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Speaker 1: Hello, Texans, welcome to the program Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: You know what that means.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the General John McClain to pay us

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Speaker 1: a visit as we broadcast from the hun Day Texans

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Speaker 1: radio studio and get ready for a huge game Sunday

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Speaker 1: in Nashville. Texans oilers. That's what it says on this

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Speaker 1: Titans social media stuff. It's bizarro world, but it's here

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Speaker 1: and it's so important to the Houston Texans and John McLain,

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Speaker 1: Good evening. What do you think is the Texans have

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Speaker 1: to rally the troops, whatever troops are available to beat

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Speaker 1: the Titans on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: And to the way they were embarrassed by the Jets,

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Speaker 3: I would expect they would come out a little more interested.

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Speaker 4: The weather's supposed to be good.

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Speaker 3: They should be sufficiently embarrassed because of the way they

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Speaker 3: played against the Jets. Now they're in another must win situation.

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Speaker 3: Titans are coming off that incredible come from behind victory

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Speaker 3: in Miami in which they trailed by four team with

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Speaker 3: three minutes left in one by one, and so it's

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Speaker 3: a very very important game. Titans are just open to

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Speaker 3: hel bruin the Texans' chances of making the playoffs. They'll

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Speaker 3: play again in two weeks. Hopefully it'll be CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 3: versus Will Levis, but we're gonna get Davis Mills versus

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Speaker 3: Will Levis, and Davis Mills won in Nashville last year

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Speaker 3: and the Titans have won. The Texans have won three

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Speaker 3: in the last four in the Son Stadium, so they're

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Speaker 3: very's they could win this game, even though they've gone

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Speaker 3: from three and a half point favorites the three point underdogs,

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Speaker 3: primarily because CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud's not going to play.

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Speaker 5: John and a lot of people have talked about this

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Speaker 5: radio and otherwise this week about CJ not playing, et cetera,

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Speaker 5: and automatically defaulting to Davis being the guy. You think

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Speaker 5: there's any consideration for Case potentially starting in this game.

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Speaker 3: No, Davis has been working with the starters or the

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Speaker 3: second team of the scout team all season Cases, almost

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Speaker 3: like a coach. But if something happens to Davis, like

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Speaker 3: he gets hurt or maybe throws a couple of interceptions

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Speaker 3: and they have to go to Case. You know, he

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Speaker 3: is a miracle worker. He proved that, and so not

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Speaker 3: many teams can have two backups with as many starting

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Speaker 3: assignments as Mills and Kenev have had in their career,

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Speaker 3: and some people forget you know, if not for meals, CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud wouldn't be here because he had that winning touchdown

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Speaker 3: pass and two point conversion to beat the Colts, and

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Speaker 3: that gave the first overall pick of Chicago and they

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Speaker 3: got the second pick for Stroud and Mills has played

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Speaker 3: well against the Titans. I remember the last game of

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Speaker 3: his rookie year when they were terrible. He threw for

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Speaker 3: three hundred and one yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, a

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Speaker 3: rating of one twenty eight, and that was in a

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Speaker 3: must win game for the Titans. They had to win

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Speaker 3: it in RG Stadium to clinch home field advantage. Boy,

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Speaker 3: he helped them scare the pajabbers out of him. So

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Speaker 3: he's got a lot of starting experience, including on the road.

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Speaker 3: I think they're in pretty good hands. But what worries

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Speaker 3: me still pass protection. Stroud's been getting hit a lot.

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Speaker 3: Will Mills get hit a lot? Can't run the ball?

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Speaker 3: They just got all kind of issues on offense that

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Speaker 3: they had with Stroud that they could rear their ugly

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Speaker 3: head for meals as well.

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Speaker 2: John, What about the other side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: It's odd to me how much the Texans have improved

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Speaker 1: in run defense leaps and bounds over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, and then you look at the pass defense

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Speaker 1: and it's not going according to plan. They've given up

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Speaker 1: a lot of yards and some points. Sometimes they've kept

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Speaker 1: the point totals dout. Obviously, they have a winning record,

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Speaker 1: but the Jets had a day last week, and they

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Speaker 1: have to avoid Will Levis having a day.

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Speaker 2: What's that going to take.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you brought up about the run defense.

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Speaker 3: That's a column I have on sports Radio six ten

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Speaker 3: dot com about the improvement giving up from one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seventy yards to I think it's well, I know

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Speaker 3: it's ninety five point six. They're eighth in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: They're giving up three point six yards of carry that second,

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Speaker 3: and if you go back to the last eight games,

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Speaker 3: they're giving up eighty five point one and three point

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Speaker 3: three a carry. And if you take away the quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: those last eight games are giving up seventy three point

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Speaker 3: has been great. Next year they got to do something

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Speaker 3: about their running game because I believe, for the first

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Speaker 3: time since twenty nineteen, Derrick Henry is not going to

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Speaker 4: He's averaged two hundred and.

