1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noone Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: Here we go, it's Wednesday. We are live. We're in Chicago. 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: It is the Herd wherever you may be and however 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 1: you may be watching or listening. Thanks for making us 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: part of your day. John Middlecoff and I here again 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: in tow So. I sat last night. John and I 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: watched several episodes of the Jerry Jones Netflix special The 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Gambler America's team, highly entertaining. Took a few notes. I 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: know that's dorky, but I had to take some notes 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: here and it is wild. First of all, it's another example. 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: We saw this with the Last Dance with Michael Jordans, 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: and we see this with Jerry. When you're when you're 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: creating something special, even if you're Michael Jordan or you 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: have Jimmy Johnson and Troigman. 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: It's hard. 24 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: It's really really hard for Michael Jordan all those years 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: getting tackled by the Pistons and the Celtics. But I 26 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: want to I want to start John with what was 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: and what is with the Dallas Cowboys. 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: So let's start with that. 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: So I read a story this morning Micah Parsons and 30 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: the Cowboys headed towards a divorce and a messy contract sagam. 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: So I'm watching that Netflix special last night, and what 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: is remarkable at Jerry Jones at that point it was 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: almost broke. He spent every penny on the Dallas Cowboys. 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson told me that. I mean, he spent every 35 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: penny on the Cowboys and after the first year they 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: didn't know if they were gonna make it, was he 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: gonna have to sell the team. But he was so 38 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: aggressive and so decisive and had such a clear plan. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: Jerry Jones did that. It all worked. 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: He would He got Apeman and Jimmy Johnson and Emmitt 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Smith and Michael Irvin and Dave wants that. And he 42 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: was patient and Jerry's still patient, sometimes too much. But 43 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: what you noticed with that Jerry is the aggressiveness, the decisiveness. 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: He made strong, swift decisions the herschel Walker trade and 45 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: never looked back. That's not the Cowboys today, where the 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Dak Prescott or Micah Parsons contracts in golf camp, in 47 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: golf the team. And as I was watching that, I thought, 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: you know what, you know who the Dallas Cowboys of 49 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: that era are. They're the Philadelphia Eagles. 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 3: Now. 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: The Eagles have a brand. The Eagles have the most 52 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: aggressive GM. The Eagles occasionally make mistakes, rarely with but 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: they're decisive. They don't look back. If they make a 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: move and they don't like it, they move off it. 55 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz immediately, they move off coaches who win Super 56 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Bowls if it's not a good fit today decisive push 57 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: push Saquon Barkley deal. The Eagles today are the Cowboys 58 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: in the Netflix special, Dallas now is reactive. Dallas then 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: was proactive. Philadelphia now proactive. They made a deal three 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: days ago. They're always making deals. And yet the Micah 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Parsons contract saga appears it's not going to end. Well, 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: you knew he was an All Pro as a rookie. 63 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Do what the Eagles do? Sign him early or trade 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: him and get a fortune. But the Dak I saw 65 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: a headline this morning. The Cowboys negotiating tactics have probably 66 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: cost them approximately one hundred million dollars. 67 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: Think about this, Dak. 68 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: Prescott's cap hit currently is bigger than aj Brown, Saquon 69 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: Barkley and Jalen Hurts combined. They don't get deals anymore. 70 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: Philadelphia gets deals. Philadelphia is always making moves. Philadelphia is decisive. 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: Philadelphia's got a running play they invented that used to 72 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: be Jerry Remember when he pushed back on the NFL 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: and like a Pepsi deal in the NFL wanted to 74 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: sue him, and I mean Jerry just he just didn't 75 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: herschel Walker move, Buy this oil, well, buy this football team, 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: fire tech, shram fire, the late great Tom Landry didn't pause. 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: That's business one hundred miles an hour. And Jerry knew 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: as an oil catter Maverick that you're not going to 79 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: go one hundred for one hundred. 80 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 3: But it didn't stop him. 81 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: Now there's video out there him acknowledging, Yeah, I don't 82 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: have the guts to do what the Rams did with 83 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: Golf and Stafford. 