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Speaker 1: is gonna be very difficult what I'm gonna do right now,

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Speaker 1: because I need to talk about a bunch of things

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Speaker 1: that are unrelated to what we're talking about. And they're unrelated,

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Speaker 1: it come off seeming really flowey, right, like it like

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Speaker 1: for instance, first off, as a correction, that Sam Houston

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Speaker 1: did not die at the Alamo. We're conversing about this

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Speaker 1: the other day on the show, and we were we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, like, who didn't didn't die at the Alamo?

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Speaker 1: How Davy Crockett. There's a rumor that Davy Crockett did

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Speaker 1: And someone I don't want to name names, someone speculator

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Speaker 1: removed from the Governor's office. Sam Houston National Forest he

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Speaker 1: relate to that. Imagine the trouble of trying to relate

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Speaker 1: that to this. Another guy writes in to say he's

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Speaker 1: all worked up. Um, no, this is about dirt. This

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Speaker 1: is I get that in a minute. He's all worked

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Speaker 1: up about us, saying someone speculating that the wolves in

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Speaker 1: Washington state had rolled in from Yellowstone, but Idaho had

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised, he says that. He he says, and he

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Speaker 1: real quick. This guy goes on, This guy has a

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Speaker 1: A guy wrote in wanting you to know that there's

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Speaker 1: using tobacco free dip. I've tried that. Oh yeah, black

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Speaker 1: interest in taking this guy's advice and trying. No, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it, but I've down that ruffalo dip free dip.

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Speaker 1: one last question and then we'll move on. Um. A

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Speaker 1: And he said, because he has priorities, yeah, in life,

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to do that for years. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: that's another transition. Where in the world is dirt po Yeah,

424
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: dirt there. There was explained to someone how we're talking

425
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: about whether or not who knew Spanish and who knew what,

426
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: and Dirt clarified that he hadn't even learned English really

427
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: well yet he wanted to give me more time because

428
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: he was wondering if if we were looking at a

429
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: peacock and he was surprised that they hadn't been predated

430
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: yet that I got it. Once you learn the dirt

431
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: myths language, though, you can you knew what I was

432
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: completely consisted by what words actually are there, and you're

433
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: able to just like make your point clearly, but just

434
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: making up whole new things to make up what you

435
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: could have said preyed upon. But that that's way too

436
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: many syllables. Like if this guy doesn't have time for deodering,

437
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: he does not have time to say, pray, let me

438
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: lift my stinky arm to look at my non watch,

439
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: So Sam Houston, Yeah, Desert White Tales and like Mexico

440
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: is this fairy? Because Yah's experience with Desert White Tales

441
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: runs deeper a little bit. Yeah, is what fair? What

442
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: are you asking me? Like the Mexico's like where it's at? Oh? Yeah,

443
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: I was just talking about good buddy Tyler on the

444
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,719
Speaker 1: phone notes he's living two songs, recommended some restaurants, and

445
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: he's leaving on Saturday. I think to go down. He's

446
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: hunt with Beato next week. So the Beato is getting

447
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: tags for him and his dad, and Um, I was

448
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: telling about how good the hunt was, and he's like, yeah, bro,

449
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: that's why you go to Mexico. It's kind of like

450
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: it's just a whole different ballgame, you know, like you

451
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: just you grind it out in Arizona and you go

452
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: to Mexico and it's, um, figure out how to make

453
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: an analogy. You know, it's like fishing where I don't know,

454
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: you're trying to find an analogy of where something's not

455
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: that great and then where it's real great. Midwest the

456
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: same thing. You know, Um with a large mouth bass

457
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 1: fishing in Michigan, and my mom's like and your mom's like,

458
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: would out in California down the southeast and most lakes.

459
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: Good job, nice, that's a good analogy. Uh Now, a

460
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: couple of Desert white tales are deaky little deer, Like,

461
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: what do you think those what do you think a

462
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: big buck? We're just coming back from hunting Desert white

463
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Tales of Mexico and we got some nice bucks. What

464
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: are those big bucks? Way? Not much over a hundred pounds.

465
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: In the fifth, the thing I like most to talk

466
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: about outside of talking about Daniel Boone, is talking about

467
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: Bergman's principle and Bergman's principles principles way of explaining why

468
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: a mambel species will tend to gargantuanism. It will tend

469
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: to be biggest in the northern extreme of its range

470
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: and smallest and the southern extreme of its range. And

471
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: it's speculated this might have to do with heat retention

472
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: and heat dissipation, where when you got these white tails

473
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: away in Alberta, they're like two fifty pounds that they

474
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: have lower surface area, so they have more ability to

475
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: hold in heat. And then and then a ninety pound

476
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: white tail has more surface area per unit of weight

477
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: and he's able to dissipate heat. One theory about why

478
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: Bergman's principle is true. There's exceptions, like mule they are

479
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: considered an exception to Bergman's principle, but generally just like

480
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: small on the south, and so these white shills are dinky,

481
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: dinky little deer, but they're like in minute your form

482
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: because a big, huge giant couz buck scores. What like,

483
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: what's the coup's equivalent of a two white tail? But

484
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: that's like a rarity, rights, that's not as rare anymore.

485
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: Two white tails happened because people can people can make them,

486
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: they grow them. Yeah. Do you know that there's a

487
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: guy I heard about recently that actually puts out medicine

488
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: for his white tails. Yeah, yep, I'm talking. They're beyond

489
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: putting out like subminster and they're medicating dewarming, de worming

490
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: medicine in the summer. And the feeder you're putting out

491
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: feed with medicine for your and growth hormones growth. Sup. Yeah,

492
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: No one's doing that for cou's deer down in Mexican.

493
00:28:55,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: These are all these It's like Pamela and Sitting fair

494
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: fauces CU's is fair Faucet Texas white Tail's Pamela Anderson.

495
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm I'm following you. I'm tracking natural artificial. Ah,

496
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: they're both hot. Let's see. Yeah, like two under an

497
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: inch free range white tail is probably like okay, but

498
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: give me a more realistic number when we're talking And

499
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna back up because when we're talking about the numbers.

500
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: There's like a way, there's there's an agreed upon way

501
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: that you measure deer antlers when you take various circumferences

502
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: and lengths and dimensions in YadA YadA, and you add

503
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: it all up and you and you take that number

504
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and say he's a blank inch thing. No, there's like

505
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: there's like lingo, right, Like if you shoot a two

506
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: mule deer, it's a big in the four elk is

507
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: a big in A hundred eight inch ram is a

508
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: big un yeah h in the Alberta in a big, huge, giant. Well,

509
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: the biggest white tailed buck ever was killed albert It

510
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: was two d plus inches, so the same way that

511
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: their body is half the size or less than half

512
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: the size. To put I can put it a little

513
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: more perspective. J killed a few years ago. Um like

514
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: a hundred thirties six inch. I believe couse dear, he's

515
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,479
Speaker 1: somewhere right in there. At the time, he was number

516
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: eight in the All Time Boone and Crockett Book, The

517
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: Big eight biggest you know bucket's ever been entered into

518
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: the Boone and Crockett record book. Yep, and Mark Kennyon

519
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: can barely get excited about a one in regular white tail.

520
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: That's right. Let me ask you this question is the

521
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: is the desert white tail the only white tail? And

522
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: this is a legit questions. Don't know that doesn't have

523
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: hunters or land owners managing the land for their to

524
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: propagate there species. Think about all white tails on our

525
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: continent Alberta, Iowa, little here, a little thinky white tail

526
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: that are that are protected. Um. But it just strikes

527
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: me is that the desert white tail is akin to

528
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: the mule the here in a way that it just

529
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: lives in wild places and nobody's planting out falfa fields

530
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: and crop rows. Agreed until this past week food plot.

531
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: Let me back up someone, I want to walk through

532
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: the whole damn story, right, and I was trying to

533
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: lay a little background by talking about Elliott coups and

534
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: levitation and everything. You're the ordering a little more background.

535
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: There's something I don't know what I'm sure of. People

536
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: write in too clarify. I don't know that Mexico has

537
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: the equivalent of going down to a gas station and

538
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: buying a hunting license. No O, In the U s.

539
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: We have publicly owned wildlife. Okay, so if you own

540
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: property and a deer lives on your property, that's not

541
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: your dear. You can control access to the dear, but

542
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: it's not your dear. Um, and and and and tags

543
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: and stuff. I'm speaking very generally because there's many exceptions

544
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: to this. Tags are generally sold by government agencies, are

545
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: they And they come from government agencies and they get

546
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: distributed in different fashions that will not get into right now.

547
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: In Mexico, if you're a landowner, you say to the

548
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: to to the government biologists in your state, Um, they

549
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: come out and do a survey on your ranch, on

550
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: your astantia. Now that we all know an amazing amount

551
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: of Spanish, they come out to your astantia to do

552
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: a survey and they'll take into considerations like what all

553
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: has been predated or not, and um, they will issue

554
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: this land ord. They'll say this landowner is allowed to

555
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: kill what would be normal, like like a number of

556
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: tags for maybe four or five. Yeah, sometimes it can

557
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: be a lot more, because yeah, I think it could

558
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: be considered to be double that. It does seem conservative,

559
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: but I think some of the rangers are big enough

560
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: for us to double that. We were on this year

561
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 1: had five and it had tens of thousands acres though,

562
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: didn't it? No? Nine No, And it was roughly what

563
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: four by ten miles? It was four by ten miles.

564
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: The gvernment comes out and they give the guy a

565
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: handful of half Alina tags and a handful of white

566
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: tail tags. Who's your tags? He can do with them

567
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: what he wishes. We haven't had a friend, um, a

568
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: very admirable figure. Admirable that's a hard word to say

569
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,239
Speaker 1: for me. Figure named Jay Scott. And Jay Scott has

570
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: a lot of relationships. Um, he and his partner, Dark Colburn,

571
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Colburn and Scott. Why is Dark in his name? First?

572
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: That's kind of guy j is? I think jas is

573
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: such a good guy. So Dark Colburn and Jay Scott

574
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: run Colburn and Scott Outfitters and they have a bunch

575
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 1: of relationships down in Sonora, Mexico. And they broker like

576
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: you're getting tags and you get accused your tag for

577
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 1: about a couple of thousand dollars. They do a lot

578
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: more than that, you know what I mean. They gotta

579
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: go and scout the you know, they gotta find the

580
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: ranch first, then go scout it. Make sure it's got

581
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: some roads can get around on, make sure it's got

582
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: a house you can sleep in. But we've also just

583
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: camped on Cou's deer ranches down there we have I

584
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: think that was of our own admission. Yeah, but some

585
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: of the drives are so long on the like you

586
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: can drive for hours on one of these places. I'm

587
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: really like offer sharwkward mountain roads. So um Jay guides

588
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Cou's DearS but also facilitates dudes who want to do

589
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: do it yourself trips on these biggest doan seas and

590
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: j will help you get hooked up with the place

591
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: where you can buy a cou'se your tag and then

592
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: buying the cus your tag usually comes to you understand

593
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: that you're gonna be sleeping somewhere on the ranch, but

594
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: you gotta go down to cross the border. You gotta go.

595
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: You're you're flirting with the border here, right, and that

596
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: turns a lot of people off. You're like taking your

597
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: vehicle down and crossing in into a land that many

598
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: people feel is intimidating myself included, Like you're going from Douglas,

599
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: Arizona into Augo, Pyato, Mexico and hunting along the US

600
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: Mexico border out in some wild ass country. Yeah, if

601
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: you watch you know, regular cable news, you think Cicario.

602
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: As you're down there and camping out and hanging out,

603
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like every night it's fifty fifty whether

604
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: or not you're gonna be bad. So don't have to

605
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: do a bad of acid. I've been down I've been

606
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: down there now five time. As I think, yeah, you know,

607
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: it's funny. And I had a shirt maybe misplaced, maybe

608
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: stolen once. I misplaced a lot of ships, so I

609
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: still haven't ruled out that has lost my shirt. Yeah.

610
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: I have never had anything remotely sketchy, but I still

611
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: feel sketched out going through the process, with intimidating process

612
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: without for this trip specifically, the first time I've done it,

613
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: without the pretense, it would have been just a normal

614
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: You would have thought nothing other other than if no

615
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: one said be scared, you would have gone through it

616
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: and what's scary? That was easier than Canada. Yeah. But

617
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: but on the other hand, I mean even for veteran

618
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: guys going down there, you were like, we gotta be here,

619
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: you can't be here after dark. It was like American

620
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: werewolf in London, like you don't mess around with I

621
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: don't want to be there after dark. But it went smooth.

622
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: But some of bitch is beautiful down there, gorgeous country.

623
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Anything that shocked me with the amount of mangy dog

624
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: is just roaming around, eating trash and shipping in the street. Yeah,

625
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: I told my my kids were in max with. My

626
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: kids are always like, where do these dogs come from.

627
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's just a thing. It used to But

628
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: it used to be like this in America when I

629
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: was a kid, everybody's dog just ran around. Then Americans

630
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: got sick of that. Two things my brother contributes to

631
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,479
Speaker 1: all of the Clinton presidency. Bill Clinton became president, kids,

632
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: all kids started having helmets on when they rowed a bike,

633
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: and the dogs vanished. Like he doesn't understand the link,

634
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: but he noticed that it all happened time dogs, free

635
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: roaming dogs went away. Kids, parents all bottom helmets to

636
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: ride their bikes. And then it was just like a

637
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: thing that everyone agreed upon at the same time. You

638
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: know what it was. It was the first Internet boom.

639
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: Everybody was suddenly communicating their fears. I'm just guessing I

640
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: have no idea. I like it. Your dog's gonna get

641
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: your kids younger? Did you grow up where you were

642
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: in a helmet. We learned right a bike was a

643
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: little killed. They would have killed you if you had

644
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: a helmet. Beat the guys. Oh they guys that wrote

645
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: motorcycles and were helmets and only half of them. Yeah,

646
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: they would have killed you if you showed up at

647
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: school the helmet on. Well that's the beauty. Mexico hasn't

648
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: had that transition. Which transition is that of the dogs

649
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: hang out and kids don't need to wear helmets. We

650
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: saw some dogs today that m M. I could still smell.

651
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Smell those dogs. Is it interesting to spend any time

652
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: on the process of going through the border. Yes, he

653
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: would you like to walk us through the process and

654
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: hold us. The New Jersey cat lady, she should go

655
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: to Agua Priata and do some work. That's the place

656
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: for her. I mean, if you're really, if you're in

657
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: New Jersey, do you want to like feel good about

658
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: yourself instead of sending that bullshit checked Peter every month

659
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: or year, Go to Agua Priata and just that's all

660
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: I need to say. Go there, you'll know what to do.

661
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: Just bring like a hose and some shampoo and to

662
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: be a start, like some jerky Uh, we got a

663
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: letter about New Jersey cat ladies, and the guy was saying,

664
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: as much as we like joke about news erdies cat ladies, says,

665
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: you're not far off. He says an animal rights activist.

666
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: If you're gonna make this sort of composite picture of

667
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: an animal rights person, it is a woman who lives

668
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: on the coast and owns pets. John Key walks through

669
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: the process of coming into Mexico slick transition. Yeah, it is.

670
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: It's a little it's a little different because it's serious.

671
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, if no one laughs doing it, no, no,

672
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, we we we drive up there in our

673
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: big white van, which is instantly just feels sketchy anyway,

674
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: just having a big white rental van, and uh, it's

675
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: all that camera equipment pointing at us. All of a sudden,

676
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: there's like these flats like you don't even have to stop.

677
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: There no humans there, it's just you're being recorded. It

678
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: feels like a dozen ways that the US government. Yeah,

679
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: that's no. I mean we haven't even gotten to the

680
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: to the Mexican party before. Well, the thing is, well, Nate,

681
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: did you see the guy did Hey he had the

682
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: little old school digital camera taking a picture of like

683
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: the little vin plate on the Mexican side. It was

684
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: really I and I was like, that's an antique digital camera.

685
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: It was pretty weird. So yeah, anyway, so you get

686
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: you get these pictures taken on the US side, and uh,

687
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: and then we just had to make sure that you

688
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: needed a form. We have one of the things you

689
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: do when you go abroad, particular firearms or other expensive equipment,

690
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: because you fill out these fifty seven customs forms and

691
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: they essentially are just it's just proof of ownership. A

692
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: lot of times guys are like, oh, it's a gun

693
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: license or registration thing. That's that's not what it is

694
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: saying I own this stuff when I left America. That's right,

695
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: I own it when I left America. So that when

696
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: you come back, you know, you can't be accused of

697
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: having purchased some presumably high ticket item or otherwise tax free,

698
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: tax free and then sneak it back across. So you

699
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: know you have this this form and y't even know

700
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: the number of the form. Yeah, there you go. So anyway,

701
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: and we kind of breezed through that. That worked pretty

702
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: pretty good, except their Customs folks, nice nice people, all

703
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: of them, but they were a little confused about the forms.

704
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: I noticed we had to educate them a little bit. Yeah,

705
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: We're like, no, you require me to have this. They yes,

706
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: they just wanted to give the blank form and not

707
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: stamp it or fill it out. Well, you know, I

708
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: noticed today there was some training going on while we

709
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: were getting back into the States, and I'm guessing we're

710
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: kind of at the beginning of hunting seasons, so maybe

711
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: if there's some you know, new people there they just

712
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: haven't had, or people who are moved down from a

713
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: different border or a different area or whatever. Sure that

714
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: was good that, yeah, but it was it was kind

715
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: of one stop for us at the U. S. Side.

716
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: Then very quickly get to the Mexican side and it

717
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: gets confusing, mostly because none of us can understand what

718
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: anybody's saying. But you know, we go in there, we

719
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: get our tourist visas to start with. We have a vehicle,

720
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: you got to register that. It's a little complex, you

721
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: know complex. You guys are talking dirt. Yeah, it's almost

722
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get predated. It almost like you're gonna

723
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: get predated there. And the thing is, honest, somebody's got

724
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: to give him props for his administrative acuity. I mean

725
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: it is like he knew this thing from like, you know,

726
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: one point to the next. There's the reason I hang

727
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: out with you. But yeah, that's all from j you know,

728
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: so when you do this hunt with j he mean

729
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: you guys saw the letter the documentary said us, he's

730
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: got lined out and what you say, It's like I

731
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: was reading this word document. They put a lot of

732
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: time into the document of how to go across the

733
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: border kind of just that documents useless because no one

734
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: else has filed on the protocolon I wanted to share

735
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: the document with the people. Have you have you read

736
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: step nineteen. That's what we're on, right because step nineteen

737
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: you say this and then I say this, not saying that.

738
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: That document makes like your user agreement for your iPhone

739
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: look like a high coup. You know, that thing was

740
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: just impenetrable for me. Oh I thought, I thought, you

741
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: know what, I thought. There's certain things in there, like

742
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Jay has certain tips in there. Yeah, Like, for instance,

743
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: there's Jays like anticipate a lot of hubbub about the

744
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: weight of your vehicle which we encounter, which we encounter,

745
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: and Javen has a trick that you go and make

746
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: if you have a trailer. That's how you had a trailer,

747
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: you made yourself. Go and get a stamping machine and

748
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: make a thing that says the weight, and go put

749
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: it in a hidden place on your trailer and then

750
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: go down there and act like you're looking around and

751
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: discover the weight stamped on the thing, because that will

752
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: help you prove the weight of the trailer. But he

753
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want you to put the like if it's a

754
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: really heavy one, he doesn't want you to put the

755
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: real heavyweight. Right, isn't there like a number thresholds of weight?

756
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: And we got caught up on how much are creepy

757
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: van weight candy in there? Free candy? Yeah, you gotta

758
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: paint the picture a little bit. I mean you're in

759
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: a place. I mean it's literally the size of this

760
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: hotel room, maybe even a little bit smaller. Right, And

761
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: there's three windows. This is this is banks of windows,

762
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: banks of windows at the Mexican border, right, three doors

763
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: in that place. You kind of go in there and

764
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: you gotta go to one window telling you want the

765
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: tourist basically go to the other window to pay for it,

766
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: and then you come back at eight teams. You're going

767
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: to get it. You're going and show your tourist visa.

768
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: The guy's yep, that's a tourist visa. He sends you

769
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: to pay a dude to photo copy. Yet then you

770
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: go to pay for it. Then you go back and

771
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: show the guy that you did all that and he couldn't.

772
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: He stamps, just stamps. Then it's time to move on

773
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: to your rig and you shooting irons. Yes, that's right.

774
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: So we visit with the police there at the end.

775
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: We were a little confused about where to go. Yeah,

776
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: cop comes out, He's like, yep, that's a gun, that's right,

777
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: and a van. Except except we we did have that

778
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: very sweet lady, that very sweet police lady. When we

779
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: went there. They thought Yanni was guappo guapo, gig wappo,

780
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: gig wapo, handsome, She's not dirt, was l stinky. But

781
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: she liked it. She did like it. Yeah, so, I

782
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: mean it is a little bit complicated, But what were

783
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: the what were you say? We're there for our it's

784
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: kind of alcads intimidating if some of them, you know,

785
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: I'll point out Yanni point this out to me, And

786
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: I hadn't really taken notice that some of our fellow

787
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: countrymen are in there acting very huffy about how annoying

788
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: it was, but then they don't speak the language. It

789
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: would be like if if you worked somewhere and a

790
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: guy comes in blabbering to you in a foreign language,

791
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: then acting annoyed, then acting annoyed with your protocol, especially

792
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: when you're carrying guns into a country where I just

793
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: want to show up down here with guns and ship

794
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: and not speak the language and just come on in

795
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: put a ment on my Just where's the concierge? I

796
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: just it's very simple. I want to take all my ship,

797
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: my weapons and go down and kill animals and bring

798
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: those animals back home out of your country. And I

799
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: don't want to have to answer all these questions in

800
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: a language it is not the one I speak. Are you?

801
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Are you saying you haven't heard of amendamento? No? What

802
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: is that? The second he caught me not knowing Spanish,

803
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: I knew it. But I found everybody in this room

804
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: is various international borders in various ways. Right. I've found

805
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: most effective ways to know is to read those thirty

806
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: eight steps that Jay has and understand that like parked

807
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: by the gray building and walk a hundred yards. That's

808
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: the ship. You generally ignore the stuff you're talking about,

809
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: like the actual pinch points where they're gonna get you.

810
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: Just know those pinch points and otherwise just be quiet,

811
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: stand in line, put your card there. When they ask

812
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: you a question that you can understand your answer and

813
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: eventually you get through it. If they ask you for money,

814
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: you give it to them, that's all. And I don't

815
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: know about that, because I've seen some times down there

816
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: crossing that board when people wanted money. And then when

817
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: a Spanish speaker steps and on your behalf, they waved

818
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: the feet. I seen that several times. But if you

819
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: don't have a Spanish speaker to step in on your behalf, yeah,

820
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: there's no you have. And and in our case where

821
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: they said, well your van ways too much, and they

822
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: said step in this other line, and I thought, well,

823
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: the heavy van line, the heavy van line. And I thought, well,

824
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna take gonna go out of the van. There's

825
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: gonna be some kind of giant, you know, machine to

826
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: weigh this thing and measure it. And they just wanted

827
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: more money. Well, is it time to introduce our fixer?

828
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Who helped us Bet Bet Beethoven. Beetho helped us a

829
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: large man. So J Scott and Dark Colburn worked with

830
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep explaining this part because I'm like, I

831
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: don't want to mess it up with Beato. Yeah, was

832
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: like a dude they hunt with. Yeah, my buddy Tyler

833
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: I was just talking to He's like, with Beato next week.

834
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: We haven't hot with him for a long time. We

835
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: still hunt with him all the time back in the day,

836
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: So he's been hunting with JA, hunting, guiding slash eros. Yeah,

837
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: like twenty Yeah, it's a long time. You had many

838
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: years ago. And yeah, he's basically like what you know

839
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: in the production business we call a fixer for J.

840
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: Like he's on the nextan side and he's just running

841
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: errands and doing business and he's I think now he's

842
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: also sort of you know, helping J find new ranches

843
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: to lease and and making friends with new ranch owners,

844
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, getting more tags lined up. But yeah, you

845
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: set them up with us to uh, you know, help

846
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: us once we got to the border, get us to

847
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: the ranch. Then you hunt it with us. Helped us

848
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 1: with cleaning skulls. But you're in me getting around when

849
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: we we're driving down. Um, you guys don't mind if

850
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: I move away from the whole. I think we got

851
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: the point with the Border Crossing. M hm um. Have

852
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: you guys read The Crossing by Corny McCarthy. Yeah, yeah,

853
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: the Border Trilogy. Read every Cormick McCarthy book you can

854
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: get your hands on, sir, because you'll find all the keys,

855
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: including I have found keys to marriage in there, which

856
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: I pointed out before. Um, there's a sign when you

857
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: get a little bit out of a goo creative that

858
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: says I didn't see it, but you guys described it

859
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: to me. So it's a American flag, go to X

860
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: through it. It's official, like actual sign, not graffiti. What's

861
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: it saying? It had a I can't remember now, but

862
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: I had a couple of no Hassle Zone leaving no

863
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: hassles in USA. So like, if you're very ambiguous, we

864
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: should have taken a picture. But to me it meant

865
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: like you're in it. Yeah, if you get someone dicks you, now,

866
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: it's your good because you're in no man's land, best

867
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: of luck. And it looks like no man's land to

868
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: be Yeah, it looks like something Cormick would would describe

869
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: in one of his books mm hmm. And we get

870
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: down to the Astonsia the ranch, big as ranch, and

871
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: it's got a how like an empty house thing about. No, No,

872
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: it's important because you get through all that bs. I'm

873
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: trying to I'm always trying to be aware of the

874
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: listener and his tolerances. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Um, you

875
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: check the guns with the Mexican police, and we also

876
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: have to go and check the guns with the chicken

877
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: um federales. And it's it's simple, it's simple. It's gonna

878
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: sound funny, but you're parking the gas station, you take

879
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: your guns across the street and literally walk into an

880
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: army base and go under a little hut, you know,

881
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: the three sided structure with a roof on it, and uh,

882
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: dude comes out and wants to check your the serial

883
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: numbers on your gun versus the serial numbers that are

884
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: on your what did you call it, like a gun permit?

