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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show we're talking trees, why they're

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Speaker 1: valuable to wildlife in the natural world, where to plant them,

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Speaker 1: and how to do it well. And to help us

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Speaker 1: have that conversation, I'm joined like Bob and Ian Wallace

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Speaker 1: of Chestnut Hill Outdoors. All Right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. And

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Speaker 1: today in the show, we're talking trees. We're gonna cover

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know to make trees a part

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Speaker 1: of your habitat improvement plan. We're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 1: how trees can help you improve a property for deer

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Speaker 1: and deer hunting, as well as how to make it

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Speaker 1: be beneficial for all sorts of animals and birds and

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Speaker 1: pollinators living in your neck of the woods. We're to

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Speaker 1: explore the services the trees can provide, not just feeding

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Speaker 1: deer mass, but everything else they do for the environment.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about why they're so impactful, how to

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Speaker 1: choose the most useful and appropriate trees for your goals

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Speaker 1: and for your area. We're gonna talk through what kinds

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Speaker 1: of trees are the best for certain goals. We'll definitely

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about how to choose the right places

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Speaker 1: to plant and the right ways to do that planting itself.

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Speaker 1: This is really great stuff. We've never spent a really,

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Speaker 1: uh kind of substantial amount of time talking about trees,

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Speaker 1: massed trees, hard massed, soft massed fruit trees, all the

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Speaker 1: many different things these can do for deer and deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: And today I'm really glad we're doing it. And my

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Speaker 1: guests today are two folks have a have a deep

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Speaker 1: and very very interesting connection to trees, chestnut trees in particular.

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Speaker 1: Now you might not know much about chestnuts trees because

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Speaker 1: they have mostly been wiped off the face of our countinent.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't always that way. It might not have

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Speaker 1: to stay that way in the future either. You see,

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Speaker 1: our guests are Bob and Ian Wallace of Chestnut Hill Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: They run a very successful nursery selling trees all across

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Speaker 1: the country, with a particular focus on trees for wildlife,

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Speaker 1: for hunters and land managers, and they've got a tremendous

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Speaker 1: outdoors people have. So that's what they do. But they've

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Speaker 1: got this this really interesting history that I found fascinating

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Speaker 1: as well. So before we get them on, I want

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Speaker 1: to this history and this history of chestnut trees, which

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Speaker 1: is something that they are deeply connected to, and it

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Speaker 1: was talked about in my recent favorite book of the year,

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Speaker 1: The Over Story, which maybe you've heard me ranting and

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Speaker 1: and I thought this would be a really appropriate time

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Speaker 1: and then when they come on, they're gonna explain how

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Speaker 1: they fit into this. So here's the excerpt. The Killer

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Speaker 1: slips into the country from Asia in the wood of

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Speaker 1: Chinese chestnuts destined for fancy gardens. A tree in the

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Speaker 1: Bronx Zoological Park turns October colors in July, leaves curl

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Speaker 1: and scorched to the hue of cinnamon, rings of orange

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Speaker 1: He publishes the results and leaves town to beat the

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Speaker 1: and Bob Wallace. Welcome to the show, gentlemen. Thank you. Yeah, hey, Mark,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having us on. Yeah, I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: Um So my name is Ian Waller, I Bob don

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Speaker 1: Um Bob. Uh. Bob founded the nursery with with my mom.

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Speaker 1: kind of explain a little bit of a history of everything. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I got involved in chestnuts. My father was a

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Speaker 1: got given some cuttings from an American chestnut tree that

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Speaker 1: with trees, if you strategically uh pick a window of

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Speaker 1: varieties that are going to have nutrition available at different

429
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: times of year, you can build your food plot to

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00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: have nutrition available all year round. I mean in the

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00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: South we can almost legitimately have fruits at almost twelve

432
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: months of the year. Not quite, but it's here on

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Speaker 1: the farm. Uh In in Olashua week we have uh

434
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: just about ten months where you can be taken some

435
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: tin um. And as you go further north that window decreases. However,

436
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, you can take varieties that very early spring

437
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: and early summer start to have fruit like mulberries um.

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00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: In the South, you have peaches um that come on

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00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: in May and then into the summertime you have plums

440
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: that come on in the native plum species like chickens

441
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: out plum um and and then throughout the summer, uh

442
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: you have blackberries, raspberries, and there's blueberries, and then further

443
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: on into into the fall, then you start to have

444
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: a lot um a lot to come on. There's hair

445
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: in per sinmon and then of course the hard mask

446
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: like chestnut and oaks UM. And you know those those

447
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: the deer are naturally dependent on those cycles, right that

448
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: the way that nature has provided food forever um and

449
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, those those native species will seek out

450
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: those food sources when they're available, and they also need

451
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: those food sources at those strategic times for those nutritions UM.

452
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: You know, like Bob mentioned fruits uh and and mass

453
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: trees like checks that have high carbohydrates sugars and fruits,

454
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: and then in uh in checknut its high carbohydrate, but

455
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: it also has healthy fats. And then of course right

456
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: before the winter sets those other hard mass like acorns

457
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: that have flopped of fats. So it's really important to

458
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: have a wide variety of trees that can provide nutrients

459
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: for the whole year, which is a really unique set

460
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: that UM that planting trees provides that UM, you know,

461
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: it's a perfect addition to any food plot. Yeah, and

462
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: that yeah, that's really true. Um, you can be in.

463
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: One of the things the nursery can do is help

464
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: the the planners, help the people plant the trees to come,

465
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, to pick the right varieties for the area. Right,

466
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: So the South we have very mild winters, snow, you know,

467
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: less freezes. Different trees are adapted to different latitudes, different

468
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: um areas. The USBA has what's called the chilling map,

469
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: which is the number of hours underneath five degrees during wintertime.

