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Speaker 1: The volume What is going on Everybody? John Middlecoff three

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Speaker 1: Zone Pouches. I just witnessed the Pittsburgh Steelers get obliterated

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Speaker 1: by the Houston Texans. Oh my gosh, that was even

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Speaker 1: worse than I envisioned, and I did not envision great

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Speaker 1: things for them. So we will dive into the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Tomlin Rogers is that it can the Texans make a run.

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Speaker 1: A lot of other stuff going on. John Harbaugh was

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Speaker 1: paid a visit by Chris Mora, who is John's brother,

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Speaker 1: so something to keep an eye on. Micah Parsons comes

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Speaker 1: out to defend Laflor. We had Tony Romo, who's just

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Speaker 1: getting crushed on the internet for sucking at broadcasting. And

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Speaker 1: this lady that told Liam Cohen, good job, have a

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Speaker 1: great offseason. You did great, keep your head up. I

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Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers were murdered. They were destroyed. That game

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Speaker 1: wasn't even close. I thought the last couple of years

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Speaker 1: against Josh Allen against Lamar Jackson, losing both those games

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Speaker 1: by multiple scores was a clear sign that the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: were the best team in the AFC. Then you had

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Speaker 1: the next tier, which were those two and in the

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Speaker 1: first round of the playoffs and back to back years

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Speaker 1: you weren't even within two touchdowns of them. And I've

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Speaker 1: been saying this for a while. Listen, coaching a lot

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Speaker 1: like relationships, you kind of know when it's over, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of times even when you know it's over,

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Speaker 1: it still lasts a little bit longer now in sports

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Speaker 1: for those to continue, Like you can't win four or

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Speaker 1: five games, and Mike Tomlin has made a career now

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Speaker 1: of going nine and eight or ten and seven, like

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Speaker 1: he is never gonna not be competitive. We know that

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Speaker 1: next year Aaron Rodgers retires, they could land mac Jones,

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Speaker 1: they could land Malik Willis, and I would bet on

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Speaker 1: the Steelers to be a nine or ten win team.

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Speaker 1: They're never gonna bottom out, even with these older players,

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Speaker 1: that they will figure it out. They're not gonna suck.

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Speaker 1: But what does that get you? Feels like it puts

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Speaker 1: a band aid on this situation that this once proud

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Speaker 1: the great Ravens teams with the great Patriot teams, even

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Speaker 1: though they couldn't really beat the Patriots in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: but in terms of the regular season that they were

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Speaker 1: really really good in this last decade has been an embarrassment.

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Speaker 1: And you watched tonight that they basically tried to hold

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Speaker 1: this thing together with guys at the end of their career.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people in the league got

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Speaker 1: given TJ. Watt all that money this year was crazy.

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Speaker 1: We understood he's been one of the best players on

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Speaker 1: league over the course of his career. But he's an

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Speaker 1: aging veteran trending the wrong way, you know, trading for

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Speaker 1: pretting much to the table. I don't blame you for

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Speaker 1: have any other options. But as I told Coward this morning,

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Speaker 1: if this was a Disney movie, I would have picked

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Speaker 1: Rogers and Tomlin to win the game. This is the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and that was the outcome I expected. I'd argue it

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Speaker 1: They always had dues. Then this year they trade with

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Speaker 1: Definitely if you just factor in this year, you'd say

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Speaker 1: he's the best GM during the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 1: When John Schneider calls you to make a deal for

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Speaker 1: But here's the problem. DK Metcalf is actually like the

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Speaker 1: poor man's version of Terrell Owens. Do you know the

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Speaker 1: knock on Trell Owens didn't have great hands, Like wasn't

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Speaker 1: when Aaron Rodgers scrambled to his left and let that

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Speaker 1: At first you're like, that wasn't even close, and then

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Speaker 1: they show the slow motion version it literally split his hands.

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Speaker 1: It's like I learned a long time ago when I

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Speaker 1: guys with bad hands for good teams are complete stay

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Speaker 1: And when they make that trade, they expected him to

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Speaker 1: so much oxygen, you know in the conversation and listen,

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomblin's fifty three years old. He liked John Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and listen, it's hard like he's prideful. I've

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Speaker 1: And while they've had some pretty embarrassing games over the

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Speaker 1: don't go off on the podium with the Lombardi Trophy

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Speaker 1: in their hand, like John Elway. Peyton Manning won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl as last year struggled to make you know,

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Speaker 1: a twenty yard out route throw Tom Brady is last year,

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Speaker 1: didn't this team go eight to nine and get boat

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Speaker 1: raced by the Cowboys in the playoffs. I think Dak

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Speaker 1: Prescott through five touchdowns in that game and Brady got

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Speaker 1: the crap kicked out of him there. It's like, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing this for? Brady's like I love football.

