But we didn't know any different. We didn't know any different.

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Speaker 6: It was like it's almost like it's almost like later on,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well love Just for example, we have a very

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Speaker 3: similar household. I mean, there wasn't seventeen foster kids, but

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Speaker 3: we were like, you know, our house was always the

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Speaker 3: My mom had Sunday dinners every Sunday, and like every

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you know, I had no It was

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Speaker 3: always so there was always so much happening, so much sound.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then when it gets quiet, it doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 2: Where is everybody?

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Speaker 6: Well maybe too much chaos can be a little unsettling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So so there's six of you. You were the youngest,

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Speaker 3: and then and and what did you grow up in?

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Speaker 3: Like a like, what was your neighborhood like was it

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Speaker 3: very kind of you were in Dorchester.

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Speaker 6: Right, Dorchester. So Dorchester is an inner city neighborhood. Our

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Speaker 6: particular neighborhood was mixed.

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Speaker 3: And was it like was it like a sidewalk neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: Is it a were you connected to your neighbors or

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Speaker 3: was it more sort of like you know.

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Speaker 6: In our particular like street. It's funny and like the neighborhoods,

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Speaker 6: just like any big city, sometimes it can change, like

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Speaker 6: across the street and the whole neighborhood changes. But we

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Speaker 6: had like a little oasis kind of with big There

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Speaker 6: was like big Victorian houses and we lived in a

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Speaker 6: big Victorian house, and that's why we were able to

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Speaker 6: take on so many people. But the neighborhood was mixed.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 6: You know, in the seventies and eighties and maybe even now,

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Speaker 6: if you crossed one street it would turn all one

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Speaker 3: Race, so it was more segregated.

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Speaker 6: We were lucky to be in a little oasis of mixed,

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Speaker 6: but there were definitely segregated areas in Dorchester.

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Speaker 3: Interesting and so growing up, did you when you guys

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Speaker 6: We were dirt poor.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well he actually he actually left when we were

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Speaker 1: Jordan, you can go ahead.

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Speaker 6: No, yeah, let's see around thirteen or fourteen, I think

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Speaker 6: I told him about you, you know, So he goes,

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Speaker 6: I came home and I told my mom and and people,

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Speaker 6: Or something? Station was. He was like, dude, I want

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Speaker 1: In elementary school. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think that was the first time we were growing

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Speaker 1: And it just it bothered me so much. I was like, wait,

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Speaker 8: Wait a minute, You've been a part of my life

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, Christmas Day, Yeah, Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, I don't remember Christmas Day, but it was.

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Speaker 2: But when he was, he was he gone gone. It

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Speaker 8: Actually, after my dad left, I didn't talk to him

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Speaker 8: And then I was somewhere in Paris or something, drunk

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Speaker 8: Think your parents tell you things, dad are it's always

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Speaker 8: But as soon as I did, then me and my

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's so great.

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Speaker 6: For instance, for instance, we'll be together at Johnson my

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Speaker 6: we're all still very close.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 3: But just to unpack that time in your life, like

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Speaker 2: So did you have to try out?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You did.

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Speaker 6: We started out as Nanuk n y n Uk Nanuk

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Speaker 6: I think he got it from Nanuka the North. I

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Speaker 2: Yet, so I can't tell what that It sounds like

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Speaker 3: It was just the three of you guys.

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Speaker 3: But just so you guys know, Oliver was in a

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Speaker 2: We were called the Rice Crispies, very snap crackling hoop

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Speaker 2: Oh hell no, Like I'm so funny.

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Speaker 6: I want to be in So then and then after

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Speaker 2: Who was Kate's That was Kate's boy right there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 6: It was that hair, those blue eyes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the blue eyes, not hair. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: Different neighborhood. He was kind of the outsider for a while.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you treat him that way?

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Speaker 6: We did kind of treat him them and he still

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Speaker 2: Exactly like what were you doing, like it just like

448
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: this guy is not a part of the crew basically,

449
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: you know what.

450
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 8: It's funny that Joe's five years younger than me. So

451
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 8: when I was, you know, sixteen, or seventeen. He was

452
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 8: what twelve, So just that age difference right right there.

453
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 8: And then you throw in the fact that he lived

454
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 8: across town and wasn't you know, part of the neighborhood.

455
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 6: He was.

456
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: He was an outcast, right.

457
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: Joey, and then eventually he worked his way into like

458
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 2: a you're a part of us.

459
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 3: So how old were you at this point when you

460
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: were fully formed?

461
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 6: Sixteen?

462
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: I think Jordan I will amazing wise, like, were you

463
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: guys doing sort of what we're what you're doing now?

464
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: What you were doing then? I mean, how did it evolve?

465
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: Because you said new addition, like this is my era,

466
00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: like that old school R and B, like, you know,

467
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: is that sort of what we were modeling it after?

468
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did. We had a lot like our first

469
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 6: album it was like it sounded it sounded like new

470
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 6: Edition Jackson five songs, and then that album like kind

471
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 6: of it flopped. That was in eighty six, and then

472
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 6: we just started doing songs that sound a little more contemporary,

473
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 6: and that's kind of we started like telling Maurice, you know,

474
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 6: try this out, try that out, let's let's do this,

475
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 6: let's do that. We became more of a team with

476
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 6: Maurice musically and he kind of kind of feeding off

477
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 6: our vibes and that's when we did. That's when we

478
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 6: started record and Hang It tough.

479
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Right, And choreography wise, like was more were you guys

480
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 2: doing your own choreography or did you have someone there

481
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: doing that?

482
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, we did it at first, and I did. I

483
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 6: actually I did a lot of the choreography, like the

484
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 6: choreography for the right stuff like that video. Yeah, and

485
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 6: then because because we were we didn't have money, and

486
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 6: we didn't we couldn't really afford having a full time choreographer,

487
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 6: so we just made do with just trying to figure

488
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 6: it out.

