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Like 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.800 for instance, first off, as a correction, that Sam Houston 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.680 did not die at the Alamo. We're conversing about this 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.880 the other day on the show, and we were we're 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.760 talking about, like, who didn't didn't die at the Alamo? 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.840 How Davy Crockett. There's a rumor that Davy Crockett did 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.800 not go down and uh, you know, in a valiant 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.440 fashion and actually surrendered at the Alamo and was executed. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:10.600 And someone I don't want to name names, someone speculator 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.160 or suggested that Sam Houston might have died at the Alamo, 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:22.400 and a lot of very angry Texans m hmm. This 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:29.560 guy whose name is Sam from Texas, the USA says, uh, 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.960 he did not, in fact die at the Alamo. He 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.400 was not at the Alamo. He was the general of 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.200 the Texas Army. It was not the Alamo. He gets 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.560 fired up. Since Sam Houston then went on to a 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.639 career in the Texas legislature as a governor of Texas 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.200 at the time of succession from the Union to the Confederacy, 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.040 and he refused to pledge allegiance to the Confederacy was 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:56.560 removed from the Governor's office. Sam Houston National Forest he 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.800 died due there and is now named after him. And 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.400 this guy says, speaking permissions, we have plenty permissions in 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:07.360 Texas if you want to come hunt now. Try to 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.800 relate to that. Imagine the trouble of trying to relate 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.280 that to this. Another guy writes in to say he's 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.120 all worked up. Um, no, this is about dirt. This 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.560 is I get that in a minute. He's all worked 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.520 up about us, saying someone speculating that the wolves in 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:28.840 Washington state had rolled in from Yellowstone, but Idaho had 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:33.080 two reintroductions ninety six and the Frank Church. And he 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.720 says that it probably makes the help a lot more 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.440 sense that the wolves coming into Washington are coming out 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:40.360 of BC and originating from the Frank Church reintroductions. Yeah, 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.600 I'm surprised, he says that. He he says, and he 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.760 ought to know best because he was the wolf biologist 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.160 in Idaho now runs timber to table guide service. What's 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.000 that you know. I'm surprised we mixed that up because 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.680 I thought that we've like talked to people that have 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.920 said that exact thing on the podcast about those Washington 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.920 wolves coming from Idaho, and BC didn't know another one 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:04.720 real quick. This guy goes on, This guy has a 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:09.560 beef with me, saying that, uh, the introduction of fossil 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.640 fuels is what saved whales because the market for whale 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.280 oil collapsed. He goes down to say, that's a bunch 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.600 of bullshit. He says, didn't The peak whaling was the 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.279 nineteen sixties, not the eighteen sixties. He said, in the 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:30.240 nineteen sixties, almost seven hundred thousand large whales were harvested commercially, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:37.840 and then shows like Flipper, the album of Whales Singing, Um, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.760 some other stuff all came. Kind of whales got real zekegusty, ZEITGEISTI, 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:45.599 and came the Marine Mammal Protection Act. So don't be 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:49.200 talking about fossil fuels and what electricity saving whales. He says, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.120 that's what did it, And he also likes to point 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.200 out how effective that was because he says the blue 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:57.520 whales along the coast of California are now at ninety 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.600 seven percent of their carrying capacity. This guy is a 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.840 PhD salmon biologist. He says, he hopes I'm right about 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.480 pebble mind. Finally, the last little unrelated thing that I 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:10.920 want to talk about it. But here's where I'm gonna 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.560 try to pull off some slick segways. Um dirt YEP. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.719 A guy wrote in wanting you to know that there's 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.719 a um, there's a dip that has no tobacco in it, 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.080 and he thinks that you ought to be using it, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.599 and um, let me see if he has any extra 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:34.760 information about it. No, he just thinks you ought to 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:40.359 using tobacco free dip. I've tried that. Oh yeah, black 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:48.080 buffalo tobacco free dip like herbs and uh yeah, you 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:53.760 like herbs in other situations, yeah, but you believe in herbs. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:59.880 I do, but not and tein shirts are trump by 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.359 nicotine at all costs. When you're addicted. It's just that hook, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.480 you know. But like, I know, but tobacco free dip 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.680 probably has the nicotine, right, No, oh it doesn't know, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.000 because I was thinking that guy saying, like if a 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.960 dude was saying I'm addicted to uh, or like I'm 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.720 getting all facts that drink too much beer, and then 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:24.880 someone would say, oh, drink ever clear, because then you're 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.200 getting the thing you're addicted to without all the stuff 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.679 that's giving you the problems you're having. Or like Cow said, 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.000 lacroise are the placebo beer, so the fizzy, but it 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.599 helps you get away from it. So you have no 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.760 interest in taking this guy's advice and trying. No, I 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:43.279 appreciate it, but I've down that ruffalo dip free dip. 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:48.719 They need to market that different black buffalo. I don't know. Yeah, 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.839 can I ask a cup more questions? Oh? Yeah, because 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.760 he's watched this segue. Earlier we were talking about corrections 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.640 and you usually had your eye your vision corrected. Um, 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:00.760 you talked about that. Touch on that, because now you're 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:03.279 like a game spot and something. I'll tell you a 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.120 sense I never thought I would say in my whole 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.960 entire life, and that's this dirt glassed up a buck 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.600 that I just got. Which if you'd asked me a 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.920 year ago, if I would ever say that sentence, I 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.360 would have said, it's impossible. You said, not unless he 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:21.120 has some crazy surgery on his eyes or he got 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.480 LASI and he says he got the Game I Special package. 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.800 It was a bonus off. So what's it like. It's 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:29.000 like being born again, but not really spiritually well I 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.920 think it puts me back to the like the standard 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.600 playing field. I was hindered prior with the glasses. Now 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:39.520 I can see just as the average man. So what's 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.240 it like to glass now that you can see? I 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:44.200 do like you enjoy it? Yeah, it's the way. It's 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.560 definitely way more satisfying because I can I can see 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.400 those tiny little you know, great ghost because you're into 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.440 it now. Oh yeah, I always have been. I wanted 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.520 to actually, since we're on the topic, because you brought 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.280 that up. This trip taking out the filming aspect too, 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.240 was a big are that. Even though Stills is engaging, 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.360 like being able to like, you know, pick and shoes, 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:07.520 that was a big part to be able to gas. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.000 I always want to glass with you guys, But he 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.160 takes skills. He does motion claims to have that love 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:17.520 and the potion exactly. And today I or this trip. 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:19.320 I gotta cut out the film and so I got 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.920 a glass more with you guys and gotta see. Oh 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:24.360 I loved it. I will say, though, that spot in 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.160 that buck had nothing to do with my with my 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.400 glass and skills, just a matter of tenacity, just looking 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:36.360 a shotgun effect, just like oh maybe I'll look over 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.480 that way for a minute. Also, yeah, yeah, so it 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:43.520 is nice. No, it's six Yeah, it's extremely satisfying. The 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.880 glass glass up a critter, and I can see it is. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.800 There is a big difference now with the lace that 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.280 being able to look through the buyos. Can I see 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.559 one last question and then we'll move on. Um. A 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.719 minute ago, I was asking Dirt about his feelings on 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:02.080 de ordering. He doesn't like to wear it, but he 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.080 was pointing out not that he has like some hippie 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.760 dippy aversion to illuminum which drives a lot of people 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.080 to smelliness, but that and he says it's laziness. But 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.120 I pointed out that he's the least lazy guy I know, 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.520 And he said, because he has priorities, yeah, in life, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.120 and he focuses on the things that matter and putting 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.520 the older on his on that list. Yeah, and the 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.880 cost the cost efficiency of that too. But before that's 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:30.559 that's a lie, because before six months, because before a 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.280 guy suggests that Dirt try a different kind of tobacco, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.720 and Dirt says, I have a good job. I use cope. No, 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.800 it is the thing. Yeah, it's just one less thing 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.200 to clutter up your day. To day like routine. Yeah, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.000 and that I'm lucky that, uh, you know, the gal 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.520 I live with doesn't mind my musk like it. I 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:53.920 don't know if that's the case, but she doesn't mind it, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:55.599 so I get away with it. We started thinking that 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:01.400 dirt's like a subspecies of halina. Ho you didn't have, like, 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:03.760 I just want to add to that because the other 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.400 thing that you sort of remove I think for daily efficiency, 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.040 which kind of irks me a little bit, is your 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.040 lack of watch. Oh yeah, but you'd like to know 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:15.760 what time it is. I love to know what time 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.520 it is. But I just sassy. But I don't know why. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.280 Well that is it is a hippi. You have a 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.360 hippie different reasons. And I have a watch. You were 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.560 born you were born on a cattle ranch. No, I'm 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.240 Miles City, Montana. I've tried watches and they throw off. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.000 They like make my arm hurt. I don't know if 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:41.120 it's I don't know if electron really Yeah, so it 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:45.080 throws up. Yeah, you should wear one on each wrist 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.520 so you just be imbalanced, like in the force. When 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.640 you're wearing exactly, it disturbs my my charge, my positive 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:58.320 or name with I just yeah, it hurts my wrist. Yeah, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.959 so that's an another thing I don't have to purchase. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.880 I guess Dirt Night just called in a couple of 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.679 kyles just to look at him. Not many guys do that. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.600 Late afternoon too, I mean fairly warm and sunny. He 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:13.320 was twenty yards away. That was really cool. I'm gonna 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:14.640 move away from you now, Is that all right? I 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:16.240 mean I was just saying to move off the topic 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.840 of you just as a person, I want to introduce 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.160 other people all as well. Yeah, I'd like take a 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.920 minute first of welcome you guys to me in Yanni's 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:29.840 hotel room. It's nice, isn't it. It's gonna wrap around couch. Yeah. Um, 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.439 John Snow, can you can you explain yourself? Oh man, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.360 I've been trying to do that for years. Yeah, I 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.280 mean in that way now, I work it Outdoor Life Magazine. 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:43.200 I'm the shooting editor there. I do the guns and 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.480 shooting coverage for the magazine. I've been there since two 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.840 and one, and I don't know, it's such a long time. Yeah. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.400 But when you talk about being another forms of journalism, 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.520 but that that's been your main deal for for for 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.560 that many years. I can't even do the math. Yeah, no, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.200 I'm it's it happens when you get older, man, all 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:03.680 of a sudden, You've had a bunch of jobs for 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.920 a long time, but no, Afterlife has been the most 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.680 consistent gig of my career. I kind of did the 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:12.800 thing a lot of young journalists do, jump around from 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.240 place to place. That's Ben's phone song that comes out 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:23.160 in the morning. Yeah, so yeah, so I joined the 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.280 I joined the staff there in two thousand one, moved 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.679 to move to New York City because that's where they 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.320 were based. And you know, that was the third time 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.800 I worked in New York City professionally, and I always 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:35.560 knew I have a shelf life in New York and 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.840 I managed to weasel my way into the shooting editor position, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:44.520 And um, I feel like a great diaspora of outdoor 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.920 life folks out of New York. Like, does anybody from 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.240 outdoor Life live in New York anymore? Yeah, there's still 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.199 we still have a couple of editors there, but it's 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.920 always attention because obviously the people that we have on 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.640 staff and one on staff are avid outdoors and and 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.400 trying to pursue that in New York city is just 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.480 a lot more difficult. That's shooting bullets all around, right 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.959 about it? Oh? Yeah, no, And that's what happened. I 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.320 I finally went to my bosses and said, look, I 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.640 can't do justice to this job and be in New York. 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:18.080 And they said, well, where do you want to go? 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.200 And I said Montana And they said, hey, that sounds great. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:28.280 Here's a big pay cut. Go have fun. Calculation, John, 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.240 can you real quick explain what the shooting editor is. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:34.439 The shooting editor is is the guy who handles all 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.800 of the firearms and shooting skill coverage. So you know, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.160 I talked about guns. I review them in the magazine. Um. 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.480 I try to take some of the increasingly technical stuff 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.240 that's happening in our world and make it accessible to people. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.600 So try to give people kind of some leverage on 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.360 what these different technologies and terms are, and obviously just 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.200 to help make people better shots. And it's kind of 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.480 a cool deal. I'm only the fifth shooting editor in 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.079 the history of magazine, so well there's always been one. Yeah, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.360 pretty much. They stick around. Yeah, they do, stick around, 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:13.280 stick around, stick around down. It's like like arterial plaque. 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:20.600 We hang in there until we about lived are usefulness. Yeah, um, 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.480 Ben O'Brien, Hey, you've been on the show before, Yeah, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.760 many times. Once just the one time. Remember you did 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:28.840 a great job. Though, well it was a year ago, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.400 so I'm a different person now, so I might screw 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.360 this one up. And that was in Nevada, and right 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.720 now we're sitting in Arizona. That's Arizona. I don't know 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:39.760 much about this place. Did you care to explain yourself 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:41.640 at all? Hey, you want to see a transition? Check 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:46.840 this out? Get it? Uh, don't let me save it. Well, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.880 now I gotta get ready though, Ready, this is gonna 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.200 blow your mind. Well, I'm basically my resume is I 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.640 was once in the Mediator podcast. Uh, and that's really 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:03.200 all I got. I'm the Hunting marketing manager for Jetti 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:08.440 UM formally and well currently if I if I imagine 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.040 to be a journalist, I used to work at Peterson 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.760 Sunny Magazine before that, n Rays American Hunter, some digital 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.360 and print journalism and uh, yeah that's it. And we 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:19.920 taught was before, so we don't need to get into 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.720 too heavily. But once upon a time you wrote about sports, 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.320 sports with balls, sports with ball, sports ball, sports, sweaty 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:34.120 balls sometimes just yeah round oyeblong. But you wrote about 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.080 like games, games, sports, things that you don't you know, 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.080 things that you don't know much about. I guess at 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.280 this point I was struggling that Muhammed Ali's somebody that 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:48.200 you know, yeah, his work. At some point I did 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.560 what I did, aspire to write about sports, and then 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.280 I figured out that, uh, that was a ship job. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.760 You can I can I revisit with you, just real quick. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.080 Even though I didn't want to talk about it, I 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.040 do want to revisit. One thing you mentioned to me 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.760 is that, um, once you got to sort of peel 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:08.440 back the the curtain into the world of professional athletics, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.640 it lost something for you. Of course it did, Yeah, something, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.720 something was not what you envisioned it to be. Well, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.480 and I you know, you grew up on the East Coast. 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.440 I think it's it's it's not particularly just an East 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.520 Coast thing, but on the East Coast and the major 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.600 cities Boston and New York and Baltimore, if there seems 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.360 to be just a proclivity for sports, I mean like 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.400 that's part of your identity, that's part you grow up 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.840 like hey man, what do you do? Who are you like, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.760 I'm I'm Ben, I'm a Ravens fan. I think I'm married. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.840 I think I might be married. There's a kid somewhere. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.560 You just it's part of your personal identity. And for 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.280 me growing up, I would, you know, go to sleep 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.480 as a little kid listening to the Orioles game on 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.080 the radio like this. That's that's part of our identity 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.440 as my family and just who I grew up around. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:54.800 And so that was twenty one years old. All of 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.400 a sudden, I'm covering this thing like I'm inside of 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.600 the pulled back the curtain. So young. I was an 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.960 internet at a magazine. But did you go to you 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.760 finished up regular college? Right? Yeah, this is my senior 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.639 year in college. I finished. I was an intern at 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:10.240 a regular magazine. They just said, hey, would you like 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:11.879 to go be the beat writer for a while. We 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.520 think you got some good skills in that area. I 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.160 was like, yeah, you said, pure raw talent, Yes, pure 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:20.879 raw talent, and just so they sent me there and 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.880 I went there, and you know, I remember walking into 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.280 the locker room the first time being so nervous, sweating. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.400 I was twenty one years old. These are like most 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.840 of the players aren't much older than me, but most 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.840 of the other reporters and writers were six times by age. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.920 Does it makes sense they're old. They're old, and there 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:49.560 maybe three dudes writing about sports, and uh, anyhow, they're old, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.560 I thought. And so you go back there and you 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.160 realize that that these people that you you center your 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:59.160 identity around their efforts, right, I mean, because the Ravens 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.359 are the orioles or of a sports team, They're not 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.040 much more than just a collection of people doing a game, 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.760 you know, playing a game. And so if those folks 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.479 are that important to you, then they've got to be 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:13.040 some kind of you know, idol or or somebody you 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.120 can look up to. And so at that point, um, 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.040 I started to meet him and hang out with them 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.600 and interview them and and observe them and their professional 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.879 sense and personal sense, and I realized that most of 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:28.760 them were nowhere near idol status, like they didn't not 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.480 that they didn't deserve it, but they just not who 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.159 they were. They just hit a ball and we just 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.960 decided that that was somehow culturally important, which to me, 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:38.879 after I saw back behind the curtain, I thought, well, 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.439 how what a silly thing too to think this is 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.320 culturally as a society something we should worship or cheer 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:49.640 for whatever, and um, and then I just realized, if 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:51.520 I take this as a career, I will never get 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.600 to write about what I'm doing, or I'll never get 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.439 to write about my own personal experiences. I'll be just 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.160 writing about what this rich baseball players doing. What there 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.919 I respect him as a person or not. And then 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.879 I realized, oh shit, my career has gotta go a 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.320 different direction because this one sucks. And it did. I mean, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.840 there's a lot of miserable you know, middle aged sports 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.480 writers that just live. They get all the negative stuff 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.840 that the athletes get, like to travel in the long 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:21.480 hours and crazy schedules. They get none of the accolades, 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.560 none of the they get no, none of the money, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.240 none of the pretty girls, not It's just nothing. That's 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:28.680 like the opposite, the antithesis of what this person gets. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.399 So I quickly I was introduced to the fact that 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.800 you could be a writer and also write about hunting. Um, well, 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.320 I was like that, that seems better. Let's do that 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.160 because I hunted, you know, hunt of my entire life. 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:47.159 Though I guess that's part of the reason I'm here. Yeah, yeah, um, 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.240 what age are you when you quit doing it? Probably two, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:55.520 so you peeled back the curtain like curtain open early. Yeah, 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.560 and I had I had some internship and then a 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.920 job at the Washington Post right around the time they're 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:04.320 making a digital transition. So then it became kind of 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.399 a digital editor where that was my became my calling card, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.800 you know, knowing a little bit about the digital editorial space. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.320 And so buddy of mine was like, Hey, I'm working 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.040 at the n R at this magazine called American Hunter, 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.880 and I'm leaving it, and I think you'd be pretty 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.400 good at it if you don't like the sports things. 