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Speaker 1: Albert Brewer reported that he had three years, thirty six

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Speaker 1: million dollar contract. Now there might have been some hollow money,

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Speaker 1: but clearly he underestimated his market. C J. Gardner Johnson.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people like, how did the Lions get

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Speaker 1: him for eight million? And his agent tweeted like, yeah,

431
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Speaker 1: the Eagles offered us three for twenty four but it

432
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: was all fake money. Yeah, that's kind of a you problem.

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Speaker 1: You know, you need to know your market because if

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Speaker 1: your client is signing a week after free agency, clearly

435
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Speaker 1: you went three or four days. When you're getting offers,

436
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Speaker 1: your client doesn't like because you have promised him money

437
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: that actually isn't there, or else you would have taken it.

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Speaker 1: So this is all a game of chess. I think

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Speaker 1: Josina Anderson had tweeted out like agents are piss a

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Speaker 1: lot of one year deals. Well, yeah, if I'd give

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Speaker 1: a one year deal to a client like free agency.

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Speaker 1: The reason McGlinchey got fifty million dollars is because there

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Speaker 1: were other teams willing to give him probably forty. Right,

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00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: if I give you a one year deal. You're only

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Speaker 1: signing that one year deal is because you don't have

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Speaker 1: any other options. It's not that there's no emotion in this.

447
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: It's an emotionless business. Beside like obviously the Eagles when

448
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: they resign Fletcher Cox or Brandon Grant. I mean there

449
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: is emotion, you know, when Jerry breaks Zeke off certain teams,

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00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: with certain players there is an emotional connection, but for

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Speaker 1: the most part, with players that aren't yours. In free agency,

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00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,360
Speaker 1: pretty emotionless, pretty emotionless. And some players have good representation

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Speaker 1: and they play it right, and I think you see

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Speaker 1: this Lamar thing. It's getting very emotional and it's no

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Speaker 1: deals getting done. Because when you get too emotional, I

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Speaker 1: would say, in any transaction, whether it's a two hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars conduct, whether it's a fifty million dollar contract,

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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, something with your family, when emotion

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00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 1: is involved, you don't always make the right decisions and

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00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: sometimes it clouds your judgment. And I think clearly in

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Speaker 1: football it happens with some of these guys that get

462
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Speaker 1: franchise because they have this false identity that they're actually

463
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Speaker 1: better than they are. And some guys are sweet some

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00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: guys that gave franchise are awesome, right, and other guys

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Speaker 1: like Orlando Brown, franchise last year. Is he a franchise player?

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Speaker 1: Like I watched Orlando Brown. We just saw him hit

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Speaker 1: the open market. He's the sixteenth highest paid tackle now

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Speaker 1: in the league. So clearly he's not. And the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: knew that, and that's why they moved on. One thing

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Speaker 1: that jumped out to me, I love March Madness. I

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Speaker 1: watched no college basketball. I don't think I watched throughout

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Speaker 1: the entire year a full game of college basketball. Yet

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Speaker 1: March Madness starts. I'm fucking glued. I watched a ton

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Speaker 1: of March Madness and I placed two future bets. I've

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Speaker 1: been on the Arizona Wildcats, which lost in the first

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Speaker 1: round disaster, and I bet on the Gonzaga Gonzaga Bulldogs.

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Speaker 1: And my logic was simply on Gonzaga's like flying a

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Speaker 1: little under the radar. I think this could be their year.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard. I mean, they play UCLA, but

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Speaker 1: you know, win three or four g's. I think it's

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars if they went. But one thing that

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Speaker 1: jumped out to me is like and I've always when

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Speaker 1: I went to Fresno State, when I became a GA

484
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Speaker 1: there in two thousand and eight, the administration was very

485
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Speaker 1: like Pro Title nine and they were actually kind of

486
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Speaker 1: anti football, and there was reasoning behind it because before

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Speaker 1: I had shown up, within the previous couple of years,

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Speaker 1: they had a women's basketball coach. She was very good looking,

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Speaker 1: and there was an incident with like I can't remember

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Speaker 1: who was the athletic director or like assistant a d

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Speaker 1: in a car wash where they're inappropriate touching, and she

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Speaker 1: sued and she won a ton of money, as well

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Speaker 1: as the softball coach who thought her team I think

494
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Speaker 1: was being treated unfairly sued the university as well. And

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Speaker 1: one so Fresno State had a Title nine problem getting sued.

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Speaker 1: They were gonna go broke because I couldn't afford to

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Speaker 1: make all these payoffs because they were losing. So when

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Speaker 1: I got there football we were at a disadvantage because

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Speaker 1: we were not getting priority. Even though one of my

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Speaker 1: stories when I was there, there was a town hall meeting,

501
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: so basically the ad speaks in the football meeting room,

502
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: because you know, that's the only space they could fit

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00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: every single team their coaching staff, so it wasn't players

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Speaker 1: is the coaching staff kind of like a town hall.