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Speaker 1: Rogers clearly loves football, but he can't move like he

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Speaker 1: once could. He'll be able to throw the ball. I've

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Speaker 1: said this forever about Dan Marino. I bet if you

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Speaker 1: just get through Dan a ball and probably a little

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Speaker 1: red man in his mouth, get him looped up, he

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Speaker 1: could still rip a thirty yard strike like he could

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Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Aaron Rodgers gonna be able to throw

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Speaker 1: a bullet when he's sixty five years old. But he

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Speaker 1: can't move anymore. And you're a human being, you don't

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Speaker 1: really want to get hit anymore, so you're much more

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Speaker 1: or you're much less likely to stay in there for

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Speaker 1: that extra quarter half second. Brady was clearly like that,

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Speaker 1: which I totally understand if I was in my mid forties.

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Speaker 1: Kids like Brady married like Rogers, like I'm not letting

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Speaker 1: Will Anderson, who the Texans are about to give one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million dollars hit me in my sternum

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Speaker 1: and put me in a hospital tonight, Like I have

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Speaker 1: no desire to do that, but to play quarterback at

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Speaker 1: the highest level't those thoughts can't even cross your mind.

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Speaker 1: And that's why you watch these guys in the prime

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Speaker 1: of their career, Josh Allen mahomes Lamar, they're just playing.

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Speaker 1: And forever for Rogers, he was just playing. And like

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Speaker 1: those guys. He was better than everybody, and his just

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Speaker 1: playing was borderline unstoppable, and the Packers actually let him

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Speaker 1: down several years with bad defenses. He's got to be

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Speaker 1: watching now they get Jeff Haffley, Like, if you ever

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Speaker 1: had a defense like they've had the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: They probably have multiple other Super Bowl appearances, especially in

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Speaker 1: some of the years, and they had just awesome offenses.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's fair to say it's over. And

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Speaker 1: I think the NFL's very been very good at this,

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Speaker 1: not that they control any of it, but they've always

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Speaker 1: had a wave of guys leave and then new guys

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Speaker 1: come in. And you know, the Rogers, Brady Manning, Rivers,

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Speaker 1: Eli Roethlisberger, those guys all phased out and Mahomes, Josh Lamar,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert. You know, a lot of these

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Speaker 1: guys just showed up and they've carried the mantle. And

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Speaker 1: obviously the NFL has never been more popular and the

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Speaker 1: offense has never been easier to play. But you know,

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Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers in the prime of his career could

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Speaker 1: have played with some of these rules, it wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been a fair fight. And I sound like get off

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Speaker 1: my lawn, old guy. But it's just a fact. Like

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Speaker 1: watch some Michael Jordan highlights. They could tackle you in

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Speaker 1: the mid nineties. Guy never fucking missed a jump shot.

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Speaker 1: And I think Aaron Rodgers just can't move like he

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Speaker 1: wants good, So he's kind of a sitting duck. But

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Speaker 1: his understanding of the game, knowing like their team just

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Speaker 1: had no chance, kind of sad the way he's going out,

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Speaker 1: But it's just like I said, it's usually the way

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Speaker 1: it happens. Other than that on this game. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans advance. They let me, let me pull up

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Speaker 1: the schedule here because we have a divisional round and

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Speaker 1: they will play the New England Patriots on Sunday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully i'm my baby is born, I'm home, hopefully

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Speaker 1: home Saturday, so I can watch those games, especially the

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Speaker 1: night or Seattle game. She already bought him like a

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Speaker 1: little Niner onesie, so hopefully we were back for that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it's out of my hands. As the

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Speaker 1: pediatrician told me, you gotta just take your hands off

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Speaker 1: the steering wheel and just let them guide you. So

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Speaker 1: the the we're keeping our fingers crossed. But if we can't,

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Speaker 1: just hopefully I'll see you guys on Sunday, and that

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Speaker 1: would be Houston at New England, which Houston's defense can

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Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl. There is not a front like

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Speaker 1: that playing right now in the league. Seattle's front is

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Speaker 1: pretty good. It ain't that they don't have Daneel Hunter

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Speaker 1: and Will Anderson's that's it. I actually and for those

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Speaker 1: of you that are watching on Netflix, which probably some

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Speaker 1: of you guys have also listened to the podcast. When

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Speaker 1: John Schneider came on, I remember a couple games they

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Speaker 1: played Seattle relatively early in the year, and I remember

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Speaker 1: texting him about Houston. He's like, bro, their defense, that

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Speaker 1: the team speed and physicality they have, and he started

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Speaker 1: listing the names of their linebackers and secondary He wasn't

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Speaker 1: even talking about their front. And Will Anderson is just

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Speaker 1: he's someone you build a franchise around. And he's not

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Speaker 1: even as good as Danel Hunter and they have multiple corners.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what could position you'd consider Peatree

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Speaker 1: playing like do it all. I was telling my wife tonight,

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Speaker 1: it's like he's kind of like Hufunga but better in

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Speaker 1: the open field. But in terms of physicality. Playing downhill,

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Speaker 1: they will knock the crap out of you. The question

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Speaker 1: with them is their offense and specifically the quarterback, because

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Speaker 1: cj just pure talent. He can make individual plays. We're like, God,

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Speaker 1: that's beautiful, that's a great throw. And then he can

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Speaker 1: make plays like is that the worst play I saw

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Speaker 1: all weekend? He had four fumbles in the first half. Now,

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Speaker 1: granted they picked a couple of them up, he also

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Speaker 1: lost two and the interception was horrendous. And I think

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Speaker 1: part of the problem for the Texans is they are

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Speaker 1: built to have a guy like Brad Johnson or Trent

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Speaker 1: Dilfer or even like this version that the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers had a Mac Jones. It's like, I know my role,

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Speaker 1: tell me what to do. You know the problem for CJS.