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Speaker 3: Three and seven point one a carry in his last

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Speaker 2: That's grotesque.

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Speaker 5: And every time I think to Henry, I think of

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Speaker 5: that two hundred yard mark, and last year when it

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Speaker 5: held them to one hundred and twenty six, it felt

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Speaker 5: like we should threw up parade.

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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: I mean what we were able to finally hold him

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Speaker 5: and he had forty eight on the first run and

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Speaker 5: a better job on him after that first touchdown run, John,

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Speaker 5: how complicated does this become against Henry because of Will

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Speaker 5: Levis in his growth?

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Speaker 3: Well, Will Levis, he'll take off and run. Ky j Spears,

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Speaker 3: the rookie running back, third round pick from Tulane. He's

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Speaker 3: been he averaged five point one per carry, but he's

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Speaker 3: been really good catching the ball and he just had

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Speaker 3: six carries for eighty something yards. That's what brace Hall

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Speaker 3: did to him last week when the linebackers couldn't cover it,

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Speaker 3: of worries about any backs other than Derrick Henry. And

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Speaker 3: it's funny about Henry. He had his first three games

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Speaker 3: against the Texans in his career were nine, sixty five

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Speaker 3: three without one hundred, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: from Clark Kent to Superman and he had two eleven,

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Speaker 3: two twelve, two point fifty two nineteen before as you said,

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Speaker 3: they popped the champagne corks when they limited to him

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Speaker 3: five point four yards carry. You asked Mark about the coverage.

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Speaker 3: I looked this up on Pro Football Reference posing quarterback

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Speaker 3: ratings against the Texans, and Derrek Stingley Junior has been

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Speaker 3: incredible ratings. I think it's forty five, Jalen Peatriots one

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Speaker 3: forty seven, Jimmy Ward's ninety one, Christian Harris, and Henry

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Speaker 3: toatoa bad in coverage. But Blake Cashman, who may not play,

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Speaker 3: he's been great in coverage. Stephen Nelson's been great in coverage.

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Speaker 3: Tavier Thomas gotten roasted, but Desmond King has been good

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Speaker 3: corner issue. It's been a linebacker and a safety issue.

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Speaker 3: And you know the Titans, Tim Kelly, who was here

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Speaker 3: of the time. You know he's going to get the

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Speaker 3: of times you see Derrick Henry going out and you're like,

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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you what the Dolphins limited in the

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Speaker 3: thirty four yards and three of Gerry, and you think

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Speaker 3: you do that, you're going to beat the Titans. And

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Speaker 3: they still looked because he's still had two touchdowns, Henry dead.

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Speaker 3: He's had six, two in the last three games. He's

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Speaker 3: now up to ten. He's the third back in history, well,

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Speaker 3: Danian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson have at least ten in

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Speaker 3: six consecutive seasons. But I feel good about the run

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Speaker 3: defense because they've been really good all season. But man,

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Speaker 3: that pass coverage has really suffered.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up when the take Henry out

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Speaker 1: the game, I am so happy, as good as Taja

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Speaker 1: Spears could be. I am always thrilled when they take

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Speaker 1: Henry out of the game. So I root for that

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Speaker 1: early and often against this team. And you brought up injuries.

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Speaker 1: We all did. Here's the deal today. Will Anderson did

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Speaker 1: not participate in practice with the ankle, Cashman no with

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens tomorrow. But it's not boding

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Speaker 1: well for Cashman, Stroud, Nico, the guys that you really

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Speaker 1: want to see, obviously Anderson. You'd really love to see

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Speaker 1: and then when we get the in and out report,

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Speaker 1: and then obviously game time itself. General, the Titans are

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Speaker 1: five and eight after knocking out the Dolphins. This would

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Speaker 1: have been a ludicrous question last week, but here we are.

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Speaker 1: They have an opportunity here. They're not in it, but

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Speaker 1: they're not out of it either. They're mathematically still alive

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Speaker 1: for a postseason birth. What are they feeling right now

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Speaker 1: in Nashville about this football team as they take on

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Speaker 1: the Texans twice in the coming weeks, And hey, you

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Speaker 1: never know, I'm going Nashville perspective right now.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think all those guys you

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Speaker 4: Off a bad game.

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Speaker 3: And I'm wondering what we see Charlie Heck for the

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Speaker 3: first time since last season. And they're talking up there.