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00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: And so there stands the reason that stuff that grows

471
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: in northern Illinois is not gonna God, you get enough

472
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: chilling when you planted in southern Georgia. And that's especially

473
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: true with plant with a lot of the fruit varieties.

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00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: That chill wing is uh as a factor in triggering

475
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: the flowering first thing in the spring, which then ends

476
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: up very uh you know, varying the flowers turned into fruit.

477
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: So it's really important to pick the right varieties for

478
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: your area. And you know, in this idea of being

479
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: able to plant the sequence so you've always got fruit

480
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: ripening on your farm. We also went and found things

481
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: like varieties of simmons that will fruit in August and

482
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: varieties for simmons that will fruit in November in the summer.

483
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Same thing with pairs, same thing with apples, and so

484
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: having that, you know, that wide range of cultivars that

485
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: produced at different times also really helps keep the deer

486
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: on your property. I mean literally, you can have a

487
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: five acre backyard and plant enough fruit there that you're

488
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: gonna pull deer from all over the area, because you know,

489
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: most areas don't have that amount of food during the

490
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: summer when there's a lot of vegetation to deer turn

491
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: of vegetation and eat lots of leaves and grass and

492
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But um, having even a little area,

493
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: it becomes a magnet, right for every year in the

494
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: area to come in and see. Yeah, and you know,

495
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: tell me if you guys have seen this on a

496
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: wider scale than me. But I've also noticed with things

497
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: like um soft mass trees, they're relatively unique in most areas. Right,

498
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: there's gonna be thousands of acres of corn, and let's talk,

499
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, agricultural areas will be thousands of acres of corn,

500
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: thousands of acres of soybeans, But you might be the

501
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: only game in town that has apples or chestnuts or percions,

502
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: and so it's you're like the ice cream truck that

503
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: everybody can only get your place. That's true, and that

504
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: is very true. UM. And you know, another kind of

505
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: point to that is that, um, when you may be

506
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: a a you may have a unique food source on

507
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: your property. And that's that's great to have, UM. But

508
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: I think even more so, you know, I think a

509
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: lot of people tend to think of a food plot

510
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: as more of an attractive for a certain time of year,

511
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: so that you tend get the deer to come to

512
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: your property for that time, UM, and use it as

513
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: bait in a sense. And you know that can I

514
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: think that trees can be used in the same way.

515
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: But I think more importantly, if you have varieties that

516
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: are fruiting all year round, you're gonna have a herd

517
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: that stage. And you know, as we all know, dear dear,

518
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: don't they don't there's a very large plot. They tend

519
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: to stick in in a little bit smaller areas. Um.

520
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: And if you have nutrition available at all times to

521
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: see if there, your hurt's going to stay and you're

522
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: going to have you know it just it's consistent, um,

523
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: consistent attracting and not even attracting our bait. But it's

524
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: just their homes that they've decided to stay on. So

525
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: the biological furbose carrying capacity, right, if you increase the

526
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: foods in why you can increase the carrying capacity of

527
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: your land. And so it's yeah, it's it's it's easy,

528
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: easy to prove it easy to see. You know, when

529
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: you're into your own eyes, when you started, you know,

530
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: your your crops start producing. Yeah, I think a common

531
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: um rebuttal to the idea of trees from many people,

532
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: and this has been something that I've said to myself

533
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: over the years is man, but it's and take so

534
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: long for these trees to make a difference. I can't

535
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: wait ten years or fifteen years or however many years

536
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: until these suckers work. I just want something now. Um

537
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: what is your response to that pushback? The best sign

538
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: the planet tree was was five years ago. It always

539
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: has been. To answer your question, mark, if you plant oaks,

540
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: oaks have a long time in the maturity. White oaks

541
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: can take up to twenty years before they bear fruit,

542
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: and most of the oaks take eight, ten twelve years

543
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: before you get into production. That was one of the

544
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: really unique things about chestnuts it's chest us could bear

545
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: it only three to five years, so you're not having

546
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: to wait a long period of time. When you're planning

547
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: fruit trees. Many of them are grafted and so grafted

548
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: trees are already using true wood to graft with, and

549
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: so they can bear it two to three years as well,

550
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: so you don't have this long wait time until you

551
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: start getting into production and buy. You know, with a chestnut,

552
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: by ten years you can be getting ten to twenty

553
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: pounds and nuts per tree, so it's not that long

554
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: a return. And but the other interesting thing about chestnuts

555
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: that's a real advantage is chestnuts there every year no

556
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: matter what. They don't flower until after leaf out of

557
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: the spray. Oaks flower before they leap out, and so

558
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: sometimes olks get and you know, if you hunt an

559
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: area you know the oak, the acorn crops will cycle.

560
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it will be two or three years, and then

561
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: you'll get a huge bump or crop of acorns. Wildlife

562
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: like repetitive food, and you know they'll be more attracted

563
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: to come back if you've got food crops every year,

564
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: or they have to move to find where the acorns

565
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: are going. To be you know, dropping that year or

566
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: if you have a thin year all over. But if um,

567
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: then take about chestnuts, is that because they flower so late,

568
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: they flower after the threat of frosts and springtime, and

569
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: so they miss a lot of those late season spring

570
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: frosts and produce much more reliable crops. You're in your

571
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: own So would it be your recommendation to you know,

572
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: plant uh a diversity of different tree and shrub species

573
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: if you were starting out with something like this, so

574
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,280
Speaker 1: you would have some things that would start producing mass earlier,

575
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: like a chestnut or maybe some of these different shrubs

576
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: and berries, and then you know, a handful of years later,

577
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: then whatever else you were planting, maybe apples or per

578
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: simmons or something else would start producing, you know, in

579
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: the longer term, so you don't wait to plant them.

