WEBVTT - 1. Vultures

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of years ago, I found a video buried

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<v Speaker 2>on the Internet, deep in the metadata behind the four

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<v Speaker 2>or four error codes. In it, a young black woman

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<v Speaker 2>is questioning a middle aged white guy who's sitting on

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<v Speaker 2>the edge of his bed drinking a beer.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you hear baiting on the door?

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<v Speaker 3>Talking at the door like they just shut it on

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<v Speaker 3>it or something.

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<v Speaker 2>The person they're talking about is my Teres Richardson, a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four year old black woman who disappeared in Malibu

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and nine and whose remains were discovered

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<v Speaker 2>there eleven months later. They're talking about the day of

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<v Speaker 2>her disappearance and.

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<v Speaker 3>Was above when I first started voice him.

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<v Speaker 4>By the time I got down, the love and kind

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<v Speaker 4>of curiosity kind of drugged me closer to the Facebook.

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<v Speaker 2>The interview is being shot vertical, seemingly on a cell phone,

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<v Speaker 2>with the guy taking up the whole frame. He looks

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<v Speaker 2>like an aging California golden boy with gray and blonde hair,

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<v Speaker 2>a tan and a barrel chest. He's relaxed, wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>sky blue Henley shirt tucked into a pair of camouflage shorts.

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<v Speaker 3>So I really couldn't see her face, but I could

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<v Speaker 3>see her shadow. It's.

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<v Speaker 2>While he says this, he gestures broadly, waving his big

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<v Speaker 2>paws around in the air.

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<v Speaker 4>The light of the knife, you know, with the light

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<v Speaker 4>of the front porch. She was screaming at something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was pretty loud, and I'm thinking, God, damn's.

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<v Speaker 3>For three of them. Mort What was she saying? She

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<v Speaker 3>was saying, God damn buddy.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yo, she was pitt or something, you know, something

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<v Speaker 4>to be with the people at the house. She was

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<v Speaker 4>angry and maybe they told her she had to read

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<v Speaker 4>get a call at police, and she was telling.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, you shun.

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<v Speaker 4>What he got.

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<v Speaker 2>Curious the scene was so out of place in this

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<v Speaker 2>quiet neighborhood, a young woman alone in the early morning hours,

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<v Speaker 2>shouting she might be in trouble, because I think.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if there's some dude there, I'm not gonna let

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<v Speaker 4>some dody here, you know, right, I wouldn't have hesitated

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<v Speaker 4>to walk on that property.

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<v Speaker 3>But since there wasn't, you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, and I couldn't see anybody else except for her,

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<v Speaker 4>or not really even her. Just she was angry something.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm kind of that would have been right there.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a good donald protected.

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<v Speaker 2>The interviewer. Her name's Raven Masterson. She made the video

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<v Speaker 2>sometime after my Terce's remains were found. Like so many people,

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted to figure out what happened to my trees

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<v Speaker 2>because the death of my Teres Richardson is Malibu's most horrifying, notorious,

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<v Speaker 2>and scandalous unsolved case. For fifteen years, my Teresa's story

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<v Speaker 2>has been shrouded in mystery. The scant clues have been

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<v Speaker 2>worked over a thousand times to no end. There's no resolution,

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<v Speaker 2>no satisfying explanation, and no one has been held accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>Many people blame the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department for

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<v Speaker 2>her death. Some take it farther, and this is how

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<v Speaker 2>Ravenlean's in the video. They even think a deputy may

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<v Speaker 2>have killed my Teres. My Rise was arrested at Jeoffrey's

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<v Speaker 2>Restaurant on Pacific Coast Highway on September sixteenth, two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine. She was released from Lost Hill Station at

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<v Speaker 2>twelve twenty five am on the seventeenth. After that, there

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<v Speaker 2>was one official sighting of her at six thirty am

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<v Speaker 2>in the backyard of a house in Montanito, a secluded

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood off Malibuqion. That's about six miles from the Lost

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<v Speaker 2>Hill Sheriff station. But the guy in the video, he

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<v Speaker 2>says he saw her too, two hours earlier at four

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<v Speaker 2>thirty am, making a commotion in the front yard of

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<v Speaker 2>that same house. Montaneito Mountain Nest. It's a tight knit