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Speaker 3: They're not talking about the playoffs. They're talking about They're

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Speaker 3: still just flabbergasted that the Titans pulled that game out

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Speaker 3: and won. DeAndre Hopkins had a great game. He had

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Speaker 3: and he is on a pace for almost twelve hundred

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Speaker 3: yards this season. Happy to see him bounce back like that.

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Speaker 3: But Levis is a rook and there's some rookies playing well. Levis,

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Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito's, some backups are playing well, throwing Jake Browning

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Speaker 3: in there. But I don't think anybody Tennessee's talking playoffs,

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Speaker 3: but they would like to see him win this game,

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Speaker 3: and it is going to be weird to see them

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Speaker 3: wearing Columbia blue. But I watched a lot of the

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Speaker 3: about Billy white Shoes Johnson is being put in a

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Speaker 3: ring of honor. And it's so weird because Billy played

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Speaker 3: here and I covered Bill and he's one of the

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Speaker 3: nicest guys, one of the most electrifying players I've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: and they're polite about it up there. They give them

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Speaker 3: great ovations, but unless they go on YouTube, they're not

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Speaker 4: And it's just strange, but hey, that's the way it is.

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Speaker 3: I just like a game when I like, I'm glad

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Speaker 3: this game means something because so much we've seen in

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Speaker 3: the past where it didn't mean to eat anything to

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Speaker 3: either team, and like to see this rivalry turn up

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Speaker 3: a couple of notches and be what it should have

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Speaker 3: been from the time the Oilers moved to Nashville and

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Speaker 3: the Texans got the expansion franchise.

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Speaker 5: Along those lines, general, outside of Andre Johnson beating the

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Speaker 5: you know what out of Corland Finnegan, what's your favorite

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Speaker 5: or most indelible memory of this rivalry.

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember that game in Nashville. The Texans won,

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Speaker 3: and a couple of guys that got kicked out. There

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Speaker 3: were a lot of fights and everything, and it was

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Speaker 3: it was a brutal game, and I thought, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: be great. And then it wasn't because the teams just

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Speaker 3: haven't been playing for anything, and even being like the

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it as all one.

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Speaker 1: Thank you general. Coming up on Texans Radio, we'll play

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Speaker 1: Who's Better?

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Speaker 1: and as we promised, it's Who's better tonight, Johnny, let's rock.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out of order here.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the Texans big question in just a moment,

437
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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna start here with playoff contenders. Better chance?

438
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: Who's better better chance of a playoff meltdown? The Dallas

439
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 1: Cowboys or the Baltimore Ravens. Who's got a better shot

440
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: at melting down in the playoffs? I'm going negative. It's

441
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: Thursday night, We're having some fun, A.

442
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: Feeling gouda be the Cowboys. The Ravens have had some

443
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 5: moments that have not been great.

444
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 2: Obviously.

445
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Speaker 5: Twenty nineteen number one seed, I mean, the Super Bowl

446
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 5: was a fate of complete and they got throttled by

447
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 5: the Tennessee Titans. Individual playoff game on a Saturday night.

448
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 5: That was a meltdown, yep. But I don't know if

449
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 5: you know, if the Ravens don't win, the AFC is

450
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 5: so I know the number one seed right now, but

451
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 5: the AFC is.

452
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: So tight yep.

453
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Speaker 5: It's so close that if Baltimore loses, I wouldn't consider

454
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 5: it a meltdown. But if Dallas loses Dallas, say Dallas

455
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 5: gets say Dallas gets the two seed and they gotta

456
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 5: play the seventh seed and that seven seed beats them,

457
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 5: that's a meltdown. That don't know who that seven seed is? Yeah,

458
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 5: so would I be here for it, but I love it. Yes,

459
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 5: the Cowboys would be a bigger meltdown, I think, just

460
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 5: for that reason, because they've done it before repeatedly.

461
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: Whereas the Ravens came back the next year in twenty.

462
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 5: And lost and well to know they want they went

463
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 5: to Tennessee and won that one, Okay, but they've not

464
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 5: been and then I can't remember if they made the

465
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 5: playoffs and the lat Well last year they made the plus,

466
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 5: but Tyler Hunting was playing and they lost. I don't

467
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 5: know that they're gonna go into playoffs. In laying egg

468
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 5: with Lamar, I don't know why I.

469
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 2: Feel that way.

470
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: How many playoff how many playoff wins do the Ravens

471
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Speaker 1: have in the last nine years.

472
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: It's not many.