489
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: And okay, question question in during this time, you know,

490
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: as any like social experiment, did you guys was there

491
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 3: sort of fighting for band leader kind of vibe? Like

492
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: like when you guys were all practicing and young, was

493
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 3: there one.

494
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: Person that sort of standing out led the Yeah, like

495
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,239
Speaker 2: timber Leg, like Michael, you know what I mean?

496
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: Like no, No, I mean more like I mean more

497
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 3: like like when you're in that environment, who's the one

498
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: like organizing things and making decisions or like who's the

499
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 3: most in front?

500
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,239
Speaker 2: See I go, I just go to alpha. I mean

501
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: like who's the Who's who's the alpha.

502
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 6: I would say, like the spearhead. The spearhead of the

503
00:26:54,880 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 6: group has always been Donnie, Yeah, leading the charge as

504
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 6: far as like uh, frontman, you know who's doing like

505
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 6: a lot of the leads and stuff. I think that

506
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 6: kind of just happened because like like say, Joe, Donnie,

507
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 6: and I, like we all have different and we were

508
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 6: the ones that sang most of the leads, and like

509
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 6: we all had different styles, different voices, So the songs

510
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 6: would just say, the songs would tell us who's going

511
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 6: to be singing, you know, like I sing a lot

512
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 6: of falsetto Joe sang a lot of high natural, like

513
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 6: almost kid voice type of stuff, and Dannie saying like

514
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 6: high natural as well, but he had more of a

515
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 6: more of a grown up sound than build. So I

516
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 6: think our personalities and our voices led the way on that.

517
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 6: It wasn't like I'm the best singer.

518
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of was like pretty even. I also

519
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 3: felt like just from my experience, like from knowing you guys,

520
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: it always felt pretty even. It didn't feel ever too disproportioned,

521
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, dispurport but inside of inside

522
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: of that was there especially between you guys, because look,

523
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: I was married to a rock star who is in

524
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: a band with his brother. I know how hard that

525
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: could be. A Notoriously, I was saying in our intro,

526
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: how tumultuous the sibling dynamic is in a band. Yeah,

527
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: how was that for you guys? I mean, honestly, you know.

528
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 6: John and I. Yeah, it was like people are amazed,

529
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 6: I think by how uncompetitive or like there really is

530
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 6: no sibling rivalry with us in the band.

531
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.

532
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 6: There, Yeah, we don't but heads. I think we've gotten

533
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 6: along edibly.

534
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: Did anybody. I mean, was there any that the head budding?

535
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 6: Oh?

536
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 8: I mean, you take teenagers and you throw them into

537
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 8: being one of the biggest pop bands in the world. Yeah,

538
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 8: and you know, things can get pretty harry between us.

539
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 8: I mean I think we were worked probably three hundred

540
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 8: and sixty days out of the year, and we really

541
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 8: had no time to really figure out who who the

542
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 8: hell we were, And you know, I think that's when

543
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 8: we started really clashing.

544
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: It actually got so bad that.

545
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 8: Our manager brought in a psychologist on the road and

546
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 8: he we always have like sessions with this guy before shows,

547
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 8: and it was just it was really weird.

548
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: I mean though that's the way ahead of the time.

549
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: I mean to have a psychologist on that.

550
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: I guess when you're sixteen, like what the fuck is

551
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: this guy coming in here to talk to me about

552
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: like exactly, you.

553
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 8: Know, And that's I think that's pretty much what happened,

554
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 8: you know, just being youthful and not really understanding you know.

555
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: I think it could have helped us a lot.

556
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 8: And you know, fortunately we're all adults now and our

557
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 8: working relationship now is just so perfect.

558
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, this is so cool, amazing. Yeah.

559
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 6: Then like after we got so famous, we started like

560
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 6: we were being worked to death and willingly, I think

561
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 6: we like we went on the road and we just

562
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 6: like wouldn't get off the road. It was crazy, we

563
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 6: lived on the road. And I think later on when

564
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 6: it started kind of getting old for us as a group,

565
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 6: each individual kind of like we just wanted to like

566
00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 6: express ourselves individually and just yeah, to do it our way.

567
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 2: Going back for a second, like what was the moment

568
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: where it was like, holy shit, we grew up in Dorchester,

569
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: you know, switching clothes and now I can't even understand

570
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: what's happening right now, Like this is insane. What was

571
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: that moment? Where when was that moment?

572
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 6: I always go back to the story, and uh, I

573
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 6: think We're in Fresno or one of a city in California,

574
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 6: and we were like our bus was parked in the

575
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: alleyway and we were all on the bus and like

576
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 6: we had the curtains closed and stuff because we're outside

577
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 6: of a theater that we were performing at. And we

578
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 6: were like on the bus in the alleyway and the

579
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 6: bus started shaking. We were whoa, whoa, whoa, what is that?

580
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 6: What is that like? And like our manager was like,

581
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 6: we are in California, and you know, so, oh it's

582
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 6: an earthquake. Holy you know, oh man like and then

583
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 6: and then we like opened the shades and it was

584
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 6: all the girls in the alleyway. Like we heard them

585
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 6: out there, but we didn't know. They were pushing our

586
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 6: bus back and forth and it was just a ce

587
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 6: a sea of people. And I guess like we started

588
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: realizing the fervor.

589
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: Well that's interesting too. Where at the time, I mean,

590
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 3: were you when did you start realizing that you were gay?

591
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 8: I mean, I think I knew earlier on when I

592
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 8: was I don't know, maybe going through puberty, sixteen. But

593
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 8: I mean I would look at women and be like, oh,

594
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 8: my gosh, she's beautiful, and then I look at guys

595
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 8: and be like, oh, he's beautiful. So I just thought

596
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 8: it was something that was in everybody's head, like everybody

597
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 8: thought that.

598
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: I think it is, but we can that's another podcast.

599
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, And I think it wasn't until like

600
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 8: I'm a little older, that it got to be in

601
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 8: my head like this is something that I'm you know,

602
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 8: when I finally realized, oh shit, this is this is no,

603
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 8: you are gay. And I think just admitting it to

604
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 8: myself was the first.