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<v Speaker 2>community in the shadow of the Santa Monica Mountains. Most

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<v Speaker 2>people in La don't even know it exists. It's got

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<v Speaker 2>creeks and horses and neighbors that have known each other

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<v Speaker 2>in some cases for generations. Kids run around barefoot. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a big Fourth of July parade and an annual square dance.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a place out of time. It feels like the

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<v Speaker 2>rustic Horsey California of the nineteen forties mixed with the

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<v Speaker 2>freewheeling party culture of the nineteen seventies. And it's got

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<v Speaker 2>none of the flash of coastal Malibise or the nearby

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<v Speaker 2>gated communities of Calabasas. This is California, so of course

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<v Speaker 2>there have been a couple of waves of gentrifiers. But

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<v Speaker 2>among the old timers, the people who practically homesteaded there

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<v Speaker 2>in the fifties, there's a distinct backwoods ingrown feeling, and

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<v Speaker 2>it bears mentioning The whole place is extremely white, with

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<v Speaker 2>one notable exception. Will Smith, one of the most famous

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<v Speaker 2>black men in America, owns an estate in Montanito. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he frequents the Square Dance or the

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<v Speaker 2>Fourth of July parade. It's hard to express how unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>it is that my trace would end up in this

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<v Speaker 2>isolated community. There isn't even a sign for Montanito on

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<v Speaker 2>Malibu Canyon. How would she even have known it was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven months after my Teres Richardson disappeared, park rangers checking

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<v Speaker 2>a known illegal pot grow found her remains in a

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<v Speaker 2>treacherous canyon above Montanito called Dark Canyon. During this time,

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<v Speaker 2>the Santa Monica Mountains were notorious for harboring large marijuana

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<v Speaker 2>operations run by organized crime syndicates. These massive grows were

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<v Speaker 2>often protected with armed guards who would camp out in

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<v Speaker 2>the canyons for extended periods. The rangers had disrupted a

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Canyon grow in July two thousand and nine, two

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<v Speaker 2>months before my Teres's disappearance. When they returned in August

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty ten, they didn't report any fresh signs of

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<v Speaker 2>pot growing activity, but there in the dormant grow were

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<v Speaker 2>the remains of a black woman. She was mostly bones,

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<v Speaker 2>a skeleton with small flaps of mummified skin remaining, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was naked. From the beginning, every aspect of the

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<v Speaker 2>case seemed off. What was wrong, how she was arrested,

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<v Speaker 2>how she was released, how she was searched for, how

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<v Speaker 2>her remains were discovered, how her remains were recovered, and

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<v Speaker 2>how her death was investigated. All of it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>a colossal screw up on the part of law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>starting with the Lost Hills cops and what the Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>department has said about the case over the years, it

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<v Speaker 2>just makes no sense. Their refrain, essentially is some cases

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<v Speaker 2>can't be solved. This is a Sheriff's spokesman three days

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<v Speaker 2>after my Teresa's body was found.

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<v Speaker 5>Homicide will continue their investigation. It's likely that we can

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<v Speaker 5>never find out exactly how she got there, but they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to do their very best to figure that.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're still saying my Teresa's death will always be

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<v Speaker 2>a mystery. But I don't accept that it's a stubborn, strange,

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<v Speaker 2>problematic case. But I do think it's solvable because someone

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<v Speaker 2>in that secluded, tight knit community of Montanito knows what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to her. I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost

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<v Speaker 2>Hills Season four, Dark Canyon, Episode one, Vultures. Right off

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<v Speaker 2>Pacific Coast Highway, across from the Malibu Lagoon, next to

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<v Speaker 2>the gas station, there's a small memorial. It's a rock

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<v Speaker 2>with a plaque on it, commemorating the life of a

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<v Speaker 2>man who was known as Malibu Jo. Malibujo was Jo Costello.

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<v Speaker 2>He was originally from Genoa, Italy, but starting in the

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<v Speaker 2>mid nineteen fifties, he became a beloved Malibu figure, riding

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<v Speaker 2>his bike slowly up and down pH in a fedora

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<v Speaker 2>and a baggy overcoat. In the summer of nineteen eighty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>he was beaten and left for dead in the only

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<v Speaker 2>under bushes where he lived, where the memorial is today.