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Speaker 1: And Pat Hill, the coach at the time who I

506
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Speaker 1: worked for, came in like fifteen twenty minutes late, right

507
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Speaker 1: the meeting was going. And when he walked in and

508
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: sat down, I can't remember, it might have been the

509
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Speaker 1: volleyball coach or a soccer coach turns around and went like,

510
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Speaker 1: must be nice to show up whenever you want, and

511
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Speaker 1: Coachill kind of tongue in cheek but also kind of serious,

512
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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I was out fundraising to pay for

513
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Speaker 1: your salaries, and I was like, damn he was right though,

514
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Speaker 1: football team at Fresno State, which is clearly much lower

515
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Speaker 1: than all the Power five programs financially, but still paid

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Speaker 1: for everything. And the one thing in the SEC I

517
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Speaker 1: saw a stat like some of these teams games that

518
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Speaker 1: have made these runs in the NCUBAA tournament their potential enrollment,

519
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Speaker 1: like people didn't enrolled or the admissions the admissions not enrollment,

520
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: but the admissions had like tripled, had quadrupled. I'm talking

521
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Speaker 1: like Butler, Florida, Gulf Coast, all the teams I can't

522
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: even think of them off the top of my head

523
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: didn't made these runs. And the higher your admissions go,

524
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Speaker 1: the more options you have to pick from the cream

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Speaker 1: of the crowd. I say it all the time, the

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Speaker 1: amount of people I know. You know, I'm from the

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Speaker 1: Sacramento area in northern California, friends and family, who are

528
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Speaker 1: you know? I would say late forties, early fifties that

529
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Speaker 1: have kids that are coming on college level ages that

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Speaker 1: are applying to the SEC. I mean, I think by

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Speaker 1: within a couple of years, I'll know ten kids from

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Speaker 1: the Davis Sacramento area that are going to school at Ole,

533
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Speaker 1: Miss Alabama, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee. And I think I

534
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Speaker 1: said this on a previous podcast, I didn't know a

535
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Speaker 1: soul who would ever go there. And I think a

536
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Speaker 1: big reason that is the popularity of the conference. Starting

537
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Speaker 1: with football. It is a very very popular conference and

538
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: ultimately the SEC has gone all in on football and

539
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: because of that, led by Nick Saban. But you can say, no, well,

540
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: it's all in Nick Saban. We kinda like last time

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Speaker 1: I checked, LSU won a national championship, Georgie's won back

542
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: to back national championships, Florida's won some national championships. They

543
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: got other programs competing for national and winning national championships,

544
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: and it's paying absolute premium to the conference. And look

545
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: at the basketball conference in the SEC, they are the

546
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: highest paid coaches right now in basketball. I googled the

547
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: other day the top twenty five in college baseball. I

548
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: think six or seven of the top ten teams are

549
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: all from the SEC. I was listening to a podcast

550
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: within the last like six months. It was this guy

551
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: that just made it the PGA Tour. He played at

552
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and he was talking about college golf and he says,

553
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: whenever he played, the SEC teams are all flying private.

554
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: And this was always my issue at first of the states,

555
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: like we are spending so much time talking about fucking softball,

556
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: they lose money. Why don't we double down on football

557
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: and softball will end up making more money. But we

558
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: had this loser, a d that didn't think like that,

559
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: and thank god he's long gone now. But the SEC

560
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: has never thought like that. They've always been about football.

561
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: Who did they just add Texas and Oklahoma? Why for

562
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: football reasons? What did the Big ten do? They added

563
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: UCLA and USC mainly for football, with USC and UCLA

564
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: for basketball, which is one of the obviously cash cows

565
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: in basketball, but it shows you the importance of the sport.

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Speaker 1: College athletics is not like any other business. Like when

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00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: I work for the Eagles, the only business was the

568
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: football team. Everything revolved around the football team. We didn't

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Speaker 1: have to subsidize other things like the NBA. I don't

570
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: know why the media would never say this subsidizes the

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Speaker 1: w NBA. There was like this polarizing Again, polarizing would

572
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: be strong. There was these people arguing on Twitter within

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Speaker 1: the last month, how every NBA team should devery excuse me,

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00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: w NBA team should fly private? Should they do? They

575
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: make enough money? How is that justified? The reason CEOs

576
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: of Wells Fargo and Amazon fly private is because their

577
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: companies turn a huge profit. The reason NBA teams or

578
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: NFL teams or professional baseball teams fly charter flights is

579
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Speaker 1: because they can pay for it. If you can't play

580
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: for it, you shouldn't fly it. And I think football

581
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: has the mindset in college athletics, the major conferences, and

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Speaker 1: it feels like we're headed towards the SEC, toward the

583
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Big ten, go all in in football. Everyone else benefits

584
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: because ultimately football and depending on the school. Some college

585
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: basketball subsidize every other program, and I think the SEC

586
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: just figured it out early on. Obviously they've benefited from

587
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: a historical John Wooden light figure at Alabama in Nick Saban,

588
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: but god, it really jumped out to me this weekend

589
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: of they just care about sports more specifically football, and

590
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: everyone else has benefited one move. You know. I just

591
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: I loved Dryan Poles getting DJ Moore in that trade.

