WEBVTT - Strange News: Three Deaths in Kansas City, AI Does Carlin, Corporate Sex Trafficking

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<v Speaker 1>From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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<v Speaker 1>riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Noela.

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<v Speaker 3>They call me Ben. We're joined as olders with our

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<v Speaker 3>super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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<v Speaker 3>you are here that makes this the stuff they don't

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<v Speaker 3>want you to know. As you're listening, we are reaching

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<v Speaker 3>the end of January in twenty twenty four, coming off

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<v Speaker 3>a long weekend here in the United States, where every

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<v Speaker 3>company worth being a company does acknowledge, commemorate, and celebrate

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<v Speaker 3>Martin Luther King Day. Over the long weekend, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of very bizarre things happened. A stand up comic was

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<v Speaker 3>brought back from the dead, the FBI is true story

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<v Speaker 3>investigating some decades worth of villainous actions by a fashion maven.

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<v Speaker 3>And something tragic and mysterious happened in Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 4>Finally, well really not in the tragic part, but just

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<v Speaker 4>something happening in Kansas City. I'm kidding. Kansas City is

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<v Speaker 4>a great town. I would like to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is something mysterious that occurred in tragic. On Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>January seventh, several friends gathered at a home within the

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<v Speaker 2>Coves Subdivision in the northwest suburbs of Kansas City, Missouri,

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<v Speaker 2>to watch their home team, the Chiefs, play the Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles Chargers. The game was watched by four or more people,

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<v Speaker 2>we know that for sure, or more. That's important here

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<v Speaker 2>and the game that they watched was played at Sofi

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<v Speaker 2>Stadium in Inglewood, California. The Chiefs won thirteen to twelve. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the last person you'd ever want to ask any

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<v Speaker 2>information about football, but from the numbers, it appears to

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<v Speaker 2>have been a close, perhaps tense game. Could also be important.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell us more about football, Well I will, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving little Easter eggs here that we can call

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<v Speaker 2>back to later. Bread crumbs, bread crumbs, there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a thank you, Payne Lindsay for that. There was

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<v Speaker 2>only one touchdown made by the Chiefs in the first quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>The Chargers came back with several field goals and they

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<v Speaker 2>were leading the game twelve to ten in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 2>but the winning field goal was made by the Chiefs

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth quarter. It's one of those come back

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<v Speaker 2>from behind things. And by the way, they are currently

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<v Speaker 2>number one in the AFC West, whatever that means. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 4>You'd both sports common data.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good thing for the fans. You'll love to

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<v Speaker 3>see it. Also, also shout out to all our Australian listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Got a message recently where someone asked me a similar question, Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, can you explain American football? And I

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<v Speaker 3>just said, tune in for halftime. It's a commercial written enterprise.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I say though, that the Chargers is clearly the

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<v Speaker 4>best name for a football team, the most descriptive name

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<v Speaker 4>for what that sport looks like. They got that one

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<v Speaker 4>on lock.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, goo up there with gpsy concussions.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough again, guys, I don't know football, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>know true crime stories, and this is one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>After the game, guys, friends and family attempted to contact

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<v Speaker 2>three of the men present at that home in Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 2>There were text messages sent calls, messages sent out over

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<v Speaker 2>social media, and there was no response from all three

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<v Speaker 2>of these men for three days. So remember that's January seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday night when they're watching that game. On Tuesday, January ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>the fiance of one of the missing men to matters

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<v Speaker 2>into her own hands, drove to the home. She's banging

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<v Speaker 2>on the door, nobody is answering, so she goes around

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<v Speaker 2>to the back, through the backyard and to the basement

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<v Speaker 2>and she enters that. She forcefully enters the home. After

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<v Speaker 2>looking around, she discovers the body of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>friends dead on the back porch. Now, first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>that's horrifying. We don't have a lot of information. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to that later, but I'm just going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>telling you kind of what happened in order so then

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<v Speaker 2>we can start to really pick this thing apart.

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<v Speaker 3>One question. So we say there's a fiance, and the

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<v Speaker 3>fiance checks in after three days.

