1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Recently on House people in House has been going to 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: other places and interviewing, and it's been so many episodes 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: that I wanted to highlight some of my most important 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: ones that I felt that we really needed to be 5 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: examined and explored in different capacities. And this is one 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: that will be instrumental in educating from all types of 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: house housing and houseless people. Uh. And it definitely breaks 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: the mode from deoliberal or liberal ideas about unhoused people 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: all they have to do is mean, test and work 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: and those kind of harmful with policies or understandings. And 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: it also pushes against the conservative idea that has infustrated 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: our community as well. Say, Cisco World Francisco, you've god 13 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: some people just sid This is Steel and Henderson Coldian 14 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: House and we are here in San Francisco to one 15 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: of the earlier creators and one of the founders who 16 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: have had lived experience of being in House, and we 17 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: have a few people here that we're getting their insight 18 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: and perspectives with. I'm going to let the person because 19 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: I didn't my name is CEO. I didn't introduce myself, 20 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: So what's your name and tell us a little bit 21 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: Janet Janas, tell us a little bit about your story. Well, 22 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: I am at recovering at it. I've been through a lot. 23 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: I'm great, thirty eight and you know, I've definitely seen 24 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: a lot of different things that's happening, you know, through 25 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: addiction without being an addiction that I could say. I've 26 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: seen more progress in the past with the environment versus 27 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: now with the COVID nineteen. I think that's what the 28 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, it comes with the mayor, comes with the 29 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: officers around here, things of that nature. I've seen anthrax, 30 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: I've seen towers come down. I'm seeing a lot of 31 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: different experiences, but this is probably the worst. Our city 32 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: is not as effective at as I would like it 33 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: to be. I am. I've been cleaning from cracocaine for 34 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: six years and what I see now is that the 35 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: poverty is terrible. I have my different opinions about London breed, 36 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: which is I've seen it get more worser now that 37 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: she's in office than than before. Just my opinion. So, 38 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: but you know, it's too lenient the officers here, but 39 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: the you know what the things going on, all the shooting, 40 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: all the you know, drug infestation. You know, there's not 41 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: enough being done. You know, I'm on Citizens Act and 42 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: somebody got got massed over here right across street from 43 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: the police station. You know, that's how bad it is 44 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: to where you know, who's you know, the jobs are 45 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: not getting done. You know. I I let me ask 46 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: you a question because I'm I'm hearing us. Are you 47 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: talking about you're looking for them to crack down on 48 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: an unport? I mean everything from us weren't on mask. 49 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: You know, the city won't get better until they actually 50 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: do their part, you know, as a you know, as 51 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: a job. Okay, So all these people getting jobs here 52 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: from the second chance jobs, the Porter parties, a lot 53 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: of people with green food humbles to make sure that 54 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: the streets are are are nice and clear, you know, 55 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, and and keep the s you know, sidewalks 56 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: clean from you walking down street and seen all the poverty. Okay, 57 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm just clear because I topic right a 58 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: little even's back up a little bit, because one what 59 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: we and House do and what we stand for is 60 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: we're trying to be able to create a new situation 61 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: then relying on police because they bring violence. And for example, 62 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: there has been some of my guests here that have 63 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: issues with substances and mental health issues, and some of 64 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: them have met a violent in for just existing, So 65 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: we don't stand for them coming in and cleaning up. 66 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: We believe is if we are community members, we believe 67 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: in our creating new solutions. For example, it shouldn't take like, 68 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: for example, the mother who had her son was beaten 69 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: because he had a psychotic episode killed to be when 70 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: she's calling him to get him some help, that's not 71 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: that's not the solution. So what we're trying to do 72 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: and what this podcast does, it's like, so what can 73 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: we creatively do like trauma informed care? What can we 74 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: do create situations and solutions to make sure that it's 75 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: not a crime to have a mental health issue. It's 76 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: not a crime to be have to be addicted to 77 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: substances because most people have trauma and they utilize the 78 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: best things that they can to cope with that trauma. 