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Speaker 1: He goes, I'm the second overall pick, I'm a player.

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Speaker 1: I can make plays. And he's not totally wrong. He

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Speaker 1: has a skill set to make plays. But this team

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Speaker 1: does not need a playmaker because sometimes when you're making

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Speaker 1: plays help mahomes lamar Josh, all these bad things happen,

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Speaker 1: and we cannot afford with the way we're built. We

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Speaker 1: don't need to give them the ball. We don't need

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Speaker 1: to give them any possession because our defense when the

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Speaker 1: possessions they have, will dominate them. Just run the offense,

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Speaker 1: be careful with the ball. Worst case scenario, throw it away,

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Speaker 1: take a sack. Bro like there were times to night

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Speaker 1: where it felt like he was playing on a team

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Speaker 1: that needed a guy to score four touchdowns on his own.

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Speaker 1: It's like, CJ, that is not this game. And you

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Speaker 1: look across and Demiko, I mean, the guy was born

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Speaker 1: to be a coach. Even at halftime he was like

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Speaker 1: positive about CJ strategy, like, Yeah, we just need to

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Speaker 1: hold on to the ball a little better, hold on

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Speaker 1: the ball a little better. To drop the ball four times.

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Speaker 1: One of them was a bad snap, but the other

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Speaker 1: two they were very preventable. Now, you could also argue

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Speaker 1: calling a flea flicker in the first half. I don't

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Speaker 1: pretend to be some former offensive coordinator or some schematic genius,

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Speaker 1: but part of a flea flicker typically is a little

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Speaker 1: later in the game. So everyone bites on the run,

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Speaker 1: you know, because you've been running it throughout the game.

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Speaker 1: You don't just need the DBS to bite, you need

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Speaker 1: the defensive line to respect it. Well. The defensive line

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Speaker 1: didn't respect it at all, and CJ just gets obliterated.

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Speaker 1: So you could put that one on the offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: more than the quarterback. But holy moly, CJ was trying

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Speaker 1: to hand the Steelers the game and this goes back.

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Speaker 1: They're so bad. He could have given them three more turnovers,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have mattered. The Steelers had two. I think

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Speaker 1: they had two conversions on third down all night long.

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Speaker 1: They were like two to thirteen or two of fourteen.

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Speaker 1: They're horrendous. So I just think the question mark now

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Speaker 1: with the Houston Texans is the quarterback and him going

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Speaker 1: on the road to New England. Listen, I just don't

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Speaker 1: trust him. And now Nico Collins is surely out, But

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Speaker 1: the defense alone can win them the game. And I

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Speaker 1: just wouldn't bet against this Houston Texas team. So on

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Speaker 1: initial thought, that is going to be a very very

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Speaker 1: difficult matchup for Drake May. Chargers defense is good. This

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Speaker 1: defense right now is elite and they literally will hurt you.

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Speaker 1: So if New England wins that game, they could win

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. But I think Houston's defense alone, if

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Speaker 1: CJ and the offense can just give them, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Ten points and maybe they can account for another touchdown

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Speaker 1: and they get to like fifteen seventeen points range. I

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Speaker 1: think they can win the game. Hell, you just saw

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Speaker 1: for most of the game yesterday, it's not like New

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Speaker 1: England was scoring. So I think I like Houston in

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Speaker 1: that game. Now, big picture, could they make a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl run? Hard to say that with the play that

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Speaker 1: we just saw out of the quarterback, because he just

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Speaker 1: makes too many poor plays. Even there was one where

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Speaker 1: he like stepped up in the pocket. It was beautiful.

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Speaker 1: He kind of scrambled around then stepped up. Nico Collins

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Speaker 1: was running all by himself and CJ's not This isn't

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams where he's throwing one hundred miles an hour

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Speaker 1: all the time. Like in theory, touch should be a

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Speaker 1: huge part of his game. All you gonna do is

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Speaker 1: just like that. That should be a throw that CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud the player makes ninety percent of the time. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Kevin Garnett could have caught that ball.