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<v Speaker 2>The fiance has been attempting to make contact. It was

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<v Speaker 2>known that the vehicles of all three men were still

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<v Speaker 2>parked there at this home. I'll say that. And finally,

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<v Speaker 2>after not being able to contact anyone in that home,

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<v Speaker 2>she decides, I'm just going to break in and see

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<v Speaker 2>what I can find. Like, I'm that scared, basically, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So then she immediately contacts the police at around ten

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<v Speaker 2>pm that night on January ninth, The police arrive, they

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<v Speaker 2>search the property, and they discover in the backyard the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies of the two other missing men. So three dead bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>same house. What the heck's going on? According to police,

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<v Speaker 2>there are no obvious signs of foul play immediately near

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<v Speaker 2>or around the crime scene, so like right near the

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<v Speaker 2>bodies or right around the bodies in the mediate area.

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<v Speaker 2>They were all outside. Now this is an important part.

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<v Speaker 2>They were outside the home. Okay, that's going to factor in.

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<v Speaker 2>As of today, Wednesday, January seventeenth, the causes of death

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<v Speaker 2>for all three men has not been released to the public.

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<v Speaker 2>According to police, they are awaiting medical examiner results. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>as of today, as we're recording, there's no information. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just say right now, I called one of the

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<v Speaker 2>local CBS affiliates there to make sure there was no

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<v Speaker 2>updates that haven't been published yet, no updates, nothing else

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<v Speaker 2>is known. Now let's go back in time. Here we

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<v Speaker 2>go Friday, January twelfth. That is when police first announce

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<v Speaker 2>to the public and to local news stations that they're

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<v Speaker 2>seeking a search warrant for the home. Right, those bodies

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<v Speaker 2>were found in the backyard of the home, but that

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<v Speaker 2>is not inside the home. So it's not like there's

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<v Speaker 2>probable cause I guess to go into the home and

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<v Speaker 2>look around, right to find possible evidence of a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And if there's no at least according to the police,

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<v Speaker 2>if there's no signs of foul play, there's no reason

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, right unless new information was revealed at

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<v Speaker 2>some point between February ninth and the twelfth. Does that

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<v Speaker 2>make sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, they're also getting a ton of pressure from the

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<v Speaker 2>friends and family of these three missing men to look

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<v Speaker 2>inside that house to figure out what's going on. And

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<v Speaker 2>they also announced the names of the three men who

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<v Speaker 2>were found dead. So let's go ahead and say these names.

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<v Speaker 2>Clayton mcguiney. Mcguiney, I think is how you'd say that

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<v Speaker 2>McGee n y. He was thirty six years old. He

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<v Speaker 2>is the person who's fiance traveled to the house, broke

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<v Speaker 2>in and discovered the bodies. There's David Harrington who is

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<v Speaker 2>thirty seven years old, and Ricky Johnson who is thirty

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<v Speaker 2>eight years old, who was married and the father of

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<v Speaker 2>three children. Now here's the part in the story, Ben,

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<v Speaker 2>can we get an hwigc.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's where it gets crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>According to several sources close to this story, friends and

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<v Speaker 2>family of the deceased. They are speaking out about the

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<v Speaker 2>situation and they's some weird stuff at play. They are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>the person who is currently renting that house, who is

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<v Speaker 2>still alive, was home while the friends watched the game,

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<v Speaker 2>while Clayton's fiance broke in, and while the police arrived.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was a human being that rents that house.

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<v Speaker 2>It was home the whole time. They're also saying that

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<v Speaker 2>this person was aware that those friends and family were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to contact the men and him, and avoided all

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<v Speaker 2>of that contact for three days, again until the police arrived.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't sound good.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, No, no, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, it means this person knows exactly what happened, right,

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<v Speaker 2>This one person, at least, if there weren't other people there,

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<v Speaker 2>knows exactly what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, unless there is some sort of extenuating circumstance

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<v Speaker 3>compromising their lucidity. Right, unless they are unless they are,

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<v Speaker 3>like so many people in the Midwest, struggling with substance

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<v Speaker 3>issues or have some sort of mental condition. But the

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, Matt, the window of time there

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<v Speaker 3>is quite egregious it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's jump to some writing by Chris Spargo from

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<v Speaker 2>Inside Edition. This was published on Monday, January fifteenth, to

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<v Speaker 2>get a little more information about what's being said in

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<v Speaker 2>those circumstances we're talking about there, Ben, there are several

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<v Speaker 2>friends who are posting on Facebook publicly about this, and

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<v Speaker 2>one of those friends is Kaylee Lettier. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>a fairly long quote, but I think this is important stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to keep in mind. This is a claim.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not an official statement. This is from Kaylee quote.