79 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: So I so that's where I'm coming from, you knowing 80 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: A and coming from Walden Houses and you know, leave 81 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: with war centers and all this. You know, now tender response, 82 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: trauma informed with phot Factory sixty is that nature? I 83 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: really feel like you know, it starts within the organizations 84 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: not to make it cause you know, I mean I 85 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: do have a heart for people that does have mental 86 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: you know, emotional physical issues, you know, to where they 87 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: can't you know, they can't constantly, they can't pick themselves 88 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: back up on their own, you know. But some of 89 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: these programs and stuff and now these days are too 90 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: lenient to the people because I have, for example, I 91 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: know someone that's staying at two fourteen. He's been there 92 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: two years now, okay, you know, and you know you 93 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: can use in the house now, you can do all 94 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: these things. You know, but it's harm reduction. But I 95 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: was gonna say, because people don't. One of us just 96 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: thinks this disinformation that's out here is people think that 97 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: people can magically come off of it. This is a 98 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: health issue, and what we need is harm reduction sites 99 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: because it takes time. Because if you do for some 100 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: people that have been using into medication and from a 101 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: psychological or a medical standpoint, that body has re uh 102 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: replenished and utilized that drug as the coping mechanism. And 103 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: so if you tell them to just drop off and 104 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: take you know, do it cold turkey, they will die. 105 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: That mean literally literally, so are used to drug the 106 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: damage control that has been done, you know, and I 107 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: understand that. You know, I started using when I was seventeen. 108 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: What made you get start to use it at seventeen? 109 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: The TSD my mom as a lot of abuse in 110 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: my life, I think for me because I went to 111 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: Capital School for fourteen years and my and my family 112 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: tried so hard to get me not to see, you know, 113 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: all the trauma in the world, things that nature. It 114 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: kind of deterred me, like my backpack, Like Dorty explored, 115 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to see what's going on out here, 116 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: cause I I, I've been so in in the shell 117 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: for so long. You know, all my friends probably got 118 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: pregnant already with smoking weed and all the stuff, and 119 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: I never really really had that experience. So I was like, 120 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, I was I was trying to see what 121 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: the world had to you know, you know, what it 122 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: was about, you know, and I kind of went far 123 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: from one step to the next step, and finally, you know, 124 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: I you know it. But for me, I I I understand, 125 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, as far as you know, giving people the 126 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: chance to you know, to to find themselves, you know, 127 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: to get the help that they need. For me, it 128 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: it it took me a lot of different situations the 129 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: programs to to say, hey, you know what, it's not 130 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: really up to these people that's com beat me up 131 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: with this information. You know. I I found my way 132 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: within the choices, you know what I'm saying. And I 133 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: we all have choices too in life, you know, some 134 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: of the trauma that hasn't done certain people though, they 135 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: can't even find find that choice, you know. And Uh, 136 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: but UH, like I say, I I I I I I, 137 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: I kind of understand where you guys are going, you know, 138 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: with it. And I thank God for the the the 139 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: the where where he has brought me to to understand, 140 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: cause a lot of people can't understand the trauma's been 141 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: done s from from years and years in the past, 142 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, from growing up that they possibly will will 143 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: never find it, you know. Well, and now one of 144 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: the things and the reason that's it's just so fresh 145 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: in my mind is like you and uh, Carlos and 146 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: I was in Oakland and there was an elderly woman, 147 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: she had to be in her mid seventies. MM. She 148 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: was brutally beaten and raped, uh a few weeks ago, 149 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: and she to cope with that, she's using and you know, 150 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: so you know, so it's like it's very difficult for 151 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, someone that's I sid not understand. We don't 152 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: know everyone's story. We don't know on the trauma that 153 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: they're going through. And if we utilize the same destructive 154 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: abusive practices that we've hat in so long, uh we've ingested, 155 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: like police or criminalization, we're never gonna get You cannot 156 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: You're not gonna jail a person to sobriety. You're not 157 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: gonna jail someone to to mental you know, to mental satity. Well, 158 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I'm gonna be honest about what I'm 159 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: going through right now. That's still I don't use caro 160 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: cocaine anymore. And I'm so I'm a dB survivor. I 161 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 1: almost like my ex boyfriend two years ago in my 162 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: baptop from you know, getting chucked out, you know what 163 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And so although I'm gonna use cracking more 164 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: my alcoholism, you know what I'm saying. So I understand 165 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: trying to cope and deal with certain issues without under 166 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. With with with with getting 167 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: the help or or or find yourself getting help that 168 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: you need. People People's stories like you know Cooper's you 169 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know