580
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: You get them all plants as soon as possible, and

581
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: then slowly over time you're gonna get more and more

582
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: and more production. Is that the way to think about this? Sure,

583
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: that's exactly correct. Yeah, I think you could think about

584
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: like that. But I do think that there are um

585
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: some species that are just they're just really great grupplot

586
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: tree um, the chestnuts specifically we have, uh we shipped

587
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: to a lot of retailers, will King and Walmart and

588
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: are the largest size that we shipped, which is a

589
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: seven down size. There's a three year old tree. And

590
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: most of what we ship out about the flower and

591
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: fruit UM. And I see I see checknuts on those

592
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: sizes actually really frequently. So I mean you can go

593
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: to a store and get a a a mass producing

594
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: tree um and with the persimmons, stand with the mulberry, um.

595
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: It's it's had a lot thicker. If I think in

596
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: people might um might think and those trees, I should say,

597
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: that's about really all trees, um, most trees. It just

598
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: produced so much mask. You know, It's something that I

599
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: look at year after year on the farms with the

600
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: same trees and our same orchards, I look at all

601
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: of the food that's being produced and I'm just blown

602
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: away by the amount of food that that is exactly.

603
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: We we harvest every single one of our chestnuts um. However,

604
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: we don't harvest all of our persimmon fruits. Our care

605
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: fruit are citrus that's on the farms. There's peach, there's um,

606
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: there's mulberry, there's a lot of fruit that we don't harvest. Uh.

607
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: And there's thousands of towns that's fall and and just

608
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: go away. They rot on the ground. We eat as

609
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: much as we can, but we just simply can't harvest

610
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: all of it um because they're they're budget sources. We

611
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: don't we don't sell the fruit self on the farm. Um.

612
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, plants the trees, you will get

613
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: a significant amount of fruits quite quickly. Be much differ

614
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: than you may think. So then let's say that somebody

615
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: is listening and they've been convinced that, yeah, tree should

616
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: be added to my repertoire. How how would you recommend

617
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: someone going about thinking through what the right trees would

618
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: be for different goals or for different areas. How do

619
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: you how do you think through that? The best way

620
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: for you to determine what to plant in your area?

621
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: I think first is to look at your usb A

622
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: zone USC a plant pardiness zone map is if you

623
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: just google that U S D A plant Pardiness zone

624
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: map has your U S D A zone and it

625
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: goes from you know, warm to cold um in the

626
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: in the South, it's like you know, Florida's zone, and

627
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I think it gets under the leaven and then ten

628
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: is Orlando area. Nine is where we are in uh

629
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: in Gainesville, and it just goes up all the way

630
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: to to Michigan. Where where Michigan is I think zones

631
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: UH full, five, four and five. UM, So check your

632
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: U S D A zone you can google that, google

633
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: your zip code and based on that you can go

634
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: to really anywhere that cells trees and it should on

635
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: the tag or on the website give you that information. UM.

636
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: And you know there are there are some big retailers

637
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: who are you or having trees and varieties that may

638
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: not survive in your area, So make sure to check that. UM.

639
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: Make sure to take a look at what zone you're

640
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: planning in and what the truth are. Then then next

641
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: from there, I would I would really recommend just go

642
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: now and taking a look at your property. UM. What

643
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: kind of soil do you have where are you wanting

644
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: to plant? Does it have full sunlight? UM? Does it

645
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: have uh you know, a way to get water to it?

646
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: If you don't have a way to get water to it,

647
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: come up with a plan to get water to it

648
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: for the first you know, a few years after planting, UM,

649
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: you can take a soil sample. UM, you can find

650
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: a soil sample online, UM really anywhere. But also you know,

651
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: your local feed and seed store or you know your

652
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: local AD extension office can can provide soil samples UM

653
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: and check out like what what kind of soil you have? UM.

654
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, do some research into your planting site because

655
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: kind of like that site crap is is important, UM

656
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: is important to think about. UM and all of those

657
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of factors will give you a general idea of

658
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: kind out what what you can plant in your area.

659
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: But I mean really primarily it's going to be your zone,

660
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: in your U s d A zone. Yeah okay, So

661
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: so then let's say we've done that, We've checked our zone,

662
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: and we've checked what our site specifics are. UM, all

663
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: things being equal, what would be a handful of your

664
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: top recommended trees to consider? You know, assuming that some

665
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: will be right for certain areas. If you had to

666
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: give me, like the greatest hits that everyone should at

667
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 1: least look into, what would those be? Yeah? Sure, yeah,

668
00:43:53,560 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: so I think that UM, I would start by thinking

669
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: about a range of UM, well, first highly producing trees

670
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: and second having a range of varieties that are can

671
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: produced at different times of year. UM. I think would

672
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: be would be preferable and best for a food cloth. UM.

673
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: But you know, number one I would recommend if your

674
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: fire goal is to attract wildlife and deer, the the

675
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: Dunstan chestnut is um, and the chestnut specifically is um

676
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 1: a tree that deer are are naturally wired to seek

677
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: out because of the rich history of chestnuts in America. UM.

678
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: It's it's something that they just smell and sense and

679
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: they come to it over many other Um. You know,

680
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: a corner or fruit, so chestnut um, and it produces

681
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: extremely heavily. Next, I'd say cher simon U. Cher Simmon

682
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: also is just a heavy producer. UM. It's high sugars

683
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: and in an important time of year. UM. Hair hair

684
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: is a really great tree. UM. I mean many types

685
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: of pair. You know, I would say, you know, people

686
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: may be worried about a specific variety, UM, but at

687
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if your goal is to

688
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: attract wildlife, most varieties are going to suffice UM with

689
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: with pair and per simmon um. You know, whether it's

690
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: late or not, I mean, just uh, if it's an

691
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: edible pair versus a versus a native pair versus m

692
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: improved you know, care for you know, a cold like

693
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: a cold hardy pair as long as it um as

694
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 1: long as I just think that in general, um deer

695
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: are just going to be attractive to fruit. So uh

696
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: lastly or some more would be um crab apple, I

697
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: mean apple in general, but we we sell crab apple

698
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: all over the Eastern United States because it is a

699
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: native and um it may not have very edible fruit

700
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: for us, but it does produce highly um. And it

701
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: is a native, so it has natural resistance to at

702
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: inc testing disease and weather that we uh see in

703
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: the Eastern United States. UM. Mulberry is another great producer

704
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: um and plum. There's native plums, but really any plum

705
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: um and then of course bushes like raspberry, BlackBerry, blueberry

706
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: um all great producers. I'd add mulberry to that list

707
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: because it's a really early ripening fruit in the springtime.