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<v Speaker 2>This man was inside his home alive while my friends

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<v Speaker 2>were dead in his yard for lord knows how long

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<v Speaker 2>they were all hanging out, since after the game Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>He knew people were looking for them. He read messages

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<v Speaker 2>of people searching for him. On Tuesday, my husband banged

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<v Speaker 2>on his door for twenty minutes. My friend banged on

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<v Speaker 2>his door and then busted a window and yelled and

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<v Speaker 2>announced her presence while she's inside, and still nothing from him.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the cops come ten minutes later and he comes

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<v Speaker 2>out nonchalant in his boxers with an empty wine glass

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<v Speaker 2>in hand. Again, we don't know if we cannot confirm

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<v Speaker 2>any of that. That is a statement from one person,

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<v Speaker 2>but again it does not sound good, right right. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's one more statement that we need to get from

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<v Speaker 2>someone named Jennifer Marquez, who was the mother of one

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<v Speaker 2>of the deceased, David Harrington. She says that this person

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<v Speaker 2>who was renting the home contacted some or at least

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<v Speaker 2>told some friends and family that all three of those

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<v Speaker 2>men went outside at some point and froze to death. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know we're talking Kansas City here. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>really cold lately, right in the beginning of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went and checked the historical records for how

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<v Speaker 2>cold it was that evening on the seventh, all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to the ninth, and I would just say that

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<v Speaker 2>I found on January seventh, there was a high of

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<v Speaker 2>forty degrees fahrenheit and a low of thirty four degrees

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<v Speaker 2>fahrenheit thirty four or just two degrees above freezing. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when the police arrived on January ninth, the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>was dropping that evening and it had reached about twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>degrees fahrenheit when they arrived at the house. Precipitous, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was getting colder and colder. It wasn't snowing a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was definitely a lot of the temperatures were

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<v Speaker 2>quite quite cold, right, so it is, but there is

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<v Speaker 2>potential that those guys were outside and their temperature dropped,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, but it does. It feels highly unlikely to

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<v Speaker 2>me that that is the reason they would have frozen

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<v Speaker 2>to death.

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<v Speaker 4>Is not that the love pass exactly, No, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>but you know, if they were intoxicated enough and perhaps

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<v Speaker 4>blacked out, but for all three of them to be

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<v Speaker 4>that incapacitated, I would say something else was at play

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<v Speaker 4>other than just alcohol. If that's the case, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>to be that unaware of your you know, rapidly dropping

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<v Speaker 4>body temperature.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Again, we don't know if any substances were involved

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<v Speaker 2>with any of the people at that home that night.

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<v Speaker 2>The variation that could exist there could answer a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, sure, poison perhaps would be the badger in the bag, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the bad poisonous one, or you know, if everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is on something and even the person we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>who lived there was passed for that, Yeah, maybe he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know and then he woke up and was scared.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one possibility. Sure's an infinite number of things that

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<v Speaker 2>could have gone down. It's now basically a waiting game

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<v Speaker 2>until the police released more information.

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<v Speaker 3>No toxicology report yet, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Assume no, at least none that I have seen, none

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<v Speaker 2>that case TV five has seen, and Inside Edition isn't

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<v Speaker 2>reporting on it or any of the other local stations.