473
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Speaker 5: One that Tennessee, Yes, that's it. How I still feel

474
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 5: like it's the Cowboys. I still feel like it's the

475
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 5: Cowboys because they can beat glitz.

476
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: And glamour and if they're at home where they've scored

477
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: forty plus how many times and get beat. The Ravens

478
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: got beat and they've been beat in Baltimore. In Baltimore.

479
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Speaker 1: What I just pointed out, Look, Dallas gets a lot

480
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: of heat, and I guess deservedly so, of course, considering

481
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: their tradition, their history. But the Ravens get a free

482
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: pass all over the place, all over the nation, all

483
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: over the league. If I say which organization is better,

484
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Ravens, a lot of people are

485
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: just gonna automatically say Baltimore and they have one playoff

486
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: victory since twenty fourteen.

487
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: How many Cowboys have I think they have three or

488
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 2: four or three? No, they don't.

489
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm thinking four since the Texans started, so they have

490
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 1: at least two.

491
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: I want to say.

492
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Speaker 1: I think they have won late in the Romo era,

493
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: and Prescott's only got one. I believe, maybe two, I'll

494
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: look it up. But they beat Tampa Bay last year. Look,

495
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could finish second in their division and have

496
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: to go on the road with a much better record

497
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: than say NFC South winner Tampa Bay, or do something

498
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: like that and do that all over again against Baker Mayfield.

499
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: That would be a meltdown. To lose a game like that.

500
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I think meltdow has to be defined. You lose a

501
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: game at home when you have a really good record,

502
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: That to me as.

503
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Speaker 2: An odd I agree with that.

504
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: All right, let's see, I think let's see, they beat

505
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay, they beat Seattle eighteen, they beat the Lions

506
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 5: in fourteen.

507
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, there's three since the Ravens have won.

508
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: Yes, well, fourteen, all right, so that's two since the

509
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: Ravens won in twenty fourteen.

510
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: The Ravens have one. It's two to one Cowboys. I

511
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: mean here, I'm defending. I'm not really defended. Dak has

512
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: one more than brock Oswiler has.

513
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but he's got one more than Roar Jackson has.

514
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: Okay, true, he's.

515
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Got one more than he's got two more than Herbert has.

516
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: We don't get to Burrow. Let's just get to the

517
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: next question, shall we.

518
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: Who's better? All right?

519
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: If it's Davis Mills on Sunday for the Houston Texans.

520
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: We went over the record on the road in the

521
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: AFC South and we talked about this with the general.

522
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: But what's the best Mills win ever? I'll give you

523
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: the selections. Are you ready for this? In twenty twenty one,

524
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: We've got the Jacksonville Jaguars on the road in December,

525
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: December nineteenth day, that was.

526
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: His first start, I mean, his first win as a starter.

527
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: His first win as a starter, and that was a

528
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: fun game because we didn't know what was going to happen.

529
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: And he had two tds one pick.

530
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: The following week the LA Chargers at home the day

531
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Speaker 1: after Christmas. Last year, Davis Mills were going over what

532
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: is the best Mills victory ever? You had the tie

533
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: against the Colts, you had the win at Tennessee on

534
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve one touchdown, one pick, one hundred and seventy

535
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: eight yards.

536
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: There were some Tennessee turnovers associated with that, and you had, oh,

537
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 2: you had the win earlier against the Jags that season.

538
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: I should point that out.

539
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: No TD's, no picks in that one one hundred and

540
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 1: forty yards passing ouch.

541
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: Damian Pierce ran well in that game.

542
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: That was the angry run debut for Pierce, and of

543
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: course the season capper last year beating the Colts. That

544
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: was three tds, two picks, fifty seven percent completion. Not

545
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: exactly a voluminous stat day.

546
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: It's kind of all.

547
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: He filled up the whole card with good and bad.

548
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: But he got the big pass at the end to

549
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: click and the two point conversion to get the win.

550
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: So what's the best Mills win?

551
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 5: Johnny Chargers Day after Christmas twenty twenty one, Bingo.

552
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: I feel that day and what I remember about that.

553
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 5: Obviously this is a day after Christmas, so you know

554
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: who doesn't remember that. But what I remember about that

555
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 5: day was the lineups were janky on both sides, like

556
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 5: they were rough on both sides. We had not I mean,

557
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 5: listen after Jacksonville, we put up twenty one nine zero,

558
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 5: twenty two three five, twenty two nine, twenty two, fourteen

559
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 5: zero thirteen, and then the week before Agast Jacksonville, we

560
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 5: put up thirty. So we turn home and there are

561
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 5: guys with could listen to the starting offense for the

562
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: Texans that day.

563
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: Okay, you're ready, Yeah, I'm ready.