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.639 So he's like, I don't want the job, perhaps you 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.320 might like it. I know, your job now sucks. So yeah, 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:29.760 that was right when I was twenty three, So I 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.359 got in the industry early. I mean I'm thirty, you know, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.520 I've been in nine years. It seems like a lot 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.119 longer than that. Yeah, and then moving on, we have 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.199 dirt myth yep. Uh, you don't mind me interrupting you 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.239 from what you're doing there dirt and getting you some 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.600 photos to introduce you. Yeah, and then finally the Lavin 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:54.119 Eagle US good evening. Watch this transition this show is 0:20:54.160 --> 0:21:00.760 actually about COO's deer. Now, who's your got its name for? Um? 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:06.200 The historian and botanist Elliott Cus, who I just read 0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.399 died in Baltimore, where Ben is from. He was an 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:16.119 Orioles fan. He was before that. He's before that. Um. 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.480 I read too that he used to believe in levitation. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.840 He believed the objects would now and then just inexplicably levitate. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.919 But I've seen some CU's deer do some gnarly movements, 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:31.240 some magical movements. So Elliott Cus, we've talked about this before, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.080 about some touching this because this is like a deep dive, 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.080 We're gonna talk about desert white tails, the great ghost 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:42.640 known as CU's deer. Elliott Cous probably pronounced his name cows. 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.480 But he took a like into this mysterious little desert deer. 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:54.320 It was given his name. And now people say Cus. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.160 And when you say cous, half of people get real 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.280 mad and write you a mean letter saying that it's 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:05.119 cows cow. Johnny, you know this better than I do. 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:10.240 What's the other way that people like to say it? Yeah? Cows? Okay, Elliott. 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:13.400 I don't know if Elliott Cow said cows or cow 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:17.600 Chris Denim, who I've said before has written the word 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.840 coup is more than any man on the planet besides 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.600 perhaps Elliott cous says that he will say wus dear 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:27.200 till the day he dies. But he points out that Elliott, 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:33.600 the naturalist and historian and levitation believer in Baltimore die 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:38.840 person would have pronounced his name cows. I don't know 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:42.040 how people started, how it became popularized to call it 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.439 cous when people get piste when you do it, just 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.800 like people get piste if you say cows dear, it 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.159 rolls off the tongue. Maybe a little better because if 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:55.720 you tell people cows dear, they're gonna think you're talking 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.639 about a deer cow. Yeah, which I don't know what 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:02.080 it is. I don't like the sounds of it. Maybe 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:05.080 that's it. Maybe we just developed every confusion. We can 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:06.880 call it something else, we can pronounce it another way. 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.320 Many people, though, I mean, when you get outside of 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:13.760 the state of Arizona in the lower forty eight, I 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.679 mean you're talking about maybe a percentage of the population 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:20.280 that actually knows that this deer exists. Yeah, it's a dinky, 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.280 dinky amount of mugs who are interested in whether it's 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:28.199 coups or cows, but it's it's it's it's a it's 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.719 a white tailed deer. And these white tailed deer can 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:36.320 be found in the Sky Island mountain ranges of Arizona. 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:38.280 And we talk about sky on the mountain range. What 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.479 it means you have, like you know, these vast tracts 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:45.280 of flat desert punctuated by these these mountain ranges, and 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.200 these mountain ranges, the higher portions of these mountain ranges 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.600 have a slightly more temperate climate, a little more precipitation, 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.160 and these little white tailed deer live out there, running 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:58.840 around in saro cactuses and okatillo cactuses and just they're 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:01.320 out in the desert and the mountain desert. There's some 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:06.280 in New Mexico, but like the cou's motherland is Old Mexico, 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.040 which if you want to talk about transitions, we were 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:13.359 just talking about the war that helped establish that border 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:19.360 between Austin Mexico. When I brought up Sam Houston, dirt 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.000 were you? Yeah? Were here when I was Yeah? Yeah, 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:28.400 that's another transition. Where in the world is dirt po Yeah, 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:30.720 dirt there. There was explained to someone how we're talking 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:32.919 about whether or not who knew Spanish and who knew what, 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.280 and Dirt clarified that he hadn't even learned English really 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:43.080 well yet he wanted to give me more time because 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:44.920 he was wondering if if we were looking at a 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:47.440 peacock and he was surprised that they hadn't been predated 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:54.040 yet that I got it. Once you learn the dirt 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:56.600 myths language, though, you can you knew what I was 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.760 completely consisted by what words actually are there, and you're 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.080 able to just like make your point clearly, but just 0:25:05.400 --> 0:25:07.639 making up whole new things to make up what you 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:13.480 could have said preyed upon. But that that's way too 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.880 many syllables. Like if this guy doesn't have time for deodering, 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:17.600 he does not have time to say, pray, let me 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.879 lift my stinky arm to look at my non watch, 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:29.920 So Sam Houston, Yeah, Desert White Tales and like Mexico 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.800 is this fairy? Because Yah's experience with Desert White Tales 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.560 runs deeper a little bit. Yeah, is what fair? What 0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.320 are you asking me? Like the Mexico's like where it's at? Oh? Yeah, 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.639 I was just talking about good buddy Tyler on the 0:25:42.640 --> 0:25:45.719 phone notes he's living two songs, recommended some restaurants, and 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:49.040 he's leaving on Saturday. I think to go down. He's 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:52.320 hunt with Beato next week. So the Beato is getting 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:57.000 tags for him and his dad, and Um, I was 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.240 telling about how good the hunt was, and he's like, yeah, bro, 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.760 that's why you go to Mexico. It's kind of like 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.960 it's just a whole different ballgame, you know, like you 0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:07.159 just you grind it out in Arizona and you go 0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:11.679 to Mexico and it's, um, figure out how to make 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:18.600 an analogy. You know, it's like fishing where I don't know, 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.399 you're trying to find an analogy of where something's not 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:27.159 that great and then where it's real great. Midwest the 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:32.240 same thing. You know, Um with a large mouth bass 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.399 fishing in Michigan, and my mom's like and your mom's like, 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:41.359 would out in California down the southeast and most lakes. 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.439 Good job, nice, that's a good analogy. Uh Now, a 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:49.200 couple of Desert white tales are deaky little deer, Like, 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:50.520 what do you think those what do you think a 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:52.520 big buck? We're just coming back from hunting Desert white 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.320 Tales of Mexico and we got some nice bucks. What 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:59.120 are those big bucks? Way? Not much over a hundred pounds. 0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:01.640 In the fifth, the thing I like most to talk 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:03.920 about outside of talking about Daniel Boone, is talking about 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:09.200 Bergman's principle and Bergman's principles principles way of explaining why 0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:15.520 a mambel species will tend to gargantuanism. It will tend 0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:18.560 to be biggest in the northern extreme of its range 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.200 and smallest and the southern extreme of its range. And 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.399 it's speculated this might have to do with heat retention 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.200 and heat dissipation, where when you got these white tails 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:32.560 away in Alberta, they're like two fifty pounds that they 0:27:32.560 --> 0:27:35.639 have lower surface area, so they have more ability to 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:39.400 hold in heat. And then and then a ninety pound 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:43.480 white tail has more surface area per unit of weight 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:49.800 and he's able to dissipate heat. One theory about why 0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.879 Bergman's principle is true. There's exceptions, like mule they are 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.879 considered an exception to Bergman's principle, but generally just like 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:58.960 small on the south, and so these white shills are dinky, 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:03.640 dinky little deer, but they're like in minute your form 0:28:03.680 --> 0:28:09.359 because a big, huge giant couz buck scores. What like, 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:15.520 what's the coup's equivalent of a two white tail? But 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:19.359 that's like a rarity, rights, that's not as rare anymore. 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:23.280 Two white tails happened because people can people can make them, 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.679 they grow them. Yeah. Do you know that there's a 0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:29.040 guy I heard about recently that actually puts out medicine 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:33.879 for his white tails. Yeah, yep, I'm talking. They're beyond 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:40.000 putting out like subminster and they're medicating dewarming, de worming 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:43.720 medicine in the summer. And the feeder you're putting out 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:50.440 feed with medicine for your and growth hormones growth. Sup. Yeah, 0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:54.840 No one's doing that for cou's deer down in Mexican. 0:28:55.400 --> 0:29:00.520 These are all these It's like Pamela and Sitting fair 0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:08.240 fauces CU's is fair Faucet Texas white Tail's Pamela Anderson. 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:17.520 I get it. I'm I'm following you. I'm tracking natural artificial. Ah, 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:25.320 they're both hot. Let's see. Yeah, like two under an 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.760 inch free range white tail is probably like okay, but 0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.680 give me a more realistic number when we're talking And 0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.080 I'm gonna back up because when we're talking about the numbers. 0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.800 There's like a way, there's there's an agreed upon way 0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.960 that you measure deer antlers when you take various circumferences 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:45.240 and lengths and dimensions in YadA YadA, and you add 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.680 it all up and you and you take that number 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:52.160 and say he's a blank inch thing. No, there's like 0:29:52.320 --> 0:29:54.280 there's like lingo, right, Like if you shoot a two 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:58.880 mule deer, it's a big in the four elk is 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.600 a big in A hundred eight inch ram is a 0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:11.840 big un yeah h in the Alberta in a big, huge, giant. Well, 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.880 the biggest white tailed buck ever was killed albert It 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:17.440 was two d plus inches, so the same way that 0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.440 their body is half the size or less than half 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:22.760 the size. To put I can put it a little 0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:27.120 more perspective. J killed a few years ago. Um like 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:31.040 a hundred thirties six inch. I believe couse dear, he's 0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.479 somewhere right in there. At the time, he was number 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.680 eight in the All Time Boone and Crockett Book, The 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:41.520 Big eight biggest you know bucket's ever been entered into 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:46.040 the Boone and Crockett record book. Yep, and Mark Kennyon 0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:49.680 can barely get excited about a one in regular white tail. 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:54.840 That's right. Let me ask you this question is the 0:30:55.360 --> 0:30:58.520 is the desert white tail the only white tail? And 0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:03.800 this is a legit questions. Don't know that doesn't have 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:09.920 hunters or land owners managing the land for their to 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:14.080 propagate there species. Think about all white tails on our 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:21.040 continent Alberta, Iowa, little here, a little thinky white tail 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:25.360 that are that are protected. Um. But it just strikes 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.600 me is that the desert white tail is akin to 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:29.000 the mule the here in a way that it just 0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.720 lives in wild places and nobody's planting out falfa fields 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:40.640 and crop rows. Agreed until this past week food plot. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.239 Let me back up someone, I want to walk through 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:47.680 the whole damn story, right, and I was trying to 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:49.880 lay a little background by talking about Elliott coups and 0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:54.800 levitation and everything. You're the ordering a little more background. 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.320 There's something I don't know what I'm sure of. People 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.760 write in too clarify. I don't know that Mexico has 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.040 the equivalent of going down to a gas station and 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:10.640 buying a hunting license. No O, In the U s. 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.960 We have publicly owned wildlife. Okay, so if you own 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.600 property and a deer lives on your property, that's not 0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.120 your dear. You can control access to the dear, but 0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:25.760 it's not your dear. Um, and and and and tags 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.520 and stuff. I'm speaking very generally because there's many exceptions 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.880 to this. Tags are generally sold by government agencies, are 0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.960 they And they come from government agencies and they get 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:37.280 distributed in different fashions that will not get into right now. 0:32:37.680 --> 0:32:42.840 In Mexico, if you're a landowner, you say to the 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.200 to to the government biologists in your state, Um, they 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.000 come out and do a survey on your ranch, on 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.600 your astantia. Now that we all know an amazing amount 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:56.240 of Spanish, they come out to your astantia to do 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.720 a survey and they'll take into considerations like what all 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:03.080 has been predated or not, and um, they will issue 0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:05.600 this land ord. They'll say this landowner is allowed to 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:07.880 kill what would be normal, like like a number of 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:12.600 tags for maybe four or five. Yeah, sometimes it can 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.840 be a lot more, because yeah, I think it could 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.200 be considered to be double that. It does seem conservative, 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:19.880 but I think some of the rangers are big enough 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.080 for us to double that. We were on this year 0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.479 had five and it had tens of thousands acres though, 0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:31.520 didn't it? No? Nine No, And it was roughly what 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:36.880 four by ten miles? It was four by ten miles. 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:38.360 The gvernment comes out and they give the guy a 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.520 handful of half Alina tags and a handful of white 0:33:40.560 --> 0:33:44.400 tail tags. Who's your tags? He can do with them 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:49.480 what he wishes. We haven't had a friend, um, a 0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.800 very admirable figure. Admirable that's a hard word to say 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.239 for me. Figure named Jay Scott. And Jay Scott has 0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.760 a lot of relationships. Um, he and his partner, Dark Colburn, 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.760 Colburn and Scott. Why is Dark in his name? First? 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:08.440 That's kind of guy j is? I think jas is 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:11.600 such a good guy. So Dark Colburn and Jay Scott 0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.000 run Colburn and Scott Outfitters and they have a bunch 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:19.439 of relationships down in Sonora, Mexico. And they broker like 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.880 you're getting tags and you get accused your tag for 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.359 about a couple of thousand dollars. They do a lot 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.680 more than that, you know what I mean. They gotta 0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.680 go and scout the you know, they gotta find the 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.080 ranch first, then go scout it. Make sure it's got 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.799 some roads can get around on, make sure it's got 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:35.840 a house you can sleep in. But we've also just 0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.600 camped on Cou's deer ranches down there we have I 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.440 think that was of our own admission. Yeah, but some 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.759 of the drives are so long on the like you 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.640 can drive for hours on one of these places. I'm 0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:55.200 really like offer sharwkward mountain roads. So um Jay guides 0:34:55.280 --> 0:35:01.000 Cou's DearS but also facilitates dudes who want to do 0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:03.640 do it yourself trips on these biggest doan seas and 0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:05.120 j will help you get hooked up with the place 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.200 where you can buy a cou'se your tag and then 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.400 buying the cus your tag usually comes to you understand 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:12.000 that you're gonna be sleeping somewhere on the ranch, but 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:15.560 you gotta go down to cross the border. You gotta go. 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:19.759 You're you're flirting with the border here, right, and that 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.480 turns a lot of people off. You're like taking your 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:28.000 vehicle down and crossing in into a land that many 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:31.560 people feel is intimidating myself included, Like you're going from Douglas, 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.440 Arizona into Augo, Pyato, Mexico and hunting along the US 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:40.560 Mexico border out in some wild ass country. Yeah, if 0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.239 you watch you know, regular cable news, you think Cicario. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.600 As you're down there and camping out and hanging out, 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:52.200 you know, it's like every night it's fifty fifty whether 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.200 or not you're gonna be bad. So don't have to 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.640 do a bad of acid. I've been down I've been 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.120 down there now five time. As I think, yeah, you know, 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.320 it's funny. And I had a shirt maybe misplaced, maybe 0:36:05.360 --> 0:36:07.840 stolen once. I misplaced a lot of ships, so I 0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:11.840 still haven't ruled out that has lost my shirt. Yeah. 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.399 I have never had anything remotely sketchy, but I still 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:19.320 feel sketched out going through the process, with intimidating process 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:21.719 without for this trip specifically, the first time I've done it, 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.240 without the pretense, it would have been just a normal 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.319 You would have thought nothing other other than if no 0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.359 one said be scared, you would have gone through it 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.879 and what's scary? That was easier than Canada. Yeah. But 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.640 but on the other hand, I mean even for veteran 0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:41.399 guys going down there, you were like, we gotta be here, 0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:44.640 you can't be here after dark. It was like American 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.719 werewolf in London, like you don't mess around with I 0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.320 don't want to be there after dark. But it went smooth. 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.760 But some of bitch is beautiful down there, gorgeous country. 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.120 Anything that shocked me with the amount of mangy dog 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.200 is just roaming around, eating trash and shipping in the street. Yeah, 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:02.880 I told my my kids were in max with. My 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.040 kids are always like, where do these dogs come from. 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.360 I'm like, it's just a thing. It used to But 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:07.600 it used to be like this in America when I 0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:10.320 was a kid, everybody's dog just ran around. Then Americans 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:13.360 got sick of that. Two things my brother contributes to 0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.479 all of the Clinton presidency. Bill Clinton became president, kids, 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.759 all kids started having helmets on when they rowed a bike, 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:25.360 and the dogs vanished. Like he doesn't understand the link, 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:30.799 but he noticed that it all happened time dogs, free 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.120 roaming dogs went away. Kids, parents all bottom helmets to 0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.759 ride their bikes. And then it was just like a 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.080 thing that everyone agreed upon at the same time. You 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:41.560 know what it was. It was the first Internet boom. 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:46.279 Everybody was suddenly communicating their fears. I'm just guessing I 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:49.120 have no idea. I like it. Your dog's gonna get 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.799 your kids younger? Did you grow up where you were 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.560 in a helmet. We learned right a bike was a 0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:58.719 little killed. They would have killed you if you had 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:03.000 a helmet. Beat the guys. Oh they guys that wrote 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.280 motorcycles and were helmets and only half of them. Yeah, 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:07.960 they would have killed you if you showed up at 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.400 school the helmet on. Well that's the beauty. Mexico hasn't 0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:18.759 had that transition. Which transition is that of the dogs 0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:20.759 hang out and kids don't need to wear helmets. We 0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:25.360 saw some dogs today that m M. I could still smell. 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.279 Smell those dogs. Is it interesting to spend any time 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.040 on the process of going through the border. Yes, he 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:33.520 would you like to walk us through the process and 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.000 hold us. The New Jersey cat lady, she should go 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.400 to Agua Priata and do some work. That's the place 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.000 for her. I mean, if you're really, if you're in 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.200 New Jersey, do you want to like feel good about 0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:49.240 yourself instead of sending that bullshit checked Peter every month 0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:53.040 or year, Go to Agua Priata and just that's all 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.640 I need to say. Go there, you'll know what to do. 0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:58.759 Just bring like a hose and some shampoo and to 0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:06.320 be a start, like some jerky Uh, we got a 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:08.480 letter about New Jersey cat ladies, and the guy was saying, 0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:10.920 as much as we like joke about news erdies cat ladies, says, 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:14.360 you're not far off. He says an animal rights activist. 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:16.880 If you're gonna make this sort of composite picture of 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:20.839 an animal rights person, it is a woman who lives 0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:25.759 on the coast and owns pets. John Key walks through 0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:31.239 the process of coming into Mexico slick transition. Yeah, it is. 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.600 It's a little it's a little different because it's serious. 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:40.400 You know, if no one laughs doing it, no, no, 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:43.719 you know, we we we drive up there in our 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:48.800 big white van, which is instantly just feels sketchy anyway, 0:39:48.920 --> 0:39:52.799 just having a big white rental van, and uh, it's 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.640 all that camera equipment pointing at us. All of a sudden, 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.400 there's like these flats like you don't even have to stop. 0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:00.160 There no humans there, it's just you're being recorded. It 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.279 feels like a dozen ways that the US government. Yeah, 0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:05.200 that's no. I mean we haven't even gotten to the 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:09.799 to the Mexican party before. Well, the thing is, well, Nate, 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:11.400 did you see the guy did Hey he had the 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:15.680 little old school digital camera taking a picture of like 0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:20.480 the little vin plate on the Mexican side. It was 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.720 really I and I was like, that's an antique digital camera. 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:26.759 It was pretty weird. So yeah, anyway, so you get 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:31.000 you get these pictures taken on the US side, and uh, 0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:33.719 and then we just had to make sure that you 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.200 needed a form. We have one of the things you 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:40.840 do when you go abroad, particular firearms or other expensive equipment, 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:45.400 because you fill out these fifty seven customs forms and 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.640 they essentially are just it's just proof of ownership. A 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:50.560 lot of times guys are like, oh, it's a gun 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.839 license or registration thing. That's that's not what it is 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.600 saying I own this stuff when I left America. That's right, 0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.200 I own it when I left America. So that when 0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:00.640 you come back, you know, you can't be accused of 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:06.400 having purchased some presumably high ticket item or otherwise tax free, 0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.560 tax free and then sneak it back across. So you 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.160 know you have this this form and y't even know 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:21.520 the number of the form. Yeah, there you go. So anyway, 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:23.480 and we kind of breezed through that. That worked pretty 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.160 pretty good, except their Customs folks, nice nice people, all 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.040 of them, but they were a little confused about the forms. 