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Speaker 1: So that that's what would make me concerned about the

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Speaker 1: Texans because from a from the well, they're well coached.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Demiko's a stud. Their defense is elite. Their

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Speaker 1: offense plays hard. I mean, Christian Kirk tonight was awesome,

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Speaker 1: Woody Marks was running his ass off. But Nico Collins

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Speaker 1: is surely going to be gone for this game. But

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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe Christian Gonzalez will two. So what to

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on that matchup. But listen, you should

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Speaker 1: be fired up. You typically they win in the first round,

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Speaker 1: it's at home when they're the four seeds. So going

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Speaker 1: on the road in a cold environment and winning a

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Speaker 1: game was a final score thirty to six. Picking off

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and probably his last career pass is something

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Speaker 1: you can be pretty excited about. Let's get to a

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Speaker 1: story I saw today that I said, ooh, there's something there.

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Speaker 1: Chris Mara, who is John Morrow's brother, unlike most owners,

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Speaker 1: to my knowledge in texting around the people, really likes football,

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Speaker 1: like fancies himself as a football guy, likes personnel. Is

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Speaker 1: technically like one of the high up personnel executives on

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Speaker 1: the Giants. And someone told me that years ago they

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Speaker 1: had thought about just making him the general manager, but

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Speaker 1: cooler heads prevailed and they realized you don't want a

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Speaker 1: GM that you can't fire because the guy owns the team.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants playing in the NFC East have a

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Speaker 1: good idea what that looks like. With Jerry Jones creates

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Speaker 1: a lot of stories that are just unnecessary in a

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Speaker 1: lot of noise, So they always name a general manager.

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane is the current GM, but Chris Marr reviews

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Speaker 1: himself as a personnel man. Once upon a time, someone

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Speaker 1: told me that Chris Mara, back when Jerry Reese was there,

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Speaker 1: he would have him and his scouting staff, and then

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Speaker 1: like Marrow would have a little personnel staff. So he's

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Speaker 1: every bit the owner that John is too, but he

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Speaker 1: likes personnel, the draft going over players, and he went

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Speaker 1: on a solo mission to John Harbaugh's home in Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: And the first thing I thought of when I read

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Speaker 1: that headline is that ain't good if you're the GM,

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Speaker 1: because if he wanted to pitch the if I was

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Speaker 1: the owner and I was going to John Harbaugh's home

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Speaker 1: when the GM is running the coaching search, you would

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Speaker 1: think that he would bring him along, especially because it's

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Speaker 1: been reported that Joe and John Harbaugh had a conversation

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Speaker 1: last week. I would imagine because obviously John is going

639
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: through cancer treatment and probably unable to be as active

640
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: as he would normally be as they go through a

641
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of these coaching searches. I mean they've been running

642
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: through coaches, you know, like you do practice squad players

643
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: over the last decade. That Chris is kind of pretty

644
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: important in this whole thing. And if he's not that

645
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: big on Joe Shane, and clearly John Harbaugh, if he

646
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: wants his own guy would clearly be comfortable telling him

647
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: when he's sitting on his couch over a cocktail. So

648
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: my guess is this, if John Harbaugh told Chris Mara,

649
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: which multiple people have reported, he's interested in the Giant's job,

650
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: Joe Shane and a lot of Giants fans asked this question,

651
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 1: and it was very fair to ask, how does Brian

652
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: Daball lose his job and the guy that came with

653
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: him as a package deal keep it job? And there's

654
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: not really been an answer. Well, the answer might be

655
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: is John Harbaugh might force his hand on that one

656
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: and put Joe Shane with Brian Dable no longer employed

657
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: by the New York Giants. So the longer this thing goes,

658
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I do have a hard time seeing John Harbaugh coach

659
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: for the Miami Dolphins. I've said this forever. I've been

660
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: there a couple times. It's beautiful. I mean, it's hard

661
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: to beat South Florida. I can't even imagine what it's

662
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: like having like John Harball level money, the neighborhoods, you

663
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: could shop in the life, you could lead Harbor's and

664
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: football guys man. When Jim Harbaugh got the job for

665
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers, he lived in a Winnebago. He lived in

666
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: a trailer park with Greg Roman, and he loved it.

667
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh would coach an NFL team if they had

668
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: a good quarterback in North Dakota. John Harbaugh feels like

669
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: a Northeast guy. John Harbaugh's lived in the Northeast from

670
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight to twenty twenty five when he got

671
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: hired by the Philadelphia Eagles and up through last week

672
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: when he was fired by Steve Bushatti. He does feel

673
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: if he truly wants to win, and he doesn't just

674
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: want one hundred million dollars in just a little less pressure,

675
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: because that's what Miami would be. But from a pure

676
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: football standpoint, especially if the Giants are like, hey, man,

677
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: if you want to bring one of your homies from

678
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: the Ravens to run personnel. Clearly, Ozzie's produced a lot

679
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: of good little underlinks who have gone on to be

680
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: gms and know what they're doing. If you want in,

681
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: we'll do it. If I was a betting man right now,

682
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: assuming all the reports are true about that that conversation

683
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: and time they spent going well, I would say Joe

684
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: Shane would be in major trouble. And if John Harbaugh

685
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: is the next coach of the New York Giants, I

686
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: think it would be stunning if he kept his gig,

687
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: And if he did, it would be one of those

688
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: situations where he held on for like eight months and

689
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: he was neutered at the draft and has no juice

690
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: and is essentially a dead man walking, which happens constantly.