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<v Speaker 2>He died a few days later. He was ninety six

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<v Speaker 2>years old. The Sheriff's department investigated, but the killing was

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<v Speaker 2>never solved, so no one was ever punished. Malibu Jo

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<v Speaker 2>died two decades before my Terse Richardson. The cases have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with one another except this. Both Joe

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<v Speaker 2>and my Trees show moments of rupture. They're both signs

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<v Speaker 2>that Malibu isn't what it seems. Malibu is not paradise, sunshine, nature, beauty, health, wealth,

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<v Speaker 2>and eternal youth. That's the myth. But if I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>one thing reporting here, it's that every seductive surface has

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<v Speaker 2>its dark side. The beauty is the danger. It makes

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<v Speaker 2>you let down your guard and believe in the fantasy.

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<v Speaker 2>The unspoiled wilderness hides unspeakable crimes, and a place like that,

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<v Speaker 2>a place like that breeds monsters. In the fall of

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, my Teresa's disappearance was all over

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<v Speaker 2>the local news.

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<v Speaker 6>The mystery unraveled on a September night in two thousand

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<v Speaker 6>and nine, right where the Pacific reached the shores of Malibu.

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<v Speaker 2>It all started when my Teres tried to leave Jeoffrey's,

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<v Speaker 2>a pricey restaurant on Pacific Coast high without paying her bill.

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<v Speaker 2>She was arrested and taken to Lost Hill station, about

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen miles away.

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<v Speaker 5>They contacted her mother, who said that she will pick

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<v Speaker 5>her up in the morning.

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<v Speaker 7>If you will keep her there. Deputy said, we will.

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<v Speaker 2>But instead of staying at the station, my Teres walked

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<v Speaker 2>out into the Malibu night. Her car was at a

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<v Speaker 2>tow yard near pch with her belongings inside.

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<v Speaker 4>She was released at twelve thirty a m no wallet,

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<v Speaker 4>no cell phone, no credit cards, no car.

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<v Speaker 2>She was gorgeous and charismatic, and as would later come out,

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<v Speaker 2>she was in the midst of a mental health crisis.

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<v Speaker 7>A beauty contestant and honor student, and now a missing person.

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<v Speaker 2>According to her mom, she had no street savvy whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 2>and she didn't know Malibu at all.

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<v Speaker 7>My Teres Richardson walked out of a Los Angeles County

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<v Speaker 7>Sheriff's office and into a mystery that continues to baffle investigators.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the mystery became a horror.

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<v Speaker 4>Eleven months later, the twenty four year old college graduates.

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<v Speaker 5>Remains were found here in Dark Canyon. She was naked

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<v Speaker 5>and partially mummified. They discovered a skull, they discovered a pelvis,

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<v Speaker 5>and they discovered a lake on just bones. They determined officially, unequivocally,

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<v Speaker 5>and unfortunately, it was my Terce Richardson.

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<v Speaker 1>Corners Officials haven't determined the cause of death, and they

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<v Speaker 1>say Richardson's body was in the canyon for more than

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<v Speaker 1>six months.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever happened in Dark Canyon remains in the moment a

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<v Speaker 4>dark secret.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been fifteen years since my trace disappeared, fourteen years

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<v Speaker 2>since her remains were found, and there's been no progress

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<v Speaker 2>on her case. There's no sign that law enforcement is

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<v Speaker 2>actively working on it. But it's not a cold case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a quote active criminal investigation, which means the Sheriff's

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<v Speaker 2>department doesn't have to share information. And believe me, they

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<v Speaker 2>take that very seriously. They do not like to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this case. In the midst of their silence, a

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<v Speaker 2>sinister narrative has taken hold in the public imagination that

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<v Speaker 2>the La County Sheriff's Department, specifically the Lost Heils cops,

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<v Speaker 2>are behind my Teres's death. They deny this, but the

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<v Speaker 2>idea lives on in a new generation of true crime

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<v Speaker 2>TikTokers and YouTubers. Welcome to another episode of Murder, Mystery

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<v Speaker 2>and Makeup Monday.

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<v Speaker 6>Today's story was about Matrise Richardson.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of feels like that they were hiding something.

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<v Speaker 6>The police work in this case was off long.