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 3: I could not do that. 85 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: Young Jerry, could I strongly suggest you watch it because 86 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: I just couldn't stop thinking those cowboys, that's the Eagles 87 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: now of the envy. 88 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,239 Speaker 3: Of the league. 89 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: We all go like, gether a little crazy up in Philadelphia. 90 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if Nick Siriani's the guy. That's what 91 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: they were saying about Jimmy Johnson first couple of years. 92 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: He's crazy. Jimmy Johnson, guy's crazy, crazy, smart. So I 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: mean it just it was amazing to watch how charismatic 94 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: the Cowboys were and how they lack an identity today. 95 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know what they are. But but Jerry, 96 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,559 Speaker 1: and he has always been a showman. His dad was cool. 97 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: Story. 98 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: He is on the red carpet for this show. For Jerry, 99 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: the one thing that remains a constant, he knows the 100 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: lights are on and he wants to perform. 101 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 4: I do believe if we're not being looked at, then 102 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 4: I'll do my part to get a sliped at. Oh, 103 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 4: it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have the great 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 4: players shoot. 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 3: But there's something more there. 106 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 4: There's sezzel, there's emotion, and if you will, there's controversy. 107 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 4: That controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and 108 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 4: having people's attention. 109 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're watching. You got our attention. We just don't 110 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: like the results, all right. So I haven't talked to 111 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers for a few days. It's about time. It's Wednesday. 112 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: So Aaron Rodgers is not going to plan in the 113 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: preseason finale. 114 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm okay with it. 115 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: He's sitting the preseason for second straight year. 116 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: He's not played. But it's a little different this. 117 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: Year because if you look at the early schedule for 118 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh first game, Aaron Glenn defensive guy, Jets, next game, 119 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: Mike McDonald Seahawks third game, Mike vrabel defensive guy, fourth game. 120 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: Best defensive coordinator in the league in my opinion, Brian Flores. 121 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: And he's not taking a preseason snap. He had an 122 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: abbreviated offseason, so he's never taken a stap snap with 123 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, he's never taken a live stap with Arthur Smith. 124 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: PFF rates the offensive line at twenty first and for 125 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: whatever reason, blame who will you want? The Steelers have 126 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: not consistently run the ball for about six years, maybe eight, 127 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: and that's Aaron's reality. So I do think Pittsburgh needs 128 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: to get off to a hot start because in Aaron Rodgers' career, 129 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: there has always been one statistic. There has always been 130 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: one statistic that is hard to figure out. Aaron Rodgers 131 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: has the sixth most quarterback starts of all time, yet 132 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: he is tied for twenty fifth in fourth quarter comebacks. 133 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning forty three, Marino Elway in the thirties, kiss 134 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: fewer than Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Andy Dalton Well. His 135 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: teams didn't trail a lot, did Peyton Mannings, did Marino 136 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: in Elways? So why does Aaron need to start quickly? 137 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: Because I've always used that stat and it belies what 138 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: I've always thought to be true. Aaron's personality changes based 139 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: on the score and his performance in games. One of 140 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: the things I loved about Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, Patrick Mahomes, 141 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: and Tom Brady. 142 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: They do not give a rip. 143 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: If they've got two pick six's in the first quarter, 144 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: They'll play their ars off. They are fox hole guys, 145 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: they are ballers. They don't care in game performance does 146 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: not change their personality. Sometimes I'd watch Andrew Luck or 147 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning after a really bad pick and I'd be like, guys, 148 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: Meys scale back a little on the aggressiveness Pyton was. 149 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: That's not who Andrew Luck was. Aaron's different. Aaron gets dark, 150 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: he gets moody, his demeanor changes, his facial expressions change. 151 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: He'll throw the ball away. He in game pouts. 152 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: That's what describes in otherwise inexplicable stat twenty fifth all 153 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: time in fourth quarter comebacks. He's got the six most stars. 