691
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: I remember when I was living in the Barry, it

692
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: happened with John Gruden and Reggie Mackenzie. Now John made

693
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: the mistake, and I like Mike Mayock a lot, but

694
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: hiring a guy that had never worked in the NFL

695
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: as a personnel man, Obviously, John would surely hire someone

696
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: from the Ravens who trained their guys as well as

697
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: anyone in the league. So I think if you're Joe

698
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: Shane and you saw that story, especially if you didn't

699
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: know about it, probably not sleeping great. And the other

700
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: coaching story, you know. Schefter reported on Monday morning that

701
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur all signs are that they will figure out

702
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: a deal, and clearly Matt wants a big race and

703
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: a big extension. A lot of Packer fans are frustrated

704
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: that they can't figure it out in the playoffs and they've

705
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: had some devastating losses. I mean, there's no disputing that

706
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: the game to Tampa years ago with Rogers. They lost

707
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: a game a couple of years ago to the forty

708
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: nine ers where they were kicking their butt in the

709
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: second round of the playoffs, and nothing was worse than

710
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: giving up twenty five points. It's in the fourth quarter too.

711
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: It's weird calling them their hated rival. But the rivalry, well,

712
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: it's a historic rivalry. It never really mattered that much.

713
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: It feels like it's gone zero to sixty fast. This

714
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson Lafour thing is is pretty fun. So Michaeh.

715
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: Parsons came out and the Packers aren't one of those

716
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: teams with you know, the trading picks for players. If anything,

717
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: over Rogers era. They were the most conservative team in

718
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: the league when it came to personnel. They pumped their

719
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: chest about Charles Woodson. Like Charles Woodson didn't have a

720
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: big market. When they signed him, he became like resurrected

721
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: his career, became a superstar, kind of validated his Hall

722
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: of Fame career. But when they acquired him, it wasn't

723
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: like when they acquired Reggie White in nineteen ninety three. Right,

724
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: it was kind of slim pickens for Charles at the time.

725
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: And I think this Micah Parsons thing was out of

726
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: their comfort zone. And listen, it was the right move.

727
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: He was awesome for them, and injuries happen, it sucks.

728
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: But when he came out today and said, part of

729
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the reason that I wanted to come here not only

730
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: okayed the trade, but wanted to sign a big extension

731
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: was because of Lafloor and went on and on and on.

732
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: That's just not a normal player saying that, like that's

733
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: just going to hold a lot of juice. And they

734
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: don't have an owner. So for ed Policy, who's never

735
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: run a team before just this year becoming the president

736
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: for Murphy, I think that puts a lot of pressure

737
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: on you to kind of keep it going. So unless

738
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: there are internal things that we don't know about, which

739
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: don't seem to be the case. Packers obviously blow some

740
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: late games, not great, and they got I'm not acting

741
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: like Lafleur's the perfect coach. But when Micah Parsons did that,

742
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: I went, I don't think they're going to be able

743
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: to move on from and let's face it, they moved

744
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: on from. Who are they going to hire? But it

745
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: feels like that kind of solidified, like he's going to

746
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: be okay a couple other things around the NFL. I

747
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: do think we have a little bit of like an

748
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: epidemic of these coaches going for it, and I think

749
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: there's a consistent theme. I've always said, you'll never meet

750
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: a fan who, in big spots Layton games, don't want

751
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: their coach to be aggressive, right, go for it, go

752
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: for the kill shot. Like I would say, most fans

753
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: on their couch are at the game. You heard it

754
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: tonight when Rogers stayed on the field early in the

755
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: game for a fourth down they ended up getting it.

756
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: I think the thieling, you get loud standing ovations. Most

757
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: human beings aren't like, just kick the field goal. But

758
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: I do think that we've jumped the shark a little

759
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: bit when it comes to the first half of these games.

760
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: Part of the reason you do that in the second

761
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: half is, Hey, your defense is playing like crap. Hey

762
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: you can't get a stop to save your life. Hey,

763
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: we're down x number of points. A field goal doesn't

764
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: do us any good here. You start doing the math,

765
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, you're gonna need two touchdowns to even

766
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: tie this game. But in the first half of games,

767
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: you have no clue how the thing's gonna play out.

768
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: You have no clue as the game goes, if someone's

769
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna get injured, if something is gonna substantially change from

770
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: a schematic standpoint, as teams often do. If a team

771
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: that look like, you know, the greatest offense you've ever seen,

772
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: goes to a team that can't gain a yard, it

773
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: happens all the time. Yet Liam Cohen, Sean McVay, and

774
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson all in their games early on went for it.

775
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: I thought pretty recklessly on fourth down, and Liam Cohen

776
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: and obviously he lost, you know, he goes for it.

777
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is down whatever a couple of inches, short

778
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: of the line. Josh Allen drives them down for a touchdown.