592
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: I really did. And he talked to Peter King today

593
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, he thought about if he

594
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: could potentially go from one to two and then two

595
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: to nine, and it was going to take a little

596
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: more time to potentially pull off that deal, and there

597
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: was no guarantee that that deal could come, and you know,

598
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: pigs get fed, hogs gets sliddered. He took the deal

599
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: when he had the opportunity with the Panthers, and to me,

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00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: getting DJ Moore was just a steal in that deal.

601
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Speaker 1: I think the one thing the Panthers underestimated a little more.

602
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: I would have said, DJ Moore is not on the table,

603
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: like you're not staying at one. I don't think you're

604
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: going to get a deal remotely close to pick nine.

605
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: Next year's one. I would have given you next year's

606
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: two and then like maybe two more two. I would

607
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: have given other picks, but not trade to DJ Moore.

608
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: And I think they justified it by going, well, we

609
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: can replace DJ Moore, maybe go cheaper, and they essentially

610
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: did with Adam Feeling. But here's my thing with Adam Feeling.

611
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: He's not remotely as good as DJ Moore. He's not

612
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: as young as DJ Moore, and when you look obviously

613
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: statistically Adam, but if you've watched him, and I'm an

614
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Adam Feeland fan, but that's your classic, like listen, we

615
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: can include him in this trade so we can get

616
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: up to where we want because ultimately they would say

617
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna go or not go as far as the

618
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: quarterback is going to take us, and we can find

619
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: people to play that position. Maybe not as good as him,

620
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: but eighty eighty five percent. And I think sometimes when

621
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: you signed these older wide receivers, it's just very risky.

622
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: It just can be very very hit or miss, and

623
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: sometimes like you just get I remember the raid or

624
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: signed Jordy Nelson and then all of a sudden he

625
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: just sucked and it was just over and pretty much.

626
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: That happens a lot with some of these guys who

627
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: especially lose speed, and theeland's never been a blazer to

628
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: begin with. So I just you know, the Panthers have

629
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: gone all in on this quarterback. Who's just we're back

630
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: going to be throwing too? Who's he passing the ball to? Like?

631
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: It's one of the things we say about justin fields

632
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: where listen, you can tell me he's not a great pastor.

633
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: Who the bleep was he throwing the ball too? Last year?

634
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Now this year he's got no excuses, right, You had

635
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: to chase Claypool, who at the pigest fan of But

636
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you get DJ Moore to go along with Mooney commet,

637
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: you draft another skill guy just time to roll, baby.

638
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know how we're gonna judge whoever the

639
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: hell the Panthers draft this March. Take your shot at

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Speaker 1: on the show Max. I've seen a lot of mock

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Speaker 1: drafts having Seattle take Jalen Carter at five. I don't

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Speaker 1: think this would be a fifth though. Pete and John

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00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: typically like like high character guys. I get we need

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Speaker 1: help on the d line, but we've signed some guys

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Speaker 1: and do not think it would be worth putting a

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00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: bad character guy in the locker room. However, it could

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Speaker 1: have just been a bad incident and help him get back.

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Speaker 1: I don't know your thoughts. Well, I would say Pete's

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Speaker 1: taking some flyers over the years, does not act like Pete,

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Speaker 1: you know, is running the Princeton football program. Here, they

686
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Speaker 1: traded for Percy Harvin, they drafted Frank Clark. You know,

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Speaker 1: they've they've had, they've they've done their fair share of

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Speaker 1: character guys. There's got to be a couple other ones

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Speaker 1: that aren't coming to mind, not saying Pete is like

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Speaker 1: a renegade. You know, I'm not claiming to be like

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson at the University of Miami, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think they're just purely high character guys. I do think

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Speaker 1: this would fit. You know, Pete has taken reclamation projects

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Speaker 1: in college at USC, which I think kind of fits

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Speaker 1: the mold of getting this elite player, get them in

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Speaker 1: their culture. I think that's a discussion they're having and

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Speaker 1: I think everyone I would say in that top ten,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically after the quarterbacks, if we assume the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks go, let's just say they go one through four,

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Speaker 1: which you know typically doesn't happen like that. But I'd

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Speaker 1: say a couple of years ago, remember it went Trevor

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Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, Trey Lance. So the first position player was

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Speaker 1: the fourth player. Even if it goes like that, if

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Speaker 1: you're drafting three or four through ten up until like

705
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,959
Speaker 1: the Eagles, you got to have very very serious conversations.