708
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think UM bears

709
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: in mind if you're buying some of the commercial fruit varieties,

710
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: let's say like a Gala apple or you know, uh

711
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: red delicious apple, A lot of the commercial varieties require

712
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: a lot of sprays and chemicals to produce fruit. They

713
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: were bred for fruit quality, not for disease resistance, and

714
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: so we tend to stick to more native called of

715
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: ours and UM. One of the other things you want

716
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: to do is look at ripening times. And we've got

717
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: several varieties of pairs. One of them is a doctor

718
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: Dear pair that was selected by Dr James Crawl in Texas.

719
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: He found it full of fruit at Christmas time, and

720
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: so we propagate that because it holds its fruit so

721
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: late in the season. And there are per simmons uh

722
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: that we sell native per simmons and will ripen in

723
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: August and some that will ripen in November. So you

724
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: can have fruit on the tree all the way through

725
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: the hunting season just because you've got you plant you

726
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: know in early a middle season, in a late season

727
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: variety and they all so you've got fruit ripening all

728
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: throughout pharmacason. So I think you know, or native variety

729
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: versus commercial varieties that are for because they're easier to

730
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: care for them. And then a wide range of ripening UM.

731
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: And also you know, just to touch on oak as well,

732
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: white oh has less annon and red oak and uh.

733
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: You know, deer have really sensitive taste buds just like us,

734
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: and that they would rather less canon because of the bitterness. Um. However,

735
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, acorns can take a really

736
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: long time to produce. Oaks can take up to twenty

737
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: years before they produce. But um we do so on

738
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: a website. A we sell saw toothed oak, which is

739
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: a faster producing oak. They can produce in uh, you know,

740
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: seven to nine years as opposed to the fifteen to

741
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: twenty years or some some other species. Um so a

742
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: saft tooth oak. We also have a gobbler saw tooth oak,

743
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: which is a little bit more of a compact kind

744
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: of st um if you're looking to have mass produced quicker. However,

745
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: acorns are also when when they do produce, they put

746
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: us a significant quantity of high fat uh mass, which

747
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: is uh you know, a really important food source as well.

748
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: So you know, wrapping that into your uh tree food

749
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: plot is also something to think about. Yeah, So if

750
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: we're planting tree food plots as as we're as you're

751
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: referring to them, is it best to do a mono culture?

752
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: Like Okay, if I'm doing this, I'm gonna do chestnuts,

753
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be all chestnuts because only just get

754
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: it just right in just the right place, or I'm

755
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: gonna just apples or just per simmons, or would you

756
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: instead recommend, you know, a blend. If you're gonna do

757
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: an orchard, it should be a bunch of different things.

758
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: How what would you recommend their diversity or perfect the

759
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: one same thing. From a pollination point, you need to

760
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: have the trees in the same area, so in small groups,

761
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got chests, that trees need to

762
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: be within the feet of each other across pollinate because

763
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: the wind pollinated. And it's better if you've got four

764
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: or five trees in a group. And then but the idea,

765
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, don't just plant one or two, plant you know,

766
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: half a dozen, eight or ten trees of a particular

767
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: type together, and then you know your next block will

768
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: have the same grouping, so not totally random because of

769
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: pollination concerns, but also um mixing them up. Will you

770
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: know you can do a lot, even in a very

771
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: small area, by just making sure that you've got to

772
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: mix of different varieties. So it's kind of a combination

773
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: of both. Would you ad anything to you, Yeah, I

774
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: think that it's just important to take a look at

775
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: m H. Yes, your species requires a pollinator or not.

776
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Some species are self fertile or just produce fruit on

777
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: their own without a pollinator. UM. So if it does

778
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: require a pollinator, then you have to plan at least two. However,

779
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: at least two planted fifty feet apart, um is still

780
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: only going to produce so many flowers, especially early in

781
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: the trees. Like so as that tree develops and it

782
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: starts to produce more flowers every year, UM, it will

783
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: start to pollinate each other um more and more. But

784
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: with uh, you know, with three or five or ten trees,

785
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: it's going to start to have more poll interpollination um

786
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: earlier in in your in your food plot. So there's

787
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: something to think about. I would recommend having a variety

788
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: of tree because I think that having the different types

789
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: of nutrients is all important. Um. However, it just depends

790
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: on how large your planting site is, you know, UM.

791
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: And and you know some some people want to plant

792
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: three trees, four trees, that's all the space they have,

793
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: and so in that scenario, you may just want to

794
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: plant homogeneous and have just one variety, Whereas if you

795
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: have a little bit of space for more trees, and

796
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: then I would recommend doing you know, a couple of

797
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: different varieties with at least I would say, at least

798
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: three trees within within pollination space so that they can

799
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: they can pollinate each other. I was gonna say, let's

800
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: talk a little bit land. Um, you know, site selection

801
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: and your property. Well, let's say you have a blot land. Yet,

802
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: what do you want to look for? Because E didn't

803
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: mentioned it before, I think it's really critical, is that

804
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: your soil is really important for your ability to be

805
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: able to have a good tree food plot. And you know,

806
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: as the and said before, go look at what's growing

807
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: on the property right now. If you've got nice oak

808
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: trees and you know, ell on the beach and that

809
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 1: sort of stuff growing on your property, you can grow

810
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: chestnuts and you can grow oak trees and probably most

811
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: of the fruit for your area. But if you've got

812
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: pine flat woods that doesn't have you know, very good soil,

813
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: and that's a common soil type down here in the

814
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: Deep South, especially Georgia, South Carolina. And then you know,

815
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: all the way along the Gulf Coast you need to

816
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: really find the best planning site. You know, consequently, further

817
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: north where there's rolling land or or bottom land and

818
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people come and say, well, look, a's

819
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: w a wet down there. I want to put the

820
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: trees down there. That's actually not the place to plant um.

