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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast, and this is Fast Politics. Well,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds, and Donald Trump isn't having a very good week.

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Speaker 1: All right, We really really have an amazing first episode

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Speaker 1: for everyone today. First, we're gonna talk to President Biden's

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Speaker 1: Chief of staff Ron Clean all about how the administration

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Speaker 1: is making decisions as well as how they're handling inflation

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Speaker 1: in America today. Then we'll talk to Bloomberg Opinion editor

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Speaker 1: Tim O'Brien about the subject he knows best, which is

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and he's gonna tell us what to think

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Speaker 1: about Trump's terrible, terrible week. But first, we have a

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Speaker 1: moment that many of you listeners have been waiting for.

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Speaker 1: It's time to reunite to former New Abnormal co hosts.

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Speaker 1: Here's founder of the Lincoln Project, Rick Wilson and Molly

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Speaker 1: John Fast. Welcome to the podcast. Rick Wilson, who wait,

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Speaker 1: what was so bad? He's back. Since I was exiled

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Speaker 1: a year and a half into the chill, outer darkness

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Speaker 1: and appear on television Rick Wilson, Molly John Fast, I

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Speaker 1: am back with you from the state of Florida for

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Speaker 1: Ston to be destroyed State of Florida. So it turns

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Speaker 1: out that Florida is America, and America is unfortunately for US, Florida.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what happened Like the last year, it's just

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Speaker 1: here's the long understood national cultural and political phenomenon of Florida.

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Speaker 1: It's a fucking magnet for crazy and it has been

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Speaker 1: that way. And look, I'm a fifth generation Floridian. Okay,

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Speaker 1: It has become a state where disaffected people from Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: homes without power during a hurricane. So, speaking in Florida again,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about this Ron de Santis fellow,

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Speaker 1: that's President de Santis to you, neither your friend nor mine,

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Speaker 1: who you have a nickname for. Yes, there's a circle

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Speaker 1: starchy in attitude. He's Tater. He's a little he's a

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Speaker 1: little dumpling. Okay, So there's a new ABC Washington Post

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Speaker 1: will definitely be the thing that takes him away from

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Speaker 1: the Republican base, Molly, because it's not like he's talking

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Speaker 1: seven years. Listen, Donald Trump still controls the Republican base.

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Speaker 1: I haven't looked at this particular survey, but I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: tell me how Rohnda Santis or Ted Cruz or Josh

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Speaker 1: course we should rub yourself in the gravy, Donald, the

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Speaker 1: donor class? Does it make him more popular with who cares?

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Speaker 1: He raises of his money from small dollars? And you

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Speaker 1: Why is the old one going to be in legal trouble? Criming?

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Speaker 1: That just a supposition or do you have like no, Well,

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Speaker 1: it do repairs on your jet. And you think that's

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Speaker 1: electoral College count. I can absolutely draw you a scenario

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Speaker 1: And look, you go into a multiple candidate field in

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Speaker 1: likely you're in the hunt. Okay, they're in the hunt.

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Speaker 1: But we have much a much broader agenda to fight

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Speaker 1: on how goods get from ports and how they get

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Speaker 1: but it's also important to kind of fight inflation where

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Speaker 1: we're tackling the kinds of expenses that really take money

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Speaker 1: So one of the things Jesse and I are we're

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Speaker 1: this student loan forgiveness? Like how do things you know

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Speaker 1: He said that he would tackle four great crises facing

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Speaker 1: tackling that. And he said he would tackle the racism crisis.

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Speaker 1: President has an administration that looks like America for the

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Speaker 1: Given tremendous a to HBCUs we've brought down the black

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Speaker 1: unemployment rates significantly. So those four crises are kind of

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Speaker 1: a sort of interesting and delicate trade situation. Can you

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Speaker 1: explain to us a little bit about the Inflation Reduction

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Speaker 1: Act and what's happening in trade. It's so interesting to

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Speaker 1: which is the major factor in global trade right now,

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Speaker 1: is US exports. Not things we're buying from other countries,

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Speaker 1: things we're selling to other countries. Said an all time

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Speaker 1: record for exports last month. But most of this country

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Speaker 1: has ever exported in a single year. And that's creating

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Speaker 1: a lot of jobs here in America. We've seen this

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Speaker 1: resurgence of manufacturing jobs. We've created more manufacturing jobs these

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Speaker 1: to work with partners on you know, having effective trade regimes.

