1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome to Always Hungry from My Heart Radio. 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: My name is Bobby Flay and I'm here with my 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: daughter and co host. I'm Sophie Flag and I'm Always Hungry. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Sophie and I gathered around my stove to cook together. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: Well you cook, I asked the questions, and eat the food. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: If there's any food left. We come to the table 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: together to share a meal, connect as a family, and 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: tell the stories that matter to us. All right, dad, 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: you know what today's theme is. I think it's all 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: about shellfish, right, our real passionate love for shellfish. If 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: it's seafood with a shell, we're eating it, bringing the 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: seafood tower one to one two. This is the shellfish episode. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: And just in case you think that you heard a 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: cat meowing rapidly in the background, you are right. That's 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: my cat, Nacho. Nacho Flay. He has his own very 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Nacho has his very own media world. You can check 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: him out at at at not a Flay on Instagram 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: and you can learn about his entrepreneurial ways. Okay, so um, 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you how to make it like a 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: very classic shrimp cocktail. Have you ever made shrimp cocktail before, 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't think so. So the thing about shrimp cocktail 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: that I love is that it's so classic, and a 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: lot of times I'll find myself eating some sort of 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: shrimp cocktail either like in like in a steakhouse, they 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: always have shrimp cocktails an appetizing, very classic, so that's 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: always something that that I reorder. But also like you'll 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: see like you know, um like boiled shrimp or a 28 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: shrimp cocktail kind of thing like in like in brasseries 29 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: in France or the United States, whatever, you know, and 30 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: like if you if you see them like on like 31 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: these big platters of shellfish, you know that we that 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: we served with cocktail sauce that we serve with like 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: a mustard mayonnaise kind of thing, some mignonette whatever. But 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: basically I'm gonna show you how to make a shrimp cocktail. 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: It's like really really classic. So in something this is 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: a very sort of American style dish. So the first 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: thing you have to do is make a corporiond Have 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: you ever heard that phrase before? Now? So a corpoon 39 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: is like the liquid that you cook the shrimp in. 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: Because I always find like more often than not that 41 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: if you go to If you go to a restaurant 42 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: and you order some cocktail, the shrimp is actually bland. Interesting. 43 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: It doesn't have a flavor, got it. It's just kind 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: of like there's no seasoning to it. So basically a 45 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: corpoon is usually like some white wine, some water, some 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: lemon juice, some garlic, maybe like some celery, um and onions, 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: and then like some fresh time. I don't have time, 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: but I have some rosemary in my garden, so I'm 49 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: gonna use that. So basically what so what you do 50 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: is you take you take the water and the wine, 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: and you put into the into the liquid and the 52 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: and the and the and the onions and the garlic, 53 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: all the aromatics. And see what's gonna happen is this 54 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: is just gonna flavor the um the water that you're 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: gonna steam the shrimp in. Alright, Sophie. So not many 56 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: podcasts have a single subject of shellfish because no one 57 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: else is as crazy as us, No I know, but 58 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's really it's one of the things that 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: really kind of like binds us together as as it's 60 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: foundational for our relationship and daughter exactly right. But it 61 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: started it started out very early. I mean you were 62 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: I've always loved you know, shellfish in general, you know, lobster, scallops, crabs, oysters, clams, etcetera. 63 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: And you kind of followed suit early on. I mean, 64 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much of this you remember, 65 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: but you used to like walk up to lobster tanks 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: and literally look at the lobsters like you wanted them 67 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: like steam with some drawn butter, not just like because 68 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: you thought they were cool, like swimming around in their 69 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: tanks like you were hungry. And that hasn't changed, no, 70 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: I still feel that way today. You know. The other 71 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: thing that you really love to eat when you were 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: a kid, with things like muscles and clams, which is 73 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: kind of like some some people think that that's weird 74 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: for like a young kid. I mean when I say young, 75 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean you were too and you were eating like 76 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: muscles and clams, like steamed, steamed and broth. And I 77 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: just think that like you were attracted to like those 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: sort of salty, briny, natural flavors of shellfish. I mean, 79 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: to me, I think that's really what it is. Those 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: are my favorite flavors for sure. But also I mean 81 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: it might be weird because not a lot of people 82 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: have that type of exposure at that age. I mean 83 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: I just because of you, I had, I had the 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: right exposure. And there were definitely things that you didn't 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: like when you were growing up that you like now. 