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.960 I noticed we had to educate them a little bit. Yeah, 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:39.399 We're like, no, you require me to have this. They yes, 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:42.319 they just wanted to give the blank form and not 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.520 stamp it or fill it out. Well, you know, I 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.160 noticed today there was some training going on while we 0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:50.839 were getting back into the States, and I'm guessing we're 0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.279 kind of at the beginning of hunting seasons, so maybe 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.160 if there's some you know, new people there they just 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:56.880 haven't had, or people who are moved down from a 0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.759 different border or a different area or whatever. Sure that 0:41:59.880 --> 0:42:03.160 was good that, yeah, but it was it was kind 0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:05.160 of one stop for us at the U. S. Side. 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.239 Then very quickly get to the Mexican side and it 0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:10.759 gets confusing, mostly because none of us can understand what 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:16.879 anybody's saying. But you know, we go in there, we 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.840 get our tourist visas to start with. We have a vehicle, 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.719 you got to register that. It's a little complex, you 0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:29.840 know complex. You guys are talking dirt. Yeah, it's almost 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:33.439 like you're gonna get predated. It almost like you're gonna 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:39.719 get predated there. And the thing is, honest, somebody's got 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.759 to give him props for his administrative acuity. I mean 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:47.000 it is like he knew this thing from like, you know, 0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.319 one point to the next. There's the reason I hang 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:52.279 out with you. But yeah, that's all from j you know, 0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.399 so when you do this hunt with j he mean 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:56.879 you guys saw the letter the documentary said us, he's 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.279 got lined out and what you say, It's like I 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:05.719 was reading this word document. They put a lot of 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.080 time into the document of how to go across the 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:13.799 border kind of just that documents useless because no one 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.960 else has filed on the protocolon I wanted to share 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.680 the document with the people. Have you have you read 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.640 step nineteen. That's what we're on, right because step nineteen 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.680 you say this and then I say this, not saying that. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:28.920 That document makes like your user agreement for your iPhone 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.560 look like a high coup. You know, that thing was 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.920 just impenetrable for me. Oh I thought, I thought, you 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.560 know what, I thought. There's certain things in there, like 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.840 Jay has certain tips in there. Yeah, Like, for instance, 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.040 there's Jays like anticipate a lot of hubbub about the 0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:48.520 weight of your vehicle which we encounter, which we encounter, 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.160 and Javen has a trick that you go and make 0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:53.759 if you have a trailer. That's how you had a trailer, 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:58.919 you made yourself. Go and get a stamping machine and 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.719 make a thing that says the weight, and go put 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.480 it in a hidden place on your trailer and then 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.120 go down there and act like you're looking around and 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:11.239 discover the weight stamped on the thing, because that will 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.360 help you prove the weight of the trailer. But he 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:16.680 doesn't want you to put the like if it's a 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.160 really heavy one, he doesn't want you to put the 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:22.600 real heavyweight. Right, isn't there like a number thresholds of weight? 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.320 And we got caught up on how much are creepy 0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:31.000 van weight candy in there? Free candy? Yeah, you gotta 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:32.560 paint the picture a little bit. I mean you're in 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.759 a place. I mean it's literally the size of this 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:37.160 hotel room, maybe even a little bit smaller. Right, And 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.120 there's three windows. This is this is banks of windows, 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:45.640 banks of windows at the Mexican border, right, three doors 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:48.120 in that place. You kind of go in there and 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:50.080 you gotta go to one window telling you want the 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.440 tourist basically go to the other window to pay for it, 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.839 and then you come back at eight teams. You're going 0:44:56.880 --> 0:44:59.360 to get it. You're going and show your tourist visa. 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.440 The guy's yep, that's a tourist visa. He sends you 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:05.440 to pay a dude to photo copy. Yet then you 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.520 go to pay for it. Then you go back and 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:10.880 show the guy that you did all that and he couldn't. 0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:14.360 He stamps, just stamps. Then it's time to move on 0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:18.600 to your rig and you shooting irons. Yes, that's right. 0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:22.239 So we visit with the police there at the end. 0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.719 We were a little confused about where to go. Yeah, 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.239 cop comes out, He's like, yep, that's a gun, that's right, 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.920 and a van. Except except we we did have that 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.799 very sweet lady, that very sweet police lady. When we 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.920 went there. They thought Yanni was guappo guapo, gig wappo, 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:43.360 gig wapo, handsome, She's not dirt, was l stinky. But 0:45:43.440 --> 0:45:47.840 she liked it. She did like it. Yeah, so, I 0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:50.120 mean it is a little bit complicated, But what were 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.680 the what were you say? We're there for our it's 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:55.600 kind of alcads intimidating if some of them, you know, 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:57.400 I'll point out Yanni point this out to me, And 0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.000 I hadn't really taken notice that some of our fellow 0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:06.560 countrymen are in there acting very huffy about how annoying 0:46:06.600 --> 0:46:09.360 it was, but then they don't speak the language. It 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:12.560 would be like if if you worked somewhere and a 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.280 guy comes in blabbering to you in a foreign language, 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:21.360 then acting annoyed, then acting annoyed with your protocol, especially 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.680 when you're carrying guns into a country where I just 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.320 want to show up down here with guns and ship 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:30.560 and not speak the language and just come on in 0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:35.000 put a ment on my Just where's the concierge? I 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:36.839 just it's very simple. I want to take all my ship, 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:38.960 my weapons and go down and kill animals and bring 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:41.200 those animals back home out of your country. And I 0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:43.440 don't want to have to answer all these questions in 0:46:43.440 --> 0:46:46.279 a language it is not the one I speak. Are you? 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.080 Are you saying you haven't heard of amendamento? No? What 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:56.280 is that? The second he caught me not knowing Spanish, 0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.040 I knew it. But I found everybody in this room 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:04.600 is various international borders in various ways. Right. I've found 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.280 most effective ways to know is to read those thirty 0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:10.560 eight steps that Jay has and understand that like parked 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.520 by the gray building and walk a hundred yards. That's 0:47:12.520 --> 0:47:14.960 the ship. You generally ignore the stuff you're talking about, 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.160 like the actual pinch points where they're gonna get you. 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.560 Just know those pinch points and otherwise just be quiet, 0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:24.960 stand in line, put your card there. When they ask 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:26.840 you a question that you can understand your answer and 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:28.839 eventually you get through it. If they ask you for money, 0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:32.200 you give it to them, that's all. And I don't 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.319 know about that, because I've seen some times down there 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:38.520 crossing that board when people wanted money. And then when 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.960 a Spanish speaker steps and on your behalf, they waved 0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:45.759 the feet. I seen that several times. But if you 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.960 don't have a Spanish speaker to step in on your behalf, yeah, 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.439 there's no you have. And and in our case where 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.120 they said, well your van ways too much, and they 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:56.000 said step in this other line, and I thought, well, 0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:59.279 the heavy van line, the heavy van line. And I thought, well, 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.120 they're gonna take gonna go out of the van. There's 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:03.440 gonna be some kind of giant, you know, machine to 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:06.000 weigh this thing and measure it. And they just wanted 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:09.320 more money. Well, is it time to introduce our fixer? 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:15.520 Who helped us Bet Bet Beethoven. Beetho helped us a 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:19.799 large man. So J Scott and Dark Colburn worked with 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:21.600 We're gonna keep explaining this part because I'm like, I 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:24.600 don't want to mess it up with Beato. Yeah, was 0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:27.279 like a dude they hunt with. Yeah, my buddy Tyler 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:29.719 I was just talking to He's like, with Beato next week. 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:31.279 We haven't hot with him for a long time. We 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.040 still hunt with him all the time back in the day, 0:48:33.120 --> 0:48:39.479 So he's been hunting with JA, hunting, guiding slash eros. Yeah, 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:48.600 like twenty Yeah, it's a long time. You had many 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:53.640 years ago. And yeah, he's basically like what you know 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.759 in the production business we call a fixer for J. 0:48:57.040 --> 0:49:00.640 Like he's on the nextan side and he's just running 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.600 errands and doing business and he's I think now he's 0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:06.320 also sort of you know, helping J find new ranches 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.640 to lease and and making friends with new ranch owners, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:13.200 you know, getting more tags lined up. But yeah, you 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.080 set them up with us to uh, you know, help 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.160 us once we got to the border, get us to 0:49:18.200 --> 0:49:21.440 the ranch. Then you hunt it with us. Helped us 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:27.439 with cleaning skulls. But you're in me getting around when 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.480 we we're driving down. Um, you guys don't mind if 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:32.839 I move away from the whole. I think we got 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:37.520 the point with the Border Crossing. M hm um. Have 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.600 you guys read The Crossing by Corny McCarthy. Yeah, yeah, 0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.759 the Border Trilogy. Read every Cormick McCarthy book you can 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:46.120 get your hands on, sir, because you'll find all the keys, 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.480 including I have found keys to marriage in there, which 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:51.560 I pointed out before. Um, there's a sign when you 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.600 get a little bit out of a goo creative that 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:57.480 says I didn't see it, but you guys described it 0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:00.600 to me. So it's a American flag, go to X 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:04.600 through it. It's official, like actual sign, not graffiti. What's 0:50:04.640 --> 0:50:10.840 it saying? It had a I can't remember now, but 0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:14.800 I had a couple of no Hassle Zone leaving no 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:19.120 hassles in USA. So like, if you're very ambiguous, we 0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:21.560 should have taken a picture. But to me it meant 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:26.480 like you're in it. Yeah, if you get someone dicks you, now, 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:29.560 it's your good because you're in no man's land, best 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.680 of luck. And it looks like no man's land to 0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.640 be Yeah, it looks like something Cormick would would describe 0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:38.000 in one of his books mm hmm. And we get 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:43.879 down to the Astonsia the ranch, big as ranch, and 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:49.279 it's got a how like an empty house thing about. No, No, 0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.640 it's important because you get through all that bs. I'm 0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:54.799 trying to I'm always trying to be aware of the 0:50:54.840 --> 0:51:00.080 listener and his tolerances. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Um, you 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:03.520 check the guns with the Mexican police, and we also 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:05.520 have to go and check the guns with the chicken 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:11.839 um federales. And it's it's simple, it's simple. It's gonna 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:13.879 sound funny, but you're parking the gas station, you take 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:17.000 your guns across the street and literally walk into an 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:21.480 army base and go under a little hut, you know, 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.279 the three sided structure with a roof on it, and uh, 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:28.000 dude comes out and wants to check your the serial 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:30.520 numbers on your gun versus the serial numbers that are 0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.680 on your what did you call it, like a gun permit? 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:36.719 Gun permit, I guess takes a look at your passport. Yeah, 0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.960 sometimes it takes two hours, since it takes fifteen into 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:43.080 another room with all that stuff. Yeah, comes back, signed, 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:47.120 shakes everyone's hand. Those guys were very friendly, but they 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:51.319 were also spun up. We're in body armor because they 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.759 have shootouts and they had they had their their their 0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:57.200 rifles were loaded. You know, they were ready. But what 0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.719 I want to mention though, is the start Prince and 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:04.920 when you leave that uh, that that border and you 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:08.520 roll into Agua Priata, and there's a moment there where 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.640 you're like, I'm in a different place. Even though I 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:14.400 could reach out and touch the fence, it's like you 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:18.920 are just in a different land. Yeah. And immediately it's 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:22.840 humbling and and it's you also become you know, thankful 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.919 for like having the opportunity and being able to live 0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:29.920 in America and for everything we have, because immediately you're 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.960 in a place where you're like, this looks rough. I 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.399 think of two things. One, when you get across that border, 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:40.440 I felt this like ruthlessness about what my surroundings like. 0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:44.040 There isn't the structure is not there for your safety, 0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:52.719 like it it's just rubble and just trash and destitute 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.000 and desperation. Just felt ruthless. It felt like something could 0:52:57.040 --> 0:52:59.799 pop up at any minute and tear you down. It's 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:05.759 a yes, perception, there wasn't people running around pointing guns 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.560 at us. That's not but the perception, of course is 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.000 that this is there, this is danger, dis represents danger. 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.200 These things seems place you would have had to have 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:17.319 traveled a long ways to get to get to. But 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:20.719 in fact you could throw a rock from Walmart, yea 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:24.480 from the Douglas Walmart and hit that Harker rock and 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.040 land it over in the zone. And every American with 0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:29.680 an opinion on immigration, not that we need to go there, 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:32.759 but every American opinion on immigration should see that. You 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:36.360 just need to see it. And however that helps you 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:40.000 formulate an opinion, It does contextual contextualize that thing. It 0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:43.600 gives you count uh, just a perception of what it 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:46.080 really is. And you can see the wall, you can 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:48.080 and and what's funny about the wall, there's you can 0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:49.799 see through it, which I think it's some kind of 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.399 weird irony that you can see through the wall. It's 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:54.279 like a series of bars and you can look through 0:53:54.320 --> 0:53:59.120 it and see the Taco bell and the McDonald's and 0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:02.759 the Walmart and the s Western and Douglas, or look 0:54:02.840 --> 0:54:05.920 through the other side and see the rubble piles and 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.960 the you know, trash ridden creek beds and all the 0:54:09.000 --> 0:54:11.279 other stuff on it. On that side. Who was It's 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.480 not Bill Buckley, but who was the think that the 0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:19.279 conservative think tank guy that I was affiliated with, the 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:25.880 Heritage Foundation. Bennett, Remember Bill Bennett. Bill Bennett, he's involved 0:54:25.880 --> 0:54:31.200 in politics. Bill Bennett always talked about the Gates test um. 0:54:31.239 --> 0:54:33.440 When you open the gates, the people tend to come 0:54:33.440 --> 0:54:38.279 in or go out. You know something, You like that 0:54:38.320 --> 0:54:43.840 America always passed the Gates test always. North Korea doesn't 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:48.440 seem America always passed it on the northern boundary and 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:52.440 the northern boundaries sort of. You know this before you 0:54:52.480 --> 0:54:53.759 go down this path. And I want to get back 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:56.319 to hunt COO's deer real quick, you do this. Let's 0:54:56.360 --> 0:54:59.400 have a let's have a day every year where you 0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.759 can come New America and leave and we'll count everyone here, 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:07.239 have the day and then recount. Oh guarantee. I thought 0:55:07.280 --> 0:55:08.880 you were gonna tell me that somehow you're gonna come 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.719 up with a lesser number the next day. The interesting 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:14.960 thing about that border two is there's people who go 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:20.359 back and forth from those two realities every day. That's 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:22.480 the thing that they go. They go back and forth 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:25.520 the grocery shop to buy parts by car parts. Well, 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:27.600 there are kids who are going to school on one side, 0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:32.400 live on the other, and so that insane reality and 0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:34.400 which one do you you know, which one do you 0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.040 hold up as the fair one or the one that's 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:41.600 more real? Back to back to Sam Houston and how 0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:45.399 we set those ideas also just shows that even though 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.160 there's a wall there and a border there and all 0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.799 this stuff that we went through, is that there's they're 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:52.640 kind of two parts to something that's together. I mean, 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.400 it's sort of there's a relationship there that you can't 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:59.040 just pretend doesn't exist. Well, that's what we were talking, 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.520 Steve and I were talking about up how ironic, you know, 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:04.120 how we felt at some level getting on the u 0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:06.200 S side. You felt some sort of calm and safety 0:56:06.280 --> 0:56:09.040 right the country you live in. Yeah, it's like familiar. 0:56:09.120 --> 0:56:12.040 Thank god, I'm safe now. But you're just as likely 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:13.920 to pull into a parking and get robbed right there 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:17.239 in Douglas. Maybe not just as true, it's just likely, 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:18.920 but it can't happen. I remember one about that, and 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:22.480 I think that Doug. I remember reading something like Douglas 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:25.080 is one of the like per like size that winds 0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:27.640 up the Douglas is one of the safest cities in America. 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:30.319 Well everybody, every American who works there, half of them 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:33.040 have to work on border security. Yeah, yeah, they all, 0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:37.200 they all, but yeah, I mean, but but that the 0:56:37.239 --> 0:56:39.759 reality is that going out at night at two in 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:43.480 the morning and at a bar and Douglas is still 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:47.000 there's no it's not without danger. But your feeling is 0:56:47.040 --> 0:56:49.920 that now you're in this safe zone, which really is 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:52.319 just a you know, your perception of being on one 0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:54.560 side of the wall. You can't like check your brain 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:58.839 when you get back into the US exactly exactly, just 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:01.600 but you feel that you feel like to lay out 0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.239 naked on the side of the road and three the 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.120 stuff like that. Least I'm not, yeah, at least'm not accupate, 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:11.120 but you feel like there's some that calmness that you 0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.640 get from oh, familiarity and safety and all those things. 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:17.760 But in reality, that's a relative turn, that's relative to 0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:21.320 where you are in America, you know. So I don't know, 0:57:21.400 --> 0:57:26.320 but it certainly visually, you know, you know, when you 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:29.120 cross that port and you feel it. There's something about 0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:32.520 the dogs, the dogs, the main we saw one mangy 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:34.280 dog with his head in the trash can in the 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.440 back end, with the brown with ship and dirt and 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.680 the front end was white, probably cocaine and sadness, and 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:43.840 it was just chewing on a piece of fine old diaper. 0:57:44.280 --> 0:57:48.760 Uh So, who is dear? Uh Um? We get down 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:52.720 to the place we're staying. Thank you, Ben. Yeah, sounds 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:56.200 like I feel like Corn McCarthy is here among us. 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:02.640 Um it down to hunt. There's an empty ranch house. 0:58:03.760 --> 0:58:06.600 We're able to set up shop. There's a lot of 0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:08.680 people coming and going. It's hard to tell what their 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:10.560 function is. And that's one of things I talked about 0:58:10.600 --> 0:58:12.280 all the time, Like when I'm when I'm in America 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.680 and I see people, I'm like, oh, that's like the 0:58:14.800 --> 0:58:18.800 drunk uncle figure, right. Or I see someone walking down 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:20.280 the road, there's like a look and I look at 0:58:20.280 --> 0:58:22.560 me like that seems like a guy that broke down. 0:58:23.040 --> 0:58:24.560 That seems like a guy who had so many d 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:27.320 U I s he can't drive anymore. That seems like 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.760 a guy who's walking his dog. You know what I mean? 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.760 You just know right when you're really familiar, but just 0:58:34.920 --> 0:58:36.520 a couple of miles across the boards, like you see 0:58:36.560 --> 0:58:38.560 people are like, I can't, for the life of me 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:41.680 imagine what this person is doing walking down the road 0:58:42.440 --> 0:58:47.520 and the place you're staying as peacocks, chickens, turkeys that 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:51.000 are very clearly across between the Goulds turkey, the Ghoul's 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:54.680 wild turkey, and domestic strains, and there are many ghouls 0:58:54.720 --> 0:59:01.400 turkeys out in this place. And we started hunting first Dame. 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:04.120 Right off of that, we went on glass and that 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:08.560 night took a quick little tour of the ranch and 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:12.280 our tour was hindered by a razor that didn't work, 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:14.760 So we're gonna try to drive the whole board of 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:16.600 the ranch. We kind of did a half of the 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:20.480 north border and I kind of called it quits and 0:59:20.560 --> 0:59:24.160 went back. So my GPS track that I had on 0:59:24.680 --> 0:59:28.720 when the when it's a big rectangular ranch, my GPS 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:31.280 track after a tour of the ranch described a very 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:36.000 small triangle was our tour. It was like an incomplete tour. 0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:39.720 And that night we went and perched up on some 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:43.360 glass and knobs and started seeing a lot of wo's 0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:47.600 near Yeah. It's so it's this weird whirld when that happens, 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:49.080 because you wake up and you go through this sort 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:53.400 of like bureaucratic nightmare, and then you drive through a 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:58.800 town that makes you just feel like deeply uneasy, influenced 0:59:58.880 --> 1:00:02.520 by what you hear. You're about the border wars, right, 1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:06.560 just like all these apprehensions you have, not being welcome, 1:00:07.000 --> 1:00:09.320 feeling there. Then all of a sudden, you're out in 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:13.800 kind of a wilderness, what with fifty miles south thirty 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:18.600 miles south, So we're there. I was thinking about that actually, 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:22.520 like on that ranch because it hasn't been hunted you 1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:28.760 know commonly, but they hunt for the pop like it 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:31.400 hasn't been hunted by like people who are like really hunting. 