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Speaker 1: Obviously right now a lot of trade we have with

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Speaker 1: Europe is critical to keeping Europe in good shape as

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Speaker 1: we fight this war. As the Ukrainians fight this war

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Speaker 1: very important part of that overall effort of backing up

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Speaker 1: Ukrainian security. You know, trade is a vital element of

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Speaker 1: what we do. Do you think there's an opportunity for

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Speaker 1: the chips. Can you talk about this for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Chips are going to be a big, big, big part

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Speaker 1: also it's been sort of a conflict with Asia. Right. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: I think that the world is highly dependent on chips

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Speaker 1: manufactured in Taiwan, and they are great chips. Were certainly

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Speaker 1: happy to import those chips, but the need for chips

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Speaker 1: has just escalated out of control. I think we all

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Speaker 1: computer chip in it. Not just our computers, but are

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Speaker 1: our toasters and our coffee makers, and you know, just

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Speaker 1: Now you're smart refrigerator and smart oven and all these things,

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Speaker 1: and so many of them go into our cars. And

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Speaker 1: so there aren't enough chips. One of the reasons why

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Speaker 1: we've seen higher prices, one of the reasons why it's

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Speaker 1: the President said, look, we're gonna make this a priority

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Speaker 1: so that we're not dependent on a foreign source of chips,

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Speaker 1: so that we can re really rejuvenate American manufacturing, advanced

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Speaker 1: manufacturing of these more high tech products, and so that

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Speaker 1: we can bring down costs. And so he proposed, along

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Speaker 1: with bipartisan members of both the House and Senate, legislation

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Speaker 1: State of the Union address earlier this year, we had

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Speaker 1: the manufacturing of chips. Congress did pass that bill, and

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Speaker 1: And so you know we're gonna see and and even

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Speaker 1: since then, my Crowns announced a major chips Manu factoring

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Speaker 1: in kinds of batteries we need for electric cars and

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Speaker 1: all kinds of very advanced manufacturing. So they have one

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Speaker 1: additional benefit on top of all the other benefits I've

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Speaker 1: Six figure manufacturing jobs don't need a college degree. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about people who either have one or two years

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Speaker 1: make it affordable for them, trying to deal with that,

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Speaker 1: but we also think that people should be able to

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Speaker 1: You have this unique situation and with the Biden presidency

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Speaker 1: Is that hard? Well, look, I would say that Donald

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Speaker 1: longer Twitter feed is truth, social feeding rallies and all

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Speaker 1: it very clear to us, our job is to do

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Speaker 1: He'd be a very different kind of president, and it'd

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Speaker 1: country needs done. Progress Donald Trump when he was president,

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Speaker 1: he announced almost every single week would be infrastructure week,

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Speaker 1: and an infrastructure bill never passed. Biden said, you know

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Speaker 1: We're about getting things done, about making the country a

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Speaker 1: But on a day to day basis, I think our

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Speaker 1: fundamental goal here is to deliver on the economy, on COVID,

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Speaker 1: on race, on climate, and uh, you know that Trump

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Speaker 1: owns two truth, social own the truth, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get things done. Thank you so much, thank you. Tim

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Speaker 1: O'Brien is editor of Boomberg Opinion. Welcome Too Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: Tim Obrian Molly, I feel like we're old podcasting leads

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Speaker 1: at this point, and we totally are. And I had

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Speaker 1: we started taping. You were just saying, we were talking

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Speaker 1: about what a good Donald Trump impression you do. I apologize,

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Speaker 1: and you were saying, continue, Well, we He and I

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Speaker 1: and he did not know how to drive it. You know,

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Speaker 1: those Ferraris have gearshifters, paddle shifters on the steering wheel.