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Speaker 1: If Jalen Carter is on the board, do we take him?

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Speaker 1: To me there is either like if you're in the

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Speaker 1: top fifteen, you're having like is he on our draft

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Speaker 1: board or is he not? And I mean like in

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Speaker 1: the first round, if he's there, because this is no Brander,

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00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the highest rated player, would we take him?

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00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,959
Speaker 1: Because there's the discussion has to happen before the draft.

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Speaker 1: You could argue basically every team drafting in the first

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00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: rounds having that conversation, what if he falls, do we

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Speaker 1: pull the trigger? Because if he falls past five, he's

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00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: the best player on the board. And to me, that's

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Speaker 1: a conversation that's probably with Pete and John. It's happening

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Speaker 1: with those two, but every team, their coach and general

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Speaker 1: manager having that conversation, and whoever does the sec for

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Speaker 1: that team, you know, is being i would say, asked,

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Speaker 1: being told to accumulate information to become like CSI, go

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Speaker 1: be a detective, go to Athens, Georgia, find as much

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Speaker 1: information as we can. My head of person or head

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Speaker 1: of security is dealing with the police using his connections

725
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: because we got to find out what the issue is

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00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: there with him? Is this habitual? Has there been several issues?

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Speaker 1: Because let's face it, in cities like that, stuff gets

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Speaker 1: swept under the rug in the SEC. In these big

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Speaker 1: college programs, the Big ten, Big twelve, when you're a

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Speaker 1: star and the program is dominating, stuff doesn't get reported.

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Speaker 1: But that's the reason that you have scouts. That's why

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00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: I say they're underpaid. The good ones get that information

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Speaker 1: so they can go to the GM and the head

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Speaker 1: coach and they go listen, there's seven other instances and

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Speaker 1: you go, holy shit, we can't touch this guy, or

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Speaker 1: you go listen. I've been around this program for a decade.

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Speaker 1: Every single person I know that gives me good information.

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Speaker 1: They actually feel pretty good about this guy. But that's

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Speaker 1: the scouts job because the head coach he's gonna watch

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Speaker 1: Jalen Carter draft as high as possible. Okay, I've got

741
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Speaker 1: a three parter for this week. Geez Louise, Okay, let's

742
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Speaker 1: just read. I'm gonna read. I'll read the middle one.

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Speaker 1: I can't read all three questions. I'll read the first two.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is the sixth best quarterback in the AFC Burrow,

745
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: Alan Herbert, Lawrence, Lamar, Oh Mahomes. I didn't read him.

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Speaker 1: He's the second best quarterback in the division. And the

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Speaker 1: Ravens won Super Bowls with Dilfer and Flacco, and they've

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Speaker 1: proven that they do not need an all pro quarterback

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Speaker 1: because he isn't their franchise identity. I don't believe Lamar

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Speaker 1: is gonna come out on the other side of this

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Speaker 1: on the upper hand, unless he can end up on

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Speaker 1: a team like the Colts, who valued the quarterback position

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Speaker 1: above anything else. I'm gonna push back. I think the

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00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Ravens value Lamar given that they built the offense around

755
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: the guy. But I think Flacco was not a highly

756
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Speaker 1: paid guy when they won the Super Bowl, and obviously

757
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Trent Dilford wasn't either. Beside Mahomes, these forty forty five

758
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: million dollar quarterbacks have not been rattling off Super bowls now.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow about to get paid. Josh Allen got paid,

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Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean Josh Allen's has been paid. They

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Speaker 1: haven't exactly been in the ancy championship game of the

762
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We're gonna see once Joe Burrow and Higgins

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Speaker 1: get paid, like, does their team look the same. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: I don't see team wins as a quarterback stat as

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Speaker 1: people do due to instances like Derek Carr's record, which

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Speaker 1: is terrible, but he is one of the most clutch

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Speaker 1: and steady handed quarterbacks in the league, and Jimmy g

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Speaker 1: is worse than he is, but he has more wins.

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Speaker 1: Slow is Lamar having a win percentage of around seventy

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Speaker 1: percent really relevant to the discussions around his contract. I

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Speaker 1: think the keys you gotta watch the player, Like when

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Speaker 1: you watch Lamar, and he's been healthy for the most

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Speaker 1: of his career. He's been an ass kicking winning player.

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Speaker 1: When you watch Jimmy Garoppolo, he's obviously benefited from being

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Speaker 1: on a good team, but he's not terrible. When you

776
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Speaker 1: watch Derek Carr, I think that's worthy argument. I understand

777
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Speaker 1: both sides. Derek's very talented. When Derek plays well, he

778
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: looks like a top ten quarterback. When he plays bad,

779
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 1: he's awful. So I think the key is to put

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Speaker 1: every quarterback when you're evaluating them for a contract in

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00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: a vacuum and just evaluate them. How good's the guy.