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:36.040 But the Carols, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll hunt from 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.480 for meat. But on that same note, though, like that 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:41.080 close to the border, that not being a national park 1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:45.560 or uh you know, like a sanctuary of sorts, we 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:50.920 were probably I mean, like the the area that we 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:56.000 walked in the land we saw, we were very we 1:00:56.000 --> 1:00:58.320 weren't there. There hasn't been many people who have walked 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:01.520 around on that land. It's like, well it's like wilderness, yeah, 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:04.840 but you know what it passes. It passed kind of 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:07.919 two tests or two things that sort of always strike 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:10.440 me when I'm in a wilder place. One is just 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:15.600 a blazingly brilliant night sky. Oh, I mean no light pollution, 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:21.000 just the stars just stunning up above and then um 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:22.800 a little less so, I mean the stars are really 1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:25.720 kind of the highlight. But that that's that quiet, that 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:29.320 sense of silence, you get it. There's not even a 1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:34.120 lot of aircraft noise, no dead quiet. I don't think 1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:38.680 I saw an airplane all week. If you're just the blimp, yeah, 1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:42.520 the blimp every day. You know. My brother was recently 1:01:42.600 --> 1:01:45.320 telling me about you talk about the brilliance of the 1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:49.760 night sky, because he's telling me there's so many planets right, 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:51.680 like like an estimate of plants that we can kind 1:01:51.680 --> 1:01:58.120 of like figure out a it's a number like one, 1:01:58.800 --> 1:02:05.080 but with twenty for zeros, it's a lot. Yeah, he 1:02:05.160 --> 1:02:12.200 says that when you understand what that number means. He said, 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:15.120 somewhere there is an eight foot tall furry thing that 1:02:15.240 --> 1:02:21.120 smuggles ship into spacecraft in the spaceship statistically. Yeah, He's like, 1:02:21.160 --> 1:02:24.400 I'm open to any and all ideas. If there are 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.640 that many planets a one with zeros on the end 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:33.000 of it, that many possible somewhere a Wookie ship called 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:39.520 them well to like even today when you were calling 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:42.880 in that coy out and I mentioned, Uh, not night necessarily, 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:47.600 but the wind reminded me of like old Western Yeah, 1:02:47.600 --> 1:02:51.280 you just like back in time. There's a couple of differences, 1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:55.720 like it's like a wilderness but very heavily degraded by cattle. Yeah, 1:02:56.160 --> 1:02:59.960 the riparian zones. It's just it's like the gloves are 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:04.720 off on cattle. Yeah, there's no kind of like effort 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:09.920 to fence to to like heavily degraded riperian zones. And 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:14.040 there's a limited water. It's dry, dry country, so anything 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:18.360 that might have water is like hammered by cattle. And 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.000 every square inch of the place is cattle country. It's 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:27.840 like it's shiploads of exposed rock like outcrops and mountains, 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:33.760 lots of cactus and lots of you know, ankle to 1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:37.800 knee high grass, but all of it grazed. And on 1:03:37.920 --> 1:03:40.720 top of that, though, I mean, I would guess maybe 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:44.960 honest knows better that that area we were in we 1:03:45.000 --> 1:03:48.720 had a river going through there, so in theory where 1:03:48.720 --> 1:03:51.760 we were was probably a more water rich. It was 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:54.400 the most water I've seen anywhere down there. Yeah, and 1:03:54.400 --> 1:04:00.280 it's still natural to actually see flowing water like that 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:06.200 was the most water I've seen anywhere great heron down there. Yeah, 1:04:06.520 --> 1:04:14.120 saw wood ducks, redheads, we saw, I saw tree, saw 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:18.600 a mountain lion to bobcats, hundreds of deer. Not a 1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:20.120 lot of quail, though I thought there'd be more. Not 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:27.760 one coil jack, saw morning doves, jack rabbits, one cotton 1:04:27.760 --> 1:04:30.480 tail cottontail numbers done, two gray squirrels. How many times 1:04:30.520 --> 1:04:32.080 are you in a glassing tail on a high ridge 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:33.959 or something? You look across and you could see where 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:37.600 one pasture was grazed fence and then there's there's tall 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:42.640 yellow grasses, lots of la but the as far as 1:04:42.680 --> 1:04:46.800 the category is very low stocking ratios, like like not 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.640 tons of cattle, just like little scattering them because the 1:04:49.640 --> 1:04:52.360 country is so dry, but good looking cattle for that 1:04:52.480 --> 1:04:55.400 region from Yeah, yeah, a way to think of this country. 1:04:55.400 --> 1:04:58.000 I was thinking about how to describe it. Because it's 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:02.240 rough on it's rough hiking, because it's it's loose. There's 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:05.960 a lot of loose rocks. It's some of the worst 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:11.600 hiking I've ever experienced. Imagine a screen field, and I 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:13.080 don't know if all of our listeners know what a 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:15.120 screw field is, but it's basically where like on the 1:05:15.160 --> 1:05:16.720 side of the mountain. You just have a bunch of 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:20.160 like rubble. It's kind of just it's it's basically a 1:05:20.240 --> 1:05:22.320 roading off the side of the mountain. But imagine that 1:05:22.400 --> 1:05:27.080 screen field has just enough dirt in there to produce grass. 1:05:28.200 --> 1:05:29.800 That's what I feel like. A lot of this is 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:34.400 like it's rocky, it's loose. It's like kind of always 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:36.520 wanting to slip off in the road, but there's enough 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.080 dirt in there that there's a grass. You know what 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:42.040 I think about it, like, there are very few landscapes 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:46.840 on Earth that I'm familiar with where it's way better 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:51.160 to walk uphill than downhill. It is much I'm like, 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:53.560 normally you're like, sweet, we get to go downhill. Now 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:57.680 I am like, damn it, now we gotta go downhill 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:02.400 because going downhill on loose lava rock, marble rock. Yeah, 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:07.560 going uphill is just nice. It's relaxing. Going downhill, it's 1:06:07.600 --> 1:06:10.840 kind of like almost like roller coaster mode. Very difficult 1:06:10.840 --> 1:06:13.360 to be stealthy. There happens to be every tree and 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:17.479 bush with a thorn. Everything's arm everything's armed, everything wants 1:06:17.520 --> 1:06:21.880 to prick. The tall stuff is oktillo, which is a 1:06:21.960 --> 1:06:24.280 thorn looks like a bunch of bull whips all bound 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:29.640 together with thorns on them. Then you got mesquite oak 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:35.040 juniper in the bottoms. You have some big it's juniper 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:39.520 or not cedar. It's a I think I ain't seen 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:42.760 juniper berries. I was looking for that once we kind 1:06:42.760 --> 1:06:45.520 of had this covers. There are many kinds of juniper. 1:06:46.800 --> 1:06:49.000 I believe it's a juniper, and I think a lot 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:52.760 of people call cedar juniper. I would like to look 1:06:52.800 --> 1:06:54.880 into it, though, I'm sure someone right now is already 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:58.000 writing an email and I welcome, and I will read 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:01.680 that something bitch when we get it. Yeah, what else 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:04.800 is there? There's what we call century plants, century plants 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:11.480 yah yaka, lots of yack, lots of cactus, Troy cactus, cactus. 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:15.960 So the first full day hunting happens, and I strike 1:07:16.000 --> 1:07:22.280 out out onto the land with Ben O'Brien and dirt, 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:26.959 and we climb up on a knob and right away 1:07:27.000 --> 1:07:30.959 just start seeing deer, like a surprising number of deer, 1:07:32.280 --> 1:07:35.880 more than I thought. You know, in in my I've 1:07:35.880 --> 1:07:38.320 watched you hunt cus deer. I've watched some other folks 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:40.040 on cus deer and talked to a lot of folks 1:07:40.040 --> 1:07:43.480 about it. It seemed to me like the rule of thumb, 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:46.320 as you see few deer and there aren't many big 1:07:46.960 --> 1:07:49.760 mm hmm. And we pretty much scratched those two off 1:07:49.800 --> 1:07:51.760 the list in the first two hours. I threw up 1:07:51.760 --> 1:07:54.680 my knockers, and it was just like, dear, dear, do 1:07:54.680 --> 1:07:59.680 do do do dear? Yeah exactly, It's like yeah, but 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:03.320 to be up. It's such glass dorble country because it's 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:06.960 very open and yellow grass. And you get up on 1:08:07.000 --> 1:08:09.040 a knob and you put down a little pad to 1:08:09.040 --> 1:08:12.520 sit on, and I got a tripod. I put my 1:08:12.600 --> 1:08:16.080 razors down the tripod and it's just like, like Yanni says, 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:18.200 it almost like it makes a noise as you glash, 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:26.439 like blazer, but just like just picking off deer. But 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:29.640 we're on this giant glass and tip. I don't know 1:08:29.640 --> 1:08:32.479 how what the elevation gain was, but it's it's generally 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:36.040 there was no probably exactly. I mean, how it was 1:08:36.080 --> 1:08:39.519 that knob from from from valley to tit how high 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:42.759 that first knob? Yeah? No, the no, what the knob 1:08:42.800 --> 1:08:47.280 that I named the dunk Buck location spot. Yeah, I'd 1:08:47.280 --> 1:08:52.080 say off the valley floor and you're talking about a 1:08:52.160 --> 1:08:56.040 river valley with pretty prominent riverbed and then and it's 1:08:56.080 --> 1:08:58.479 all about five thousand feet above sea level. Yeah, you're 1:08:58.520 --> 1:09:02.200 starting the high and you can see how many miles? 1:09:02.200 --> 1:09:04.160 Could we see many? Well? I could see all the 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:06.120 way the US borders because you can see the blimps 1:09:06.120 --> 1:09:08.599 that you can see the surveillance blimps through in the US. 1:09:08.920 --> 1:09:10.640 If it wasn't for the cuts and the mountains and 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:13.400 the different just variations in the terrain, you can see everything. 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:19.040 But we could see corrugated lands like implies some kind 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:22.439 of order. It's like it's it's like the literal version 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:26.760 of a topographic map. It just looks. It's just got 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:29.320 lines and divides and just things you can't see into 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:32.760 and shadowy ridges and just places that little hellhole, little 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:38.519 he choppy, chopping choppy could be good, but you're you're 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:43.400 not getting a lot of deeply incised You're not getting 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:47.160 a lot of places in a straight line. And when 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:49.120 you look at a gully, it's hard to imagine what 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:53.080 way the water to flow m hm, because it's so confusing. Oh, 1:09:53.160 --> 1:09:55.120 you look at a gully from a hundred yards away 1:09:55.479 --> 1:09:59.400 and you have no idea like the depth or the 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:04.640 severe the canyon like nest that it might have, like 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:06.559 you just have no idea. You might go across that 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:09.600 gully in a hop, skip and a jump, or you 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:12.280 might walk up to it and go. It does not 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:14.559 look it does not look like country where you would 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:19.160 get cliffed out. But there's but because the deer will 1:10:19.200 --> 1:10:21.720 walk into what you think is a little dinky depression, 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:25.640 never to be seen again. Or a bush on a 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:27.840 on a wide open hillside walks into that and you 1:10:27.880 --> 1:10:29.360 look over like, hey, there's a deer, and you look 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:32.400 back and it's gone forever, never to be seen the ghost. 1:10:32.760 --> 1:10:37.519 That was very communication with the um know I thought 1:10:37.600 --> 1:10:42.400 was chewy though actually portal that's what I was saying. 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.320 I was saying, they all have trapped doors. They just 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:48.800 pull a rope and then there and there and sorry, John, 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:50.680 I cut you off. So I was just gonna say 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:52.559 that was the thing that kind of surprised me, and 1:10:53.120 --> 1:10:55.360 it was a lot of funny. It's obviously an optics 1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:57.479 intensive way of hunting. You know, you've really got to 1:10:57.880 --> 1:11:01.080 it is glad. It is glad. But the landscape down 1:11:01.120 --> 1:11:03.320 there there was so much variety. I mean, it's not 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:06.960 a monotonous landscape. At all. I mean, between the different 1:11:06.960 --> 1:11:11.240 types of rocks and grasses and cuts and elevations. It's just, 1:11:12.160 --> 1:11:14.960 you know, I was never bored looking at this stuff. 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:18.800 And there's a gradual shift as you had as you 1:11:18.920 --> 1:11:21.160 head west, there's a gradual shift for more of a 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:26.439 gentler open grassland, the kind of environment in in the 1:11:26.560 --> 1:11:31.080 nine miles, to a much more rugged, almost semi mountaine 1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:36.200 kind of country. Um, we struck out upon the landscape, 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:40.240 starts spotting off all kinds of deer, and then all 1:11:40.240 --> 1:11:42.880 of a sudden, pop, here's a little buck, a little 1:11:42.880 --> 1:11:47.120 dinker buck like a Michigan sex and cuz dear, like 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.600 real serious cuzars guy, this is like a this is 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:53.639 a little bit of digression, real serious cous gear cuz 1:11:53.720 --> 1:11:57.000 dear Guys like Jay Scott don't count the brow time, 1:11:58.800 --> 1:12:01.120 and they only count what a has on one side. 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:06.679 I once posed to another serious cus gear cu'se dear guy, 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:11.320 Cody Nelson from Outdoorsmands. Does the spike have zero antlers? 1:12:13.120 --> 1:12:15.920 And he said no, a spike is a spike. I said, 1:12:15.920 --> 1:12:18.519 so it is a fork a spike since you don't 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:20.960 count the first one, he said, a fork is a fork. 1:12:21.280 --> 1:12:24.000 A spike is a spike, A three is a two. 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:30.559 Isn't that how they do elevators in England? Do they 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:34.040 like the first floor is zero or something? Oh, i'd 1:12:34.040 --> 1:12:36.599 be all messed up. I don't know, like sweep around 1:12:36.600 --> 1:12:40.479 the first floor. But we're not. Uh, we just call 1:12:40.560 --> 1:12:44.920 them all We prefaced it by saying Michigan and then 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:47.200 say the number because it's just like you just we're 1:12:47.240 --> 1:12:50.760 adding them all up. If it winds up being an 1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:53.639 uneven number, like a five by four, would just say 1:12:53.640 --> 1:12:56.840 in Michigan nine, What would an Arizona cou'sier guy call it? 1:12:56.920 --> 1:13:04.280 Four by five? Three by four? Oh that is ridiculous, man. 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:06.439 You just take what it actually is and your minus 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:09.519 one on each side. There you go. The formulas don't count. 1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:13.160 They don't. Then they do the same thing on mule here. Yeah, 1:13:13.200 --> 1:13:15.080 because you don't count brow times on mule deer. These 1:13:15.080 --> 1:13:17.840 are muled. There's are white tails. You count brow times 1:13:18.080 --> 1:13:22.280 on a white tail. I hear, I hear a few 1:13:22.320 --> 1:13:25.559 keyboards right now. You know why you don't count them 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.040 on mulder because mulder a lot of most mulder don't 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:31.599 have them. Then when they do their dinkers, a white 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:34.479 tail the longest time on that some bitch's head might 1:13:34.520 --> 1:13:39.120 be its brow time speaking along brow times the donk 1:13:39.560 --> 1:13:43.680 the donk Buck. Good one man, Yeah, I'm learning so 1:13:45.280 --> 1:13:49.360 gold Star, we're up. We move the little dinker Buck. 1:13:49.400 --> 1:13:53.679 We're looking at the Michigan Sex is agitated about something 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:57.800 below him that's out of our view. He's stomping, he's 1:13:57.880 --> 1:14:00.880 puffing up, and we've both think that he's got a 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:03.719 Kyo or a Bobcat down below him, because he's acting 1:14:03.720 --> 1:14:06.800 like how they act. His tail is up at some level. Two, 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:11.400 we've actually seen coosier bucks chase Bobcats, like literally go 1:14:11.800 --> 1:14:15.160 chase after and run after Bobcats. And he looks like 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:18.280 he's dealing with a problem like that. But after a 1:14:18.320 --> 1:14:20.360 while he realized his posturing and stuff, and also a 1:14:20.400 --> 1:14:22.840 little pure a pair of dough he doe ears all 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:25.000 of a sudden polkes up, and we realized he's worked 1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:30.879 up about other deer. And it's not like he's running 1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:33.120 in there to chase other dear away, but he's kind 1:14:33.120 --> 1:14:35.760 of like on the he's like on the out he's like, Oh, 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:37.080 I want to get in there so bad, but I 1:14:37.080 --> 1:14:39.160 can't get in there. Is what it looks like, and 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:43.760 we get to thinking that there's a big stomper out 1:14:43.800 --> 1:14:47.320 of sight. Wasn't that kind of our primary motivation? Well? Yeah, 1:14:47.320 --> 1:14:49.920 and he and he his posture looked like a buck. 1:14:49.920 --> 1:14:51.760 I have a circle in another buck. He came around 1:14:51.760 --> 1:14:53.720 that bush. Remember he came around on the on the 1:14:53.760 --> 1:14:56.800 top side of this ridge, and he came around like 1:14:56.880 --> 1:14:59.120 he was posturing to fight another buck. And we thought, well, 1:14:59.160 --> 1:15:01.720 for sure, he's there's a big there's a big one 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:04.840 bigger than him that he's not. He's not going straight after, 1:15:04.920 --> 1:15:08.760 so why not go take a look. So we move 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:12.240 around to the chief commander of all glass and knobs 1:15:13.240 --> 1:15:15.519 and get up on there, hoping that it's gonna allow 1:15:15.600 --> 1:15:20.080 us to peer down into this box little zone. But 1:15:20.439 --> 1:15:24.360 you couldn't see into his zone. But we do get 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:27.320 to look and across the valley and dirt and just 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:31.519 deer all over the place and dirt. Myth all of 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:34.599 a sudden, just randomly happens to just decided to point 1:15:34.640 --> 1:15:39.720 his binoculars over in a direction and low and behold 1:15:41.040 --> 1:15:46.240 game spooking sunglasses, his blue mirrored sunglasses that are designed 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:49.240 to scare away animal. Here's a pro tip if you 1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:51.880 if you go to the gas station, and they have 1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:56.600 these sunglasses with blue mirrored that may reflect in the 1:15:56.680 --> 1:16:00.400 sun to look like to fucking disco balls hanging off 1:16:00.400 --> 1:16:06.759 a tree. Don't buy those, but girls are like legit 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:11.479 coasts right. Oh no, those are five dollars to patient, 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:14.960 so they were gas I gotta clear fy. Two things 1:16:14.960 --> 1:16:16.960 though on at this home when I had those half 1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:19.000 off coast of things. You didn't buy new coasts because 1:16:19.000 --> 1:16:22.200 there's still a hundo or something crazy have You gotta 1:16:22.240 --> 1:16:25.880 watch your eyes. You have those gas station ones, but 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:28.360 your brand new eyes that you just got all fixed up. No, 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:32.760 you're right, you're right at the gas Yeah, it looked 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:35.360 like high quality, right, and they feel I mean the 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:40.800 polarized I can see. Yeah, they surely are. But like 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:47.400 a rainbow, it's like electric blue rainbow smoke signals to 1:16:47.479 --> 1:16:50.080 the other group. Anyway, he takes those off and classes. 1:16:50.640 --> 1:16:53.320 But I gotta say there's two things right here. I 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:57.519 gotta interject. One, Ben was telling a story I think 1:16:57.560 --> 1:17:03.439 that brought out the buck. Was a story of such interest. 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:10.439 Animals all gather the box like ship. And then two 1:17:10.640 --> 1:17:13.320 I did. I didn't know what I saw, but I did, 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:15.519 And you'll back me on this as like, wait, Ben, 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.479 hold on one second. I want to hear more of this. 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:20.840 But I think I wasn't sure, but there's something special, Yeah, 1:17:20.880 --> 1:17:22.600 there is something special about He's like I think I 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:24.960 spotted a giant. Yeah, and I don't know anything about 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:27.080 who's dear. And I pull up the spotter and get 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:30.120 on this thing pretty quick, and I was like, well, 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:34.360 I gotta tell you I have no education in this 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:37.760 in this opinion, but we should shoot that, chase that, 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:39.920 and I put it the one up. Yeah, when your glass, 1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:44.759 what you do is your glasses through knockers on a 1:17:44.760 --> 1:17:47.280 proferatly on a tripod. Dirt uses a walking stick, but 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:50.360 you put the knockers on a tripod. I was running 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:54.880 tens ten ten x, meaning it's ten times the magnification 1:17:54.880 --> 1:17:58.040 of your regular naked eye. And then what you do 1:17:58.040 --> 1:18:01.960 is you see you dear, and you just kind of 1:18:01.960 --> 1:18:05.800 like there's a there's a something about their shape, their 1:18:05.840 --> 1:18:09.200 relative size to other deer that might be nearby, the 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:12.679 heaviness of the neck, the way they walk, just everything. 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:14.599 There's just something like you look at like that's a buck. 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:18.519 All the times you'll also see antler, the sway in 1:18:18.560 --> 1:18:20.920 their bellies just like you just you look at enough 1:18:20.960 --> 1:18:22.840 of me just annoy like there's a box, at which 1:18:22.880 --> 1:18:27.519 point I'll grab out my spotting scope. So you're always 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:30.920 going back and forth like knocker spotter, knocker spotter. That 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:36.120 being said, at some distances i'd say roughly approximately yards 1:18:36.160 --> 1:18:39.360 and farther, when you just have the tens or even 1:18:39.360 --> 1:18:43.160 twelves on them, you're like, man, the body suggests the buck, 1:18:43.240 --> 1:18:45.360 but I just don't see antlers. And then when you 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:47.439 put the spot and scope on them, you're like, not 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:50.519 only is it a buck, but man, like a nice box, 1:18:51.240 --> 1:18:56.040 Like they're just not big critters. Yeah. The spotter I 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:58.800 was using is uh, it's like like like a big 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.160 I mean it's a big, heavy, like an eighty five 1:19:01.400 --> 1:19:07.280 millimeter objective lens. This is like a sizeable thing. Um, 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:10.360 throw that up and I look at this like right away. 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:12.880 Because we talked about box, like early on you're talking 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:16.880 about buck being a dinker, bucker, shooter buck. It's just 1:19:16.880 --> 1:19:20.040 sort of like no one really knows at which point 1:19:20.040 --> 1:19:22.160 there was a point at which they're just like heavy 1:19:22.479 --> 1:19:28.000 dark antlerd right, Mark Ken, you just say like mature bucks. Yeah, 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:30.240 we're not at the type of cous deer hunters yet 1:19:30.240 --> 1:19:32.760 where we could just immediately be like, oh yeah, one 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:35.960 tent yes or one tent no. You know, you just 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:38.360 kind of like yes or no. Because but I think 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:42.519 that we I think that we call them that when 1:19:42.560 --> 1:19:47.040 they have that like mature look that they're dark, heavy 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:49.840 antlered bucks with a whole bunch of times on them. 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:53.280 They're we're generally saying like, oh, that looks like a 1:19:53.320 --> 1:19:58.800 shooter buck. It's probably about one plus yes, even though 1:19:58.800 --> 1:20:00.920 we don't know that. You don't know the number. But 1:20:00.960 --> 1:20:02.559 I'm just saying, if you're gonna apply a narth like 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:04.280 there's a point at which to bark all of a sudden. 1:20:04.280 --> 1:20:06.920 You look, You're like, that's something bitch is the man? Well, 1:20:07.120 --> 1:20:09.400 it's a big buck. There's a few things right, he's 1:20:09.479 --> 1:20:12.799 maybe wider than his ears. He's got long brow tigns. 1:20:13.320 --> 1:20:16.840 Maybe his threes are his G three's are as long 1:20:16.880 --> 1:20:19.479 as his G two's. You know, there's like little and J. 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:21.760 You know, J told us that if it's if it's 1:20:22.439 --> 1:20:24.000 he's got an eight point frame and he's got an 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.320 extra kicker too, or he's got some junk on on 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:28.200 that's a shooter you know, if he's more than an 1:20:28.200 --> 1:20:30.000 eight point that a lot of times it's so there's 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:32.840 just little things you say, Oh, but wide enough, he's 1:20:32.880 --> 1:20:35.160 wide enough. There's a type of coups guy, though, there's 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:37.439 a type of cous guy who probably doesn't happen fast. 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:39.280 He sees the buck and he's got to do like 1:20:39.280 --> 1:20:45.880 a long analysis for us. It's like in a second, right, 1:20:45.960 --> 1:20:49.200 like shooter buck, because you don't know, because it's just 1:20:49.320 --> 1:20:51.439 something about it. You just know it's worth going after. 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:52.960 But I looked down at the buck and I'm like, 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:56.880 let's go. But Ben's I think, just you know, let's 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.920 not both goes. Someone's gonna stick around. And I was 1:21:00.080 --> 1:21:02.280 like the band. I was being all gracious, you know, 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:04.240 you go get him banned, and Ben's being all gracious, 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:08.639 be like, oh no, I would never. And you know, Steve, 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:11.000 I would never. So he sliced a piece of summer 1:21:11.000 --> 1:21:13.799 sauceage and and marked one side of the summer sausage 1:21:13.840 --> 1:21:15.400 and flipped it. And I want to flip but can 1:21:15.439 --> 1:21:19.880 you go more into summer sausage quotations? Actually, oh, dunk 1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:22.760 So because we're calling it the dunk buck. Gotta have 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:27.480 a dunk buck because my brother every year for Christmas 1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:32.879 gives out um, sometimes two things, sometimes three things. Always 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:34.640 he gives you a bag of banana chips that he 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:37.400 made in his food the hide rat. And he always 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:40.800 gives you a summer sausage that he made from his 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:44.600 deer out and he calls it dunk or we've just 1:21:44.720 --> 1:21:49.439 come to call summer sausage dunk Um. I'll leave you 1:21:49.479 --> 1:21:52.960 to figure out why one might call summer sausage dunk. 1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:57.880 So no casing. Some years, that's thing I should point 1:21:57.880 --> 1:22:01.320 out how he makes it. That it's a fermented sausage. 1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:03.720 He fermented in his fridge for a while, and when 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:06.000 you do it again, when he ferment, it gets doughey. 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:09.600 So he rolls out his donk and smokes it uncased. 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:13.800 So it's an uncased donk. It's nice, it is good. 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:17.040 It's and in some years you'll give you moose droppings 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:19.320 that you can burn his incense, because he likes the 1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:22.800 willowy smell of him. Um. This year it was just 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.479 banana chips and donk, And so I took a piece 1:22:25.479 --> 1:22:29.960 of said donk and gouged one side, and you had 1:22:29.960 --> 1:22:33.160 to call gouged or smooth, and I won the toss 1:22:33.200 --> 1:22:35.160 and I got to go after the bark, and we 1:22:35.240 --> 1:22:40.639 made a little signal system. Ben had a green dry 1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:44.640 bag and he had a red dry bag, and I 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:48.000 had a white game bag in a white game bag, 1:22:48.800 --> 1:22:52.599 and we devised the system by which we would very 1:22:52.680 --> 1:23:00.880 cleverly say green means go, Red means stop. Interesting and 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:04.599 hung it up in a mesquite tree so that while 1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:08.960 doing my long stock, I could look and if I 1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:13.920 glassed back to the donk bunk location point, I have 1:23:13.960 --> 1:23:18.439 now alone, I'm by myself and saw green. Ben was 1:23:18.520 --> 1:23:23.439 telling me the buck hasn't budged. Everything's cool. If I 1:23:23.520 --> 1:23:26.880 glassed up and saw red, I would then look at Ben, 1:23:27.520 --> 1:23:30.680 wave a game bag at Ben. Ben would realize that 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:34.640 I'm looking at him through my spotting scope of bronoculars, 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:38.559 and Ben would then gesture with another system that would 1:23:38.600 --> 1:23:42.040 tell me what direction the buck went or forget about it, 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:45.960 and I would only gestured the bucks movements. Not what 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:50.240 you want. I wanted you to do, very clear system, 1:23:50.320 --> 1:23:53.559 clear system. And it's challenging because I was up there 1:23:53.640 --> 1:23:58.280 trying to spot you guys with the binoculars while also 1:23:58.360 --> 1:24:01.040 making sure that buck didn't sneak down because that buck moves. 