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: You know a handful of things I can just think 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: of at the top of my head, like tomatoes, raspberries. 88 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and you know, and and times change. 89 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: But the one thing about you is that shellfish has 90 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: been part of your like love the entire time. Yeah. 91 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: And we took our first trip together overseas. We went 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: to Paris. Do you remember that? Of course? How old 93 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: you you? Twelve? Yeah? Check my Instagram for Sophie's birthday 94 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: this year. I actually don't, yes, because I posted a 95 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: picture of you in Paris that day. You had like 96 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: your you had your beret on. I had awful banks 97 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 1: you had. You looked amazing you had. You had your 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: bret on, this like great sort of rain trench coat on. 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: You were standing in front of the Eiffel Tower. You're 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: like you were literally like the little American girl in Paris. 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: And all I needed was a bad gut. Yes, if 102 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: you had a bad guet, that would have been it. 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: And like a little container of butter. It would have 104 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: been like French butter, would have been totally perfect. But 105 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: I remember, like your mom was making fun of us 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: because she's like, I don't understand. You took this kid 107 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: to Paris and basically all you guys did was eat fish, 108 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: like the shellfish. And I'm like, yeah, because that we're 109 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: in Paris, so like you go to like these brasseries 110 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: and these be stros so fun. That was really like 111 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: the first time I remember being in like a French brasserie. 112 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: Like yeah, well, obviously that makes sense because I was 113 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: young and we were in Paris, but still, like you know, 114 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: it's it's so different than what you get here in 115 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: the US. It is. It is different. Although you know, 116 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: obviously you know, many restaurant tours, you know, myself included, 117 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: are inspired by those kinds of travels, etcetera, and in 118 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: the classic things that you know, you know, for fifteen 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: years in New York City, I had a Russian called 120 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: Bar American, which was really an American style let's just say, 121 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: an American style French brousserie. You know, it was completely 122 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: inspired by my trips and travels two places, like you know, Paris, 123 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: where you know it was it was that was the 124 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: way I wanted to eat then I still like to 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: eat eat that way now. But it was like, you know, 126 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: lots of like it was steak freed, so like steak 127 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: and French fries, you know, Yeah, I mean they didn't 128 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: name the French. They didn't name the fry after after 129 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: France for no reason. I mean they you know, the 130 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: French Parisian style way to cook French fries is still 131 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: the best way. It's a double it's a double cooking method. 132 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: That's another show because today we're talking about shellfish and 133 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: I can talk about French fries for hours on end. 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: But what did you just put in here? Okay, so 135 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: we have rosemary um and you can use classically used time, 136 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: some bay leaf, onions, garlic, lemon, a little bit of 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: selery um garlic, and then a little bit of wine 138 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: and you let this cook for a little while. Now, 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: like Louisiana, they'll do a corporal but it might have 140 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: like like a spice rub or like or like in 141 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: like in when they steam crabs in Maryland, same principle, 142 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: but they'll put old bay seasoning in it. Yeah, so 143 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: you can have so you can make like an old 144 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Bay shrimp cocktail here actually has something actually have some 145 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: old day here. We're just gonna sprinkle some in so obey, 146 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: is that that Maryland born um spice mixture that has 147 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: like paprika and garlic and onions and bay leaf and 148 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: sell recede a bunch of other stuff. Um. And so 149 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: then what happens is you make this broth and then 150 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: you let all the aromatics flavor the flavor of the 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: wine and the water, and then you cook the shrimp 152 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: in it, so the shrimp actually has by itself. See 153 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: that's the key, all right. And then what I do 154 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: is I strained it out. Strain this out. How long 155 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: did you cook that for? I mean you should cook 156 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: it for like at least twenty minutes or a half 157 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: an hour. That's really the key. So straight out all 158 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: the aromatically. Basically what you do is you just have 159 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: like this flavored broth and then you put the you 160 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: take the shrimp. The shrimp that's cleaned. So I peeled 161 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: into yes, and I always keep the shells and I 162 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: make a shrimp stock out of it. I guess I 163 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: should have kept the tail on these. I didn't this time. 164 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter, and we're gonna put the shrimp 165 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: right into the into the broth, and we're just gonna 166 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: post the shrimp in the broth. You see. So now 167 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: what you're getting is instead of just boiling it in 168 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: like plain water, you're getting it. You're getting all this 169 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: this these