564
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: Nico Collins, we know him, Chris Conley.

565
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: Sorry, wide receiver. Oh yeah.

566
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 5: The offensive line went like this left to right. Left

567
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 5: tackle Daron Christian, left guard Coletner Cole Toner, center Jimmy Morrissey,

568
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 5: right guard Max Sharping, right tackle Charlie Heck. The starting

569
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: tight ends were Anthony Auclair and fair Baro Brown.

570
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: And you beat the Chargers a playoff condem the Chargers.

571
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 5: Now they didn't have Bosa, but you know, we're not

572
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 5: gonna not gonna split hairs.

573
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: They had a lot of their guys and we did not.

574
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 2: And I think that.

575
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 5: Game, he he was tremendous to me. I know that

576
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 5: Rex had a big game rushing wise, he had one

577
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 5: hundred and forty nine. Davis was twenty one to twenty

578
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 5: seven two touchdowns, had one hundred and thirty point six rating.

579
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 5: And I remember thinking about that game after the Jacksonville game,

580
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 5: after what he's done against the Patriots, and thought, boy,

581
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 5: it's pretty good. I mean, that's one hundred and thirty

582
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 5: point six rating is a rookie, It's almost impossible.

583
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: This is what shaped the offseason narrative between twenty one

584
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: and twenty two.

585
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: That game, because at San Francisco it was good for

586
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: a little bit in that game that it kind of

587
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: slid out of control. But it's at San Francisco, good team.

588
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: Then you come home lose to Tennessee. But he has

589
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: a monster step.

590
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: Day the second half.

591
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: He was incredible, doesn't turn it over, throws three tds,

592
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: no picks, looks real good quarterback rating one twenty eight,

593
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: And you thought, okay, this is it. Let's see what

594
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: happens in twenty twenty two. We saw what happened at

595
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two.

596
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm with you.

597
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: The Charger game is the Charger game, best Mills victory

598
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: that we've seen.

599
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: All Right, who's.

600
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Better better chance for redemption this postseason? Considering what these

601
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: squads are going through right now, the Kansas City Chiefs.

602
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: Or the Philadelphia Eagles.

603
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: We know these squads know each other well, and yes,

604
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: the Eagles have a better record than the Chiefs. But

605
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: who's got the better chance at redemption? Because right now,

606
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're acting they're gonna miss the playoffs

607
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: or something, but you would not project either team to

608
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: make it at this point, although they'll be in the

609
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: mix and they can easily do it. You feel, I guess, well,

610
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: how do you feel who's got the better chance and

611
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: to making.

612
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: People feel good their fan bases feel good?

613
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: Wow?

614
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: I think the bar is set so high for both

615
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 5: of them. Yeah, I mean that's that's tough. Now, did

616
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: chief start eight and five?

617
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: Yep?

618
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 5: The Denver Broncos are seven and six and they split

619
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: with the Chiefs. Now, what's working against Denver right now

620
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 5: to degree is they're one and two in the division. Yeah,

621
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 5: but they have I'm sorry, take it back to two

622
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: to two cause it beat the Chargers. But they've got

623
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 5: the Chargers and Raiders coming up to finish the year.

624
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 5: But they're at Detroit this weekend. My point in all

625
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 5: that is, could Denver catch the Chiefs? And if Denver catches.

626
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: The Chiefs, that'll be a big story.

627
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: That's a massive story. Yeah, not only is it a

628
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: massive story, but it puts the Chiefs in danger of

629
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 5: making playoffs. I mean I can't see that happening.

630
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I mean I can have that, I can't hear that.

631
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I just think it's well not gonna happen.

632
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 5: What's the Chief's final record at New England home, Raiders home,

633
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 5: Bengals at Chargers.

634
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: They're not going to lose more than one of those games.

635
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 5: Well, did you think they would lose to the Eagles, Packers, Packers,

636
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 5: and Bills.

637
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: I thought the Bills would be tough. I though one

638
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: of them would beat them. I thought the Bills.

639
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Would be tough Green Bay on the road, right, yeah, Eagles,

640
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: of course they could lose that game. So to me,

641
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I just can't see them losing to New England. Here

642
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: you can get home, and they're really tough at home. Still,

643
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: here's what's odd about this.