1:24:01.120 --> 1:24:06.040 You never ever quit hearing about it. Because it happened 1:24:06.040 --> 1:24:09.000 to dirt on another cuise deer hunt to keep an 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:12.120 eye on the buck. Yeah, and it went behind a tree, 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:15.240 and it's like dirt just watched the tree and we 1:24:15.280 --> 1:24:17.760 came back there, never moved. It's still back nervous. That 1:24:17.800 --> 1:24:24.320 deer is still there today. It slipped out because that 1:24:24.400 --> 1:24:27.720 slipped away because in that in that but that was 1:24:27.720 --> 1:24:30.000 before he had his eyes fixed. Look at him now, 1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:32.120 he's just like he said, I don't know, I see 1:24:32.200 --> 1:24:38.280 nothing but light and dark. I didn't hear nothing now 1:24:39.240 --> 1:24:42.120 and that the important part of that plane is that 1:24:42.160 --> 1:24:44.080 I needed to know where you were at all times. 1:24:44.320 --> 1:24:47.240 So you're talking, You're walking across you know, a sun 1:24:47.360 --> 1:24:52.640 kiss ridge, behind trees, behind this found a drop antler 1:24:52.880 --> 1:24:55.000 was standing on nice one. And so every time I'm 1:24:55.040 --> 1:24:56.840 looking at you, I'm thinking about how I'm gonna screw 1:24:56.880 --> 1:24:59.040 that bucks walking out of that bush and into the 1:24:59.040 --> 1:25:01.240 next bush, and I'm screw And every time I'm looking 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:03.200 at the bush, I'm thinking, you're probably gonna change your 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:04.840 plan and go down to the river bed. I'll never 1:25:04.880 --> 1:25:08.800 find you again. So I have this very stressful situation 1:25:08.840 --> 1:25:11.840 going on up on the up on the old tip. 1:25:12.600 --> 1:25:15.280 We go down the hill, across the creek, get on 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:18.120 a little finger ridge, take the fingeradge up and start 1:25:18.160 --> 1:25:21.320 getting in the zone. I'm looking at this green green green, 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:23.560 not green grass. The grass is dead as hell, but 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.400 I'm looking at the green bag the green means gold thing. 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:31.360 And also we jump up a little bucket the dope, 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:37.120 and they run like they're gonna run through. And when 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:39.439 you when you spook deer, if you're stalking a deer 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:41.920 and you spook other deer that run through the deer, 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:45.360 what will often happen is the deer we'll get carried 1:25:45.400 --> 1:25:49.960 off with the other deer like if deer like, if 1:25:50.000 --> 1:25:52.880 these guys are that upset about something, I'm leaving too. 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:57.160 And we spooked the bucket the bucket, don't they run 1:25:57.160 --> 1:26:00.120 off over the hill And I'm like, damn, they're here, 1:26:00.160 --> 1:26:03.400 goes that? But I wait and look, and the green 1:26:03.479 --> 1:26:07.960 means go was still green. And Ben had watched it 1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:12.599 all play out. Oh and those deer ran from wherever 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:14.360 you spooked him, which you know it was probably five 1:26:14.760 --> 1:26:18.519 yards away from that that bucket behind that bush, dip 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:21.680 down over the ridge. He was on ran right towards him, 1:26:22.479 --> 1:26:25.720 pulled up at about ten yards, cut back up the hill, 1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:28.479 and we're gone. He never budged, He never budged, And 1:26:28.520 --> 1:26:32.639 at this point I'm thinking I pulled a dirt. At 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:35.880 some point, buck snuck out, He slicked out of the 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:39.120 because if he was in there, he would have been gone. 1:26:39.880 --> 1:26:41.760 Because of course, you know, a buck like that's gonna 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:44.160 see too dear freaking out, and he's gonna do do 1:26:44.320 --> 1:26:47.280 something similar. He's gonna stand up and look around and 1:26:47.280 --> 1:26:49.599 and move places and get to a safe spot or whatever. 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:54.320 This tear just stayed. And there's a magical thing that 1:26:54.400 --> 1:26:57.559 happens when you're when you're going after something you spotted 1:26:57.600 --> 1:26:59.680 far away in spots star hunting, where you're like you 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:01.439 out of far away to have to sneak up on 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:04.800 it where you have like an understanding of the landscape 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:09.280 that is far from right. It's like you can understand 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:11.240 it from a perspective and it's sort of and it 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:14.360 makes sense to you spatially, but when you get over there, 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:17.879 it's like it's it's it's a it's this alternate reality, 1:27:17.920 --> 1:27:20.200 like this is not how you envisioned it, but this 1:27:20.240 --> 1:27:22.040 is one of those cases when that did not happen. 1:27:23.640 --> 1:27:25.759 I got there, I was like, because there's some orange, 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:30.200 just like these orange round patches of a different kind 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:33.479 of vegetation, of different grass. Everything lined up, and once 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:35.400 I saw the green and I started getting the zone, 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:39.720 I'm like, this all makes like like magically, somehow this 1:27:39.800 --> 1:27:44.120 is all understandable. Still, like here's that thing I remember. 1:27:44.640 --> 1:27:48.599 Remy warrant will take cell phone pictures before heading off 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:51.400 on a stock He takes cell phone pictures through the 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:54.519 spot and scope or whatever of the area. However he 1:27:54.560 --> 1:27:56.759 does it depending on how far away is. He takes 1:27:56.760 --> 1:27:59.599 cell phone pictures of where he's headed. So later when 1:27:59.600 --> 1:28:01.600 he gets also you and and you're like, damn it, I 1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:04.479 cannot it. This doesn't make This is not how I 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:07.080 pictured it being over here. He'll refer to his cell 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:10.160 phone pictures and he'd be like, oh, it was a 1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:15.439 dead snag that I didn't think to log. But I'm 1:28:15.439 --> 1:28:16.840 always trying to get in my head like okay, there's 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:19.120 a century plant, those are this, as that, there's a 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:22.800 rock shape like this, just as little reminders, but it 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:24.320 still doesn't work. But this time it did. I get 1:28:24.320 --> 1:28:26.760 over I'm like, oh, this is like everything's exactly like 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:29.000 how I pictured it. And there's the bush that that 1:28:29.040 --> 1:28:33.880 buck is hiding under, and Ben's telling me green and 1:28:33.920 --> 1:28:36.000 so it's like somehow I'd made it all the way 1:28:36.040 --> 1:28:38.960 over there and was perched up two yards above him 1:28:38.960 --> 1:28:43.760 with a green bag and knowing the bush but not 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:47.679 seeing he was still buried. Right, It's been an hour 1:28:48.080 --> 1:28:50.439 at this point since we've seen the deer, and it's 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:54.920 almost like a non story. I started creeping over, creeping over, 1:28:55.000 --> 1:28:57.920 creeping over, and I had my little shooting fork on 1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:01.160 my tripod and creeping eepen more and more of the 1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:04.000 bushes coming into view, and eventually and I knew would 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:06.439 probably have because it was like I was in very 1:29:06.479 --> 1:29:09.040 tight Like the outdoorsman's boys they say, when you get 1:29:09.080 --> 1:29:13.200 within three yards of a coused DearS zone, he's going 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:16.519 to know you're there, he's gonna bust you. And I 1:29:16.600 --> 1:29:21.280 was well within his in his zone, and um or 1:29:21.320 --> 1:29:23.120 like you gotta be extra cars or it's like it's 1:29:23.160 --> 1:29:25.519 like when you get within that three yards zone, it's 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:28.080 time to really buckle down and pay attention to what 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:32.280 you're doing. And pretty soon he like stood up because 1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:37.720 he sent something wasn't right and it was just that 1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:42.160 was it? Big huge giant buck. I gotta say too, 1:29:42.439 --> 1:29:47.080 like a real honest, big huge giant buck. Gorgeous, the donk, 1:29:47.600 --> 1:29:50.040 the donk buck, the dunk buck. On that note, like 1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:52.280 you're saying that it worked out, I'll put a picture 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:53.600 that up in the show notes if you want to 1:29:53.600 --> 1:29:57.240 look at the big, huge giant bar. The difficulty of 1:29:57.680 --> 1:30:00.439 seeing an area through optics and then trying to pick 1:30:00.479 --> 1:30:02.479 it out when you get there. I feel like, and 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:06.759 this is more a question you guys, actually that ranch 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:10.200 because maybe it's hunting the couse deer. Something in the 1:30:10.240 --> 1:30:14.120 mix makes it even more difficult to judge distance in 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:16.960 like space where we just were the last week than 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:22.960 other areas, because stuff that's close it's actually farther away 1:30:23.000 --> 1:30:26.840 than you think it is. Stuff that's far away is 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:29.800 much closer than you think it is. Yeah. Yeah, because 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:32.120 there's a division that happens that around six or seven 1:30:32.200 --> 1:30:34.640 hundred yards where ain't do you see? Like, how is 1:30:34.680 --> 1:30:36.640 that some bitch four yards away? It seems like he's 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:39.360 two hund yards away. But a knob a rock a 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:41.559 mile away, You're like, that must be a mile away. 1:30:41.600 --> 1:30:45.400 In fact, it's a half mile away. See, it's like 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:50.880 a distancy kind of weirdness. Yeah, so just like share 1:30:50.880 --> 1:30:54.880 any details about your buck. That's unexplainable. But that happened 1:30:54.960 --> 1:30:57.559 multiple times this week at that knob you shot your 1:30:57.600 --> 1:31:00.000 buck from. John, I was like, that's a couple hundred yards, 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:04.720 no three, ye looks close. And then we'd be Ben 1:31:04.720 --> 1:31:06.280 and I were looking at a bug and we're like, 1:31:06.600 --> 1:31:10.240 it's so far away. We range it yards. We could 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:14.439 never get there in a full day. Let's take us hours. 1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:18.880 I hikes. I don't know. I don't I can't begin 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:23.000 to understand it, like why that happens. Barry Lopez talks 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:25.840 about it in the Arctic and Arctic dreams about how 1:31:26.000 --> 1:31:29.920 distances like he talks about people. Um, he talks about 1:31:29.960 --> 1:31:33.640 a hunter stalking a grizzly that turns out to be 1:31:33.640 --> 1:31:38.439 a mormot. I always talked about like prairie this. You know, 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:41.920 we weren't on a prairie, but prairie depth perception. I've 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:45.599 never had it. He's stalking up an antalopen wyoming, crawling 1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:47.639 across the prairie and look up, like, y'all, he's two 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:51.240 hundred yards and he's and he's a hundred yards. I 1:31:51.280 --> 1:31:54.439 think he's eight hundred. I don't. I don't know size reference. Yeah, 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:56.360 the artic dreams. He also talks about a guy who 1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:00.280 thought he's looking at a walrist once a black and 1:32:00.320 --> 1:32:03.160 two white tossed. What he's actually looking at is a 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:06.479 headland of rock with two glaciers coming down the side 1:32:06.479 --> 1:32:11.400 of coming down. The depth perception for me, for me 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:15.080 on this hunt, you know, a lot of it. It 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:18.240 was just the foreignness of the landscape. You know, where 1:32:18.280 --> 1:32:20.720 I live. I'm not looking at century plants, I'm not 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:24.080 looking at okatillos all the time. I'm not looking at 1:32:24.080 --> 1:32:27.240 these things. And so my ability to kind of get 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:30.639 a feel for the distance is pretty bad. And pluses 1:32:31.200 --> 1:32:33.479 a shooting guy, a gun guy, I mean most people's 1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:36.920 you know, I'm I'm lost at sea without a range 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:41.320 finder in terms of precise shooting, and I think most 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:48.000 people vastly overestimate their ability to correctly identify a yardage. Oh, 1:32:48.080 --> 1:32:51.960 I mean unaided, Yeah, unaided, you know, And this was 1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:54.240 this was certainly a case. I mean I was full 1:32:54.600 --> 1:32:57.599 time and time again with the distances on the side. Yeah, 1:32:57.600 --> 1:32:59.599 how many times was there? It was there a pinnacle 1:32:59.840 --> 1:33:03.599 or a pyramid? Ridge with ten different fingers that were 1:33:03.600 --> 1:33:06.040 going in different directions, and some of them were fully shaded, 1:33:06.080 --> 1:33:07.960 some of them were half shaded them, so they made 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:10.000 them look deeper than they might have been. And you thought, oh, 1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:13.479 that's that's a thousand yards and turns out toothousand. And 1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:15.280 the early thing is everyone here has spent their whole 1:33:15.280 --> 1:33:19.200 life looking at normal white tails. Yeah so you got 1:33:19.320 --> 1:33:22.000 that right fixed in your head. But these things are 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:25.599 half the size. Yeah yeah, yeah, and way to put 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:28.360 that perspective. We're looking at John's head when you brought 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:30.760 your head out in the back of the ranger. There. 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:35.680 I mean that full grown, mature buck's head. If you 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:40.639 to take off his antlers, it looks like a fawn. 1:33:42.200 --> 1:33:49.160 The skull is petite nose on it, you know. 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But 1:36:25.840 --> 1:36:28.519 they didn't have their gray winter coats yet, not a 1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:31.759 lot of them, because the gray ghost becomes very gray soon. 1:36:32.520 --> 1:36:36.120 They were more like a brown ghost, still very apparition like, 1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:38.719 but they weren't the gray I saw both. I definitely 1:36:38.800 --> 1:36:40.960 had I was glass in doze sometimes where you could 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:44.160 tell one was definitely a browner shade of deer and 1:36:44.280 --> 1:36:46.760 one was a gray because the dog bucks still had 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:49.040 a red tail. Yeah he didn't have his great coat. 1:36:49.160 --> 1:36:52.360 Yeah he wasn't the gray ghost. A transition almost seemed 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:54.760 to happen just in that seven days as far as 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:58.439 the rut started. Yeah, Al Giganta had it like a 1:36:58.640 --> 1:37:06.679 red tail too, same same had a red tail. Yeh Um. 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:09.120 John and I were hunting together all week, and I 1:37:09.160 --> 1:37:12.880 think on the third day, is the third or fourth day, 1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:16.439 we struck off. The ranch is divided by the highway, 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:18.720 and so we struck off to the east side of 1:37:18.760 --> 1:37:23.720 the highway and uh diferent like four miles in a 1:37:23.760 --> 1:37:26.200 pie shape. Yeah. I wish you guys would have gotten 1:37:26.200 --> 1:37:28.120 to see it, because it was definitely interesting to see 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:32.799 different topography, like all long ridges running the whole length 1:37:32.880 --> 1:37:36.840 of that four miles, and much less vegetation. Still a 1:37:36.880 --> 1:37:44.040 lot of grass, but not the as many oak tillos, oaks, cedars, 1:37:44.120 --> 1:37:47.160 junior pers, whatever you wanna call it. Just open, you know, 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:50.479 and we get up there. Uh, we're on time this 1:37:50.520 --> 1:37:54.439 morning where we needed to be at at daylight, and uh, 1:37:54.640 --> 1:37:56.720 John and Bates are looking one direction. I go and 1:37:56.720 --> 1:37:59.240 look over the other ridge and it's so open. I 1:37:59.280 --> 1:38:01.599 felt like they're and John correct me if I'm wrong, 1:38:01.640 --> 1:38:03.240 But I feel like you could just you felt like 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:05.519 you were seeing everything that was there to see, like 1:38:05.600 --> 1:38:07.920 you weren't like, oh man, it's got there's like all 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:10.599 these hidden pockets where these deer might be, just so 1:38:10.720 --> 1:38:13.559 open that in the first twenty minutes I had twenty deer, 1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:16.160 which is unheard of for a cuse deer hunting. I 1:38:16.200 --> 1:38:17.920 feel like I had never seen that me dere one 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:20.400 morning because it's they're all in the open, they weren't hiding. 1:38:21.320 --> 1:38:25.679 And we saw one. I thought it kind of sucked 1:38:25.720 --> 1:38:30.320 over there, even though you shot a nice buck, well, yeah, 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:33.280 let me finish. So we saw what we we thought 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:36.080 was a shooter buck and it was on the neighbors property. 1:38:36.240 --> 1:38:38.280 Beeto got his permission to go on the neighbors We 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:42.639 started hiking towards it, and before we started hiking, I'm 1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:45.120 telling Beato exactly where it is and how far we're 1:38:45.120 --> 1:38:47.120 going to go to go around where the bucket is, 1:38:47.160 --> 1:38:49.519 to get on the backside to look into where he 1:38:49.560 --> 1:38:52.280 went into and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem. 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:55.120 Beato likes to say no problem him. I'm like, all right, 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:59.639 let's go. So we go like across one good canyon 1:38:59.720 --> 1:39:03.040 and this side. I'm like all right, Beato, like over there, 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:05.000 see that that's where the buck was. We need to 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:07.439 get on the back side where like when you see 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:09.280 there was like some man's in needed trees or something. 1:39:10.560 --> 1:39:13.800 I'm sorry, that's not right ski trees. Man's need is like, 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:16.599 is it a tree? What do you call man's anita 1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:21.479 bush bush? There's no man's in needed there, there's mesquit trees. 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:24.479 And he's like, oh, that's where that buck was. Yeah, 1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:28.280 too far. We just turn around him and as he 1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:32.240 started heading back towards John and uh, from there on out, 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:34.320 I think we glassed up. We had kind of a 1:39:34.320 --> 1:39:38.200 long afternoon session and we and Beato glassed up. But 1:39:38.240 --> 1:39:41.840 maybe a buck and two dolls, right, Yeah, it definitely 1:39:42.360 --> 1:39:45.559 it definitely got slower. It was great looking country though, 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:48.200 Like you said, we had these long ridges that we 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:50.160 could kind of a lot of them. You could see 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:53.040 on both sides of them and down pretty deep, and 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:55.040 that was kind of in contrast to the other side 1:39:55.080 --> 1:39:58.280 of the ranch where you had all those mystery pockets. 1:39:58.520 --> 1:40:01.040 It felt like this Poe if he revealed itself a 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:03.840 little bit more like most your only looking at what's 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:07.920 there exactly, and what it revealed was no dear for me. Yeah, 1:40:08.680 --> 1:40:11.400 definitely felt like is he pretty good at glass? Oh yeah, 1:40:11.439 --> 1:40:17.640 he definitely glad. Yeah. Um, he felt like lower density, 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:24.320 but possibility for El Gagante for sure. So that made 1:40:24.360 --> 1:40:27.320 that means the giant I believe. I don't speak Spanish, 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:32.400 but so we yeah, burned up the afternoon and then 1:40:32.479 --> 1:40:36.640 come evening, John and I decided we're gonna cut across 1:40:36.680 --> 1:40:40.439 a canyon to another ridge we can't get the ranger too, 1:40:40.920 --> 1:40:44.320 and then basically sort of still hunt walk peering down 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:47.280 into these small bowls and have Bato pick us up 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:51.200 at the bottom of the ridge. Well, we get all 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:53.000 the way over there and takes us I don't know, 1:40:53.320 --> 1:40:55.840 thirty minutes. It wasn't like a monster hike, but it was, 1:40:55.920 --> 1:40:58.640 you know, some effort. We crawled up this hillside that 1:40:58.680 --> 1:41:02.320 where we waded through claw that was it wasn't like 1:41:02.360 --> 1:41:04.880 the stuff that was like the the you know, knee 1:41:04.960 --> 1:41:07.080 high and like kind of space you can kind of 1:41:07.120 --> 1:41:10.639 pick a path, I mean it was nipple deep and thick. 1:41:11.000 --> 1:41:14.280 Just okay, pierce in your nip, screw it. I gotta 1:41:14.360 --> 1:41:16.360 just plow through it and just take it like a man, 1:41:16.439 --> 1:41:20.120 you know, covered in deer. Ship though a lot of 1:41:20.160 --> 1:41:22.800 deer people on that hillside. We saw those coyotes up top. 1:41:23.439 --> 1:41:26.920 That's right. We get to the top. Mantel calls us 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:29.680 on the phone. He's like, no, I don't know how 1:41:29.680 --> 1:41:31.400 he had figured it out if he was over there 1:41:31.439 --> 1:41:33.639 working Google Our Earth on his phone. But he's like, 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:35.680 the road that's on that ridge that you guys are on, 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:38.120 I can't get to. It comes from another ranch. You 1:41:38.160 --> 1:41:40.679 guys an have to come back. I can't get over 1:41:40.800 --> 1:41:43.120 to you guys. I'm like, all right, we're gonna hunt 1:41:43.120 --> 1:41:46.320 out here anyways. So we continue hunting down the ranch 1:41:46.439 --> 1:41:51.439 or down its ridge, looking both sides, and uh, did 1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:54.120 we see We didn't see another a single of the deer, 1:41:54.160 --> 1:41:58.320 I don't think right. No, Yeah, I saw the badger monkey. 1:41:58.840 --> 1:42:04.080 So yeah, we glass that bag mondy, that's cool. This 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:06.679 is single. I seemed like you usually seen a little 1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:11.400 groups three or four or a whole ship loader, you know. Um, 1:42:11.479 --> 1:42:14.719 But it was getting later. It was definitely not quite sunset, 1:42:14.760 --> 1:42:16.960 but getting close and we basically had we were at 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:20.040 a spot where we could see a couple of bowls. Um, 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:22.120 we just didn't have where we were hunting. It wasn't 1:42:22.160 --> 1:42:24.519 just the giant vistas where you'd want to just sit 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:27.360 and just spend three hours glassing. You know, you kind 1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:29.320 of had to keep moving because you were just seeing 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:32.080 three to four hundred yards and you have to just 1:42:32.120 --> 1:42:34.479 pop over the next knoll and see another bowl that 1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:38.800 was three yards and keep on. Yeah, the ridge kind 1:42:38.800 --> 1:42:41.320 of zigs out. The ridge had an s curve to it, 1:42:41.439 --> 1:42:48.840 which because every time like skiing down the hill, m m, 1:42:49.240 --> 1:42:51.200 it's gonna have been a pretty lame ski run the 1:42:51.200 --> 1:42:53.439 way we were going, and it had been more just 1:42:53.520 --> 1:43:01.920 like yeah, that's right, we did some in Yeah, John 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:07.640 self arrested. I need that would out. We uh, we 1:43:07.720 --> 1:43:09.880 have like one like we have like we're like, okay, 1:43:09.880 --> 1:43:12.080 we've got enough time, like go over and like let's 1:43:12.080 --> 1:43:13.640 pick one more bowl and we'll go and sit there. 1:43:13.640 --> 1:43:15.240 And we've been looking at the stuff that we couldn't 1:43:15.320 --> 1:43:19.360 quite see. So we had a um. The rich sort 1:43:19.400 --> 1:43:21.720 of had a false bowl in it that we had 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:24.000 to like cross at the head of and then we'd 1:43:24.000 --> 1:43:25.719 be on a spot where we could, you know, glass 1:43:25.720 --> 1:43:27.559 some new country. Can I point out this is not 1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:32.120 how you're supposed to hunt COO's dere Yeah, although even 1:43:32.200 --> 1:43:34.719 Ja was telling me that this ranch and in general, 1:43:34.760 --> 1:43:37.360 because of its choppiness. He's like, you guys might just 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:42.120 have to move around a little bit more and maybe 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:46.439 thirty minutes on each glass and knob um just to 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:48.360 cover it, because there's no way you can. There's just 1:43:48.439 --> 1:43:50.559 not the knob to sit on the way you can 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:53.040 just see it all, you know. And uh, I don't 1:43:53.040 --> 1:43:54.920 know what held you up, but I'm like, yeah, let's 1:43:54.920 --> 1:43:56.920 just go over here and we maybe I only had 1:43:56.960 --> 1:44:00.479 to go eight yards, We're gonna sit down. Some reason 1:44:00.600 --> 1:44:03.160 you stayed back, I don't know, maybe just put some 1:44:03.200 --> 1:44:05.600 gear away in your pack or something. It could be 1:44:05.720 --> 1:44:13.080 just fat and slow, but yeah, and he's like, yeah, 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:16.240 maybe you seared to put away. I had to do 1:44:16.320 --> 1:44:19.960 some push ups. We weren't running anywhere. We just we're 1:44:20.000 --> 1:44:24.200 just glass and wherever John was coming from so or something. 1:44:24.240 --> 1:44:28.040 I was just looking down. But yeah, creep over there, 1:44:28.840 --> 1:44:33.680 and luckily I had mine creeping hat on and uh, 1:44:34.320 --> 1:44:37.080 because it's so easy to do and We've all done 1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:38.720 it where you just like walk right up to the 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:41.280 edge of that ridge and peer over. You're like, oh shit, 1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:44.120 you know a bunch of white tails blown out exactly. 1:44:44.479 --> 1:44:48.760 And I just craft over there and you know, over 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:54.360 the edge, and there's a buck staying there not far away, 1:44:54.560 --> 1:44:57.960 a hundred yards or less, and uh, he's looking away 1:44:58.000 --> 1:45:02.679 from me. Glass him. And I'm packing eights and twelves 1:45:02.920 --> 1:45:05.080 because I like to have my eights on my chest 1:45:05.200 --> 1:45:07.960 for like for this exact situation, but I like to 1:45:07.960 --> 1:45:10.439 have the twelves. So I'm sitting down and starting a 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:13.360 laser distant hillside like, yeah, I want to see. My 1:45:13.479 --> 1:45:16.760 plan was to go down with tens and twelves, but 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:21.120 some insane baggage handler dude, I pulled out my twelves 1:45:22.400 --> 1:45:24.920 packing and hadn't read the last time I came home. 1:45:24.960 --> 1:45:27.000 It looks like someone must have taken a fork truck 1:45:27.040 --> 1:45:29.840 and drove over my twelves. I just send him back 1:45:29.880 --> 1:45:32.719 to Vortex getting fix like ben I cups and stuff 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:36.240 like you have the metal. I don't know what happened. 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:39.639 It was like something bad happened coming home from somewhere 1:45:39.640 --> 1:45:41.280 and I didn't realize and just put them back where 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:43.800 they belong. Right, So I was only down there with 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:51.799 tens solimente, So it goes, is there right, tens only? Yeah? See? 1:45:52.080 --> 1:45:57.000 Oh wait wait, So I'm feeling pretty lucky to have 1:45:57.120 --> 1:45:59.400 caught this buck. And he said, you know, good looking buck, 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:02.479 because he wanted to shoot her way within his zone. Way. 1:46:03.040 --> 1:46:05.679 I'm in there, but I can tell he's something's guy's 1:46:05.680 --> 1:46:09.880 attention below him. He's like, very fixated on something down below. 1:46:10.600 --> 1:46:13.760 And look over my shoulder and eight yards away I 1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:16.360 can kind of see John coming, and I'm like, what 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:19.080 on earth is at this moment? Why is he way 1:46:19.160 --> 1:46:21.559 back there and not right with me? Why is he 1:46:21.560 --> 1:46:24.280 doing push ups back there now? Exactly? It's not the time. 1:46:24.360 --> 1:46:26.559 I'm not sure if you heard me counting, I've done 1:46:26.560 --> 1:46:32.000 a hundred push ups back here. So I'm watching the 1:46:32.080 --> 1:46:35.479 buck and he's motionless, staring down the hill. I'm like, 1:46:35.520 --> 1:46:38.680 all right, I've got some time. And finally John, I 1:46:38.720 --> 1:46:41.320 see John, and I'm like, you know, I'm the beaving 1:46:41.360 --> 1:46:44.439 my arms. Come on, come on with the universal gesture 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:46.920 to means I've found a box. Yeah, and I think 1:46:46.920 --> 1:46:49.320 he sees me. I go back to looking at the 1:46:49.320 --> 1:46:51.280 box and I watched the buck put on the ten seconds. 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:53.240 I look back at John and John's like still that 1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:56.559 kind of creeping towards me, and I'm like no, like now, 1:46:56.720 --> 1:46:59.280 you know. And obviously you hadn't seen my first gestures 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:01.840 because you would have been running, I think, right. But 1:47:01.920 --> 1:47:03.840 the other thing I'll just point out is that you 1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:09.360 seem to forget that you had a deer tag yourself. Yeah, 1:47:09.439 --> 1:47:11.760 and what did you do when you started chasing the deer? 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:14.280 You left your pack in your rifle? Yea. As soon 1:47:14.280 --> 1:47:16.439 as I saw the deer, I took off my pack 1:47:16.640 --> 1:47:18.640 and which I had my rifle strapped to it, just 1:47:18.680 --> 1:47:21.960 to be ultra light weight and sneaky, you know, because 1:47:22.000 --> 1:47:23.840 you wanted to sneak up on the deer without a rifle? 1:47:23.920 --> 1:47:26.920 Is that how you hunt COO's deer? Where was your 1:47:26.920 --> 1:47:30.840 back when I saw him? I just dropped it, just 1:47:30.880 --> 1:47:33.280 thinking that I was gonna be because you were thinking 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:35.559 you're not gonna be the guy that shoots. Yeah, that's 1:47:35.600 --> 1:47:37.800 like seeing a delicious steak and like dropping your fork 1:47:37.840 --> 1:47:40.120 and walking over to it, like no, because he's thinking 1:47:40.160 --> 1:47:42.439 he's not the guy that's gonna shoot. Yeah, I'm gonna 1:47:42.439 --> 1:47:49.320 give John the opportunity. I don't know that, you know. 1:47:49.439 --> 1:47:54.360 I mean, uh, I thought we were like hunting like buddies, 1:47:54.439 --> 1:47:57.880 like everybody was hunting, like everybody was, you know, and 1:47:58.360 --> 1:48:01.640 it wasn't matter you Steve Man, I would have been like, 1:48:01.840 --> 1:48:05.960 come here. Yeah, And well, actually the subcontext of this 1:48:06.080 --> 1:48:10.040 is both I'll let him finish the story, but basically 1:48:10.160 --> 1:48:13.000 neither of us wanted to be done hunting. So he 1:48:13.360 --> 1:48:17.479 tried to trick me into shooting this deer the only 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:20.080 day three a big n a big night. It was 1:48:20.120 --> 1:48:22.759 not a big, huge giant buck with a big buck. Well, 1:48:22.840 --> 1:48:24.880 you know what, I never saw the animal though. I mean, 1:48:24.920 --> 1:48:26.439 this is this is this is part of the thing. 