my insight to time 170 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: of you just pool all these stories and all these 171 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: you know things in so I can know, Hey, just 172 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: like everybody else, you know, I've fought for a different life. 173 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: But it's one to talk for the other, you know, 174 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: uh at in the day. So I trying to make 175 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: sure that you know, I'm I'm I'm no better than 176 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: anybody else. Keep the understanding of what uh of what 177 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: you know poverty is and what it could do. You know, 178 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: the pain, yeah, the suffering, yes, and trauma because like 179 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's very very traumatic to be 180 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: out here and particularly and what you Cooper you pointed out, 181 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: it's very and I I'm interviewing it and I know 182 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: it's c it's very dramatic for women and men too, 183 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: but mostly for women because they're very vulnerable. Here's a 184 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: late seventy year old woman who has got really you know, 185 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: there's so she had to be moving to another community 186 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: where it's safe. But what imagine You've been displaced and 187 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: no one's uh or or uh really there for you, 188 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: and the only solution that they have is you find 189 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: you to put you in jail or the criminalize. It's 190 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: just it's just not you know, you're gonna find somewhere 191 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: to cope with that kind of darkness. Yeah, so uh, 192 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: and I'm definitely trying to see the light within, you know, 193 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, just saying, hey, Jenner, so you can get 194 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: about of this. I'm not in a relationship, so I'm 195 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: scared dealing with you know, the male factor, you know, 196 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's definitely so I understand poverty can 197 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: go in in different ways emotional stress, you know, and 198 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: and you know, and how we cope. I thank god 199 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: that I chose him to do it a different way, 200 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: cause I don't know what it would take me too, 201 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: if I was to go what I'm used to, what 202 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with, you know, but yeah, I I I 203 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: definitely just feel like the the environments, the you know, county, 204 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: the the police, and I if they'd be more in 205 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, Vulavo, two people like me from my past 206 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: to now Cooper's situation. I I think, you know, we 207 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't have all this, these killings and all these you know, 208 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: misunderstandings of someone you know that got a cart and 209 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and he's just trying to survive, 210 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, versus judging that person. So 211 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: there's a lot of judgment with the you know here, 212 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: and that's that's one thing that I'm definitely just to 213 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, I. I I've definitely cause I I I 214 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: I've learned how to share my story a little bit 215 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: more day by day, you know, so I can get 216 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: you know, not to be judged, not to be criminalized, 217 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: not to be putting the institution because I'm a cause 218 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: I said one thing that triggered somebody. You know what 219 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Just understand and listen to what I have 220 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: to say, right and then you might can get an 221 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: understanding of what you know, what I'm saying. You'll you 222 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's a bigger picture, you know, 223 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: not in the moment, you know what I'm saying, the 224 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: insight of of of that struggles, personal struggle. You know, 225 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: when I when I became in a house, I come 226 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: from a different, uh background myself. I had come from 227 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: a very well educated and I was a teacher, a 228 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: school teacher, and I got ill, and so I had 229 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: fell into the idea of deserving and undeserving h a 230 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: house and of course then that oh easily disabused when 231 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: you talk that they don't care if you got a 232 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: bachelor's and master's degree. They don't really really care. You know, 233 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna come to rest you, or they're gonna come 234 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: tell you to move. They're gonna you're gonna move. So, uh, 235 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: that opened my eyes a lot about house. But I 236 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: also think too doing this podcast, going different areas and 237 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: listening to other people's stories, people that have substant usage challenges, 238 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: people have mental health challenges, that are functioning, and understanding 239 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: that there is no such thing as a deserving an 240 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: unser deserving an unhoused person. We all need the humanity, 241 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: we all need care, and we all need kindness. My 242 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: mother used to say this all the time, used to 243 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: drive me crazy, But it don't cost you nothing to 244 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: be kind And that is what I want to want 245 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: to pass on because we don't know everybody's storic and 246 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: not a time. Sometimes they're dealing with so many unsubmountable challenges. 247 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: That's just by the outside. We can make a snap judgment, 248 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: but we really don't know what they're battling from day 249 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: to day. So I want to ask this lady. I 250 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: didn't hello, I would yield. I would like to introduce myself. 