154 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Is that if Aaron's not playing well, he's trailing late, 155 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,359 Speaker 1: he kind of bails. And if you look at this schedule, 156 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: this schedule is defense, defense, defense, defense, elite defensive coaches, 157 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: and he's never taken a live snap with DK Metcalf, 158 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: Arthur Smith, it's not a good old line. So I'm 159 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: not saying he should play it. I don't have a 160 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: problem with him not playing, but I didn't love the 161 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: abbreviated offseason, and I don't love it forty one years old, 162 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: he no longer has the talent to bulldoze mediocre teammates, 163 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh offensively has got to mediocre guys. So Mike 164 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Tomlin says he's totally comfortable with Aaron Rodgers not taking 165 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: a snap in the preseason. 166 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: Uncomfortable with what I'm seeing out here. Obviously, if I weren't, 167 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 5: I would be playing. Everyone else is under consideration. They're 168 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 5: preparing as if they're going to play. There are a 169 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 5: lot of variables in it. Who's playing for Carolina and 170 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 5: things of that nature that might provide worthy competition. But 171 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 5: as I sit here today, all healthy outside of the 172 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 5: fort that I mentioned are preparing and scheduled to play. 173 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: Forty one year old shaky o line, no run game, 174 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: never taken live snaps in the game with the OC 175 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: or DK metcalf And by the way, Aaron's a good 176 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: looking guy, and I have said before the league is 177 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: more interesting with Aaron Rodgers playing than not playing. I 178 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: don't think Pittsburgh is a good fit. I didn't necessary 179 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: the Jets was a good fit. 180 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: Deep down. 181 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: I was rooting for him to go to Minnesota or 182 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: San Francisco, but the Niners, like Brock Purty and JJ 183 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy was drafted, so it didn't happen. But I'll say 184 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: one thing that cannot be the last helmet he wears. 185 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: If you're watching me on television, you see this picture. 186 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: That helmet is so outsized. I can see the shadows 187 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: inside the helmet he looks like a small plane parked 188 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: in a delta hangar. Somebody get that helmet fixed for 189 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. See that thing right behind me? That cannot 190 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,239 Speaker 1: be the last picture of Aaron Rodgers. Tighten it up, Steelers. 191 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: You can't get the run game right, at least get 192 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: the helmet right for Aaron Rodgers. Okay, John I yesterday 193 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: we had some fun on the show where we took 194 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: the Bear schedule. I tried to be optimistic and I said, 195 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: life's about happiness, is about expectations. So if you really 196 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: look at the schedule for the Bears, if they go 197 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: nine to eight, you should actually come out of the 198 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: season and feel pretty darn good. That probably means you 199 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: split with your division. We're gonna do that with another 200 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: team today, and we're not gonna be as positive because 201 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: this is my going downhill fast franchise. So don't go anywhere. 202 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: We've got a lot going on today. In an update 203 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: with Caleb Williams and the Bears. 204 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 205 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 206 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 207 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: He's Mike Krmen. I'm Dan Bayern. 208 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 6: We have a fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex. 209 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: That's right, Dan. 210 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 6: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find 211 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 6: the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup, sit starts, 212 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 6: fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate 213 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 6: the competition. 214 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmon and 215 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: meet Dan Byer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast and 216 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 3: wherever you get your podcasts. 217 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: All right, it's been reported Caleb Williams other Bear starters 218 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: will play in the preseason finale against the Kansas City Chiefs. 219 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: I am for that in most instances. I do like 220 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks taking snaps. So going back to watching the 221 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: Cowboy Special last night, he just I mean, you just 222 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: forget how much patient we patients we used to have 223 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. 224 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 3: Troy Aikman just. 225 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: Got that, you know what, kicked out of him for 226 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: two and a half years his first two seasons starting 227 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: forget the fact that he was seven and nineteen, he 228 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: had twenty touchdowns and thirty six picks. And when he 229 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: played Philadelphia he was a pinata. I mean, they were 230 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: just beating on him, but you know what they knew 231 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: his talent, and they stuck with him. At one point 232 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: in year three, Steve Berline replaced him when he got 233 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: banged up, and I mean, you couldn't tell at the 234 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: time are they going to move on with Burlin? 