1:48:26.479 --> 1:48:29.759 So he's sneaking up there and he's gesturing me over 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:32.040 like he's on fire and I've got to put him out, 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:37.519 and okay, creep up there, and he's like the books 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:41.080 right below us. He's like, can you shoot off hand 1:48:41.080 --> 1:48:45.680 at seventy five yards? And I'm like, yeah, I can 1:48:45.680 --> 1:48:51.360 do that, can you. He's like, well, I can see 1:48:51.360 --> 1:48:54.080 the buck and I'm like I can't, you know, because 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.800 he's six inches taller than me and he's downhill from me, 1:48:56.880 --> 1:49:01.880 and the whole very handsome, very very wig wa The 1:49:01.920 --> 1:49:08.320 border lady smells nice more importantly sneaky because the buck, 1:49:08.600 --> 1:49:12.160 while we're doing this the first time, being gracious to 1:49:12.200 --> 1:49:15.400 each other, the buck moves across the hill. I lose 1:49:15.439 --> 1:49:17.679 sight of him, and so we had to then back 1:49:17.760 --> 1:49:20.559 off the ridge a little bit, and we circle around 1:49:20.600 --> 1:49:24.479 maybe forty fifty yards and start to do the peak 1:49:24.560 --> 1:49:27.280 over again. At that point, I'm thinking, like I screwed 1:49:27.320 --> 1:49:30.040 the pooch because I got lucky the first time. How 1:49:30.160 --> 1:49:32.240 the hell am I gonna creep over now and at 1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:34.680 seventy yards pick him up before he picks us up? 1:49:34.760 --> 1:49:36.760 You know, it's like I would be thinking that would 1:49:36.800 --> 1:49:39.240 be hard to do, especially when you're up a bum 1:49:39.280 --> 1:49:42.559 because you're like then, like then, only people being above 1:49:42.640 --> 1:49:46.439 more blown. Yeah, But luckily whatever was below him when 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:51.639 we peek back, I don't know never saw. Maybe, like Turner. 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:55.120 Turner once said, if they're ever gonna catch me, they're 1:49:55.120 --> 1:49:59.040 gonna they're gonna have to bait that trap with a 1:49:59.120 --> 1:50:08.000 word that starts P. It could have been possum, It 1:50:08.120 --> 1:50:11.360 could have been a dough down blow. But he was 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:13.920 leaving that whatever it was bothering when he was leaving it, 1:50:14.400 --> 1:50:17.720 so I don't know me that you should have had 1:50:17.720 --> 1:50:21.000 some donk. It should have flipped. That's what I would 1:50:21.000 --> 1:50:23.599 have said. Let me get some donk out and a knife, 1:50:23.600 --> 1:50:26.400 and I'm gonna go cut off a coin and gouge 1:50:26.439 --> 1:50:29.240 one side and we'll settle this. Like, man, we didn't 1:50:29.280 --> 1:50:33.759 have time for that. We're in tight. Yeah. So anyways, 1:50:33.800 --> 1:50:36.719 we pick him up again and he's we can range 1:50:36.720 --> 1:50:40.400 the tree behind him, it's like one thirty something, and 1:50:40.400 --> 1:50:43.720 he looks to be a good bit closer, so you know, 1:50:44.160 --> 1:50:46.920 I thought he was. Well, we ran down there after him. 1:50:46.920 --> 1:50:49.320 It only took us seconds to run down after we 1:50:49.640 --> 1:50:51.760 after I finally hit him. It took you seconds. It 1:50:51.800 --> 1:50:55.679 took me about four minutes, but I was running. So yeah. 1:50:55.760 --> 1:50:58.960 Finally John's like, yeah, you could shoot my gun. I'm like, okay, 1:50:59.280 --> 1:51:01.599 you onto twist my arm too much. I'll shoot your 1:51:01.600 --> 1:51:04.120 gun at this buck. Why are you guys swapping out 1:51:04.160 --> 1:51:06.680 guns now? Because I left mine. I left my path 1:51:06.800 --> 1:51:10.599 far away, just fifty yards, but again we're seventy yards 1:51:10.600 --> 1:51:16.479 in this book. You knowver leave your pat that's true. 1:51:17.080 --> 1:51:22.040 Never leave your pack. Great advice, because you just don't 1:51:22.040 --> 1:51:26.439 know how this is gonna wind up. You don't. You don't. Well, 1:51:26.479 --> 1:51:28.719 I thought I was gonna force John into shooting this box. 1:51:29.320 --> 1:51:31.680 Didn't work. I feel like I want to clear I 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:34.200 want to just get some clarity on something. I feel 1:51:34.240 --> 1:51:38.960 like you, John are trying to say that there's something 1:51:39.040 --> 1:51:42.000 else going on. And it wasn't just Yanni being generous 1:51:42.040 --> 1:51:46.120 about who's shooting at the buck. Yeah, I mean, I 1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:49.040 think we were both having a really good time on 1:51:49.080 --> 1:51:52.719 this hunt. And you know, we were being at least 1:51:52.760 --> 1:51:54.840 I was being a little selected. We had seen so 1:51:55.000 --> 1:51:57.639 you think Yanni was like, this looks like a great 1:51:57.680 --> 1:52:02.840 buck for you, buddy. No, No, I know. I actually 1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:04.760 I'm not going to accuse Yanny of that. I don't 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:08.040 think he was trying to like give me a sub 1:52:08.120 --> 1:52:12.719 Yanni buck. But I do think but I do think 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:16.360 that he was in guide mode all of a sudden, 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:22.840 like just conveniently leaving his rifle elsewhere, and you know, 1:52:22.960 --> 1:52:26.120 wanted me to pull the trigger so he could keep hunting. 1:52:27.520 --> 1:52:29.360 And you know how it is when you don't get 1:52:29.400 --> 1:52:32.840 to carry on a rifle anymore. And for me, I 1:52:32.880 --> 1:52:36.680 was having I can't overstay, you know, like like all 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:38.080 of us, you know, I get to hunt a lot 1:52:38.120 --> 1:52:42.440 of places and this kind of hunting, this beautiful country, 1:52:42.840 --> 1:52:46.880 this glassing intensive thing, looking for these elusive creatures, and 1:52:46.880 --> 1:52:49.400 they are they're weary animals. I mean some of like 1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:52.160 your hunt. You know, you got up on them, perfect man. 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:55.280 That's not how it usually plays out. You know. Well, 1:52:55.280 --> 1:52:57.040 I point I have a hunter accused your five times 1:52:57.040 --> 1:53:00.840 and I've gotten to week long. There you go. And 1:53:00.840 --> 1:53:03.880 there was another example from the day before when Yanni 1:53:03.960 --> 1:53:06.360 got his deer, and you know, I was up on 1:53:07.000 --> 1:53:09.280 a big knob we were watching. I spotted a pretty 1:53:09.280 --> 1:53:11.760 good buck about seven yards away, and Yanni had gone 1:53:11.760 --> 1:53:15.559 off to check out a ridge on his own, and 1:53:15.600 --> 1:53:18.240 you know, he was probably at least a good thousand 1:53:18.360 --> 1:53:20.760 yards from that bucket. When he was working his way 1:53:20.800 --> 1:53:24.240 back over to my position, that buck popped up his head, 1:53:24.320 --> 1:53:27.559 looked at Yanni and didn't panic, but it was like, 1:53:27.600 --> 1:53:30.479 you know what, that cushion doesn't feel good to me, 1:53:30.520 --> 1:53:33.000 even from a thousand yards, got up out of his bed, 1:53:33.120 --> 1:53:35.320 was looking at him, and he had a little little 1:53:35.360 --> 1:53:38.000 buck buddy with him. They just kind of slowly ambled 1:53:38.000 --> 1:53:40.880 and drifted away, you know. And and that there just 1:53:40.880 --> 1:53:46.799 shows you these are these are very wary smart creatures. 1:53:47.280 --> 1:53:49.880 And the day before I shot my buck, you had 1:53:49.880 --> 1:53:52.519 spotted a good buck and we put the stock on him, 1:53:53.160 --> 1:53:56.200 kicked up a deer that went right by the buck 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:58.679 we were trying to kill, and instead of this buck 1:53:58.760 --> 1:54:01.280 just laying there watching him stream by, he's like, well, 1:54:01.680 --> 1:54:04.400 if they're running out, run into see you later. There's 1:54:04.439 --> 1:54:08.000 two kinds of bucks in this world. There's bucks that 1:54:08.160 --> 1:54:12.000 see everybody running around getting all excited, and they're like, 1:54:12.240 --> 1:54:15.599 that is a good way to get shot, running around 1:54:16.360 --> 1:54:20.000 getting all worked up about nothing. I'm gonna lay tight 1:54:20.760 --> 1:54:24.240 until I see, Yeah, when I see the problem and 1:54:24.280 --> 1:54:26.479 I determined that it really is a problem, then I 1:54:26.479 --> 1:54:29.080 will decide to move. And then there's bucks who are like, 1:54:30.160 --> 1:54:32.560 if something's bothering them, I'm gonna play it safe and 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:37.520 actin that bothers me too, and trust that day right. 1:54:37.760 --> 1:54:40.360 And I think each type of buck can get killed 1:54:40.400 --> 1:54:45.000 by his own perspective. The buck I got should have 1:54:45.040 --> 1:54:48.840 been the kind of buck who sees trouble and says 1:54:48.920 --> 1:54:51.760 me too, not the kind of buck who says, I'm 1:54:51.760 --> 1:54:54.160 gonna wait and see how this plays out before I go, 1:54:54.320 --> 1:54:57.520 burning all my calories up for nothing. Because if I 1:54:57.600 --> 1:54:59.520 ran every time someone ran, all I'd ever do is 1:54:59.560 --> 1:55:02.640 run around him and gotta be shot by gun by now. 1:55:04.560 --> 1:55:08.000 So anyhow, there you are, there we are, And I 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:14.000 take John's gun and like I said, seventy to eighty 1:55:14.080 --> 1:55:16.760 yards and I gotta shoot all panks of a bunch 1:55:16.760 --> 1:55:19.560 of grass. Like crouch down. You can't even see the deer. 1:55:19.760 --> 1:55:21.360 If you kind of get a SENDI crouch you can 1:55:21.360 --> 1:55:25.240 see his head you stand up the full eagle. Yeah, 1:55:25.280 --> 1:55:27.760 you can pretty much see his body. But even then 1:55:27.760 --> 1:55:29.920 there's some stuff, and so like look through the sculpe, 1:55:29.920 --> 1:55:32.600 I'm like, man, there's too much stuff. I crank up 1:55:32.640 --> 1:55:34.920 the sculpe a little bit and there's still too much stuff. 1:55:34.920 --> 1:55:36.360 You can't go to the scope a little bit more, 1:55:36.360 --> 1:55:39.280 and I can finally like pick the lane through the stuff. Right, 1:55:39.280 --> 1:55:41.120 instead of it being all fuzzy, I can now see 1:55:41.120 --> 1:55:46.200 a few occaateos. Mostly I could see a lane. And 1:55:46.200 --> 1:55:48.360 you know how when you crank, as you crank the 1:55:48.400 --> 1:55:53.040 sculpe up, your aim gets worse as short ranges. Yeah, right, 1:55:53.080 --> 1:55:55.360 and maybe Johnny you can speak to why that happens, 1:55:55.480 --> 1:55:57.960 because you see you realize just how shap how much 1:55:57.960 --> 1:56:00.000 shape you have, right, Yeah, And there are a whole 1:56:00.040 --> 1:56:02.480 bunch of reasons. That's one of them, that that perception 1:56:02.480 --> 1:56:05.360 of wobble when you crank it up. I shoot most 1:56:05.400 --> 1:56:09.560 things at very low power, all things considered, you actually 1:56:09.560 --> 1:56:11.520 had a good you're explaining it now, you actually had 1:56:11.520 --> 1:56:13.280 a pretty good reason to turn up your power a 1:56:13.320 --> 1:56:15.760 little bit. But the problem is is that you get 1:56:15.800 --> 1:56:18.280 that extra amount of wobble, so you start to overcorrect 1:56:18.280 --> 1:56:21.160 and just kind of, almost on a subconscious level, second 1:56:21.200 --> 1:56:24.000 guess yourself. The second thing is is the higher you 1:56:24.040 --> 1:56:26.800 go up in that magnification, you're shrinking your field of view. 1:56:27.600 --> 1:56:30.120 So when you take that shot and you lose your 1:56:30.120 --> 1:56:34.080 site picture under recoil, you've made it much harder for 1:56:34.160 --> 1:56:38.640 yourself to to reacquire exactly. And you know, you when 1:56:38.640 --> 1:56:41.360 you hunt enough that being able to get a sense 1:56:41.360 --> 1:56:44.240 of what that animal has done after the shot can 1:56:44.280 --> 1:56:46.760 make a huge, huge difference. So yeah, I mean, lower 1:56:46.800 --> 1:56:51.040 magnification is is the way to go. And part of 1:56:51.040 --> 1:56:53.000 it is, you know, you shoot enough, you learn to 1:56:53.040 --> 1:56:57.080 trust your cross airs. You know, at at four x, 1:56:57.640 --> 1:57:00.600 for example, it's a good like general kind of power 1:57:00.640 --> 1:57:02.880 to keep a scope on. You know, if if that 1:57:03.000 --> 1:57:05.800 even though the cross ears look like it's dominating the 1:57:05.840 --> 1:57:08.960 deer's vitals. You know. Our eyes have a really great 1:57:08.960 --> 1:57:12.480 ability to kind of just center those things symmetrically, you know, 1:57:12.520 --> 1:57:13.840 And if you get it in there and you just 1:57:13.920 --> 1:57:16.520 trust in it, it's gonna work. That is the point 1:57:16.520 --> 1:57:19.480 of aim. You don't have to jack it up to 1:57:19.560 --> 1:57:23.520 twelve power or whatever the top end is. You're not 1:57:23.680 --> 1:57:26.720 really making things more accurate. In fact, you're kind of 1:57:26.760 --> 1:57:30.680 setting yourself up for potential problems by doing that. I 1:57:30.800 --> 1:57:35.440 walk around with mine on very low often thinking because 1:57:35.440 --> 1:57:37.360 if you kick something up for something, all things right 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:40.800 there in your face, you can find it in a hurry. Absolutely, 1:57:40.960 --> 1:57:43.000 I don't crank mine up and sown. I'm like laid 1:57:43.000 --> 1:57:45.240 down ready to shoot, and it's a long shot. Then 1:57:45.280 --> 1:57:48.000 I'll crank it up. Yeah, if you need that extra magnification, 1:57:48.040 --> 1:57:49.800 you will always have time to dial it up. So 1:57:49.880 --> 1:57:52.160 it's you know, you never need a whole bunch in 1:57:52.200 --> 1:57:56.520 a hurry, but you oftentimes need not much in a hurry. Absolutely, 1:57:57.960 --> 1:58:01.200 So there you are there, I am too much power, 1:58:01.680 --> 1:58:06.440 and I'm seeing the wobbles. So this is gonna get interesting. 1:58:06.840 --> 1:58:08.960 This is a little trick that you try that doesn't 1:58:08.960 --> 1:58:14.320 work very good. It eventually worked. But I had read 1:58:14.400 --> 1:58:18.160 somewhere that I don't I forget who it was. Might 1:58:18.200 --> 1:58:23.880 have been Van's wall. Yeah. That like as opposed to 1:58:23.960 --> 1:58:26.160 just trying to like put the crosshairs in the middle 1:58:26.440 --> 1:58:29.040 and then trying to hold them there and fighting the wobbles, 1:58:29.680 --> 1:58:32.160 it's sort of better to like come into the zone 1:58:32.680 --> 1:58:34.960 and sort of pick a direction to be moving through 1:58:35.000 --> 1:58:38.200 your where you want to hit, and then squeeze the trigger. 1:58:39.360 --> 1:58:42.280 Right do you understand when you say right? Do you 1:58:42.280 --> 1:58:47.160 mean do I understand? You understand what I'm saying? I understand. Okay. 1:58:49.560 --> 1:58:55.000 I missed twice doing whatever I'm doing. Yeah, and then 1:58:55.040 --> 1:58:57.280 the third time I just took a little maybe a 1:58:57.320 --> 1:59:01.120 little bit deeper breath and uh hit him. How is 1:59:01.160 --> 1:59:08.000 this buck letting you be that close blouching away and 1:59:08.400 --> 1:59:13.760 racking rounds? I wish I had that. I had Bucks 1:59:13.760 --> 1:59:16.080 looking at me for three or fifty yards away the 1:59:16.160 --> 1:59:19.520 whole week. To ye Credit didn't know we were there. 1:59:19.880 --> 1:59:23.600 Was it dusky, very light? Light was dropping. But to 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:26.640 Yannie Credit, he worked the bolt on the gun quickly. 1:59:27.440 --> 1:59:30.600 It's not like he shot and then waited a few seconds. 1:59:30.640 --> 1:59:35.400 He's like he's working lever action. Yeah. He I think 1:59:35.440 --> 1:59:38.880 he knew he was just kind of given the deer 1:59:38.880 --> 1:59:40.800 a couple of extra chances. I don't know what it was. 1:59:40.920 --> 1:59:43.800 He like, Jerry Cloward. Man, I mean, look, man, I 1:59:43.920 --> 1:59:45.840 messed twice. I mean full on. I mean, if that 1:59:45.880 --> 1:59:47.840 buck would have ran on the first one, I don't. 1:59:47.880 --> 1:59:49.400 I mean, who knows. Maybe he would have run a 1:59:49.440 --> 1:59:51.240 hundred yards and stopped and I would have been able 1:59:51.280 --> 1:59:53.000 to take a knee. Actually, you know what I can 1:59:53.560 --> 1:59:55.720 you missed. I know why he missed because he wasn't 1:59:55.720 --> 1:59:58.160 aiming at it right. Well, there was that, But I 1:59:58.200 --> 2:00:02.520 also up when I handed him the rifle. You know, 2:00:02.560 --> 2:00:05.600 I said, look, the trigger pull on this is fairly light, 2:00:06.880 --> 2:00:10.879 you know, and you know, so I think what happened 2:00:10.920 --> 2:00:13.200 is is he's bringing it up. You know, he's starting 2:00:13.240 --> 2:00:15.400 his little trigger press. It's sort of as he's doing 2:00:15.440 --> 2:00:18.720 his quail pull through a rising teal or whatever it was. 2:00:18.920 --> 2:00:22.320 And I think he just trip the trip the trigger 2:00:22.520 --> 2:00:25.720 a little too quick, because it's got a fairly light, 2:00:25.760 --> 2:00:28.120 crisp trigger on that gun. I'm gonna start calling it, 2:00:28.160 --> 2:00:30.360 even though he doesn't remember where it came from, start 2:00:30.400 --> 2:00:35.320 calling it the Yannie that that method, that method that 2:00:35.440 --> 2:00:40.120 way to miss. It's called a yanni. So but John, 2:00:40.240 --> 2:00:43.160 speak to that. There is some right we've talked about this. 2:00:43.240 --> 2:00:45.240 You said it's maybe not like pulling through, but you 2:00:45.240 --> 2:00:47.800 said there's like a figure eight thing where it's opposed 2:00:47.800 --> 2:00:50.760 to like trying to hold one figure eight into this. 2:00:51.280 --> 2:00:54.200 Instead of holding one spot, it is better to sort 2:00:54.240 --> 2:00:58.960 of cross the bull's eye. The part of the thing 2:00:59.040 --> 2:01:02.160 is is that you hold it when you're shooting off 2:01:02.240 --> 2:01:05.800 hand unsupported. You cannot hold those cross hairs dead steady. 2:01:06.280 --> 2:01:08.400 You're just flat out can't do it. So you're gonna 2:01:08.440 --> 2:01:11.480 be dealing with radical wobble if you try to hold 2:01:11.520 --> 2:01:14.200 it straight on like we're talking about. Typically, what you 2:01:14.280 --> 2:01:16.600 get is that figure eight motion that you're talking about, 2:01:16.640 --> 2:01:20.520 and that naturally happens. And what you have to do 2:01:20.560 --> 2:01:22.240 is you have to be comfortable with that and not 2:01:22.320 --> 2:01:25.600 get essentially, train yourself not to be nervous about it, 2:01:25.920 --> 2:01:30.680 and learn to shoot when that figure eight is crossing 2:01:30.680 --> 2:01:33.240 where you want. What you're doing, Actually, what you're doing 2:01:33.320 --> 2:01:36.600 isn't fully wrong. You know. I would say it's seventy 2:01:36.640 --> 2:01:39.000 five yards on a deer sized thing. Though you can 2:01:39.040 --> 2:01:41.440 pull that thing up and you have enough time just 2:01:41.480 --> 2:01:44.240 to kind of snug that thing into your shoulder, you know, 2:01:44.360 --> 2:01:46.640 and it will steady there for a second, focus hard, 2:01:46.680 --> 2:01:51.360 and shoot like you don't have to overthink it. Um. Yeah, 2:01:51.640 --> 2:01:53.960 but the idea of coming up with the idea is 2:01:54.000 --> 2:01:57.840 to come up and stop. And I don't know, maybe 2:01:57.840 --> 2:01:59.760 you guys kind of know that trick from bow hunting too. 2:02:00.240 --> 2:02:02.320 You know, that's a bow hunting way of dropping your pin, 2:02:03.280 --> 2:02:05.520 you know, you know, settling your pin on an animal. 2:02:05.560 --> 2:02:08.800 You go and stop, you know, you you either pull 2:02:08.880 --> 2:02:10.800 you know, pull it up onto the animal or drop 2:02:10.840 --> 2:02:13.000 it down. And that's the way to kind of hold 2:02:13.040 --> 2:02:15.920 get your pins steady. So there is some precedent for 2:02:15.960 --> 2:02:19.520 that technique, but um, honestly, at that distance, you just 2:02:19.520 --> 2:02:21.040 want to put it on it and shoot the damn 2:02:21.120 --> 2:02:25.840 thing where my figure eight thing that that description is run. 2:02:25.960 --> 2:02:31.880 Layton Um was a door gunner in Vietnam, and he 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:34.880 likes to talk about the problem with running that M 2:02:34.920 --> 2:02:37.080 sixty out of the door was that it would drift 2:02:37.200 --> 2:02:41.200 from the recoil, and he learned to control the drift 2:02:42.480 --> 2:02:47.360 shooting as them sixty by by giving into it mm hmmm. 2:02:48.320 --> 2:02:50.520 And he said he would always run figure eights over 2:02:50.560 --> 2:02:56.360 his targets. He hate to be a target in Franz. Yeah, 2:02:56.440 --> 2:02:58.880 him running figure eights over you. Yeah, and of course 2:02:58.920 --> 2:03:01.920 it s shounded rounds a minute too. You've got some 2:03:02.000 --> 2:03:05.560 extra lee with here too. You're not buying the ammo. 2:03:06.760 --> 2:03:09.360 So all of a sudden, what so yeah, third one 2:03:09.440 --> 2:03:17.520 hits him. Yeah, there wasn't that much. It wasn't it was, Yeah, 2:03:17.640 --> 2:03:21.400 and uh we can tell his his ascent drops. He's 2:03:21.480 --> 2:03:23.760 kind of like going away from us, and he disappears 2:03:23.800 --> 2:03:28.640 almost instantly, and uh, kind of Turkey esque style. I 2:03:28.760 --> 2:03:32.800 just you know, take off Marylon down the hill as 2:03:32.800 --> 2:03:35.520 though going after it hit Turkey. Yeah, because last thing 2:03:35.560 --> 2:03:38.120 I saw was him like moving away, and it kind 2:03:38.120 --> 2:03:40.200 of looked like he might still have his front legs, 2:03:40.880 --> 2:03:44.200 you know, and after missing twice, you know, it wasn't 2:03:44.240 --> 2:03:47.880 like fully confident about weren't feeling coy. But we run 2:03:47.920 --> 2:03:52.640 down there and he's stone cold dead, double long graveyard dead. 2:03:52.840 --> 2:03:55.640 Graveyard would say, oh my god. It looked like the 2:03:55.680 --> 2:03:58.120 blood trail looked like somebody took a gallon of red paint, 2:03:58.120 --> 2:04:04.520 and just yeah, no, third time is the charm. Yeah. 2:04:04.760 --> 2:04:09.280 If mine was a big, huge giant buck, yours was 2:04:09.360 --> 2:04:14.600 a big huge buck. Yeah t bit not as big 2:04:14.720 --> 2:04:19.440 huge giant as I couldn't mean we will put pictures 2:04:19.520 --> 2:04:23.080 up to show, No, I would. I would happily trade 2:04:23.080 --> 2:04:27.800 you right now. I always likes time about made with Ben. 2:04:27.880 --> 2:04:31.320 It's like kind of nice to incrementally build up too, 2:04:31.520 --> 2:04:34.280 you know, two bigger animals, because you kind of always 2:04:34.280 --> 2:04:36.520 have like the next step to look forward to. You know, 2:04:36.760 --> 2:04:39.480 once you shoot two under niche mule here, you may 2:04:39.520 --> 2:04:41.840 never get to see another one that big. Let alone 2:04:41.840 --> 2:04:44.960 shoot at one. I had to reset. I had to reset, 2:04:45.160 --> 2:04:49.280 And now I'm going back down the other directions I'll shoot. 2:04:49.400 --> 2:04:52.680 I climbed up. Now I'm climbing down. I'm gonna start 2:04:52.720 --> 2:04:58.920 with forkers and backup. Um so, yeah, the story gets 2:04:58.920 --> 2:05:02.760 a little we we make quick work of, uh chopping 2:05:02.800 --> 2:05:07.400 them up, get him into backpacks and uh remember we 2:05:07.480 --> 2:05:10.680 crossed this canyon earlier to get over there to this 2:05:10.760 --> 2:05:14.360 ridge we're hunting. Well, we're now maybe half mile down 2:05:14.400 --> 2:05:17.960 the ridge and Veto and the ranger are right across 2:05:18.120 --> 2:05:20.360 from us. He was he was able to move the 2:05:20.720 --> 2:05:24.840 yeah down his ridge, and I mean we can see 2:05:24.920 --> 2:05:29.520 him seven yards away because we had done the site 2:05:29.520 --> 2:05:33.200 and go thing on the GPS, which really quickly is 2:05:33.200 --> 2:05:35.840 basically you point the GPS and lock a direction towards 2:05:35.880 --> 2:05:37.760 the target and your range find it so you know 2:05:37.800 --> 2:05:40.400 exactly how far it is, and you can put those 2:05:40.440 --> 2:05:42.960 two pieces of data into your GPS and project the 2:05:43.000 --> 2:05:45.640 way points so that later, whether it's an animal or 2:05:45.680 --> 2:05:49.680 a ranger or whatever, you can find it. So we're 2:05:49.680 --> 2:05:51.560 at the top of this hill. I'm like, yeah, John, 2:05:51.640 --> 2:05:53.920 let's just bang off this thing right down across the 2:05:53.960 --> 2:05:58.440 canyon on the other side. Yeah. Well, we get down 2:05:58.480 --> 2:06:02.080 after going through a caf we get down to a 2:06:02.200 --> 2:06:04.120 bench and all we have to do is cross what 2:06:04.280 --> 2:06:06.560 looks to be a little bitty canyon and up the 2:06:06.640 --> 2:06:10.680 other side and back in the ranger driving home and uh, 2:06:10.760 --> 2:06:13.600 we start looking at the edges canyon and it's there's 2:06:13.720 --> 2:06:15.440 it's like a pret steep drop off. But then we 2:06:15.440 --> 2:06:18.120 find a little crease. I'm like, well, you know, mother 2:06:18.240 --> 2:06:20.520 Nature's a little crease. Should just crease it's right down 2:06:20.640 --> 2:06:24.400 the Well. We get down in there and it's, uh, 2:06:24.480 --> 2:06:27.520 it gets deeper and steeper, and when there's the rocks 2:06:27.560 --> 2:06:31.880 that are trickling below is are kind of rolling rolling, 2:06:31.960 --> 2:06:38.440 and then there'll be a second pause then, so it's 2:06:38.480 --> 2:06:41.280 not looking good, and I'm I kind of peel off 2:06:41.280 --> 2:06:42.680 to the right a little bit to see if I 2:06:42.720 --> 2:06:44.960 can find a way down. And all of a sudden, 2:06:45.000 --> 2:06:47.400 I here like, oh ship, you know, and I look 2:06:47.480 --> 2:06:50.840 over and John is now sliding down the slow crease 2:06:51.800 --> 2:06:55.240 and I'm like, please, dear guys, and stop. Do not 2:06:55.440 --> 2:06:58.440 want John to go over the edge. And uh yeah, 2:06:58.440 --> 2:07:01.440 did you grab something find only to stop or just 2:07:01.440 --> 2:07:04.560 just dig your heels and no. I I clenched the 2:07:04.680 --> 2:07:12.200 ground so tightly with my butt. She it was like 2:07:12.280 --> 2:07:15.760 a bs. What happened was we were on it was 2:07:15.800 --> 2:07:17.600 a very steep I don't know what the grade is 2:07:17.640 --> 2:07:20.720 on that, but this is the you we alluded it to. 2:07:20.920 --> 2:07:23.400 We alluded to it before with like the screen, like 2:07:23.440 --> 2:07:25.760 the marble like quality. You know, this is kind of 2:07:25.760 --> 2:07:29.000 like rotten ground, you know, I mean, just the dirts loose. 2:07:29.040 --> 2:07:33.640 And I had managed to dislodge pretty good, like about 2:07:33.640 --> 2:07:37.840 a pumpkin sized boulder behind me that took my legs 2:07:37.840 --> 2:07:41.560 out from under me. And you know, I was and 2:07:41.680 --> 2:07:43.880 I ended up. I probably only slid twenty or twenty, 2:07:44.360 --> 2:07:47.160 but man, it lasted a long time. And you know, 2:07:47.280 --> 2:07:50.480 just whatever, I just clawted everything to stop and did 2:07:50.520 --> 2:07:54.240 it before I went down and over the edge. And 2:07:54.280 --> 2:07:58.760 at that point I lost enthusiasm for for Yanni's navigational 2:07:59.520 --> 2:08:03.080 and so he's usually pretty good. So we went up 2:08:03.120 --> 2:08:06.879 and down not far but a hundred yards in each direction. 2:08:07.520 --> 2:08:10.120 Nothing looked like it was gonna get any better. It 2:08:10.240 --> 2:08:12.000 just looked like we were just on top of this 2:08:12.200 --> 2:08:14.960 king and basically with you know, steep walls. And instead 2:08:15.000 --> 2:08:18.840 of going the Explora Tory methany farther, we decided to 2:08:18.880 --> 2:08:21.560 let's take fifteen minutes and walked back up the hill. 2:08:21.600 --> 2:08:25.160 We just came down and walk basically exactly the same 2:08:25.240 --> 2:08:29.040 way out that we had come in. Because we know 2:08:29.160 --> 2:08:31.320 that we can do it. It won't be any surprises. 2:08:31.440 --> 2:08:33.520 Just followed a little red line on the GPS. Who 2:08:33.560 --> 2:08:36.320 was carrying all the butt meat? I was, and I 2:08:36.360 --> 2:08:42.120 gave John all my gear um and uh yeah, So 2:08:42.160 --> 2:08:44.440 we did that in about two and a half hours later, 2:08:44.960 --> 2:08:49.640 we caught up with Beat and drove home. Yeah. I 2:08:49.760 --> 2:08:51.400 talked about then by the time you guys got back, 2:08:51.400 --> 2:08:54.240 I thought you'd been beheaded and dissolved the bed of acid. 2:08:55.320 --> 2:08:59.080 The only explanation here is that that was the most 2:08:59.120 --> 2:09:01.600 stressful part of the trip for me, and I was like, 2:09:01.600 --> 2:09:07.000 should we just make dinner for us? Even without the detour, 2:09:07.040 --> 2:09:10.000 it would have been a good hour, you know, pack job. Well, 2:09:10.000 --> 2:09:13.240 it's it's rugged country, and it's funny because we got 2:09:13.280 --> 2:09:16.040 back and you know, finally got within striking distance to 2:09:16.080 --> 2:09:19.040 the razor. So the dim dim headlights on that thing. 2:09:19.080 --> 2:09:20.680 The headlights on things are like on a model T. 2:09:22.720 --> 2:09:26.400 You said, it's like driving my candlewights. It sort of 2:09:26.400 --> 2:09:29.480 like mood lighting. And I thought, for sure, like what 2:09:29.640 --> 2:09:32.560 I was like, salvation is at hand. You know, there's 2:09:32.600 --> 2:09:34.440 the there's the razor, and we jump in this thing, 2:09:34.480 --> 2:09:37.200 and you know, I sort of just I like driving 2:09:37.240 --> 2:09:40.160 those things. So I'm sort of appointed myself as the 2:09:40.600 --> 2:09:43.920 designated driver. And we take off and I go maybe 2:09:43.920 --> 2:09:47.600 twenty yards and I all of a sudden hit this ditch. 2:09:47.640 --> 2:09:50.360 That damn your flips the thing. Yeah, it drops like 2:09:50.400 --> 2:09:52.520 two wheels into a ditch to where the wheels don't 2:09:52.520 --> 2:09:55.960 touch the bottom of it. We're kind of high centered 2:09:56.000 --> 2:09:59.280 and luckily those things it was a six wheeler ranger 2:09:59.480 --> 2:10:02.360 and you put into six wheel drive and it climbed 2:10:02.440 --> 2:10:04.800 right out of here. But it's kind of one of 2:10:04.840 --> 2:10:06.880 those deals where you're like, oh, the adventure is over 2:10:07.240 --> 2:10:13.040 right home. Like I'm telling you, it's ruthless country man. 2:10:13.120 --> 2:10:17.400 There's no there's no escape. It is raw, rugged country. 2:10:17.480 --> 2:10:20.920 That's that's huge part of the appeal of it. Yeah, Okay, 2:10:20.960 --> 2:10:24.200 I now need to install a sort of montage. I'm 2:10:24.200 --> 2:10:26.880 gonna tell a quick story that serves the function of 2:10:26.880 --> 2:10:35.400 a montage. In the movie. Um, Ben and I have 2:10:35.880 --> 2:10:41.880 grow curious about the Southwest Corner, the Wild Southwest Corner, 2:10:41.880 --> 2:10:47.880 the Wild Corner, and we head in there, um and 2:10:48.120 --> 2:10:51.120 just start tearing it a new one with the Buyos 2:10:51.360 --> 2:10:56.200 and find like the homeland. Ben said, I feel like 2:10:56.240 --> 2:10:58.600 we're now in their bedroom or something like that. Yeah. 2:10:58.720 --> 2:11:01.640 When we sat down in the first I felt unbelievable 2:11:01.640 --> 2:11:06.000 monster bucks running every which way. To refer to the 2:11:06.200 --> 2:11:10.000 to the location of the dunk Buck tit as kind 2:11:10.000 --> 2:11:13.960 of like overlooking their lands. By the time we got 2:11:14.000 --> 2:11:17.080 into the middle of the Southwest Corner, we were on 2:11:17.120 --> 2:11:20.240 the back porch. We were there. We could smell them. Yeah, 2:11:20.360 --> 2:11:23.640 we could smell him. We're in there in the southwest quadrant. Yes. 2:11:25.880 --> 2:11:28.280 I also want to add in this montage, there's also 2:11:28.320 --> 2:11:31.000 a moment after which we encounter a bucket another area 2:11:31.000 --> 2:11:35.680 called El Surpriso, and we grow very interested in ell SURPRISEO. 2:11:36.840 --> 2:11:41.960 But that's Spanish for the surprise we leeve believe. We 2:11:42.040 --> 2:11:46.760 grow addressed in the Surpriser ll surprisal, bump them, get 2:11:46.840 --> 2:11:48.800 up on a way high perch, and devote a whole 2:11:48.880 --> 2:11:52.640 day to trying to relocate them. Don't get sick of 2:11:52.680 --> 2:11:56.520 looking at that area, and decided to explore the Southwest quadrant. 2:11:56.720 --> 2:12:02.640 Go back to the Southwest Quadrant, discover buck Land. The 2:12:02.760 --> 2:12:05.520 next day, decided to go back and maybe try to 2:12:05.560 --> 2:12:09.080 find else Surprise Oh again because he still haunting us. 2:12:09.920 --> 2:12:17.720 At which point John and Yanni move into the Southwest 2:12:17.760 --> 2:12:24.960 quadrant Shangarlat they find two that is loaded with with 2:12:25.800 --> 2:12:32.240 bucks in in the other deer, and then more stuff happens, 2:12:32.680 --> 2:12:35.920 and then we decided to go back into the Southwest 2:12:36.000 --> 2:12:39.960 quadrant and really tear it the new one where everybody's 2:12:40.040 --> 2:12:48.920 going in and we're gonna glass the dickens out of it. John, well, 2:12:48.960 --> 2:12:54.200 you we're getting frustrated with me. I think had punted 2:12:54.280 --> 2:12:57.520 with you know what the things because you're Mr Picky, 2:12:59.400 --> 2:13:01.520 because your Mr Picky. All I hear about all the 2:13:01.560 --> 2:13:04.280 giant bucks. These guys see here, see He's like, how 2:13:04.320 --> 2:13:07.000 far away was that? Dear here? A hundred five in? 2:13:07.360 --> 2:13:14.080 How far away wasn't a thousand yards? What's wrong with that? What? Like? Mr? 2:13:14.120 --> 2:13:16.360 Shooting Editor? I thought you could shoot. It was like 2:13:16.400 --> 2:13:19.920 just all these barts went around just love him in there. 2:13:21.120 --> 2:13:23.400 I have to admit I was loving this hunt so much. 2:13:23.480 --> 2:13:25.680 I just didn't want it to be over. And I 2:13:25.720 --> 2:13:29.680 feel like time time bore you out. That's all you 2:13:29.680 --> 2:13:32.560 could say, you were proven right. I was, I was 2:13:32.640 --> 2:13:35.160 proven right. Well, here's what happened, is is that that 2:13:35.240 --> 2:13:40.200 first time that Yanni and I encroached on your guys country, 2:13:40.680 --> 2:13:43.879 you know, we did see a couple of really intriguing bucks, 2:13:43.960 --> 2:13:46.800 and there was this one buck. A matter of fact, 2:13:46.840 --> 2:13:48.840 as soon as I saw him, I think I was like, 2:13:48.960 --> 2:13:51.520 that's l Gigante. I think that's him, you know, And 2:13:51.800 --> 2:13:55.240 I got super excited about him, and uh and Yannie 2:13:55.240 --> 2:13:56.880 sort of put him in his spotting school because I 2:13:56.880 --> 2:13:59.600 didn't have a spotter. I just had my fifteen power banc. 2:14:00.000 --> 2:14:03.160 Did you guys introduce I'm just trying to move stuff 2:14:03.200 --> 2:14:06.480 long I did, I'll get you. I don't want to 2:14:06.520 --> 2:14:10.000 get into el Gagante. Well, I brought in that there's 2:14:10.120 --> 2:14:13.800 l surprise though, Okagante, I did a montage sort of thing, 2:14:14.360 --> 2:14:17.240 and now here we are because so now it can't 2:14:17.240 --> 2:14:22.760 be six days long. Like so anyway, I see this one, 2:14:22.840 --> 2:14:25.960 good good buck and uh but yeah, he sort of 2:14:26.000 --> 2:14:27.840 talks me out of it. To be honest, he's like, 2:14:28.040 --> 2:14:31.680 he's like, yeah, he's okay. When you guys, you guys 2:14:31.840 --> 2:14:36.080 named him a misleading name. When I heard the century buck, 2:14:36.480 --> 2:14:39.560 I thought, man, that you could glass bucks for a 2:14:39.600 --> 2:14:43.760 century and only find one that looks like that. I 2:14:43.840 --> 2:14:46.880 thought he was a hundred inches. But it turns out 2:14:46.960 --> 2:14:49.280 the century buck just happen to be raking his antlers 2:14:49.280 --> 2:14:53.360 on a century plan. So I'm thinking, wow, a once 2:14:53.400 --> 2:15:00.760 in a century occurrence. It's like, yeah, yeah, John still 2:15:00.840 --> 2:15:07.480 can't commit This cow's deer levitated the plane. I'm like, 2:15:07.560 --> 2:15:10.720 this guy doesn't even want a once in a century buck. 2:15:14.080 --> 2:15:16.760 No I did. I did. I got super excited about him, 2:15:16.760 --> 2:15:19.120 and I think I saw him later that day and 2:15:19.160 --> 2:15:21.520 I made a I made a move on him to 2:15:21.680 --> 2:15:25.120 go to go go after him. You know, he was 2:15:25.920 --> 2:15:28.120 chasing a dough and I got just the paris glimpse 2:15:28.160 --> 2:15:29.840 of his antlers, and I'm like, I'm going to go 2:15:29.880 --> 2:15:31.720 make a movement. So I moved off the knob and 2:15:31.760 --> 2:15:34.000 did the quick up and down and tried to find 2:15:34.040 --> 2:15:37.320 him and couldn't and uh. And later that evening we 2:15:37.360 --> 2:15:39.520 saw another nice buck up and I made a move 2:15:39.600 --> 2:15:48.000 on him, and the normal identified crab claw. Yeah, so 2:15:48.040 --> 2:15:50.520 this was crab claw. And I got to with him 2:15:50.560 --> 2:15:53.480 three d and fifty yards of him at absolute last light. 