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<v Speaker 4>Is this incompetence or cover up?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean they originally were trying to hide the fact

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<v Speaker 6>that they had security footage.

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<v Speaker 5>The previous captain was in on it and promoted for

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<v Speaker 5>his cover up job.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe that Maturse Richardson was murdered and it was

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<v Speaker 7>covered up by the La County Sheriff's office.

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<v Speaker 2>We know the cops took my trees to the station,

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<v Speaker 2>and the cops let her go in the dark. This

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<v Speaker 2>part is true, undisputed fact. And then what how did

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<v Speaker 2>she get from the station to Montanito six miles away?

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<v Speaker 2>How did she end up in dark canyon? Why was

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<v Speaker 2>she naked? And what happened to her missing bones?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's one more undisputed fact. While most of my

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<v Speaker 2>Teresa's bones were eventually accounted for, discovered in the canyon's

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<v Speaker 2>heavy leaf litter, an important one has not been found,

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<v Speaker 2>the fragile bone above the larynx that often breaks when

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<v Speaker 2>a person is strangled. My Terce Richardson's death is not

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<v Speaker 2>officially a homicide. The autopsy reads, quote, while there is

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<v Speaker 2>no evidence of antimortem trauma to the bones or the

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<v Speaker 2>limited amount of tissue accompanying them, in the absence of

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<v Speaker 2>internal viscera, internal injury cannot be completely ruled out and quote,

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<v Speaker 2>in the absence of suitable specimens for toxicology testing, the

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<v Speaker 2>possibility of fatal substance abuse cannot be ruled out, and

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<v Speaker 2>quote death due to exposure, snake bite, pneumonia, or other

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<v Speaker 2>natural diseases also cannot be ruled out. Therefore, quote both

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<v Speaker 2>cause and manner of death remain undetermined. Unquote Hello, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Dana Danah, nice to meet to meet. I'm at the

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<v Speaker 2>home of Lisa Shinan. She's the forensic pathologist who conducted

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<v Speaker 2>the autopsy of my Terce's remains. She's also one of

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<v Speaker 2>the world's foremost authorities on roller coasters.

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<v Speaker 6>That is my big hobby, that collecting butterflies.

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<v Speaker 2>Her house, a normal looking suburban house in Redondo Beach,

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<v Speaker 2>is basically a natural history museum. So do you capture

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<v Speaker 2>them in a net and then pick a loup shadow box?

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<v Speaker 2>Frames filled with specimens are stacked in every corner.

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<v Speaker 6>There's something called a killing jar which you can make.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a jar that has a plaster of Paris base

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<v Speaker 6>and then you pour in. You can use cyanide when

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<v Speaker 6>you screw the cap on. It's a closed environment and

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<v Speaker 6>it makes fumes that kill the butterfly, basically put it

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<v Speaker 6>to sleep in seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Shinen worked for the La County Coroner's Office for

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four years or I was.

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<v Speaker 6>A deputy medical examiner at the La County Coroner's Office,

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<v Speaker 6>now retired.

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<v Speaker 2>She worked on a lot of high profile cases. She

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<v Speaker 2>did the autopsies on the musicians Elliott Smith, a notorious big.

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<v Speaker 6>My autopsied Steve Allen, Doctor nor from the Killing Fields,

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<v Speaker 6>Brittany Murphy, Brian Keith.

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<v Speaker 2>That goes back away, but my Teresa's case stands out.

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<v Speaker 6>There are over the years some cases that do stick

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<v Speaker 6>with me because of the circumstances of the case. There

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<v Speaker 6>were so many unknowns. I mean, every time I've been

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<v Speaker 6>near Malibu, I'd start thinking of, oh, geez, this is

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<v Speaker 6>where my race was, and this is just such a

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<v Speaker 6>tragic case.

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<v Speaker 2>But she knew at the start was very basic. A

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<v Speaker 2>few scattered pieces of clothing and a human skeleton had

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<v Speaker 2>been found in an inaccessible canyon in Malibu. The autopsy

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<v Speaker 2>report details the pieces of my Teresa's clothing that were

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<v Speaker 2>recovered from their remain site. One navy blue or black

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<v Speaker 2>padded bra two pink narrow belt, medium large alligator skin pattern,

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<v Speaker 2>three blue jeans US size twenty nine, dirty empty pockets.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd been wearing a bob Marley T shirt and a

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<v Speaker 2>pair of vans when she left Lost Hill station. She

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<v Speaker 2>also had her California driver's license on her. Those items,

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<v Speaker 2>along with her hat and her keys, were missing.