821
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: A lot of trees. Chestis in particular don't like wet feet.

822
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: They can get root fungus by top thora and it

823
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: can you know, really stunt or kill the tree from

824
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: root fungus if the soil stays to wet. If when

825
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: the snow melts in the spring down in the bottom

826
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: of a of a swale and it stays moist for

827
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: a long time, you want to avoid that. You want

828
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: an area with with air drainage and water drainage to

829
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: planning on a side slope, especially like south facing slope

830
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 1: is really good. The north facing slope can be really

831
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: cold if you're up north. You want to avoid that.

832
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: So you know the microclimate that you picked to plant

833
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: or if you're choosing property that has you know a

834
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: range of elevations. You know, looking at the native vegetation

835
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: the area will tell you a tremendous amount about what

836
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: you can grow on your property. The other other problem

837
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: with with you know, bottom land is in late spring

838
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: frost which always occur uh cold air settles in those

839
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: low pockets, and you can get a frost down in

840
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: one of those pockets went up on the hillside and

841
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: never frost at all, and so you can get leaf

842
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: damage or flower damage from late frost if you plant

843
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: down and uh, you know, in a bottom on a

844
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: in a pocket. So typically orchard sites are better where

845
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: there's good air drainage and water drainage in the soil. Okay,

846
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the next thing I was curious to

847
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more about. Now, what about sun

848
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: you know, do we need full open sunlight or can

849
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: you get away with some partly shady kind of patches

850
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: in an already somewhat timbered location for these types of things,

851
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Is it? Which is it? On that front? Yeah, you know,

852
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: chess has in particular, there are forest tree The reason

853
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: they were so common in the forest is they were

854
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: faster at competing to the tree fall gap. You know,

855
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: if you're a little seed underneath the big shaded canopy,

856
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: you've got to sit there and wait until you get

857
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: a shot at the light up above. And if the

858
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: tree fell. Chest Us were faster at colonizing that gap

859
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: than any other species. It's one of the reasons that

860
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: they were so widely spread, plus animals, you know, transported

861
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: the caeds around and planting them all over the place, schools,

862
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But the partial shade, partial sun.

863
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: The more sun the better. But planting in a forest

864
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: is not a problem as long as they have some

865
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: access to sunlight and then some trees a lot of

866
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: the fruit are. You know, they're not canopy trees anyway,

867
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: there might only be twenty or tall maximum, and so

868
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: they can grow in uh, you know, along the forest edge.

869
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: You know, if you've got a regular food plot, there's

870
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: no better place to plant trees than on the edge

871
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: of that, you know, that existing open food plot. It's

872
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: perfect location. Speaking of how quickly growing chestnuts are, there

873
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: was a from a book I love called The over Story,

874
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: and I jotted it down in case there was an

875
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: opportunity to read it, and so I got to throw

876
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: it in here. He wrote that the trees thicking like

877
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: enchanted things. Chestnut is quick by the time, and ash

878
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: has made a baseball bat, a chestnut has made a

879
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: dresser bend over to look at a sapling, and it'll

880
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: put your eye out. I thought that was pretty good.

881
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: That's a wonderful book. By the way, Yeah, so so

882
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: tell me this. Um, I kind of want to get

883
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: into some of the how to. So let's say we've

884
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: we've decided we want trees. We were gonna try a

885
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: couple different of these varieties. We're gonna do some clusters

886
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: here and there. Um, we found a good site for it.

887
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: Now we're gonna actually get out there and plant them. Um,

888
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: is the is your recommended planting process for trees? Basically

889
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: the same for all these species? You know, So if

890
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: you were to tell me the best way to plant

891
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: a crab apple, would it be about the same as

892
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: what you tell me when I'm planting a chestnut or

893
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: white oak or per ciment or they really different for

894
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: each species. Okay, it's it's a great question, but they're

895
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: all really similar. Um, you dig a hole about the

896
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: size of the container that the tree came in. You

897
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: don't need a big hole, and especially in areas with

898
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: heavy clay, don't dig this giant four foot wide hole

899
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: and put a bunch of multi in the bottom. That

900
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: becomes a sponge to whold moisture and root funcus. So

901
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: what we recommend is you dig a whole little you know,

902
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: about the size of or a little bit bigger than

903
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: the you know, the container. And let's say it's a

904
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: three gallon pot or a seven gallon pot, and you

905
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,959
Speaker 1: can then when you unpot the tree, you break up

906
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: the roots all around the perimeter of the root ball.

907
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: And and if you've got stuff that's crossed up or

908
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: growing together, you can go in with a pair of

909
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: clippers and clip them apart, but open the sagham open

910
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: and break them up. And it's those young, a little

911
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: tiny feeder roots that are where the tree up takes

912
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: all its bister and nutrients from, not the big thick roots.

913
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: They're a little white filaments along the along the edges

914
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: of the roots, set the tips of the roots. So

915
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: you put the soil back in after put the tree,

916
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: and and then you water and in really well basically

917
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: mudded in. And what that does is that gets rid

918
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: of an air pocket. Because when those little tender, young

919
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: feeder roots grow into an open air pocket, uh, they die.