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<v Speaker 2>Just one last thing here. They have all attempted to

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<v Speaker 2>make contact with this person, all of the local affiliates,

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<v Speaker 2>and nobody has successfully spoken with him yet. It's unknown

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<v Speaker 2>if there's an attorney representing him or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>In his name has not been released by the police

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<v Speaker 2>or by any of these publications, which because he has

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<v Speaker 2>not been charged with any crime.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was going to ask, like, what is the

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<v Speaker 4>crime other than being a bad friend? Like I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>I imagine if you own property and someone dies, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>on your property. That's what insurance is for, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if people needed untimely and their own faults or through

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<v Speaker 4>perhaps tripping over something. But I mean, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 4>allowed to pass out for three days. That's not against

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<v Speaker 4>the law. I'm saying for the guy that's remained in

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<v Speaker 4>that remained indoors, unless he has found to have done

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<v Speaker 4>something that's that that involves foul play. I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>there's anything to get him for. It's not negligence. They

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<v Speaker 4>already left his company. But I don't know. I'm asking, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>that's right, that's right, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. So also another another person of interest, the POI

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<v Speaker 3>here would be the land and board, right, who.

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<v Speaker 2>Is probably yeah, depending on where they live.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's so crazy nowadays you could have somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>owns a bunch of property in one city and they

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<v Speaker 2>live all the way across the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out blackrock Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's really all the information I have. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>according to neighbors, the person who is renting that house

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<v Speaker 2>moved in about six months before now this time, so

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<v Speaker 2>again has lived there for quite a while. Those friends

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<v Speaker 2>definitely knew this person, and they all gathered together. According

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<v Speaker 2>to all friends of family, they all were aware that

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<v Speaker 2>this was a night to watch football and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just a happy hanging out with friends thing.

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<v Speaker 3>What we know is that this is an ongoing case.

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<v Speaker 3>As you outlined, Matt, there are new there are not

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<v Speaker 3>identities disclosed regarding suspects. It sounds like the city is

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<v Speaker 3>still waiting on further investigation. But we do know that

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of how things occurred. There are three children who

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<v Speaker 3>no longer have a father.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the family of Ricky Johnson, one of the deceased,

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<v Speaker 2>the man who did have children, they made a GoFundMe

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<v Speaker 2>for his funeral services. So they're looking to raise six

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars and as of us recording this, they've raised

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<v Speaker 2>around forty one hundred dollars. So, you know, if anyone

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<v Speaker 2>has the means to make a donation to that, then

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<v Speaker 2>please do. I'm sure it would help out a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's the best thing we can do right now,

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<v Speaker 2>besides just keeping a lookout and just just finding answers.

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<v Speaker 2>I am personally interested to know what the heck happened,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just it's something I want to avoid. Whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the heck happened, I don't want to do that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess just keep your ears to the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>let us know if you find anything, and yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be right back with more strange news.

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<v Speaker 4>And we have returned with another piece of strange news.

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<v Speaker 4>Been alluded to this in the opening, the idea of

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<v Speaker 4>bringing people back to life, not through necromancy, minds you,

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<v Speaker 4>not through some doc ritual. Well, I don't know. We

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<v Speaker 4>have talked about how certain prompts for AI can be

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<v Speaker 4>kind of compared to an incantation, because you got to

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<v Speaker 4>know the right words to say to feed these things

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<v Speaker 4>to make them make something that's interesting. The right prompts,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the right things to learn the machine on.

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<v Speaker 4>And today we're talking about comedy. You know, comedy the

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, and in many ways one of the

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<v Speaker 4>most human of art forms. I think. I think stand

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<v Speaker 4>up comedy in particular, at its best is sort of

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<v Speaker 4>a combination of like story telling and you know, calling

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<v Speaker 4>from one's own experience, and I think lived experience, to

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<v Speaker 4>me is what makes the best stand up comedy. There's

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<v Speaker 4>all kinds of different flavors of it, but that's the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff that usually does it for me.

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<v Speaker 3>The great orators of our time.

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<v Speaker 4>Great orators, you know, can parlay those skills into being

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<v Speaker 4>good writers as well, often great performer. The timing of

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<v Speaker 4>delivering good stand up tends to translate really well to

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<v Speaker 4>screen acting, as we know, but George Carlin is widely

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<v Speaker 4>considered to be one of the greats in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>stand up comedy. There's actually an episode Ben and I

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<v Speaker 4>did on Ridiculous History with Wayne Fetterman who teaches stand

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<v Speaker 4>up comedy or the history of stand up comedy at

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<v Speaker 4>a university in California, and we talk about the dirty words,

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<v Speaker 4>George Carlin's dirty words. He does a whole bit on him.