235 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 3: Was a Notre Dame guy. 236 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: I think Burlin was kind of a fiery leader, and 237 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson liked that, and Jimmy was cutting guys left 238 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: and right, and You're like, man, this thing could go 239 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: sideways fast. It wasn't until Troygman got an aquarium and 240 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: Jimmy came over with some Heinekens and they sat down 241 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: and talked fish and not the band. 242 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: Talked actual fish. That they got along. 243 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: So it was a different world and it should be 244 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: with seven on seven camps. The coaching is better offensively. 245 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: I think the Colts shouldn't move on from Anthony Richardson. 246 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: I respected Arizona and Steve Khime. Moving off from Josh 247 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: Rosen for Kyler Murray, I probably would have done the 248 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: same thing. 249 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: I get that. 250 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: The difference with Tayleb Williams, though, is a He's more 251 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: talented than those guys and b. Chicago's never had a 252 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: great quarterback unless you count like didn't Sid Luckman play 253 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: in Chicago. I think, yeah, if a guy's name Sid, 254 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: it was probably in the thirties or forties. So Green 255 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: Bay the Packers, just a train ride north, have twice 256 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback in the first round and sat him 257 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: for three years. So they're the ultimate impatience. But there's 258 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: an argument to be made that you just have to 259 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: make Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams work. There's an argument 260 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: that make it work because for the first time that 261 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: I can remember, the Bears actually got a coach that 262 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: other people in the league wanted. They usually settle at 263 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: head coach, and they usually overdraft quarterbacks. Now you can 264 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: look at Jayden Daniels and bow Nicks now, but a 265 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: lot of people most people at Caleb Williams number one. 266 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: So the two most important people in the NFL to 267 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: winning quarterback one coach two, and my entire life, the 268 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: Bears settled at head coach, mostly an overdrafted quarterback, and 269 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: this time they didn't. They didn't settle. They got the 270 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: coach everybody wanted. He was a hot shot, best offensive 271 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: coordinator in the league. Several years they got him. He 272 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: turned down other teams. The Bears got him an offensive coach, 273 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: and Caleb Williams has superstar potential. What transpires, we'll see. 274 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: But there is an argument that in a Josh Rosen case, 275 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: or in a Mitch Trubisky case, or in an Anthony 276 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: Richardson case, you should be more decisive than you used 277 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: to be in the Troy Aikman era, and I am 278 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: in that camp. But there's an argument just stick it out, 279 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: just make it work. There's gonna be bad days, but 280 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: you've never had a four thousand yard passer. Get it right. 281 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: Just figure it out, and we're gonna be patient for 282 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: the remainder of your contract. For Ben Johnson. Remainder of 283 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: the contract, Caleb, remainder of the contract. We're giving you 284 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: four years. Figure it out. We know stylistically you're kind 285 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: of different. We're sticking with it. We're going to be 286 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: the most patient team in the league. If it looks 287 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: rocky through two years. Albert Breer went to the Bears camp. 288 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: Here's what he saw with Caleb the day I was there. 289 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: Caleb Williams looked terrible. There's no better. 290 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 7: There's no sugar coating in what Ben Johnson and his 291 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 7: staff were trying to do with Caleb was let's feed 292 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 7: him through a fire hose in the spring and an 293 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 7: early in training camp, and let's see what he can handle, 294 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 7: and let's see what he's good at, and let's see 295 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 7: what he's not good at. 296 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 3: And let's see how he learns. 297 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 7: Let's see how he takes those early lumps and is 298 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 7: able to compartmentalize them. And then over the course of camp, 299 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 7: the hope was that they would get a more resilient 300 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 7: player who's playing faster, and as coaches, they would get 301 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 7: a better idea of what he was best at, so 302 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 7: they could build an offense based on that. 303 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: Just saying they're playing against the Chiefs in the preseason, 304 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: they'll probably win, could be winning again like Buffalo decisive. 