644
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 5: You know, in years past with the Kansas City team,

645
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: you look at the score. Let boy, they could score

646
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 5: after the Bears game, Bears had forty one. Now before

647
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: the Bears game, they scored twenty and seventeen. Then they

648
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 5: had twenty three, twenty seven, nineteen thirty one in a

649
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: win nine twenty one seventeen nineteen seventeen and they had

650
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 5: a thirty one in their mixed together points. They're not scoring,

651
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 5: they're not putting the ball in the end zone, and

652
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: it's costing him. The defense is playing pretty well, like

653
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: the defense hasn't given up more than twenty seven and

654
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: that was the Packers. That was the highest total they've

655
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: given up. The point in all that is the Chiefs

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Speaker 5: have set such a standard. But the Eagles, to me,

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Speaker 5: they're they're now tied with the Cowboys, but the Cowboys

658
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Speaker 5: have the tiebreaker.

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Speaker 2: As it sits currently.

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Speaker 5: But if the Eagles came in second to the Cowboys

661
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Speaker 5: after having such a lead to start the season, I mean,

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Speaker 5: it'd be armageddon up there.

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Speaker 2: Well, it just shows you what killing through in a

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Speaker 2: very different way.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it does matter what you've put up, but you

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Speaker 1: got to continue to put it up.

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Speaker 2: You can in the barn with four.

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Speaker 1: Or five games to go, you got to continue to play.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about this at practice the other day.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about practice yesterday.

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Speaker 5: I can't remember where I heard this, but we're talking

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Speaker 5: about how quarterbacks. I'm sorry teams throughout the league, and

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Speaker 5: I used the wrong verbiage saying that good teams in

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Speaker 5: the league have had multiple quarterbacks win games, And you

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Speaker 5: were like, Okay, what about Baltimore, what about Philly, what

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Speaker 5: about Kansas City? Yeah, and it's like all those good

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00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 5: teams have had a quarterback stay healthy the entire time.

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Speaker 5: Dak Prescott with the Cowboys, they've had a quarterback stay

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Speaker 5: healthy the entire season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there have been other teams that have won games.

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Speaker 5: But it found it interesting because even though Jalen hurts

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Speaker 5: his quote unquote healthy, I don't know that he's quote

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Speaker 5: unquote healthy.

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Speaker 2: Right, Patrick, I think is kind of the same way now.

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Speaker 5: Patrick, I think is dealing his his health is I

686
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Speaker 5: think more impacted by his receivers not catching the football.

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Speaker 5: But they feel like just outside of looking at they

688
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 5: feel like beat up teams and they're not not injury wise,

689
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Speaker 5: they just feel.

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Speaker 1: Like like emotionally beat up. Yes, I think it's a

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Speaker 1: Johnny the seventeen Games. I know this is a different

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Speaker 1: philosophical conversation. It's a different sport almost, It's a very

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Speaker 1: different kind of campaign.

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Speaker 2: It's way more one week.

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Speaker 1: I know it's only one more game, but it does

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Speaker 1: something to the universe.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and here we are.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the Eagles have the Seahawks, Giants

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Speaker 1: twice and Cardinals on the way out, not in that order.

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Speaker 1: Giants sandwich a Cardinals game on New Year's Eve, so

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Speaker 1: they'll get Tommy Cutliffs twice, they get Seattle on the road.

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Speaker 1: It's tough, I think with the Cowboys. When you look

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Speaker 1: at the division Hopes, Bills, Dolphins, Lions, Commanders, that's a

704
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: pretty tough stretch. Yeah, I'm not going to put two

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Speaker 1: and two off the table in that stretch for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: And maybe the Eagles can still eke out ahead, but

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Speaker 1: we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go what the Eagles To answer your question,

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Speaker 2: The Eagles answer you question right. One more quick one here,

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Speaker 2: let's go college.

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Speaker 1: Who's better better open spot for a quarterback? Because these

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Speaker 1: prominent programs that have had QB's transfer, Ohio State or Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think it's an automatic answer here, Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: or Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Both of these schools.

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Speaker 1: Lost their quarterbacks and I know they got guys in

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Speaker 1: the stable. Right you are, Johnny Harris QB Deluxe. You

718
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: just lit it up at Texas State and the proposals

719
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Speaker 1: are out there.

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to go, Johnny? Hio State Okay,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State, I still think.

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Speaker 5: I know Kyle McCord didn't have the greatest season, but

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Speaker 5: I know what Ryan Day, how valuable Ryan Day.

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Speaker 2: Was to CJ.

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Speaker 5: If you listen to CJ what he talks about, you know,

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Speaker 5: Ryan Day's taking quarterbacks that know everybody.

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Speaker 2: It was like Ohio State quarterbacks don't make it in the NFL.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because they're just good college quarterbacks and Ryan Day

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00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 5: has made the most of them. Oklahoma, they're changing offensive coordinators,

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Speaker 5: They've got a defensive minded head coach. I think that's

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Speaker 5: a little bit more to overcome. I feel like there's

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Speaker 5: a little bit more stability in some sense at Ohio State.