aromatics in the flavor of the broth. Have 170 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: you ever had shrimp cocktail on your menu? Yeah? Bar American, 171 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: it's like I kind of remember that. I have it 172 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: on the menu at Bar American. I have it on 173 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: the menu Bobby Flay steak. But they're like they're they're 174 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: not classic shrimp cocktails. There's a shrimp cocktail with like 175 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: like a twist to like a Bar American. It was like, um, 176 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: it was a Tolle Matteo cocktail sauce, so it was 177 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: a green sauce. Oh yeah, I do remember that. So good. 178 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: But then also the Bobby Flay Steak, it's a shrimp 179 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: cocktail and has a smoked chili cocktail sauce. So it's 180 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, uh, we had these things called plateau freedom mayor, 181 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: which is based that's just that's that's all My French 182 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: right there basically means it means platter of of you know, 183 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: fish and shellfish or you know, or fruits of the 184 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: sea as they you know in translation, and so like, 185 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, you'd have like poach shrimp, you'd have you know, 186 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: crab salad, you'd have steamed lobsters. At Bar American, you know, 187 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: we certainly were inspired by that, and we had like 188 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: different you know, levels of plateaus of the shellfish and 189 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: it was like tears of shellfish. So you have the 190 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: crushed ice in the bins, and then you'd have like 191 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: some scallops, or you'd have shrimp and crab, and then 192 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: you'd make different kinds of shellfish cocktails, which was the 193 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: shellfish cocktails at barmericanrare probably the most ordered dish. They 194 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: were so good. There were three on the top. There 195 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: were three of them, and so you could order one 196 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: individually in sort of a larger size, or you could 197 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: add or you could order a tasting of three, which 198 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: was probably the most photographed to the restaurant over the 199 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: fifteen years. So there was one that was lobster and 200 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: avocado cocktail, and it was more like a salad because 201 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: it was steamed lobster obviously out of the shell and 202 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: meat out of the shell and it had it was 203 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, there was avocado folded into it, some watercress, 204 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: some fresh tarragon, and then like horse radish and wish 205 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: just your sauce and olive oil. It was delicious. Then 206 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: there was a crab and a coconut cocktail. Do you 207 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: remember that one? I loved that one. So that was 208 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: blue crab from Maryland, you know, steamed in and out 209 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: of the shell as well. It had you know, very 210 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: finely diced ripe mangoes in there, like a coconut vinigrette 211 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: with cilantro in it, and so it was kind of like, uh, 212 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: you know, it almost had like a little bit of 213 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: a tropical thing happening. I just I didn't want to 214 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: just serve like, you know, just crab meat with cocktail sauce, 215 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: like I mean, you can get that in steak houses 216 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: and whatnot, which is totally fine. I'm down for that too, 217 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: But you know, I always feel like when I opened 218 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: a restaurant, like I have to do something that has 219 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a twist to it. It It just 220 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: can't be like just you know, clearly just copied out 221 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: of a textbook. And the third one was the shrimp cocktail. 222 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: But it wasn't a red cocktail sauce. It was a 223 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: green cocktail sauce made with Toma teos and horse radish 224 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: and honey. That one was so good to chili's. It's delicious. 225 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: The Toma teo cocktail sauce. I haven't made that in 226 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: a while. I'll have to do that. So it's so 227 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: signature to you. That's definitely a signature for me because 228 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: the Toma teos is something that I have been utilizing 229 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: since my early days at Mason Grill, you know, forever ago, 230 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: because Toma teos are such an important part of Southwestern cuisine. 231 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: So I used tom a teo's you know, all the time. 232 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: And to be able to kind of like bring in 233 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: a couple of those ingredients into into a you know, 234 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: sort of an American slash French brasserie is fun to do, 235 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, not not not not constantly, but like just 236 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of a couple of hits here 237 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: and there. Yeah, so that you know, and then you know, 238 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: the and then not like on the plateaus we would 239 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: serve like and then we'd have oysters to like oysters 240 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: and clams, and we'd have West Coast oysters and East 241 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: Coast oysters. I think we've gone over this. Do you 242 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: know the do you know the oyster rule something with 243 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: the months? You don't remember this, I don't remember it. 244 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: Please please refresh my memory. It's a good it's a 245 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: good um. It's a good lesson if you remember it. Well, 246 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: this really is only for East Coast oysters. Okay, it's 247 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a really good rule of thumb. 248 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: I mean the problem with the East Coast there's no 249 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: problem with the eat Coast oysters. That to me, they're 250 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: the best oysters in the country, but maybe in the world. 