305 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: They need the snaps because they got to make this work. 306 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 307 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: in noon eastern nin am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 308 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 309 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: Well, I've been looking forward to this all day. 310 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: Mac Brown, the national champion head coach with Texas. I mean, 311 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: he knows, he knows where all the skeletons are buried 312 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: in this sport, and there's a lot of change and 313 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: I always thought Mac had the ability to teach and 314 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: coach in a joyful way. He love what he did 315 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: when he returned to Carolina, the players loved him. But 316 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: sometimes it's just time to move to the hill country 317 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas and enjoy life a little bit. And 318 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: Mac Brown is now joining US Live. 319 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: Coach. 320 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about this everybody, And I've 321 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: said this before. I think I said years ago the 322 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: best job in football in America is coaching the Texas Longhorns. 323 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,479 Speaker 1: And I said that and a coach texted me and 324 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: he goes. Listen, good job he goes, but has a 325 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: lot of drama. There's a lot of boosters. It's a 326 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: lot of stuff done Longhorn Network. 327 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: And I love Sark. 328 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: I really do love Sark, but I think it's one 329 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: of those jobs coach. It's a little harder than people think. 330 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: You know, in Alabama, football runs everything. But at Texas 331 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: it's a music town, it's a food town. When you 332 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: watch Sark coach, do you envy him or do you 333 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: understand sometimes what he's going through. 334 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 8: I think it's a great question, Colin, but I really 335 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 8: think it's both ways. 336 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: I love the University of Texas. 337 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 8: I think it is the best job in the country 338 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 8: and especially within ale, because you've got chance, because you've 339 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 8: got people that are passionate in the care and the 340 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 8: only way you can manage it you got to take 341 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 8: their passion and it's really pride and it's not pressure, 342 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 8: and they want to win so badly, and you've got 343 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 8: to be able to handle all the outside No, he's 344 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 8: in Sark's coached at Washington, he's coached at USC, He's 345 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 8: done all this, he's been there, done that. I really 346 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 8: like him and I respect him, and he's doing a 347 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 8: tremendous job. But after you coach at Texas, it's it's 348 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 8: really tough because you really got everything you need. When 349 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 8: I first got there, I asked the Loss doutar. I said, 350 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 8: I'd like to buy this to does it fit in 351 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 8: our budget? And he said, coach, you don't have a budget. 352 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 8: Whatever you want. I said, we don't have a budget 353 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 8: and he said, no, man, you go through it. And 354 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 8: I asked the loss one time, as our athletics director, 355 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 8: how hard is your job? 356 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: And he said, when you're winning, mine's easy. 357 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 8: When you're losing, I don't have a job that's so good. 358 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: They have Archs Manning, and the Manning family is classy smart. 359 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: I mean Archs Manning could have transferred not interested supported 360 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: Quinn yours. I maybe I'm worrying about something that doesn't matter. 361 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: Tim Tebow became like a celebrity quarterback Cam Newton in college. 362 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Would you be worried about the burden the expectator, the celebrity, 363 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you got Texas's program. 364 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 3: The Manning name. Would you be a little worried about 365 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 3: that if you were start coming into the season. 366 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 8: Yes, And and you have less worries because Archie Manning's 367 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 8: the granddad, and Eli and pateon their uncles, and Cooper's 368 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 8: been through this whole ride with all of them, the dad, 369 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 8: uh and this this family handles that they got class, 370 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 8: they got charisma, they got confidence, they have done all 371 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 8: of these things they need to do. And uh, I've 372 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 8: been around arch enough. He's just he's smart, he's uh 373 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 8: self deprecating. He'll he'll laugh, he he he'll he'll talk 374 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 8: about people that have said critical things of him and say, yeah, 375 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 8: I can understand that. It's just I haven't played a 376 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 8: lot yet. And uh so I'm I'm really excited to 377 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 8: watch him play. I watched Chris Sims go through this 378 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 8: with his dad winning a Super Bowl at. 379 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: Texas, and that's right. 