2:15:53.600 --> 2:15:55.680 But he was I didn't get because I didn't have 2:15:55.680 --> 2:15:57.560 the spine scope. I didn't get the greatest look at him. 2:15:57.560 --> 2:15:59.720 He was bedded facing the way and I couldn't tell 2:15:59.720 --> 2:16:01.800 if they were vegetation, so I had to not not 2:16:02.000 --> 2:16:05.720 go after it. Um. But then the next morning ended 2:16:05.800 --> 2:16:08.720 up connecting. The next morning, last day, we're on day six. 2:16:08.760 --> 2:16:11.960 Now we're we're you know, Ben and I still don't 2:16:11.960 --> 2:16:14.560 have our tags down to the wire. Down to the 2:16:14.600 --> 2:16:17.880 wire we we take. So we're gonna take the secret 2:16:17.960 --> 2:16:20.360 road in or the better road, and so we take 2:16:20.360 --> 2:16:22.560 the better road in to get into a better spot 2:16:22.840 --> 2:16:26.040 and put the full court breaths put put the full court. 2:16:26.120 --> 2:16:27.920 So we go in there to get into an even 2:16:27.960 --> 2:16:30.680 better spot than we've been and ended up right back 2:16:30.680 --> 2:16:35.440 where we were before somehow, and this was put. Every 2:16:35.440 --> 2:16:38.920 time you step out the door, what time we usually 2:16:38.920 --> 2:16:40.680 take off out of there? Try to leave it six 2:16:41.480 --> 2:16:43.879 you're gonna go spend. You're gonna be on the glass 2:16:43.879 --> 2:16:47.360 and knob till six. Yeah, it's an all day poll. 2:16:47.879 --> 2:16:49.480 You you spend every time you step out the door, 2:16:49.480 --> 2:16:52.879 You're gonna spend twelve hours on an old glass. I 2:16:52.879 --> 2:16:55.480 mean all of us spent seventy two hours hunting cooes, 2:16:55.560 --> 2:16:59.560 deer and one way shape or form. Yeah, seventy two 2:16:59.560 --> 2:17:02.320 hours on the knob. That'd be a good name of 2:17:02.320 --> 2:17:04.560 a book on the knob on the Kno, Well, we 2:17:04.640 --> 2:17:10.640 got our on the knob between two tips. Well, and 2:17:11.440 --> 2:17:16.680 you call them knockers. Yeah, yeah, And you see your 2:17:16.680 --> 2:17:18.600 buddies got a nice pair of board texes. I go, 2:17:18.720 --> 2:17:22.600 nice knockers, nice pair of knockers. Knocks. It's short for 2:17:22.680 --> 2:17:26.400 buying knock you alert. I'm just trimming out the knock, 2:17:27.120 --> 2:17:33.080 but by knocker or knockers knocks, knockers knocks. It's like this. 2:17:33.720 --> 2:17:36.280 I recently met a guy who runs lions in Mexico, 2:17:36.400 --> 2:17:39.760 and and and I heard him it's like how language works, right, 2:17:40.000 --> 2:17:43.920 And I heard him talking about um. He would describe 2:17:43.920 --> 2:17:46.160 what you'd see a lion track, and he'd say, I 2:17:46.400 --> 2:17:49.640 thought he was saying, that's a mondo track. I thought 2:17:49.720 --> 2:17:54.640 he knew a Spanish word. Mando was a Spanish word 2:17:54.680 --> 2:17:59.200 that means like toad or pig or something big. It'd 2:17:59.240 --> 2:18:02.160 be a fun game to go around the room. Oh, 2:18:02.959 --> 2:18:05.160 can can I do two die? Like? Can I do 2:18:05.200 --> 2:18:09.200 a triple digression? Hold the thought about mindo. When I 2:18:09.240 --> 2:18:11.879 was in college, I read a paper where a sociologist. 2:18:12.240 --> 2:18:16.880 The sociologist had men in the room, had a group 2:18:16.959 --> 2:18:19.720 of friends from a fraternity in a room and tasked 2:18:19.760 --> 2:18:24.320 them with listing all the names they knew for male genitalium, 2:18:27.000 --> 2:18:30.199 and likewise took a bunch of sorority sisters and tasked 2:18:30.280 --> 2:18:32.800 them with generating a list of all the terms they 2:18:32.879 --> 2:18:37.280 knew for male genitalium. The male list was saying such 2:18:37.320 --> 2:18:42.560 as the emperor, coach at the president, a commissioner, and 2:18:42.640 --> 2:18:45.200 the female list was things of a much. It was 2:18:45.240 --> 2:18:52.080 more like like um, like like disgusting, diminutive, like lacking 2:18:52.280 --> 2:18:57.920 terms that lacked power and authority. So but anyhow, uh, 2:18:58.040 --> 2:19:00.440 the guy, I thought, you're saying a mon though, So 2:19:00.480 --> 2:19:02.720 we started saying mindo. One day, I'm like, hey, what 2:19:02.800 --> 2:19:07.119 does mando translate to exactly? He says, I'm not saying mando, 2:19:07.520 --> 2:19:15.720 I'm saying mango, as in humongous. So knockers like knocks 2:19:16.000 --> 2:19:18.600 makes sense. But things just change over time, Like someday 2:19:18.640 --> 2:19:21.800 I'll explain the word tigs. You know, we never know 2:19:21.879 --> 2:19:24.840 what meant, and it's just this long evolution of a 2:19:24.840 --> 2:19:31.000 couple different terms where it becomes tigs. So so we're 2:19:31.000 --> 2:19:36.600 in Mexico, right, We're in Mexico here and with knocks 2:19:36.920 --> 2:19:40.440 with with knocks on the tits. Okay, So we get 2:19:40.440 --> 2:19:45.039 back up here last day and the Latvian eagle strikes again. 2:19:45.120 --> 2:19:50.480 We're kind of looking over this we're we're looking at 2:19:50.520 --> 2:19:53.080 we're looking over this country the Latvia lover, but it's 2:19:53.280 --> 2:19:57.840 very firmly now the lab the Latvian eagle, and uh, 2:19:57.959 --> 2:19:59.720 he's like, I think I see him, you know you 2:19:59.800 --> 2:20:01.320 are are I see him? You know the set in 2:20:01.360 --> 2:20:05.400 the sentry buck And I take literally about a half 2:20:05.440 --> 2:20:11.560 second look through my knocker, saying it right, my knocks, 2:20:11.720 --> 2:20:13.959 my knocks. So I take a half second look through 2:20:13.959 --> 2:20:16.320 my knocks and I just sort of have this like 2:20:16.520 --> 2:20:20.480 visceral identification. That's him. And I start packing up my 2:20:20.520 --> 2:20:24.200 stuff and to make a move on, and I'm going like, 2:20:24.280 --> 2:20:27.040 I am just I am dialed in, I'm ready to go. Yeah. 2:20:27.080 --> 2:20:29.240 He's still like, well, I think it's a whatever. I'm 2:20:29.280 --> 2:20:35.400 going gone and take off. Got dirt with me. Remember 2:20:35.440 --> 2:20:37.480 asking like are we moving? You're like no, I'm gonna 2:20:37.520 --> 2:20:41.000 go kill that buck. I was like, oh, okay, yeah. 2:20:41.360 --> 2:20:47.240 So end up crossing over to another um that's closer 2:20:47.280 --> 2:20:49.520 to him and I had kind of been on this country. 2:20:49.520 --> 2:20:53.160 I was really excited because these are a little shoulder 2:20:53.600 --> 2:20:55.520 on a little shoulder. And the thing is issue is 2:20:55.560 --> 2:20:57.440 that on the one hand we see how wary the 2:20:57.480 --> 2:20:59.360 couse deer are, but on the other hand they do 2:20:59.440 --> 2:21:01.200 have a pretty tight home range. I don't know a 2:21:01.240 --> 2:21:04.039 lot about their biology, but it doesn't it seems like 2:21:04.080 --> 2:21:06.879 they have kind of a kind of a tight area 2:21:06.920 --> 2:21:10.880 that they sort of cou'se dear lower. It is like 2:21:11.080 --> 2:21:14.440 full of of of like stories that kind of marvel 2:21:14.560 --> 2:21:18.400 at their fidelity to a little patch of ground. But 2:21:18.480 --> 2:21:20.560 they got like a little spot where they lived their 2:21:20.560 --> 2:21:24.680 life in what seems to be a vast and and 2:21:24.760 --> 2:21:26.760 I guess we looked out in that sense, because I 2:21:26.800 --> 2:21:30.120 had stopped on that hill where we had first seen 2:21:30.200 --> 2:21:33.560 him pretty hard the day before. And usually, you know, 2:21:33.959 --> 2:21:37.640 hunting deer, you think I've kind of spoiled this spot 2:21:37.640 --> 2:21:39.280 a little bit, or I've stirred it up a little 2:21:39.280 --> 2:21:41.920 too much, or so I'm always worried about that. Yeah, 2:21:41.920 --> 2:21:44.480 I mean, it's always that nagging doubt and uh. And 2:21:44.560 --> 2:21:47.480 yet there he was, just right back where we had 2:21:47.520 --> 2:21:50.160 seen him before, and I'm like, you know, and this 2:21:50.200 --> 2:21:52.480 is a deal, right, It's it's the morning, it's cool. 2:21:52.560 --> 2:21:54.879 They're up and on their feet, you know, and pretty 2:21:54.920 --> 2:21:57.080 soon they're going to be going to ground. They're gonna 2:21:57.120 --> 2:21:59.640 be bedded somewhere more or less. Although the rut had 2:21:59.760 --> 2:22:01.800 kick then too, so you know, that was sort of 2:22:01.840 --> 2:22:04.440 the X factor. But that's always the worry. So I 2:22:04.480 --> 2:22:06.480 saw him, I just I just took off dirt and 2:22:06.520 --> 2:22:09.680 I made the traverse across to this next knob down 2:22:09.680 --> 2:22:12.520 the saddle, and I had already scouted a shooting location. 2:22:12.520 --> 2:22:14.160 I knew where I wanted to shoot him with. I 2:22:14.160 --> 2:22:16.680 had looked and seeing a spot that had fairly bare 2:22:16.720 --> 2:22:21.000 ground up there to avoid you know us. Yeah, on 2:22:21.040 --> 2:22:26.000 his grass situation, and got up there, got on and 2:22:26.120 --> 2:22:29.040 laid my pack down, raised him at four hundred seven yards. 2:22:29.120 --> 2:22:32.160 He was walking to the right, and I gave him 2:22:32.200 --> 2:22:37.199 a blee. I mean, just awful. Like I'm not a 2:22:37.280 --> 2:22:39.200 calling guy. I'm never going to win a contest or 2:22:39.240 --> 2:22:41.720 anything like that. But it does pretty good. Remy is 2:22:41.800 --> 2:22:44.920 very good. I think in that moment though, nobody's really 2:22:44.920 --> 2:22:49.280 trying to make a really realistic dear sound. You're just 2:22:49.320 --> 2:22:52.680 trying to make any sound that makes him go. Remy 2:22:52.720 --> 2:22:54.160 can make a legit buck noise, and you make a 2:22:54.160 --> 2:22:57.520 pretty good one. Really do yours like it? Like that? 2:22:57.720 --> 2:23:02.440 The man did it last night? Oh the money was 2:23:02.520 --> 2:23:04.200 like full on when you're trying to get a buck 2:23:04.280 --> 2:23:11.120 to turn or stop. I go, hey, please cut that 2:23:11.200 --> 2:23:14.200 sound and use it in the just started selling the 2:23:14.200 --> 2:23:23.039 game causes drunk laugh Anyway. My point is I'm not 2:23:23.080 --> 2:23:25.360 trying to pretend like I have some great like call. 2:23:25.440 --> 2:23:29.960 But I bleat out this sound and he stops and 2:23:29.959 --> 2:23:33.640 and boom, four or seven yards. One shot I cut 2:23:33.680 --> 2:23:35.879 as it was an interesting shot. I ended up taking 2:23:35.920 --> 2:23:38.360 him a little high through the shoulders and it went 2:23:38.440 --> 2:23:41.440 into kind of the Noman's land, you know that dreaded. 2:23:41.440 --> 2:23:43.840 When you're archery hunting, you you know that dreaded no 2:23:44.000 --> 2:23:46.840 man's landing shot. And that's that's where that bullet went. 2:23:46.879 --> 2:23:51.120 And it totally grenaded through his shoulders. I mean it 2:23:51.160 --> 2:23:53.959 took both of his shoulders right out. But he was 2:23:54.040 --> 2:23:56.480 still alive. When we got over to him. He wasn't 2:23:56.480 --> 2:23:58.400 going anywhere. We had watched him a little bit through 2:23:58.400 --> 2:24:01.080 the glass, and Yanni at that point was like, yeah, 2:24:01.120 --> 2:24:03.720 I still see him flopping around out there. So we 2:24:04.080 --> 2:24:07.080 moved over there pretty quickly, and I you know, I 2:24:07.360 --> 2:24:10.480 had dispatched him with my knife, and and uh, guy, 2:24:10.480 --> 2:24:14.680 who's just beautiful, great buck, the centry buck, the century buck, 2:24:14.800 --> 2:24:19.200 and the oh he had a crazy curly hoof. Yeah, 2:24:19.240 --> 2:24:20.840 what happens to people? Why don't cut their fingernils? You 2:24:21.280 --> 2:24:23.600 have to curl? Yeah, yeah he had. He had this 2:24:23.720 --> 2:24:27.920 one like little veloci raptor, little raptor toe toe on him. 2:24:28.080 --> 2:24:31.879 Starts cocaine. Can you see, John, I'll have it around 2:24:31.920 --> 2:24:36.000 his neck it. I'm gonna start wearing deep v T shirts. 2:24:38.080 --> 2:24:42.879 I'm gonna stop shaving my chest. Ye get a thatch 2:24:42.920 --> 2:24:48.640 worthy worthy of that thing. So yeah, great beautifu Yet another, 2:24:49.320 --> 2:24:52.800 yet another not big, huge giant but like mine, but 2:24:52.879 --> 2:24:56.600 another big huge buck. No, he's definitely not as as 2:24:56.680 --> 2:25:00.480 big as yours and early. I mean, you shot that 2:25:00.520 --> 2:25:03.920 thing and the sun had barely hit that hill. The 2:25:03.959 --> 2:25:08.720 sun had barely hit Bend's right cheek. When read throughout 2:25:08.720 --> 2:25:11.720 the day, I got locked. I got into the mode. 2:25:11.720 --> 2:25:13.400 You didn't you know what that feelings like though, when 2:25:13.400 --> 2:25:16.440 the switch just clicks and you're like, all of a sudden, 2:25:16.480 --> 2:25:18.959 like just everything is just focused on it. And that's 2:25:19.640 --> 2:25:22.520 that's what I felt. As soon as as soon as 2:25:22.560 --> 2:25:25.560 I saw his antlers, I'm just like go, you know. 2:25:25.600 --> 2:25:30.199 I was explaining to Ben the other day, UM about 2:25:30.240 --> 2:25:34.039 like how days passed out there. It's like you imagine 2:25:34.040 --> 2:25:36.000 the way a day goes like a like a like 2:25:36.040 --> 2:25:40.959 a dimmer switch, where you like gradually right and any 2:25:41.080 --> 2:25:44.440 second is sort of imperceptible from the second past because 2:25:44.480 --> 2:25:47.960 it's just happening silly gradually, like it's like pre dawn darkness, 2:25:48.520 --> 2:25:50.240 and then it's all of a sudden, gets the greyness 2:25:50.320 --> 2:25:52.040 and there's like light and it's kind of like mid 2:25:52.120 --> 2:25:55.400 day and you just keep slowly graduating it fades. I 2:25:55.440 --> 2:26:00.760 feel like out here, it's um, it's like clicky. Yeah, 2:26:00.920 --> 2:26:04.520 it's like it's pre dawned darkness and goes click. It's 2:26:04.520 --> 2:26:08.200 also like morning and it's like click. It's also like 2:26:08.360 --> 2:26:10.800 scorching lye hot. And then they're like click and it's 2:26:10.879 --> 2:26:14.840 evening and clicking is dark. It just happened, like what yeah, 2:26:15.480 --> 2:26:18.160 and just a feeling that hits at ten am, like 2:26:18.240 --> 2:26:21.080 someone does a they throw the mid Like at ten am, 2:26:21.120 --> 2:26:24.680 you're just like, shoot, now, I gotta stay here for 2:26:24.720 --> 2:26:28.360 four hours getting boiled by the sun and wait for 2:26:28.400 --> 2:26:30.360 them to throw the next switch, which makes all the 2:26:30.360 --> 2:26:32.600 deer come back out of the funniest part is the 2:26:32.640 --> 2:26:34.800 difference in the shade. I mean, you know, just you 2:26:34.840 --> 2:26:37.160 can you can imagine Deer's movie because when you're in 2:26:37.200 --> 2:26:41.080 the shade, you feel like calm, that's calm and comfortable. 2:26:41.080 --> 2:26:44.440 There's a little breeze oh yeah. And then and then 2:26:44.480 --> 2:26:46.560 you go out in the sun you're like, oh my god, 2:26:47.280 --> 2:26:53.360 who lives here? Why would you? This? Is there a 2:26:53.440 --> 2:26:57.440 watering hole? And it's like yeah, and you get back 2:26:57.440 --> 2:27:00.400 into the two ft wide piece oh yeah, yeah. And 2:27:00.480 --> 2:27:04.840 that's what the narrowness of the shade, the narrowness of 2:27:04.840 --> 2:27:07.400 the shad because there's no big trees, every small The 2:27:07.520 --> 2:27:09.640 narrowness of the shade is what allows you to keep 2:27:09.640 --> 2:27:11.360 I think it's what allows you to keep spotting deer 2:27:11.400 --> 2:27:14.440 all day exactly because you can't you get a little 2:27:14.440 --> 2:27:17.720 shade patch. You're like, remember some time about watching uh 2:27:17.760 --> 2:27:23.279 antelope get shade from phone poles and they just moved 2:27:23.320 --> 2:27:25.400 like that to catch the only to catch shade from 2:27:25.400 --> 2:27:27.240 me a phone pole, and then moving to stay in 2:27:27.240 --> 2:27:29.840 at little shade line from a phone pole, and it's 2:27:29.840 --> 2:27:31.920 like a sund out. You're moving every couple of minutes, 2:27:32.440 --> 2:27:35.240 and so I think that that's like always causing I 2:27:35.240 --> 2:27:37.760 remember like looking at a doll bettered in a little 2:27:37.760 --> 2:27:41.680 bit of shade and coming back fifteen minutes later and 2:27:41.680 --> 2:27:43.640 she was gone, like oh yeah, because her like her 2:27:43.680 --> 2:27:46.000 shade patch is gone. Now she had to get up. 2:27:46.040 --> 2:27:48.840 And it's funny on this hunt, this first time I 2:27:48.879 --> 2:27:53.280 ever realized how much our movements were similar to the deer's. 2:27:53.959 --> 2:27:56.320 You know, we were went and in Jay's advice of 2:27:56.640 --> 2:27:59.640 thirty minute, thirty minute, thirty minute, that was during deer 2:27:59.680 --> 2:28:02.240 movement time, it went deer on their feet. You gotta 2:28:02.280 --> 2:28:04.600 keep moving, you gotta see new country, glass new country 2:28:04.600 --> 2:28:07.440 because the deer up and moving and and you can 2:28:07.440 --> 2:28:09.520 get eyes on them. But when they go to bed, 2:28:10.040 --> 2:28:12.360 you stay put. You go to bed too. You get 2:28:12.400 --> 2:28:14.360 under the shade tree and you glass them up and 2:28:14.360 --> 2:28:16.360 see if you can get lucky. And you're hoping that, yeah, 2:28:16.400 --> 2:28:19.640 that some dough is gonna stand up to shift, it's 2:28:19.640 --> 2:28:21.480 gonna make a buck and be like, oh my god, 2:28:21.480 --> 2:28:24.920 what's she doing? And he stands up to he goes 2:28:25.000 --> 2:28:27.400 to play grab bass and then you got the moves. 2:28:27.440 --> 2:28:30.040 He follows her and Austin like yeah, but then you 2:28:30.120 --> 2:28:31.800 got to jump on him because you know where they 2:28:31.840 --> 2:28:33.520 are and they're gonna stay in that. He's not going 2:28:33.560 --> 2:28:36.920 to shake off to the new territory. Right. So this 2:28:36.959 --> 2:28:38.520 was the first time that struck me just because we 2:28:38.800 --> 2:28:42.280 did spend seventy two hours doing this, that there is 2:28:42.360 --> 2:28:45.120 this you know, you're mirroring the movement of the animal 2:28:45.879 --> 2:28:49.480 for a good reason. Yeah, it's a good observation. So 2:28:49.560 --> 2:28:55.080 there you are, Ben Benny O'Brien, Ben O'Brien, capital old 2:28:56.360 --> 2:29:00.640 l Ben No no, yeah, yeah, apostrophe there put a 2:29:00.680 --> 2:29:07.560 little mar hash um. It's time for your buck story. Yeah. 2:29:07.959 --> 2:29:10.440 Should I go all the way back to if you 2:29:10.480 --> 2:29:13.560 want this is gonna probably be two part podcast. I 2:29:13.560 --> 2:29:19.240 think it's fair to go back, you know, Oh setting 2:29:19.320 --> 2:29:22.880 it you guys, he says, you know, and in a 2:29:23.040 --> 2:29:29.560 justice position, I'm leaning, I'm leaning forward, I'm leaving. I'm 2:29:29.640 --> 2:29:32.600 leaning forward and gripping my teeth like like Yanni driving 2:29:32.600 --> 2:29:37.680 the van Um. You know, like when you see a 2:29:37.720 --> 2:29:44.080 deer and you immediately know that it's it's over and 2:29:44.120 --> 2:29:47.200 above what your expectations might be. My wife, Yeah, for 2:29:47.320 --> 2:29:49.400 what a deer could look like. You know, when you 2:29:49.440 --> 2:29:51.560 meet a hot lady or whatever and you maybe just 2:29:51.600 --> 2:29:53.680 see like the backside of her head. He turns out, WHOA, 2:29:54.600 --> 2:29:58.240 that's that's gonna work for me. Uh. We saw this 2:29:58.320 --> 2:30:04.600 buck called El Gagante. Now he didn't have a name 2:30:04.640 --> 2:30:08.240 prior to seeing him, but I I named him El 2:30:08.280 --> 2:30:14.360 Gagante because because yeah, the gagante means I believe the 2:30:14.400 --> 2:30:19.600 giant in Spanish. Mark Kenyon be so excited about names. 2:30:20.160 --> 2:30:30.200 Names we become good because like gigantico, okay, gante to 2:30:30.280 --> 2:30:34.680 be sounds more probably pecante, you know, could be like 2:30:34.720 --> 2:30:36.879 a salta company. Yeah, something like that. I like it 2:30:36.920 --> 2:30:42.480 to sound authentic. Anyway, we're we're this is two days 2:30:42.560 --> 2:30:46.480 prior to this is post l surprise. Oh, but prior 2:30:46.560 --> 2:30:49.640 to john the Johnny and Yanni team going back to 2:30:49.680 --> 2:30:53.080 the southwest corner our honey to this point, we have 2:30:54.000 --> 2:30:56.600 to this this point, we have yet to discover that 2:30:56.800 --> 2:30:59.160 the honey hoole has honey. I mean, we were kind 2:30:59.160 --> 2:31:03.199 of sniffing aroun it. It smells sweet at this point, 2:31:03.200 --> 2:31:04.680 but we don't know if there's honey in there or not. 2:31:05.959 --> 2:31:07.920 And so we get deep in the hole and we're 2:31:08.000 --> 2:31:11.240 and we're hunting, and we spot this buck. He's across 2:31:11.480 --> 2:31:14.400 across the south. He's to the north what is the northeast, 2:31:14.959 --> 2:31:18.160 about um three cords of a mile from our main 2:31:18.240 --> 2:31:21.480 tip when we first got in the southwest corner. And 2:31:21.560 --> 2:31:25.600 so we're chasing this buck. We're trying to find him 2:31:25.640 --> 2:31:28.480 in the shade of the day. Oh crab clawl so 2:31:28.560 --> 2:31:31.080 crab claws. He's a nice eight point, but he's only 2:31:31.080 --> 2:31:34.560 got crabs on the end of his main beam. Chasing Jason, 2:31:35.640 --> 2:31:37.320 he gets up in some shade and we think he's 2:31:37.320 --> 2:31:39.240 gonna be bet in this little pocket, in this cut 2:31:39.240 --> 2:31:42.000 of this ridge. We're gonna get over there and find him, 2:31:42.000 --> 2:31:44.240 and it's gonna be perfect because he's gonna be bedded 2:31:44.240 --> 2:31:45.560 down in the shade of the day, and we'll have 2:31:45.560 --> 2:31:48.560 plenty of time to step be on an opposing hillside 2:31:48.320 --> 2:31:50.640 eye level with him exactly. And we have not We've 2:31:50.720 --> 2:31:52.840 yet to explore the southwest corner. We don't really know 2:31:52.879 --> 2:31:54.560 what's going on. We just know there's a buck over 2:31:54.600 --> 2:31:57.200 that direction that we need to go get him. So 2:31:57.240 --> 2:31:59.440 we get down or hike and we get over there. 2:31:59.760 --> 2:32:03.200 We just we know on a lower shoulder of a 2:32:03.280 --> 2:32:05.400 hill on the Reggy Cross from where we think crab 2:32:05.480 --> 2:32:08.920 clawl is, and we just we can't see in there. 2:32:09.520 --> 2:32:11.720 And because I tend to think about think like a 2:32:11.720 --> 2:32:16.280 bow hunter, I tell Steve, let's roll, let's get off 2:32:16.280 --> 2:32:18.080 this hill. Let's get on the hill he's on and 2:32:18.160 --> 2:32:20.960 charge over the hill and just just surprise him and 2:32:21.160 --> 2:32:24.640 give him and shooting just shooting, just send one. Is 2:32:24.640 --> 2:32:31.480 that how bowners think? He just starts shooting arrows just 2:32:32.680 --> 2:32:37.560 like this quiver has got five errors for a reason. Yeah, 2:32:37.879 --> 2:32:41.119 And so we go over there. Long story short, we 2:32:41.120 --> 2:32:44.240 were headed over there and we spooked this buck. He 2:32:44.320 --> 2:32:47.400 jumps up out of another another cut on the same hill. 2:32:47.959 --> 2:32:50.720 Now we didn't see he jumps up goes over the 2:32:50.800 --> 2:32:56.400 hill back up. What Yeah, on the spot crab claws. Yes, 2:32:56.440 --> 2:32:57.880 we did. You didn't think it was cramp little, but 2:32:58.000 --> 2:33:00.520 I'm telling you that's it was. Oh you're talking that 2:33:00.640 --> 2:33:04.080 part of the time. Yeah, you're right, all right. Sorry, 2:33:04.320 --> 2:33:09.160 We go around the same pyramid hill that crab we 2:33:09.160 --> 2:33:11.360 thought crab claw was on. Well, some cows had gotten 2:33:11.360 --> 2:33:13.080 into his betting area, and I believe he ran around 2:33:13.120 --> 2:33:14.720 the hill and betted on the side of what. We 2:33:14.720 --> 2:33:20.400 didn't know that he was betting area. Got like marauded 2:33:20.400 --> 2:33:25.040 when the military takes over your stuff and uses it. Yeah, 2:33:25.080 --> 2:33:27.120 they're betting on got common deered by a group of 2:33:27.120 --> 2:33:31.400 black angles who are really dainty, quiet animals I find 2:33:31.520 --> 2:33:36.080 without resisting. Yeah, and so we're we're Steve. I see 2:33:36.080 --> 2:33:37.840 a shed. Steve goes down to get it. We're on 2:33:37.879 --> 2:33:42.600 the side hill, this big Okato pyramid ridge, and I 2:33:42.640 --> 2:33:44.920 look over and I see this buck jump up, big 2:33:44.920 --> 2:33:46.760 wide buck jump up and over the hill he goes. 2:33:46.800 --> 2:33:48.720 I mean he was, he was on the He waited 2:33:48.760 --> 2:33:50.879 till we were in the sha. He was seventy yards 2:33:50.920 --> 2:33:52.920 and we're staying there talking. We walked past him. Yeah, 2:33:52.959 --> 2:33:55.360 we walked past the picking up jet antlers, he jumps 2:33:55.360 --> 2:33:58.039 and runs. Well, we decided the best thing to do 2:33:58.080 --> 2:34:01.320 is just continue with our plan. Im into the shady 2:34:01.360 --> 2:34:03.280 area where we think the crab club bucket is. We're 2:34:03.280 --> 2:34:05.760 not sure what buck we just jumped. We get up there, 2:34:06.040 --> 2:34:09.720 it's it's devoid, full accounts and devoid a deer. So 2:34:09.760 --> 2:34:11.960 we proceeded to decide that must have been him. It's 2:34:12.000 --> 2:34:13.880 way to his hundred yards away from where we saw 2:34:13.959 --> 2:34:19.119 him and were in dirt, and Steve proceed to take 2:34:19.160 --> 2:34:21.720 a two hour nap. There was a good shade up there. Well, 2:34:22.280 --> 2:34:26.040 here's what happens. As long as I sleep on my 2:34:26.080 --> 2:34:29.280 back on a tilt, I will have a what we 2:34:29.360 --> 2:34:34.680 call a nappy. But something happens and I moved to 2:34:34.720 --> 2:34:38.480 my side. It becomes a slumber. Yeah, And I don't 2:34:38.480 --> 2:34:40.640 know what happened. I remember taking my net gator and 2:34:41.040 --> 2:34:44.080 like quadruple folding at the blackout the light, which was 2:34:44.120 --> 2:34:47.039 a mistake. And I was laying on my back and 2:34:47.080 --> 2:34:48.640 you get that kind of feeling when you're laying on 2:34:48.640 --> 2:34:50.440 your back and you're gonna choke on your own tongue 2:34:50.520 --> 2:34:52.920 or something. And I think I rolled on my side 2:34:52.959 --> 2:34:54.400 and all of a sudden woke up and I thought 2:34:54.400 --> 2:34:56.879 it was around noon and it was two. Yeah, it 2:34:57.000 --> 2:34:59.120 was two. And I slept for five minutes, and I 2:34:59.240 --> 2:35:01.400 sat there and watched him sleep for the next hour. 2:35:01.440 --> 2:35:05.120 And then had weaved a basket from thee and yeah, 2:35:05.160 --> 2:35:08.640 I had glassed every hill and and yeah, I'm very 2:35:08.640 --> 2:35:12.760 sorry about that. It wasn't about news. Something that's too 2:35:13.480 --> 2:35:18.880 eating their sandwiches, turned their turn their scopes to full power. 2:35:20.360 --> 2:35:23.560 Not a lot of time. And anyway, we take our 2:35:23.640 --> 2:35:25.960 we'll speed this up. We take we take our nappy 2:35:26.040 --> 2:35:32.000 time and turned into a turn and now we're hunting. 2:35:32.240 --> 2:35:34.120 We're like, we gotta we gotta dial this thing up 2:35:34.680 --> 2:35:37.320 and find some deer. We screwed this, screwed the pooch 2:35:37.320 --> 2:35:40.680 on this one. I admittedly was too aggressive on these kids, dear, 2:35:41.640 --> 2:35:43.840 So we get going up. We just go up the hill, 2:35:44.160 --> 2:35:46.240 on to the very top of the tip we're sleeping 2:35:46.280 --> 2:35:49.320 on and start glass and immediate like doe buck, doe buck, 2:35:49.400 --> 2:35:51.840 doe buck buck. I know we're trying to move quick, 2:35:51.840 --> 2:35:55.400 but I gotta add one quick face the area we 2:35:55.400 --> 2:35:59.040 were going to look there was no perch it would 2:35:59.080 --> 2:36:02.280 allow you to pee. You're down into the zone, and 2:36:02.280 --> 2:36:04.480 in those situations you do have to be like, actually, 2:36:04.440 --> 2:36:07.920 could never happen, and wait until they get up and 2:36:07.959 --> 2:36:09.760 maybe they'll move into an area where you can put 2:36:09.800 --> 2:36:12.280 a move on or you want up making the mistake 2:36:12.360 --> 2:36:16.480 of thinking you're gonna find some secret perch, then you're 2:36:16.480 --> 2:36:18.760 moving around and bumping them and like, well maybe there 2:36:18.840 --> 2:36:23.160 isn't anyways, Well, it turns out we're we're up to 2:36:23.280 --> 2:36:27.360 the northeast of this quadrant and and to the west 2:36:27.400 --> 2:36:30.080 of us at this point is uh dry creek bed 2:36:30.160 --> 2:36:34.040 with some pools of water, and so I feel like 2:36:34.080 --> 2:36:36.640 the deer started collecting in there. And as soon as 2:36:36.640 --> 2:36:39.400 it's maybe two thirty Steve's been awake for half an hour, 2:36:39.959 --> 2:36:44.200 We're on groggy everybody. We start, we start, we get 2:36:44.200 --> 2:36:48.720 our knocks out and um we start glassing and immediately 2:36:48.720 --> 2:36:51.039 pick up a bunch of deer. Well, not long after that, 2:36:51.680 --> 2:36:54.520 we see old crab Crawl, who we just spooked, maybe 2:36:55.040 --> 2:36:58.320 seven yards away across this canyon, chasing a dough across 2:36:58.360 --> 2:37:01.400 this sunlit knob. We're like, we gotta get over there 2:37:01.400 --> 2:37:03.400 and cut him off. So we start hustling down this 2:37:03.600 --> 2:37:05.640 into the bottom of this creek, up past the soccer 2:37:05.680 --> 2:37:08.320 teo flatting onto a shoulder, and are going around this 2:37:08.440 --> 2:37:11.560 ridge trying, you know, trying to figure out where this where. 2:37:11.560 --> 2:37:14.280 A crab claul may have chase this dough too, And 2:37:14.480 --> 2:37:16.640 this time I swing my head over and I looked 2:37:16.640 --> 2:37:21.199 down on the same sun kissed ridge that we originally 2:37:21.200 --> 2:37:24.120 saw crab clawl chasing the dough, and I see a 2:37:24.160 --> 2:37:28.280 buck full on chasing the dough, just nose down and 2:37:28.360 --> 2:37:32.920 I look into My immediate reaction was that's a giant. 2:37:33.760 --> 2:37:37.280 And I said out loud, that's a giant. And everybody 2:37:37.320 --> 2:37:41.920 looked over there, and it was obvious that El Gagante lived. 2:37:42.120 --> 2:37:44.560 A couple of things I want to interject real quick, No, 2:37:44.640 --> 2:37:47.119 these are these are essential bits. Yeah, because a lot 2:37:47.160 --> 2:37:51.800 of issues around the identity the identity of El Gegante 2:37:53.040 --> 2:37:56.760 versus the identity of the century buck. There's a lot 2:37:56.760 --> 2:38:03.640 of questions around. Yanny always warns people away from observing 2:38:03.680 --> 2:38:10.000 a deer from behind and thinking it's big, because he says, 2:38:10.080 --> 2:38:14.840 all dear look big, all big box look like big, 2:38:14.920 --> 2:38:20.400 huge giant box from behind. Also in Mexico, there is 2:38:20.440 --> 2:38:24.440 a lot of Catholic iconography hanging around the walls where 2:38:24.440 --> 2:38:30.360 people are have halos. Did you notice that, Yes, this 2:38:30.440 --> 2:38:35.360 bok was haloed by intense setting sun that were also 2:38:35.400 --> 2:38:38.720 being blinded by And if there was a sound that 2:38:38.760 --> 2:38:46.280 accompanied my seeing Al Grigante, it would be because I'm 2:38:46.360 --> 2:38:49.760 looking at him from behind and he is illuminated as 2:38:49.800 --> 2:38:54.200 though wearing a halo, as though being blessed by the heavens. Yes, 2:38:54.640 --> 2:39:00.720 and I said, yep, that's a big or something to 2:39:00.760 --> 2:39:03.920 that effect, something to the effect of, I'm telling you 2:39:04.040 --> 2:39:07.640 we started class. I was looking at a world's record. 2:39:07.879 --> 2:39:13.640 I thought I was looking at and keep and listen. 2:39:13.680 --> 2:39:16.199 We'll get to that hearing about two or three hours. 2:39:19.480 --> 2:39:22.480 But Gagante was there, right, This is al Gadante. This 2:39:22.520 --> 2:39:26.240 deer is a big old eight point with his huge 2:39:26.400 --> 2:39:29.879 mainframe and is his main beams wrap way around and 2:39:29.959 --> 2:39:32.000 up in the front, which makes him look like some 2:39:32.080 --> 2:39:34.600 kind of giant twelve point. Like he's got extra antlers. 2:39:34.840 --> 2:39:38.480 I thought, for I thought, I thought that deer has 2:39:38.560 --> 2:39:44.240 six antlers per side by Arizona standards five five um. 2:39:44.480 --> 2:39:47.280 Photo evidence later revealed that no, he has four percent 2:39:47.600 --> 2:39:52.119 and so four percide but the most analyzed the Brooder film, 2:39:52.200 --> 2:39:55.040 the film the most and he's three yards away at 2:39:55.040 --> 2:40:01.039 this point and shootable distance, blazing sunlight black, and the 2:40:01.080 --> 2:40:03.440 setting sun is in our eyes. And so I'm laying 2:40:03.440 --> 2:40:05.840 down trying to get on some packs and shuffling around. 2:40:05.840 --> 2:40:08.280 This deer's is chasing the stuff up this ridge and 2:40:08.320 --> 2:40:12.160 he's gonna go down into this bottom and be gone. Well, 2:40:12.480 --> 2:40:14.640 the entire time that I'm trying to put my pack 2:40:14.680 --> 2:40:16.960 down and get my rifle set up, I hear dirt 2:40:17.000 --> 2:40:19.920 and my left ear going, oh my god, oh my god, 2:40:20.520 --> 2:40:25.200 oh oh, and my right here, right here, Steve going wow, 2:40:27.240 --> 2:40:32.720 oh wow. He is a giant. And I'm over there 2:40:32.840 --> 2:40:38.440 going no pressure. Boys. We once saw a buck they 2:40:38.440 --> 2:40:41.119 had gotten Apparently they had just been struck by a car, 2:40:42.240 --> 2:40:45.440 and so it had an antler that had busted off 2:40:45.600 --> 2:40:48.920 and was hanging down across its face and under its jaw. 2:40:49.040 --> 2:40:51.400 And when I spotted I said to Yannie, it's a 2:40:51.879 --> 2:40:57.160 white time because I just saw something that didn't understand. Yeah, 2:40:58.080 --> 2:41:01.040 and later guys like buck of a life time, a 2:41:01.080 --> 2:41:04.800 forky who had just been run over. It depends on 2:41:04.840 --> 2:41:09.800 what lifetime. Anyway. At this point, I'm feeling like, holy, 2:41:10.840 --> 2:41:13.680 this is about to get real. I'm gonna get this 2:41:13.680 --> 2:41:16.160 thing in my scope and he's he's trailing his dough 2:41:16.200 --> 2:41:19.080 and he's not stopping for much. I get him in 2:41:19.120 --> 2:41:22.840 my scope. The sun is is whiting out most of 2:41:22.879 --> 2:41:25.840 my field of view. I can't see anything. I'm shuffling around. 2:41:25.840 --> 2:41:27.680 I'm trying to get a different path to get settled. 2:41:28.080 --> 2:41:29.640 I want to make a clean shot on this deer. 2:41:29.680 --> 2:41:33.320 He when he stops, he's facing completely away. So I 2:41:33.360 --> 2:41:37.119 got the Texas Hart shot and that's it. And at 2:41:37.160 --> 2:41:39.039 one point we move across the hillside to try to 2:41:39.040 --> 2:41:41.039 get a better shot. I had to get reset up. 2:41:41.280 --> 2:41:45.000 We're all fumbling around. You're practicing incredible restraint. Yes, at 2:41:45.040 --> 2:41:48.320 one point I had him in the scope perfect and 2:41:48.360 --> 2:41:51.560 he just was and thinking at the time, this is 2:41:51.600 --> 2:41:54.119 a world record deer. I could have either shot him 2:41:54.120 --> 2:41:56.600 in the neck or up the ass, but I chose. 2:41:56.680 --> 2:42:00.080 I just think, look, I'm not I respected dear of 2:42:00.120 --> 2:42:01.800 that big too much. Just to throw off some lead 2:42:01.840 --> 2:42:04.320 over there and then and see what see what happens? 