605
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: The first step in the process to accept myself and

606
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: move on.

607
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 8: But you know, being in the world's biggest pop band

608
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 8: and you know, having people tell you how you have

609
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 8: to act and you you can't let the world know

610
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 8: you're gay or else your career is done. You know,

611
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 8: the record company, You're going to ruin everybody's career. So

612
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 8: it put a lot of pressure on me. Yeah, So

613
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 8: I think I think that was eventually, you know, my

614
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 8: deciding factor to leave.

615
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: The group, that that was that was gonna be my

616
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: next question. I mean, that must have been really hard.

617
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: And then you've kind of been open about anxiety, and

618
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: do you think that was a part of everything that

619
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: was happening.

620
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 8: With you know, I I think I think anxiety is

621
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 8: in me. It's a part of me. But I think

622
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 8: in my early twenties, I think holding all that in

623
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 8: just escalated it.

624
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: You know.

625
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 8: It's because like when we were together in the in

626
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 8: the eighties and on stage and stuff, it never bothered me.

627
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 8: Interviews didn't bother me. I just think it was bottled

628
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 8: and that too, holding that inside at at an older age,

629
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 8: I mean, doing the whole Oprah Winfrey show, Like I

630
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 8: can't even watch that anymore because it was it was

631
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 8: just so traumatic and I didn't have the skills to

632
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 8: learn really what it is and how to deal with it. Yeah,

633
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 8: it's been I just say thank God for for years

634
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 8: and for learning, you know, because I'm at a great

635
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 8: place in my life.

636
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: I would never want to go back.

637
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean I can relate. Man, I'm on

638
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: X PRO like I've I've had generalized anxiety my mid twenties.

639
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: My mid twenties, I was walking into a strip club

640
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: of all places, when I felt like my heart exploded

641
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize what the fuck it was I

642
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: thought I was going to die, and I was like John,

643
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: my friend John, like I'm gonna die in front of

644
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: like the crazy girls in Hollywood. And after I get up,

645
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: I'm going there and like I have a care Vodkas.

646
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like, what the fuck was that? And

647
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: that started about a year of like intense, intense anxiety

648
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: and it sort of has ebbed and flowed, you know,

649
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: like two years ago it was really bad, and you know,

650
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: so I have it. And the generalized anxiety this part

651
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 2: is part is interesting because you try to sort of

652
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: pinpoint it. Yes, you can go back and you can

653
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: figure out some of the reasons why, but it's generalized.

654
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is going on? My life

655
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: is good, I got this, a great wife, I got kids,

656
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: I got work, I got this. What is going on

657
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: with me? Why am I feeling this way? And it

658
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 2: was just just so debilitating and.

659
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: Uncommon unfortunately, oh so many for so many people.

660
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: Well, in this last bout, which is like two years ago,

661
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: not that I would ever kill myself, but I understood

662
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: why people would kill themselves. If you feel like you

663
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: can't get out of this cycle, if you feel like

664
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: you can't wake up and be normal, and it's going

665
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: on for months and months at a time. It's like, well,

666
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: what is it worth? Well, I can't. If I can't,

667
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: I can't live, Like yeah, you know.

668
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's yeah. I'm getting goosebumps.

669
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

670
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 8: I remember, you know, when I first started going to

671
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 8: a psychologist and figure it out, it was just she

672
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 8: I don't even think she knew how to figure it out.

673
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 8: But I remember, like days I would drive home and

674
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 8: we lived like out in the country, so I would

675
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 8: see telephone polls and I would just it would come

676
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 8: in my head like if I just swerve my car,

677
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 8: I'm done.

678
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: And I don't.

679
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 8: I don't have to have these thoughts in my head

680
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 8: and you know, oh god, you know, thank god I

681
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 8: did it. No, no, and it is it could just

682
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 8: be like a just just a quick thought and just

683
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 8: a quick bit and then you.

684
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, I know. But it's it's it's like

685
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 2: what Kate said, it's incredible. It's incredible how common it

686
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: is nowadays. You know, more people are just more okay

687
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: to come out with it and talk about it, you know, anxiety,

688
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: especially in our children right now.

689
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 6: I mean, so it's crazy, dude, do you think it's

690
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 6: more of these days and past.

691
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 3: I mean, statistically it is, but then again, I'm not

692
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: so sure that.

693
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: I think people are more aware of it.

694
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: That that's statistic that we were doing this kind of

695
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: research then that we are now. I think I think

696
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: that we have we were able to define, right, it

697
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: differently and we.

698
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 2: Can label it a little bit. But it is.

699
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: It is on the rise. It's not it's not on

700
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: the decline. I mean, this is what our mom's whole

701
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 3: you know, last thirty years of work has been around

702
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: kids emotional and social wellness and so so we're very

703
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 3: like well researched in this area, and it is is

704
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: just continues to rise, which is unfortunate.

705
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 8: I mean, I couldn't even imagine being a kid today,

706
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 8: and you know social media and you know the Kardashians

707
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 8: and you know all these these these these supposed role

708
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 8: models that kids are looking up to, and I think

709
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 8: just even adults, we're just we're go, go, go, and

710
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 8: everybody wants to put on their best face. So I

711
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 8: think you know, that's probably causing tons of anxiety and people.

712
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 2: Now, well oh yeah, yeah, I mean not to mention sexuality,

713
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: how that's shifting you know, because their kids are growing

714
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: up in a porno culture. That's how they sex. They

715
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: watch these pornos and they're like, they're like, oh, that's

716
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: how you do it. I'm like, nah, it's not. I mean,

717
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: I said to my kids, my older but I'm like, look,

718
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 2: that's like watching an action movie. Okay, the explosion, Yeah,

719
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: it's all It's not real. It's not actually killing people,

720
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, this is it. It's entertainment.

721
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: This is not going to be what it's like. I mean,

722
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: maybe one day I'll be lucky enough to have that experience,

723
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: but don't think, but don't think that this is the

724
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: right way.