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Speaker 1: They've probably changed since then. You know, that was I

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Speaker 1: So we drove into downtown Palm Beach. We pulled up

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Speaker 1: isn't that amazing. Later that same night, I had dinner

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Speaker 1: with Milania and him at marl Lago and she went

642
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: to bed after dinner, and there was a sort of

643
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: an event around the pool and there were these giant,

644
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: like six ft high speakers arrayed around the swimming pool

645
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: and Donald and I were standing at one end, and

646
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: he was in a navy blue BRIONI suit. I am

647
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: not kidding. The song that was blaring out of the

648
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: speakers was played that funky music white Boy, and he

649
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: was doing the kind of white guy bite your bottom

650
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: lip dance in his blue suit. And he asked him

651
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Speaker 1: to really crank up the speakers and and he said,

652
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I love blasting this music as loud as

653
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: I possibly can, because all of these m efforts in

654
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Palm Beach never wanted me to be here, So I

655
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: just played as loud as I possibly can now to

656
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Speaker 1: remind that I'm here and I'm not going away. And

657
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: then he was president, right, right. You really get the

658
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: award though, for the only person who covers Donald Trump, though,

659
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: that's good at this invitation. Everybody else, if you cover him,

660
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: you're bad at it. And I know you're happy to

661
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: hear this. So let's talk about this week, because it

662
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: was a very bad week for Donald Trump. You know, yeah,

663
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the consequences of Donald Trump choosing

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Speaker 1: a run for the presidency and have come home to

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00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: roost on Donald Trump and his children. You know, it

666
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: came home to roost on the country and the Constitution

667
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: and people of color, and women and and a lot

668
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: of other groups prior to this. But he had somehow

669
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Speaker 1: escaped the consequences of his own decisions, as he has

670
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: so often throughout his life. And you know, in this case,

671
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: it was the New York Attorney General, Leticia James, indicting

672
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Speaker 1: him for financial fraud. So that was Wednesday, but even

673
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: like on Monday, Maggie Harman had a piece in The

674
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: New York Times which talked about how that Eric Kershman

675
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: had warned Trump that he was taking a legal stuff

676
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: back to mar Longo and there could be in other words,

677
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, and in Hershman was a star witness in

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Speaker 1: the January six hearings too, in which he testified that

679
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: you know, they they told him not to go down

680
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: to the ellipse and that what he was doing there

681
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: was inappropriate and possibly illegal, and that Kirshman told other

682
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: members of Trump's inner circle that he wasn't onna planning partner.

683
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Speaker 1: So this is the second time that Hirshman, a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: has get him a lawyer's inside account of telling Trump

685
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: don't do something, it's wrong, and Trump doing it anyway.

686
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Speaker 1: And in a criminal case, that is evidence of intent.

687
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: And that's the hurdle of prosecutor has to overcome in

688
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: a criminal case if you're pursuing something that might end

689
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: up with Donald Trump in prison. And so I think

690
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Speaker 1: the Hirshman testimony is significant, and you know this, he

691
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Speaker 1: is mired in a tar pit of existential legal threats.

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Speaker 1: There's the Tish James case. Obviously, there's a an electoral

693
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Speaker 1: fraud case with with very hot tangible evidence in Georgia, right,

694
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Speaker 1: that's Fanny Willis another black woman, Yes I responsible, I mean,

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Speaker 1: And then we have Tish James has said that she

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Speaker 1: will refer this to the Southern District of New York,

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Speaker 1: which is different than Alvin brag Right. Well, but she's

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Speaker 1: she's referring I think, other evidence she's uncovered that she

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Speaker 1: thinks amounts to a federal crime, and she's referring it

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Speaker 1: to both the U. S. Attorney's Office for the Southern

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Speaker 1: District and to the I R S. So it suggests

702
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Speaker 1: that what she's sending is evidence of criminal tax fraud.