251 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: And I like them because they have great brainy flavor 252 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: to them. So like Blue Point oysters, which you know 253 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: originated on you know, in Blue Point Long Island. To 254 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: me that that's what an oyster tastes like. It's probably 255 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: because that's what I grew up eating. It's like anything else, 256 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: you know. But so basically you should be eating East 257 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:58,239 Speaker 1: Coast oysters. When the month has the letter R in it, 258 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: it works. So let's go through it. January yes, February yes, okay, 259 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: March yes, wow, the hesitation there is scary. April yes, 260 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: May Nope, okay. So basically, so May June, July, August. Okay, May, June, July, August. 261 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: What are those months have in common on the East 262 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: Coast besides the fact that they don't have letter are 263 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: in them. It's hotter, so that means that the water 264 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: is warmer. So when the weather, when the weather is warmer, 265 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: the oysters begin to molt, you know, they go through 266 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: this process and they begin they get a little muddy 267 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: in texture and not as crisp and clean. So when 268 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: the water is cold, the oysters have that sort of 269 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: great briny flavor and they're crisper, and they have like 270 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: they have they have more of a like a of 271 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: a of a chewy texture to them in a good way, 272 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: you know. And So basically, long story, short letter, are 273 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: East Coast oysters in the middle, like in the spring 274 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: in the summer. If I want oysters, I ordered West 275 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: Coast oysters kumamotose delicious. Those are the tiny little ones. 276 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: So that's my oyster move for the day. Let me 277 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: show you how to make a quick cocktail sauce. So 278 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: basically it's catch up some porus trash, which I love. 279 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: I love the spiciness of that. Now, not not not 280 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: everybody puts hot sauce in it. But I'm gonna put 281 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: a little like a little Cayenne Louisiana hot sauce in there, 282 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: and then definitely some lemon, lemon juice. I didn't know 283 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: this is how you made cocktail sauce so easy. It's 284 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: so easy, and there's some salt and pepper. If you 285 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: want to put like a little wishes your sauce, you 286 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: can do it. Like people have like different renditions of 287 00:15:53,760 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: it good. What does it taste like? Tastes like cocktail sauce. 288 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: It's like tomato eat has a little sweetness from the 289 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: catchup itself. The horse radish has, you know, definitely has 290 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: its own sort of heat to it. To me, horse 291 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: radish and shellfish go hand in hand, you know, no 292 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: matter what you're serving, a little bit of heat from 293 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: that um frank's red hot and then you know you 294 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: brighten it up with lemon. What about restaurants, any restaurants 295 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: in l A like that you like to go eat 296 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: shell fish and like in on the east. To me, 297 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: it's a very East coast thing. It's so East coast, 298 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, like you go to you know, anywhere in 299 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: New England or New York State, and you'll find, like, 300 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, places that have like lobster rolls and steam 301 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: clams and muscles and steamers. And does that happen out 302 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: in l A, Yeah, I mean it does. Like you 303 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: can go to like Connie and Tad's, which is basically 304 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: in the East Coast version of that kind of food. 305 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: But when I think of oysters, I mean I think 306 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: about wanting to go to the oyster bar in Grand 307 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: Central Station. Yeah, I mean I iat in this place 308 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: in the Hampton's called Bostwicks, which obviously you know, you know, 309 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: lobster rolls, steam clams, steamers which are soft shell clams. 310 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: I love steamers so much. Those are hard to find 311 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: out here. Actually you can't. It's hard. Yeah, But I 312 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: mean like a lot of like a lot of early 313 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: shellfish memories for me. Also start at Mary's Fish Camp. 314 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: Oh my god, So Mary's Fish Camp for those of 315 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: people that have not been looking enough to go there. 316 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: I hate to call it a shack because it's a restaurant, 317 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: but that's how they guess people describe it. It's like 318 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: a lobster lobster rolls shack roll lobsters speak um just 319 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: because it's a shack doesn't mean it's not expensive, because 320 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: because these because this kind of these ingredients cost a 321 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: lot of money. So one thing that people like don't understand. 322 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: It's like they see a lobster roll and it's thirty 323 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: eight dollars and they're like, this is insane, right, well, 324 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: you're eating an entire lobster. They're probably losing money at 325 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: thirty you know, I'm just you know, I'm backing up 326 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: the restaurant tours of the world because you know, these 327 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: commodities cost a ton of money. You know, Lobster is like, 328 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, top of the food chain when it comes 329 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: to the expense. And just because it's sitting in a 330 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: toasted hot dog bun doesn't mean it's cheap. What about muscles, 331 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: I mean, muscles is like, okay, so the broth that 332 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: muscles make or one is one of the great things 333 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: I've ever made. Because I'll give you I'll give you 334 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: an Iron Chef secret. Whenever I had to cook something 335 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: on Iron Chef that needed like any kind of shellfish, 336 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: I would always get muscles and cook the muscles. And 337 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: sometimes I wouldn't even use the muscles, just the broth 338 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: to fortify whatever I was making, because the broth from 339 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: muscles is intoxicating, so like even more so than the 340 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: clam brought that we were talking about before. I think 341 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: muscles are even better. There's a place on the Moufie Coast. 