779
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: So it's a ten point swing in the game. This

780
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: is the first half. This isn't the fourth quarter where

781
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, we're up four points, make it eleven,

782
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: let's end them. This is the first half. It's a

783
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: seven to three game. Just take the points. Make it

784
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: a ten to three game. You're have a touchdown, Sean McVeigh.

785
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: It was seventeen to seven. A field goal makes it

786
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: twenty to seven. You're playing Bryce Young, not Cam Newton,

787
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: and Luke Keagley, like what are we talking about here?

788
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson went for it on his own thirty

789
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: yard line. It's like, Ben, it's freezy cold. Let's just

790
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: see how this situation plays out with the Packers. They're

791
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: not gonna score in every drive. And what happened in

792
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: the second half punt punt, punt punt. And I think

793
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: all three of those guys have in common. They're offensive

794
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: play colors, which, let's face it, they don't respect or

795
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: think about the kicker. You know why they think about touchdowns?

796
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Who respects kickers? Defensive guys? Why because they're coaching that

797
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: side of the ball and they want to play in

798
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: a lower scoring game, and they think about the sport

799
00:44:55,320 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: in a lower scoring mindset. Yet all these guys touchdowns, touchdowns, touchdowns,

800
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: and what do they also like to do, especially Cohen

801
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: and Sean McVay pass the ball. I just think we

802
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: got to be a little more careful in the first

803
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: half of games. Dan Lanning did this a couple of

804
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: weeks ago against Texas Tech. You have no clue how

805
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: the game's gonna play out. So if you get a

806
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: chance to make it nine to nothing when it's six

807
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: to nothing like that might really matter. And for Dan

808
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: Lanning it did. The team he was playing couldn't even

809
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: score a touchdown. But in this notion of like, well

810
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: that's just what they do, that's just a dumb mindset.

811
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't respect anyone. It's like, well, this is just

812
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: what I do well right now. In whatever situation you're in,

813
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: whether it's football, whatever you do in life, if what

814
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: you need to do calls for something else and you

815
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: don't do it, then I just think you're an idiot.

816
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: I think you're stubborn. And anytime that a coach is stubborn,

817
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: it will come back to bite them in the ass.

818
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: So I think some of these offensive coaches need to balance.

819
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Like take a field goal. Now, I get if if

820
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: it's like a fifty yard field goal windy conditions in

821
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: December in January, I get it. But some of these

822
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 1: guys are passing on like twenty yard chip shot field

823
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: goals when they have the lead in the second quarter.

824
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: None of us can see ahead how the game's gonna look.

825
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: No one had the Packers offense just doing nothing for

826
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: the third quarter, but that's the way it played out.

827
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: Those points were punting the ball would have really mattered.

828
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: The other thing for the Bears. Now, I get Ben Johnson,

829
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: wasn't there. You did draft a punter in the fourth round.

830
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, you have one of the best kickers in

831
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: the league, like Sean. You're up twenty to seven against

832
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Is there a soul on this earth that

833
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: would have believed they could have come back when you

834
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: went up twenty to seven. No, there is not. So

835
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: I don't think this is gonna change, But I do

836
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of these coaches have gotten a little

837
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,479
Speaker 1: reckless in the first half of games when it comes

838
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: to passing on field goals. Okay, a couple other things

839
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: one thing that has gone pretty viral, and I kind

840
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: of noticed it, but I wasn't I didn't have the

841
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: volume up that loud, and I was just I don't know.

842
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: I was just watching the game more than listening to

843
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: Nance and Romo. But there were a couple of moments

844
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: when I was like, what are you to say? Tony

845
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: Romo a couple of years ago, was just considered the

846
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: greatest thing in the history of broadcasting. He knew all

847
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: the plays, he had a big smile. It's like, God,

848
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 1: it's kind of nice to have a guy just having fun.

849
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: And a couple of years later, it feels like universally

850
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: everyone thinks he stinks. And I was as guilty as

851
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: anybody when Tom Brady first started. I'm like, Tom one

852
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: thing I didn't understand about Tom. I do get it.

853
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: I think once you become this famous, once you become

854
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of the level of a celebrity of Tom, it's

855
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: hard to balance on and off the camera. Like the

856
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: guy Edelman and Gronkowski and his buddies get to see

857
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: off the camera. We don't get that guy when the

858
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: camera's on. He just can kind of turn on every

859
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: once in a while. Now you kind of get it

860
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Maybe he's become a little more relaxed.

861
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: Sometimes you see him on podcasts or when he goes

862
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: on with Colin, he can be really good, and it

863
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: felt like he was really uptight, and in fairness to him,

864
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: he'd never done the job. And we and I again,

865
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm guilty as anyone on this, I held him to

866
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: a really high standard. They gave him thirty seven and

867
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: a half million dollars a year. They gave him a

868
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: three hundred seventy million dollar contract, So I'm sorry. I

869
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: was expecting like John Madden meets Joe Montana, and that's

870
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: not really what we got. But there is no disputing

871
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: by this time, Tom is extremely relaxed, and it does

872
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: feel that we just kind of get to hang out

873
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady watching a football game now. And he

874
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: went pretty viral for you know, the clip he had

875
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: with throwing the ball and you can kind of give

876
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: him some nerdy stuff, let him hang out, enjoy the game.