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<v Speaker 4>These are the words you can't say on TV or

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<v Speaker 4>the radio. The guy's a legend, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's also deceased. And one thing that comes into

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<v Speaker 4>play when dealing with legends, you know, the public and

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<v Speaker 4>people who are passionate about art and whatever the person represented,

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<v Speaker 4>they've got a stake in this kind of stuff. And

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<v Speaker 4>like we saw with the Tupac hologram, you know at

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<v Speaker 4>Coachella Lough those many years ago, sometimes these things can

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<v Speaker 4>rub people the wrong way, and for a good reason.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what we're talking about today. A podcast that Matt,

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<v Speaker 4>you might be able to give a little more background

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<v Speaker 4>on it. I'm not I haven't listened to it, but

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<v Speaker 4>it is called dude z uh and it is the

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<v Speaker 4>inevitable integration of podcast T and AI and it's a

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<v Speaker 4>comedy podcast where an AI called dudez essentially, I guess

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<v Speaker 4>creates the topics for every episode or I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Matt can explain a little bit more about how the

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<v Speaker 4>AI is part of the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I've only I've not watched entire episodes of Dudez.

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<v Speaker 2>I have seen it on social media clips quite often,

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<v Speaker 2>which I find to be hilarious most of the time

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<v Speaker 2>when it's it's these two hosts sometimes just doing impressions

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<v Speaker 2>that are so spot on it's insane. It just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as a talk podcast. Then other times they are reac

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<v Speaker 2>acting to creations of this AI but that I believe

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<v Speaker 2>is also called Dudzi. Yeah, and the stuff I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>is just unhinged.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like one of them is will Sasso, who is

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<v Speaker 4>famous from being on Matt I would you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>would say, is it's a very good uh comedian. It's

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<v Speaker 4>funny and also a really good impressionist, which is an

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<v Speaker 4>easy thing to do.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the Tom Hanks clips. Yes, those are I

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<v Speaker 3>think those are the ones that attained prominence because it

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<v Speaker 3>is clearly AI uh some arcade agglomeration, something like mid Journey,

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<v Speaker 3>something like chat GPT with some voice ripping uh. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's a since I already use the word ripping, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a ripping good.

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<v Speaker 4>Time, you know, wizard for one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's one turns into a bus. It's it works

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<v Speaker 3>really well as a what if trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're like teaser trailers for those new you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a movie and they're amazing. Anyway, that's at least my

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge coming in to this discussion.

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<v Speaker 4>And those are clearly meant to be completely absurd, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like these movies that don't exist, that everyone

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<v Speaker 4>knows don't exist, and you know, one could argue that

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<v Speaker 4>their experiment with what they've done with the story it's

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<v Speaker 4>about that's making people upset. Making a new hour of

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<v Speaker 4>stand up from a deceased legendary comedian. One could argue

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<v Speaker 4>that there is some comedic merit in that, and then

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<v Speaker 4>it is sort of taking the piss out of AI

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<v Speaker 4>and sort of deflating it a little bit. But that

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<v Speaker 4>requires you having a little bit of control over the

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<v Speaker 4>spin and the way these things are perceived, and oftentimes

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<v Speaker 4>with reporting, people are going for grabby headlines and you

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<v Speaker 4>know stuff like you know, hack podcasters resurrect legendary comedian

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<v Speaker 4>through AI sort of like that Beatles song where they

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<v Speaker 4>took you know, John Lennon's vocal from a the demo

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<v Speaker 4>tape and then sort of like enhanced it and allowed

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<v Speaker 4>them to make a new song.

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<v Speaker 3>With it.