920
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: And then you're not up taking oyster. But if you

921
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 1: flood the hole when you plant it, put your mud,

922
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: put you all your soil back in. And I don't

923
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: know why when you dig a hole in the ground

924
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: you put a tree back in and there's never enough

925
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: dirt until it back up. You um, you create a

926
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: mud bath for it, and that gets rid of all

927
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: of the the air pockets and then you can kind

928
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: of create a little they am around the outside. And

929
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: then what's really beneficial is put your molt on top

930
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: and that keeps the surface roots moister. When that tree

931
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: gets big, those roots or within one or two ft

932
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: of the surface, I mean, they may send a tapper down,

933
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: but that that root zone is this giant nutrient collecting

934
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: web that goes out to the tips of the branches.

935
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: And so it's this you know, it's this huge filter

936
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: out there trying to get moisture and nutrients, and it's

937
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: going to recycle the nutrients that are in the leaves

938
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: with leaves fall um. But so you wanna you know,

939
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: first you want to make sure your your solaw has

940
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: good what's called tilts. It's not rock hard, it's not

941
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: shale rock um. Don't put fertilizer down in the hole,

942
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: which is a common misconception because fertilizer ferns roots and

943
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: all those young feet of roots, especially if you're using

944
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: law and fertilizer something like that. Get a good time

945
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: release fertilizer that's gonna release slowly over three to four

946
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: months or longer through the growing season. That way, you're

947
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: not going to burn the burn the roots of transplanting

948
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: and multch those things in, and that mulch helps keep

949
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: the moisture in the soil after you mut it in.

950
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: And and the number one, single most important thing is

951
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: to continue watering the tree on a regular basis for

952
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: the first several years. And you know a lot of

953
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: people they live two hours from their hunting camp their lands.

954
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: If you can get out, get a tank from the

955
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: back of your tractor, get a tank that fits in

956
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: the back of your pickup truck. You can get five

957
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: gallon buckets and drill a little tiny hole in it

958
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: and let rain any rain that fills up, fill the

959
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: bucket and have it dribble back down on the tree.

960
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: If you've got access to a well, you know, you

961
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: can pump it all that water out there or put

962
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: in an irrigation system. But that water is the essence

963
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: of survival for the tree. And if you don't water

964
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 1: it and you get on one of those hot, dry

965
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,959
Speaker 1: summers like we've had the last few years, you could

966
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's just throwing your money away. It could

967
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: not not go back and water that tree. The other

968
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: thing that we really highly recommend is the use of

969
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: grow tubes or tree tubes, and we've tested a bunch

970
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: of different ones. We sell someone on the website. The

971
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: tree tube for a young tree actually does three or

972
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: four things. First, during the winter, critters want to chew

973
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: like mice and rabbits want to chew on the trunks

974
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: for food, and deer, you know, they'll eat the leaves,

975
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: especially of a chest the tree when the tree is young,

976
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: because they're so they're so tender and sweet, So the

977
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: tree protects it physically from tradation. Second, um, you know

978
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: bucks like the ruther antlers on them in the fall,

979
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 1: especially a young tree, a tree to protect protects it

980
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: from that. The third most, probably the most important thing

981
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: what they were developed for is during a night, when

982
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: that transpirational moisture is released out of the leaves, it

983
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: condenses on that tube and it slides back down and

984
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: recycles the water. So it's not just going up into

985
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: the air, but it captures that moisture and recycles it

986
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: down into the roots. So you know, the watering you're

987
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: doing is it's sticking around longer because the two captures

988
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: that moisture and and it trains back down to the roots.

989
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: And you know, when you're testing planting a tree by

990
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: itself versus inside a tree tub, you can get two

991
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: to three times of growth in a year of out

992
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: of a tree toub then you can just by putting

993
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: it out in the open. So it has a lot

994
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: of different advantages. And so that would be instead of

995
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: using a cage, right, you would never use both at

996
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: the same time, Is that correct? Yoh, yeah, you can

997
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: use both absolutely, but the beginning in the beginning, the moisture,

998
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: the it is really valuable. And then you just go

999
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: in and take that tree tube off and just the

1000
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: last three years. You'd take it off after two or

1001
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: three years and then then replace it with a cage

1002
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: or clificate. You know, pull it off and just let

1003
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: it grow inside the cage. But yeah, if you've got

1004
01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: especially it's got bear tree tubes are like playfuys and

1005
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: it's uh, they can really get in and re havoc

1006
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: with them, and so the cage helps a whole lot

1007
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: for that. And if a bus rubbing on him, you know,

1008
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: the cage protecting keeps the tree too from me and

1009
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: off Yeah, uh, Ian, is there anything else you'd add

1010
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: to that? And then one other, uh specific thing. I

1011
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: watched a video you talking once about weed mats, and

1012
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: that's something we haven't talked about yet. I'd be curious

1013
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: your thoughts on on that and anything else. Sure, Yeah,

1014
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: you know one more thing I would well, just a

1015
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: couple of things I would out one. I just I

1016
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: just can't help it. Stress. That's the number one thing

1017
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: that goes wrong with with planting is is watering. It's

1018
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: just a lack of water. Um. So I just have

1019
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: to reiterate what Bob said that getting water to your

1020
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: tree in the first couple of years, just like you

1021
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: said earlier, Um, you know, what you get in what

1022
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: you put into it is what you get out of it.

1023
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: And so having a plan to water is crucial for

1024
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: establishing a tree. Um. So you know, water plant, water plan,

1025
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: water plan. Um. But then I would also add, you know,

1026
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: just just to clarify the the grow tube is specifically

1027
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: for a younger tree like a year A year old

1028
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: tree eighteen to thirty six inches a tree. Tubes are

1029
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: typically four to five foot, so a tree that would

1030
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: fit inside of a small grow tooth like that. Um.