725
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: But to go back to what we were talking about,

726
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: I feel like what you're you know, look, I think

727
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: the thing is is it's so important that people are

728
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: more open now talking about these things. You were in

729
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: the biggest pop band in the world, and you were

730
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 3: suffering from anxiety that you couldn't share, you know.

731
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: And were you open about it with your bandmates, with

732
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: your family, with your brother.

733
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 8: I think later on, and you know, it was ninety four,

734
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 8: we broke up and I remember, you know, me and

735
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 8: Jordan bought this ridiculously huge house and we moved a

736
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 8: lot of our family in there. But so I remember

737
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 8: after coming home from tour, waking up in this crazy house,

738
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 8: opening my bedroom door and looking up and down the

739
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 8: hallway and thinking, you know, what the hell do I

740
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 8: do next? And I think that was probably my lowest

741
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 8: because I had achieved so much as a kid, and

742
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 8: you know, and that's like keeping up with the Joneses mentality.

743
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I keep this going?

744
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 8: So I remember after that that was a very depressing,

745
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 8: like I would sleep all day, all night and then

746
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 8: just keep doing the same thing for months and months.

747
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Did you get into boozing or drugs or anything like that?

748
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 1: No, thank god?

749
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah no.

750
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what happened after you broke up?

751
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: Well?

752
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: First, first, I mean, you know what when you realized

753
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: that you had the fervor? When it was like, wow,

754
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 3: we're huge, You're working three hundred and sixty days a

755
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: year pretty much. How many years did this go on

756
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 3: before everyone was like we are so burnt out?

757
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then two parter like as far as the

758
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: money did that start rolling in? Or are you so

759
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 2: young there? You know what I mean? You hear those

760
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: stories of managers of business managers who were saying, Ah,

761
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, you're not making the money you should be making.

762
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 6: Early on, we we hooked up with the Celtics agent,

763
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 6: Bob Wolf and and we you know, we had we

764
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 6: had good lawyers and we had him. And I remember

765
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 6: the first time he came. It was in La. It

766
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 6: was what was that place in La? And we had

767
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 6: a show in La. We just done this our senior

768
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 6: Hall show. We had a we had a gig that night,

769
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 6: and he came into the dressing room and told us

770
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 6: all we were millionaires. So that was a big, big

771
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 6: milestone for us. So, yeah, the money did roll in.

772
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 6: You could say, you know, maybe we could have should

773
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 6: have gotten more, you know, the merchandise. I think we

774
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 6: had a little uneven deal there, but whatever, the money

775
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 6: rolled in pretty well.

776
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: And then how many years were you at that height?

777
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 6: So I would say eighty eight to like ninety two,

778
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 6: maybe ninety three. And then what was the second part

779
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 6: of the question it was about for us breaking up?

780
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: I think I.

781
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 3: Asked how hard it was on you? Like if you're

782
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 3: working three hundred and sixty days a year like here

783
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: you are, Like when did the burnout start to happen?

784
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 3: When did you all start looking at each other going,

785
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: we can't keep doing we can't this is too much.

786
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 6: I think it was like around ninety two or ninety three.

787
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 6: I remember being on the road and we were like

788
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 6: somewhere in Pennsylvania and I was and we were doing

789
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 6: the same show. There's the same old songs, and I

790
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 6: was just like, oh my god, it's getting so boring.

791
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 6: This is so boring. Yeah, and then I think we

792
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 6: had a we had like a break of the tour,

793
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 6: and then the radio stations we started getting a lot

794
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 6: of backlash. A lot of the radio stations were like

795
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 6: because we were so huge, and people got sick of us,

796
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 6: like the radio station you know, DJs and program directors,

797
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,919
Speaker 6: you know. And then grunge started coming in hardcore rap,

798
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 6: and it was like we weren't the thing anymore. So

799
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 6: we noticed like diminishing sales, like not finding it very

800
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 6: hard to get radio play, and we kind of I

801
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 6: think we saw the writing on the wall and we decided,

802
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 6: you know, I think we're we got off the road first, right,

803
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 6: and then we regrouped and that's when John let Yeah,

804
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 6: we did a new album was called Face and Music.

805
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 6: It was in like nine ninety four, and we went

806
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 6: back on tour, and it was like we were not

807
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 6: doing arenas, We're not doing stadiums. We were doing like theaters.

808
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 6: One time we did a supper club.

809
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 9: It was it was ridiculous, that's crazy because people eating

810
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,240
Speaker 9: dinner is like what you know, and people are having dinner.

811
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 6: We were like, okay, we did have a good time

812
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 6: on that tour though, really really connected. That's all we

813
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 6: could connect to was ourselves. We were like, you know,

814
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 6: we were like kind of abandoned brothers out there.

815
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: Like how old were you guys going down We're going

816
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,720
Speaker 2: down to playing together? How old were you guys during

817
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: that four year period, like sixteen to nineteen?

818
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 6: But we like I was eighteen and Jonas nineteen when

819
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 6: we first got a big hit girl, and so eighteen

820
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 6: to about twenty two, twenty three, twenty four around probably

821
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 6: those ages.

822
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: I mean, were you guys partaking in sort of the

823
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: the after party festivities. I mean, were you out of

824
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: your minds? I mean as far as the girls go,

825
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: John for you, I read something that like you had

826
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 2: to get your manager was like hooking you up on

827
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: the side.

828
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I never heard that.

829
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 2: No, not like that, No, not like that. No, I'm

830
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: saying like, you know, because we were we were still

831
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: in the closet, not able to sort of you know.

832
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, he was consoling you consoling.

833
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 8: He I think he knew you know who I think,

834
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 8: you know, I think a gay.

835
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: I can spot another gay guy a mile away.

836
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 8: No, so he would he would ask me to dinner,

837
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 8: and all of a sudden, you know, there's this twenty

838
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 8: two year old, beautiful guy, and he kind of played

839
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 8: he kind of played matchmaker, but very Yeah. Yeah, I

840
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 8: was sweet until I got blackmailed.