342 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: So now I have this restaurant called the Maufie in 343 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, and you, clearly inspired by my might travel 344 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: to the Moufie Coast because well, it's delicious there, and 345 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's like a handful of dishes. There's 346 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: not a there's not a hundred dishes that you think 347 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: about there. There's there's all kinds of different fish and 348 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: shellfish of course, but like there's a handful of dishes 349 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: that are that are truly a Moufie coast. There's a 350 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: place called Dodd Alpho that actually in your bedroom in 351 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: my house. Here there's a picture of the place. Oh okay, sure, okay, 352 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: that's Dodd Alpho. So Dodd Alpho is speaking of shacks. 353 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: It's basically this shock on your positano nearby. And anybody 354 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: that's been to a Moufie coast more than once knows 355 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: this place because everybody tells you to go there. So 356 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: basically you pull the boat up, and you asked the 357 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: whoever you're having the boat to take you to Dad Alpho. 358 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: And then you get like nearby, and then the guy 359 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: calls the guy that owns it and says, you know, 360 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: I've five people. You know, what time can we come 361 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: for lunch or whatever? And the place is packed, but 362 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: it's in sand there. Nobody's in their bare feet and 363 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: t shirts and bathing suits, and you know, you've been 364 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: swimming in the Tyranny Sea. And then you want to 365 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: eat lunch. And so this place has like a handful 366 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: of dishes. I'll just go through them really quickly. You know. 367 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: One of them is fresh mozzarella that's cooked in lemon leaves. 368 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: One of them is like this pasta with this green 369 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: pepper pesto that they have. It's called frigid um peppers. 370 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: We can't get them here. Like the closest thing is 371 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: a Sheshito pepper. So I actually make ashito pepper pesto 372 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: for some things based on that experience exactly. And then 373 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: they have muscles, which is why you go there. Okay, 374 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: muscles is the real reason you go to Dal Adolpho. 375 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: And it's very simple. It's it's white wine. The muscles 376 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: make the broth with the white wine as it's steaming. 377 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: There's tomato in it, there's some garlic in it. I 378 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: don't know if there's herbs. I can't remember. It doesn't matter. 379 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: They are and you're sitting like on the sea eating 380 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: these things. You can't stop eating them. They're just incredible. 381 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: And what I do is I just kind of I 382 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: have them. They're like a little bowl here, so I 383 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: just I just attached the shrimp to the side of 384 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: the bowl. Fancy, Yeah, looks good. And then what I 385 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: always do is I'm cooking for yourself, you know, and 386 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: then um, I usually take a little bit of extra 387 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: horse rash and just put it right in the middle 388 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: of the cocktail. It's just a garnish. You don't have 389 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: to do that. But basically that's great. That's really it. 390 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: See and you can see these here smells broth. Oh, 391 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: it smells so good. Smells like it smells like Rosmarry. 392 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: But it really do smell like old Bay. Yeah, I'm 393 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: getting the onion too. That that was the old Bay version. 394 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: I was going to take these out and then basically 395 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: what you do is like you just post them until 396 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,239 Speaker 1: they're opaque, just cook through and then you put them 397 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: in the refrigerator because you don't want to serve hot 398 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: strip com I mean, who wants that. Actually, what I 399 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: do in my restaurants, which is something that I have 400 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: not seen anybody else do, is I take the shrimp 401 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: that are poached and cold, and I um, I season 402 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: them with a little olive oil and salt and pepper 403 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: on the outside. Oh it sounds good. It's a little 404 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: bit nastier than like regular shrimp contain because the shrimp 405 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: cocktail like this is just it's dry. It's not that 406 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: it's dry, it's just that doesn't have any like oil 407 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: on the outside of it. But I like the idea 408 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: of season it with salt and pepperges because I season 409 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: everything with salt and pepper. Why wouldn't I see my shrimp? 410 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: But you just never see it? Interesting? All right? So 411 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this in the middle of our table. Yeah. 412 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: The FIM Always Hungry is created by Bobby Flay and 413 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: Sophie Flay. Our executive producer is Christopher Hasiotis Always Hungry 414 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: is produced, edited and mixed by Jonathan hoss Dresser. Always 415 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: Hungry is engineered by Sophie Flay. 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