380 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 8: Then I watched I watched Vince Young and his last 381 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 8: year going through. 382 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: Is he gonna win the Heisman? Is? Is he better 383 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: than Matt Liner? You better than redg you Bush? 384 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 8: And Vince has got a really good perspective on being 385 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 8: the quarterback here. But arch is really into the guys. 386 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 8: He's into that locker room and that's what's so critical 387 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 8: for a quarterback. And the thing Colin I think people 388 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 8: miss on Arch is Archie could run. 389 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 3: Granddad. We all saw him. 390 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 8: I played, Yeah, yeah, you run, Man and and Eli 391 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 8: and Peyton were they could run, but there were more 392 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 8: pocket quarterbacks. 393 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: Arch can run, and that. 394 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 8: Will give him a chance. They got four new offensive linemen, 395 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 8: so that's going to be difficult going to Ohio State. 396 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 8: But when you've got a quarterback that can run, it 397 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 8: makes those offensive blindmen look a lot. 398 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 3: Better, you know. 399 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: So Belichick takes your gig. It's interesting because usually when 400 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: a legend like you retires, they bring in a young 401 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: hot shot. 402 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 3: Well they didn't. 403 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: They brought in an old NFL guy who's who kind 404 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: of has a way of doing things. I think I'll 405 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: throw it to give you my take. I think and 406 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: I saves Bill. I don't think Bill would have succeeded 407 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: in the old way of building through high school players, 408 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: but the NIL is almost professional football. I think it 409 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: gives him a chance. But I also think Mac seventeen 410 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: hours Max, I mean, you don't get the hours. You 411 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: can't have a sixty hour week. Kids have more power. 412 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff here where I'm like, I 413 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: don't know, give me your crystal ball. What do you 414 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: think Bill will handle effortlessly? And what could be something 415 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: that he'll kick around a little bit. 416 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 8: The first thing Colin Chancellor Lee Roberts has committed the 417 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 8: football big time for the first time in North Carolina history. 418 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 8: They are really wanting football to be good, so they're 419 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 8: all in and that gives them a chance to be successful. 420 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 8: Bill is arguably the best coach of any sport. When 421 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 8: you win that many Super Bowls at whatever level, the 422 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 8: man can coach, he can evaluate because he had to 423 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 8: bring in all those kids at the Patriot's And now 424 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 8: administrators don't like to say it, but we have pro 425 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 8: football at some level in college. 426 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: We no longer have amateurism. 427 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 8: We have payment scales, we've got nil kids are asking 428 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 8: for money, they have agenciers negotiations. So I do think 429 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 8: the fact that we are much more like the NFL 430 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 8: than ever before will really help build with this transition. 431 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 8: The other thing is every coach wants his own players 432 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 8: and takes you two or three years to get your 433 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 8: guys in there. He's brought in seventy two new guys, 434 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 8: So you got money, you can evaluate and you can 435 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 8: bring in who you want. I think he has a 436 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 8: chance to win big and win big fast. 437 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 3: We were talking about this. 438 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: It seems like about every third year you get a 439 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: really really good quarterback class. And cade Klubnik is I swear? 440 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: Is he from Austin? He may be from Austin, Texas? 441 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: Is he? 442 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: Yes? Right Westlake High School? That's right? Yeah, So where 443 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 3: you're out from there? 