877
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: He kind of made a scream when Juwan Jennings on

878
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: the pass, like he's just kind of hit a stride.

879
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: He's just I don't know if he's a thirty seven

880
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: million dollar broadcaster, but he's good and he's Tom Brady,

881
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: so it works. Tony Romo. Obviously, he said at the

882
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: beginning of the game that Jacksonville winning would be like

883
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: Carolina winning, when by the time the game kicked off,

884
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: they were favored, and Jacksonville, by all accounts anyone that

885
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: watched them play over the course of the last two months,

886
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: they were playing as well as any team in the league.

887
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 1: And you know, Tony's making all these sounds. I think

888
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: what he's tried to pivot to is tried to become

889
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 1: this big personality, like this fun kind of John Madden

890
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: was that way right, and John Gruden was kind of

891
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: that way too. Now John Madden's been gone for a

892
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: while and hasn't called games in almost two decades, but

893
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: it always felt like John Madden really knew what was

894
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: going on and really knew the players and coaches like personally,

895
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: so it felt like he was describing you to them.

896
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how much film John Madden watched in

897
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: the nineties and two thousands, but I never felt like

898
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: he didn't know what he was talking about. And then,

899
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: obviously his personality is a one of a kind, right,

900
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: He's like a Hollywood actor and Gruden had some of

901
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: Madden's just kind of big personality. But everyone knew this

902
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: guy was getting up at the crack of dawn to

903
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: watch every game both teams have played. That he would know.

904
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: It's why his Gruden grinders would be a bunch of

905
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: random players. He would geek out on the football aspect

906
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: of it, whether he was calling the Jags game or

907
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: whether he was calling the eighty five Bears playing the

908
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: eighty five forty nine Ers, Joe Montana playing Walter Payton.

909
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: He knew it all. And thing is, Tony Roman doesn't

910
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: feel like he knows it, and he doesn't feel that

911
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: cool when he's doing his stuff and he's with Nance,

912
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: who really is much more of a buttoned up, old

913
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: school play by play guy. It's just not really working.

914
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: And for the first time, I kind of agree with

915
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people, I'm like, God, this is this

916
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: is weird. It's just kind of weird. And the other

917
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: thing is like doing a Jags game for them not

918
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: as easy as doing the Bills, doing the Chiefs, doing

919
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: the Broncos, you know, doing the good teams they typically do,

920
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: Like how many Bills in Chiefs game? They know that

921
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: team like the back of their hand. He doesn't know

922
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: the Jags. You got to do a lot more work

923
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: to catch up on what's going on there. So I

924
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: don't know how to fix it, but I do agree

925
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: with a lot of people it's not really working. And

926
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: speaking of the Jags, I want to end on this.

927
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: This lady in their press conference went pretty viral for

928
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: basically giving Liam Cohen a standing ovation telling him to

929
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: hold his head high. He did a remarkable job, and

930
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: all those things are true. What Liam Cohen did this

931
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: year is pretty remarkable. I think he's one of like

932
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: three coaches to in his first year take a team

933
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: from four wins to thirteen plus wins. One of them

934
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: was George Seaffert, who took over like a super champion.

935
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: I forget the other one, but it was a list

936
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: of like multiple time Super Bowl champions. What he did

937
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: with the Jags is remarkable. I also thought that moment

938
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: could only happen to a team that none of us

939
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: take that seriously. That view the Jags as kind of

940
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: like a team that you would see in the movies,

941
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: like the branding you would see in any given Sunday.

942
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: Can you imagine someone getting up in the press conference

943
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: after Nick Sirianni just lost to Kyle Shanahan and saying

944
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: that can you imagine someone at Soldier Field being in

945
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: the press conference to Matt Lafleur and saying that you

946
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: can't because it wouldn't happen. It never has happened, it

947
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: never will happen. And listen. I'm not a journalist. I

948
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: don't do journalism. I do podcasting. I say whatever I

949
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: want now, I, in a weird way, do some because

950
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm texting people in the NFL and in this profession

951
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: constantly to get information that then I shape what I'm

952
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: gonna talk like. I'm not just willy nilly throwing shit

953
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: at the wall out of the time. But I'd by

954
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: no means consider myself a journalism at this point in time.