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Speaker 5: As crazy as that sounds, give you what Iho State

734
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Speaker 5: went through that. I just feel like there's too much in Oklahoma. Yea,

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Speaker 5: they're going the SEC, and that would that would matter.

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Speaker 5: And I know how many SEC programs, how much they

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00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: how many bags they've got, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: And so now Texas and Oklahoma are going to be

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Speaker 5: part of that mix in the schedules we've got announced

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Speaker 5: last night. Wow, there I know, going Oklahoma Texas going

741
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 5: to the SEC was kind of Oh, it was a

742
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 5: contentious talking point for a long time, especially for people

743
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Speaker 5: here because of the Big twelve and all that. But

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Speaker 5: then when you see it and you see the schedules

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Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, Texas plays these teams, Texas plays

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Speaker 5: A and m oh Man, George's playing in Alabama early

747
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 5: in September, Oklahoma is going to such and such place

748
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Speaker 5: they've never been. You start getting excited about it. It's

749
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Speaker 5: pretty wild. So there's there's part that I part of

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Speaker 5: that that I would have to consider. But then again,

751
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 5: from Ohio State, I got the opportunity to go out

752
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 5: west play Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA. I'm gonna go house stated.

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Speaker 5: I just trust Ryan Day a little bit more. I

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Speaker 5: like the stability there right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm going with that, all right, Johnny, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: And coming up, doctor Kenneth Poddell, concussion expert. Let's talk

757
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: to him about the injury everyone's talking about. It's coming

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00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: up here on Texans Radio. Right back to it here

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Speaker 1: at Texans Radio, Mark VanderMeer with you. And of course,

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Speaker 1: lots of injuries for this team. It seems like it's

761
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: been this way all season long. They've had to rally

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Speaker 1: on many occasions. Remember back when they beat Pittsburgh in

763
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Speaker 1: Week four on what day?

764
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 2: How many guys were out in that game?

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Speaker 1: And you might not recall, but Austin Deculus starting at

766
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: left tackle, Kendrick Green playing at left guard feels like

767
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: a thousand years ago. But this team has had to

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00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: overcome so much in injuries and whatnot to get to

769
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: where they are, and where they are is seven and

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Speaker 1: six heading into Nashville.

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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud is not practiced this week. Yeah, that would not

773
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Speaker 1: bode well for playing on Sunday recovering from a concussion.

774
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Speaker 1: So let's just call it what it is, and why

775
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Speaker 1: don't we bring in the expert, one of the foremost

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Speaker 1: experts on planet Earth on the subject, from Houston Methodist

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Speaker 1: doctor Kenneth Paddell. Now, this is a little best of

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Speaker 1: a conversation I had with doctor Padell a couple of

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Speaker 1: months ago, but it certainly applies great info on concussions

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Speaker 1: and how to recover. Let's start with diagnosis, a lot

781
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Speaker 1: of self reporting going on. What can doctor Pidell tell

782
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Speaker 1: us about that and just about finding out if someone

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Speaker 1: has a concussion and how bad it is.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's great, Mark, And then bring up two very

785
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 6: good points. First, has to do with the assessment. Just

786
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 6: came out a couple months ago is an update and

787
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Speaker 6: it's called the Sports Concussion Assessment Tool, and it's just

788
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,439
Speaker 6: updated about a year ago, but just released a few

789
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 6: months ago, and it's a significant improvement in helping individuals

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00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 6: evaluate for possible concussion. It's designed for professionals, those that

791
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Speaker 6: are in the field, but it really highlights the multitude

792
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Speaker 6: of problems that can occur in a concussion things like balance, dizziness,

793
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Speaker 6: eye movement problems, net problems, you know, the thinking stuff

794
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Speaker 6: that everyone's familiar with. But so it's a real nice

795
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 6: update on the assessment. And they also just created a

796
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Speaker 6: version for office visits, so when you follow up with

797
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Speaker 6: the doctor, and it's a nice way. It's a nice

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Speaker 6: outline for the doctors to follow in looking at all

799
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Speaker 6: the different parts that can be affected in that concussion.

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Speaker 2: Doctor, what can you tell us about baselines? We hear

801
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: a lot about this.