251 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: My name is Oh. I have a podcast called Media 252 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: and House. What's your name? Now? I feel i'm roadkill, roadkill, 253 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: these these unique names. A lot of people feel uncomfortable 254 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: with saying roadkill. So you can call me Kade, okay, 255 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: because I don't want to be disrespectful. This is okay. 256 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about your story. That 257 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: is a huge I mean, it's like one of those 258 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: things like where you where do I start? I mean, okay, 259 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: so I guess to start? I mean, I mean, first off, 260 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: I mean, do you want to paraphrase anything that you use? Well, 261 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: let's just let me make it easier for you. So 262 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: you're here in the Coalition runer Homeless. How long have 263 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: you been here? So? I have been with the Coalition 264 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: since twenty eighteen, and beforehand, I used to visit the 265 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: coalition in the mission when my mother used to receive 266 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: street sheets. Oh cool, So you got interested that way. 267 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: So what can you tell us about? What's the first 268 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: impressions that you had when you heard about street sheets? 269 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: So I grew up a lot around my mom's community, 270 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: which were the homeless, like the homeless population. So I mean, 271 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: my mother was a homeless worker. My mom was a 272 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: homeless sex worker and been like that since I was 273 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: not well, since she was nine. So honestly, I find 274 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: that having the street sheet is like amazing, and you know, 275 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: we were one of the first, you know, cities in 276 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: America to actually do it. And I just wish that 277 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: people would take this program and make a pilot program 278 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: for themselves because I find that, like this supplemental income 279 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: is like really rewarding and it just provides dignity to 280 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: the people that we served. So if you made me 281 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: stepping back a bit, your mother was a sex worker, 282 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: but were you raised in the streets or was you 283 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: your mother protected? Most parents tried to do the best 284 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: they can. So so just to give you a little 285 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: background story because I don't want to take too much 286 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: of uh, we have plenty of time. So well, it 287 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: is also my sub elements my mom's story, so I 288 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: don't want to say so much of hers, but you know, 289 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: she I was born in a hotel in the mission 290 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: says that on my birth certificate. You know, it doesn't 291 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: get any more San Francisco than that, you know, So 292 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: just being in the streets was kind of like embedded 293 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: into my blood before I was born. Okay, so you 294 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: know my mom kind of going back a little bit, 295 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: was like what you were talking about. You know, I 296 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: do completely agree with you that trauma definitely is one 297 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: of the leading factors of why people used and that 298 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: was the case for my mother. Something really had happened 299 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: to her. She was nine years old and she was 300 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: sexually abused. So let's be clear, Yeah, something like that, Yeah, exactly. 301 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: She was sexually abused and the only way she could 302 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: cope with it was turning to the community that was 303 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: welcoming to her, and you know, she kind of ran 304 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: with it from there. My mom, she always felt like 305 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: an outsider growing up, even when she was in close 306 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: proximity to family. And you know, by the time I 307 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: was two years old, I was in full custody of 308 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: my grandmother because my mom just couldn't she couldn't settle 309 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: Down's never been one of those people that you know, 310 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: she can like root herself in one place, like she 311 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: always has to be on the go. And she gave 312 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of that to me too, about the 313 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: same way, except in the nature where I have some 314 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: responsibilities now that I have to take care of. That 315 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: keeps me grounded. But my mom never could find that 316 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: for herself. And I remember the first time I was 317 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: ever introduce introduced to the homeless community. I was younger 318 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: than five, and I remember looking at them and just 319 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: seeing myself in their faces, you know, like it could 320 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: be any one of us, you know. And I remember 321 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: at a young age, I looked at them and I 322 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: just remember being like, why isn't there any help? You know, 323 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: even then, there was enough help, you know. I see 324 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people hurting, you know, them using substances 325 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: is honestly the only thing that makes them feel like themselves, 326 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: and it also kind of keeps them, takes them away 327 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: from the pain they've been inflicted with, you know, even 328 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: just for a moment. You know, like, yeah, the high 329 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: is like a five minute high, but that was who 330 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: knows how long for them and their mental stability. And also, 331 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: I guess the first time I ever personally became homeless, 332 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: I was, oh, well, I guess I was on the 333 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: borderline of being I mean I was a child homeless 334 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: with my mother, but I mean by myself, I was 335 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: about fifteen going on sixteen. You know what happened. So 336 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: I was dealing with a lot of shit at home. 337 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: I remember becoming truant and that kind of escalated things 338 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: in my family life. And then I came out as 339 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: being clear, and then that also did that did its job. 340 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: I had a lot of family turned them their backs 341 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: against me. You know, I come from a very Catholic, 342 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: conservative background Mexican. Yeah, they're very conservative. Yes, so you 343 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: know the thought of somebody in their family being gay 344 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: or what they like to call it. They called me 345 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: a hotel hobo hotel I mean, is that you said? 346 00:19:53,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: I hope that's Spanish or gay? Oh okay, okay, discriminative 347 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: or very It looks like an insult. It sounds like okay, 348 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: definitely used as a slur, and I definitely did not 349 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: feel welcome there. I was also combating being abused by 350 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: my stepfather. Someone it's time to get the hell out 351 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: of here. And I continue to go to school homeless 352 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: until I got my GD and then for that I 353 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm just gonna go and 354 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: have a free for all and do what I want 355 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: to do. And I started using myself the substances I 356 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: used to like to do well, at first. At first 357 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: it started out with prescription drugs. I had been in 358 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: an accident when I was younger, and so I got 359 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: addicted to that. And then when I was on the street, 360 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: I started doing a little bit of everything. You know, 361 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,239 Speaker 1: there wasn't anything I wasn't doing except for hair on 362 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: not saying anything to people who do that. I had 363 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of a limit for myself. I also 364 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: am like kind of terrified of needles. Thanks Mom, she 365 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: was terrified needles too. Yeah, so you what you said 366 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: to me is very moving and powerful and and I 367 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: when you were saying that, I I I was feeling it. 368 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: But also my mind is like, of course because of it, 369 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: the situation is so new. What uh the elderly woman 370 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: h explaining expressing it? So I I I can truly 371 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: connect and understand what you mean. It's very very difficult 372 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: out here, and it's and generational trauma is very real too. 373 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: It's like and it's it's and you're explaining it to 374 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: me very well, because I I understand that broken glass 375 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: cuts and unfortunately it affects us all. You know, as 376 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: a child, you ingest and you want the best for 377 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: your mom. If you see that she's not okay, then 378 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: you're going to rest. It's gonna resonate. And I wanted 379 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: you to know it's like, what was your guiding force? Again? 380 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: You said you was a street sheet, But is there 381 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: anything that you you hear that you would like to 382 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: influence or kind of encourage some people that are going 383 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: through s maybe similar situations. Would you? I guess the 384 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: only thing I have to say is, you know, like, 385 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to use your voice, cause I was 386 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: afraid to use it for so long, you know, until 387 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: I came to the coalition. Why would you, uh, why 388 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: were you afraid? I was afraid to use my voice 389 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: before because I was it was like in fear of 390 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: like retaliation or someone being like shut up, like you 391 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. But people that just 392 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: didn't have any personal experience to being homeless, and you know, 393 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: just see homelessness as like this demon in the night, 394 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: and it's really not, you know, it's so multi layered. 395 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that I I I 396 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: advocate even among our in our community. I tell uh, 397 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: people that maybe experience a different brand of homelessness or 398 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: being on house a displaced that you know, we don't 399 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: corner the market on who should get help or not. 400 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: We have to we have to understand. There's so much 401 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: that's going on, you know. And and one of the 402 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: things one of the g uh guh communities that we 403 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: I I've been trying to work with is getting to 404 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: the sex workers. And there's so much shame and so 405 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: much branding against that from it. But the second beg you, 406 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: and it's the oldest profess and it's been the oldest profession. 407 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: You could look at the Bible and you could see 408 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: it's the oldest profession of the world. But it's like 409 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: our pure tanical and our judgmental way, there always a 410 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: want for it. There's plas a need for it, and 411 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: it's going to last me on this earth, you know, 412 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: continue for another thousands of years, yes long. And you 413 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like sex has always been a thing, 414 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: and I have I've never you know, when I was younger, 415 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't understand why my mom did it until I 416 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: had to basically sit in her shoes and be like, oh, 417 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: this is why. You know, it's again another form of 418 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: supplemental income, you know. And also to some to some degree, 419 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: it does dignify a person, you know, because they're you know, 420 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: they call the hours, they call the shots. This is 421 00:23:53,800 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: like a self made hustle, you know exactly. And my mom, 422 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: you know, she definitely liked having the freedom of you know, 423 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: choosing what she wanted to do with her body. And 424 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: you know, I find that very liberating, you know, for 425 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: especially for just women in general. Like a lot of 426 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: the times throughout history we've been told like shut up off, 427 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: like you're a horror few piece of like all these 428 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: different things, and it's like why though, like why or 429 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: use the utilized to make it dehumanize you by using 430 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: your own sexuality or your choices and your who you 431 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: are that I see it econsistently. Unfortunately, we live in 432 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: a misog justistic world and a very masculine dominant world, 433 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: and the first thing we hear is that she wants 434 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: to misogyny. Yeah, yeah, definitely, so use a lot of 435 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: the times men don't want And I don't want to 436 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: generalize this, but I'm just saying a lot of the 437 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: times when people are very conservative about sex work, it's 438 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: just because they don't understand what it takes to like, 439 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's not for the meek of heart. Definitely 440 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: a strong person, strong individual to even put themselves out 441 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean. Always been a 442 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: strong person, and not only that resourceful, because like there's 443 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: a lot of women that have been using it to 444 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: feed their families, which we showed in other places, and 445 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,439 Speaker 1: things like that were taken in and only for someone 446 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: to try to minimize or reduce them and their whole 447 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: accident without understanding. That's one of the things. Your always 448 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: made sure we had food. You know. Sometimes people would 449 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: come and go, but she'd always make them leave, you know, 450 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: she wouldn't just let them stay. I mean, you know, 451 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: she did her thing that she had to do for us. Unfortunately, 452 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: I don't have the best relationship right now with my 453 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: Mom's most strained, and that's because over the last five 454 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: even six years, I've had to grow to a certain 455 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: point where I feel like I've had to leave her. 456 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm at this point in my life where 457 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: our ideals and our ideology of each other just does 458 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: not meet with one another. But I don't love her 459 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: any less because of what she does. I just always 460 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: constantly worry about her. You know, even when I was 461 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: homeless and my mom was homeless, and I didn't see 462 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: her like I always looked up at the stars and 463 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: hope she was safe and hopeful. Yeah, honest don't. And 464 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,239 Speaker 1: like you know, families are complex and complicated, and like 465 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: this situation here is like our society has about to 466 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: be much more kinder and much more understanding. And one 467 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: of the things that I really thank you for sharing this, 468 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: and I hope like people that are listening to this 469 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: meeting a lot of understanding and also offers a word 470 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: of kindness and encouragement to one another in order for 471 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: us to get through this. Definitely, I guess to kind 472 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: of fall back because I remember one of the things 473 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: you've asked to another interviewee was you were like asking 474 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: like what you would do differently or like how you 475 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 1: would implement things better, you know, And I think it's 476 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: just it's one of those things where we kind of 477 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: have to get over the elephant in the room and 478 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: we kind of have to just chip away and you know, 479 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: have like the broader understanding that this person that's doing this, 480 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: like it didn't just happen overnight. You know, eventually they 481 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: were led to this path because you know a lot 482 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: of people they think that people don't have choices. You know, 483 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: people do have choices, but I will say that what 484 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: choice do you have if you grew up in poverty, 485 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: There's not many choices. Like I grew up in poverty, 486 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: and a lot of the times I had to basically 487 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: create options for myself because they don't exist and they 488 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: don't exist for other people. And so one of the 489 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: things I would like to do, And if the city 490 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: officials ever listen to this podcast, I hope they do, 491 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, I want them to understand that, like, you know, 492 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: stop pushing away people's like pain and stop kind of 493 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 1: like dismissing it all in one you know, we are 494 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: what we are, you know, I am. My identity is 495 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: not my homelessness, but my homelessness is an experience and 496 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: I take that with me every day. I mean I 497 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: might have been housed now the last two years. I 498 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: was homeless for ten years, and before that I was 499 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: introduced to homelessness and it never sat right with me, 500 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: you know, like, how are we one of the richest 501 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: cities in the world and there's so much poverty? It 502 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense. I agree. Thank you very much 503 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: Ms Roquill for your time. This is THEEO Henderson from 504 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: Willian House and I thank you all for listening. Let 505 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: us hope again if we meet in the light of 506 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: understanding and kindness.