1031
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: You know, we we ship online and most of our

1032
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: online shipping are are smaller trees eighteen or thirty six

1033
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: inches a couple of feet at most, and those those

1034
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: should go into a groceres grow tubes are just so beneficial,

1035
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: like Bob explained, Um, but you know, are are larger

1036
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: sizes that we shipped to larger retail box stores like

1037
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: Walmart Rooking. They're a little bit too large for a

1038
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: grow tube. But what I would recommend is having a

1039
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: cage for for both. So at any planting time, no

1040
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: matter the size, having a tree cage I think is

1041
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: really crucial because wildlife um is gonna just mess with it.

1042
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: You know. The grow tube is going to help maybe

1043
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: with with with small critters like rice mice and squirrels, um,

1044
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: but you know anything larger deer bear, um, if you

1045
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: gotta have a pretty substantial tree cage. Otherwise there's they

1046
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: just love the tender root, the tender tips of a

1047
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: newly growing tree in the springtime, and if it's below

1048
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: the brows line, they're going to get in there and

1049
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna knock it over and it's you know, investment

1050
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: is gone. Um. But yeah, we've met our complete addition. UM,

1051
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, weed is competition for nutrients and and moisture.

1052
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: And so if you're you know, if you let uh

1053
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: weed competition grow up and basically strangle a tree out

1054
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: of UM, you know that that you know that nutrients.

1055
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: I've seen it before where we've actually done this before

1056
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: on the farm. We haven't gotten back out to a

1057
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: new planting on one of our orchards, and we see

1058
01:08:54,000 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: UM it basically outcompete and even out sunlight. Uh. Some

1059
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: of the smaller trees, I mean, the grass can get

1060
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: as you know, huge, and and that'll that'll just kill

1061
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: a tree. So we mat at least gives it a

1062
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: little bit of room. UM, so that you know, if

1063
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: you can't get out there, it will take a little

1064
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: longer for that we competition to grow up around it,

1065
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Speaker 1: the grass to grow up around it. UM. And something

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: else to mention that we haven't touched on yet is

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Speaker 1: you know, is herbicide. UM. And you know it's okay

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Speaker 1: to to spray herbicide around a tree. UM. If you're

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Speaker 1: if you're what I what I would say, you're not

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Speaker 1: an expert, I would not UM broadcast spray around the

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 1: newly planted tree um a grow tube and help protect

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01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: a very young tree. Uh any tree in the first

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, three or five years, it doesn't have significant

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01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: bark development yet and it's uh cambrio layer is just

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01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: underneath that. You can actually take your thumbnail and scratch

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: an m tree and you'll see green um. And if

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01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:27,680
Speaker 1: you spray herbicide, it's it will go into that um

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01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,560
Speaker 1: that you know, soft layer, and they can kill a

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01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: July planted tree. So a weed mat is it's just

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01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: another kind of you know, step in protection that you

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01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: can take before springing UM. And I would recommend hand

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: eating around young trees for some time because even if

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01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: you spray, and even if you think you you are

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01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: not getting the base of the tree with any of

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01:10:55,120 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: your herbicide, UM, there's wind will drift. If there's a

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: windy day or even a little after it can ta

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01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: can kill in the tree. So it's just gonna be

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01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: really careful about about leat protection, which is why we

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01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: recommend a weave not okay, other than that ongoing water

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01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: plan in the long term, is there any other maintenance

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01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: for these trees you'd recommend. I mean, I've heard some

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01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: with apple trees is pruning and things like that, they

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: are sometimes recommended. Is is there anything else we should

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01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 1: be thinking about other than what you've mentioned chestnuts and

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: many of the trees don't take that much pruning. Um.

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 1: They're naturally going to seek the light and to send

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: that main shoot up and you know, you may want

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: to prune off some lower branches, you know, to get

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: it up above the brows line so they're not eating

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Speaker 1: the leaves on the lower branches, or if you're working

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01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: with machinery in there where you want to be able

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Speaker 1: to get underneath and you know, ride a mower around

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But it's there's there's not a

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01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: huge amount to do regular fertilization once a year in

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01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: the early spring with a time release fertilizer UM or

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: if you hit a really bad uh drought right uh

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: four or five years ago there was just a tremendous

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01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: drought and trees are dying all over the eastern uv

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: especially in the corn corn growing regions in the Midwest,

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01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: and UH it's you know, if you can get water

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01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: back out if you hit one of those droughts, that's

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01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 1: sometimes when you may need to go out. But that's

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: the beauty of it is and once the trees are

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: established after three or four years, they take care of themselves.

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Speaker 1: So you know, we haven't talked about pest management very much,

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01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: but they're really not many pests just to hardly any

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: um they're you know, you're not it's not something you

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: have to go out and spray. And if you're using

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: good native varieties, you're not having to you know, to

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Speaker 1: use a lot of chemicals. And I really second what

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01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: Ian is saying, and that stay away from round up

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: um in the first in the early area ages of

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01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: the tree. You'd be surprised at the amount of drift

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: that goes on and you can kill a young tree

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01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: really easily with with accidental overspray. So just stay away

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Speaker 1: from it and use sweeden at and use the hope. Okay, perfect, Well,

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Speaker 1: we we've we've covered a lot about the why we've

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Speaker 1: covered the what we've covered the how is there anything

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Speaker 1: Bob when when you're thinking through this topic that you

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: think is really important to still touch on that we

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: haven't yet, Is anything lingering on the tip of your

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: tongue that you really got to get out there or

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: do you feel we've we've checked the boxes, don't wait

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: every year you play, every year you put it off,

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01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: um know, is one one more year you gotta wait

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: for crops, even with with stuff that's scruting in three

1137
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: or four years. The rewards you get on a whole

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01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: lot of different levels from planting and growing trees is

1139
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: an amazing process. And it really is. You know, as

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:20,520
Speaker 1: you talked about, it changes the way you you see

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01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: your world. And I think that's the really, really most

1142
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: important lesson from this whole process. You're enhancing your land,

1143
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: but you're also learning how to really see into the

1144
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: cycles in nature and and participate in those cycles. One

1145
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: of the things that's not talked about very much and um,

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01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: but if you read the earliest settlers and uh in

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01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: the United States, the earliest explorers that the Native Americans

1148
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: living here planted chestnuts, they planted well nuts, they planted

1149
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,879
Speaker 1: hickories because they knew the value of those food crops.