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Speaker 1: If you're a good quarterback, your team's gonna win. There

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00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: aren't many really good quarterbacks who always lose. Right now,

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Speaker 1: you could argue a lot of good quarterbacks or on

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Speaker 1: good organizations. Matt Stafford pretty good quarterback? Right? How good

786
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: he is? What's up for debate? Bad organization? But you

787
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: know they made the playoffs several times when he was

788
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: with the Lions, right, Like, is Gino Smith a good player?

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Speaker 1: Or did he benefit from playing on an offense that

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00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: had a star young running back in Kenneth Walker, DJ Metcalf,

791
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett two good young tackles. I don't know. You

792
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: know this is that's why sports arguments are entertaining. But like,

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Speaker 1: why have the Packers won for thirty years? Vet Brett Varvan,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. You know why did Peyton Manning win? Because

795
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Speaker 1: he's fucking Peyton Manning. He dominates. You. Put Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: with any team he's gonna win, right, Tom Brady, you

797
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: could have put him with you put them in the Lions.

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Speaker 1: This year the Lions are winning thirteen games, So quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: I hear, Yet it's not a winner. Lost at if

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Speaker 1: you have the worst defense of all time, your team's

801
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna struggle. But look at Justin Herbert. Over the last

802
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Speaker 1: two years, they've had been one of the worst run

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Speaker 1: defenses in the league. Last year of their defense was

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Speaker 1: pretty bad. This year got better the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season, and what they won ten games this year

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Speaker 1: And he's won nineteen games in two years, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's a big reason they win. His team wins, So

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Speaker 1: I kind of see it go both ways. Yo, bro,

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Speaker 1: do you think they may have been the Ravens medical

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Speaker 1: staff that has told the team something that makes them

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Speaker 1: not guarantee him as much money and that they just

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Speaker 1: put this type of tag on him so they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: hinder him getting money he could return as well. I'm

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Speaker 1: referring to Lamar. Yeah, I think we're over complicating this.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty simple business. I think they

816
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Speaker 1: know no team wants to trade two first round picks

817
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Speaker 1: and give him two hundred million dollars. So if me

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Speaker 1: or you ran the Ravens and we had drafted Lamar Jackson,

819
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Speaker 1: And like most people that have been around Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 1: they really like Lamar Jackson. He's a very likable guy.

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Speaker 1: His teammates like him. When he's on the field, He's

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Speaker 1: been really good. He's a type guy you feel great

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Speaker 1: about drafting, like once you make the pick. I mean,

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Speaker 1: at the time, I didn't feel great about drafting him,

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Speaker 1: but once you draft him, you're glad you have him,

826
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Speaker 1: and then he exceeds your expectations. But this is a business,

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Speaker 1: Like who am I competing against for his services? He's

828
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Speaker 1: not a true free agent, so I don't need to

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Speaker 1: bid against myself. Every team in the league can bid

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Speaker 1: for his services. Now, they just also have to give

831
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Speaker 1: two first round picks, and they're not doing it. So

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Speaker 1: I'd argue the Ravens are just making a prudent decision.

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Speaker 1: They are just being I think the media things that

834
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Speaker 1: like every just pay everybody. It's not possible, Like I

835
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Speaker 1: like paying premiums to really good players. Lamar is that,

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Speaker 1: But like, Lamar, what are you gonna do? Are you

837
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Speaker 1: just gonna wake this thing out? You're gonna be franchised

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00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: the next couple of years, because that's kind of feels

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Speaker 1: like where we're headed. Question for the mailbag. I'm a

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Speaker 1: professional track and field athlete, and I'm always frustrated by

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Speaker 1: my sports lack of foresight when it comes to things

842
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: like legalized gambling. Track could basically be human horse racing

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Speaker 1: as well as using digital broadcasting. If you're a commissioner

844
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Speaker 1: of a small sports league, what would you do to

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Speaker 1: try and grow it to a broader audience and expand

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Speaker 1: the revenue? Love the show bro from Idaho get a picture.

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Speaker 1: This guy looks like a track star. Ben appreciate the question.

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Speaker 1: You know, as someone that loves to gamble, never really

849
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Speaker 1: been that big into the ponies, not against the ponies,

850
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: like would gladly go to del Mar or the Kentucky

851
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: Derby or the Preakness or whatever. I've just never have.

852
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: So maybe part of it is just I've never been

853
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: a part of it. I do think the one thing

854
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: with horse racing is a little unique. Horse racing and

855
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: betting are just are synonymous, right. You go to the

856
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: track to gamble on the horses. You don't go to

857
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: the track for in the Olympics to gamble. Now, as

858
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: gambling has become legal, it obviously should become part of

859
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: the sport. But I think you read you read a

860
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: book based on the eighteen hundreds or the early nineteen

861
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: hundreds before, like the great depression. Horse racing and gambling.