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<v Speaker 6>I had the investigator's report. This particular investigator's report was

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<v Speaker 6>very straightforward. It said somebody from law enforcement was checking

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<v Speaker 6>an area in a remote canyon and found the bones

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<v Speaker 6>and the clothing, and the clothing was about one hundred

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<v Speaker 6>feet away from the skeleton. You know, that's very limited information,

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<v Speaker 6>and sometimes we have two or three pages of information,

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<v Speaker 6>but not so in this case. So the first thing

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<v Speaker 6>you do is you lay everything out in anatomical order

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<v Speaker 6>and count what you've got. It was a nearly complete skeleton.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't in an intact skeleton, and that everything was connected.

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<v Speaker 6>There were a lot of disarticulated bones, but there were

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<v Speaker 6>some areas or certain blocks, like some parts of the

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<v Speaker 6>lower extremities parts of some of the upper extremities were

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<v Speaker 6>held together by a minimal amount of soft tissue.

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<v Speaker 2>The soft tissue was mostly skin that had been mummified.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, mummification is a process. It can be accidental. If

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<v Speaker 6>you have a body in a very dry, hot environment,

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<v Speaker 6>the liquid essentially disappears, and what you get is this

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<v Speaker 6>very leathery, rigid skin, sometimes some soft tissue. Usually the

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<v Speaker 6>internal organs don't mummify, so it's mostly the skin muscle

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<v Speaker 6>tendons at that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a few small marks on some of the

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<v Speaker 2>bones the work. Doctor Shinen thought of animals scavenging the remains.

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<v Speaker 6>The toes of the left foot were missing, and that

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<v Speaker 6>was consistent with animal activity.

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<v Speaker 2>But otherwise the bones were intact.

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<v Speaker 6>We look for things like fractures, which would usually mean

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<v Speaker 6>some sort of a blunt force impact. We would look

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<v Speaker 6>for any evidence of a gunshot wound, or a stabbing.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't see any evidence of a physical traumatic injury.

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<v Speaker 2>There was also no way to tell if my trees

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<v Speaker 2>had been sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 6>Without soft tissue, there's really nothing that you can do

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<v Speaker 6>or see, and sperm doesn't last.

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<v Speaker 2>Without internal organs. There was no way to tell if

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<v Speaker 2>she had overdosed.

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<v Speaker 6>She wasn't found with cocaine, with amphetamine, heroin, anything like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Shouldn't really have a history of that type of thing,

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<v Speaker 6>But again without being able to do an accurate test,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a small amount of leg muscle. Doctor Shinan

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<v Speaker 2>sent it in for toxicology, and that report came back inconclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as my Trees's remains were discovered, law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>began suggesting that my Trees, experiencing a mental health episode,

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<v Speaker 2>had probably wandered into Dark Canyon by herself and died

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<v Speaker 2>from exposure, dehydration, venom, or something. Her death, they implied,

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<v Speaker 2>was tragic but natural. I asked doctor Shinen about the

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<v Speaker 2>natural causes theory.

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<v Speaker 6>In this particular case. There's several possibilities. There are rattlesnakes there.

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<v Speaker 6>She could have been bitten by a rattlesnake. There's also

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<v Speaker 6>a fire ants. She could have had a severe allergic

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<v Speaker 6>reaction to something. There's poison oak there. That's horrible. It's everywhere,

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<v Speaker 6>and some people are more sensitive than others.

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<v Speaker 2>But why would the skeleton be naked. My Trees's broad

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<v Speaker 2>belt and jeans were found hundreds of feet from the skeleton,

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<v Speaker 2>and the belt was no longer on the jeans. A

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<v Speaker 2>seasonal stream, Dark Creek runs through the canyon, and cops

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<v Speaker 2>suggested that a flashed flood could have removed her clothes,

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<v Speaker 2>carrying them downstream. The winter my Trese was missing was

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<v Speaker 2>a rainy one. But even so, it takes a real

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<v Speaker 2>contortion of logic to imagine a flood could strip a

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<v Speaker 2>body naked and remove a belt from a pair of pants.