885
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: Gun permit, I guess takes a look at your passport. Yeah,

886
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: sometimes it takes two hours, since it takes fifteen into

887
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: another room with all that stuff. Yeah, comes back, signed,

888
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: shakes everyone's hand. Those guys were very friendly, but they

889
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: were also spun up. We're in body armor because they

890
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: have shootouts and they had they had their their their

891
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: rifles were loaded. You know, they were ready. But what

892
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I want to mention though, is the start Prince and

893
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: when you leave that uh, that that border and you

894
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: roll into Agua Priata, and there's a moment there where

895
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm in a different place. Even though I

896
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: could reach out and touch the fence, it's like you

897
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: are just in a different land. Yeah. And immediately it's

898
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: humbling and and it's you also become you know, thankful

899
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: for like having the opportunity and being able to live

900
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: in America and for everything we have, because immediately you're

901
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: in a place where you're like, this looks rough. I

902
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: think of two things. One, when you get across that border,

903
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: I felt this like ruthlessness about what my surroundings like.

904
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: There isn't the structure is not there for your safety,

905
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: like it it's just rubble and just trash and destitute

906
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: and desperation. Just felt ruthless. It felt like something could

907
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: pop up at any minute and tear you down. It's

908
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: a yes, perception, there wasn't people running around pointing guns

909
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: at us. That's not but the perception, of course is

910
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: that this is there, this is danger, dis represents danger.

911
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: These things seems place you would have had to have

912
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: traveled a long ways to get to get to. But

913
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: in fact you could throw a rock from Walmart, yea

914
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: from the Douglas Walmart and hit that Harker rock and

915
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: land it over in the zone. And every American with

916
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: an opinion on immigration, not that we need to go there,

917
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: but every American opinion on immigration should see that. You

918
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: just need to see it. And however that helps you

919
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: formulate an opinion, It does contextual contextualize that thing. It

920
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: gives you count uh, just a perception of what it

921
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: really is. And you can see the wall, you can

922
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: and and what's funny about the wall, there's you can

923
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: see through it, which I think it's some kind of

924
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: weird irony that you can see through the wall. It's

925
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: like a series of bars and you can look through

926
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: it and see the Taco bell and the McDonald's and

927
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: the Walmart and the s Western and Douglas, or look

928
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: through the other side and see the rubble piles and

929
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: the you know, trash ridden creek beds and all the

930
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: other stuff on it. On that side. Who was It's

931
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: not Bill Buckley, but who was the think that the

932
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: conservative think tank guy that I was affiliated with, the

933
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation. Bennett, Remember Bill Bennett. Bill Bennett, he's involved

934
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: in politics. Bill Bennett always talked about the Gates test um.

935
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: When you open the gates, the people tend to come

936
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: in or go out. You know something, You like that

937
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: America always passed the Gates test always. North Korea doesn't

938
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: seem America always passed it on the northern boundary and

939
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: the northern boundaries sort of. You know this before you

940
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: go down this path. And I want to get back

941
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: to hunt COO's deer real quick, you do this. Let's

942
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: have a let's have a day every year where you

943
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: can come New America and leave and we'll count everyone here,

944
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: have the day and then recount. Oh guarantee. I thought

945
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: you were gonna tell me that somehow you're gonna come

946
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: up with a lesser number the next day. The interesting

947
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: thing about that border two is there's people who go

948
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: back and forth from those two realities every day. That's

949
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: the thing that they go. They go back and forth

950
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: the grocery shop to buy parts by car parts. Well,

951
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: there are kids who are going to school on one side,

952
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: live on the other, and so that insane reality and

953
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: which one do you you know, which one do you

954
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: hold up as the fair one or the one that's

955
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: more real? Back to back to Sam Houston and how

956
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 1: we set those ideas also just shows that even though

957
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: there's a wall there and a border there and all

958
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: this stuff that we went through, is that there's they're

959
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of two parts to something that's together. I mean,

960
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: it's sort of there's a relationship there that you can't

961
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: just pretend doesn't exist. Well, that's what we were talking,

962
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: Steve and I were talking about up how ironic, you know,

963
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: how we felt at some level getting on the u

964
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: S side. You felt some sort of calm and safety

965
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: right the country you live in. Yeah, it's like familiar.

966
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: Thank god, I'm safe now. But you're just as likely

967
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: to pull into a parking and get robbed right there

968
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 1: in Douglas. Maybe not just as true, it's just likely,

969
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: but it can't happen. I remember one about that, and

970
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: I think that Doug. I remember reading something like Douglas

971
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: is one of the like per like size that winds

972
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: up the Douglas is one of the safest cities in America.

973
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: Well everybody, every American who works there, half of them

974
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: have to work on border security. Yeah, yeah, they all,

975
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: they all, but yeah, I mean, but but that the

976
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: reality is that going out at night at two in

977
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: the morning and at a bar and Douglas is still

978
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: there's no it's not without danger. But your feeling is

979
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: that now you're in this safe zone, which really is

980
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 1: just a you know, your perception of being on one

981
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: side of the wall. You can't like check your brain

982
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 1: when you get back into the US exactly exactly, just

983
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: but you feel that you feel like to lay out

984
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: naked on the side of the road and three the

985
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Least I'm not, yeah, at least'm not accupate,

986
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: but you feel like there's some that calmness that you

987
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: get from oh, familiarity and safety and all those things.

988
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: But in reality, that's a relative turn, that's relative to

989
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: where you are in America, you know. So I don't know,

990
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: but it certainly visually, you know, you know, when you

991
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: cross that port and you feel it. There's something about

992
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: the dogs, the dogs, the main we saw one mangy

993
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: dog with his head in the trash can in the

994
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: back end, with the brown with ship and dirt and

995
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: the front end was white, probably cocaine and sadness, and

996
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: it was just chewing on a piece of fine old diaper.

997
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: Uh So, who is dear? Uh Um? We get down

998
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: to the place we're staying. Thank you, Ben. Yeah, sounds

999
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: like I feel like Corn McCarthy is here among us.

1000
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Um it down to hunt. There's an empty ranch house.

1001
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: We're able to set up shop. There's a lot of

1002
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: people coming and going. It's hard to tell what their

1003
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: function is. And that's one of things I talked about

1004
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: all the time, Like when I'm when I'm in America

1005
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: and I see people, I'm like, oh, that's like the

1006
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: drunk uncle figure, right. Or I see someone walking down

1007
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: the road, there's like a look and I look at

1008
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: me like that seems like a guy that broke down.

1009
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: That seems like a guy who had so many d

1010
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: U I s he can't drive anymore. That seems like

1011
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: a guy who's walking his dog. You know what I mean?

1012
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: You just know right when you're really familiar, but just

1013
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: a couple of miles across the boards, like you see

1014
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: people are like, I can't, for the life of me

1015
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: imagine what this person is doing walking down the road

1016
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: and the place you're staying as peacocks, chickens, turkeys that

1017
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: are very clearly across between the Goulds turkey, the Ghoul's

1018
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: wild turkey, and domestic strains, and there are many ghouls

1019
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: turkeys out in this place. And we started hunting first Dame.

1020
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: Right off of that, we went on glass and that

1021
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: night took a quick little tour of the ranch and

1022
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: our tour was hindered by a razor that didn't work,

1023
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: So we're gonna try to drive the whole board of

1024
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: the ranch. We kind of did a half of the

1025
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: north border and I kind of called it quits and

1026
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: went back. So my GPS track that I had on

1027
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: when the when it's a big rectangular ranch, my GPS

1028
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: track after a tour of the ranch described a very

1029
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: small triangle was our tour. It was like an incomplete tour.

1030
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: And that night we went and perched up on some

1031
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: glass and knobs and started seeing a lot of wo's

1032
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: near Yeah. It's so it's this weird whirld when that happens,

1033
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: because you wake up and you go through this sort

1034
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: of like bureaucratic nightmare, and then you drive through a

1035
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: town that makes you just feel like deeply uneasy, influenced

1036
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: by what you hear. You're about the border wars, right,

1037
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: just like all these apprehensions you have, not being welcome,

1038
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: feeling there. Then all of a sudden, you're out in

1039
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: kind of a wilderness, what with fifty miles south thirty

1040
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: miles south, So we're there. I was thinking about that actually,

1041
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: like on that ranch because it hasn't been hunted you

1042
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: know commonly, but they hunt for the pop like it

1043
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: hasn't been hunted by like people who are like really hunting.

1044
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: But the Carols, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll hunt from

1045
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: for meat. But on that same note, though, like that

1046
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: close to the border, that not being a national park

1047
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: or uh you know, like a sanctuary of sorts, we

1048
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: were probably I mean, like the the area that we

1049
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: walked in the land we saw, we were very we

1050
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: weren't there. There hasn't been many people who have walked

1051
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: around on that land. It's like, well it's like wilderness, yeah,

1052
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: but you know what it passes. It passed kind of

1053
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,919
Speaker 1: two tests or two things that sort of always strike

1054
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: me when I'm in a wilder place. One is just

1055
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: a blazingly brilliant night sky. Oh, I mean no light pollution,

1056
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: just the stars just stunning up above and then um

1057
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: a little less so, I mean the stars are really

1058
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: kind of the highlight. But that that's that quiet, that

1059
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: sense of silence, you get it. There's not even a

1060
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: lot of aircraft noise, no dead quiet. I don't think

1061
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: I saw an airplane all week. If you're just the blimp, yeah,

1062
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: the blimp every day. You know. My brother was recently

1063
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: telling me about you talk about the brilliance of the

1064
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: night sky, because he's telling me there's so many planets right,

1065
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: like like an estimate of plants that we can kind

1066
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: of like figure out a it's a number like one,

1067
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: but with twenty for zeros, it's a lot. Yeah, he

1068
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: says that when you understand what that number means. He said,

1069
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: somewhere there is an eight foot tall furry thing that

1070
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: smuggles ship into spacecraft in the spaceship statistically. Yeah, He's like,

1071
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm open to any and all ideas. If there are

1072
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: that many planets a one with zeros on the end

1073
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: of it, that many possible somewhere a Wookie ship called

1074
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: them well to like even today when you were calling

1075
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: in that coy out and I mentioned, Uh, not night necessarily,

1076
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: but the wind reminded me of like old Western Yeah,

1077
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: you just like back in time. There's a couple of differences,

1078
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: like it's like a wilderness but very heavily degraded by cattle. Yeah,

1079
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: the riparian zones. It's just it's like the gloves are

1080
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: off on cattle. Yeah, there's no kind of like effort

1081
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: to fence to to like heavily degraded riperian zones. And

1082
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: there's a limited water. It's dry, dry country, so anything

1083
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: that might have water is like hammered by cattle. And

1084
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: every square inch of the place is cattle country. It's

1085
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: like it's shiploads of exposed rock like outcrops and mountains,

1086
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: lots of cactus and lots of you know, ankle to

1087
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: knee high grass, but all of it grazed. And on

1088
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: top of that, though, I mean, I would guess maybe

1089
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: honest knows better that that area we were in we

1090
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: had a river going through there, so in theory where

1091
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: we were was probably a more water rich. It was

1092
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: the most water I've seen anywhere down there. Yeah, and

1093
01:03:54,400 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: it's still natural to actually see flowing water like that

1094
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: was the most water I've seen anywhere great heron down there. Yeah,

1095
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: saw wood ducks, redheads, we saw, I saw tree, saw

1096
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: a mountain lion to bobcats, hundreds of deer. Not a

1097
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: lot of quail, though I thought there'd be more. Not

1098
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: one coil jack, saw morning doves, jack rabbits, one cotton

1099
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: tail cottontail numbers done, two gray squirrels. How many times

1100
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: are you in a glassing tail on a high ridge

1101
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:33,959
Speaker 1: or something? You look across and you could see where

1102
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: one pasture was grazed fence and then there's there's tall

1103
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: yellow grasses, lots of la but the as far as

1104
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: the category is very low stocking ratios, like like not

1105
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: tons of cattle, just like little scattering them because the

1106
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: country is so dry, but good looking cattle for that

1107
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 1: region from Yeah, yeah, a way to think of this country.

1108
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how to describe it. Because it's

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01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: rough on it's rough hiking, because it's it's loose. There's

1110
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot of loose rocks. It's some of the worst

1111
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: hiking I've ever experienced. Imagine a screen field, and I

1112
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: don't know if all of our listeners know what a

1113
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: screw field is, but it's basically where like on the

1114
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: side of the mountain. You just have a bunch of

1115
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 1: like rubble. It's kind of just it's it's basically a

1116
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: roading off the side of the mountain. But imagine that

1117
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: screen field has just enough dirt in there to produce grass.

1118
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: That's what I feel like. A lot of this is

1119
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: like it's rocky, it's loose. It's like kind of always

1120
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: wanting to slip off in the road, but there's enough

1121
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: dirt in there that there's a grass. You know what

1122
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: I think about it, like, there are very few landscapes

1123
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: on Earth that I'm familiar with where it's way better

1124
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: to walk uphill than downhill. It is much I'm like,

1125
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: normally you're like, sweet, we get to go downhill. Now

1126
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: I am like, damn it, now we gotta go downhill

1127
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: because going downhill on loose lava rock, marble rock. Yeah,

1128
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: going uphill is just nice. It's relaxing. Going downhill, it's

1129
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of like almost like roller coaster mode. Very difficult

1130
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: to be stealthy. There happens to be every tree and

1131
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 1: bush with a thorn. Everything's arm everything's armed, everything wants

1132
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: to prick. The tall stuff is oktillo, which is a

1133
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: thorn looks like a bunch of bull whips all bound

1134
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: together with thorns on them. Then you got mesquite oak

1135
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: juniper in the bottoms. You have some big it's juniper

1136
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: or not cedar. It's a I think I ain't seen

1137
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: juniper berries. I was looking for that once we kind

1138
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: of had this covers. There are many kinds of juniper.

1139
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: I believe it's a juniper, and I think a lot

1140
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: of people call cedar juniper. I would like to look

1141
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: into it, though, I'm sure someone right now is already

1142
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: writing an email and I welcome, and I will read

1143
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: that something bitch when we get it. Yeah, what else

1144
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: is there? There's what we call century plants, century plants

1145
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: yah yaka, lots of yack, lots of cactus, Troy cactus, cactus.

1146
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 1: So the first full day hunting happens, and I strike

1147
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: out out onto the land with Ben O'Brien and dirt,

1148
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 1: and we climb up on a knob and right away

1149
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,959
Speaker 1: just start seeing deer, like a surprising number of deer,

1150
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: more than I thought. You know, in in my I've

1151
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: watched you hunt cus deer. I've watched some other folks

1152
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: on cus deer and talked to a lot of folks

1153
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: about it. It seemed to me like the rule of thumb,

1154
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 1: as you see few deer and there aren't many big

1155
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: mm hmm. And we pretty much scratched those two off

1156
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: the list in the first two hours. I threw up

1157
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: my knockers, and it was just like, dear, dear, do

1158
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: do do do dear? Yeah exactly, It's like yeah, but

1159
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 1: to be up. It's such glass dorble country because it's

1160
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: very open and yellow grass. And you get up on

1161
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: a knob and you put down a little pad to

1162
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: sit on, and I got a tripod. I put my

1163
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: razors down the tripod and it's just like, like Yanni says,

1164
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: it almost like it makes a noise as you glash,

1165
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: like blazer, but just like just picking off deer. But

1166
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: we're on this giant glass and tip. I don't know

1167
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: how what the elevation gain was, but it's it's generally

1168
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: there was no probably exactly. I mean, how it was

1169
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: that knob from from from valley to tit how high

1170
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 1: that first knob? Yeah? No, the no, what the knob

1171
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: that I named the dunk Buck location spot. Yeah, I'd

1172
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: say off the valley floor and you're talking about a

1173
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: river valley with pretty prominent riverbed and then and it's

1174
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 1: all about five thousand feet above sea level. Yeah, you're

1175
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: starting the high and you can see how many miles?

1176
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: Could we see many? Well? I could see all the

1177
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: way the US borders because you can see the blimps

1178
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: that you can see the surveillance blimps through in the US.

1179
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 1: If it wasn't for the cuts and the mountains and

1180
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: the different just variations in the terrain, you can see everything.

1181
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: But we could see corrugated lands like implies some kind

1182
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: of order. It's like it's it's like the literal version

1183
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: of a topographic map. It just looks. It's just got

1184
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: lines and divides and just things you can't see into

1185
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: and shadowy ridges and just places that little hellhole, little

1186
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: he choppy, chopping choppy could be good, but you're you're

1187
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: not getting a lot of deeply incised You're not getting

1188
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: a lot of places in a straight line. And when

1189
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: you look at a gully, it's hard to imagine what

1190
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: way the water to flow m hm, because it's so confusing. Oh,

1191
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: you look at a gully from a hundred yards away

1192
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: and you have no idea like the depth or the

1193
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 1: severe the canyon like nest that it might have, like

1194
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: you just have no idea. You might go across that

1195
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: gully in a hop, skip and a jump, or you

1196
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: might walk up to it and go. It does not

1197
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: look it does not look like country where you would

1198
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: get cliffed out. But there's but because the deer will

1199
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: walk into what you think is a little dinky depression,

1200
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: never to be seen again. Or a bush on a

1201
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: on a wide open hillside walks into that and you

1202
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: look over like, hey, there's a deer, and you look

1203
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: back and it's gone forever, never to be seen the ghost.

1204
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: That was very communication with the um know I thought

1205
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: was chewy though actually portal that's what I was saying.

1206
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: I was saying, they all have trapped doors. They just

1207
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: pull a rope and then there and there and sorry, John,

1208
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: I cut you off. So I was just gonna say

1209
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: that was the thing that kind of surprised me, and

1210
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: it was a lot of funny. It's obviously an optics

1211
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: intensive way of hunting. You know, you've really got to

1212
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: it is glad. It is glad. But the landscape down

1213
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: there there was so much variety. I mean, it's not

1214
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,960
Speaker 1: a monotonous landscape. At all. I mean, between the different

1215
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: types of rocks and grasses and cuts and elevations. It's just,

1216
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was never bored looking at this stuff.

1217
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: And there's a gradual shift as you had as you

1218
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: head west, there's a gradual shift for more of a

1219
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: gentler open grassland, the kind of environment in in the

1220
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: nine miles, to a much more rugged, almost semi mountaine

1221
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of country. Um, we struck out upon the landscape,

1222
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: starts spotting off all kinds of deer, and then all

1223
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, pop, here's a little buck, a little

1224
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: dinker buck like a Michigan sex and cuz dear, like

1225
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,600
Speaker 1: real serious cuzars guy, this is like a this is

1226
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: a little bit of digression, real serious cous gear cuz

1227
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: dear Guys like Jay Scott don't count the brow time,

1228
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: and they only count what a has on one side.

1229
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 1: I once posed to another serious cus gear cu'se dear guy,

1230
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: Cody Nelson from Outdoorsmands. Does the spike have zero antlers?

1231
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 1: And he said no, a spike is a spike. I said,

1232
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: so it is a fork a spike since you don't

1233
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: count the first one, he said, a fork is a fork.

1234
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 1: A spike is a spike, A three is a two.

1235
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: Isn't that how they do elevators in England? Do they

1236
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,040
Speaker 1: like the first floor is zero or something? Oh, i'd

1237
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: be all messed up. I don't know, like sweep around

1238
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: the first floor. But we're not. Uh, we just call

1239
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: them all We prefaced it by saying Michigan and then

1240
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: say the number because it's just like you just we're

1241
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: adding them all up. If it winds up being an

1242
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,639
Speaker 1: uneven number, like a five by four, would just say

1243
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: in Michigan nine, What would an Arizona cou'sier guy call it?

1244
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: Four by five? Three by four? Oh that is ridiculous, man.

1245
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: You just take what it actually is and your minus

1246
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: one on each side. There you go. The formulas don't count.

1247
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: They don't. Then they do the same thing on mule here. Yeah,

1248
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: because you don't count brow times on mule deer. These

1249
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: are muled. There's are white tails. You count brow times

1250
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 1: on a white tail. I hear, I hear a few

1251
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: keyboards right now. You know why you don't count them

1252
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: on mulder because mulder a lot of most mulder don't

1253
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: have them. Then when they do their dinkers, a white

1254
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: tail the longest time on that some bitch's head might

1255
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: be its brow time speaking along brow times the donk

1256
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 1: the donk Buck. Good one man, Yeah, I'm learning so

1257
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: gold Star, we're up. We move the little dinker Buck.

1258
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: We're looking at the Michigan Sex is agitated about something

1259
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: below him that's out of our view. He's stomping, he's

1260
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: puffing up, and we've both think that he's got a

1261
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 1: Kyo or a Bobcat down below him, because he's acting

1262
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: like how they act. His tail is up at some level. Two,

1263
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: we've actually seen coosier bucks chase Bobcats, like literally go

1264
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: chase after and run after Bobcats. And he looks like

1265
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: he's dealing with a problem like that. But after a

1266
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: while he realized his posturing and stuff, and also a

1267
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 1: little pure a pair of dough he doe ears all

1268
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden polkes up, and we realized he's worked

1269
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:30,879
Speaker 1: up about other deer. And it's not like he's running

1270
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 1: in there to chase other dear away, but he's kind

1271
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: of like on the he's like on the out he's like, Oh,

1272
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: I want to get in there so bad, but I

1273
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: can't get in there. Is what it looks like, and

1274
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: we get to thinking that there's a big stomper out

1275
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: of sight. Wasn't that kind of our primary motivation? Well? Yeah,

1276
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 1: and he and he his posture looked like a buck.

1277
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: I have a circle in another buck. He came around

1278
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: that bush. Remember he came around on the on the

1279
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: top side of this ridge, and he came around like

1280
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: he was posturing to fight another buck. And we thought, well,

1281
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: for sure, he's there's a big there's a big one

1282
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: bigger than him that he's not. He's not going straight after,

1283
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: so why not go take a look. So we move

1284
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: around to the chief commander of all glass and knobs

1285
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: and get up on there, hoping that it's gonna allow

1286
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: us to peer down into this box little zone. But

1287
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: you couldn't see into his zone. But we do get

1288
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: to look and across the valley and dirt and just

1289
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: deer all over the place and dirt. Myth all of

1290
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 1: a sudden, just randomly happens to just decided to point

1291
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: his binoculars over in a direction and low and behold

1292
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: game spooking sunglasses, his blue mirrored sunglasses that are designed

1293
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: to scare away animal. Here's a pro tip if you

1294
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: if you go to the gas station, and they have

1295
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: these sunglasses with blue mirrored that may reflect in the

1296
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: sun to look like to fucking disco balls hanging off

1297
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,759
Speaker 1: a tree. Don't buy those, but girls are like legit

1298
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: coasts right. Oh no, those are five dollars to patient,

1299
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: so they were gas I gotta clear fy. Two things

1300
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: though on at this home when I had those half

1301
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: off coast of things. You didn't buy new coasts because

1302
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: there's still a hundo or something crazy have You gotta

1303
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:25,880
Speaker 1: watch your eyes. You have those gas station ones, but

1304
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: your brand new eyes that you just got all fixed up. No,

1305
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right at the gas Yeah, it looked

1306
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 1: like high quality, right, and they feel I mean the

1307
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: polarized I can see. Yeah, they surely are. But like

1308
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: a rainbow, it's like electric blue rainbow smoke signals to

1309
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 1: the other group. Anyway, he takes those off and classes.

1310
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: But I gotta say there's two things right here. I

1311
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: gotta interject. One, Ben was telling a story I think

1312
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: that brought out the buck. Was a story of such interest.

1313
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: Animals all gather the box like ship. And then two

1314
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't know what I saw, but I did,

1315
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: And you'll back me on this as like, wait, Ben,

1316
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: hold on one second. I want to hear more of this.

1317
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: But I think I wasn't sure, but there's something special, Yeah,

1318
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 1: there is something special about He's like I think I

1319
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: spotted a giant. Yeah, and I don't know anything about

1320
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: who's dear. And I pull up the spotter and get

1321
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: on this thing pretty quick, and I was like, well,

1322
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you I have no education in this

1323
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: in this opinion, but we should shoot that, chase that,

1324
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: and I put it the one up. Yeah, when your glass,

1325
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:44,759
Speaker 1: what you do is your glasses through knockers on a

1326
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 1: proferatly on a tripod. Dirt uses a walking stick, but

1327
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: you put the knockers on a tripod. I was running

1328
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: tens ten ten x, meaning it's ten times the magnification

1329
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: of your regular naked eye. And then what you do

1330
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: is you see you dear, and you just kind of

1331
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a something about their shape, their

1332
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: relative size to other deer that might be nearby, the

1333
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 1: heaviness of the neck, the way they walk, just everything.

1334
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: There's just something like you look at like that's a buck.

1335
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: All the times you'll also see antler, the sway in

1336
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: their bellies just like you just you look at enough

1337
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: of me just annoy like there's a box, at which

1338
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 1: point I'll grab out my spotting scope. So you're always

1339
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: going back and forth like knocker spotter, knocker spotter. That

1340
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: being said, at some distances i'd say roughly approximately yards

1341
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: and farther, when you just have the tens or even

1342
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: twelves on them, you're like, man, the body suggests the buck,

1343
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: but I just don't see antlers. And then when you

1344
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 1: put the spot and scope on them, you're like, not

1345
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: only is it a buck, but man, like a nice box,

1346
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 1: Like they're just not big critters. Yeah. The spotter I

1347
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: was using is uh, it's like like like a big

1348
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's a big, heavy, like an eighty five

1349
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: millimeter objective lens. This is like a sizeable thing. Um,

1350
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: throw that up and I look at this like right away.

1351
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: Because we talked about box, like early on you're talking

1352
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: about buck being a dinker, bucker, shooter buck. It's just

1353
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: sort of like no one really knows at which point

1354
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:22,160
Speaker 1: there was a point at which they're just like heavy

1355
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 1: dark antlerd right, Mark Ken, you just say like mature bucks. Yeah,

1356
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: we're not at the type of cous deer hunters yet

1357
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: where we could just immediately be like, oh yeah, one

1358
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: tent yes or one tent no. You know, you just

1359
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: kind of like yes or no. Because but I think

1360
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: that we I think that we call them that when

1361
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: they have that like mature look that they're dark, heavy

1362
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: antlered bucks with a whole bunch of times on them.

1363
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: They're we're generally saying like, oh, that looks like a

1364
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: shooter buck. It's probably about one plus yes, even though

1365
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: we don't know that. You don't know the number. But

1366
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're gonna apply a narth like

1367
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: there's a point at which to bark all of a sudden.

1368
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: You look, You're like, that's something bitch is the man? Well,

1369
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: it's a big buck. There's a few things right, he's

1370
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,799
Speaker 1: maybe wider than his ears. He's got long brow tigns.

1371
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: Maybe his threes are his G three's are as long

1372
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: as his G two's. You know, there's like little and J.

1373
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, J told us that if it's if it's

1374
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: he's got an eight point frame and he's got an

1375
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: extra kicker too, or he's got some junk on on

1376
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 1: that's a shooter you know, if he's more than an

1377
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: eight point that a lot of times it's so there's

1378
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: just little things you say, Oh, but wide enough, he's

1379
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: wide enough. There's a type of coups guy, though, there's

1380
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: a type of cous guy who probably doesn't happen fast.