444 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: So I went back and I watched his high school stuff, 445 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: and I went I went deep diving a couple and 446 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: I saw him play a few times for Clemson. He 447 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: moves like arch Manning. He can move a little bit. 448 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: Now he's he'll four six five, he can run. You 449 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: faced him. I think twice at Carolina. I remember one 450 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: for sure twice. What when you after those games? Was 451 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: he better in person? Were there things he struggled with? 452 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: Give me a give me a little bit of a 453 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: If I'm an NFL GM and I call you, I say, Mac, 454 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of drafting Cade Club, Nick, give me a 455 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: thumbnail sketch on him. 456 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 3: What do you think of him? 457 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 8: I saw him in high school. My son went to 458 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 8: Westlake High School. Todd Dodge was his coach, and I 459 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 8: knew Todd really really well. We recruited him and couldn't 460 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 8: get him to come. I think he's really really good 461 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 8: the two times that we played him. The first time 462 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 8: he was good, but okay, maybe a little cautious. Last year, 463 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 8: at the end of the year he got really confident. 464 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 8: He nearly brought him back in Austin in a huge 465 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 8: game playoff game. But especially for him at home. He's tough, 466 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 8: he can run, he can throw, he's accurate, he's confident, 467 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 8: and I think he gives Clempson the chance. 468 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: To be really really good. 469 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Clemson hasn't done the nil stuff. 470 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 3: You are a legendary recruiter. 471 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: Belichick, Dion Sanders, Lincoln Riley, Brian Kelly, They're all in 472 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: on it. I worry that NIL erodes chemistry. That's what 473 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: I worry about. I feel like you don't know the 474 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: odometer on a used car. I like to know what 475 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: I know about. My guys have been recruiting since they 476 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: were high school sophomores. What did you make of NIL? 477 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: Does it? I mean, forget the pay in the players kid, 478 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: they obviously deserve some compensation, but what does it do 479 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: to a locker room? Does anything worry you about the 480 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: portal or nil. 481 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: Colin? 482 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 8: That's another great question. I do think the major programs, 483 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 8: the brand programs that are going to have the majority 484 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 8: of the money, it's going to ruin the competitive balance 485 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 8: in college football because we're going to have the same 486 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 8: fifteen playing at the end. 487 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: And if you've got enough. 488 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 8: Money to recruit high school players and keep them, then 489 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 8: in aile's not going to bother you when you bring 490 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 8: it in all the different guys. It's really hard. So 491 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 8: what we learned is if you've got money and you 492 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 8: buy a team, it doesn't mean you're going to win. 493 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 8: Number one. You got to buy the right ones. Number two, 494 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 8: they've all got a fit. Well in that locker room, 495 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 8: you've got to mesh together as a team, which is 496 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 8: hard in a short period of time. And number three, 497 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 8: they've got to be unselfish, and that's one thing we're 498 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 8: looking at right now. I saw Cedric Benson in the 499 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 8: locker room after we beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, 500 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 8: sit there crying because he didn't want to take his 501 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 8: uniform off and he was a first round draft choice 502 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 8: and he just sat there and I said, why are 503 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 8: you crying? He said, this is the last time I'll 504 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 8: ever have this uniform on. And I'm not sure we're 505 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 8: going to have that loyalty at schools that are bringing 506 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 8: in all the transfers now as much as the one 507 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 8: like sarcle only brought in ten transfers ten eleven. He's 508 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 8: building it with high school g Clemson is building it 509 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 8: with high school guys. They bring in a few transfers, 510 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 8: but not many. So at the highest level, if you 511 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 8: can continue to bring in and develop the right guys 512 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 8: and you're recruiting the right guys, I think you're going 513 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 8: to have the chance to be the most consistent program 514 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 8: programs in the long haul through this Nile period. 515 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. 516 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 6: I like that. 517 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: I like you know, I'm I'm kind of with sark 518 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: on that or like, if you're Ohio State and you 519 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: bring in like Caleb Downs, if you can bring in 520 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: a first round pick, go get him by all means. 