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<v Speaker 6>Usually, when we have a person who's dead with their

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<v Speaker 6>clothes on, the clothes will stay on. Even if the

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<v Speaker 6>body mummifies, the clothes are going to stay on. Water

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<v Speaker 6>might wash off socks or something like that, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>not going to completely undress a body.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Shinen raised different natural explanation for my Trees's nudity hypothermia.

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<v Speaker 6>There's something that happens with extreme cold cold, paradoxical undressing. Normally,

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<v Speaker 6>when you're cold, your blood vessels will constrict to try

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<v Speaker 6>to keep the blood more central in the body. Well,

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<v Speaker 6>what happens with paradoxical undressing is there is a reflex

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<v Speaker 6>dilatation of these blood vessels. So all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 6>you get this rush of nice, warm blood into these

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<v Speaker 6>areas that were previously cold, and people who were probably

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit out of it by this point think,

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<v Speaker 6>oh my gosh, it's so warm, I'm too hot, and

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<v Speaker 6>they take their clothes off. However, that tends to happen

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<v Speaker 6>more often in extreme cold, where there's snow.

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<v Speaker 2>In mid September two thousand and nine, the average overnight

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<v Speaker 2>low at the weather recording station nearest to Dark Canyon

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<v Speaker 2>was in the mid sixties, and.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure it would get cold enough up in

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<v Speaker 6>the Care Canyon for that to happen, But it's just

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<v Speaker 6>something to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, there's another possible explanation, foul play.

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<v Speaker 6>There are sinister reasons for the person not having their

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<v Speaker 6>their clothes on. I mean, could she have been sexually

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<v Speaker 6>assaulted and they just took her clothes off and left

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<v Speaker 6>them off. Who knows. It's certainly a real possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about the missing clothing.

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<v Speaker 6>And also the fact that it was an incomplete set

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<v Speaker 6>of clothes and none of the additional items of clothing

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<v Speaker 6>were ever found, and including shoes, which I think have

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<v Speaker 6>a little more weight than other clothing.

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<v Speaker 2>As with everything about my Teresa's case, the story of

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<v Speaker 2>her remains is a story of absences, gaps, and guesses.

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<v Speaker 2>A forensic pathologist works by process of elimination, but was

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<v Speaker 2>so little hard evidence it was difficult to rule out anything.

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<v Speaker 6>So the fact that I didn't see any trauma in

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<v Speaker 6>the bones doesn't mean trauma didn't happen. It's always possible

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<v Speaker 6>that a gunshot wound can go through and through a

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<v Speaker 6>body without hitting bone, same thing for a stab wound.

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<v Speaker 6>What's also possible is asphyxia or a manual strangulation or

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<v Speaker 6>maybe you know, choked with a rope. The reason people

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<v Speaker 6>die when they're strangled is you're cutting off the blood

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<v Speaker 6>flow to the brain. We're looking for things that reflect

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<v Speaker 6>the fact that you are compressing neck structures.

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<v Speaker 2>In the autopsy report, there's a list of missing bones.

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<v Speaker 2>Some bones from the hand, the left toes, presumably scavenged

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<v Speaker 2>by animals, the tailbone, the zyphoid process at the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of the sternum, and a thin, fragile neck bone called

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<v Speaker 2>the hyoid.

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<v Speaker 6>The hyoid bone is the only floating bone in the body.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not attached to any other bone. It sits a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit above the thyroid cartilage, and it's essentially there

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<v Speaker 6>as a base of muscle attachment.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of its shape and position in the body, a

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<v Speaker 2>broken hyoid can provide clear evidence of strangulation for a

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<v Speaker 2>forensic pathologist. It's a very significant bone.

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<v Speaker 6>And what's important about it is it's a U shaped

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<v Speaker 6>bone with the projections heading towards the back of the neck.

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<v Speaker 6>So if it's compressed from both sides, which is what

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<v Speaker 6>happens when you have a strangulation. Case with manual strangulation

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<v Speaker 6>is that you're putting pressure on the wings of the

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<v Speaker 6>hyoid bone and a can fracture. The thing with the

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<v Speaker 6>hyoid is if you found it and it was broken,

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<v Speaker 6>you could say, aha, this person was strangled.