862
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: It's like boxing and gambling. It's the easiest thing to

863
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 1: bet on who's gonna win the race, who's gonna win

864
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: the fight. But I think when it comes to like

865
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: Hussain Bold or whoever in the Olympics, it's kind of

866
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: an acquired taste. I see it with basketball and baseball.

867
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: It's like we could have in game betting will home

868
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: run be hit this inning, which in theory sounds great,

869
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: but the consumer is not wired to do this, where

870
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: in football we are wired to bet on one team

871
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: based on the point spread. In the other sports, it's

872
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: kind of an acquired taste. Like I hear what you're saying,

873
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: it's just humans racing, but it's not part of our mindset.

874
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: So I think part of it. Like, listen, gambling is

875
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: really big sports gambling is really big in this country

876
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: because of football. People are not gambling on basketball and

877
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: baseball anywhere close to what they do in the NFL.

878
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: So while you listen to this show, and you listen

879
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: to all these shows and they talk about gambling, the

880
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: proportion of the money that we that us gamblers bet

881
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: in the pipe chart is so high and taking up

882
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: so much space for the sport of football. We're not

883
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: betting these other sports, you know, like, and I get it.

884
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: People got to make a living and these companies do,

885
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: and I understand it, but most people are not betting

886
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: on some random game on Tuesday, a baseball game right now.

887
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: I get these people that do it for a living,

888
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: and you have these gambling companies. Got to talk about it,

889
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be hard to like, why why should I?

890
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, I guess I didn't

891
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: answer your question. I don't know how you do it

892
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: because at one point in time, Olympic sports, right, Bruce

893
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Jenner once was one of the most famous athletes in

894
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: America whenever he won, right whatever that was. It was

895
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six. I just think time's change. I

896
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: don't know if there's much you can do, but you

897
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: could argue there's definitely an upside. I don't know much

898
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: about track and field. I was slow, so I never

899
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: even participated. But like, I like golf, and I push

900
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: gambling on golf, but I gamble on golf, and it's

901
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: relatively easy to do. Every week there's an event you

902
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: can gamble on. Who gets top ten, who gets top twenty.

903
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: I guess a lot like racing. I don't know if

904
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: it's really possible, to be honest with you, to make

905
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: it that big. I think it really is pretty difficult

906
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: because one for you to be big. Part of the

907
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: reason horse racing in twenty twenty three is big because

908
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people watch the Kentucky Derby, Right, people,

909
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: there's a party around it. Right. A couple years ago

910
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: I went to a Kentucky Derby party in the Bay Area.

911
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: It was fun. Everyone dressed up, got wasted. It was cool.

912
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: So the gambling is built in, and then you built

913
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: we bet at the squares. You know, you got to

914
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: have buildin events, And I just think that's that's difficult.

915
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: Maybe you get famous people to push it. I think

916
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: part of it you gotta have some star power, you know,

917
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: could you get some really like Hussain Bolt became a

918
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 1: really big deal when I was a kid. I'll never

919
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: forget the ninety six Olympics and Michael Johnson and the

920
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: gold cleats? You know, can you get stars? Like why

921
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: don't we bet on tennis? Right? We should? Tennis should

922
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: be a very bettable sport. We need some more star power.

923
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: Federer is basically retiring. Djokovic is getting older. Rafa's getting older,

924
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: you know, Like, think about if gambling was big in

925
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: those guys hey day, gambling on Rafa versus Federer or

926
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: Federa versus Djokovic, or back in the day like Pete

927
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Sampras first Andre Agassi star power is big. That's a

928
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: long winded way. I don't even know if I answered

929
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: your question. I'm sorry if I didn't shows you, I'm not.

930
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm not meant to be the commissioner of the Track

931
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: and Field League, that's for sure. Well, Lamar Jackson play

932
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: the season on the non exclusive tag assuming no longer

933
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: deal gets done with Baltimore or some other team. If so,

934
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: what would just push this madness to the next offseason?

935
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: To me, it doesn't seem impossible to pull the plug

936
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: on Jackson and start over at quarterback. If I'm the Ravens,

937
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: they were able to win some games and get to

938
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs without him. One thing, If I'm the Ravens,

939
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: I think was the third string quarterback Anthony Richardson. Don't

940
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's his name, because that's the

941
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: quarterback at Florida's name, but he was the quarterback the

942
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: year before at Oregon, and obviously they're backup Tyler Huntley.

943
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: Those cases were not good in college. Like Tyler Huntley,

944
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: his stats aren't bad at Utah, but if you watch

945
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: Utah play like, there wasn't a soul that thought he

946
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 1: could be an NFL quarterback. And Richardson at Oregon was horrendous.