841
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But the rest of the crew, it

842
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 2: was it just was it wild. Were you guys crazy?

843
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean, were you guys reveling crazy?

844
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 6: In a good way?

845
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: I think you were. It wasn't destructive.

846
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 6: It was somewhat destructive, but not like Motley Crue destructive.

847
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: Right, right, right, So it's your age, but there's probably

848
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: like fifty year olds as well, right, what are you

849
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: talking old women who were like you know what I mean,

850
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: Like we would go out, we would drink, we would

851
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: have fun.

852
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 6: You know, we typical like college kids.

853
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean.

854
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: You guys aren't actually mild compared to like something like

855
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 3: I would think, like, you know, some twenty year old.

856
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: I'd be dead. I'd be dead.

857
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 6: Honestly, we had each other, so we like, yeah, you know,

858
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 6: I think solo artists they can go off the deep

859
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 6: end easier than people that are in groups have each

860
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 6: other and like it'd be like, dude, you're your control.

861
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 6: You know you don't have that if you're in a

862
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 6: solo your solo situation. Yeah, you're the king. And you

863
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 6: got all the followers.

864
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: You know, who is the most who is the most wild?

865
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 2: Who's thest wild one? Joey I would say they were

866
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: all wild.

867
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 3: I would say the Wallburg.

868
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 6: Wild.

869
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: I would say, for sure.

870
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 6: I to throw things out out of We had a

871
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 6: we we definitely throw things out of hotel windows. And

872
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 6: one of the times we were like throwing throwing stuff

873
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 6: out of the windows, and like one of us threw

874
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 6: some like our breakfast like French toast out of the

875
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 6: window and some guy down on the street got hit

876
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 6: with a piece of French toast. And our producer had

877
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 6: a meeting with us that day and he went he

878
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 6: went through the alphabet. He said, fellas a attitude, better attitude.

879
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 6: You know some guy, you know, uh be behavior. You

880
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 6: gotta you know, stop acting so crazy. You know, some

881
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 6: guy down on the street just got hit with a

882
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 6: piece of French toast. I wonder where that came from,

883
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 6: you know. And then he said and then he said Donnie.

884
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 6: Donnie would get get excited and get us all you know,

885
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 6: whooped up, and he.

886
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 3: Feels like he'd be the start of the troublemaking.

887
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun.

888
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: Actually, Now, what was the big like what came about

889
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: this decision to reunite, because right it was.

890
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 8: A great thing, you know, I think there was always

891
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 8: talk of getting us back together, but it was never

892
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 8: us really talking about it.

893
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 6: It would be award.

894
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 8: Shows, there was some other TV show and they would

895
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 8: call and ask if what what was that show.

896
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 6: Making the band? No, No, it wasn't making it. No,

897
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 6: it wasn't that h one. Yeah they were. They would like,

898
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 6: can you guys come back together and we'll you know,

899
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: video you guys, you know, doing one song and performing it.

900
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 6: And it was kind of exploitative type of situations where

901
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 6: they just wanted to use us that kind of thing,

902
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 6: and then we would like turn it down, like so

903
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 6: we had like residual things like that would come up

904
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 6: that would pertain to the group. And then we'd all

905
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 6: have to chime in on it. But even though we

906
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 6: weren't together as a group at the time, like, uh,

907
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 6: you know, this shirt company wants to do a new

908
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 6: Kids on the Block shirter. You guys okay with that?

909
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah, and we would weigh in on it.

910
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 6: And then we started like we started like flirting with

911
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 6: the idea, like, you know, let's screw all these people,

912
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 6: like let's do it. Let's do some of ourselves. Like

913
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 6: we would say little things like that in emails and stuff.

914
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 6: And I think it it was at a time where

915
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 6: our fans had grown up, they were ready to, like

916
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 6: I think the world was kind of ready to like

917
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 6: have the new Kids on the Block step on the

918
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 6: stage again. Like all the backlash had had like fizzled out.

919
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 6: It was kind of like it was kind of like

920
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 6: we could feel that people would accept us again. People

921
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 6: wanted to go back to you know, people our fans

922
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 6: were older, you know, our demographic was older, and they

923
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 6: they they and they kind of wanted to go back

924
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 6: to the good old days. I think we all kind

925
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 6: of felt that we felt that this could be something

926
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 6: that we could do get back together and people.

927
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Would that's great, man, you're going to do it.

928
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: You're you're going to do a chore this coming summer. Correct.

929
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's so funny because look, we get older, you

930
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: guys were young, spry, hot, your fucking your your agile.

931
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: Are you going to sort of take the risk and

932
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: dance and make to do some of these moves to

933
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: where you know you might tear an achilles?

934
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: Are you going to bring it?

935
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: Where are you going to ground it?

936
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 3: Right?

937
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: Exactly? Because I have thoughts well, because are you sort

938
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: of gonna like understand your limitations? Like yeah, fuck it,

939
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,879
Speaker 2: let's just go for it. What's your Well.

940
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 6: It's funny when we reunited, like we were like gung hold,

941
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 6: like let's go all out, like let's you know, and

942
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 6: we were younger than it was fifteen years ago. Uh,

943
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 6: and we've been torn ever since. We tore. Like every

944
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 6: other year we do a big tour and it's funny

945
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 6: like every year we simplify it just a little, the

946
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 6: moves get a little more simple. But honestly, like it's

947
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 6: like we we kind of overdid it. Like when we

948
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 6: were younger, like we had so much energy and we

949
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 6: were like we look back at videos, were like we

950
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 6: were spass. We were like and that was like we're

951
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 6: more refined. It's a little like everything is thought out waiting.

952
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a.

953
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: Physical theraperston on the road does not help, I mean

954
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: does help.

955
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: You should do an acoustic You guys all have such

956
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 3: great instruments. You should do an acoustic kind of tour.