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<v Speaker 2>But like the missing clothing and her id, my Teresa's

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<v Speaker 2>hyoid bone was never found. Doctor Shinen says my Teresa's

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<v Speaker 2>case could still be resolved with new evidence. The coroner

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<v Speaker 2>could change the cause of death from undetermined.

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<v Speaker 6>If there was foul play involved, someone could confess. You

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<v Speaker 6>never know, could be deathbed confession. Maybe they'll raid somewhere

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<v Speaker 6>someplace and they'll find pictures of her. Anything is possible.

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<v Speaker 6>They could just investigate the right person at the right time.

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<v Speaker 6>Sometimes killers will save souvenirs that can be recognized as

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<v Speaker 6>something from the person. Anything like that could happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything could happen, including this. Someone who knows something could

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<v Speaker 2>decide they've kept the secret for too long. My Teresa's

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<v Speaker 2>movements on September seventeenth, two thousand and nine, are mostly unknown.

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<v Speaker 2>After she was released from Lost Hil Station at twelve

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five am. She somehow made her way six miles

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<v Speaker 2>to Montanito in the dark. The next morning, around six

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<v Speaker 2>thirty am, she was spotted there in the backyard of

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<v Speaker 2>a house at the bottom of Cold Canyon Road.

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<v Speaker 1>And I saw somebody sitting on the top step of

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<v Speaker 1>the six railroad ties that we have in the backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>I called David, said are you okay? And the answer

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<v Speaker 1>was I thought yes, resting on And by the time

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<v Speaker 1>we were around to the other window.

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<v Speaker 2>He was gone. That's Karen Smith speaking in an ABC

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<v Speaker 2>seven documentary about my Teres's disappearance. Karen's house is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a landmark in the neighborhood because it has a

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<v Speaker 2>tennis court out front. Her husband, Bill Smith, who died

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen, was a reporter on KTLA, a local

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<v Speaker 2>TV news station. The Smith's called the cops, and later

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<v Speaker 2>deputies confirmed that the woman who'd been in the backyard

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<v Speaker 2>was my Terce. That's the one official sighting of my

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<v Speaker 2>Terce Richardson after she left Lost Hill Station. But then

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<v Speaker 2>there's the other story, the unofficial story, the one the

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<v Speaker 2>guy on the edge of his bed told Raven in

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<v Speaker 2>the lost interview.

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<v Speaker 3>It was four thirty in the morning. I'm coming down

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<v Speaker 3>off my mountain, my little higher. So where do you live? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>right down the street. I've lived in Lonlino all my life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my folks live here.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says he was heading down into the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>from his spot on the mountain in the early morning hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Come down four to thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>And because I left about four fifteen for my spot,

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<v Speaker 4>tis by that ten minutes seventeen minutes seat down and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm coming down and there's that well almost step with

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<v Speaker 4>bluff in Cold Canyon, and it was a right with

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<v Speaker 4>bluff and Cold Canyon, and there's a house with a

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<v Speaker 4>tennis court right there and as a as a big

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<v Speaker 4>horseshoe driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Smith's house.

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<v Speaker 3>Looking up on the internet because the guy gave a statement, but.

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<v Speaker 2>His story and the Smith's story they're really different. The

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<v Speaker 2>time where my Trase was on the property, they don't

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<v Speaker 2>line up.

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<v Speaker 4>They found her in the backyard talking to herself, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know when she wasn't in the backyard, and I

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<v Speaker 4>thought she was in the front door, but I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And in his account, she wasn't quietly resting. She was

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<v Speaker 2>audibly distressed.

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<v Speaker 3>But I could hear his scream. I could teuch you

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<v Speaker 3>black is by her withdraw Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>The intonation in your voice.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that black people lived in want Neo.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says he decided to hang out just to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure she was safe.

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<v Speaker 4>Stayed there for about thirty seconds, and I said, come

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit of fight of this right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But when she didn't seem to be in danger, he

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<v Speaker 2>figured he should move along.

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<v Speaker 3>She was scaraming enough, did I go over the couse

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<v Speaker 3>going to be here? I better get out of here.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wasn't home.