1381
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: He sees the buck and he's got to do like

1382
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: a long analysis for us. It's like in a second, right,

1383
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: like shooter buck, because you don't know, because it's just

1384
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: something about it. You just know it's worth going after.

1385
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: But I looked down at the buck and I'm like,

1386
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: let's go. But Ben's I think, just you know, let's

1387
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: not both goes. Someone's gonna stick around. And I was

1388
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: like the band. I was being all gracious, you know,

1389
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,240
Speaker 1: you go get him banned, and Ben's being all gracious,

1390
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: be like, oh no, I would never. And you know, Steve,

1391
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 1: I would never. So he sliced a piece of summer

1392
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 1: sauceage and and marked one side of the summer sausage

1393
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: and flipped it. And I want to flip but can

1394
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: you go more into summer sausage quotations? Actually, oh, dunk

1395
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: So because we're calling it the dunk buck. Gotta have

1396
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:27,480
Speaker 1: a dunk buck because my brother every year for Christmas

1397
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:32,879
Speaker 1: gives out um, sometimes two things, sometimes three things. Always

1398
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:34,640
Speaker 1: he gives you a bag of banana chips that he

1399
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: made in his food the hide rat. And he always

1400
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 1: gives you a summer sausage that he made from his

1401
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: deer out and he calls it dunk or we've just

1402
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 1: come to call summer sausage dunk Um. I'll leave you

1403
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: to figure out why one might call summer sausage dunk.

1404
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: So no casing. Some years, that's thing I should point

1405
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: out how he makes it. That it's a fermented sausage.

1406
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 1: He fermented in his fridge for a while, and when

1407
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: you do it again, when he ferment, it gets doughey.

1408
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 1: So he rolls out his donk and smokes it uncased.

1409
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: So it's an uncased donk. It's nice, it is good.

1410
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: It's and in some years you'll give you moose droppings

1411
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: that you can burn his incense, because he likes the

1412
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: willowy smell of him. Um. This year it was just

1413
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: banana chips and donk, And so I took a piece

1414
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: of said donk and gouged one side, and you had

1415
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 1: to call gouged or smooth, and I won the toss

1416
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: and I got to go after the bark, and we

1417
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: made a little signal system. Ben had a green dry

1418
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,640
Speaker 1: bag and he had a red dry bag, and I

1419
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: had a white game bag in a white game bag,

1420
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: and we devised the system by which we would very

1421
01:22:52,680 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: cleverly say green means go, Red means stop. Interesting and

1422
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: hung it up in a mesquite tree so that while

1423
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: doing my long stock, I could look and if I

1424
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: glassed back to the donk bunk location point, I have

1425
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: now alone, I'm by myself and saw green. Ben was

1426
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: telling me the buck hasn't budged. Everything's cool. If I

1427
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: glassed up and saw red, I would then look at Ben,

1428
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,680
Speaker 1: wave a game bag at Ben. Ben would realize that

1429
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him through my spotting scope of bronoculars,

1430
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: and Ben would then gesture with another system that would

1431
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: tell me what direction the buck went or forget about it,

1432
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 1: and I would only gestured the bucks movements. Not what

1433
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: you want. I wanted you to do, very clear system,

1434
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: clear system. And it's challenging because I was up there

1435
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: trying to spot you guys with the binoculars while also

1436
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: making sure that buck didn't sneak down because that buck moves.

1437
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: You never ever quit hearing about it. Because it happened

1438
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: to dirt on another cuise deer hunt to keep an

1439
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: eye on the buck. Yeah, and it went behind a tree,

1440
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 1: and it's like dirt just watched the tree and we

1441
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: came back there, never moved. It's still back nervous. That

1442
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: deer is still there today. It slipped out because that

1443
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: slipped away because in that in that but that was

1444
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: before he had his eyes fixed. Look at him now,

1445
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: he's just like he said, I don't know, I see

1446
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: nothing but light and dark. I didn't hear nothing now

1447
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: and that the important part of that plane is that

1448
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I needed to know where you were at all times.

1449
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: So you're talking, You're walking across you know, a sun

1450
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 1: kiss ridge, behind trees, behind this found a drop antler

1451
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: was standing on nice one. And so every time I'm

1452
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: looking at you, I'm thinking about how I'm gonna screw

1453
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: that bucks walking out of that bush and into the

1454
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 1: next bush, and I'm screw And every time I'm looking

1455
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: at the bush, I'm thinking, you're probably gonna change your

1456
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: plan and go down to the river bed. I'll never

1457
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 1: find you again. So I have this very stressful situation

1458
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 1: going on up on the up on the old tip.

1459
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: We go down the hill, across the creek, get on

1460
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: a little finger ridge, take the fingeradge up and start

1461
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: getting in the zone. I'm looking at this green green green,

1462
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,560
Speaker 1: not green grass. The grass is dead as hell, but

1463
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the green bag the green means gold thing.

1464
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: And also we jump up a little bucket the dope,

1465
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: and they run like they're gonna run through. And when

1466
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: you when you spook deer, if you're stalking a deer

1467
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: and you spook other deer that run through the deer,

1468
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: what will often happen is the deer we'll get carried

1469
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 1: off with the other deer like if deer like, if

1470
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: these guys are that upset about something, I'm leaving too.

1471
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: And we spooked the bucket the bucket, don't they run

1472
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: off over the hill And I'm like, damn, they're here,

1473
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: goes that? But I wait and look, and the green

1474
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 1: means go was still green. And Ben had watched it

1475
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 1: all play out. Oh and those deer ran from wherever

1476
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: you spooked him, which you know it was probably five

1477
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 1: yards away from that that bucket behind that bush, dip

1478
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,680
Speaker 1: down over the ridge. He was on ran right towards him,

1479
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: pulled up at about ten yards, cut back up the hill,

1480
01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 1: and we're gone. He never budged, He never budged, And

1481
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,639
Speaker 1: at this point I'm thinking I pulled a dirt. At

1482
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: some point, buck snuck out, He slicked out of the

1483
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: because if he was in there, he would have been gone.

1484
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 1: Because of course, you know, a buck like that's gonna

1485
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 1: see too dear freaking out, and he's gonna do do

1486
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: something similar. He's gonna stand up and look around and

1487
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: and move places and get to a safe spot or whatever.

1488
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: This tear just stayed. And there's a magical thing that

1489
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 1: happens when you're when you're going after something you spotted

1490
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: far away in spots star hunting, where you're like you

1491
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: out of far away to have to sneak up on

1492
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: it where you have like an understanding of the landscape

1493
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 1: that is far from right. It's like you can understand

1494
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: it from a perspective and it's sort of and it

1495
01:27:11,320 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: makes sense to you spatially, but when you get over there,

1496
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's it's a it's this alternate reality,

1497
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: like this is not how you envisioned it, but this

1498
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: is one of those cases when that did not happen.

1499
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 1: I got there, I was like, because there's some orange,

1500
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: just like these orange round patches of a different kind

1501
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 1: of vegetation, of different grass. Everything lined up, and once

1502
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: I saw the green and I started getting the zone,

1503
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:39,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, this all makes like like magically, somehow this

1504
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: is all understandable. Still, like here's that thing I remember.

1505
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 1: Remy warrant will take cell phone pictures before heading off

1506
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: on a stock He takes cell phone pictures through the

1507
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: spot and scope or whatever of the area. However he

1508
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 1: does it depending on how far away is. He takes

1509
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: cell phone pictures of where he's headed. So later when

1510
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: he gets also you and and you're like, damn it, I

1511
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: cannot it. This doesn't make This is not how I

1512
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: pictured it being over here. He'll refer to his cell

1513
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: phone pictures and he'd be like, oh, it was a

1514
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: dead snag that I didn't think to log. But I'm

1515
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: always trying to get in my head like okay, there's

1516
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: a century plant, those are this, as that, there's a

1517
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: rock shape like this, just as little reminders, but it

1518
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: still doesn't work. But this time it did. I get

1519
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: over I'm like, oh, this is like everything's exactly like

1520
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: how I pictured it. And there's the bush that that

1521
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: buck is hiding under, and Ben's telling me green and

1522
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: so it's like somehow I'd made it all the way

1523
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: over there and was perched up two yards above him

1524
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: with a green bag and knowing the bush but not

1525
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,679
Speaker 1: seeing he was still buried. Right, It's been an hour

1526
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 1: at this point since we've seen the deer, and it's

1527
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 1: almost like a non story. I started creeping over, creeping over,

1528
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 1: creeping over, and I had my little shooting fork on

1529
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: my tripod and creeping eepen more and more of the

1530
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: bushes coming into view, and eventually and I knew would

1531
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 1: probably have because it was like I was in very

1532
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: tight Like the outdoorsman's boys they say, when you get

1533
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: within three yards of a coused DearS zone, he's going

1534
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: to know you're there, he's gonna bust you. And I

1535
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: was well within his in his zone, and um or

1536
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: like you gotta be extra cars or it's like it's

1537
01:29:23,160 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: like when you get within that three yards zone, it's

1538
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 1: time to really buckle down and pay attention to what

1539
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: you're doing. And pretty soon he like stood up because

1540
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: he sent something wasn't right and it was just that

1541
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: was it? Big huge giant buck. I gotta say too,

1542
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: like a real honest, big huge giant buck. Gorgeous, the donk,

1543
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 1: the donk buck, the dunk buck. On that note, like

1544
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 1: you're saying that it worked out, I'll put a picture

1545
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: that up in the show notes if you want to

1546
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 1: look at the big, huge giant bar. The difficulty of

1547
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: seeing an area through optics and then trying to pick

1548
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: it out when you get there. I feel like, and

1549
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:06,759
Speaker 1: this is more a question you guys, actually that ranch

1550
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: because maybe it's hunting the couse deer. Something in the

1551
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 1: mix makes it even more difficult to judge distance in

1552
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: like space where we just were the last week than

1553
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: other areas, because stuff that's close it's actually farther away

1554
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 1: than you think it is. Stuff that's far away is

1555
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: much closer than you think it is. Yeah. Yeah, because

1556
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: there's a division that happens that around six or seven

1557
01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards where ain't do you see? Like, how is

1558
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 1: that some bitch four yards away? It seems like he's

1559
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: two hund yards away. But a knob a rock a

1560
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 1: mile away, You're like, that must be a mile away.

1561
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: In fact, it's a half mile away. See, it's like

1562
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: a distancy kind of weirdness. Yeah, so just like share

1563
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: any details about your buck. That's unexplainable. But that happened

1564
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 1: multiple times this week at that knob you shot your

1565
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: buck from. John, I was like, that's a couple hundred yards,

1566
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: no three, ye looks close. And then we'd be Ben

1567
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: and I were looking at a bug and we're like,

1568
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: it's so far away. We range it yards. We could

1569
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: never get there in a full day. Let's take us hours.

1570
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: I hikes. I don't know. I don't I can't begin

1571
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 1: to understand it, like why that happens. Barry Lopez talks

1572
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: about it in the Arctic and Arctic dreams about how

1573
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: distances like he talks about people. Um, he talks about

1574
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 1: a hunter stalking a grizzly that turns out to be

1575
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:38,439
Speaker 1: a mormot. I always talked about like prairie this. You know,

1576
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 1: we weren't on a prairie, but prairie depth perception. I've

1577
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:45,599
Speaker 1: never had it. He's stalking up an antalopen wyoming, crawling

1578
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 1: across the prairie and look up, like, y'all, he's two

1579
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards and he's and he's a hundred yards. I

1580
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: think he's eight hundred. I don't. I don't know size reference. Yeah,

1581
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: the artic dreams. He also talks about a guy who

1582
01:31:56,439 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: thought he's looking at a walrist once a black and

1583
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: two white tossed. What he's actually looking at is a

1584
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: headland of rock with two glaciers coming down the side

1585
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: of coming down. The depth perception for me, for me

1586
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: on this hunt, you know, a lot of it. It

1587
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: was just the foreignness of the landscape. You know, where

1588
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I live. I'm not looking at century plants, I'm not

1589
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: looking at okatillos all the time. I'm not looking at

1590
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 1: these things. And so my ability to kind of get

1591
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,639
Speaker 1: a feel for the distance is pretty bad. And pluses

1592
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 1: a shooting guy, a gun guy, I mean most people's

1593
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm lost at sea without a range

1594
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 1: finder in terms of precise shooting, and I think most

1595
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 1: people vastly overestimate their ability to correctly identify a yardage. Oh,

1596
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean unaided, Yeah, unaided, you know, And this was

1597
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 1: this was certainly a case. I mean I was full

1598
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: time and time again with the distances on the side. Yeah,

1599
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,599
Speaker 1: how many times was there? It was there a pinnacle

1600
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 1: or a pyramid? Ridge with ten different fingers that were

1601
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: going in different directions, and some of them were fully shaded,

1602
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 1: some of them were half shaded them, so they made

1603
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 1: them look deeper than they might have been. And you thought, oh,

1604
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: that's that's a thousand yards and turns out toothousand. And

1605
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 1: the early thing is everyone here has spent their whole

1606
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 1: life looking at normal white tails. Yeah so you got

1607
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: that right fixed in your head. But these things are

1608
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 1: half the size. Yeah yeah, yeah, and way to put

1609
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: that perspective. We're looking at John's head when you brought

1610
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,760
Speaker 1: your head out in the back of the ranger. There.

1611
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean that full grown, mature buck's head. If you

1612
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: to take off his antlers, it looks like a fawn.

1613
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:49,160
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Speaker 1: It's that is there a weird? I gonna get deep

1650
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: again on you, but go for it. We can we

1651
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: can absorb it. That two coronas uh hopped Corona extra

1652
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 1: came from Mexico. Um, there's just a weird you're talking

1653
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: about when I shot my buck, just a weird beauty.

1654
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: To those animals like they're coloring is such a difference.

1655
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:25,760
Speaker 1: There's sleek, sleek, the gray ghost, the gray ghost. But

1656
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 1: they didn't have their gray winter coats yet, not a

1657
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,759
Speaker 1: lot of them, because the gray ghost becomes very gray soon.

1658
01:36:32,520 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: They were more like a brown ghost, still very apparition like,

1659
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 1: but they weren't the gray I saw both. I definitely

1660
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: had I was glass in doze sometimes where you could

1661
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: tell one was definitely a browner shade of deer and

1662
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: one was a gray because the dog bucks still had

1663
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: a red tail. Yeah he didn't have his great coat.

1664
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah he wasn't the gray ghost. A transition almost seemed

1665
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 1: to happen just in that seven days as far as

1666
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 1: the rut started. Yeah, Al Giganta had it like a

1667
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 1: red tail too, same same had a red tail. Yeh Um.

1668
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 1: John and I were hunting together all week, and I

1669
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: think on the third day, is the third or fourth day,

1670
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: we struck off. The ranch is divided by the highway,

1671
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,720
Speaker 1: and so we struck off to the east side of

1672
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 1: the highway and uh diferent like four miles in a

1673
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: pie shape. Yeah. I wish you guys would have gotten

1674
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: to see it, because it was definitely interesting to see

1675
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:32,799
Speaker 1: different topography, like all long ridges running the whole length

1676
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: of that four miles, and much less vegetation. Still a

1677
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 1: lot of grass, but not the as many oak tillos, oaks, cedars,

1678
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: junior pers, whatever you wanna call it. Just open, you know,

1679
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: and we get up there. Uh, we're on time this

1680
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: morning where we needed to be at at daylight, and uh,

1681
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,720
Speaker 1: John and Bates are looking one direction. I go and

1682
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: look over the other ridge and it's so open. I

1683
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 1: felt like they're and John correct me if I'm wrong,

1684
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 1: But I feel like you could just you felt like

1685
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 1: you were seeing everything that was there to see, like

1686
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 1: you weren't like, oh man, it's got there's like all

1687
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,599
Speaker 1: these hidden pockets where these deer might be, just so

1688
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 1: open that in the first twenty minutes I had twenty deer,

1689
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: which is unheard of for a cuse deer hunting. I

1690
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: feel like I had never seen that me dere one

1691
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: morning because it's they're all in the open, they weren't hiding.

1692
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:25,679
Speaker 1: And we saw one. I thought it kind of sucked

1693
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: over there, even though you shot a nice buck, well, yeah,

1694
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 1: let me finish. So we saw what we we thought

1695
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: was a shooter buck and it was on the neighbors property.

1696
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,280
Speaker 1: Beeto got his permission to go on the neighbors We

1697
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 1: started hiking towards it, and before we started hiking, I'm

1698
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: telling Beato exactly where it is and how far we're

1699
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: going to go to go around where the bucket is,

1700
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: to get on the backside to look into where he

1701
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: went into and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem.

1702
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: Beato likes to say no problem him. I'm like, all right,

1703
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 1: let's go. So we go like across one good canyon

1704
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,040
Speaker 1: and this side. I'm like all right, Beato, like over there,

1705
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,000
Speaker 1: see that that's where the buck was. We need to

1706
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 1: get on the back side where like when you see

1707
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: there was like some man's in needed trees or something.

1708
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's not right ski trees. Man's need is like,

1709
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:16,599
Speaker 1: is it a tree? What do you call man's anita

1710
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: bush bush? There's no man's in needed there, there's mesquit trees.

1711
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, that's where that buck was. Yeah,

1712
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: too far. We just turn around him and as he

1713
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: started heading back towards John and uh, from there on out,

1714
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 1: I think we glassed up. We had kind of a

1715
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: long afternoon session and we and Beato glassed up. But

1716
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:41,840
Speaker 1: maybe a buck and two dolls, right, Yeah, it definitely

1717
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,559
Speaker 1: it definitely got slower. It was great looking country though,

1718
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 1: Like you said, we had these long ridges that we

1719
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: could kind of a lot of them. You could see

1720
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: on both sides of them and down pretty deep, and

1721
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:55,040
Speaker 1: that was kind of in contrast to the other side

1722
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 1: of the ranch where you had all those mystery pockets.

1723
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: It felt like this Poe if he revealed itself a

1724
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: little bit more like most your only looking at what's

1725
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 1: there exactly, and what it revealed was no dear for me. Yeah,

1726
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: definitely felt like is he pretty good at glass? Oh yeah,

1727
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 1: he definitely glad. Yeah. Um, he felt like lower density,

1728
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 1: but possibility for El Gagante for sure. So that made

1729
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 1: that means the giant I believe. I don't speak Spanish,

1730
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 1: but so we yeah, burned up the afternoon and then

1731
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:36,640
Speaker 1: come evening, John and I decided we're gonna cut across

1732
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: a canyon to another ridge we can't get the ranger too,

1733
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,320
Speaker 1: and then basically sort of still hunt walk peering down

1734
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 1: into these small bowls and have Bato pick us up

1735
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the ridge. Well, we get all

1736
01:40:51,200 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: the way over there and takes us I don't know,

1737
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. It wasn't like a monster hike, but it was,

1738
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, some effort. We crawled up this hillside that

1739
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 1: where we waded through claw that was it wasn't like

1740
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: the stuff that was like the the you know, knee

1741
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: high and like kind of space you can kind of

1742
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:10,639
Speaker 1: pick a path, I mean it was nipple deep and thick.

1743
01:41:11,000 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: Just okay, pierce in your nip, screw it. I gotta

1744
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: just plow through it and just take it like a man,

1745
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, covered in deer. Ship though a lot of

1746
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:22,800
Speaker 1: deer people on that hillside. We saw those coyotes up top.

1747
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 1: That's right. We get to the top. Mantel calls us

1748
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 1: on the phone. He's like, no, I don't know how

1749
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:31,400
Speaker 1: he had figured it out if he was over there

1750
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 1: working Google Our Earth on his phone. But he's like,

1751
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,680
Speaker 1: the road that's on that ridge that you guys are on,

1752
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I can't get to. It comes from another ranch. You

1753
01:41:38,160 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: guys an have to come back. I can't get over

1754
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: to you guys. I'm like, all right, we're gonna hunt

1755
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: out here anyways. So we continue hunting down the ranch

1756
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:51,439
Speaker 1: or down its ridge, looking both sides, and uh, did

1757
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: we see We didn't see another a single of the deer,

1758
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: I don't think right. No, Yeah, I saw the badger monkey.

1759
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, we glass that bag mondy, that's cool. This

1760
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 1: is single. I seemed like you usually seen a little

1761
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 1: groups three or four or a whole ship loader, you know. Um,

1762
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,719
Speaker 1: But it was getting later. It was definitely not quite sunset,

1763
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 1: but getting close and we basically had we were at

1764
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 1: a spot where we could see a couple of bowls. Um,

1765
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: we just didn't have where we were hunting. It wasn't

1766
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: just the giant vistas where you'd want to just sit

1767
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: and just spend three hours glassing. You know, you kind

1768
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: of had to keep moving because you were just seeing

1769
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 1: three to four hundred yards and you have to just

1770
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: pop over the next knoll and see another bowl that

1771
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 1: was three yards and keep on. Yeah, the ridge kind

1772
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: of zigs out. The ridge had an s curve to it,

1773
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 1: which because every time like skiing down the hill, m m,

1774
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna have been a pretty lame ski run the

1775
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: way we were going, and it had been more just

1776
01:42:53,520 --> 01:43:01,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's right, we did some in Yeah, John

1777
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: self arrested. I need that would out. We uh, we

1778
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: have like one like we have like we're like, okay,

1779
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 1: we've got enough time, like go over and like let's

1780
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:13,640
Speaker 1: pick one more bowl and we'll go and sit there.

1781
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: And we've been looking at the stuff that we couldn't

1782
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:19,360
Speaker 1: quite see. So we had a um. The rich sort

1783
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: of had a false bowl in it that we had

1784
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 1: to like cross at the head of and then we'd

1785
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: be on a spot where we could, you know, glass

1786
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: some new country. Can I point out this is not

1787
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:32,120
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to hunt COO's dere Yeah, although even

1788
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:34,719
Speaker 1: Ja was telling me that this ranch and in general,

1789
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: because of its choppiness. He's like, you guys might just

1790
01:43:37,439 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 1: have to move around a little bit more and maybe

1791
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:46,439
Speaker 1: thirty minutes on each glass and knob um just to

1792
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 1: cover it, because there's no way you can. There's just

1793
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 1: not the knob to sit on the way you can

1794
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: just see it all, you know. And uh, I don't

1795
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: know what held you up, but I'm like, yeah, let's

1796
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:56,920
Speaker 1: just go over here and we maybe I only had

1797
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: to go eight yards, We're gonna sit down. Some reason

1798
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: you stayed back, I don't know, maybe just put some

1799
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: gear away in your pack or something. It could be

1800
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: just fat and slow, but yeah, and he's like, yeah,

1801
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: maybe you seared to put away. I had to do

1802
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 1: some push ups. We weren't running anywhere. We just we're

1803
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: just glass and wherever John was coming from so or something.

1804
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 1: I was just looking down. But yeah, creep over there,

1805
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:33,680
Speaker 1: and luckily I had mine creeping hat on and uh,

1806
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to do and We've all done

1807
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:38,720
Speaker 1: it where you just like walk right up to the

1808
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: edge of that ridge and peer over. You're like, oh shit,

1809
01:44:41,560 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: you know a bunch of white tails blown out exactly.

1810
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: And I just craft over there and you know, over

1811
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 1: the edge, and there's a buck staying there not far away,

1812
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: a hundred yards or less, and uh, he's looking away

1813
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:02,679
Speaker 1: from me. Glass him. And I'm packing eights and twelves

1814
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 1: because I like to have my eights on my chest

1815
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: for like for this exact situation, but I like to

1816
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: have the twelves. So I'm sitting down and starting a

1817
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 1: laser distant hillside like, yeah, I want to see. My

1818
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,760
Speaker 1: plan was to go down with tens and twelves, but

1819
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: some insane baggage handler dude, I pulled out my twelves

1820
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,920
Speaker 1: packing and hadn't read the last time I came home.

1821
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: It looks like someone must have taken a fork truck

1822
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,840
Speaker 1: and drove over my twelves. I just send him back

1823
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,719
Speaker 1: to Vortex getting fix like ben I cups and stuff

1824
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: like you have the metal. I don't know what happened.

1825
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 1: It was like something bad happened coming home from somewhere

1826
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize and just put them back where

1827
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 1: they belong. Right, So I was only down there with

1828
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:51,799
Speaker 1: tens solimente, So it goes, is there right, tens only? Yeah? See?

1829
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 1: Oh wait wait, So I'm feeling pretty lucky to have

1830
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 1: caught this buck. And he said, you know, good looking buck,

1831
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 1: because he wanted to shoot her way within his zone. Way.

1832
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:05,679
Speaker 1: I'm in there, but I can tell he's something's guy's

1833
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 1: attention below him. He's like, very fixated on something down below.

1834
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,760
Speaker 1: And look over my shoulder and eight yards away I

1835
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 1: can kind of see John coming, and I'm like, what

1836
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,080
Speaker 1: on earth is at this moment? Why is he way

1837
01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 1: back there and not right with me? Why is he

1838
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: doing push ups back there now? Exactly? It's not the time.

1839
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you heard me counting, I've done

1840
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: a hundred push ups back here. So I'm watching the

1841
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,479
Speaker 1: buck and he's motionless, staring down the hill. I'm like,

1842
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 1: all right, I've got some time. And finally John, I

1843
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: see John, and I'm like, you know, I'm the beaving

1844
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,439
Speaker 1: my arms. Come on, come on with the universal gesture

1845
01:46:44,479 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 1: to means I've found a box. Yeah, and I think

1846
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: he sees me. I go back to looking at the

1847
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: box and I watched the buck put on the ten seconds.

1848
01:46:51,320 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: I look back at John and John's like still that

1849
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: kind of creeping towards me, and I'm like no, like now,

1850
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 1: you know. And obviously you hadn't seen my first gestures

1851
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: because you would have been running, I think, right. But

1852
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: the other thing I'll just point out is that you

1853
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:09,360
Speaker 1: seem to forget that you had a deer tag yourself. Yeah,

1854
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: and what did you do when you started chasing the deer?

1855
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: You left your pack in your rifle? Yea. As soon

1856
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: as I saw the deer, I took off my pack

1857
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,640
Speaker 1: and which I had my rifle strapped to it, just

1858
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: to be ultra light weight and sneaky, you know, because

1859
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: you wanted to sneak up on the deer without a rifle?

1860
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,920
Speaker 1: Is that how you hunt COO's deer? Where was your

1861
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 1: back when I saw him? I just dropped it, just

1862
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: thinking that I was gonna be because you were thinking

1863
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:35,559
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be the guy that shoots. Yeah, that's

1864
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,800
Speaker 1: like seeing a delicious steak and like dropping your fork

1865
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: and walking over to it, like no, because he's thinking

1866
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: he's not the guy that's gonna shoot. Yeah, I'm gonna

1867
01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:49,320
Speaker 1: give John the opportunity. I don't know that, you know.