957
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 3: That's like you know, like you know, it's like one

958
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: thing to obviously do your songs, but it'll also be fun.

959
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: I mean maybe you've already done this. I don't know,

960
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: but it'd be fun to like really like.

961
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: Are you trying to produce them? Yeah?

962
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 3: I producing and like and like almost like make it

963
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: feel like old school moody.

964
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna co produce.

965
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna cope.

966
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: I have an idea too. A co production be so cool, Right,

967
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: we're going to co produce your next tour. So what

968
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: if what's the big song? What's the big dance song

969
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: that everyone sort of knew? You know what I mean? Like, well, right.

970
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 6: Where it's like by step step by step by step, okay,

971
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 6: so but everybody like everybody goes show me the new

972
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 6: Kids dance and it's like it's.

973
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: That yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's our legs.

974
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 6: So what so what.

975
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: If I did that move in a movie called something Borrowed?

976
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw it, but dance.

977
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: Don't watch that, but here it will be fun. Here

978
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: will be fun. You play on your age just a

979
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: little bit, like, yeah, you guys can still dance. But

980
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: then you find dancers who are gonna dress like you

981
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: guys when you were young. Oh, come out and be

982
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 2: like bam and and then and they fucking hit it

983
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 2: like you guys hit it back.

984
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 3: And you guys just look sharp and like yeah, and.

985
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: You're standing behind each of the dancers just being like, yeah.

986
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 8: We'd even take that a step further and use the hologram.

987
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: Yes we could.

988
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can stay home?

989
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: Yes exactly? All right?

990
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 3: How fun? So so so we charge charge. So the

991
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: next tour, where are you focused?

992
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: Thing?

993
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: Summer tour is going to be where.

994
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: All of North America? Fine, in North America, all of

995
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: America and a couple of dates in Canada.

996
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, And do you.

997
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 3: Love being on tour?

998
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 6: To me, the best time on tour is when we're

999
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 6: on stage and right when we get off, because we

1000
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 6: all like hang out in the locker room and we

1001
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 6: have like a big dinner, yeah, right off stage, because

1002
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 6: we don't like to eat too much before the show

1003
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 6: because we're like we don't want to be like yeah

1004
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 6: and stuff. So like right after the show, we're like

1005
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 6: really hungry, so we hang out and eat. But like,

1006
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 6: but touring is kind of it's very boring. Yeah, boring.

1007
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 6: There's a lot of dead time, there's a lot of

1008
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 6: traveling just on the bus, and there's a lot of

1009
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 6: just kind of boring repetition. So it's not as glamorous

1010
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 6: as people think. But when we get on stage that's

1011
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 6: the best because you know, we get the feedback from

1012
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 6: the crowd. Yeah. No, it's funny.

1013
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 8: Everybody thinks they's so glamorous, Like you know, we're shipping, shipping,

1014
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 8: sipping champagne backstage before the show, and you know reality is,

1015
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 8: you know, we're just on our buses in these little

1016
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 8: cramped up bunk beds and bad food and and just

1017
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 8: you know, not being home. It's it's sometimes when you're

1018
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 8: on tours, it's easier just to not come home because

1019
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 8: once you come home you just get so homesick. No,

1020
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 8: so it's just months and months and months of living

1021
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 8: on a bus.

1022
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: Which is not I used to say that. It was

1023
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 3: my three months when I was on the road a lot.

1024
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 3: It is like once you get to three months, it's

1025
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 3: like you you go struggling crazy, and then when once

1026
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 3: you get past the three months, then you're in this

1027
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 3: like you're in this bubble world that's like a groundhog's

1028
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 3: day that gets like really kind of wild and crazy.

1029
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: At least that was in my twenties, so you kind

1030
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: of would have to like get past that three months

1031
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 3: like living out of the suitcase, and then when you're

1032
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 3: like in it, it just for me like became this

1033
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: wild world that we were living in. So you're right, like,

1034
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: don't go home.

1035
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 6: The problem for us is that most of our tours

1036
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 6: are about three months. So god, crazy, you never reached

1037
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 6: the home. We're at that three month crazy mark.

1038
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, do you guys have kids?

1039
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 6: Then we go home?

1040
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: Do you have kids?

1041
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 6: I have two kids, twenty four and seventeen.

1042
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: Okay, oh cool boys, Yeah, Dante and Eric John. You

1043
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: guys got kids or no?

1044
00:57:59,600 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 8: No?

1045
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: Oh we just got a dog name.

1046
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: All of our oh good name.

1047
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 6: Name.

1048
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 3: Well, this is so fun. I want to do our

1049
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: speed round because we're kind of coming up on the hour.

1050
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: One word to describe each other when you were at

1051
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 3: the height of your fame in your teen years.

1052
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 6: One word to describe the height of our fame.

1053
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what was Jonathan one word? What was his vibe?

1054
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 6: Oh? Wow, guy, John's always been open hearted. Mm hmmm,

1055
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 6: So I'll give him that one.

1056
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: That's that's good, that's the best.

1057
00:58:59,240 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1058
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: What about Jordan's supportive?

1059
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 10: Oh this is not that's so great. Yeah, you guys

1060
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 10: are like you you you should write a book about that,

1061
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 10: working together, getting along so well. Okay, who was better

1062
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 10: behaved growing up?

1063
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: Me?

1064
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1065
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 6: For sure. I was kind of like John kind of

1066
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 6: stayed home more and I was kind of like more

1067
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 6: of a street kid.

1068
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1069
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: If you could name a song that represents your brother,

1070
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: which one would it be? Like from when you were kids?

1071
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 6: Talented motherfucker, sexy.

1072
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 3: Motherfucker, No, sexy motherfucker, that's a prince? Like what reminds

1073
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 3: you of your brother? Like for me, it's like it's

1074
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: like it's like the what's the song starship we built

1075
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: this we built this city? Like that reminds me of

1076
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 3: all of ours so much?

1077
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 6: Oh mm hm, oh okay, So something that reminds me

1078
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 6: of John would be like it would have to be.