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00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: As you evaluate a player who might have concussion symptoms,

803
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: compare them to his baseline data. How do you evaluate

804
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: what baseline data are?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. Baseline assessments were very very popular a

806
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: few years ago and originally thought of the best way

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00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 6: of looking at athletes that may have concussions, are they

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00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 6: at baseline? And we're actually getting away from that a

809
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 6: little bit because the tools now have such great normative

810
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 6: data that we know what to compare them to. So

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Speaker 6: tests compare an eighteen year old mail with five thousand

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00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 6: eighteen year olds that never had a concussion. So we're

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Speaker 6: getting away from the baseline. But the idea is when

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00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 6: we get them, when we're ready to return an athlete

815
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Speaker 6: to play, we want to make sure that they are

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00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 6: at that baseline, which typically means no symptoms that they

817
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 6: ever experienced before. That their thinking skills are back to normal,

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00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 6: sleeping is back to normal, all of those things are

819
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Speaker 6: at where they were before the concussion.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you have someone suffering from a concussion, what

821
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Speaker 1: is the recovery? Should somebody be around other people doing

822
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: relatively normal things or how is it determined what they

823
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: can or cannot do? Is that about what you can

824
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: tolerate yourself? How do you evaluate and prescribe treatment?

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Speaker 6: Good point, and a lot has to do with the

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Speaker 6: type of pattern. I believe that individuals have a signature

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Speaker 6: to their concussion, so therefore the treatment plan is tailored

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Speaker 6: to the problems that that person is experiencing. The point

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Speaker 6: that you do bring up that I think is becoming

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00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 6: a little bit more acknowledged and used in the profession

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Speaker 6: is after about forty eight, probably seventy two hours, we

832
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 6: start to get the patient moving again, a little bit

833
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Speaker 6: of physical activity, a little bit of cognitive activity. I

834
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Speaker 6: like to use the phrase Goldilocks approach to all of this,

835
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Speaker 6: not too little and not too much activity. And activity

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Speaker 6: could be a three to five minute walk, or it

837
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 6: could be reading for five minutes. What we try to

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00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 6: do there is to make sure that their symptoms don't

839
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Speaker 6: get worse. If the activity makes the symptoms worse, when

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00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 6: we say stop, back it down, and slowly and gradually

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00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 6: increase over time. What we're finding is this approach of

842
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 6: gradually increasing activity helps us recover faster from the concussion.

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00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 6: Lack of activity, as you know, is never good for health,

844
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 6: and it's not good for the concussion either. So this

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Speaker 6: whole idea of being in a dark room until your

846
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 6: symptoms go away, we don't do that anymore. It's his

847
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 6: gradual increase of activity.

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Speaker 1: How are things going at the concussion center? Anything you

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Speaker 1: can share with us that you're excited about, anything, new

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Speaker 1: anything you're working on.

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Speaker 6: We're excited about a couple of things at the Concussion Center.

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00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 6: We will be monitoring patients that come into use the

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Speaker 6: Methodists for concussions. We have a way of using text

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Speaker 6: messaging to have to follow patients acutely after a concussion.

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Speaker 6: For example, if they walked into one of our urgent

856
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 6: cares or emergency rooms and we're diagnosed with the concussions,

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00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 6: they would be offered the opportunity to enroll in this program.

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Speaker 6: And what we're going to do is closely monitor their

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00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 6: symptoms and their problems and offer them advice for treatment,

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00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 6: offer them visits with any of our twenty two doctors

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Speaker 6: that see concl usians throughout Houston Methodists. So we'll be

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00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 6: able to reach out to these individuals in the public.

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00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 6: And the reason that's important is because more recent research

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Speaker 6: has shown that up to sixty seventy percent of individuals

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Speaker 6: that sustain a brain injury or concussions don't follow up

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00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 6: with doctors, yet seventy percent still have symptoms weeks or

867
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Speaker 6: months after that. So this is an opportunity for us

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Speaker 6: to help the public recover from their concussions.

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Speaker 2: Quicker great information. As always, Doctor We really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, there's doctor Kenneth Peddel with Houston Methodist, Houston Methodist,

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Speaker 1: the official health care provider of the Houston Texans, Houston

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Speaker 1: Methodist leading medicine.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for the show tonight. We've

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Speaker 1: got another great one tomorrow. We are loaded tomorrow with

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Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff. Defensive coordinator Matt Burke is

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Speaker 1: going to join us. Demiko Ryan's right out of the shoot.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a Texans player or two along the way.

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Speaker 1: Plenty of info on the Titans from their perspective as

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Speaker 1: they're going to wear those uniforms. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: Sunday at noon for the game, tomorrow at six for

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Speaker 1: Texans Radio, and Saturday night our one hour TV block

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Speaker 1: ten thirty five on ABC thirteen with Texans Extra Points.

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Speaker 1: Cody Stut's is on the show along with Brandon Scott.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. Have a great night everyone,

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Speaker 1: Go Texans.