1868
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, I thought we were like hunting like buddies,

1869
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: like everybody was hunting, like everybody was, you know, and

1870
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't matter you Steve Man, I would have been like,

1871
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 1: come here. Yeah, And well, actually the subcontext of this

1872
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 1: is both I'll let him finish the story, but basically

1873
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 1: neither of us wanted to be done hunting. So he

1874
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 1: tried to trick me into shooting this deer the only

1875
01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:20,080
Speaker 1: day three a big n a big night. It was

1876
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,759
Speaker 1: not a big, huge giant buck with a big buck. Well,

1877
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I never saw the animal though. I mean,

1878
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 1: this is this is this is part of the thing.

1879
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:29,759
Speaker 1: So he's sneaking up there and he's gesturing me over

1880
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 1: like he's on fire and I've got to put him out,

1881
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 1: and okay, creep up there, and he's like the books

1882
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:41,080
Speaker 1: right below us. He's like, can you shoot off hand

1883
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:45,680
Speaker 1: at seventy five yards? And I'm like, yeah, I can

1884
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 1: do that, can you. He's like, well, I can see

1885
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: the buck and I'm like I can't, you know, because

1886
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:56,800
Speaker 1: he's six inches taller than me and he's downhill from me,

1887
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 1: and the whole very handsome, very very wig wa The

1888
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: border lady smells nice more importantly sneaky because the buck,

1889
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,160
Speaker 1: while we're doing this the first time, being gracious to

1890
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 1: each other, the buck moves across the hill. I lose

1891
01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:17,679
Speaker 1: sight of him, and so we had to then back

1892
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 1: off the ridge a little bit, and we circle around

1893
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 1: maybe forty fifty yards and start to do the peak

1894
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: over again. At that point, I'm thinking, like I screwed

1895
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: the pooch because I got lucky the first time. How

1896
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: the hell am I gonna creep over now and at

1897
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,680
Speaker 1: seventy yards pick him up before he picks us up?

1898
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I would be thinking that would

1899
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,240
Speaker 1: be hard to do, especially when you're up a bum

1900
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:42,559
Speaker 1: because you're like then, like then, only people being above

1901
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,439
Speaker 1: more blown. Yeah, But luckily whatever was below him when

1902
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:51,639
Speaker 1: we peek back, I don't know never saw. Maybe, like Turner.

1903
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,120
Speaker 1: Turner once said, if they're ever gonna catch me, they're

1904
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna have to bait that trap with a

1905
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:08,000
Speaker 1: word that starts P. It could have been possum, It

1906
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: could have been a dough down blow. But he was

1907
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 1: leaving that whatever it was bothering when he was leaving it,

1908
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,720
Speaker 1: so I don't know me that you should have had

1909
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 1: some donk. It should have flipped. That's what I would

1910
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 1: have said. Let me get some donk out and a knife,

1911
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go cut off a coin and gouge

1912
01:50:26,439 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 1: one side and we'll settle this. Like, man, we didn't

1913
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:33,759
Speaker 1: have time for that. We're in tight. Yeah. So anyways,

1914
01:50:33,800 --> 01:50:36,719
Speaker 1: we pick him up again and he's we can range

1915
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: the tree behind him, it's like one thirty something, and

1916
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:43,720
Speaker 1: he looks to be a good bit closer, so you know,

1917
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 1: I thought he was. Well, we ran down there after him.

1918
01:50:46,920 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 1: It only took us seconds to run down after we

1919
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: after I finally hit him. It took you seconds. It

1920
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:55,679
Speaker 1: took me about four minutes, but I was running. So yeah.

1921
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,960
Speaker 1: Finally John's like, yeah, you could shoot my gun. I'm like, okay,

1922
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: you onto twist my arm too much. I'll shoot your

1923
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:04,120
Speaker 1: gun at this buck. Why are you guys swapping out

1924
01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:06,680
Speaker 1: guns now? Because I left mine. I left my path

1925
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 1: far away, just fifty yards, but again we're seventy yards

1926
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 1: in this book. You knowver leave your pat that's true.

1927
01:51:17,080 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: Never leave your pack. Great advice, because you just don't

1928
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 1: know how this is gonna wind up. You don't. You don't. Well,

1929
01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,719
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna force John into shooting this box.

1930
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Didn't work. I feel like I want to clear I

1931
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 1: want to just get some clarity on something. I feel

1932
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:38,960
Speaker 1: like you, John are trying to say that there's something

1933
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 1: else going on. And it wasn't just Yanni being generous

1934
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 1: about who's shooting at the buck. Yeah, I mean, I

1935
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: think we were both having a really good time on

1936
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 1: this hunt. And you know, we were being at least

1937
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 1: I was being a little selected. We had seen so

1938
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 1: you think Yanni was like, this looks like a great

1939
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 1: buck for you, buddy. No, No, I know. I actually

1940
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to accuse Yanny of that. I don't

1941
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: think he was trying to like give me a sub

1942
01:52:08,120 --> 01:52:12,719
Speaker 1: Yanni buck. But I do think but I do think

1943
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: that he was in guide mode all of a sudden,

1944
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 1: like just conveniently leaving his rifle elsewhere, and you know,

1945
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:26,120
Speaker 1: wanted me to pull the trigger so he could keep hunting.

1946
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 1: And you know how it is when you don't get

1947
01:52:29,400 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 1: to carry on a rifle anymore. And for me, I

1948
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:36,680
Speaker 1: was having I can't overstay, you know, like like all

1949
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,080
Speaker 1: of us, you know, I get to hunt a lot

1950
01:52:38,120 --> 01:52:42,440
Speaker 1: of places and this kind of hunting, this beautiful country,

1951
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,880
Speaker 1: this glassing intensive thing, looking for these elusive creatures, and

1952
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: they are they're weary animals. I mean some of like

1953
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:52,160
Speaker 1: your hunt. You know, you got up on them, perfect man.

1954
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 1: That's not how it usually plays out. You know. Well,

1955
01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 1: I point I have a hunter accused your five times

1956
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 1: and I've gotten to week long. There you go. And

1957
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 1: there was another example from the day before when Yanni

1958
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: got his deer, and you know, I was up on

1959
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:09,280
Speaker 1: a big knob we were watching. I spotted a pretty

1960
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 1: good buck about seven yards away, and Yanni had gone

1961
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,559
Speaker 1: off to check out a ridge on his own, and

1962
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, he was probably at least a good thousand

1963
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:20,760
Speaker 1: yards from that bucket. When he was working his way

1964
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: back over to my position, that buck popped up his head,

1965
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 1: looked at Yanni and didn't panic, but it was like,

1966
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 1: you know what, that cushion doesn't feel good to me,

1967
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,000
Speaker 1: even from a thousand yards, got up out of his bed,

1968
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 1: was looking at him, and he had a little little

1969
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: buck buddy with him. They just kind of slowly ambled

1970
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:40,880
Speaker 1: and drifted away, you know. And and that there just

1971
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:46,799
Speaker 1: shows you these are these are very wary smart creatures.

1972
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 1: And the day before I shot my buck, you had

1973
01:53:49,880 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: spotted a good buck and we put the stock on him,

1974
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: kicked up a deer that went right by the buck

1975
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,679
Speaker 1: we were trying to kill, and instead of this buck

1976
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: just laying there watching him stream by, he's like, well,

1977
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 1: if they're running out, run into see you later. There's

1978
01:54:04,439 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 1: two kinds of bucks in this world. There's bucks that

1979
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:12,000
Speaker 1: see everybody running around getting all excited, and they're like,

1980
01:54:12,240 --> 01:54:15,599
Speaker 1: that is a good way to get shot, running around

1981
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: getting all worked up about nothing. I'm gonna lay tight

1982
01:54:20,760 --> 01:54:24,240
Speaker 1: until I see, Yeah, when I see the problem and

1983
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:26,479
Speaker 1: I determined that it really is a problem, then I

1984
01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 1: will decide to move. And then there's bucks who are like,

1985
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:32,560
Speaker 1: if something's bothering them, I'm gonna play it safe and

1986
01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: actin that bothers me too, and trust that day right.

1987
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 1: And I think each type of buck can get killed

1988
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: by his own perspective. The buck I got should have

1989
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 1: been the kind of buck who sees trouble and says

1990
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: me too, not the kind of buck who says, I'm

1991
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna wait and see how this plays out before I go,

1992
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:57,520
Speaker 1: burning all my calories up for nothing. Because if I

1993
01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 1: ran every time someone ran, all I'd ever do is

1994
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 1: run around him and gotta be shot by gun by now.

1995
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:08,000
Speaker 1: So anyhow, there you are, there we are, And I

1996
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: take John's gun and like I said, seventy to eighty

1997
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 1: yards and I gotta shoot all panks of a bunch

1998
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 1: of grass. Like crouch down. You can't even see the deer.

1999
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: If you kind of get a SENDI crouch you can

2000
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:25,240
Speaker 1: see his head you stand up the full eagle. Yeah,

2001
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:27,760
Speaker 1: you can pretty much see his body. But even then

2002
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 1: there's some stuff, and so like look through the sculpe,

2003
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, there's too much stuff. I crank up

2004
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: the sculpe a little bit and there's still too much stuff.

2005
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: You can't go to the scope a little bit more,

2006
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 1: and I can finally like pick the lane through the stuff. Right,

2007
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 1: instead of it being all fuzzy, I can now see

2008
01:55:41,120 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 1: a few occaateos. Mostly I could see a lane. And

2009
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 1: you know how when you crank, as you crank the

2010
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 1: sculpe up, your aim gets worse as short ranges. Yeah, right,

2011
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: and maybe Johnny you can speak to why that happens,

2012
01:55:55,480 --> 01:55:57,960
Speaker 1: because you see you realize just how shap how much

2013
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 1: shape you have, right, Yeah, And there are a whole

2014
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons. That's one of them, that that perception

2015
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 1: of wobble when you crank it up. I shoot most

2016
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: things at very low power, all things considered, you actually

2017
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 1: had a good you're explaining it now, you actually had

2018
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,280
Speaker 1: a pretty good reason to turn up your power a

2019
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: little bit. But the problem is is that you get

2020
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 1: that extra amount of wobble, so you start to overcorrect

2021
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 1: and just kind of, almost on a subconscious level, second

2022
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 1: guess yourself. The second thing is is the higher you

2023
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 1: go up in that magnification, you're shrinking your field of view.

2024
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 1: So when you take that shot and you lose your

2025
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: site picture under recoil, you've made it much harder for

2026
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 1: yourself to to reacquire exactly. And you know, you when

2027
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 1: you hunt enough that being able to get a sense

2028
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,240
Speaker 1: of what that animal has done after the shot can

2029
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 1: make a huge, huge difference. So yeah, I mean, lower

2030
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 1: magnification is is the way to go. And part of

2031
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 1: it is, you know, you shoot enough, you learn to

2032
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:57,080
Speaker 1: trust your cross airs. You know, at at four x,

2033
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:00,600
Speaker 1: for example, it's a good like general kind of power

2034
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 1: to keep a scope on. You know, if if that

2035
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:05,800
Speaker 1: even though the cross ears look like it's dominating the

2036
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:08,960
Speaker 1: deer's vitals. You know. Our eyes have a really great

2037
01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:12,480
Speaker 1: ability to kind of just center those things symmetrically, you know,

2038
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:13,840
Speaker 1: And if you get it in there and you just

2039
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: trust in it, it's gonna work. That is the point

2040
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 1: of aim. You don't have to jack it up to

2041
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: twelve power or whatever the top end is. You're not

2042
01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 1: really making things more accurate. In fact, you're kind of

2043
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:30,680
Speaker 1: setting yourself up for potential problems by doing that. I

2044
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:35,440
Speaker 1: walk around with mine on very low often thinking because

2045
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,360
Speaker 1: if you kick something up for something, all things right

2046
01:57:37,400 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 1: there in your face, you can find it in a hurry. Absolutely,

2047
01:57:40,960 --> 01:57:43,000
Speaker 1: I don't crank mine up and sown. I'm like laid

2048
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 1: down ready to shoot, and it's a long shot. Then

2049
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 1: I'll crank it up. Yeah, if you need that extra magnification,

2050
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 1: you will always have time to dial it up. So

2051
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:52,160
Speaker 1: it's you know, you never need a whole bunch in

2052
01:57:52,200 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 1: a hurry, but you oftentimes need not much in a hurry. Absolutely,

2053
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: So there you are there, I am too much power,

2054
01:58:01,680 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing the wobbles. So this is gonna get interesting.

2055
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:08,960
Speaker 1: This is a little trick that you try that doesn't

2056
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 1: work very good. It eventually worked. But I had read

2057
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:18,160
Speaker 1: somewhere that I don't I forget who it was. Might

2058
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:23,880
Speaker 1: have been Van's wall. Yeah. That like as opposed to

2059
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 1: just trying to like put the crosshairs in the middle

2060
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:29,040
Speaker 1: and then trying to hold them there and fighting the wobbles,

2061
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 1: it's sort of better to like come into the zone

2062
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:34,960
Speaker 1: and sort of pick a direction to be moving through

2063
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,200
Speaker 1: your where you want to hit, and then squeeze the trigger.

2064
01:58:39,360 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 1: Right do you understand when you say right? Do you

2065
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:47,160
Speaker 1: mean do I understand? You understand what I'm saying? I understand. Okay.

2066
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:55,000
Speaker 1: I missed twice doing whatever I'm doing. Yeah, and then

2067
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,280
Speaker 1: the third time I just took a little maybe a

2068
01:58:57,320 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 1: little bit deeper breath and uh hit him. How is

2069
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:08,000
Speaker 1: this buck letting you be that close blouching away and

2070
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 1: racking rounds? I wish I had that. I had Bucks

2071
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: looking at me for three or fifty yards away the

2072
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:19,520
Speaker 1: whole week. To ye Credit didn't know we were there.

2073
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:23,600
Speaker 1: Was it dusky, very light? Light was dropping. But to

2074
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,640
Speaker 1: Yannie Credit, he worked the bolt on the gun quickly.

2075
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:30,600
Speaker 1: It's not like he shot and then waited a few seconds.

2076
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 1: He's like he's working lever action. Yeah. He I think

2077
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: he knew he was just kind of given the deer

2078
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 1: a couple of extra chances. I don't know what it was.

2079
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 1: He like, Jerry Cloward. Man, I mean, look, man, I

2080
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 1: messed twice. I mean full on. I mean, if that

2081
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:47,840
Speaker 1: buck would have ran on the first one, I don't.

2082
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. Maybe he would have run a

2083
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:51,240
Speaker 1: hundred yards and stopped and I would have been able

2084
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:53,000
Speaker 1: to take a knee. Actually, you know what I can

2085
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 1: you missed. I know why he missed because he wasn't

2086
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: aiming at it right. Well, there was that, But I

2087
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 1: also up when I handed him the rifle. You know,

2088
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 1: I said, look, the trigger pull on this is fairly light,

2089
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:10,879
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, so I think what happened

2090
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:13,200
Speaker 1: is is he's bringing it up. You know, he's starting

2091
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 1: his little trigger press. It's sort of as he's doing

2092
02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 1: his quail pull through a rising teal or whatever it was.

2093
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:22,320
Speaker 1: And I think he just trip the trip the trigger

2094
02:00:22,520 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 1: a little too quick, because it's got a fairly light,

2095
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: crisp trigger on that gun. I'm gonna start calling it,

2096
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:30,360
Speaker 1: even though he doesn't remember where it came from, start

2097
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:35,320
Speaker 1: calling it the Yannie that that method, that method that

2098
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:40,120
Speaker 1: way to miss. It's called a yanni. So but John,

2099
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:43,160
Speaker 1: speak to that. There is some right we've talked about this.

2100
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:45,240
Speaker 1: You said it's maybe not like pulling through, but you

2101
02:00:45,240 --> 02:00:47,800
Speaker 1: said there's like a figure eight thing where it's opposed

2102
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:50,760
Speaker 1: to like trying to hold one figure eight into this.

2103
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:54,200
Speaker 1: Instead of holding one spot, it is better to sort

2104
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:58,960
Speaker 1: of cross the bull's eye. The part of the thing

2105
02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 1: is is that you hold it when you're shooting off

2106
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:05,800
Speaker 1: hand unsupported. You cannot hold those cross hairs dead steady.

2107
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 1: You're just flat out can't do it. So you're gonna

2108
02:01:08,440 --> 02:01:11,480
Speaker 1: be dealing with radical wobble if you try to hold

2109
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: it straight on like we're talking about. Typically, what you

2110
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 1: get is that figure eight motion that you're talking about,

2111
02:01:16,640 --> 02:01:20,520
Speaker 1: and that naturally happens. And what you have to do

2112
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,240
Speaker 1: is you have to be comfortable with that and not

2113
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:25,600
Speaker 1: get essentially, train yourself not to be nervous about it,

2114
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:30,680
Speaker 1: and learn to shoot when that figure eight is crossing

2115
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:33,240
Speaker 1: where you want. What you're doing, Actually, what you're doing

2116
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:36,600
Speaker 1: isn't fully wrong. You know. I would say it's seventy

2117
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:39,000
Speaker 1: five yards on a deer sized thing. Though you can

2118
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 1: pull that thing up and you have enough time just

2119
02:01:41,480 --> 02:01:44,240
Speaker 1: to kind of snug that thing into your shoulder, you know,

2120
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,640
Speaker 1: and it will steady there for a second, focus hard,

2121
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 1: and shoot like you don't have to overthink it. Um. Yeah,

2122
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:53,960
Speaker 1: but the idea of coming up with the idea is

2123
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:57,840
Speaker 1: to come up and stop. And I don't know, maybe

2124
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,760
Speaker 1: you guys kind of know that trick from bow hunting too.

2125
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:02,320
Speaker 1: You know, that's a bow hunting way of dropping your pin,

2126
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know, settling your pin on an animal.

2127
02:02:05,560 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 1: You go and stop, you know, you you either pull

2128
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:10,800
Speaker 1: you know, pull it up onto the animal or drop

2129
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,000
Speaker 1: it down. And that's the way to kind of hold

2130
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 1: get your pins steady. So there is some precedent for

2131
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: that technique, but um, honestly, at that distance, you just

2132
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 1: want to put it on it and shoot the damn

2133
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:25,840
Speaker 1: thing where my figure eight thing that that description is run.

2134
02:02:25,960 --> 02:02:31,880
Speaker 1: Layton Um was a door gunner in Vietnam, and he

2135
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:34,880
Speaker 1: likes to talk about the problem with running that M

2136
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:37,080
Speaker 1: sixty out of the door was that it would drift

2137
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 1: from the recoil, and he learned to control the drift

2138
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 1: shooting as them sixty by by giving into it mm hmmm.

2139
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,520
Speaker 1: And he said he would always run figure eights over

2140
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 1: his targets. He hate to be a target in Franz. Yeah,

2141
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:58,880
Speaker 1: him running figure eights over you. Yeah, and of course

2142
02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:01,920
Speaker 1: it s shounded rounds a minute too. You've got some

2143
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 1: extra lee with here too. You're not buying the ammo.

2144
02:03:06,760 --> 02:03:09,360
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, what so yeah, third one

2145
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:17,520
Speaker 1: hits him. Yeah, there wasn't that much. It wasn't it was, Yeah,

2146
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:21,400
Speaker 1: and uh we can tell his his ascent drops. He's

2147
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:23,760
Speaker 1: kind of like going away from us, and he disappears

2148
02:03:23,800 --> 02:03:28,640
Speaker 1: almost instantly, and uh, kind of Turkey esque style. I

2149
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:32,800
Speaker 1: just you know, take off Marylon down the hill as

2150
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,520
Speaker 1: though going after it hit Turkey. Yeah, because last thing

2151
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:38,120
Speaker 1: I saw was him like moving away, and it kind

2152
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 1: of looked like he might still have his front legs,

2153
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, and after missing twice, you know, it wasn't

2154
02:03:44,240 --> 02:03:47,880
Speaker 1: like fully confident about weren't feeling coy. But we run

2155
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:52,640
Speaker 1: down there and he's stone cold dead, double long graveyard dead.

2156
02:03:52,840 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 1: Graveyard would say, oh my god. It looked like the

2157
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:58,120
Speaker 1: blood trail looked like somebody took a gallon of red paint,

2158
02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:04,520
Speaker 1: and just yeah, no, third time is the charm. Yeah.

2159
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:09,280
Speaker 1: If mine was a big, huge giant buck, yours was

2160
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:14,600
Speaker 1: a big huge buck. Yeah t bit not as big

2161
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 1: huge giant as I couldn't mean we will put pictures

2162
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:23,080
Speaker 1: up to show, No, I would. I would happily trade

2163
02:04:23,080 --> 02:04:27,800
Speaker 1: you right now. I always likes time about made with Ben.

2164
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:31,320
Speaker 1: It's like kind of nice to incrementally build up too,

2165
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, two bigger animals, because you kind of always

2166
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 1: have like the next step to look forward to. You know,

2167
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:39,480
Speaker 1: once you shoot two under niche mule here, you may

2168
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:41,840
Speaker 1: never get to see another one that big. Let alone

2169
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:44,960
Speaker 1: shoot at one. I had to reset. I had to reset,

2170
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:49,280
Speaker 1: And now I'm going back down the other directions I'll shoot.

2171
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 1: I climbed up. Now I'm climbing down. I'm gonna start

2172
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:58,920
Speaker 1: with forkers and backup. Um so, yeah, the story gets

2173
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:02,760
Speaker 1: a little we we make quick work of, uh chopping

2174
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:07,400
Speaker 1: them up, get him into backpacks and uh remember we

2175
02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:10,680
Speaker 1: crossed this canyon earlier to get over there to this

2176
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:14,360
Speaker 1: ridge we're hunting. Well, we're now maybe half mile down

2177
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 1: the ridge and Veto and the ranger are right across

2178
02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,360
Speaker 1: from us. He was he was able to move the

2179
02:05:20,720 --> 02:05:24,840
Speaker 1: yeah down his ridge, and I mean we can see

2180
02:05:24,920 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 1: him seven yards away because we had done the site

2181
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:33,200
Speaker 1: and go thing on the GPS, which really quickly is

2182
02:05:33,200 --> 02:05:35,840
Speaker 1: basically you point the GPS and lock a direction towards

2183
02:05:35,880 --> 02:05:37,760
Speaker 1: the target and your range find it so you know

2184
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:40,400
Speaker 1: exactly how far it is, and you can put those

2185
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:42,960
Speaker 1: two pieces of data into your GPS and project the

2186
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:45,640
Speaker 1: way points so that later, whether it's an animal or

2187
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: a ranger or whatever, you can find it. So we're

2188
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:51,560
Speaker 1: at the top of this hill. I'm like, yeah, John,

2189
02:05:51,640 --> 02:05:53,920
Speaker 1: let's just bang off this thing right down across the

2190
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 1: canyon on the other side. Yeah. Well, we get down

2191
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 1: after going through a caf we get down to a

2192
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:04,120
Speaker 1: bench and all we have to do is cross what

2193
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,560
Speaker 1: looks to be a little bitty canyon and up the

2194
02:06:06,640 --> 02:06:10,680
Speaker 1: other side and back in the ranger driving home and uh,

2195
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:13,600
Speaker 1: we start looking at the edges canyon and it's there's

2196
02:06:13,720 --> 02:06:15,440
Speaker 1: it's like a pret steep drop off. But then we

2197
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,120
Speaker 1: find a little crease. I'm like, well, you know, mother

2198
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:20,520
Speaker 1: Nature's a little crease. Should just crease it's right down

2199
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:24,400
Speaker 1: the Well. We get down in there and it's, uh,

2200
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:27,520
Speaker 1: it gets deeper and steeper, and when there's the rocks

2201
02:06:27,560 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 1: that are trickling below is are kind of rolling rolling,

2202
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:38,440
Speaker 1: and then there'll be a second pause then, so it's

2203
02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:41,280
Speaker 1: not looking good, and I'm I kind of peel off

2204
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:42,680
Speaker 1: to the right a little bit to see if I

2205
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:44,960
Speaker 1: can find a way down. And all of a sudden,

2206
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 1: I here like, oh ship, you know, and I look

2207
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:50,840
Speaker 1: over and John is now sliding down the slow crease

2208
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:55,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, please, dear guys, and stop. Do not

2209
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 1: want John to go over the edge. And uh yeah,

2210
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:01,440
Speaker 1: did you grab something find only to stop or just

2211
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: just dig your heels and no. I I clenched the

2212
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 1: ground so tightly with my butt. She it was like

2213
02:07:12,280 --> 02:07:15,760
Speaker 1: a bs. What happened was we were on it was

2214
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:17,600
Speaker 1: a very steep I don't know what the grade is

2215
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:20,720
Speaker 1: on that, but this is the you we alluded it to.

2216
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,400
Speaker 1: We alluded to it before with like the screen, like

2217
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:25,760
Speaker 1: the marble like quality. You know, this is kind of

2218
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:29,000
Speaker 1: like rotten ground, you know, I mean, just the dirts loose.

2219
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:33,640
Speaker 1: And I had managed to dislodge pretty good, like about

2220
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:37,840
Speaker 1: a pumpkin sized boulder behind me that took my legs

2221
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:41,560
Speaker 1: out from under me. And you know, I was and

2222
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:43,880
Speaker 1: I ended up. I probably only slid twenty or twenty,

2223
02:07:44,360 --> 02:07:47,160
Speaker 1: but man, it lasted a long time. And you know,

2224
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,480
Speaker 1: just whatever, I just clawted everything to stop and did

2225
02:07:50,520 --> 02:07:54,240
Speaker 1: it before I went down and over the edge. And

2226
02:07:54,280 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 1: at that point I lost enthusiasm for for Yanni's navigational

2227
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:03,080
Speaker 1: and so he's usually pretty good. So we went up

2228
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:06,879
Speaker 1: and down not far but a hundred yards in each direction.

2229
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,120
Speaker 1: Nothing looked like it was gonna get any better. It

2230
02:08:10,240 --> 02:08:12,000
Speaker 1: just looked like we were just on top of this

2231
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:14,960
Speaker 1: king and basically with you know, steep walls. And instead

2232
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:18,840
Speaker 1: of going the Explora Tory methany farther, we decided to

2233
02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:21,560
Speaker 1: let's take fifteen minutes and walked back up the hill.

2234
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:25,160
Speaker 1: We just came down and walk basically exactly the same

2235
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 1: way out that we had come in. Because we know

2236
02:08:29,160 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 1: that we can do it. It won't be any surprises.