955
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even consider myself a media member. That being said,

956
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: I have done that type stuff. I've gone to a

957
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: ton of press conferences and got to know and would

958
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: consider friends people that cover teams as journalists, especially in

959
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: the Bay Area. Tim Kawakami, Matt Mayoko, Matt Barrows, Anthony

960
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: Slater who covers the Warriors, Marcus Thompson, who covers the Warriors,

961
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: these guys who I would consider are journalists. And all

962
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: these guys have very close relationships with the coaches they cover,

963
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: with the general managers they cover, and a lot of

964
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: them with the players they cover. They know that they

965
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: have dinners that no one knows about with them. They

966
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: text with them. They have relationships with these guys, and

967
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: obviously they also have to ask tough questions. I've seen

968
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Tim Kawakami just get into it with Jim Harball. I

969
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: would imagine if you asked Jim Harba, he would say,

970
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: I consider Tim Kawakami a friend. So listen what I

971
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: like as a consumer. I like when people are screaming

972
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: at each other. I like and we don't get as

973
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: much anymore when the coach or the player would scream

974
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: at the Big Jay and sometimes the Big j gives

975
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: it back. That's entertainment to me. Ethan Strauss, who has

976
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: one of the best substacks on the internet, who's someone

977
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I would consider a friend, had a famous viral moment

978
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: with Kevin Durant or Kevin started lighting him up like

979
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree. This is the Big Leagues. It's a

980
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: weird gig that a lot of these teams and pro sports.

981
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: You have those individuals questioning the coaches, are you gonna

982
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: keep your job? Do you think the team should bring

983
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: you back? That's not a normal environment that any of

984
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 1: us live in. I don't have people on a daily

985
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: basis of like middlecoff. Do you think you're a good

986
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: enough podcaster? Should you be retained? Right? How many of

987
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: you that are like working at Wells Fargo or some

988
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: insurance company once a week have a guy stand in

989
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: front of you with the microphone and go bill, do

990
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: you think AFLAC should bring you back? For Q three?

991
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't happen to any of us. But that's the job

992
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: they're in, and that's the job all these people have chosen,

993
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: and it just comes with the territory, and most of

994
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: the coaches and the players know it and just deal

995
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: with it. I do think, though, that's a reflection of

996
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: the Jaguars more than this lady, because I can imagine

997
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: this lady, who I don't know, never heard of, was

998
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: probably excited for the first time or one of the

999
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: only times in the last like twenty years, whatever she

1000
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: does for a living actually matter. People kind of cared

1001
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: because the team always sucks. They're always drafted high if

1002
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: you did that in film when I was working for

1003
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: the Eagles, I might get I'm pretty sure it was

1004
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Less Bowen either attack Jeff McLain or Jeff McLain attacked

1005
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: less booth. There was a fight in the locker room

1006
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: for open locker room to interview the players, and like

1007
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: a Sante, Samuel was like rooting it on, like that's

1008
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: what I enjoy, that's what I want. I want there

1009
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: to be just this is all entertainment like that, and listen.

1010
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: I like Adam Schefter, He's always been cool to me.

1011
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: He put that out there like it was some feel

1012
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: good stories like this isn't little league. They were just

1013
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: hosting the Buffalo Bills as a favorite.

1014
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: They just won thirteen games, pretty sure, they won their

1015
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: last eight games. They were the hot you could argue

1016
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: they were the hottest team in the NFL coming into

1017
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: the playoffs and they just lost because their quarterback played,

1018
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: like shit, this isn't this isn't high school football, which

1019
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: I love high school football.

1020
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: This is the pros. And I just thought, I don't

1021
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: get as caught up by the rules. Iybore just like

1022
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: that's kind of a reflection of that franchise that just

1023
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't happen in other places. You think someone did that

1024
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: to Mike Tomlin. Hey, Mike, I know you just got

1025
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: a curb stomped by the Houston Texans thirty to six.

1026
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: People are probably calling for your job. Your quarterback who's

1027
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: forty two is gonna retire. All the defensive guys in

1028
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: your team are really old. But man, hold your head high, bro,

1029
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: you never lose. You are a true champion. To me,

1030
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: they get laughed at. Someone just told Sirianni like, just

1031
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: hold your head high, and the other reporters might have

1032
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: thrown them out. And I actually think fans find that entertainment.

1033
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: Yet I'm looking at these comments on the internet, It's

1034
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: like we need more of this positive reinforcement. Positive they

1035
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: lost the fucking game, Like this isn't positive reinforcement is

1036
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: like when someone gets injured, like hold you know, hold

1037
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: your head high, George kittle Man, you're gonna battle back, right,

1038
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: or Nico Collins, like prayers for Nico, like hold your

1039
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: head high. You just lost at home. You won thirteen games,

1040
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: Like there's no we don't give ribbons out. So I

1041
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: just think that was that could only happen to the

1042
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: Jacks A hard time seeing that happen in any other franchise,

1043
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: and I think it's less a reflection of the lady.

1044
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't care about revoking credentials or any of that crap,

1045
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: but I just think that I mean, Aaron Glenn got

1046
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: asked about his job starting like week three up until

1047
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: week eighteen, every single week by like seven different people

1048
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: every single press conference. Now, granted they sucked and he

1049
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: didn't have an they didn't have an interception, but like,

1050
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: that's I think most people appreciate that culture. It's like,

1051
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on here? I think that

1052
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: people wanted to ask, like, hey, Liam, what just happened?

1053
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: What happened to your quarterback? But hey man, good job.

1054
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: Keep trucking the volume.