703
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: And you know, one way out of for Trump, out

704
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: of the civil charges that tish shandas filed, is the

705
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: allegations are that he duped banks, that he gave them

706
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: false information and these unsophisticated, poor little banker people didn't understand,

707
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: which is a hard, hard hurdle to overcome because banks

708
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Speaker 1: are sophisticated lenders. It's really a lot harder when you

709
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Speaker 1: say that I R S people should be equally sophisticated

710
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: and vigilant and the birdhas on them to make sure

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Speaker 1: that you're not lying to them. And in a way,

712
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Speaker 1: I think that you know that referral could hold possibly

713
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: more peril for him as things play out. Should should

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Speaker 1: the I R S and use Attorney's office pursue it.

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Speaker 1: And also I think that it's interesting. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: still think like this all makes Alvin Brag the New

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Speaker 1: York d A continually look terrible, right because what is

718
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Speaker 1: he doing well? You know, Molly, I have mixed thoughts

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Speaker 1: about that. I think within that office, I think there

720
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Speaker 1: was a disagreement among the prosecutors themselves about whether or

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Speaker 1: not they had the goods for an air tight criminal

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Speaker 1: fraud case. And I think the tension within that office

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Speaker 1: revolved from I think some members of the prosecutorial team

724
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Speaker 1: saying the stakes are too high, We've got to take

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Speaker 1: this to court no matter what, and others saying, if

726
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Speaker 1: we go there, it's a former president and it has

727
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Speaker 1: to be air tight. And there was reasonable arguments to

728
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Speaker 1: be made on both sides, and you could argue that

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Speaker 1: sy Vans should have taken care of that before he

730
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Speaker 1: left office, and let left this giant, kind of complicated

731
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: sandwich on Alvin Bragg's desk. Interesting. So I think, you know,

732
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Speaker 1: I think, you know, Bragg is indicted, Weisselberg, Trump's CFO.

733
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Speaker 1: There's a good chance, you know, he's prosecuting the company still,

734
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Speaker 1: so I don't think Trump's gonna just fly out of

735
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Speaker 1: that without consequence. But it's certainly I had thought for

736
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: a long time that that was the most perilous case

737
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Speaker 1: he was facing. And I don't investigation he was facing,

738
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Speaker 1: and I don't think it is any longer. Oh interesting,

739
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: So what do you think it is? I think if

740
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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland gets his boots on and collects the evidence

741
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: that you know, the January six Committee has surfaced so

742
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: robustly and and wonderfully that there should be a federal

743
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: indictment there for fraud on the American public and interfering

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Speaker 1: with a congressional proceeding and you know, in one word,

745
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: what could just be called a coup. Right, So interesting.

746
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Speaker 1: The thing that I find fascinating is then he decided,

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Speaker 1: like a normal person would say, like I'm I'm facing

748
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: all of these legal problems. I should probably take a

749
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: low profile. But instead Donald Trump decides to go on

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity's show and accompanied by the two Krakens in

751
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Speaker 1: his midst his two sons who took to Twitter and

752
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: said politics and nothing wrong here, which is just you know,

753
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: they also are both defendants, so you would have thought

754
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: they would have been more judicious, but you know, being

755
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: judicious is not a Trump family traite now, and then

756
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: the Potter familius goes on Hannity and just starts spouting

757
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: the same kind of nonlinear, unhinged word salad that he

758
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: always does at moments when he's really cornered, and he

759
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: clearly feels cornered, and he's you know, he doesn't have

760
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: a good legal game. You know, his default is to

761
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: play media game, playing it really badly right now, right,

762
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's interesting. What I thought was interesting

763
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Speaker 1: was I think that the takeaway from that interview that

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Speaker 1: many of us took away was different people say different things.