2237
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:33,520
Speaker 1: Just followed a little red line on the GPS. Who

2238
02:08:33,560 --> 02:08:36,320
Speaker 1: was carrying all the butt meat? I was, and I

2239
02:08:36,360 --> 02:08:42,120
Speaker 1: gave John all my gear um and uh yeah, So

2240
02:08:42,160 --> 02:08:44,440
Speaker 1: we did that in about two and a half hours later,

2241
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:49,640
Speaker 1: we caught up with Beat and drove home. Yeah. I

2242
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:51,400
Speaker 1: talked about then by the time you guys got back,

2243
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:54,240
Speaker 1: I thought you'd been beheaded and dissolved the bed of acid.

2244
02:08:55,320 --> 02:08:59,080
Speaker 1: The only explanation here is that that was the most

2245
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:01,600
Speaker 1: stressful part of the trip for me, and I was like,

2246
02:09:01,600 --> 02:09:07,000
Speaker 1: should we just make dinner for us? Even without the detour,

2247
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:10,000
Speaker 1: it would have been a good hour, you know, pack job. Well,

2248
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:13,240
Speaker 1: it's it's rugged country, and it's funny because we got

2249
02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,040
Speaker 1: back and you know, finally got within striking distance to

2250
02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:19,040
Speaker 1: the razor. So the dim dim headlights on that thing.

2251
02:09:19,080 --> 02:09:20,680
Speaker 1: The headlights on things are like on a model T.

2252
02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:26,400
Speaker 1: You said, it's like driving my candlewights. It sort of

2253
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:29,480
Speaker 1: like mood lighting. And I thought, for sure, like what

2254
02:09:29,640 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 1: I was like, salvation is at hand. You know, there's

2255
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:34,440
Speaker 1: the there's the razor, and we jump in this thing,

2256
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I sort of just I like driving

2257
02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:40,160
Speaker 1: those things. So I'm sort of appointed myself as the

2258
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:43,920
Speaker 1: designated driver. And we take off and I go maybe

2259
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:47,600
Speaker 1: twenty yards and I all of a sudden hit this ditch.

2260
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:50,360
Speaker 1: That damn your flips the thing. Yeah, it drops like

2261
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:52,520
Speaker 1: two wheels into a ditch to where the wheels don't

2262
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 1: touch the bottom of it. We're kind of high centered

2263
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:59,280
Speaker 1: and luckily those things it was a six wheeler ranger

2264
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:02,360
Speaker 1: and you put into six wheel drive and it climbed

2265
02:10:02,440 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 1: right out of here. But it's kind of one of

2266
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 1: those deals where you're like, oh, the adventure is over

2267
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 1: right home. Like I'm telling you, it's ruthless country man.

2268
02:10:13,120 --> 02:10:17,400
Speaker 1: There's no there's no escape. It is raw, rugged country.

2269
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 1: That's that's huge part of the appeal of it. Yeah, Okay,

2270
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 1: I now need to install a sort of montage. I'm

2271
02:10:24,200 --> 02:10:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna tell a quick story that serves the function of

2272
02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:35,400
Speaker 1: a montage. In the movie. Um, Ben and I have

2273
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:41,880
Speaker 1: grow curious about the Southwest Corner, the Wild Southwest Corner,

2274
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:47,880
Speaker 1: the Wild Corner, and we head in there, um and

2275
02:10:48,120 --> 02:10:51,120
Speaker 1: just start tearing it a new one with the Buyos

2276
02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 1: and find like the homeland. Ben said, I feel like

2277
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:58,600
Speaker 1: we're now in their bedroom or something like that. Yeah.

2278
02:10:58,720 --> 02:11:01,640
Speaker 1: When we sat down in the first I felt unbelievable

2279
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:06,000
Speaker 1: monster bucks running every which way. To refer to the

2280
02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:10,000
Speaker 1: to the location of the dunk Buck tit as kind

2281
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 1: of like overlooking their lands. By the time we got

2282
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 1: into the middle of the Southwest Corner, we were on

2283
02:11:17,120 --> 02:11:20,240
Speaker 1: the back porch. We were there. We could smell them. Yeah,

2284
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:23,640
Speaker 1: we could smell him. We're in there in the southwest quadrant. Yes.

2285
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:28,280
Speaker 1: I also want to add in this montage, there's also

2286
02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,000
Speaker 1: a moment after which we encounter a bucket another area

2287
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:35,680
Speaker 1: called El Surpriso, and we grow very interested in ell SURPRISEO.

2288
02:11:36,840 --> 02:11:41,960
Speaker 1: But that's Spanish for the surprise we leeve believe. We

2289
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:46,760
Speaker 1: grow addressed in the Surpriser ll surprisal, bump them, get

2290
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:48,800
Speaker 1: up on a way high perch, and devote a whole

2291
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:52,640
Speaker 1: day to trying to relocate them. Don't get sick of

2292
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 1: looking at that area, and decided to explore the Southwest quadrant.

2293
02:11:56,720 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 1: Go back to the Southwest Quadrant, discover buck Land. The

2294
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:05,520
Speaker 1: next day, decided to go back and maybe try to

2295
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:09,080
Speaker 1: find else Surprise Oh again because he still haunting us.

2296
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:17,720
Speaker 1: At which point John and Yanni move into the Southwest

2297
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:24,960
Speaker 1: quadrant Shangarlat they find two that is loaded with with

2298
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:32,240
Speaker 1: bucks in in the other deer, and then more stuff happens,

2299
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:35,920
Speaker 1: and then we decided to go back into the Southwest

2300
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 1: quadrant and really tear it the new one where everybody's

2301
02:12:40,040 --> 02:12:48,920
Speaker 1: going in and we're gonna glass the dickens out of it. John, well,

2302
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:54,200
Speaker 1: you we're getting frustrated with me. I think had punted

2303
02:12:54,280 --> 02:12:57,520
Speaker 1: with you know what the things because you're Mr Picky,

2304
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:01,520
Speaker 1: because your Mr Picky. All I hear about all the

2305
02:13:01,560 --> 02:13:04,280
Speaker 1: giant bucks. These guys see here, see He's like, how

2306
02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,000
Speaker 1: far away was that? Dear here? A hundred five in?

2307
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:14,080
Speaker 1: How far away wasn't a thousand yards? What's wrong with that? What? Like? Mr?

2308
02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:16,360
Speaker 1: Shooting Editor? I thought you could shoot. It was like

2309
02:13:16,400 --> 02:13:19,920
Speaker 1: just all these barts went around just love him in there.

2310
02:13:21,120 --> 02:13:23,400
Speaker 1: I have to admit I was loving this hunt so much.

2311
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:25,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't want it to be over. And I

2312
02:13:25,720 --> 02:13:29,680
Speaker 1: feel like time time bore you out. That's all you

2313
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:32,560
Speaker 1: could say, you were proven right. I was, I was

2314
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:35,160
Speaker 1: proven right. Well, here's what happened, is is that that

2315
02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:40,200
Speaker 1: first time that Yanni and I encroached on your guys country,

2316
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:43,879
Speaker 1: you know, we did see a couple of really intriguing bucks,

2317
02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:46,800
Speaker 1: and there was this one buck. A matter of fact,

2318
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:48,840
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw him, I think I was like,

2319
02:13:48,960 --> 02:13:51,520
Speaker 1: that's l Gigante. I think that's him, you know, And

2320
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:55,240
Speaker 1: I got super excited about him, and uh and Yannie

2321
02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:56,880
Speaker 1: sort of put him in his spotting school because I

2322
02:13:56,880 --> 02:13:59,600
Speaker 1: didn't have a spotter. I just had my fifteen power banc.

2323
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:03,160
Speaker 1: Did you guys introduce I'm just trying to move stuff

2324
02:14:03,200 --> 02:14:06,480
Speaker 1: long I did, I'll get you. I don't want to

2325
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:10,000
Speaker 1: get into el Gagante. Well, I brought in that there's

2326
02:14:10,120 --> 02:14:13,800
Speaker 1: l surprise though, Okagante, I did a montage sort of thing,

2327
02:14:14,360 --> 02:14:17,240
Speaker 1: and now here we are because so now it can't

2328
02:14:17,240 --> 02:14:22,760
Speaker 1: be six days long. Like so anyway, I see this one,

2329
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:25,960
Speaker 1: good good buck and uh but yeah, he sort of

2330
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:27,840
Speaker 1: talks me out of it. To be honest, he's like,

2331
02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:31,680
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he's okay. When you guys, you guys

2332
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:36,080
Speaker 1: named him a misleading name. When I heard the century buck,

2333
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:39,560
Speaker 1: I thought, man, that you could glass bucks for a

2334
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:43,760
Speaker 1: century and only find one that looks like that. I

2335
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:46,880
Speaker 1: thought he was a hundred inches. But it turns out

2336
02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:49,280
Speaker 1: the century buck just happen to be raking his antlers

2337
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:53,360
Speaker 1: on a century plan. So I'm thinking, wow, a once

2338
02:14:53,400 --> 02:15:00,760
Speaker 1: in a century occurrence. It's like, yeah, yeah, John still

2339
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:07,480
Speaker 1: can't commit This cow's deer levitated the plane. I'm like,

2340
02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:10,720
Speaker 1: this guy doesn't even want a once in a century buck.

2341
02:15:14,080 --> 02:15:16,760
Speaker 1: No I did. I did. I got super excited about him,

2342
02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:19,120
Speaker 1: and I think I saw him later that day and

2343
02:15:19,160 --> 02:15:21,520
Speaker 1: I made a I made a move on him to

2344
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:25,120
Speaker 1: go to go go after him. You know, he was

2345
02:15:25,920 --> 02:15:28,120
Speaker 1: chasing a dough and I got just the paris glimpse

2346
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: of his antlers, and I'm like, I'm going to go

2347
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:31,720
Speaker 1: make a movement. So I moved off the knob and

2348
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:34,000
Speaker 1: did the quick up and down and tried to find

2349
02:15:34,040 --> 02:15:37,320
Speaker 1: him and couldn't and uh. And later that evening we

2350
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:39,520
Speaker 1: saw another nice buck up and I made a move

2351
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:48,000
Speaker 1: on him, and the normal identified crab claw. Yeah, so

2352
02:15:48,040 --> 02:15:50,520
Speaker 1: this was crab claw. And I got to with him

2353
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:53,480
Speaker 1: three d and fifty yards of him at absolute last light.

2354
02:15:53,600 --> 02:15:55,680
Speaker 1: But he was I didn't get because I didn't have

2355
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:57,560
Speaker 1: the spine scope. I didn't get the greatest look at him.

2356
02:15:57,560 --> 02:15:59,720
Speaker 1: He was bedded facing the way and I couldn't tell

2357
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:01,800
Speaker 1: if they were vegetation, so I had to not not

2358
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:05,720
Speaker 1: go after it. Um. But then the next morning ended

2359
02:16:05,800 --> 02:16:08,720
Speaker 1: up connecting. The next morning, last day, we're on day six.

2360
02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:11,960
Speaker 1: Now we're we're you know, Ben and I still don't

2361
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:14,560
Speaker 1: have our tags down to the wire. Down to the

2362
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:17,880
Speaker 1: wire we we take. So we're gonna take the secret

2363
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:20,360
Speaker 1: road in or the better road, and so we take

2364
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:22,560
Speaker 1: the better road in to get into a better spot

2365
02:16:22,840 --> 02:16:26,040
Speaker 1: and put the full court breaths put put the full court.

2366
02:16:26,120 --> 02:16:27,920
Speaker 1: So we go in there to get into an even

2367
02:16:27,960 --> 02:16:30,680
Speaker 1: better spot than we've been and ended up right back

2368
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:35,440
Speaker 1: where we were before somehow, and this was put. Every

2369
02:16:35,440 --> 02:16:38,920
Speaker 1: time you step out the door, what time we usually

2370
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:40,680
Speaker 1: take off out of there? Try to leave it six

2371
02:16:41,480 --> 02:16:43,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna go spend. You're gonna be on the glass

2372
02:16:43,879 --> 02:16:47,360
Speaker 1: and knob till six. Yeah, it's an all day poll.

2373
02:16:47,879 --> 02:16:49,480
Speaker 1: You you spend every time you step out the door,

2374
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:52,879
Speaker 1: You're gonna spend twelve hours on an old glass. I

2375
02:16:52,879 --> 02:16:55,480
Speaker 1: mean all of us spent seventy two hours hunting cooes,

2376
02:16:55,560 --> 02:16:59,560
Speaker 1: deer and one way shape or form. Yeah, seventy two

2377
02:16:59,560 --> 02:17:02,320
Speaker 1: hours on the knob. That'd be a good name of

2378
02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:04,560
Speaker 1: a book on the knob on the Kno, Well, we

2379
02:17:04,640 --> 02:17:10,640
Speaker 1: got our on the knob between two tips. Well, and

2380
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:16,680
Speaker 1: you call them knockers. Yeah, yeah, And you see your

2381
02:17:16,680 --> 02:17:18,600
Speaker 1: buddies got a nice pair of board texes. I go,

2382
02:17:18,720 --> 02:17:22,600
Speaker 1: nice knockers, nice pair of knockers. Knocks. It's short for

2383
02:17:22,680 --> 02:17:26,400
Speaker 1: buying knock you alert. I'm just trimming out the knock,

2384
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:33,080
Speaker 1: but by knocker or knockers knocks, knockers knocks. It's like this.

2385
02:17:33,720 --> 02:17:36,280
Speaker 1: I recently met a guy who runs lions in Mexico,

2386
02:17:36,400 --> 02:17:39,760
Speaker 1: and and and I heard him it's like how language works, right,

2387
02:17:40,000 --> 02:17:43,920
Speaker 1: And I heard him talking about um. He would describe

2388
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,160
Speaker 1: what you'd see a lion track, and he'd say, I

2389
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:49,640
Speaker 1: thought he was saying, that's a mondo track. I thought

2390
02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:54,640
Speaker 1: he knew a Spanish word. Mando was a Spanish word

2391
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:59,200
Speaker 1: that means like toad or pig or something big. It'd

2392
02:17:59,240 --> 02:18:02,160
Speaker 1: be a fun game to go around the room. Oh,

2393
02:18:02,959 --> 02:18:05,160
Speaker 1: can can I do two die? Like? Can I do

2394
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:09,200
Speaker 1: a triple digression? Hold the thought about mindo. When I

2395
02:18:09,240 --> 02:18:11,879
Speaker 1: was in college, I read a paper where a sociologist.

2396
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:16,880
Speaker 1: The sociologist had men in the room, had a group

2397
02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:19,720
Speaker 1: of friends from a fraternity in a room and tasked

2398
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:24,320
Speaker 1: them with listing all the names they knew for male genitalium,

2399
02:18:27,000 --> 02:18:30,199
Speaker 1: and likewise took a bunch of sorority sisters and tasked

2400
02:18:30,280 --> 02:18:32,800
Speaker 1: them with generating a list of all the terms they

2401
02:18:32,879 --> 02:18:37,280
Speaker 1: knew for male genitalium. The male list was saying such

2402
02:18:37,320 --> 02:18:42,560
Speaker 1: as the emperor, coach at the president, a commissioner, and

2403
02:18:42,640 --> 02:18:45,200
Speaker 1: the female list was things of a much. It was

2404
02:18:45,240 --> 02:18:52,080
Speaker 1: more like like um, like like disgusting, diminutive, like lacking

2405
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:57,920
Speaker 1: terms that lacked power and authority. So but anyhow, uh,

2406
02:18:58,040 --> 02:19:00,440
Speaker 1: the guy, I thought, you're saying a mon though, So

2407
02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:02,720
Speaker 1: we started saying mindo. One day, I'm like, hey, what

2408
02:19:02,800 --> 02:19:07,119
Speaker 1: does mando translate to exactly? He says, I'm not saying mando,

2409
02:19:07,520 --> 02:19:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm saying mango, as in humongous. So knockers like knocks

2410
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:18,600
Speaker 1: makes sense. But things just change over time, Like someday

2411
02:19:18,640 --> 02:19:21,800
Speaker 1: I'll explain the word tigs. You know, we never know

2412
02:19:21,879 --> 02:19:24,840
Speaker 1: what meant, and it's just this long evolution of a

2413
02:19:24,840 --> 02:19:31,000
Speaker 1: couple different terms where it becomes tigs. So so we're

2414
02:19:31,000 --> 02:19:36,600
Speaker 1: in Mexico, right, We're in Mexico here and with knocks

2415
02:19:36,920 --> 02:19:40,440
Speaker 1: with with knocks on the tits. Okay, So we get

2416
02:19:40,440 --> 02:19:45,039
Speaker 1: back up here last day and the Latvian eagle strikes again.

2417
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:50,480
Speaker 1: We're kind of looking over this we're we're looking at

2418
02:19:50,520 --> 02:19:53,080
Speaker 1: we're looking over this country the Latvia lover, but it's

2419
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:57,840
Speaker 1: very firmly now the lab the Latvian eagle, and uh,

2420
02:19:57,959 --> 02:19:59,720
Speaker 1: he's like, I think I see him, you know you

2421
02:19:59,800 --> 02:20:01,320
Speaker 1: are are I see him? You know the set in

2422
02:20:01,360 --> 02:20:05,400
Speaker 1: the sentry buck And I take literally about a half

2423
02:20:05,440 --> 02:20:11,560
Speaker 1: second look through my knocker, saying it right, my knocks,

2424
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:13,959
Speaker 1: my knocks. So I take a half second look through

2425
02:20:13,959 --> 02:20:16,320
Speaker 1: my knocks and I just sort of have this like

2426
02:20:16,520 --> 02:20:20,480
Speaker 1: visceral identification. That's him. And I start packing up my

2427
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:24,200
Speaker 1: stuff and to make a move on, and I'm going like,

2428
02:20:24,280 --> 02:20:27,040
Speaker 1: I am just I am dialed in, I'm ready to go. Yeah.

2429
02:20:27,080 --> 02:20:29,240
Speaker 1: He's still like, well, I think it's a whatever. I'm

2430
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:35,400
Speaker 1: going gone and take off. Got dirt with me. Remember

2431
02:20:35,440 --> 02:20:37,480
Speaker 1: asking like are we moving? You're like no, I'm gonna

2432
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:41,000
Speaker 1: go kill that buck. I was like, oh, okay, yeah.

2433
02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:47,240
Speaker 1: So end up crossing over to another um that's closer

2434
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,520
Speaker 1: to him and I had kind of been on this country.

2435
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:53,160
Speaker 1: I was really excited because these are a little shoulder

2436
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:55,520
Speaker 1: on a little shoulder. And the thing is issue is

2437
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:57,440
Speaker 1: that on the one hand we see how wary the

2438
02:20:57,480 --> 02:20:59,360
Speaker 1: couse deer are, but on the other hand they do

2439
02:20:59,440 --> 02:21:01,200
Speaker 1: have a pretty tight home range. I don't know a

2440
02:21:01,240 --> 02:21:04,039
Speaker 1: lot about their biology, but it doesn't it seems like

2441
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:06,879
Speaker 1: they have kind of a kind of a tight area

2442
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:10,880
Speaker 1: that they sort of cou'se dear lower. It is like

2443
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:14,440
Speaker 1: full of of of like stories that kind of marvel

2444
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 1: at their fidelity to a little patch of ground. But

2445
02:21:18,480 --> 02:21:20,560
Speaker 1: they got like a little spot where they lived their

2446
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:24,680
Speaker 1: life in what seems to be a vast and and

2447
02:21:24,760 --> 02:21:26,760
Speaker 1: I guess we looked out in that sense, because I

2448
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:30,120
Speaker 1: had stopped on that hill where we had first seen

2449
02:21:30,200 --> 02:21:33,560
Speaker 1: him pretty hard the day before. And usually, you know,

2450
02:21:33,959 --> 02:21:37,640
Speaker 1: hunting deer, you think I've kind of spoiled this spot

2451
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:39,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, or I've stirred it up a little

2452
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:41,920
Speaker 1: too much, or so I'm always worried about that. Yeah,

2453
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, it's always that nagging doubt and uh. And

2454
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:47,480
Speaker 1: yet there he was, just right back where we had

2455
02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:50,160
Speaker 1: seen him before, and I'm like, you know, and this

2456
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:52,480
Speaker 1: is a deal, right, It's it's the morning, it's cool.

2457
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,879
Speaker 1: They're up and on their feet, you know, and pretty

2458
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:57,080
Speaker 1: soon they're going to be going to ground. They're gonna

2459
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:59,640
Speaker 1: be bedded somewhere more or less. Although the rut had

2460
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:01,800
Speaker 1: kick then too, so you know, that was sort of

2461
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:04,440
Speaker 1: the X factor. But that's always the worry. So I

2462
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:06,480
Speaker 1: saw him, I just I just took off dirt and

2463
02:22:06,520 --> 02:22:09,680
Speaker 1: I made the traverse across to this next knob down

2464
02:22:09,680 --> 02:22:12,520
Speaker 1: the saddle, and I had already scouted a shooting location.

2465
02:22:12,520 --> 02:22:14,160
Speaker 1: I knew where I wanted to shoot him with. I

2466
02:22:14,160 --> 02:22:16,680
Speaker 1: had looked and seeing a spot that had fairly bare

2467
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:21,000
Speaker 1: ground up there to avoid you know us. Yeah, on

2468
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:26,000
Speaker 1: his grass situation, and got up there, got on and

2469
02:22:26,120 --> 02:22:29,040
Speaker 1: laid my pack down, raised him at four hundred seven yards.

2470
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:32,160
Speaker 1: He was walking to the right, and I gave him

2471
02:22:32,200 --> 02:22:37,199
Speaker 1: a blee. I mean, just awful. Like I'm not a

2472
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,200
Speaker 1: calling guy. I'm never going to win a contest or

2473
02:22:39,240 --> 02:22:41,720
Speaker 1: anything like that. But it does pretty good. Remy is

2474
02:22:41,800 --> 02:22:44,920
Speaker 1: very good. I think in that moment though, nobody's really

2475
02:22:44,920 --> 02:22:49,280
Speaker 1: trying to make a really realistic dear sound. You're just

2476
02:22:49,320 --> 02:22:52,680
Speaker 1: trying to make any sound that makes him go. Remy

2477
02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:54,160
Speaker 1: can make a legit buck noise, and you make a

2478
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:57,520
Speaker 1: pretty good one. Really do yours like it? Like that?

2479
02:22:57,720 --> 02:23:02,440
Speaker 1: The man did it last night? Oh the money was

2480
02:23:02,520 --> 02:23:04,200
Speaker 1: like full on when you're trying to get a buck

2481
02:23:04,280 --> 02:23:11,120
Speaker 1: to turn or stop. I go, hey, please cut that

2482
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:14,200
Speaker 1: sound and use it in the just started selling the

2483
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:23,039
Speaker 1: game causes drunk laugh Anyway. My point is I'm not

2484
02:23:23,080 --> 02:23:25,360
Speaker 1: trying to pretend like I have some great like call.

2485
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:29,960
Speaker 1: But I bleat out this sound and he stops and

2486
02:23:29,959 --> 02:23:33,640
Speaker 1: and boom, four or seven yards. One shot I cut

2487
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:35,879
Speaker 1: as it was an interesting shot. I ended up taking

2488
02:23:35,920 --> 02:23:38,360
Speaker 1: him a little high through the shoulders and it went

2489
02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:41,440
Speaker 1: into kind of the Noman's land, you know that dreaded.

2490
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:43,840
Speaker 1: When you're archery hunting, you you know that dreaded no

2491
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:46,840
Speaker 1: man's landing shot. And that's that's where that bullet went.

2492
02:23:46,879 --> 02:23:51,120
Speaker 1: And it totally grenaded through his shoulders. I mean it

2493
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:53,959
Speaker 1: took both of his shoulders right out. But he was

2494
02:23:54,040 --> 02:23:56,480
Speaker 1: still alive. When we got over to him. He wasn't

2495
02:23:56,480 --> 02:23:58,400
Speaker 1: going anywhere. We had watched him a little bit through

2496
02:23:58,400 --> 02:24:01,080
Speaker 1: the glass, and Yanni at that point was like, yeah,

2497
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,720
Speaker 1: I still see him flopping around out there. So we

2498
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:07,080
Speaker 1: moved over there pretty quickly, and I you know, I

2499
02:24:07,360 --> 02:24:10,480
Speaker 1: had dispatched him with my knife, and and uh, guy,

2500
02:24:10,480 --> 02:24:14,680
Speaker 1: who's just beautiful, great buck, the centry buck, the century buck,

2501
02:24:14,800 --> 02:24:19,200
Speaker 1: and the oh he had a crazy curly hoof. Yeah,

2502
02:24:19,240 --> 02:24:20,840
Speaker 1: what happens to people? Why don't cut their fingernils? You

2503
02:24:21,280 --> 02:24:23,600
Speaker 1: have to curl? Yeah, yeah he had. He had this

2504
02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:27,920
Speaker 1: one like little veloci raptor, little raptor toe toe on him.

2505
02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:31,879
Speaker 1: Starts cocaine. Can you see, John, I'll have it around

2506
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:36,000
Speaker 1: his neck it. I'm gonna start wearing deep v T shirts.

2507
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:42,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop shaving my chest. Ye get a thatch

2508
02:24:42,920 --> 02:24:48,640
Speaker 1: worthy worthy of that thing. So yeah, great beautifu Yet another,

2509
02:24:49,320 --> 02:24:52,800
Speaker 1: yet another not big, huge giant but like mine, but

2510
02:24:52,879 --> 02:24:56,600
Speaker 1: another big huge buck. No, he's definitely not as as

2511
02:24:56,680 --> 02:25:00,480
Speaker 1: big as yours and early. I mean, you shot that

2512
02:25:00,520 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 1: thing and the sun had barely hit that hill. The

2513
02:25:03,959 --> 02:25:08,720
Speaker 1: sun had barely hit Bend's right cheek. When read throughout

2514
02:25:08,720 --> 02:25:11,720
Speaker 1: the day, I got locked. I got into the mode.

2515
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:13,400
Speaker 1: You didn't you know what that feelings like though, when

2516
02:25:13,400 --> 02:25:16,440
Speaker 1: the switch just clicks and you're like, all of a sudden,

2517
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:18,959
Speaker 1: like just everything is just focused on it. And that's

2518
02:25:19,640 --> 02:25:22,520
Speaker 1: that's what I felt. As soon as as soon as

2519
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:25,560
Speaker 1: I saw his antlers, I'm just like go, you know.