947
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: So if you're the Ravens, you're going, obviously we're really

948
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: good when we got Lamar, but we could be competitive

949
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: with random guys at quarterback. I don't think that bodes

950
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: well for Lamar from the Ravens standpoint. The landscape might

951
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: change between now and you're reading this for the mail bag,

952
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: but as of now, Rodgers hasn't been traded, but the

953
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: Jets are signing a bunch of his former teammates in

954
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: an effort to get Rodgers over. If he's playing fantasy,

955
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: GM thoughts, well, so far, it's just Alan Lazard, right,

956
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: and he even he said on Pat McAfee, like, Alan

957
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: Lazard's a good player, high character guy, hard worker, productive

958
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: player for a good team. So I don't think signing

959
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: Alan Lazard is that weird. Now, the Jets didn't really

960
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: need him. They got Elijah More, they got well Garrett Wilson,

961
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: they had Corey Davison her contract, so like that position

962
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: was pretty shored up for them. Now, if Aaron Rodgers

963
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: wants Alan Lazard and if that helps make him happy,

964
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: I would do it too. Now the Mercedes Lewis Randall Cobb,

965
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, we eventually got to draw the line and

966
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: the one thing and listen, I'm I defend Aaron Rodgers.

967
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: But Aaron never's like, yeah, you know, I might have

968
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: fucked up there. Yeah, you know, I might have I

969
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: might have overstepped there. He will never say that. It's

970
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: always like those idiots what schefter saying bullshit? It it

971
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: can't all be a lie, you know some of it sure,

972
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: but it can't all be It can't all just be

973
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: made up on Twitter. Some of this stuff has to

974
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: be true. And it doesn't feel like Aaron Rodgers ever

975
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: takes accountability. And I know some people thought, you know,

976
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: was he too arrogant saying he's arguably the greatest packer

977
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: of all time. I don't think that's that crazy of

978
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: a statement. If I before Aaron Rodgers existed, it'd be like,

979
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: who's the best packer of all time? You would have

980
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: Bean like Brett Farve. Well, Aaron Rodgers, I think we

981
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: all agree, is a better player than Brett Farve. So

982
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers better than Brett Farve. Like, who's the argument.

983
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: Reggie White, Well, for a long portion of Reggie White's

984
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: career he played for the Eagles. Now Bart Starr, we'd

985
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: have to get like Belichick, you know, Bill parselves to

986
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: talk some of that era. But I think of the

987
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: last like forty years, I don't even think it's close,

988
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, I really don't. Of course, Aaron Rodgers the

989
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: best player in the history of the franchise? Is it

990
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: arrogant to say I think that's true? Like if Peyton

991
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: Manning was like, you know, I think I'm the best

992
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: player in the history of the Colts, I got it's

993
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: an arrogant thing to say, Like, yeah, he's right. If

994
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan or Tom Brady said it, we'd all agree.

995
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: But like, where's the line of delineation that you're not

996
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: allowed to say it? Right? Could could Fred Warner say,

997
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think I'm better than Patrick Willis or

998
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 1: people like I don't know. Clearly some of these guys

999
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: believe it. That's the way they're wired. That's what they

1000
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: have to believe. This is the highest level is the NFL.

1001
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: So obviously Aaron Rodgers one of the best players ever,

1002
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of like really good players

1003
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: believed it, like, yeah, I'm better than that guy. That's

1004
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: I hope you're thinking that whoever you're competing against. I

1005
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: know I try to think that about myself. Doesn't mean

1006
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: there's also some insecurity behind it, but you also kind

1007
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: of have to believe it if you're gonna have some success. Okay,

1008
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: this is from Austin First time mailbag. Heard about you

1009
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: through Collins Podcast. Great listening. Appreciate you as a Panthers fan.

1010
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: Do you think that Frank was on board with the

1011
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: decision to move up to number one? Does he like CJ. Stroud?

1012
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: Stroud has the prototypical built If so, you believe the

1013
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: Panthers could somehow smokes Houston into trading up for number

1014
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: one to secure Bryce. If that is Houston's guy, thanks,

1015
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: I can't remember who I heard say this. It might

1016
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: have been Albert Brier. Someone just rattled off all the

1017
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks Franks coach, and the overwhelming majority of them. Now

1018
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: he's only been the head coach in Indie, but when

1019
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: he was a coordinator at multiple spots were really big

1020
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, Philip Rivers again, Matt Ryan,

1021
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz again, Nick Foles, Jacoby Brissette, Andrew Luck Like

1022
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: he likes big physical quarterbacks. Google Frank it's a big

1023
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: s ob. He's not a small guy. For the most part,

1024
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: when you meet a big guy in sports, they typically

1025
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: like other big players. Smaller guys might be more open

1026
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: minded to both body types. But if you're a big quarterback,

1027
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna like other big quarterbacks, right like John Elway

1028
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: or Peyton Manning. They are typically not going to go

1029
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: after short quarterbacks. Why they're big, elite like body types.