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Speaker 1: But as I understand and it, if you're the present

766
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: thing to United States, you can declassify just by saying

767
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: it's declassified, even by thinking about it. Well, so you

768
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: know what's interesting to me about that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump famously sued me. We we deposed him for

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Speaker 1: two days in December of two thousand and seven, and

771
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: during the course of that we asked him a lot

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00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: of questions about is everything, but we were zeroing on

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00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: how he valued his golf courses and because he had

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Speaker 1: provided no paperwork for how he actually got to these

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00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: kind of crazy valuations he had and and my attorney said, well,

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Speaker 1: do you have a profit and low statements for the

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Speaker 1: for the golf course and he'son, no, I don't have

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Speaker 1: any of those. And they said, well, then how do

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Speaker 1: you decide what they're worth? And he said mental projections?

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00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: And uh. And you know, Donald Trump sense of himself,

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00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: the world around him, his history, his abilities, and how

782
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: he conducts himself has been one big mental projection. So

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00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: of course he's going to say that he can mentally

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00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: project the classification of state secrets when it suits him. Unfortunately,

785
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: that's actually not how the law work. But it is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he basically is going along this Richard Nixon.

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Speaker 1: It's not a crime if the president does it. Well,

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00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: Nixon was wrong too, And it's always interesting, you know,

789
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: it's always interesting when people think they have superpowers that

790
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: enable them to blow off the constitution and the law.

791
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Speaker 1: And that's why I think this moment is so important,

792
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: because we have to stand up for the rule of

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Speaker 1: law and for institutions, and for the idea that you're

794
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: not allowed to stick nuclear secrets in your stocks and

795
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Speaker 1: store them in an old closet drawer at your beach club.

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Speaker 1: Slash house in Palm Beach. How do you think, I mean,

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00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: you really know Trump and you're very smart, how do

798
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: you see this plays out? I don't know. I've been

799
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: wrong so many times. I think one of the myths

800
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: about Trump is that he routinely escapes culpability. He got

801
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: past the Mueller probe and past two impeachments, and that

802
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: he's had a life of the this and the that,

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00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: and it has never been held accountable. Well, law enforcement

804
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: never chose to hold him seriously accountable throughout his life.

805
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: It happened once when he and his father got investigated

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00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: for racial discrimination in their housing projects in the early

807
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and they got held accountable for that. After that,

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00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: he never did. The stakes went up when he became president.

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00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: I think people began circling him and trying to make

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00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: sure that his worst tendencies didn't unravel the national fabric.

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Speaker 1: And he now, as we said earlier in the show,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's now got very existential legal consequences facing

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Speaker 1: him because of his own actions. He lacks the power

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Speaker 1: of the presidency. His celebrity is not enough to save

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Speaker 1: him from this. Neither are his personal finances, and his

816
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: business is under siege. I think there's a very high

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Speaker 1: possibility Donald Trump is going to get indicted in at

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00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: least one of these venues that we've talked about. Yeah,

819
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: and it also seems like this legal team has to

820
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: be so expensive, right, And you know, I really want

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Speaker 1: to I hope that part of the investigation of Trump

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Speaker 1: includes how he's paying his legal bills, because if they're

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Speaker 1: coming out of campaign donations that all of his credulous

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Speaker 1: small dollar donors have have made to him, to the

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Speaker 1: tune of hundreds of millions of dollars um, I think

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Speaker 1: there's a real, I think question about whether or not

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Speaker 1: that's a fraudental use of the funds. And you know,

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Speaker 1: his packs are being investigated now as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a wealthy man. Even if he's not

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Speaker 1: a billionaire, he has ample resources. I think he can

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Speaker 1: probably afford to pay his legal bills on his own.

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Speaker 1: But he's also a wildly cheap person. And if he

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00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: could find another piggy bank to dip into, he might

834
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: have done that, even it would have been wiser for

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Speaker 1: him to use his own money. The two p is

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Speaker 1: paying for some amount of Trump's legal bills, right, And

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Speaker 1: I don't know enough about campaign finance law to know

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Speaker 1: whether or not that's appropriate. But apart from that, the

839
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: fact that the GOP is willing to pay for some

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00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: of these bills is an indicator of, I think, the

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00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of twisted integration that exists between Trump, Trump is

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00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: um and the modern Republican Party and the fact that

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00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: even now the party elders are afraid to completely alienate him.