1079
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 6: He's a bad Manmagamma, He's a bad Manmagama. John used

1080
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 6: to John used to play the coolest songs when we

1081
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 6: were like and we had a little he had a

1082
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 6: little record player and he played all the disco songs,

1083
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 6: did all the funk songs?

1084
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, what was the other one?

1085
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 6: Putting on the rits?

1086
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, putting on the rits?

1087
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: Oh god? Yeah, you guys, is that was your influence?

1088
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: Sort of like did you listen to a lot of

1089
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: R and B?

1090
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: We did, you know? I think I think our age

1091
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: difference to in the family, Like my sisters always had

1092
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: like Pink, Floyd, Queen, the who.

1093
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 8: You know, and then we were hanging out with the

1094
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 8: younger crowd listening to more you know, R and B.

1095
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 8: So m hmm, you know, I think we've had a

1096
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 8: very good diversity of music go through our ears over

1097
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 8: the years.

1098
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: Who was your first celebrity crush When I was really

1099
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: really little.

1100
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 8: I was like, I mean I've had many, but I

1101
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 8: think Tom Selleck as Magnum p I was one of them.

1102
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh that.

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01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: He's a teacher loves I mean, by the way you

1104
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: look at those old magnify eyes. He was a sexy ye.

1105
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 6: Those shorts, those really short shorts.

1106
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: Wearing them now my shorts my daughter this morning because

1107
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm wearing you know, I'm wearing these corduroy shorts. And

1108
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 2: then for some or getting shorter and shorter. I don't

1109
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: know why, I'm like liking shorter and shorter short. Oh

1110
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: my god.

1111
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 3: If you were arrested together, who would be the first

1112
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 3: person you'd call the bail you out of jail?

1113
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 6: Well, we were arrested together. Well, no, you got arrested.

1114
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 6: I was arrested with Donnie. But John, you got arrested

1115
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 6: protecting me or something?

1116
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I was with a friend whose thought was

1117
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 8: on the police force, so he was the first person

1118
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 8: we call.

1119
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, would you get arrested for like fighting

1120
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: or something?

1121
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, me and Donnie got arrested for fighting. The

1122
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 6: charge was assault and battery with a shod foot, meaning

1123
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 6: you had a shoe on and you were kicking somebody

1124
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 6: and that was a weapon.

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01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: That is amazing. Yeah, what happened.

1126
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 3: It was just it was just.

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 6: He got some like he was he was at work

1128
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 6: and he had like a bag like on the counter,

1129
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 6: and somebody came in and asked for like a particular

1130
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 6: pair of sneakers. He went in the back to get him.

1131
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 6: He came back, the kid was gone, and so was

1132
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 6: his bag. So he ran over to like the corner

1133
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 6: and said that dude over there, like, oh my ship,

1134
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 6: So who him? We all just chased him and roughed

1135
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 6: them up. We were roughing them up. The cops came

1136
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 6: and grabbed Donnie and I just Donnie and I. Oh,

1137
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 6: and the kid that got roughed up, he was in

1138
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 6: there too, because Donnie said he stole some So we

1139
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 6: were all in the cell to get well. I was

1140
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 6: in my own cell, Donnie was in his own cell,

1141
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 6: and the kid that we beat up was in the

1142
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 6: cell across from us. And we were even in the

1143
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 6: even in the prison, we were like yelling at him.

1144
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 6: He was yelling at.

1145
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: But the back.

1146
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 6: What's that?

1147
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 3: Did you get the bag back?

1148
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 6: Oh? Yeah, we got the bag back.

1149
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 3: Oh that's good then then okay, so who did you call?

1150
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: The same guy friend's dad?

1151
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 6: Who do we call? Why? I call my mom? Yeah

1152
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 6: that point and he called his mom. It was fifteen

1153
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 6: dollar bail.

1154
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I got arrested for paintballing, you know, a

1155
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 2: bunch of people on Halloween. It was bad shot. Yeah.

1156
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's old story I won't get into. But

1157
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 2: we got pulled over. We got pulled over, guns drawn

1158
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 2: because it was like they thought it was real guns.

1159
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: So they get the fuck out of the car. I

1160
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god. They take us into the

1161
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: station and now they're going to call our parents. And

1162
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 2: they get to me and they're like, all right, what's

1163
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: your dad's name?

1164
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you're you're telling the story wrong. You're

1165
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 3: friends all told me the story. No no, no, they said,

1166
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 3: who's the most forgiving parents? I'm skipping a bunch of stuff.

1167
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: It's too long, But they said, who you know, time

1168
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: to call my parents? Boom, what's your dad's name? I say,

1169
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 3: my god, it's gonna be bad, Like it's Kurt Russell.

1170
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: And they're like what what? Yeah, they're like no, but

1171
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: like they're like they're like they're like, I'm serious, serious kid, Like,

1172
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 2: who's your fucking dad? Like Kurt Russell's my step They

1173
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: the whole station started fighting. The two cops, one who

1174
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: was the arresting officer and then the one who car

1175
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: I was in. We're fighting over who's going to make

1176
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: the phone call to my dad.

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01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 8: See, I would hate to be you guys, growing up

1178
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 8: with with very famous parents. That's that's a whole another crazy.

1179
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: We were were.

1180
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: I think if you look at all of the kids

1181
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: who grew up all of these so called nepo babies

1182
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: kind of thing are ours is particularly different than most

1183
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: because we kind of grew up in Colorado. They like

1184
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 3: moved out and we went to Colorado and we had

1185
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: like a much more seemingly simple upbringing, even though we

1186
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 3: traveled a lot.

1187
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, but but I know, you mean, like, you know,

1188
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: I hated when people came up to my parents. It

1189
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 2: drove me crazy, like I felt violated. It was there.