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<v Speaker 4>People were really upset about that before they even heard

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<v Speaker 4>the song, and then they heard the song and we're

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of irritated that it sucked. But it was

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<v Speaker 4>the ais fault. This wasn't a very good song. So

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<v Speaker 4>with this, it's an hour of new stand up. And

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think any of us have heard it, So

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<v Speaker 4>why don't we hear a little clip of it? Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben sird it, Matt and I haven't heard it. Why

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<v Speaker 4>don't we hear a little clip of it and we

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<v Speaker 4>can all kind of react to in real time before

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<v Speaker 4>we bring down our hammered fists of judgment or not.

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<v Speaker 4>And by the way, it is called very pointedly George Carlin,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad I'm Dead twenty twenty four full special, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know it's labeled, you know, like a special from

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<v Speaker 4>George Carlin, just putting that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I like to start off with a heartfelt apology. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sorry it took me so long to come out with

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<v Speaker 5>new material, but I do have a pretty good excuse.

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<v Speaker 5>I was dead, so technically it was my fault. If

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<v Speaker 5>you want to blame somebody, you're gonna have to blame God,

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<v Speaker 5>which we all know is not gonna happen. People are

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<v Speaker 5>always thanking God for the good stuff in their lives,

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<v Speaker 5>but somehow they conveniently forget that it's the same God

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<v Speaker 5>who does all the badge too, and he does a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of badge shit. You get a promotion, praise Jesus,

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<v Speaker 5>you get fired.

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<v Speaker 4>God is testing me.

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<v Speaker 5>You meet your soulmate. God brought us together. Your soulmate

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<v Speaker 5>dumps you. God is bringing me someone else. You survive

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<v Speaker 5>a tornado. I'm so blessed. Twenty other people do not.

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<v Speaker 5>God wanted them in heaven. It's all bullshit.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So looking at each of the three of us,

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<v Speaker 4>I think there's a little bit of active cringe going on. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's really kind of the point, do I do get that?

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<v Speaker 2>But go ahead, Matt, Well, it's just an odd it's

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<v Speaker 2>an odd sensation to almost feel like you're hearing George

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<v Speaker 2>Carlin write jokes that you can tell feel like written jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just they don't they don't have the I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, soul. They don't have the thing behind them.

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<v Speaker 3>He was also, in my opinion, and this is just

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<v Speaker 3>one entity talking is also a great orator, philosopher, and

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<v Speaker 3>truth teller who would have absolutely objected to this the

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<v Speaker 3>God jokes technically structurally though it makes sense, No, they

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<v Speaker 3>don't make sense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Remember there was that other AI thing that was like

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<v Speaker 4>Seinfeld twenty four hour repeat or whatever, and it was

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<v Speaker 4>sort of a non sequiturs. But even that was the

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<v Speaker 4>thing about stuff like that is the Seinfeld thing. It

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<v Speaker 4>leaned into the absurdity of it. The whole point of

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<v Speaker 4>it was that it wasn't good. This one is just

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<v Speaker 4>close enough to a kind of cheap facsimile of the

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<v Speaker 4>real thing that it feels gross. And obviously the joke

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<v Speaker 4>of the whole thing is haha, I'm dead, you know. Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 4>that's really not funny objectively. But I bet you that

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<v Speaker 4>if I or any of the three of us were

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<v Speaker 4>like real students of Carlin and like had done deep

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<v Speaker 4>dives into all of his more than I believe a

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<v Speaker 4>dozen stand up specials, we'd hear snatches of what created

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<v Speaker 4>the jokes in this AI. We'd hear like the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the bones of them, I think, you know. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's how I or machine learning works. It isn't

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<v Speaker 4>creating things out of whole cloth. It's sort of remixing

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<v Speaker 4>things that already exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can hear it attempting to match his timings, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not again, it's not quite there because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a person reacting in real time to an

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<v Speaker 2>audience the way his specials were.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like someone doing an impression of Carlin as

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<v Speaker 3>a voice actor, with jokes that he would have not

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<v Speaker 3>written because he would have done a better job, to

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<v Speaker 3>be honest. But also it reminds me, what's that old

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<v Speaker 3>Mitch Hedberg joke about he's on a movie set and

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<v Speaker 3>so he smoked fake weed with Willie Nelson and he

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<v Speaker 3>said that was a lot like the time I smoked

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<v Speaker 3>real weed with a guy who looked like Willy Nelson.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like there's a it's an erosion of the

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<v Speaker 3>post truth environment, and I've got to be honest, Noel, Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's making me rethink the joke we made on

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram about AI coming for everyone.