2520
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:30,199
Speaker 1: I was explaining to Ben the other day, UM about

2521
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:34,039
Speaker 1: like how days passed out there. It's like you imagine

2522
02:25:34,040 --> 02:25:36,000
Speaker 1: the way a day goes like a like a like

2523
02:25:36,040 --> 02:25:40,959
Speaker 1: a dimmer switch, where you like gradually right and any

2524
02:25:41,080 --> 02:25:44,440
Speaker 1: second is sort of imperceptible from the second past because

2525
02:25:44,480 --> 02:25:47,960
Speaker 1: it's just happening silly gradually, like it's like pre dawn darkness,

2526
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:50,240
Speaker 1: and then it's all of a sudden, gets the greyness

2527
02:25:50,320 --> 02:25:52,040
Speaker 1: and there's like light and it's kind of like mid

2528
02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:55,400
Speaker 1: day and you just keep slowly graduating it fades. I

2529
02:25:55,440 --> 02:26:00,760
Speaker 1: feel like out here, it's um, it's like clicky. Yeah,

2530
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:04,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's pre dawned darkness and goes click. It's

2531
02:26:04,520 --> 02:26:08,200
Speaker 1: also like morning and it's like click. It's also like

2532
02:26:08,360 --> 02:26:10,800
Speaker 1: scorching lye hot. And then they're like click and it's

2533
02:26:10,879 --> 02:26:14,840
Speaker 1: evening and clicking is dark. It just happened, like what yeah,

2534
02:26:15,480 --> 02:26:18,160
Speaker 1: and just a feeling that hits at ten am, like

2535
02:26:18,240 --> 02:26:21,080
Speaker 1: someone does a they throw the mid Like at ten am,

2536
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:24,680
Speaker 1: you're just like, shoot, now, I gotta stay here for

2537
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:28,360
Speaker 1: four hours getting boiled by the sun and wait for

2538
02:26:28,400 --> 02:26:30,360
Speaker 1: them to throw the next switch, which makes all the

2539
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:32,600
Speaker 1: deer come back out of the funniest part is the

2540
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:34,800
Speaker 1: difference in the shade. I mean, you know, just you

2541
02:26:34,840 --> 02:26:37,160
Speaker 1: can you can imagine Deer's movie because when you're in

2542
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:41,080
Speaker 1: the shade, you feel like calm, that's calm and comfortable.

2543
02:26:41,080 --> 02:26:44,440
Speaker 1: There's a little breeze oh yeah. And then and then

2544
02:26:44,480 --> 02:26:46,560
Speaker 1: you go out in the sun you're like, oh my god,

2545
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:53,360
Speaker 1: who lives here? Why would you? This? Is there a

2546
02:26:53,440 --> 02:26:57,440
Speaker 1: watering hole? And it's like yeah, and you get back

2547
02:26:57,440 --> 02:27:00,400
Speaker 1: into the two ft wide piece oh yeah, yeah. And

2548
02:27:00,480 --> 02:27:04,840
Speaker 1: that's what the narrowness of the shade, the narrowness of

2549
02:27:04,840 --> 02:27:07,400
Speaker 1: the shad because there's no big trees, every small The

2550
02:27:07,520 --> 02:27:09,640
Speaker 1: narrowness of the shade is what allows you to keep

2551
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:11,360
Speaker 1: I think it's what allows you to keep spotting deer

2552
02:27:11,400 --> 02:27:14,440
Speaker 1: all day exactly because you can't you get a little

2553
02:27:14,440 --> 02:27:17,720
Speaker 1: shade patch. You're like, remember some time about watching uh

2554
02:27:17,760 --> 02:27:23,279
Speaker 1: antelope get shade from phone poles and they just moved

2555
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:25,400
Speaker 1: like that to catch the only to catch shade from

2556
02:27:25,400 --> 02:27:27,240
Speaker 1: me a phone pole, and then moving to stay in

2557
02:27:27,240 --> 02:27:29,840
Speaker 1: at little shade line from a phone pole, and it's

2558
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:31,920
Speaker 1: like a sund out. You're moving every couple of minutes,

2559
02:27:32,440 --> 02:27:35,240
Speaker 1: and so I think that that's like always causing I

2560
02:27:35,240 --> 02:27:37,760
Speaker 1: remember like looking at a doll bettered in a little

2561
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:41,680
Speaker 1: bit of shade and coming back fifteen minutes later and

2562
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:43,640
Speaker 1: she was gone, like oh yeah, because her like her

2563
02:27:43,680 --> 02:27:46,000
Speaker 1: shade patch is gone. Now she had to get up.

2564
02:27:46,040 --> 02:27:48,840
Speaker 1: And it's funny on this hunt, this first time I

2565
02:27:48,879 --> 02:27:53,280
Speaker 1: ever realized how much our movements were similar to the deer's.

2566
02:27:53,959 --> 02:27:56,320
Speaker 1: You know, we were went and in Jay's advice of

2567
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:59,640
Speaker 1: thirty minute, thirty minute, thirty minute, that was during deer

2568
02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:02,240
Speaker 1: movement time, it went deer on their feet. You gotta

2569
02:28:02,280 --> 02:28:04,600
Speaker 1: keep moving, you gotta see new country, glass new country

2570
02:28:04,600 --> 02:28:07,440
Speaker 1: because the deer up and moving and and you can

2571
02:28:07,440 --> 02:28:09,520
Speaker 1: get eyes on them. But when they go to bed,

2572
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:12,360
Speaker 1: you stay put. You go to bed too. You get

2573
02:28:12,400 --> 02:28:14,360
Speaker 1: under the shade tree and you glass them up and

2574
02:28:14,360 --> 02:28:16,360
Speaker 1: see if you can get lucky. And you're hoping that, yeah,

2575
02:28:16,400 --> 02:28:19,640
Speaker 1: that some dough is gonna stand up to shift, it's

2576
02:28:19,640 --> 02:28:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna make a buck and be like, oh my god,

2577
02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:24,920
Speaker 1: what's she doing? And he stands up to he goes

2578
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:27,400
Speaker 1: to play grab bass and then you got the moves.

2579
02:28:27,440 --> 02:28:30,040
Speaker 1: He follows her and Austin like yeah, but then you

2580
02:28:30,120 --> 02:28:31,800
Speaker 1: got to jump on him because you know where they

2581
02:28:31,840 --> 02:28:33,520
Speaker 1: are and they're gonna stay in that. He's not going

2582
02:28:33,560 --> 02:28:36,920
Speaker 1: to shake off to the new territory. Right. So this

2583
02:28:36,959 --> 02:28:38,520
Speaker 1: was the first time that struck me just because we

2584
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 1: did spend seventy two hours doing this, that there is

2585
02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:45,120
Speaker 1: this you know, you're mirroring the movement of the animal

2586
02:28:45,879 --> 02:28:49,480
Speaker 1: for a good reason. Yeah, it's a good observation. So

2587
02:28:49,560 --> 02:28:55,080
Speaker 1: there you are, Ben Benny O'Brien, Ben O'Brien, capital old

2588
02:28:56,360 --> 02:29:00,640
Speaker 1: l Ben No no, yeah, yeah, apostrophe there put a

2589
02:29:00,680 --> 02:29:07,560
Speaker 1: little mar hash um. It's time for your buck story. Yeah.

2590
02:29:07,959 --> 02:29:10,440
Speaker 1: Should I go all the way back to if you

2591
02:29:10,480 --> 02:29:13,560
Speaker 1: want this is gonna probably be two part podcast. I

2592
02:29:13,560 --> 02:29:19,240
Speaker 1: think it's fair to go back, you know, Oh setting

2593
02:29:19,320 --> 02:29:22,880
Speaker 1: it you guys, he says, you know, and in a

2594
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:29,560
Speaker 1: justice position, I'm leaning, I'm leaning forward, I'm leaving. I'm

2595
02:29:29,640 --> 02:29:32,600
Speaker 1: leaning forward and gripping my teeth like like Yanni driving

2596
02:29:32,600 --> 02:29:37,680
Speaker 1: the van Um. You know, like when you see a

2597
02:29:37,720 --> 02:29:44,080
Speaker 1: deer and you immediately know that it's it's over and

2598
02:29:44,120 --> 02:29:47,200
Speaker 1: above what your expectations might be. My wife, Yeah, for

2599
02:29:47,320 --> 02:29:49,400
Speaker 1: what a deer could look like. You know, when you

2600
02:29:49,440 --> 02:29:51,560
Speaker 1: meet a hot lady or whatever and you maybe just

2601
02:29:51,600 --> 02:29:53,680
Speaker 1: see like the backside of her head. He turns out, WHOA,

2602
02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:58,240
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna work for me. Uh. We saw this

2603
02:29:58,320 --> 02:30:04,600
Speaker 1: buck called El Gagante. Now he didn't have a name

2604
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:08,240
Speaker 1: prior to seeing him, but I I named him El

2605
02:30:08,280 --> 02:30:14,360
Speaker 1: Gagante because because yeah, the gagante means I believe the

2606
02:30:14,400 --> 02:30:19,600
Speaker 1: giant in Spanish. Mark Kenyon be so excited about names.

2607
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:30,200
Speaker 1: Names we become good because like gigantico, okay, gante to

2608
02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:34,680
Speaker 1: be sounds more probably pecante, you know, could be like

2609
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:36,879
Speaker 1: a salta company. Yeah, something like that. I like it

2610
02:30:36,920 --> 02:30:42,480
Speaker 1: to sound authentic. Anyway, we're we're this is two days

2611
02:30:42,560 --> 02:30:46,480
Speaker 1: prior to this is post l surprise. Oh, but prior

2612
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:49,640
Speaker 1: to john the Johnny and Yanni team going back to

2613
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:53,080
Speaker 1: the southwest corner our honey to this point, we have

2614
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:56,600
Speaker 1: to this this point, we have yet to discover that

2615
02:30:56,800 --> 02:30:59,160
Speaker 1: the honey hoole has honey. I mean, we were kind

2616
02:30:59,160 --> 02:31:03,199
Speaker 1: of sniffing aroun it. It smells sweet at this point,

2617
02:31:03,200 --> 02:31:04,680
Speaker 1: but we don't know if there's honey in there or not.

2618
02:31:05,959 --> 02:31:07,920
Speaker 1: And so we get deep in the hole and we're

2619
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:11,240
Speaker 1: and we're hunting, and we spot this buck. He's across

2620
02:31:11,480 --> 02:31:14,400
Speaker 1: across the south. He's to the north what is the northeast,

2621
02:31:14,959 --> 02:31:18,160
Speaker 1: about um three cords of a mile from our main

2622
02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:21,480
Speaker 1: tip when we first got in the southwest corner. And

2623
02:31:21,560 --> 02:31:25,600
Speaker 1: so we're chasing this buck. We're trying to find him

2624
02:31:25,640 --> 02:31:28,480
Speaker 1: in the shade of the day. Oh crab clawl so

2625
02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:31,080
Speaker 1: crab claws. He's a nice eight point, but he's only

2626
02:31:31,080 --> 02:31:34,560
Speaker 1: got crabs on the end of his main beam. Chasing Jason,

2627
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:37,320
Speaker 1: he gets up in some shade and we think he's

2628
02:31:37,320 --> 02:31:39,240
Speaker 1: gonna be bet in this little pocket, in this cut

2629
02:31:39,240 --> 02:31:42,000
Speaker 1: of this ridge. We're gonna get over there and find him,

2630
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:44,240
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be perfect because he's gonna be bedded

2631
02:31:44,240 --> 02:31:45,560
Speaker 1: down in the shade of the day, and we'll have

2632
02:31:45,560 --> 02:31:48,560
Speaker 1: plenty of time to step be on an opposing hillside

2633
02:31:48,320 --> 02:31:50,640
Speaker 1: eye level with him exactly. And we have not We've

2634
02:31:50,720 --> 02:31:52,840
Speaker 1: yet to explore the southwest corner. We don't really know

2635
02:31:52,879 --> 02:31:54,560
Speaker 1: what's going on. We just know there's a buck over

2636
02:31:54,600 --> 02:31:57,200
Speaker 1: that direction that we need to go get him. So

2637
02:31:57,240 --> 02:31:59,440
Speaker 1: we get down or hike and we get over there.

2638
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:03,200
Speaker 1: We just we know on a lower shoulder of a

2639
02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:05,400
Speaker 1: hill on the Reggy Cross from where we think crab

2640
02:32:05,480 --> 02:32:08,920
Speaker 1: clawl is, and we just we can't see in there.

2641
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:11,720
Speaker 1: And because I tend to think about think like a

2642
02:32:11,720 --> 02:32:16,280
Speaker 1: bow hunter, I tell Steve, let's roll, let's get off

2643
02:32:16,280 --> 02:32:18,080
Speaker 1: this hill. Let's get on the hill he's on and

2644
02:32:18,160 --> 02:32:20,960
Speaker 1: charge over the hill and just just surprise him and

2645
02:32:21,160 --> 02:32:24,640
Speaker 1: give him and shooting just shooting, just send one. Is

2646
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:31,480
Speaker 1: that how bowners think? He just starts shooting arrows just

2647
02:32:32,680 --> 02:32:37,560
Speaker 1: like this quiver has got five errors for a reason. Yeah,

2648
02:32:37,879 --> 02:32:41,119
Speaker 1: And so we go over there. Long story short, we

2649
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:44,240
Speaker 1: were headed over there and we spooked this buck. He

2650
02:32:44,320 --> 02:32:47,400
Speaker 1: jumps up out of another another cut on the same hill.

2651
02:32:47,959 --> 02:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Now we didn't see he jumps up goes over the

2652
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:56,400
Speaker 1: hill back up. What Yeah, on the spot crab claws. Yes,

2653
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:57,880
Speaker 1: we did. You didn't think it was cramp little, but

2654
02:32:58,000 --> 02:33:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that's it was. Oh you're talking that

2655
02:33:00,640 --> 02:33:04,080
Speaker 1: part of the time. Yeah, you're right, all right. Sorry,

2656
02:33:04,320 --> 02:33:09,160
Speaker 1: We go around the same pyramid hill that crab we

2657
02:33:09,160 --> 02:33:11,360
Speaker 1: thought crab claw was on. Well, some cows had gotten

2658
02:33:11,360 --> 02:33:13,080
Speaker 1: into his betting area, and I believe he ran around

2659
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:14,720
Speaker 1: the hill and betted on the side of what. We

2660
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:20,400
Speaker 1: didn't know that he was betting area. Got like marauded

2661
02:33:20,400 --> 02:33:25,040
Speaker 1: when the military takes over your stuff and uses it. Yeah,

2662
02:33:25,080 --> 02:33:27,120
Speaker 1: they're betting on got common deered by a group of

2663
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:31,400
Speaker 1: black angles who are really dainty, quiet animals I find

2664
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:36,080
Speaker 1: without resisting. Yeah, and so we're we're Steve. I see

2665
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:37,840
Speaker 1: a shed. Steve goes down to get it. We're on

2666
02:33:37,879 --> 02:33:42,600
Speaker 1: the side hill, this big Okato pyramid ridge, and I

2667
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,920
Speaker 1: look over and I see this buck jump up, big

2668
02:33:44,920 --> 02:33:46,760
Speaker 1: wide buck jump up and over the hill he goes.

2669
02:33:46,800 --> 02:33:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean he was, he was on the He waited

2670
02:33:48,760 --> 02:33:50,879
Speaker 1: till we were in the sha. He was seventy yards

2671
02:33:50,920 --> 02:33:52,920
Speaker 1: and we're staying there talking. We walked past him. Yeah,

2672
02:33:52,959 --> 02:33:55,360
Speaker 1: we walked past the picking up jet antlers, he jumps

2673
02:33:55,360 --> 02:33:58,039
Speaker 1: and runs. Well, we decided the best thing to do

2674
02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:01,320
Speaker 1: is just continue with our plan. Im into the shady

2675
02:34:01,360 --> 02:34:03,280
Speaker 1: area where we think the crab club bucket is. We're

2676
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:05,760
Speaker 1: not sure what buck we just jumped. We get up there,

2677
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:09,720
Speaker 1: it's it's devoid, full accounts and devoid a deer. So

2678
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,960
Speaker 1: we proceeded to decide that must have been him. It's

2679
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:13,880
Speaker 1: way to his hundred yards away from where we saw

2680
02:34:13,959 --> 02:34:19,119
Speaker 1: him and were in dirt, and Steve proceed to take

2681
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:21,720
Speaker 1: a two hour nap. There was a good shade up there. Well,

2682
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:26,040
Speaker 1: here's what happens. As long as I sleep on my

2683
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:29,280
Speaker 1: back on a tilt, I will have a what we

2684
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:34,680
Speaker 1: call a nappy. But something happens and I moved to

2685
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:38,480
Speaker 1: my side. It becomes a slumber. Yeah, And I don't

2686
02:34:38,480 --> 02:34:40,640
Speaker 1: know what happened. I remember taking my net gator and

2687
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:44,080
Speaker 1: like quadruple folding at the blackout the light, which was

2688
02:34:44,120 --> 02:34:47,039
Speaker 1: a mistake. And I was laying on my back and

2689
02:34:47,080 --> 02:34:48,640
Speaker 1: you get that kind of feeling when you're laying on

2690
02:34:48,640 --> 02:34:50,440
Speaker 1: your back and you're gonna choke on your own tongue

2691
02:34:50,520 --> 02:34:52,920
Speaker 1: or something. And I think I rolled on my side

2692
02:34:52,959 --> 02:34:54,400
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden woke up and I thought

2693
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:56,879
Speaker 1: it was around noon and it was two. Yeah, it

2694
02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:59,120
Speaker 1: was two. And I slept for five minutes, and I

2695
02:34:59,240 --> 02:35:01,400
Speaker 1: sat there and watched him sleep for the next hour.

2696
02:35:01,440 --> 02:35:05,120
Speaker 1: And then had weaved a basket from thee and yeah,

2697
02:35:05,160 --> 02:35:08,640
Speaker 1: I had glassed every hill and and yeah, I'm very

2698
02:35:08,640 --> 02:35:12,760
Speaker 1: sorry about that. It wasn't about news. Something that's too

2699
02:35:13,480 --> 02:35:18,880
Speaker 1: eating their sandwiches, turned their turn their scopes to full power.

2700
02:35:20,360 --> 02:35:23,560
Speaker 1: Not a lot of time. And anyway, we take our

2701
02:35:23,640 --> 02:35:25,960
Speaker 1: we'll speed this up. We take we take our nappy

2702
02:35:26,040 --> 02:35:32,000
Speaker 1: time and turned into a turn and now we're hunting.

2703
02:35:32,240 --> 02:35:34,120
Speaker 1: We're like, we gotta we gotta dial this thing up

2704
02:35:34,680 --> 02:35:37,320
Speaker 1: and find some deer. We screwed this, screwed the pooch

2705
02:35:37,320 --> 02:35:40,680
Speaker 1: on this one. I admittedly was too aggressive on these kids, dear,

2706
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:43,840
Speaker 1: So we get going up. We just go up the hill,

2707
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:46,240
Speaker 1: on to the very top of the tip we're sleeping

2708
02:35:46,280 --> 02:35:49,320
Speaker 1: on and start glass and immediate like doe buck, doe buck,

2709
02:35:49,400 --> 02:35:51,840
Speaker 1: doe buck buck. I know we're trying to move quick,

2710
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:55,400
Speaker 1: but I gotta add one quick face the area we

2711
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:59,040
Speaker 1: were going to look there was no perch it would

2712
02:35:59,080 --> 02:36:02,280
Speaker 1: allow you to pee. You're down into the zone, and

2713
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:04,480
Speaker 1: in those situations you do have to be like, actually,

2714
02:36:04,440 --> 02:36:07,920
Speaker 1: could never happen, and wait until they get up and

2715
02:36:07,959 --> 02:36:09,760
Speaker 1: maybe they'll move into an area where you can put

2716
02:36:09,800 --> 02:36:12,280
Speaker 1: a move on or you want up making the mistake

2717
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:16,480
Speaker 1: of thinking you're gonna find some secret perch, then you're

2718
02:36:16,480 --> 02:36:18,760
Speaker 1: moving around and bumping them and like, well maybe there

2719
02:36:18,840 --> 02:36:23,160
Speaker 1: isn't anyways, Well, it turns out we're we're up to

2720
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:27,360
Speaker 1: the northeast of this quadrant and and to the west

2721
02:36:27,400 --> 02:36:30,080
Speaker 1: of us at this point is uh dry creek bed

2722
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:34,040
Speaker 1: with some pools of water, and so I feel like

2723
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:36,640
Speaker 1: the deer started collecting in there. And as soon as

2724
02:36:36,640 --> 02:36:39,400
Speaker 1: it's maybe two thirty Steve's been awake for half an hour,

2725
02:36:39,959 --> 02:36:44,200
Speaker 1: We're on groggy everybody. We start, we start, we get

2726
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:48,720
Speaker 1: our knocks out and um we start glassing and immediately

2727
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:51,039
Speaker 1: pick up a bunch of deer. Well, not long after that,

2728
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:54,520
Speaker 1: we see old crab Crawl, who we just spooked, maybe

2729
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:58,320
Speaker 1: seven yards away across this canyon, chasing a dough across

2730
02:36:58,360 --> 02:37:01,400
Speaker 1: this sunlit knob. We're like, we gotta get over there

2731
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:03,400
Speaker 1: and cut him off. So we start hustling down this

2732
02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:05,640
Speaker 1: into the bottom of this creek, up past the soccer

2733
02:37:05,680 --> 02:37:08,320
Speaker 1: teo flatting onto a shoulder, and are going around this

2734
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:11,560
Speaker 1: ridge trying, you know, trying to figure out where this where.

2735
02:37:11,560 --> 02:37:14,280
Speaker 1: A crab claul may have chase this dough too, And

2736
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:16,640
Speaker 1: this time I swing my head over and I looked

2737
02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:21,199
Speaker 1: down on the same sun kissed ridge that we originally

2738
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:24,120
Speaker 1: saw crab clawl chasing the dough, and I see a

2739
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:28,280
Speaker 1: buck full on chasing the dough, just nose down and

2740
02:37:28,360 --> 02:37:32,920
Speaker 1: I look into My immediate reaction was that's a giant.

2741
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:37,280
Speaker 1: And I said out loud, that's a giant. And everybody

2742
02:37:37,320 --> 02:37:41,920
Speaker 1: looked over there, and it was obvious that El Gagante lived.

2743
02:37:42,120 --> 02:37:44,560
Speaker 1: A couple of things I want to interject real quick, No,

2744
02:37:44,640 --> 02:37:47,119
Speaker 1: these are these are essential bits. Yeah, because a lot

2745
02:37:47,160 --> 02:37:51,800
Speaker 1: of issues around the identity the identity of El Gegante

2746
02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:56,760
Speaker 1: versus the identity of the century buck. There's a lot

2747
02:37:56,760 --> 02:38:03,640
Speaker 1: of questions around. Yanny always warns people away from observing

2748
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:10,000
Speaker 1: a deer from behind and thinking it's big, because he says,

2749
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:14,840
Speaker 1: all dear look big, all big box look like big,

2750
02:38:14,920 --> 02:38:20,400
Speaker 1: huge giant box from behind. Also in Mexico, there is

2751
02:38:20,440 --> 02:38:24,440
Speaker 1: a lot of Catholic iconography hanging around the walls where

2752
02:38:24,440 --> 02:38:30,360
Speaker 1: people are have halos. Did you notice that, Yes, this

2753
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:35,360
Speaker 1: bok was haloed by intense setting sun that were also

2754
02:38:35,400 --> 02:38:38,720
Speaker 1: being blinded by And if there was a sound that

2755
02:38:38,760 --> 02:38:46,280
Speaker 1: accompanied my seeing Al Grigante, it would be because I'm

2756
02:38:46,360 --> 02:38:49,760
Speaker 1: looking at him from behind and he is illuminated as

2757
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:54,200
Speaker 1: though wearing a halo, as though being blessed by the heavens. Yes,

2758
02:38:54,640 --> 02:39:00,720
Speaker 1: and I said, yep, that's a big or something to

2759
02:39:00,760 --> 02:39:03,920
Speaker 1: that effect, something to the effect of, I'm telling you

2760
02:39:04,040 --> 02:39:07,640
Speaker 1: we started class. I was looking at a world's record.

2761
02:39:07,879 --> 02:39:13,640
Speaker 1: I thought I was looking at and keep and listen.

2762
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:16,199
Speaker 1: We'll get to that hearing about two or three hours.

2763
02:39:19,480 --> 02:39:22,480
Speaker 1: But Gagante was there, right, This is al Gadante. This

2764
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:26,240
Speaker 1: deer is a big old eight point with his huge

2765
02:39:26,400 --> 02:39:29,879
Speaker 1: mainframe and is his main beams wrap way around and

2766
02:39:29,959 --> 02:39:32,000
Speaker 1: up in the front, which makes him look like some

2767
02:39:32,080 --> 02:39:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of giant twelve point. Like he's got extra antlers.

2768
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:38,480
Speaker 1: I thought, for I thought, I thought that deer has

2769
02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:44,240
Speaker 1: six antlers per side by Arizona standards five five um.

2770
02:39:44,480 --> 02:39:47,280
Speaker 1: Photo evidence later revealed that no, he has four percent

2771
02:39:47,600 --> 02:39:52,119
Speaker 1: and so four percide but the most analyzed the Brooder film,

2772
02:39:52,200 --> 02:39:55,040
Speaker 1: the film the most and he's three yards away at

2773
02:39:55,040 --> 02:40:01,039
Speaker 1: this point and shootable distance, blazing sunlight black, and the

2774
02:40:01,080 --> 02:40:03,440
Speaker 1: setting sun is in our eyes. And so I'm laying

2775
02:40:03,440 --> 02:40:05,840
Speaker 1: down trying to get on some packs and shuffling around.

2776
02:40:05,840 --> 02:40:08,280
Speaker 1: This deer's is chasing the stuff up this ridge and

2777
02:40:08,320 --> 02:40:12,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna go down into this bottom and be gone. Well,

2778
02:40:12,480 --> 02:40:14,640
Speaker 1: the entire time that I'm trying to put my pack

2779
02:40:14,680 --> 02:40:16,960
Speaker 1: down and get my rifle set up, I hear dirt

2780
02:40:17,000 --> 02:40:19,920
Speaker 1: and my left ear going, oh my god, oh my god,

2781
02:40:20,520 --> 02:40:25,200
Speaker 1: oh oh, and my right here, right here, Steve going wow,

2782
02:40:27,240 --> 02:40:32,720
Speaker 1: oh wow. He is a giant. And I'm over there

2783
02:40:32,840 --> 02:40:38,440
Speaker 1: going no pressure. Boys. We once saw a buck they

2784
02:40:38,440 --> 02:40:41,119
Speaker 1: had gotten Apparently they had just been struck by a car,

2785
02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:45,440
Speaker 1: and so it had an antler that had busted off

2786
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:48,920
Speaker 1: and was hanging down across its face and under its jaw.