2:42:05.440 --> 2:42:08.879 And uh so we practiced that restraint. We go around 2:42:08.879 --> 2:42:12.600 the corner, shuffle back up, gets set up again. We're 2:42:12.640 --> 2:42:15.000 glass on him, and the setting sun is just getting 2:42:15.040 --> 2:42:16.960 worse and worse and worse, and this could probably been 2:42:16.959 --> 2:42:19.520 a five minute time for it. And by the time 2:42:19.680 --> 2:42:22.000 he comes back up the hill after his dough and 2:42:22.040 --> 2:42:25.760 into the mesquite he's in shadow. We're in sun, and 2:42:25.800 --> 2:42:29.000 I can't see a damn thing. And so now Steve 2:42:29.360 --> 2:42:33.720 takes off his hat and starts holding it right above 2:42:34.640 --> 2:42:38.000 to shade the sun right above my scope. And now 2:42:38.040 --> 2:42:41.840 we're doing the dance of like left, a little bit left, right, 2:42:41.959 --> 2:42:45.280 right right. It's worse is that's everything is so bright, 2:42:45.320 --> 2:42:49.039 but he's in a dark, little tight hole behind layers gone. 2:42:49.080 --> 2:42:50.960 And I saw his dog going up the hill and 2:42:51.040 --> 2:42:52.800 I'm like, he's gonna come after that dope, But it 2:42:52.879 --> 2:42:55.360 was just like pitch black and one. So at this 2:42:55.400 --> 2:42:57.560 point you can't even range it. So we had ranged 2:42:58.040 --> 2:43:00.920 close to where he was, about three fifty and so 2:43:00.959 --> 2:43:02.400 that's the guests. But you can't range it because you 2:43:02.400 --> 2:43:05.480 can't get your binos focused on the deer for the sunlight. 2:43:06.280 --> 2:43:08.600 And just like, oh, he's dear, you're you're on a clock. 2:43:08.640 --> 2:43:12.040 He's gonna disappear. Eventually, He's not come back out, and 2:43:12.080 --> 2:43:14.720 so I get set up, I find him and we 2:43:14.760 --> 2:43:16.879 sit there for what feels like an hour, but it's 2:43:16.920 --> 2:43:20.880 probably ten minutes where he's standing behind a yucca completely 2:43:20.879 --> 2:43:22.920 in the shade, and me and Steve are doing the 2:43:23.800 --> 2:43:25.320 who that had to left move it to the right. 2:43:25.600 --> 2:43:27.560 Every time he moves. Every time I moved, that son 2:43:27.720 --> 2:43:30.360 sneaks under his hat brim and into my scope. But 2:43:30.400 --> 2:43:33.520 I can't see anything. Eventually I get lined up on 2:43:33.600 --> 2:43:35.400 this deer and he needs to take one step. Well, 2:43:35.400 --> 2:43:37.360 he sees us now because we're over they're rolling around 2:43:37.400 --> 2:43:41.000 like idiots, and he sees us, and he's not going 2:43:41.080 --> 2:43:44.000 to take that step unless he's sure. Well, ten minutes 2:43:44.040 --> 2:43:46.360 goes by, Dirt's got him in the buyers. I got 2:43:46.440 --> 2:43:49.840 him in the scope. Steve's trying to my legs asleep. 2:43:49.879 --> 2:43:52.040 I'm sure parts of you, you know, your leg or 2:43:52.080 --> 2:43:58.040 something's asleep. And he takes one step, and now I 2:43:58.080 --> 2:44:00.720 have this shadow of this deer and my right on him. 2:44:01.120 --> 2:44:05.680 I start pulling. I let it fly, and as soon 2:44:05.720 --> 2:44:08.720 as I let it fly, whiteness in the scope. The 2:44:08.840 --> 2:44:11.040 sun hits back on the scope and I can't see anything. 2:44:11.360 --> 2:44:13.560 And now I look, I get off the scope, I 2:44:13.560 --> 2:44:16.520 look back. I can't see anything. Dirt says, looks like 2:44:16.560 --> 2:44:19.920 it hit under him, and he wheeled around and ran 2:44:20.240 --> 2:44:23.400 up the hill, tail up as healthy as he wasn't 2:44:23.400 --> 2:44:25.800 a minute as healthy as he was a minute ago. 2:44:26.400 --> 2:44:31.680 Elca Dante ran off into the sunset, and uh, we 2:44:31.680 --> 2:44:34.480 were just at that point. I was sure I made 2:44:34.520 --> 2:44:36.400 a good shot, but I was I was pretty sure. 2:44:36.440 --> 2:44:39.760 It was a difficult situation, Like there wasn't any distance, 2:44:39.879 --> 2:44:44.320 was a distance questionable, it was questionable, the you know, 2:44:44.440 --> 2:44:46.680 my field of view was questionable. It was all just 2:44:46.760 --> 2:44:50.520 kind of not the best situation. And you get like 2:44:50.600 --> 2:44:54.039 it happens to me, You get where because you think 2:44:54.040 --> 2:44:57.080 it's a big one. You right, Yes, if you were 2:44:57.080 --> 2:44:59.800 all trying to feel a doughteg, you'd be like, it's like, 2:44:59.840 --> 2:45:01.840 it's take that shot. Let's just go find out. And 2:45:01.920 --> 2:45:05.320 I previously taking the more ethical rout of like, oh 2:45:05.360 --> 2:45:08.880 he's you know, and to me, it's being broadside is 2:45:08.920 --> 2:45:12.800 more important than than you know, those other factors. And 2:45:12.840 --> 2:45:16.480 so at that point, I feel like, well, i've i've 2:45:16.840 --> 2:45:18.840 I was comfortable with my trigger, pool I didn't yank 2:45:18.879 --> 2:45:22.320 on the thing, I held perfect, I felt good about 2:45:22.320 --> 2:45:24.440 the shot. I felt ethical at the time when I 2:45:24.480 --> 2:45:26.959 pulled the trigger, like that, all the factors being what 2:45:27.000 --> 2:45:30.840 they were I got the best out of the best scenario. Well, 2:45:30.920 --> 2:45:33.200 I mean, whatever I did it shoot under him or 2:45:33.240 --> 2:45:36.160 whatever it was, I would I would guess that he 2:45:36.280 --> 2:45:38.680 was three eighty five and I was holding for three 2:45:38.720 --> 2:45:42.480 fifty shot under it. But we gotta go check for blood. 2:45:42.480 --> 2:45:45.360 So we go down this ridge, up over the sunny 2:45:45.400 --> 2:45:47.120 ridge he was on, down to the bottom and up 2:45:47.120 --> 2:45:48.959 over the next ridge, and Steve's in front of me. 2:45:49.640 --> 2:45:53.520 I'm behind, and Garrett's behind me, and I'll Steve, I'll 2:45:53.600 --> 2:45:55.480 let you take it here because I want to hear here. 2:45:55.560 --> 2:45:57.240 We get up to where we think it is, and 2:45:57.280 --> 2:45:59.480 all of a sudden I see it dear's head and 2:45:59.520 --> 2:46:03.680 I think it was wounded and is now jumped up, 2:46:04.440 --> 2:46:06.760 and he's fifteen yards away, and that's all to get away. 2:46:06.840 --> 2:46:10.119 And I'm saying, shooting the net, shooting the net, shooting 2:46:10.160 --> 2:46:14.200 the net because I think it's him, And Ben is 2:46:14.240 --> 2:46:17.480 behind me. A little bit, throws up steep pitch, steep pitch, 2:46:17.520 --> 2:46:21.760 a lot of grass, throws up his rifle. Bouch just 2:46:22.280 --> 2:46:25.879 runs away like even healthier or not, like almost like 2:46:25.920 --> 2:46:28.119 it charged up by the fact that it's the most 2:46:28.160 --> 2:46:34.920 amazing display of athleticism into the next qu elliot, goold 2:46:35.040 --> 2:46:38.000 the levitated out of there, and but I but he's 2:46:38.040 --> 2:46:39.680 saying shoot him in the neck. And I look up 2:46:39.720 --> 2:46:42.800 and I see ears. I thought, like one of those 2:46:42.800 --> 2:46:44.800 things that there's nothing to lose because he's already you 2:46:44.840 --> 2:46:47.560 wounded him. Yeah, And so I took two steps forward 2:46:47.600 --> 2:46:49.480 and same, I'm thinking the same thing. I gotta get 2:46:50.040 --> 2:46:52.440 a bullet in this animal again and finish him off. 2:46:52.920 --> 2:46:55.120 So I kind of went to where I knew his 2:46:55.160 --> 2:46:56.840 ears were, which I went down to where I thought 2:46:56.840 --> 2:47:00.040 his neck wasn't shot basically into the grass, just to 2:47:00.080 --> 2:47:02.360 get one in it and it that didn't condam and 2:47:02.360 --> 2:47:04.560 then we scoured the area for hair and blood and 2:47:04.680 --> 2:47:06.680 it was gone. He was he was as healthy as 2:47:06.800 --> 2:47:11.640 we deturned that he was in fact exceedingly healthy, exceedingly healthy. 2:47:11.720 --> 2:47:14.120 And the walkout was was interesting because you kind of 2:47:14.160 --> 2:47:15.720 go through the motions that I missed it. There was 2:47:15.760 --> 2:47:18.640 a giant's world record buck and it was two hours 2:47:18.720 --> 2:47:22.080 without proper communication, yeah from our pickup. Yeah, and the 2:47:22.200 --> 2:47:24.360 plenty of time to think. We we had the two hour, 2:47:24.520 --> 2:47:28.320 three mile hike out in nasty country, which led to 2:47:29.080 --> 2:47:32.200 fast forward the next morning. I feel like I've had 2:47:32.240 --> 2:47:34.560 my chance at al Gagante, and you might move back 2:47:34.600 --> 2:47:36.720 to I want to go back to l Surprises because 2:47:36.720 --> 2:47:38.640 I want John to get a chance, because I after 2:47:38.760 --> 2:47:41.800 up my chance. So I'm thinking it's only fair to 2:47:41.879 --> 2:47:44.480 let someone else back into the into the honey hoole, 2:47:45.240 --> 2:47:47.280 because I gotta you know, there needs to be some 2:47:47.320 --> 2:47:50.000 sort of reset based on my failure to get done 2:47:50.080 --> 2:47:52.800 what should probably have been done in that in that case. 2:47:53.080 --> 2:47:55.560 So I just I think, in all fairness, I can't 2:47:55.600 --> 2:47:59.200 just hog this area or this buck because I had 2:47:59.240 --> 2:48:01.160 my shot at him. You gotta give somebody else a shot. 2:48:01.280 --> 2:48:03.840 That's kind of an interesting question though, because there's a 2:48:05.760 --> 2:48:08.720 they're all these like unspoken dynamics in a deer camp, 2:48:09.520 --> 2:48:12.520 you know, in terms of who shoots win and kind 2:48:12.560 --> 2:48:15.680 of courtesy. And that's why you flip chunks of down. Yeah, 2:48:17.640 --> 2:48:20.480 you have a donk flip. You've got a situation where 2:48:21.240 --> 2:48:23.800 you know, Yanni wants me to shoot and I don't wanna, 2:48:24.200 --> 2:48:26.879 you know, I mean both for and again, everything I 2:48:26.879 --> 2:48:30.840 think is motivated by good, very positive feelings. But it's 2:48:31.040 --> 2:48:33.680 it's interesting this code. I would never write the rule. 2:48:33.720 --> 2:48:35.520 I would never write a code down like that, But 2:48:35.600 --> 2:48:38.279 I would say it's a whatever I feel in the moment. 2:48:38.720 --> 2:48:43.440 You know, whatever I feel like is right based on 2:48:43.440 --> 2:48:45.840 that situation and that set of circumstances. But when you 2:48:45.879 --> 2:48:49.760 say the code exists even though I don't think it 2:48:49.879 --> 2:48:52.200 is written right, well, I think that when you hang 2:48:52.240 --> 2:48:53.800 out with if you're with them and you hang out 2:48:53.800 --> 2:48:55.800 with all the time, you just have established it. Like 2:48:55.800 --> 2:48:57.120 if you don't let's say you're with you to hang 2:48:57.120 --> 2:48:59.080 out all the time, you don't want to drive, you 2:48:59.160 --> 2:49:01.200 stick of driving to be like, dude, I'm not freaking 2:49:01.280 --> 2:49:04.320 drive not driving, and people be like, okay, cool, I'll 2:49:04.360 --> 2:49:06.920 drive every with people. You don't know. You can't come 2:49:06.920 --> 2:49:09.040 down the parking lot and be like, tell you one thing, 2:49:09.240 --> 2:49:12.760 I'm not driving. Yeah. There, you're gonna get marked as 2:49:12.760 --> 2:49:15.560 an a hole, right, So you gotta be like, oh, 2:49:15.680 --> 2:49:20.880 you know, well I could drive even well I don't know. 2:49:20.920 --> 2:49:23.120 I mean, do you want well, I'm not dying to drive, 2:49:23.200 --> 2:49:25.000 but I mean if you really don't want, you know, 2:49:25.200 --> 2:49:27.240 if you don't want to drive, I suppose I mean 2:49:27.280 --> 2:49:30.879 I'll kill Gagante. Yeah. So's it just has a it's 2:49:30.879 --> 2:49:34.760 a matter of whether you've been around each other long enough. 2:49:35.320 --> 2:49:38.320 But I think it is important in those situations to 2:49:38.440 --> 2:49:40.760 talk about, Like I brought this up before, my brother 2:49:41.720 --> 2:49:44.400 carrying moose is hard. My brother when they when when 2:49:44.480 --> 2:49:47.280 Danny keep mentioned different brother, but my brother Dany when 2:49:47.280 --> 2:49:50.640 they go on the moose trips putting out of their boats, 2:49:51.080 --> 2:49:54.680 they like, right off the bat, let's agree, how far 2:49:54.720 --> 2:49:56.520 are we going to carry a bowl so that when 2:49:56.520 --> 2:50:00.960 we all split up, we know off that river corridor. Yeah, 2:50:01.240 --> 2:50:03.080 someone can't come back to camp and be like I 2:50:03.160 --> 2:50:05.520 was really tempted and shot one five miles off the 2:50:05.640 --> 2:50:08.800 river and lay that and everyone so that everyone now 2:50:08.800 --> 2:50:11.200 that he's spent all those days carrying the bull, they're like, 2:50:11.440 --> 2:50:13.160 what are we gonna make? Is it a mile? Is 2:50:13.160 --> 2:50:15.640 it two miles? And three miles? And when we make 2:50:15.680 --> 2:50:18.480 the rule, don't violate the rule exactly, don't come tell 2:50:18.520 --> 2:50:20.880 me you shot some bowl and now I'm going to 2:50:20.959 --> 2:50:23.800 devote my whole trip to carry in your bowl. Yeah. 2:50:23.840 --> 2:50:26.240 I mean that that. I mean that's and with moose, 2:50:26.320 --> 2:50:28.160 I mean you've got to may big thing you've got 2:50:28.160 --> 2:50:30.480 to do. But there's a I don't know, I guess 2:50:30.520 --> 2:50:34.680 I find it an interesting this sort of there's a graciousness, yes, 2:50:35.200 --> 2:50:38.720 because nobody here there's nobody here that this is a 2:50:38.840 --> 2:50:40.840 once It's a once in a lifetime in a way. 2:50:40.879 --> 2:50:43.720 But you also understand that that this is a this 2:50:43.800 --> 2:50:46.800 is a unique opportunity that we all get fairly frequently. 2:50:47.879 --> 2:50:51.440 You know, this is something that I know that that 2:50:51.680 --> 2:50:53.800 there's no there's no reason for me to have any 2:50:53.840 --> 2:50:57.120 inkling of selfishness in regards to the giant cues deer 2:50:57.120 --> 2:50:59.600 that I saw like that at first, it's not my 2:50:59.760 --> 2:51:01.520 right to have that because I because I don't have 2:51:01.520 --> 2:51:03.920 any history with it. I haven't earned anything in regards 2:51:03.959 --> 2:51:08.560 to that deer. Um there was a lot of luck 2:51:08.640 --> 2:51:12.000 based on the discovery of and me pulling the trigger. 2:51:12.080 --> 2:51:17.160 So I I feel like, as decorum states, give someone 2:51:17.200 --> 2:51:18.960 else a chance to have that same piece of luck, 2:51:19.000 --> 2:51:23.160 because you know, and I've I've probably harmed in my 2:51:23.280 --> 2:51:26.240 missing the deer, harmed his chance to have his chance 2:51:26.240 --> 2:51:28.560 to see it and shoot at And so he's going 2:51:28.600 --> 2:51:32.600 and probably handicapped by my failure at some level. And 2:51:32.640 --> 2:51:34.520 that's why I just go through those feelings. And when 2:51:34.560 --> 2:51:37.240 you're successful and somebody's hunting an area and then you 2:51:37.320 --> 2:51:39.039 jump back in and hunt it and shoot a deer 2:51:39.080 --> 2:51:41.440 that they never saw, I there's some guilt there, right, 2:51:41.440 --> 2:51:44.000 because you didn't work as hard to pick a part 2:51:44.040 --> 2:51:46.680 in area and discovery had any discovery. Yeah, there's like 2:51:46.720 --> 2:51:50.360 the same plain simple rule of like if mom was happy, happy, 2:51:50.480 --> 2:51:53.600 everybody's happy. And I always kind of feel like, I 2:51:53.720 --> 2:51:55.760 know how I'll come out at the end of the 2:51:55.840 --> 2:52:02.960 hunt if I don't have a deer, like yeah, but 2:52:03.200 --> 2:52:05.640 if like someone else doesn't have a deer, I'm like, 2:52:05.680 --> 2:52:09.560 I'm gonna have like the sympathy for that, and that 2:52:09.640 --> 2:52:12.080 almost would rather not have that and just be like 2:52:12.120 --> 2:52:14.640 I didn't get a deer bummer everybody else did, though, 2:52:14.680 --> 2:52:18.160 Sweet let's go home. That's a perfect, you know, transition 2:52:18.200 --> 2:52:23.040 to the deer I did kill because this is what 2:52:23.160 --> 2:52:28.080 Two days later, now we'd go try to get else surprised. Oh, 2:52:28.400 --> 2:52:32.560 and then the last day, which is yesterday, we decide 2:52:32.560 --> 2:52:35.480 we're gonna full core press the southwest corner. John gets 2:52:35.480 --> 2:52:38.120 the centry John gets a centry buck. We put the 2:52:38.160 --> 2:52:40.840 moves on a new brand new buck. Yeah, we'll call 2:52:40.920 --> 2:52:43.879 him brand new. We haven't named him yet, branded the 2:52:43.920 --> 2:52:46.560 previously unknown briefly unknown bucks. We go up on it. 2:52:46.600 --> 2:52:47.760 Steve and I go up on a tit and sit 2:52:47.800 --> 2:52:49.200 all day in the sun and the shade and have 2:52:49.280 --> 2:52:52.359 that experience of it just met. Your eyes are bleeding. 2:52:52.440 --> 2:52:54.760 You've looked over this country a million times. You can't 2:52:54.800 --> 2:52:57.280 look behind another damn bush and see another damn single 2:52:57.360 --> 2:53:00.760 dough walking around with a fawn. H You just don't 2:53:00.800 --> 2:53:02.680 want to see it anymore. You want to see the 2:53:02.680 --> 2:53:05.600 thing you're after. Like and and I was getting a 2:53:05.600 --> 2:53:08.200 little bit just kind of groggy and frustrated and tired 2:53:08.240 --> 2:53:11.879 of sitting under a damn bush and couch it. And uh, 2:53:12.120 --> 2:53:15.200 we finally see We sat there all day on the 2:53:15.240 --> 2:53:18.360 same knob from eight, from about seven thirty eight to 2:53:18.600 --> 2:53:24.480 what time was it three? So when Steve spots this 2:53:24.600 --> 2:53:29.000 unknown buck around the same knob as we hunted the 2:53:29.640 --> 2:53:32.600 first hunted, the crowd club buck, we we start getting 2:53:32.600 --> 2:53:35.000 after him and I'm with his nose up the keys 2:53:35.000 --> 2:53:37.879 throws a four doors four does I'm in John's situation, 2:53:37.920 --> 2:53:40.240 I mean fully in kill mode. We're gonna get across 2:53:40.240 --> 2:53:42.240 this ridgeon kill this deer, and it has to happen 2:53:42.280 --> 2:53:44.560 now or it's not gonna happen. So there's like a 2:53:45.360 --> 2:53:49.280 the the intensity is up, and we we pack up 2:53:49.280 --> 2:53:52.959 and we start going down this hill we're going, and 2:53:53.040 --> 2:53:55.640 we're we're doing the old baby deer walk on the 2:53:55.720 --> 2:53:58.520 freaking lava rocks, you know, twisting your angles and turning 2:53:58.520 --> 2:54:00.840 your knees and just trying to putting your hand on 2:54:00.959 --> 2:54:02.720 a bush or down here, and trying to get down 2:54:02.720 --> 2:54:06.600 this hill. I'm in the lead, and we're going down 2:54:06.600 --> 2:54:10.040 this slope towards the river bottom, and i've my right 2:54:10.080 --> 2:54:11.920 foot slips out, my left foot goes in the air, 2:54:11.920 --> 2:54:14.920 and my left hand goes back to brace my fall, 2:54:15.000 --> 2:54:17.600 as we all probably did three or four dozen times 2:54:18.240 --> 2:54:21.160 during the hunt. My left hand goes straight back down 2:54:21.760 --> 2:54:24.879 and into what do they call it a chola cactus, 2:54:27.320 --> 2:54:33.480 just child a choya cactus, which sports many hundreds of 2:54:34.040 --> 2:54:39.960 sharp ass pointy thorns. And I gotta say, I looked 2:54:39.959 --> 2:54:43.039 down at my hand, and it's not yet bleeding, but 2:54:43.080 --> 2:54:45.760 I can see that there's probably a hundred and fifty 2:54:46.440 --> 2:54:48.480 or as many as you could fit on one guy's 2:54:48.520 --> 2:54:51.959 hand thorns sticking out of my hand. And my first 2:54:51.959 --> 2:54:55.840 thought is this is gonna hurt real bad in a second. 2:54:55.840 --> 2:54:58.080 But it doesn't hurt right now. My first thought is 2:54:58.120 --> 2:55:02.280 what time is it. That's by the time you get 2:55:02.320 --> 2:55:04.920 all those thorns out, it'll be dark. Yeah, So my 2:55:04.959 --> 2:55:07.200 first thought is A hundred and fifty is a lot. 2:55:07.800 --> 2:55:10.200 What time is it? Because how quickly can I get 2:55:10.200 --> 2:55:12.200 these things out of my damn hand? One of them 2:55:12.240 --> 2:55:13.920 is like almost all the way through my finger. The 2:55:13.959 --> 2:55:15.600 other one is stuck in my wrist and like a 2:55:15.680 --> 2:55:18.200 vein if you pull on it, and like one of 2:55:18.240 --> 2:55:23.160 my eyelashes move like there's some ship going on in 2:55:23.200 --> 2:55:25.680 my hand. But my thought, my first initial thought was 2:55:25.720 --> 2:55:28.640 how much time is there left? Because this is this 2:55:28.720 --> 2:55:32.640 is an impediment to me getting the old this new 2:55:32.680 --> 2:55:36.680 bucket shown up. So Steve starts trying to pull these out, 2:55:36.720 --> 2:55:38.200 and as he starts to pull him out, he gets 2:55:38.240 --> 2:55:40.720 him in his in his hand, and now I'm trying 2:55:40.760 --> 2:55:42.640 to pull him out, and as I pull him out 2:55:42.640 --> 2:55:44.480 of my left hand, they're getting stuck in my right hand. 2:55:45.520 --> 2:55:47.600 And so eventually it just has to I just start 2:55:47.680 --> 2:55:50.640 yanking these things out and I get him mostly, if 2:55:50.640 --> 2:55:52.760 not all, out of my hand. Now there's blood everywhere, 2:55:54.080 --> 2:55:57.200 and uh, Steve even took time to call us on 2:55:57.240 --> 2:55:59.880 the radio to be like Ben fell into a gag 2:56:00.320 --> 2:56:05.080 and he's got blood everywhere. It's not looking good and 2:56:05.120 --> 2:56:07.120 he's saying to me, like that's gonna hurt later, Like 2:56:08.080 --> 2:56:11.560 you're fucked man, that that kind of deal. And uh, 2:56:11.560 --> 2:56:13.920 And I was feeling like the ones at my wrist 2:56:14.000 --> 2:56:15.920 when I pulled on him. I'm telling you, like my 2:56:16.240 --> 2:56:19.680 pinky nail just twitched. They were they was attached some 2:56:19.840 --> 2:56:22.760 nerve or something. So anyway, I finally get all these 2:56:22.760 --> 2:56:24.880 things out. I remember there's one big bird and like 2:56:25.000 --> 2:56:27.160 under my pinky that I just had to close my 2:56:27.200 --> 2:56:29.160 eyes and do one of those like ripping the shark 2:56:29.200 --> 2:56:30.720 tooth out of your thigh. I mean, after you got 2:56:30.720 --> 2:56:34.360 bit rip that thing out and stood up and like, 2:56:34.440 --> 2:56:37.320 let's go. I guess we gotta go. It sucks. So 2:56:37.400 --> 2:56:39.080 we get down the hill and up the other side, 2:56:39.120 --> 2:56:41.400 and we're up on this road and about three yards 2:56:41.440 --> 2:56:44.240 and where we know this buck to be, and we start. 2:56:44.320 --> 2:56:47.400 We I immediately look over to Steve and you'd feel 2:56:47.400 --> 2:56:49.560 the wind in the exact wrong direction it needs to 2:56:49.560 --> 2:56:52.000 be for us to kill something. So we get around 2:56:52.000 --> 2:56:53.960 close to where we might be able to see these deer, 2:56:54.000 --> 2:56:56.560 and of course there's what five or six does, and 2:56:56.600 --> 2:56:58.760 a small bucket between us and in the country that 2:56:59.160 --> 2:57:02.040 way more deer and we thought way more dear. The 2:57:02.080 --> 2:57:04.920 wind is wrong. There's way more dear than we thought. 2:57:06.120 --> 2:57:09.160 It kind of seems like my hand is thriving. It 2:57:09.200 --> 2:57:10.920 seems like there's like that the hunt is kind of 2:57:10.959 --> 2:57:13.440 gasping for air, like this is it's over. We're just 2:57:13.520 --> 2:57:16.119 kind of playing around at this. We're not gonna get 2:57:16.160 --> 2:57:18.680 this in real We're not gonna actually hunt this deer. 2:57:19.760 --> 2:57:21.520 And I'm thinking it's over, but we're still gonna go 2:57:21.560 --> 2:57:23.360 through the motions and go try to find this thing. 2:57:24.120 --> 2:57:26.560 We get going up this ridge where we know the 2:57:26.600 --> 2:57:28.960 deers on. We spook a few more doughes and fawns, 2:57:29.000 --> 2:57:31.640 look around, there's no deer. Like I think you probably 2:57:31.720 --> 2:57:35.600 knew Steve that that thing's gone thirty minutes before we 2:57:36.040 --> 2:57:38.520 because of the smell, because of the number of deer 2:57:38.760 --> 2:57:40.879 failing through where they went. So we get up to 2:57:40.879 --> 2:57:42.640 the top of the ridge where to look around to 2:57:42.680 --> 2:57:45.640 see maybe if he's still hanging around chasing does and 2:57:45.760 --> 2:57:51.040 he's not there. So I kind of sit down and 2:57:51.160 --> 2:57:53.600 what Yanni said came to my mind, like everybody else 2:57:53.640 --> 2:57:57.080 got deer and I didn't. That's awesome, Like if it's 2:57:57.120 --> 2:57:59.360 if somebody wasn't gonna dear, I'm glad it's me and 2:57:59.360 --> 2:58:01.600 I don't have to, you know, feel bad for anybody 2:58:01.600 --> 2:58:04.039 else working their ass off and nothing. At least I 2:58:04.080 --> 2:58:10.480 got mine, and thinking that, don't flip, you're one, don't 2:58:10.520 --> 2:58:13.960 flip away from sitting on that sun. So I'm sundown 2:58:14.000 --> 2:58:16.879 and on a Mexican mountain like watching this sun go down, 2:58:17.040 --> 2:58:20.280 Like what a beautiful sun down. This is fantastic. I 2:58:20.680 --> 2:58:24.640 didn't get a deer, but what wonderful experiences I've had 2:58:24.720 --> 2:58:28.240 here with my friends and getting all, you know, if 2:58:28.240 --> 2:58:31.680 I had a journalize the road in it. And then 2:58:31.800 --> 2:58:34.720 I hear Steve, hey, hey, hey, come here. I go 2:58:34.840 --> 2:58:36.200 up the hill to where he is, and he's like, 2:58:36.400 --> 2:58:38.000 they got a buck spot at Yon. He's gonna come 2:58:38.000 --> 2:58:39.600 down to meet us if we get if we're we 2:58:39.680 --> 2:58:43.160 go really quick, we can get him. I'm like, oh yeah, 2:58:43.240 --> 2:58:46.600 right right right. If we go quick, we'll just run 2:58:47.200 --> 2:58:50.000 down the Lava Rock mountain. I'll fall in another cactus 2:58:50.120 --> 2:58:54.320 and I'll die for this deer. But anyway we get 2:58:54.320 --> 2:58:56.000 going down the hill, we're gonna do it right. We're 2:58:56.000 --> 2:58:59.560 going through those motions because you have to um even 2:58:59.600 --> 2:59:01.720 if you think gets over. So we started getting down 2:59:01.760 --> 2:59:03.959 this one, ravine up the other one getting the same 2:59:04.000 --> 2:59:07.280 RIGGIANI was glassing from. He comes down the hill. He 2:59:07.320 --> 2:59:10.280 comes striding down the hill, looking confident as ever. And 2:59:10.280 --> 2:59:13.360 I immediately look at him and like, okay, I think 2:59:13.640 --> 2:59:15.760 he's got some confidence in that there's a plan to 2:59:15.840 --> 2:59:18.320 maybe make something happen. Yeah, we were, we were what 2:59:18.520 --> 2:59:25.520 six hundred sixty ish yards away? Right, Garrett spotted two dolls, 2:59:25.760 --> 2:59:28.640 and ten minutes later I went back to glass these doughs, 2:59:28.760 --> 2:59:32.280 and one's running, you know, across the hillside. Yeah, you go, 2:59:32.760 --> 2:59:35.080 I wonder what's that, what that's all about? And sure 2:59:35.160 --> 2:59:38.160 enough buck, Yeah, And at this point it's what it's 2:59:38.440 --> 2:59:41.080 last shooting late, it's five thirty, maybe it's five oh five. 2:59:42.120 --> 2:59:45.959 That's something in that range. Definitely passed on up. And 2:59:46.000 --> 2:59:48.160 I've given them mentally, I've kind of given I already 2:59:48.160 --> 2:59:50.080 had that sundown moment. So I'm like, this is just 2:59:50.200 --> 2:59:55.240 you know, a little extra overtime or whatever, fun nightcap. 2:59:55.280 --> 2:59:58.600 It's a little nightcap. Yeah. Well, actually we'll just John 2:59:58.680 --> 3:00:00.360 over here and now I'll scarce more deer and then 3:00:00.400 --> 3:00:04.840 we'll go back to America. And so we get going 3:00:04.959 --> 3:00:08.920 over there, and I could just see in Yanni's like determined. 3:00:09.240 --> 3:00:11.200 And that's another thing, Like you start hunt with a 3:00:11.240 --> 3:00:13.320 group of people and you know that they're determined for 3:00:13.800 --> 3:00:16.360 for there, everyone to get a buck and everybody to 3:00:16.440 --> 3:00:19.320 have success, and like that determinations like okay, well yeah, 3:00:19.360 --> 3:00:23.000 maybe maybe this can happen. It's happened to me before. 3:00:23.440 --> 3:00:25.400 So we start getting over there. We get over to 3:00:25.480 --> 3:00:29.160 the to the area where the buck is. Yanni gets 3:00:29.200 --> 3:00:31.600 pointed in the right direction. We get over It's just 3:00:31.680 --> 3:00:34.320 a small ridge that's kind of covered in some cedars 3:00:34.760 --> 3:00:36.600 where we were kind of in some mesquites where we 3:00:36.640 --> 3:00:39.640 were kind of covered a little bit. We we I 3:00:39.720 --> 3:00:41.560 lay my pack down, he lays his back down. I 3:00:41.640 --> 3:00:44.120 put the rifle pointed to where Yanni thinks the buck 3:00:44.200 --> 3:00:48.440 might be. Well, at this point, it's like dark looking 3:00:48.480 --> 3:00:50.760 through the scope. You can see shadowy figures that look 3:00:50.840 --> 3:00:53.800 like deer and trees, and but there's enough light in 3:00:53.840 --> 3:00:57.760 the scope to make a shot ethically. And every minute 3:00:57.840 --> 3:00:59.920 that's getting you know, working on a ticking clock, just 3:01:00.000 --> 3:01:02.040 like you're talking about that dial, it's already clicked over 3:01:02.200 --> 3:01:06.640 to the dusk. I mean it's clicked and we're looking 3:01:06.720 --> 3:01:09.600 at this dough and Yanni's sports spots this dough at 3:01:09.600 --> 3:01:12.480 two and twenty yards, and we're waiting for the buck 3:01:12.600 --> 3:01:16.880 to kind of run up behind the dough, right, Joannie, Yeah, 3:01:16.920 --> 3:01:18.800 I mean we're just I mean, at least we had 3:01:18.920 --> 3:01:21.880 eyes on a beer. Yeah, we're, you know, hoping that 3:01:22.000 --> 3:01:24.240 the box around there somewhere, and he's gonna show himself 3:01:24.360 --> 3:01:28.280 before it's you know, pitch black. I looked to the 3:01:28.400 --> 3:01:31.160 left of where this deer is this. That deer runs 3:01:31.200 --> 3:01:33.360 off the ridge we're looking at. I look to the left. 3:01:33.400 --> 3:01:36.000 As it runs, I see another dough coming up the 3:01:36.080 --> 3:01:40.120 same ridge to our left at about two yards, and 3:01:40.280 --> 3:01:42.520 I go to get back on my gun, just thinking 3:01:42.560 --> 3:01:44.480 maybe this buck is behind. And as I'm getting in 3:01:44.520 --> 3:01:46.200 the scope, Yanni goes there he is. He's right there, 3:01:46.200 --> 3:01:48.640 He's right there's right there. He's following her. He's going 3:01:48.760 --> 3:01:51.560 the same pass he was nose down just getting After 3:01:52.360 --> 3:01:54.560 I get on the scope, I find him. There's that 3:01:54.720 --> 3:01:59.000 tall yellow grass is she's kind of shrouding my scope. 3:01:59.040 --> 3:02:01.000 I can still see line, but I've got this yellow 3:02:01.080 --> 3:02:03.960 haze between me and this deer. I get him in 3:02:04.000 --> 3:02:06.119 the scope and I'm following him, and Yanni starts making 3:02:06.160 --> 3:02:10.440 that noise. What does that sound like? That one? I 3:02:10.520 --> 3:02:14.880 started with it, man, and then it was like and 3:02:14.920 --> 3:02:18.920 they're like, he eventually stops once, but he didn't stop 3:02:19.080 --> 3:02:21.320 forms but a split sat I think he heard hey, 3:02:21.400 --> 3:02:25.240 and he's like, really, are you yelling at me? Trying 3:02:25.280 --> 3:02:28.000 to I'm trying to chase this still around, so I'm 3:02:28.040 --> 3:02:30.160 one a at this one. I'm tracking him. I'm moving 3:02:30.200 --> 3:02:32.280 around the grass. I can't. I don't have the best 3:02:32.760 --> 3:02:36.160 view of this deer. Yanni gives him another Hey. He 3:02:36.320 --> 3:02:39.640 turns around. He's courting severely. Way I put the cross 3:02:39.680 --> 3:02:42.960 airs on him. I feel good. Boom, pull the trigger again, 3:02:43.160 --> 3:02:46.800 lose everything and it's over. You know. I got a 3:02:46.840 --> 3:02:48.560 shot off. And then immediately after I pulled the trigger, 3:02:48.560 --> 3:02:50.320 I thought, Wow, I got a shot off at a 3:02:50.400 --> 3:02:53.360 deer and I feel good about it. Holy wow. That 3:02:53.480 --> 3:02:55.760 in and of itself is yeah, only two yards, so 3:02:56.160 --> 3:02:58.280 one't too far away, you know, And it was it was, 3:02:58.520 --> 3:03:01.160 you know, a good shot. He was, you know, quartering away, 3:03:01.560 --> 3:03:06.600 completely standing still. I had, you know, a good field 3:03:06.600 --> 3:03:09.840 of view with the deer, and uh, honestly, I think 3:03:09.840 --> 3:03:11.880 I heard it hit. He spun and went downhill. And 3:03:11.959 --> 3:03:13.280 those are all things you want to hear when you 3:03:13.320 --> 3:03:16.160 shoot at something. So we went over and looked, and 3:03:16.200 --> 3:03:17.760 we get him over the hill, and I'm thinking, if 3:03:17.800 --> 3:03:21.440 I missed this deer, that only adds to the pain 3:03:21.600 --> 3:03:28.040 of the fact that El Gagante is running around here somewhere. Yeah, 3:03:28.040 --> 3:03:30.279 I got a hundred fifty cacti and that thing's throbbing, 3:03:31.120 --> 3:03:32.920 and I'm still I looked down in my hand every 3:03:32.959 --> 3:03:34.120 once in a while with the head lamp, and I 3:03:34.200 --> 3:03:36.160 could see that there's more thorns in there that I 3:03:36.440 --> 3:03:38.320 haven't pulled out. So I got some more work to do. 3:03:38.959 --> 3:03:40.680 We get over there and that and that deer's laying 3:03:41.440 --> 3:03:43.840 ten yards from where I shot at him, twenty yards 3:03:43.879 --> 3:03:47.160 and he's dead. And it took me probably till we 3:03:47.280 --> 3:03:48.720 got back to the ranger we packed him out, and 3:03:48.760 --> 3:03:50.440 getting him out and packed him out to be like, wow, 3:03:51.080 --> 3:03:56.280 that happened. Like from the sundowning ridge to the dead 3:03:56.360 --> 3:04:00.520 deer was about twenty minutes, maybe five minutes, and then 3:04:00.560 --> 3:04:03.000 another hour and half to the range. And those two hours, 3:04:03.320 --> 3:04:06.640 the entire structure of the hunt and what you think 3:04:06.680 --> 3:04:11.200 about it changed. And that's that's why it's awesome. That's 3:04:11.240 --> 3:04:14.160 why Honey is great, because that can happen, and it did. 3:04:15.280 --> 3:04:21.080 Potentially nameless buck or we saw about Yanny and I 3:04:21.160 --> 3:04:23.119 saw a buck the day before down in that zone. 3:04:23.160 --> 3:04:24.600 We were hunting him. I mean we were in there 3:04:24.800 --> 3:04:27.800 glassing up trying to find that buck. Normal we called 3:04:27.879 --> 3:04:29.760 a normal buck because he was a nice just a nice, 3:04:29.840 --> 3:04:35.640 normal looking eight Michigan Michigan eight. So that's the story. 3:04:35.760 --> 3:04:38.280 And that was, um, I think for all of us, 3:04:38.360 --> 3:04:40.600 Like we were all involved in that one. We weren't 3:04:40.600 --> 3:04:44.160 all involved in Steve's, we weren't all involved in Yanni's 3:04:45.280 --> 3:04:47.640 or John's, but we were all involved in some way 3:04:47.800 --> 3:04:51.000 in mine. So that's a pretty good way to Yeah. 3:04:51.000 --> 3:04:54.440 And and then sixteen or so hours later, I was 3:04:54.520 --> 3:04:58.760 singing that Neil Diamond song They Come and to America, 3:04:59.800 --> 3:05:02.480 And as we went through customs, and I was thinking, 3:05:02.720 --> 3:05:07.520 I'm free, and I was singing, and I like, like, 3:05:08.640 --> 3:05:10.879 I like the Petty I like the Petty tribute because 3:05:10.920 --> 3:05:14.880 we just lost Tom Petty, great American. Um. But I 3:05:14.920 --> 3:05:18.400 definitely get like, why free falling free? Because I didn't 3:05:18.400 --> 3:05:21.520 hadn't thought it through. Yeah, you're just like creasing the border. 3:05:21.600 --> 3:05:24.080 And I went on free and he started switched. I 3:05:24.200 --> 3:05:26.560 switched to Lee Greenwood was proud to be an American. 3:05:26.840 --> 3:05:29.440 But it felt a little heavy handed, a little bit much. 3:05:30.400 --> 3:05:32.560 It wasn't like, I mean, we've been down hunting, you know. 3:05:32.600 --> 3:05:34.600 I mean, it wasn't that we're coming back from warfare 3:05:34.680 --> 3:05:37.400 something we've been down like enjoying ourselves. So I stuck 3:05:37.440 --> 3:05:40.880 with um Neil Diamond. But I thought I thought the 3:05:41.000 --> 3:05:44.960 free Falling was a good tribute to Ben's experience. Yeah, yeah, 3:05:45.000 --> 3:05:47.920 that was well. And I was sitting beside Yanni when 3:05:47.920 --> 3:05:49.920 he when he let out free falling, and he was 3:05:50.000 --> 3:05:52.480 very confident. He was like, and I'm free and after 3:05:52.520 --> 3:05:56.680 he said freeze, like crap, the next word is falling 3:05:56.760 --> 3:05:59.800 and that's not what I was going on. Um Cha 3:06:00.040 --> 3:06:02.760 ended it up with some customs guys who are fun 3:06:02.879 --> 3:06:05.520 to deal with, and then uh fans, Yeah, there we are. 3:06:06.520 --> 3:06:08.480 I had a dirt missong stuck in my head. I said, 3:06:08.800 --> 3:06:12.760 that is the man? Or is he? Dude? I that 3:06:12.920 --> 3:06:16.080 perpetually I had that song stuck in my head being 3:06:16.120 --> 3:06:21.680 the guy that wrote it. Uh. One last quick slot NiFi. 3:06:22.480 --> 3:06:25.760 You know, NiFi is not in the room. I'm I'm 3:06:25.760 --> 3:06:29.880 addressing NiFi out there in the in the lands. You know, 3:06:30.080 --> 3:06:33.000 that that's not true. I said I don't like any 3:06:33.040 --> 3:06:37.280 politicians because I was being hyperbolic, um, and I was 3:06:37.320 --> 3:06:40.400 talking smack like it's an American thing to talk smack 3:06:40.480 --> 3:06:43.640 about not liking any politicians. I like quite a few 3:06:43.680 --> 3:06:46.560 of them, including you know who I'm talking about. I 3:06:46.800 --> 3:06:54.279 love that man, um, so don't get prickly. Thanks for listening.