844
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Speaker 1: And supposedly the sense is they kind of told him,

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Speaker 1: or what was announced recently, was that they would stop

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Speaker 1: paying whatever part of the legal bills they were paying

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Speaker 1: if he announced before the mid terms. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to pay attention to anybody. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: just not going to listen to what the party needs,

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00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: what Republicans voters voters need. He's going to think, Donald Tree,

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Speaker 1: you can understand everything Donald Trump does through two lenses,

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00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: self aggrandizement or self preservation. From July Jonathan carl Scoop

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Speaker 1: r n C warning to Trump, if you run for president,

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Speaker 1: will stop paying your legal bills. Officials say, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: those always feel to me like trial balloon kinds of stories.

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Speaker 1: And he is a huge fundraiser. Still, he has a

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Speaker 1: huge draw for money, for the party. He makes or

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Speaker 1: break certain kinds of candidates, though not all of them.

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Speaker 1: And you know, in a lot of ways, the GOP

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Speaker 1: is his party now, even if he's not sitting at

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Speaker 1: top of it, because Trump is um is the coin

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Speaker 1: of the realm. Yeah, Jesus, so depressing. Thank you so much, Tim,

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Speaker 1: This is great, Thanks Molly, thanks for having me our

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Speaker 1: special guest for a moment of fun. Gray is going

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Speaker 1: to be one, Rick Wilson, So do you want to

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Speaker 1: go first? Or should I go first? Sure? My moment

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Speaker 1: of fucory is every fucking reporter in the country who

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Speaker 1: doesn't understand what Rhonda Santis did to them this week

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Speaker 1: when he jerked them off about the second flight to Delaware.

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Speaker 1: They should have understood right then, stop covering the bullshit.

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Speaker 1: This is a twenty twenty four campaign operation. Treat it

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Speaker 1: like that, and you can see exactly why he's doing it.

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Speaker 1: He's looking to drive into the Republican valence where Trump

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Speaker 1: triumphed over all the other morons in the field that

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Speaker 1: was immigration. Trump knew that they would say, you can't

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Speaker 1: say that about Mexicans. And Trump knew that they would say,

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Speaker 1: oh wha, how impractical, and it didn't matter because he

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Speaker 1: understood the base better. That's a that's reporters thinking this

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Speaker 1: is about immigration are making are totally missing the boat

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Speaker 1: on what this guy's doing immigration. This is a subject

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Speaker 1: object collision problem. The entire operation is the Republican i'mary,

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Speaker 1: that's what's happening here. Yeah, that's my moment of that

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Speaker 1: was which if I had a podcast, I might have

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Speaker 1: thought of having one. All right, well, my moment of

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Speaker 1: fuckery is the Michigan GOP candidate for governor Tutor Dixon

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Speaker 1: sampire poor. Wait what does that mean? If you just

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Speaker 1: go ahead and google Tutor Dixon vampire porn, you will

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Speaker 1: be illuminated. No, I don't want to do that right now.

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Speaker 1: She was in showtime like softcore porn movies in the

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Speaker 1: ninety nineties. Anyway, when not getting eaten by zombies, We've

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Speaker 1: gone down a real fucking rabbit hole. Tutor Dixon was

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Speaker 1: making fun of Gretgen Whitmore for almost for the kidnapping

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Speaker 1: plot where she was almost kidnapped. The sad thing is

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Speaker 1: that Gretchen will tie your hands, put a gun to

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Speaker 1: your head, and ask if you're ready to talk for

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Speaker 1: someone so worried about being kidnapped. Gretchen Whitmer sure is

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Speaker 1: good at taking business hostage and holding it for Rance

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Speaker 1: him and I think that's quite fucked up. And so

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Speaker 1: that goes from my moment of faery, which you have

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Speaker 1: now staged. Rick Wilson again. You know, Molly, I have

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Speaker 1: I have a few gifts and I have to just

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Speaker 1: make take full advantage of them. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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Speaker 1: Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to your the

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