2787
02:40:49,040 --> 02:40:51,400
Speaker 1: And when I spotted I said to Yannie, it's a

2788
02:40:51,879 --> 02:40:57,160
Speaker 1: white time because I just saw something that didn't understand. Yeah,

2789
02:40:58,080 --> 02:41:01,040
Speaker 1: and later guys like buck of a life time, a

2790
02:41:01,080 --> 02:41:04,800
Speaker 1: forky who had just been run over. It depends on

2791
02:41:04,840 --> 02:41:09,800
Speaker 1: what lifetime. Anyway. At this point, I'm feeling like, holy,

2792
02:41:10,840 --> 02:41:13,680
Speaker 1: this is about to get real. I'm gonna get this

2793
02:41:13,680 --> 02:41:16,160
Speaker 1: thing in my scope and he's he's trailing his dough

2794
02:41:16,200 --> 02:41:19,080
Speaker 1: and he's not stopping for much. I get him in

2795
02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:22,840
Speaker 1: my scope. The sun is is whiting out most of

2796
02:41:22,879 --> 02:41:25,840
Speaker 1: my field of view. I can't see anything. I'm shuffling around.

2797
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a different path to get settled.

2798
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:29,640
Speaker 1: I want to make a clean shot on this deer.

2799
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:33,320
Speaker 1: He when he stops, he's facing completely away. So I

2800
02:41:33,360 --> 02:41:37,119
Speaker 1: got the Texas Hart shot and that's it. And at

2801
02:41:37,160 --> 02:41:39,039
Speaker 1: one point we move across the hillside to try to

2802
02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:41,039
Speaker 1: get a better shot. I had to get reset up.

2803
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:45,000
Speaker 1: We're all fumbling around. You're practicing incredible restraint. Yes, at

2804
02:41:45,040 --> 02:41:48,320
Speaker 1: one point I had him in the scope perfect and

2805
02:41:48,360 --> 02:41:51,560
Speaker 1: he just was and thinking at the time, this is

2806
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:54,119
Speaker 1: a world record deer. I could have either shot him

2807
02:41:54,120 --> 02:41:56,600
Speaker 1: in the neck or up the ass, but I chose.

2808
02:41:56,680 --> 02:42:00,080
Speaker 1: I just think, look, I'm not I respected dear of

2809
02:42:00,120 --> 02:42:01,800
Speaker 1: that big too much. Just to throw off some lead

2810
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:04,320
Speaker 1: over there and then and see what see what happens?

2811
02:42:05,440 --> 02:42:08,879
Speaker 1: And uh so we practiced that restraint. We go around

2812
02:42:08,879 --> 02:42:12,600
Speaker 1: the corner, shuffle back up, gets set up again. We're

2813
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:15,000
Speaker 1: glass on him, and the setting sun is just getting

2814
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:16,960
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse, and this could probably been

2815
02:42:16,959 --> 02:42:19,520
Speaker 1: a five minute time for it. And by the time

2816
02:42:19,680 --> 02:42:22,000
Speaker 1: he comes back up the hill after his dough and

2817
02:42:22,040 --> 02:42:25,760
Speaker 1: into the mesquite he's in shadow. We're in sun, and

2818
02:42:25,800 --> 02:42:29,000
Speaker 1: I can't see a damn thing. And so now Steve

2819
02:42:29,360 --> 02:42:33,720
Speaker 1: takes off his hat and starts holding it right above

2820
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:38,000
Speaker 1: to shade the sun right above my scope. And now

2821
02:42:38,040 --> 02:42:41,840
Speaker 1: we're doing the dance of like left, a little bit left, right,

2822
02:42:41,959 --> 02:42:45,280
Speaker 1: right right. It's worse is that's everything is so bright,

2823
02:42:45,320 --> 02:42:49,039
Speaker 1: but he's in a dark, little tight hole behind layers gone.

2824
02:42:49,080 --> 02:42:50,960
Speaker 1: And I saw his dog going up the hill and

2825
02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's gonna come after that dope, But it

2826
02:42:52,879 --> 02:42:55,360
Speaker 1: was just like pitch black and one. So at this

2827
02:42:55,400 --> 02:42:57,560
Speaker 1: point you can't even range it. So we had ranged

2828
02:42:58,040 --> 02:43:00,920
Speaker 1: close to where he was, about three fifty and so

2829
02:43:00,959 --> 02:43:02,400
Speaker 1: that's the guests. But you can't range it because you

2830
02:43:02,400 --> 02:43:05,480
Speaker 1: can't get your binos focused on the deer for the sunlight.

2831
02:43:06,280 --> 02:43:08,600
Speaker 1: And just like, oh, he's dear, you're you're on a clock.

2832
02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:12,040
Speaker 1: He's gonna disappear. Eventually, He's not come back out, and

2833
02:43:12,080 --> 02:43:14,720
Speaker 1: so I get set up, I find him and we

2834
02:43:14,760 --> 02:43:16,879
Speaker 1: sit there for what feels like an hour, but it's

2835
02:43:16,920 --> 02:43:20,880
Speaker 1: probably ten minutes where he's standing behind a yucca completely

2836
02:43:20,879 --> 02:43:22,920
Speaker 1: in the shade, and me and Steve are doing the

2837
02:43:23,800 --> 02:43:25,320
Speaker 1: who that had to left move it to the right.

2838
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:27,560
Speaker 1: Every time he moves. Every time I moved, that son

2839
02:43:27,720 --> 02:43:30,360
Speaker 1: sneaks under his hat brim and into my scope. But

2840
02:43:30,400 --> 02:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I can't see anything. Eventually I get lined up on

2841
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:35,400
Speaker 1: this deer and he needs to take one step. Well,

2842
02:43:35,400 --> 02:43:37,360
Speaker 1: he sees us now because we're over they're rolling around

2843
02:43:37,400 --> 02:43:41,000
Speaker 1: like idiots, and he sees us, and he's not going

2844
02:43:41,080 --> 02:43:44,000
Speaker 1: to take that step unless he's sure. Well, ten minutes

2845
02:43:44,040 --> 02:43:46,360
Speaker 1: goes by, Dirt's got him in the buyers. I got

2846
02:43:46,440 --> 02:43:49,840
Speaker 1: him in the scope. Steve's trying to my legs asleep.

2847
02:43:49,879 --> 02:43:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure parts of you, you know, your leg or

2848
02:43:52,080 --> 02:43:58,040
Speaker 1: something's asleep. And he takes one step, and now I

2849
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,720
Speaker 1: have this shadow of this deer and my right on him.

2850
02:44:01,120 --> 02:44:05,680
Speaker 1: I start pulling. I let it fly, and as soon

2851
02:44:05,720 --> 02:44:08,720
Speaker 1: as I let it fly, whiteness in the scope. The

2852
02:44:08,840 --> 02:44:11,040
Speaker 1: sun hits back on the scope and I can't see anything.

2853
02:44:11,360 --> 02:44:13,560
Speaker 1: And now I look, I get off the scope, I

2854
02:44:13,560 --> 02:44:16,520
Speaker 1: look back. I can't see anything. Dirt says, looks like

2855
02:44:16,560 --> 02:44:19,920
Speaker 1: it hit under him, and he wheeled around and ran

2856
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:23,400
Speaker 1: up the hill, tail up as healthy as he wasn't

2857
02:44:23,400 --> 02:44:25,800
Speaker 1: a minute as healthy as he was a minute ago.

2858
02:44:26,400 --> 02:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Elca Dante ran off into the sunset, and uh, we

2859
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:34,480
Speaker 1: were just at that point. I was sure I made

2860
02:44:34,520 --> 02:44:36,400
Speaker 1: a good shot, but I was I was pretty sure.

2861
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:39,760
Speaker 1: It was a difficult situation, Like there wasn't any distance,

2862
02:44:39,879 --> 02:44:44,320
Speaker 1: was a distance questionable, it was questionable, the you know,

2863
02:44:44,440 --> 02:44:46,680
Speaker 1: my field of view was questionable. It was all just

2864
02:44:46,760 --> 02:44:50,520
Speaker 1: kind of not the best situation. And you get like

2865
02:44:50,600 --> 02:44:54,039
Speaker 1: it happens to me, You get where because you think

2866
02:44:54,040 --> 02:44:57,080
Speaker 1: it's a big one. You right, Yes, if you were

2867
02:44:57,080 --> 02:44:59,800
Speaker 1: all trying to feel a doughteg, you'd be like, it's like,

2868
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:01,840
Speaker 1: it's take that shot. Let's just go find out. And

2869
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:05,320
Speaker 1: I previously taking the more ethical rout of like, oh

2870
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:08,880
Speaker 1: he's you know, and to me, it's being broadside is

2871
02:45:08,920 --> 02:45:12,800
Speaker 1: more important than than you know, those other factors. And

2872
02:45:12,840 --> 02:45:16,480
Speaker 1: so at that point, I feel like, well, i've i've

2873
02:45:16,840 --> 02:45:18,840
Speaker 1: I was comfortable with my trigger, pool I didn't yank

2874
02:45:18,879 --> 02:45:22,320
Speaker 1: on the thing, I held perfect, I felt good about

2875
02:45:22,320 --> 02:45:24,440
Speaker 1: the shot. I felt ethical at the time when I

2876
02:45:24,480 --> 02:45:26,959
Speaker 1: pulled the trigger, like that, all the factors being what

2877
02:45:27,000 --> 02:45:30,840
Speaker 1: they were I got the best out of the best scenario. Well,

2878
02:45:30,920 --> 02:45:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever I did it shoot under him or

2879
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:36,160
Speaker 1: whatever it was, I would I would guess that he

2880
02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:38,680
Speaker 1: was three eighty five and I was holding for three

2881
02:45:38,720 --> 02:45:42,480
Speaker 1: fifty shot under it. But we gotta go check for blood.

2882
02:45:42,480 --> 02:45:45,360
Speaker 1: So we go down this ridge, up over the sunny

2883
02:45:45,400 --> 02:45:47,120
Speaker 1: ridge he was on, down to the bottom and up

2884
02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:48,959
Speaker 1: over the next ridge, and Steve's in front of me.

2885
02:45:49,640 --> 02:45:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm behind, and Garrett's behind me, and I'll Steve, I'll

2886
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:55,480
Speaker 1: let you take it here because I want to hear here.

2887
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:57,240
Speaker 1: We get up to where we think it is, and

2888
02:45:57,280 --> 02:45:59,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden I see it dear's head and

2889
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:03,680
Speaker 1: I think it was wounded and is now jumped up,

2890
02:46:04,440 --> 02:46:06,760
Speaker 1: and he's fifteen yards away, and that's all to get away.

2891
02:46:06,840 --> 02:46:10,119
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, shooting the net, shooting the net, shooting

2892
02:46:10,160 --> 02:46:14,200
Speaker 1: the net because I think it's him, And Ben is

2893
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:17,480
Speaker 1: behind me. A little bit, throws up steep pitch, steep pitch,

2894
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:21,760
Speaker 1: a lot of grass, throws up his rifle. Bouch just

2895
02:46:22,280 --> 02:46:25,879
Speaker 1: runs away like even healthier or not, like almost like

2896
02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:28,119
Speaker 1: it charged up by the fact that it's the most

2897
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:34,920
Speaker 1: amazing display of athleticism into the next qu elliot, goold

2898
02:46:35,040 --> 02:46:38,000
Speaker 1: the levitated out of there, and but I but he's

2899
02:46:38,040 --> 02:46:39,680
Speaker 1: saying shoot him in the neck. And I look up

2900
02:46:39,720 --> 02:46:42,800
Speaker 1: and I see ears. I thought, like one of those

2901
02:46:42,800 --> 02:46:44,800
Speaker 1: things that there's nothing to lose because he's already you

2902
02:46:44,840 --> 02:46:47,560
Speaker 1: wounded him. Yeah, And so I took two steps forward

2903
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:49,480
Speaker 1: and same, I'm thinking the same thing. I gotta get

2904
02:46:50,040 --> 02:46:52,440
Speaker 1: a bullet in this animal again and finish him off.

2905
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:55,120
Speaker 1: So I kind of went to where I knew his

2906
02:46:55,160 --> 02:46:56,840
Speaker 1: ears were, which I went down to where I thought

2907
02:46:56,840 --> 02:47:00,040
Speaker 1: his neck wasn't shot basically into the grass, just to

2908
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:02,360
Speaker 1: get one in it and it that didn't condam and

2909
02:47:02,360 --> 02:47:04,560
Speaker 1: then we scoured the area for hair and blood and

2910
02:47:04,680 --> 02:47:06,680
Speaker 1: it was gone. He was he was as healthy as

2911
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:11,640
Speaker 1: we deturned that he was in fact exceedingly healthy, exceedingly healthy.

2912
02:47:11,720 --> 02:47:14,120
Speaker 1: And the walkout was was interesting because you kind of

2913
02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:15,720
Speaker 1: go through the motions that I missed it. There was

2914
02:47:15,760 --> 02:47:18,640
Speaker 1: a giant's world record buck and it was two hours

2915
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:22,080
Speaker 1: without proper communication, yeah from our pickup. Yeah, and the

2916
02:47:22,200 --> 02:47:24,360
Speaker 1: plenty of time to think. We we had the two hour,

2917
02:47:24,520 --> 02:47:28,320
Speaker 1: three mile hike out in nasty country, which led to

2918
02:47:29,080 --> 02:47:32,200
Speaker 1: fast forward the next morning. I feel like I've had

2919
02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:34,560
Speaker 1: my chance at al Gagante, and you might move back

2920
02:47:34,600 --> 02:47:36,720
Speaker 1: to I want to go back to l Surprises because

2921
02:47:36,720 --> 02:47:38,640
Speaker 1: I want John to get a chance, because I after

2922
02:47:38,760 --> 02:47:41,800
Speaker 1: up my chance. So I'm thinking it's only fair to

2923
02:47:41,879 --> 02:47:44,480
Speaker 1: let someone else back into the into the honey hoole,

2924
02:47:45,240 --> 02:47:47,280
Speaker 1: because I gotta you know, there needs to be some

2925
02:47:47,320 --> 02:47:50,000
Speaker 1: sort of reset based on my failure to get done

2926
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:52,800
Speaker 1: what should probably have been done in that in that case.

2927
02:47:53,080 --> 02:47:55,560
Speaker 1: So I just I think, in all fairness, I can't

2928
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:59,200
Speaker 1: just hog this area or this buck because I had

2929
02:47:59,240 --> 02:48:01,160
Speaker 1: my shot at him. You gotta give somebody else a shot.

2930
02:48:01,280 --> 02:48:03,840
Speaker 1: That's kind of an interesting question though, because there's a

2931
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:08,720
Speaker 1: they're all these like unspoken dynamics in a deer camp,

2932
02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of who shoots win and kind

2933
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:15,680
Speaker 1: of courtesy. And that's why you flip chunks of down. Yeah,

2934
02:48:17,640 --> 02:48:20,480
Speaker 1: you have a donk flip. You've got a situation where

2935
02:48:21,240 --> 02:48:23,800
Speaker 1: you know, Yanni wants me to shoot and I don't wanna,

2936
02:48:24,200 --> 02:48:26,879
Speaker 1: you know, I mean both for and again, everything I

2937
02:48:26,879 --> 02:48:30,840
Speaker 1: think is motivated by good, very positive feelings. But it's

2938
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:33,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting this code. I would never write the rule.

2939
02:48:33,720 --> 02:48:35,520
Speaker 1: I would never write a code down like that, But

2940
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:38,279
Speaker 1: I would say it's a whatever I feel in the moment.

2941
02:48:38,720 --> 02:48:43,440
Speaker 1: You know, whatever I feel like is right based on

2942
02:48:43,440 --> 02:48:45,840
Speaker 1: that situation and that set of circumstances. But when you

2943
02:48:45,879 --> 02:48:49,760
Speaker 1: say the code exists even though I don't think it

2944
02:48:49,879 --> 02:48:52,200
Speaker 1: is written right, well, I think that when you hang

2945
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:53,800
Speaker 1: out with if you're with them and you hang out

2946
02:48:53,800 --> 02:48:55,800
Speaker 1: with all the time, you just have established it. Like

2947
02:48:55,800 --> 02:48:57,120
Speaker 1: if you don't let's say you're with you to hang

2948
02:48:57,120 --> 02:48:59,080
Speaker 1: out all the time, you don't want to drive, you

2949
02:48:59,160 --> 02:49:01,200
Speaker 1: stick of driving to be like, dude, I'm not freaking

2950
02:49:01,280 --> 02:49:04,320
Speaker 1: drive not driving, and people be like, okay, cool, I'll

2951
02:49:04,360 --> 02:49:06,920
Speaker 1: drive every with people. You don't know. You can't come

2952
02:49:06,920 --> 02:49:09,040
Speaker 1: down the parking lot and be like, tell you one thing,

2953
02:49:09,240 --> 02:49:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm not driving. Yeah. There, you're gonna get marked as

2954
02:49:12,760 --> 02:49:15,560
Speaker 1: an a hole, right, So you gotta be like, oh,

2955
02:49:15,680 --> 02:49:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, well I could drive even well I don't know.

2956
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, do you want well, I'm not dying to drive,

2957
02:49:23,200 --> 02:49:25,000
Speaker 1: but I mean if you really don't want, you know,

2958
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:27,240
Speaker 1: if you don't want to drive, I suppose I mean

2959
02:49:27,280 --> 02:49:30,879
Speaker 1: I'll kill Gagante. Yeah. So's it just has a it's

2960
02:49:30,879 --> 02:49:34,760
Speaker 1: a matter of whether you've been around each other long enough.

2961
02:49:35,320 --> 02:49:38,320
Speaker 1: But I think it is important in those situations to

2962
02:49:38,440 --> 02:49:40,760
Speaker 1: talk about, Like I brought this up before, my brother

2963
02:49:41,720 --> 02:49:44,400
Speaker 1: carrying moose is hard. My brother when they when when

2964
02:49:44,480 --> 02:49:47,280
Speaker 1: Danny keep mentioned different brother, but my brother Dany when

2965
02:49:47,280 --> 02:49:50,640
Speaker 1: they go on the moose trips putting out of their boats,

2966
02:49:51,080 --> 02:49:54,680
Speaker 1: they like, right off the bat, let's agree, how far

2967
02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:56,520
Speaker 1: are we going to carry a bowl so that when

2968
02:49:56,520 --> 02:50:00,960
Speaker 1: we all split up, we know off that river corridor. Yeah,

2969
02:50:01,240 --> 02:50:03,080
Speaker 1: someone can't come back to camp and be like I

2970
02:50:03,160 --> 02:50:05,520
Speaker 1: was really tempted and shot one five miles off the

2971
02:50:05,640 --> 02:50:08,800
Speaker 1: river and lay that and everyone so that everyone now

2972
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:11,200
Speaker 1: that he's spent all those days carrying the bull, they're like,

2973
02:50:11,440 --> 02:50:13,160
Speaker 1: what are we gonna make? Is it a mile? Is

2974
02:50:13,160 --> 02:50:15,640
Speaker 1: it two miles? And three miles? And when we make

2975
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:18,480
Speaker 1: the rule, don't violate the rule exactly, don't come tell

2976
02:50:18,520 --> 02:50:20,880
Speaker 1: me you shot some bowl and now I'm going to

2977
02:50:20,959 --> 02:50:23,800
Speaker 1: devote my whole trip to carry in your bowl. Yeah.

2978
02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean that that. I mean that's and with moose,

2979
02:50:26,320 --> 02:50:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean you've got to may big thing you've got

2980
02:50:28,160 --> 02:50:30,480
Speaker 1: to do. But there's a I don't know, I guess

2981
02:50:30,520 --> 02:50:34,680
Speaker 1: I find it an interesting this sort of there's a graciousness, yes,

2982
02:50:35,200 --> 02:50:38,720
Speaker 1: because nobody here there's nobody here that this is a

2983
02:50:38,840 --> 02:50:40,840
Speaker 1: once It's a once in a lifetime in a way.

2984
02:50:40,879 --> 02:50:43,720
Speaker 1: But you also understand that that this is a this

2985
02:50:43,800 --> 02:50:46,800
Speaker 1: is a unique opportunity that we all get fairly frequently.

2986
02:50:47,879 --> 02:50:51,440
Speaker 1: You know, this is something that I know that that

2987
02:50:51,680 --> 02:50:53,800
Speaker 1: there's no there's no reason for me to have any

2988
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:57,120
Speaker 1: inkling of selfishness in regards to the giant cues deer

2989
02:50:57,120 --> 02:50:59,600
Speaker 1: that I saw like that at first, it's not my

2990
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:01,520
Speaker 1: right to have that because I because I don't have

2991
02:51:01,520 --> 02:51:03,920
Speaker 1: any history with it. I haven't earned anything in regards

2992
02:51:03,959 --> 02:51:08,560
Speaker 1: to that deer. Um there was a lot of luck

2993
02:51:08,640 --> 02:51:12,000
Speaker 1: based on the discovery of and me pulling the trigger.

2994
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:17,160
Speaker 1: So I I feel like, as decorum states, give someone

2995
02:51:17,200 --> 02:51:18,960
Speaker 1: else a chance to have that same piece of luck,

2996
02:51:19,000 --> 02:51:23,160
Speaker 1: because you know, and I've I've probably harmed in my

2997
02:51:23,280 --> 02:51:26,240
Speaker 1: missing the deer, harmed his chance to have his chance

2998
02:51:26,240 --> 02:51:28,560
Speaker 1: to see it and shoot at And so he's going

2999
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:32,600
Speaker 1: and probably handicapped by my failure at some level. And

3000
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:34,520
Speaker 1: that's why I just go through those feelings. And when

3001
02:51:34,560 --> 02:51:37,240
Speaker 1: you're successful and somebody's hunting an area and then you

3002
02:51:37,320 --> 02:51:39,039
Speaker 1: jump back in and hunt it and shoot a deer

3003
02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:41,440
Speaker 1: that they never saw, I there's some guilt there, right,

3004
02:51:41,440 --> 02:51:44,000
Speaker 1: because you didn't work as hard to pick a part

3005
02:51:44,040 --> 02:51:46,680
Speaker 1: in area and discovery had any discovery. Yeah, there's like

3006
02:51:46,720 --> 02:51:50,360
Speaker 1: the same plain simple rule of like if mom was happy, happy,

3007
02:51:50,480 --> 02:51:53,600
Speaker 1: everybody's happy. And I always kind of feel like, I

3008
02:51:53,720 --> 02:51:55,760
Speaker 1: know how I'll come out at the end of the

3009
02:51:55,840 --> 02:52:02,960
Speaker 1: hunt if I don't have a deer, like yeah, but

3010
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,640
Speaker 1: if like someone else doesn't have a deer, I'm like,

3011
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:09,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have like the sympathy for that, and that

3012
02:52:09,640 --> 02:52:12,080
Speaker 1: almost would rather not have that and just be like

3013
02:52:12,120 --> 02:52:14,640
Speaker 1: I didn't get a deer bummer everybody else did, though,

3014
02:52:14,680 --> 02:52:18,160
Speaker 1: Sweet let's go home. That's a perfect, you know, transition

3015
02:52:18,200 --> 02:52:23,040
Speaker 1: to the deer I did kill because this is what

3016
02:52:23,160 --> 02:52:28,080
Speaker 1: Two days later, now we'd go try to get else surprised. Oh,

3017
02:52:28,400 --> 02:52:32,560
Speaker 1: and then the last day, which is yesterday, we decide

3018
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:35,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna full core press the southwest corner. John gets

3019
02:52:35,480 --> 02:52:38,120
Speaker 1: the centry John gets a centry buck. We put the

3020
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:40,840
Speaker 1: moves on a new brand new buck. Yeah, we'll call

3021
02:52:40,920 --> 02:52:43,879
Speaker 1: him brand new. We haven't named him yet, branded the

3022
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:46,560
Speaker 1: previously unknown briefly unknown bucks. We go up on it.

3023
02:52:46,600 --> 02:52:47,760
Speaker 1: Steve and I go up on a tit and sit

3024
02:52:47,800 --> 02:52:49,200
Speaker 1: all day in the sun and the shade and have

3025
02:52:49,280 --> 02:52:52,359
Speaker 1: that experience of it just met. Your eyes are bleeding.

3026
02:52:52,440 --> 02:52:54,760
Speaker 1: You've looked over this country a million times. You can't

3027
02:52:54,800 --> 02:52:57,280
Speaker 1: look behind another damn bush and see another damn single

3028
02:52:57,360 --> 02:53:00,760
Speaker 1: dough walking around with a fawn. H You just don't

3029
02:53:00,800 --> 02:53:02,680
Speaker 1: want to see it anymore. You want to see the

3030
02:53:02,680 --> 02:53:05,600
Speaker 1: thing you're after. Like and and I was getting a

3031
02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:08,200
Speaker 1: little bit just kind of groggy and frustrated and tired

3032
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:11,879
Speaker 1: of sitting under a damn bush and couch it. And uh,

3033
02:53:12,120 --> 02:53:15,200
Speaker 1: we finally see We sat there all day on the

3034
02:53:15,240 --> 02:53:18,360
Speaker 1: same knob from eight, from about seven thirty eight to

3035
02:53:18,600 --> 02:53:24,480
Speaker 1: what time was it three? So when Steve spots this

3036
02:53:24,600 --> 02:53:29,000
Speaker 1: unknown buck around the same knob as we hunted the

3037
02:53:29,640 --> 02:53:32,600
Speaker 1: first hunted, the crowd club buck, we we start getting

3038
02:53:32,600 --> 02:53:35,000
Speaker 1: after him and I'm with his nose up the keys

3039
02:53:35,000 --> 02:53:37,879
Speaker 1: throws a four doors four does I'm in John's situation,

3040
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:40,240
Speaker 1: I mean fully in kill mode. We're gonna get across

3041
02:53:40,240 --> 02:53:42,240
Speaker 1: this ridgeon kill this deer, and it has to happen

3042
02:53:42,280 --> 02:53:44,560
Speaker 1: now or it's not gonna happen. So there's like a

3043
02:53:45,360 --> 02:53:49,280
Speaker 1: the the intensity is up, and we we pack up

3044
02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:52,959
Speaker 1: and we start going down this hill we're going, and

3045
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:55,640
Speaker 1: we're we're doing the old baby deer walk on the

3046
02:53:55,720 --> 02:53:58,520
Speaker 1: freaking lava rocks, you know, twisting your angles and turning

3047
02:53:58,520 --> 02:54:00,840
Speaker 1: your knees and just trying to putting your hand on

3048
02:54:00,959 --> 02:54:02,720
Speaker 1: a bush or down here, and trying to get down

3049
02:54:02,720 --> 02:54:06,600
Speaker 1: this hill. I'm in the lead, and we're going down

3050
02:54:06,600 --> 02:54:10,040
Speaker 1: this slope towards the river bottom, and i've my right

3051
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:11,920
Speaker 1: foot slips out, my left foot goes in the air,

3052
02:54:11,920 --> 02:54:14,920
Speaker 1: and my left hand goes back to brace my fall,

3053
02:54:15,000 --> 02:54:17,600
Speaker 1: as we all probably did three or four dozen times

3054
02:54:18,240 --> 02:54:21,160
Speaker 1: during the hunt. My left hand goes straight back down

3055
02:54:21,760 --> 02:54:24,879
Speaker 1: and into what do they call it a chola cactus,

3056
02:54:27,320 --> 02:54:33,480
Speaker 1: just child a choya cactus, which sports many hundreds of

3057
02:54:34,040 --> 02:54:39,960
Speaker 1: sharp ass pointy thorns. And I gotta say, I looked

3058
02:54:39,959 --> 02:54:43,039
Speaker 1: down at my hand, and it's not yet bleeding, but

3059
02:54:43,080 --> 02:54:45,760
Speaker 1: I can see that there's probably a hundred and fifty

3060
02:54:46,440 --> 02:54:48,480
Speaker 1: or as many as you could fit on one guy's

3061
02:54:48,520 --> 02:54:51,959
Speaker 1: hand thorns sticking out of my hand. And my first

3062
02:54:51,959 --> 02:54:55,840
Speaker 1: thought is this is gonna hurt real bad in a second.