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<v Speaker 2>The woman, he says, was a total stranger to him

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. He didn't know she was about to

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<v Speaker 2>become a household name.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh so.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I didn't think much of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't know that she did be harassed. Oh it

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<v Speaker 4>was the same night, you know, a certain stance of

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<v Speaker 4>the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't know that deputies and search parties with horses,

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<v Speaker 2>drones and dogs, we're going to be pouring into sleepy

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<v Speaker 2>little Montanito looking for her, This young woman who was

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<v Speaker 2>not from Malibu, who he thought didn't really fit in

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<v Speaker 2>there there.

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<v Speaker 3>I go, huh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't think much about it until like two leagues later,

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<v Speaker 4>when all this came on my news.

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<v Speaker 3>You know why worked the wood.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though he didn't know any of that, he knew

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<v Speaker 2>something out of the ordinary had happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I told my land on the next morning, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>what I like to be able to vouad last night.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing that happened, he saw the vultures, so

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<v Speaker 2>many vultures. Vultures are a fact of life in Montanito,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was more than he'd ever seen before, more

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<v Speaker 2>than he could count.

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<v Speaker 4>But so I just hear this a couple days later,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I hear that she's missing and that worked

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<v Speaker 4>the wood. All this stuff's going on, like sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>hing my Like two days later, I see and I've

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<v Speaker 4>seen a lot of vultures in my life. I lived

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<v Speaker 4>after fifty years, right right, never.

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<v Speaker 3>Seen one hundred vultures it swoop, that's I seem like

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<v Speaker 3>a thousand of them, you know what I mean. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never seen that.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, So when did you see this? I saw this

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<v Speaker 4>like two days after she was missing, maybe four days

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<v Speaker 4>after she was missing.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I thought to myself, you know, because i.

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<v Speaker 4>Haven't got through all my life, and I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like a trapper, okay, a mountain right like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I wondered what they doing up there.

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<v Speaker 4>You know there's something dead out there, you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 4>there's that many poultures.

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<v Speaker 2>This story of the Montanito lifer who saw my trees

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<v Speaker 2>the morning of her disappearance, it's not out there. The

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<v Speaker 2>recording and all the new information in it got buried

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<v Speaker 2>under so much other information, so much missing conspiracy theories,

0:34:11.636 --> 0:34:16.796
<v Speaker 2>dead ends lies. It was lost in the leaf litter

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<v Speaker 2>detritus of the internet. But it's kind of like that

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<v Speaker 2>hyoid bone, tiny and super significant because this ordinary guy,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on the edge of his bed, drinking a beer,

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<v Speaker 2>telling a story, he makes what is probably the single

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<v Speaker 2>most important statement of any witness in this case.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Any of the facts except for that the constant eye

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<v Speaker 4>was the last one to see her lie.

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<v Speaker 2>If he was the last one to see her alive,

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<v Speaker 2>did he know something about her death? This season on

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<v Speaker 2>Lost Hills, I know.

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<v Speaker 5>One of them officers had something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like when I've seen a nose.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, damn, that's crazy, because I was like

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<v Speaker 1>in a sale with this woman.

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<v Speaker 6>She said they actually followed her after she left.

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<v Speaker 2>You think you heard someone talking about how the deputy

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<v Speaker 2>could give her a ride somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was a male deputy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna murder anybody. It's going to be a cop.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I had to sleep in front of my

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<v Speaker 5>kid's door because of people coming to kill my kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I was dating her at the time, and she ended

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<v Speaker 2>up going missing, and I was questioned.

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<v Speaker 4>By LA Homicide as a possible suspect for her disappearance.

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<v Speaker 4>And then one of the other guys came in and said,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you know about my trees? He knew exactly

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<v Speaker 4>where she was, which gives me the chills.

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<v Speaker 5>Imagine if this was your kid that was swept up

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<v Speaker 5>and put in.

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<v Speaker 3>A box like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Lost Tails Season four, Dark Canyon is written and hosted

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<v Speaker 2>by Me Dana Goodyear. It was reported by me and

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<v Speaker 2>Haley Fox, our senior producer. The show was created by

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<v Speaker 2>me and Ben Adair. Lost Tails is a production of

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