521 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: But I worry about that. Oh. 522 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: By the way, I got to ask you about Drake 523 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: May So, I like. One of the things I like 524 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: about Drake may he was your quarterback for several years, 525 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: is that I like he comes from a family of 526 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: athletes and older brothers, and there is something about that 527 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: coach about the toughness, you know, playing with your brothers 528 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: buddies and you're getting thrown around the basketball court and 529 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: the football. Give me, did you notice that with Drake 530 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: Cause in the NFL as a rookie, they're gonna haze you. 531 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: They're gonna be on you, you're carrying luggage, They're going 532 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: ravel's a tough guy. What about Drake May? I pressed you? 533 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: Beyond the size the arm? What else did you like 534 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: about it? 535 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 8: He said, when he was a kid, he had to 536 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 8: fight for food. He had all those brothers in there, 537 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 8: so everything he did he would have to compete and fight. 538 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 8: So they'd play pickleball and get mad. And one day 539 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 8: I walked in the player's lounge and there was a 540 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 8: broken ping pong paddle, and I said, who broke the paddle? 541 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: And he's sitting over in the corner and they all 542 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: pointed to Drake. I said, Drake, why did you break 543 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: the paddle? 544 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 8: He said, the tight end beat me in ping pong? 545 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 8: Can you imagine the tight end beat me in ping pong? 546 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 8: And I said, yeah, but I still think you can 547 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 8: keep the paddle clean without breaking it. But he is 548 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 8: so competitive, he's smart, he's got a great heart. He 549 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 8: is a wonderful team leader. He'll have that locker room 550 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 8: fighting for him in every minute, and I just love him. 551 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 8: I think he's a quarterback that's going to win. 552 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: A Super Bowl. Oh that's great. Okay. 553 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: Finally, Mack and I talked for a couple of minutes 554 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: before we went on the end, and he moved to Austin, Texas, 555 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: which is one of America's great cities. And I'm not 556 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: telling you where, but I know what golf course he's on, 557 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: and it's darn nice. 558 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 3: I'll tell you that. 559 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: And I told you during the break, I said, my 560 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: wife said you need to get a hobby, and I 561 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: could never find one. And then two years ago I 562 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: got oddly bizarrely into obsessed with golf, and I just crazy, 563 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: like you know, just I'm into it all the time. 564 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: And tell me a little bit about are you playing 565 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: golf regularly, Colin? 566 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 3: I'm playing just about every day. 567 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 8: I'm playing six holes, nine holes, twelve holes, and I 568 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 8: just love it. And as a coach, you played, but 569 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 8: you played with boosters. They were asking about the quarterback 570 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 8: or why'd you do this, or why'd you do that? 571 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 8: They told you you can play bad, but don't play 572 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 8: bad and slow. 573 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: You got to play fast. You never practice. 574 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 8: You're always shaking hands before you hit the ball the 575 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 8: first tea in a tournament. So I've never been able 576 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 8: to really play golf and enjoy it. And now I 577 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 8: am just absolutely loving it. So I'm I'm doing my work, 578 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 8: I'm doing some stuff, and then I head to the 579 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 8: golf course. 580 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: And what is your You have a friend that told me, 581 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: I want I want you to share this with our 582 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: audience because it really is so true. What did your 583 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: You have a friend that's a golfer, What did he 584 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: tell you about golf? 585 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,239 Speaker 8: I was playing with my friend the other day and 586 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 8: he was playing awful. He was really struggling. So he 587 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 8: looked at me at the end of the match. 588 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 3: And he said, uh, you know, coach, this is really 589 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 3: interesting golf. 590 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 8: I said, wait, wait, talking about bud and he said, 591 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 8: it costs a lot of money. 592 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 3: It takes all. 593 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 8: Day to play four and a half five hours. You 594 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 8: hit a lot of bad shots and it makes you 595 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 8: absolutely miserable, and as soon as you get through, you 596 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 8: can't wait to get back on the plow. And I 597 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 8: think that's God. 598 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 3: And it's expensive. I mean, it checks every bad and 599 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 3: when you get home, your wife's mad. Where have you been? 600 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 3: Did you have fun? Note it's awful. I had so 601 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 3: many bad shots. Yeah, it's so true. 602 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: It's great to see you as owas great great American 603 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: sports storyteller. 604 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: Mac. I love you, Thank you so much.