3063
02:54:55,840 --> 02:54:58,080
Speaker 1: But it doesn't hurt right now. My first thought is

3064
02:54:58,120 --> 02:55:02,280
Speaker 1: what time is it. That's by the time you get

3065
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:04,920
Speaker 1: all those thorns out, it'll be dark. Yeah, So my

3066
02:55:04,959 --> 02:55:07,200
Speaker 1: first thought is A hundred and fifty is a lot.

3067
02:55:07,800 --> 02:55:10,200
Speaker 1: What time is it? Because how quickly can I get

3068
02:55:10,200 --> 02:55:12,200
Speaker 1: these things out of my damn hand? One of them

3069
02:55:12,240 --> 02:55:13,920
Speaker 1: is like almost all the way through my finger. The

3070
02:55:13,959 --> 02:55:15,600
Speaker 1: other one is stuck in my wrist and like a

3071
02:55:15,680 --> 02:55:18,200
Speaker 1: vein if you pull on it, and like one of

3072
02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:23,160
Speaker 1: my eyelashes move like there's some ship going on in

3073
02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:25,680
Speaker 1: my hand. But my thought, my first initial thought was

3074
02:55:25,720 --> 02:55:28,640
Speaker 1: how much time is there left? Because this is this

3075
02:55:28,720 --> 02:55:32,640
Speaker 1: is an impediment to me getting the old this new

3076
02:55:32,680 --> 02:55:36,680
Speaker 1: bucket shown up. So Steve starts trying to pull these out,

3077
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:38,200
Speaker 1: and as he starts to pull him out, he gets

3078
02:55:38,240 --> 02:55:40,720
Speaker 1: him in his in his hand, and now I'm trying

3079
02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:42,640
Speaker 1: to pull him out, and as I pull him out

3080
02:55:42,640 --> 02:55:44,480
Speaker 1: of my left hand, they're getting stuck in my right hand.

3081
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:47,600
Speaker 1: And so eventually it just has to I just start

3082
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:50,640
Speaker 1: yanking these things out and I get him mostly, if

3083
02:55:50,640 --> 02:55:52,760
Speaker 1: not all, out of my hand. Now there's blood everywhere,

3084
02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:57,200
Speaker 1: and uh, Steve even took time to call us on

3085
02:55:57,240 --> 02:55:59,880
Speaker 1: the radio to be like Ben fell into a gag

3086
02:56:00,320 --> 02:56:05,080
Speaker 1: and he's got blood everywhere. It's not looking good and

3087
02:56:05,120 --> 02:56:07,120
Speaker 1: he's saying to me, like that's gonna hurt later, Like

3088
02:56:08,080 --> 02:56:11,560
Speaker 1: you're fucked man, that that kind of deal. And uh,

3089
02:56:11,560 --> 02:56:13,920
Speaker 1: And I was feeling like the ones at my wrist

3090
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:15,920
Speaker 1: when I pulled on him. I'm telling you, like my

3091
02:56:16,240 --> 02:56:19,680
Speaker 1: pinky nail just twitched. They were they was attached some

3092
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:22,760
Speaker 1: nerve or something. So anyway, I finally get all these

3093
02:56:22,760 --> 02:56:24,880
Speaker 1: things out. I remember there's one big bird and like

3094
02:56:25,000 --> 02:56:27,160
Speaker 1: under my pinky that I just had to close my

3095
02:56:27,200 --> 02:56:29,160
Speaker 1: eyes and do one of those like ripping the shark

3096
02:56:29,200 --> 02:56:30,720
Speaker 1: tooth out of your thigh. I mean, after you got

3097
02:56:30,720 --> 02:56:34,360
Speaker 1: bit rip that thing out and stood up and like,

3098
02:56:34,440 --> 02:56:37,320
Speaker 1: let's go. I guess we gotta go. It sucks. So

3099
02:56:37,400 --> 02:56:39,080
Speaker 1: we get down the hill and up the other side,

3100
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:41,400
Speaker 1: and we're up on this road and about three yards

3101
02:56:41,440 --> 02:56:44,240
Speaker 1: and where we know this buck to be, and we start.

3102
02:56:44,320 --> 02:56:47,400
Speaker 1: We I immediately look over to Steve and you'd feel

3103
02:56:47,400 --> 02:56:49,560
Speaker 1: the wind in the exact wrong direction it needs to

3104
02:56:49,560 --> 02:56:52,000
Speaker 1: be for us to kill something. So we get around

3105
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:53,960
Speaker 1: close to where we might be able to see these deer,

3106
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:56,560
Speaker 1: and of course there's what five or six does, and

3107
02:56:56,600 --> 02:56:58,760
Speaker 1: a small bucket between us and in the country that

3108
02:56:59,160 --> 02:57:02,040
Speaker 1: way more deer and we thought way more dear. The

3109
02:57:02,080 --> 02:57:04,920
Speaker 1: wind is wrong. There's way more dear than we thought.

3110
02:57:06,120 --> 02:57:09,160
Speaker 1: It kind of seems like my hand is thriving. It

3111
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:10,920
Speaker 1: seems like there's like that the hunt is kind of

3112
02:57:10,959 --> 02:57:13,440
Speaker 1: gasping for air, like this is it's over. We're just

3113
02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:16,119
Speaker 1: kind of playing around at this. We're not gonna get

3114
02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:18,680
Speaker 1: this in real We're not gonna actually hunt this deer.

3115
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:21,520
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking it's over, but we're still gonna go

3116
02:57:21,560 --> 02:57:23,360
Speaker 1: through the motions and go try to find this thing.

3117
02:57:24,120 --> 02:57:26,560
Speaker 1: We get going up this ridge where we know the

3118
02:57:26,600 --> 02:57:28,960
Speaker 1: deers on. We spook a few more doughes and fawns,

3119
02:57:29,000 --> 02:57:31,640
Speaker 1: look around, there's no deer. Like I think you probably

3120
02:57:31,720 --> 02:57:35,600
Speaker 1: knew Steve that that thing's gone thirty minutes before we

3121
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:38,520
Speaker 1: because of the smell, because of the number of deer

3122
02:57:38,760 --> 02:57:40,879
Speaker 1: failing through where they went. So we get up to

3123
02:57:40,879 --> 02:57:42,640
Speaker 1: the top of the ridge where to look around to

3124
02:57:42,680 --> 02:57:45,640
Speaker 1: see maybe if he's still hanging around chasing does and

3125
02:57:45,760 --> 02:57:51,040
Speaker 1: he's not there. So I kind of sit down and

3126
02:57:51,160 --> 02:57:53,600
Speaker 1: what Yanni said came to my mind, like everybody else

3127
02:57:53,640 --> 02:57:57,080
Speaker 1: got deer and I didn't. That's awesome, Like if it's

3128
02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:59,360
Speaker 1: if somebody wasn't gonna dear, I'm glad it's me and

3129
02:57:59,360 --> 02:58:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't have to, you know, feel bad for anybody

3130
02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:04,039
Speaker 1: else working their ass off and nothing. At least I

3131
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:10,480
Speaker 1: got mine, and thinking that, don't flip, you're one, don't

3132
02:58:10,520 --> 02:58:13,960
Speaker 1: flip away from sitting on that sun. So I'm sundown

3133
02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:16,879
Speaker 1: and on a Mexican mountain like watching this sun go down,

3134
02:58:17,040 --> 02:58:20,280
Speaker 1: Like what a beautiful sun down. This is fantastic. I

3135
02:58:20,680 --> 02:58:24,640
Speaker 1: didn't get a deer, but what wonderful experiences I've had

3136
02:58:24,720 --> 02:58:28,240
Speaker 1: here with my friends and getting all, you know, if

3137
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:31,680
Speaker 1: I had a journalize the road in it. And then

3138
02:58:31,800 --> 02:58:34,720
Speaker 1: I hear Steve, hey, hey, hey, come here. I go

3139
02:58:34,840 --> 02:58:36,200
Speaker 1: up the hill to where he is, and he's like,

3140
02:58:36,400 --> 02:58:38,000
Speaker 1: they got a buck spot at Yon. He's gonna come

3141
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:39,600
Speaker 1: down to meet us if we get if we're we

3142
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:43,160
Speaker 1: go really quick, we can get him. I'm like, oh yeah,

3143
02:58:43,240 --> 02:58:46,600
Speaker 1: right right right. If we go quick, we'll just run

3144
02:58:47,200 --> 02:58:50,000
Speaker 1: down the Lava Rock mountain. I'll fall in another cactus

3145
02:58:50,120 --> 02:58:54,320
Speaker 1: and I'll die for this deer. But anyway we get

3146
02:58:54,320 --> 02:58:56,000
Speaker 1: going down the hill, we're gonna do it right. We're

3147
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:59,560
Speaker 1: going through those motions because you have to um even

3148
02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:01,720
Speaker 1: if you think gets over. So we started getting down

3149
02:59:01,760 --> 02:59:03,959
Speaker 1: this one, ravine up the other one getting the same

3150
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:07,280
Speaker 1: RIGGIANI was glassing from. He comes down the hill. He

3151
02:59:07,320 --> 02:59:10,280
Speaker 1: comes striding down the hill, looking confident as ever. And

3152
02:59:10,280 --> 02:59:13,360
Speaker 1: I immediately look at him and like, okay, I think

3153
02:59:13,640 --> 02:59:15,760
Speaker 1: he's got some confidence in that there's a plan to

3154
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:18,320
Speaker 1: maybe make something happen. Yeah, we were, we were what

3155
02:59:18,520 --> 02:59:25,520
Speaker 1: six hundred sixty ish yards away? Right, Garrett spotted two dolls,

3156
02:59:25,760 --> 02:59:28,640
Speaker 1: and ten minutes later I went back to glass these doughs,

3157
02:59:28,760 --> 02:59:32,280
Speaker 1: and one's running, you know, across the hillside. Yeah, you go,

3158
02:59:32,760 --> 02:59:35,080
Speaker 1: I wonder what's that, what that's all about? And sure

3159
02:59:35,160 --> 02:59:38,160
Speaker 1: enough buck, Yeah, And at this point it's what it's

3160
02:59:38,440 --> 02:59:41,080
Speaker 1: last shooting late, it's five thirty, maybe it's five oh five.

3161
02:59:42,120 --> 02:59:45,959
Speaker 1: That's something in that range. Definitely passed on up. And

3162
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:48,160
Speaker 1: I've given them mentally, I've kind of given I already

3163
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:50,080
Speaker 1: had that sundown moment. So I'm like, this is just

3164
02:59:50,200 --> 02:59:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, a little extra overtime or whatever, fun nightcap.

3165
02:59:55,280 --> 02:59:58,600
Speaker 1: It's a little nightcap. Yeah. Well, actually we'll just John

3166
02:59:58,680 --> 03:00:00,360
Speaker 1: over here and now I'll scarce more deer and then

3167
03:00:00,400 --> 03:00:04,840
Speaker 1: we'll go back to America. And so we get going

3168
03:00:04,959 --> 03:00:08,920
Speaker 1: over there, and I could just see in Yanni's like determined.

3169
03:00:09,240 --> 03:00:11,200
Speaker 1: And that's another thing, Like you start hunt with a

3170
03:00:11,240 --> 03:00:13,320
Speaker 1: group of people and you know that they're determined for

3171
03:00:13,800 --> 03:00:16,360
Speaker 1: for there, everyone to get a buck and everybody to

3172
03:00:16,440 --> 03:00:19,320
Speaker 1: have success, and like that determinations like okay, well yeah,

3173
03:00:19,360 --> 03:00:23,000
Speaker 1: maybe maybe this can happen. It's happened to me before.

3174
03:00:23,440 --> 03:00:25,400
Speaker 1: So we start getting over there. We get over to

3175
03:00:25,480 --> 03:00:29,160
Speaker 1: the to the area where the buck is. Yanni gets

3176
03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:31,600
Speaker 1: pointed in the right direction. We get over It's just

3177
03:00:31,680 --> 03:00:34,320
Speaker 1: a small ridge that's kind of covered in some cedars

3178
03:00:34,760 --> 03:00:36,600
Speaker 1: where we were kind of in some mesquites where we

3179
03:00:36,640 --> 03:00:39,640
Speaker 1: were kind of covered a little bit. We we I

3180
03:00:39,720 --> 03:00:41,560
Speaker 1: lay my pack down, he lays his back down. I

3181
03:00:41,640 --> 03:00:44,120
Speaker 1: put the rifle pointed to where Yanni thinks the buck

3182
03:00:44,200 --> 03:00:48,440
Speaker 1: might be. Well, at this point, it's like dark looking

3183
03:00:48,480 --> 03:00:50,760
Speaker 1: through the scope. You can see shadowy figures that look

3184
03:00:50,840 --> 03:00:53,800
Speaker 1: like deer and trees, and but there's enough light in

3185
03:00:53,840 --> 03:00:57,760
Speaker 1: the scope to make a shot ethically. And every minute

3186
03:00:57,840 --> 03:00:59,920
Speaker 1: that's getting you know, working on a ticking clock, just

3187
03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:02,040
Speaker 1: like you're talking about that dial, it's already clicked over

3188
03:01:02,200 --> 03:01:06,640
Speaker 1: to the dusk. I mean it's clicked and we're looking

3189
03:01:06,720 --> 03:01:09,600
Speaker 1: at this dough and Yanni's sports spots this dough at

3190
03:01:09,600 --> 03:01:12,480
Speaker 1: two and twenty yards, and we're waiting for the buck

3191
03:01:12,600 --> 03:01:16,880
Speaker 1: to kind of run up behind the dough, right, Joannie, Yeah,

3192
03:01:16,920 --> 03:01:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean we're just I mean, at least we had

3193
03:01:18,920 --> 03:01:21,880
Speaker 1: eyes on a beer. Yeah, we're, you know, hoping that

3194
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:24,240
Speaker 1: the box around there somewhere, and he's gonna show himself

3195
03:01:24,360 --> 03:01:28,280
Speaker 1: before it's you know, pitch black. I looked to the

3196
03:01:28,400 --> 03:01:31,160
Speaker 1: left of where this deer is this. That deer runs

3197
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:33,360
Speaker 1: off the ridge we're looking at. I look to the left.

3198
03:01:33,400 --> 03:01:36,000
Speaker 1: As it runs, I see another dough coming up the

3199
03:01:36,080 --> 03:01:40,120
Speaker 1: same ridge to our left at about two yards, and

3200
03:01:40,280 --> 03:01:42,520
Speaker 1: I go to get back on my gun, just thinking

3201
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:44,480
Speaker 1: maybe this buck is behind. And as I'm getting in

3202
03:01:44,520 --> 03:01:46,200
Speaker 1: the scope, Yanni goes there he is. He's right there,

3203
03:01:46,200 --> 03:01:48,640
Speaker 1: He's right there's right there. He's following her. He's going

3204
03:01:48,760 --> 03:01:51,560
Speaker 1: the same pass he was nose down just getting After

3205
03:01:52,360 --> 03:01:54,560
Speaker 1: I get on the scope, I find him. There's that

3206
03:01:54,720 --> 03:01:59,000
Speaker 1: tall yellow grass is she's kind of shrouding my scope.

3207
03:01:59,040 --> 03:02:01,000
Speaker 1: I can still see line, but I've got this yellow

3208
03:02:01,080 --> 03:02:03,960
Speaker 1: haze between me and this deer. I get him in

3209
03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:06,119
Speaker 1: the scope and I'm following him, and Yanni starts making

3210
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:10,440
Speaker 1: that noise. What does that sound like? That one? I

3211
03:02:10,520 --> 03:02:14,880
Speaker 1: started with it, man, and then it was like and

3212
03:02:14,920 --> 03:02:18,920
Speaker 1: they're like, he eventually stops once, but he didn't stop

3213
03:02:19,080 --> 03:02:21,320
Speaker 1: forms but a split sat I think he heard hey,

3214
03:02:21,400 --> 03:02:25,240
Speaker 1: and he's like, really, are you yelling at me? Trying

3215
03:02:25,280 --> 03:02:28,000
Speaker 1: to I'm trying to chase this still around, so I'm

3216
03:02:28,040 --> 03:02:30,160
Speaker 1: one a at this one. I'm tracking him. I'm moving

3217
03:02:30,200 --> 03:02:32,280
Speaker 1: around the grass. I can't. I don't have the best

3218
03:02:32,760 --> 03:02:36,160
Speaker 1: view of this deer. Yanni gives him another Hey. He

3219
03:02:36,320 --> 03:02:39,640
Speaker 1: turns around. He's courting severely. Way I put the cross

3220
03:02:39,680 --> 03:02:42,960
Speaker 1: airs on him. I feel good. Boom, pull the trigger again,

3221
03:02:43,160 --> 03:02:46,800
Speaker 1: lose everything and it's over. You know. I got a

3222
03:02:46,840 --> 03:02:48,560
Speaker 1: shot off. And then immediately after I pulled the trigger,

3223
03:02:48,560 --> 03:02:50,320
Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, I got a shot off at a

3224
03:02:50,400 --> 03:02:53,360
Speaker 1: deer and I feel good about it. Holy wow. That

3225
03:02:53,480 --> 03:02:55,760
Speaker 1: in and of itself is yeah, only two yards, so

3226
03:02:56,160 --> 03:02:58,280
Speaker 1: one't too far away, you know, And it was it was,

3227
03:02:58,520 --> 03:03:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, a good shot. He was, you know, quartering away,

3228
03:03:01,560 --> 03:03:06,600
Speaker 1: completely standing still. I had, you know, a good field

3229
03:03:06,600 --> 03:03:09,840
Speaker 1: of view with the deer, and uh, honestly, I think

3230
03:03:09,840 --> 03:03:11,880
Speaker 1: I heard it hit. He spun and went downhill. And

3231
03:03:11,959 --> 03:03:13,280
Speaker 1: those are all things you want to hear when you

3232
03:03:13,320 --> 03:03:16,160
Speaker 1: shoot at something. So we went over and looked, and

3233
03:03:16,200 --> 03:03:17,760
Speaker 1: we get him over the hill, and I'm thinking, if

3234
03:03:17,800 --> 03:03:21,440
Speaker 1: I missed this deer, that only adds to the pain

3235
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:28,040
Speaker 1: of the fact that El Gagante is running around here somewhere. Yeah,

3236
03:03:28,040 --> 03:03:30,279
Speaker 1: I got a hundred fifty cacti and that thing's throbbing,

3237
03:03:31,120 --> 03:03:32,920
Speaker 1: and I'm still I looked down in my hand every

3238
03:03:32,959 --> 03:03:34,120
Speaker 1: once in a while with the head lamp, and I

3239
03:03:34,200 --> 03:03:36,160
Speaker 1: could see that there's more thorns in there that I

3240
03:03:36,440 --> 03:03:38,320
Speaker 1: haven't pulled out. So I got some more work to do.

3241
03:03:38,959 --> 03:03:40,680
Speaker 1: We get over there and that and that deer's laying

3242
03:03:41,440 --> 03:03:43,840
Speaker 1: ten yards from where I shot at him, twenty yards

3243
03:03:43,879 --> 03:03:47,160
Speaker 1: and he's dead. And it took me probably till we

3244
03:03:47,280 --> 03:03:48,720
Speaker 1: got back to the ranger we packed him out, and

3245
03:03:48,760 --> 03:03:50,440
Speaker 1: getting him out and packed him out to be like, wow,

3246
03:03:51,080 --> 03:03:56,280
Speaker 1: that happened. Like from the sundowning ridge to the dead

3247
03:03:56,360 --> 03:04:00,520
Speaker 1: deer was about twenty minutes, maybe five minutes, and then

3248
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:03,000
Speaker 1: another hour and half to the range. And those two hours,

3249
03:04:03,320 --> 03:04:06,640
Speaker 1: the entire structure of the hunt and what you think

3250
03:04:06,680 --> 03:04:11,200
Speaker 1: about it changed. And that's that's why it's awesome. That's

3251
03:04:11,240 --> 03:04:14,160
Speaker 1: why Honey is great, because that can happen, and it did.

3252
03:04:15,280 --> 03:04:21,080
Speaker 1: Potentially nameless buck or we saw about Yanny and I

3253
03:04:21,160 --> 03:04:23,119
Speaker 1: saw a buck the day before down in that zone.

3254
03:04:23,160 --> 03:04:24,600
Speaker 1: We were hunting him. I mean we were in there

3255
03:04:24,800 --> 03:04:27,800
Speaker 1: glassing up trying to find that buck. Normal we called

3256
03:04:27,879 --> 03:04:29,760
Speaker 1: a normal buck because he was a nice just a nice,

3257
03:04:29,840 --> 03:04:35,640
Speaker 1: normal looking eight Michigan Michigan eight. So that's the story.

3258
03:04:35,760 --> 03:04:38,280
Speaker 1: And that was, um, I think for all of us,

3259
03:04:38,360 --> 03:04:40,600
Speaker 1: Like we were all involved in that one. We weren't

3260
03:04:40,600 --> 03:04:44,160
Speaker 1: all involved in Steve's, we weren't all involved in Yanni's

3261
03:04:45,280 --> 03:04:47,640
Speaker 1: or John's, but we were all involved in some way

3262
03:04:47,800 --> 03:04:51,000
Speaker 1: in mine. So that's a pretty good way to Yeah.

3263
03:04:51,000 --> 03:04:54,440
Speaker 1: And and then sixteen or so hours later, I was

3264
03:04:54,520 --> 03:04:58,760
Speaker 1: singing that Neil Diamond song They Come and to America,

3265
03:04:59,800 --> 03:05:02,480
Speaker 1: And as we went through customs, and I was thinking,

3266
03:05:02,720 --> 03:05:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm free, and I was singing, and I like, like,

3267
03:05:08,640 --> 03:05:10,879
Speaker 1: I like the Petty I like the Petty tribute because

3268
03:05:10,920 --> 03:05:14,880
Speaker 1: we just lost Tom Petty, great American. Um. But I

3269
03:05:14,920 --> 03:05:18,400
Speaker 1: definitely get like, why free falling free? Because I didn't

3270
03:05:18,400 --> 03:05:21,520
Speaker 1: hadn't thought it through. Yeah, you're just like creasing the border.

3271
03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:24,080
Speaker 1: And I went on free and he started switched. I

3272
03:05:24,200 --> 03:05:26,560
Speaker 1: switched to Lee Greenwood was proud to be an American.

3273
03:05:26,840 --> 03:05:29,440
Speaker 1: But it felt a little heavy handed, a little bit much.

3274
03:05:30,400 --> 03:05:32,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, I mean, we've been down hunting, you know.

3275
03:05:32,600 --> 03:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't that we're coming back from warfare

3276
03:05:34,680 --> 03:05:37,400
Speaker 1: something we've been down like enjoying ourselves. So I stuck

3277
03:05:37,440 --> 03:05:40,880
Speaker 1: with um Neil Diamond. But I thought I thought the

3278
03:05:41,000 --> 03:05:44,960
Speaker 1: free Falling was a good tribute to Ben's experience. Yeah, yeah,

3279
03:05:45,000 --> 03:05:47,920
Speaker 1: that was well. And I was sitting beside Yanni when

3280
03:05:47,920 --> 03:05:49,920
Speaker 1: he when he let out free falling, and he was

3281
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:52,480
Speaker 1: very confident. He was like, and I'm free and after

3282
03:05:52,520 --> 03:05:56,680
Speaker 1: he said freeze, like crap, the next word is falling

3283
03:05:56,760 --> 03:05:59,800
Speaker 1: and that's not what I was going on. Um Cha

3284
03:06:00,040 --> 03:06:02,760
Speaker 1: ended it up with some customs guys who are fun

3285
03:06:02,879 --> 03:06:05,520
Speaker 1: to deal with, and then uh fans, Yeah, there we are.

3286
03:06:06,520 --> 03:06:08,480
Speaker 1: I had a dirt missong stuck in my head. I said,

3287
03:06:08,800 --> 03:06:12,760
Speaker 1: that is the man? Or is he? Dude? I that

3288
03:06:12,920 --> 03:06:16,080
Speaker 1: perpetually I had that song stuck in my head being

3289
03:06:16,120 --> 03:06:21,680
Speaker 1: the guy that wrote it. Uh. One last quick slot NiFi.

3290
03:06:22,480 --> 03:06:25,760
Speaker 1: You know, NiFi is not in the room. I'm I'm

3291
03:06:25,760 --> 03:06:29,880
Speaker 1: addressing NiFi out there in the in the lands. You know,

3292
03:06:30,080 --> 03:06:33,000
Speaker 1: that that's not true. I said I don't like any

3293
03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:37,280
Speaker 1: politicians because I was being hyperbolic, um, and I was

3294
03:06:37,320 --> 03:06:40,400
Speaker 1: talking smack like it's an American thing to talk smack

3295
03:06:40,480 --> 03:06:43,640
Speaker 1: about not liking any politicians. I like quite a few

3296
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:46,560
Speaker 1: of them, including you know who I'm talking about. I

3297
03:06:46,800 --> 03:06:54,279
Speaker 1: love that man, um, so don't get prickly. Thanks for listening.