1190
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: I was just like the fuck away. I mean, I

1191
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: remember as a kid having this rage when people would

1192
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 2: be hi, like we're a dinner, Like, oh my god,

1193
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 2: oh my, oh god. I mean it drove me, really

1194
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: drove me crazy. Yeah. Yeah, Kate gave her autograph too, Kate.

1195
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: It's like, do you want mine? She's like four, so funny.

1196
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird, you are. You do feel like you're

1197
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 3: in a little bit of a fish bowl. But then

1198
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: it's also like we also had the constant of our

1199
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 3: parents being like, this is just all this means nothing right,

1200
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: you know this, this has no substance to it. They

1201
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 3: like our movies, you know. The way that they explained

1202
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 3: it to us kind of set set it apart from reality. Well, listen,

1203
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 3: let's go. Let's yeah, let's do the last one. So

1204
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 3: we always end our podcast with a with a two

1205
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 3: part question, which is if you could The first part

1206
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 3: is if you could emulate anything of your sibling that

1207
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 3: you love that you wish you had more of. What

1208
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 3: would that be a characteristic that you that you admire?

1209
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 3: And then the second part of the question is what

1210
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 3: is something that you wish you could alleviate from your

1211
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 3: sibling to bring more ease into their life and maybe

1212
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 3: more liberation.

1213
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 2: M Yeah, start John. John's like, I'm not ready for this.

1214
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 6: You can marinate on it while I try to come

1215
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 6: up with something. Like I said earlier, John is very

1216
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 6: open hearted and loving. He sees he sees the beauty

1217
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 6: in everything, and it could be to a fault. I don't,

1218
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't, I don't think so. Yeah,

1219
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 6: John is just open hearted and like he uh, he's

1220
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 6: he reveals himself. That's probably what I would like more

1221
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 6: to be able to reveal myself more and be more

1222
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 6: open like John is. And what would I like to.

1223
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 2: Like a stressor or something that would make his life easier.

1224
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe the burden to be kind of

1225
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 6: like a caretaker or to make sure everyone's okay. Maybe

1226
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 6: the burden of that. I don't know.

1227
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I that makes sense, you know.

1228
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 8: And I think the quality I like about you is

1229
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 8: you think things through. I always judge straight from the heart,

1230
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 8: and it's like, you know, sometimes I don't think about it,

1231
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 8: and I know that's why I always love that I

1232
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 8: have you to talk things through, and you know I can,

1233
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 8: I can kind of bitch to you, like, oh my god,

1234
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 8: this happened this week and this and that, and you

1235
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 8: always seem to have the centered the truth, and like

1236
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 8: you'll say, you know, you'll weigh the pros and cons

1237
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 8: and well this this is going to cause this, and

1238
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 8: this is going to cause that.

1239
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I think.

1240
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 8: I think you'res a lot like Dad, you know, where

1241
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 8: I can call him and just be like Dad, this

1242
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 8: is on my mind. And work helped me work through

1243
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 8: the feelings and the steps too.

1244
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:20,720
Speaker 6: To change that.

1245
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: So I I love that quality about you. I'm not

1246
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: sure there's anything I need to relieve.

1247
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 6: You of though, teenage kids? What's that? Teenage kids?

1248
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: I said, may teenage kids, Jordan. In that case, what

1249
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 2: would you like to alleviate from yourself?

1250
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say a lot of that,

1251
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 6: you know, like thinking it through. It's a lot of thinking,

1252
01:10:55,920 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 6: you know. So I would say, you're gonna alleviate me

1253
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 6: of a lot of thinking. I think I'm an overthinker,

1254
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 6: you know, and that Yeah, in my way of just

1255
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 6: being just open like you you know what I mean,

1256
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 6: just like blurting, blurting it out, Like I was like, well,

1257
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,600
Speaker 6: I need to say something reasonable. It has to it

1258
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 6: has to be balanced, you know. It's like, no, just

1259
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 6: let it the funk out. Yeah, I would say, yeah,

1260
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:35,600
Speaker 6: that would be something that.

1261
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like our dynamic a little bit. Oliver just

1262
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 3: says what's on his mind and I'm like, don't say that, right,

1263
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 3: but I'll cut it, you know.

1264
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: But that's the worst part about Ka. She cuts these

1265
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 2: things and I'm like, leave that in. That's the good ship,

1266
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, yeah, what's.

1267
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 8: The age difference between you two and a half two

1268
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 8: and a half years oh see, so that's that's it.

1269
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, the closer siblings like in age.

1270
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. So actually my

1271
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 2: wife was like Miss mass like teen miss teen mass

1272
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,480
Speaker 2: or whatever. And she said that one of your brothers

1273
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 2: like married or linked up with a Miss teen mass

1274
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: that she worked with. Does this ring any bells at all?

1275
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 6: Uh, Chris or David?

1276
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if it doesn't ring a bell because

1277
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 2: she was like, your wife was Miss Mass. My wife

1278
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: was Miss teen Massachusetts and then then she went to

1279
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 2: like Miss teen USA and then like there was like

1280
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: a runner up whoever she was like a runner up

1281
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 2: whoever won was like it was a big bard.

1282
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 3: It was the big You have been with Aaron for

1283
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: twenty years at.

1284
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 2: Twenty three, I have never heard you didn't know? No,

1285
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, she's like one Miss team Massachusetts and was

1286
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: third runner up like Miss teen USA. Talent blow jobs.

1287
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 6: Oh ship, now you're gonna cut that and keep it

1288
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 6: keep it?

1289
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't.

1290
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh gosh. Well on that note, you guys,

1291
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 3: this has been so great.

1292
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: Well maybe when you're in l A, you know, we'll

1293
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: come check you. Guys. Honestly, thank you for talking.

1294
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 3: To us and being so open, and I just feel

1295
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 3: like I have a whole new insight on.

1296
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 2: Really fun everything. Great talking to you guys.

1297
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 3: You've been through and it's really cool.

1298
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1299
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure. Thank you guys for thinking of us

1300
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 6: and having us on your show.

1301
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 3: We'll see you somewhere down the line for sure.

1302
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 8: H