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01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the reasons the chessups may

1151
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 1: have been so common in such a large area they

1152
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: were planted by the by the early native populations that

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01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: lived here. And so, you know, we're living in an

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01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 1: era right now where there's so much development and you know,

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01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: we've we've farmed it, fence road of fence row, take

1156
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: a little time, replant those fence rows, plant around your

1157
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: food plot, replant some of the areas that have been logged,

1158
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're really doing not only are

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01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: you gonna learn about the cycles that you're doing, you

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01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: know the whole system of benefit and you know you'll

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01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: reap the harvest for decades. Yeah, I would you would

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01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 1: you add anything else? And then also would you give

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01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: us a rundown of where listeners can find more about

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01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: your nurser online, how they can order trees or any

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01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: other other things we talked about. Yeah? Sure, Yeah, you know,

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01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: I think I think kind of like Bob started to

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01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: with there, it's sure, it's just you know, just getting started.

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: I think is is you know the best thing? I

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 1: know that as just like with everything else. UM, you know,

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: you can read about it all you want, and you

1171
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: can think about watering and you know, the weating, but

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01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 1: until you do it, you may not. Um, you're just

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 1: you're just not going to figure out how it's gonna

1174
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: work on your property and you know, in your environment, um,

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01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 1: in your soil, you know, at your planting site, until

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01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: you do it and you might find some pickups along

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,480
Speaker 1: the way. You know, Mother nature likes to throw curveballs

1178
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: with with weather and climate and you know test sometimes

1179
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,600
Speaker 1: in disease that that come up. Um. And so I

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01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: just would recommend getting started because the sooner you do,

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01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 1: the sooner you can happen this stablished plot. Um. But

1182
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: you know, besides that, it's it's just a matter of

1183
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: doing it, just like anything else you can. So you

1184
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:16,520
Speaker 1: can google us at Chestneyhill Outdoors. We have a website

1185
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 1: Chestnut Hill Outdoors dot com. Um. You can purchase from

1186
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: us for our two major shipping seasons. We have a

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: shipping season in spring and a shipping season in fall,

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 1: but you can place orders for most of the year um.

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01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: But the best time to to start, you know, looking

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01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: for those orders is kind of late summer when we

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,879
Speaker 1: start turning them on the website inventories. And then in

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01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: in you know, the mid to late fall, we'll start

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: turning on our inventories for spring as well, so keep

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01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: an eye out on that. You can also follow us

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01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: on Chestnut Hill Outdoors Facebook and Instagram, and we make

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01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: announcement about those kinds of things um. And we we

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01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: also shoot all kinds of information out and fun you know,

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: equip its and stuff for for learning. Um. And then

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Speaker 1: we also shipped to Walmart, Rule King and some select

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01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: co op feed dealers in Pennsylvania and New York. But

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: we shift just about all the eastern United States. Uh.

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01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: And if you want to find a location your you

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01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: you can go on our website to the store locator.

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01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: This is yeah, such part that you can search your

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01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: town or your zip code and it'll pop up all

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01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: the stores you know, sixty mile radius of you, and

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: you can go to that store. You can see how

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01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: many we shipped. You can see when we shifted it.

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Speaker 1: We're in the middle of our main shipping season right

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: now in spring. Um. So it's just we're just starting

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01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: to get into those stores. Um. And uh. You know,

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01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 1: just also if you want to hear more are about

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01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: the information we talked about today, We have just about

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01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 1: all of it on the website. We have a learning center.

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01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: You can go in about learning center and read about

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01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: watering and staking and weed control and and how did

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01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: how to do all of it? Um. So you know,

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01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: we we just you know, we have a lot of

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01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: institutional knowledge that we find. It's our pops to hand

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Speaker 1: that off to people, and so it's all available, all

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Speaker 1: there for you to to take advantage of, and we

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01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: hope that it helps you to be successful at pointing treat. Amazing.

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: I really appreciate It's been fun to get to dive

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01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: more into this topic with you guys. And like I said,

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01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:44,519
Speaker 1: I've been on a been on a tree bender lately,

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01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to get my hands dirty and planting

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01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: some this spring too. So you guys have helped me

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01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 1: out personally as well. So thank you. Yeah, absolutely, let's

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Speaker 1: talk against soon. All right, very good, thank you. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that is a rap. Thanks for tuning, guys. It's uh

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01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: It's Earth Day in just a few days after this

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Speaker 1: one publishes, So if you don't already have plans, maybe

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01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 1: consider plant a tree, plane a tree or two, get

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01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 1: a chestnut put on the ground help bring these suckers back,

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: or maybe just find whatever is available at your local

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01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 1: Walmart and plant it in your backyard or in your

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01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: back forty. It's gonna be great for deer, it's gonna

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01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: be great for all sorts of animals. It's good for

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01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 1: the water, it's good for the air, it's good for

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Speaker 1: you and me. So that's my that's my final message

1241
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,799
Speaker 1: for I appreciate you listening. Let's go plant some trees.

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Speaker 1: Read the over story. If you haven't yet, check out

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Speaker 1: Chestnut Hill Outdoors, and until next time, stay wired to hunt.