1030
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: So that's who they're going to be inclined to like

1031
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: because that's who they were. So I think most people

1032
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: feel that Frank who really nice guy. One thing I've

1033
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 1: heard is, you know, he's not a big, like take

1034
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: a stand guy. He'll kind of go with the flow.

1035
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: And just who's pushing this. I think it's fair to

1036
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: say the owner pushed this trade, Go get me a

1037
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: young star franchise quarterback. Now, did they have a guy

1038
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: that they traded up to get all reports seem to

1039
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: indicate that's not the case, So maybe they wanted to

1040
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: get up to figure out who they're gonna end up drafting,

1041
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: which see j Strout what's he like? Six three prototypical

1042
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: pocket quarterback who showed again in the Georgia game that

1043
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: he can move. And then the two kind of multible,

1044
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: big physical guys Anthony Richardson and Will Levis. So if

1045
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: my money would be on one of those three, not Bryson,

1046
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: then Bryce ends up with Houston John Hurt. People saying

1047
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: that the Jags are going to be a legitimate contender

1048
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: next year with twelve plus wins. I was wondering what

1049
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: your take on the Jags upcoming season. Well, I think

1050
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence took a massive step this year. So if

1051
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence goes from really good second year player to

1052
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,479
Speaker 1: pro bowler, just pulling up his stats. So last year's

1053
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: rookie year was a disaster. Urban Meyer twelve and seventeen

1054
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: under sixty percent. This year breakout year sixty six, twenty

1055
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: five touchdowns, eight interceptions. We'll think about next year. You

1056
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: add Calvin Ridley, you Christian Kirk is comfortable in the offense,

1057
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you add another running back to go with Etn

1058
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: if your defense improves him and Doug more on the

1059
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: same page. The division gets shittier. Tennessee's not going to

1060
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: be as good. Houston is still figuring things out that

1061
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: they're not very good. And who am I missing? Houston, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Indie.

1062
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they're kind of doing a rebuild. I don't

1063
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: think it's inconceivable they could be like a five win

1064
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: team in the division, right go five and one and

1065
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, maybe you're looking at eleven wins.

1066
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: I think every single human, including myself, is going to

1067
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: pick them to win the division. And I think a

1068
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: big reason why is they have the best quarterback in

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00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: the division. And it wasn't that long ago that we

1070
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: kind of universally agreed. Maybe there's some people listening to

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00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: this that didn't, but I would say universally in the

1072
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Speaker 1: NFL pundits talking about it. In the NFL college football,

1073
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence was an elite prospect and after year one

1074
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: it was ugly, but everyone shit under Meyern rightfully. So

1075
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: it turns out they were right because you put them

1076
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: with a real coach. The Kids is pretty good. And

1077
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Speaker 1: I think that playoff game. You know, you learn so

1078
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: much about someone when shit hits the fan. I don't

1079
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Speaker 1: care what you do for a living. When things are

1080
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: going well, everyone it's is going to be smiling, chest out.

1081
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Speaker 1: Some people are more cocky than others, some people more

1082
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: humble than others. But like, you can't really judge anyone

1083
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: when things are going well, but I definitely can judge

1084
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: you when things go wrong. You throw four picks in

1085
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: your first ever playoff game, like I would understand if

1086
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: you go into the tank. He didn't just not only

1087
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: go into the tank, he came out guns blazing through

1088
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. Maybe it was three touch I'm pretty sure

1089
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: it's four touchdowns. Yeah, maybe he ran for one and

1090
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: have the box score in front of me, but you

1091
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it was an incredible, incredible bounce

1092
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: back half honestly makes me believe in the kid more.

1093
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you told me, I think most people

1094
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: that evaluated him coming out and goes he could win

1095
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: an MVP in the NFL. Now, I don't think he's

1096
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: gonna win an MVP next year, but like he has

1097
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: that type upside and when you have a quarterback with

1098
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: that type upside, high character guy. I don't even think

1099
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be next year. I mean, I don't

1100
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: see why they can't sustain winning for a while. They

1101
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Speaker 1: got the quarterback, they got some talent around him. He's

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Speaker 1: got a draft well, and that was the one reason

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00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: that the forty nine ers under Trent Balky kind of

1104
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: fell apart. He didn't draft well. So if they can

1105
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: just draft well, they're not gonna go away. Appreciate everyone listening.

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Speaker 1: Have a great week. Golf podcast out on Wednesday, Another

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Speaker 1: podcast out Friday. Let's keep rocking and rolling. Peace the

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Speaker 1: volume