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<v Speaker 4>Well yeah, no, yeah, for sure. And I think again,

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<v Speaker 4>what these guys got wrong in this presentation was a

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<v Speaker 4>messing with the legendary comedian. But that's and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that there are diehards that are going to come

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<v Speaker 4>for you. But maybe that's the point, you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>idea of killing your darlings or killing your idols or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>that there's there's no nothing's off limits in comedy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And it does seem again, those those Tom Hanks Wizard

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<v Speaker 4>videos are really funny, but no one would ever even

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<v Speaker 4>come close to mistaking those anything Tom Hanks actually participated in.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some other YouTubers and podcasts, YouTubers I guess more

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<v Speaker 4>specifically that use deep fakes to like put on the

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<v Speaker 4>face of a celebrity while they're doing the celebrities voice,

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's this one guy that does Gary Busey all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and I think those are really funny and

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<v Speaker 4>use use of that technology. But also it's really clear

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<v Speaker 4>what you're looking at if you pay any attention. This

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<v Speaker 4>one and almost has the potential to like hurt some feelings, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, And so hold on, we didn't play the part

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<v Speaker 2>at the very beginning, as Jerry, it's a statement that

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<v Speaker 2>this is not George Carlin. This is dudeesy I am

0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 2>this is an AI I am not. I am not

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<v Speaker 2>George Carlin. So like for me, people who are like

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<v Speaker 2>really upset about this, they're like outraged and hurt outside

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<v Speaker 2>of maybe the actual family of George Carlin. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like that's performative because this is I have I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say that I feel it feels like I'm outraged

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't even actually look into this thing deep enough,

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<v Speaker 2>right the guy here.

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to the whole special. You're right that that

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<v Speaker 3>disclaimer is explicit. It is quite clear, and it's at

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<v Speaker 3>the front of the special. However, counterpoint, we can make

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<v Speaker 3>the argument that many people who are hearing this are

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<v Speaker 3>going to be hearing clips of it rather than the

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<v Speaker 3>entirety of the thing, and those clips do not have

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of disclaimer. Now, as the idea of performative

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<v Speaker 3>upset goes, I totally get you on that. I think

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<v Speaker 3>you hit a really important point, which is that the

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<v Speaker 3>family is saying, why are you Why are you resurrecting

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<v Speaker 3>this guy and making a buck off of it? By

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<v Speaker 3>the way it is, it is monetized.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point. That's actually a very valid point.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I was going to bring up. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think mainly I'm thinking about the family here. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>really that concerned with Internet, you know, outrage mongers. But

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<v Speaker 4>Kelly Carlin, the daughter of the late comedian, had this

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<v Speaker 4>to say my statement regarding the AI generated George Carlin special.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad spent a lifetime perfecting his craft from his

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<v Speaker 4>very human life, brain and imagination. No machine will ever

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:19.200
<v Speaker 4>replace his genius. These AI generated products are clever attempts,

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.879
<v Speaker 4>she acknowledges. They're clever at trying to recreate a mind

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 4>that will never exist. Again, Let's let the artists work

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<v Speaker 4>speak for itself. Humans are so afraid of the void

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 4>that we can't let what has fallen into it stay there.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's an idea. How about we give some actual living

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:37.199
<v Speaker 4>human comedians I listen to, but if you want to

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<v Speaker 4>listen to the genuine George Carlin, he has fourteen specials

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 4>that you can find anywhere, and.

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<v Speaker 3>They're pretty good, by the way, folks, Sure, yeah, they're

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 3>all pretty great.

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 4>He's one of the greats. And I think Kelly Carlin

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<v Speaker 4>really nailed it. And I do want to again not

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 4>completely throw the DUDESI folks under the bus. In the

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 4>Vice article that talks about this, Matthew Galt, who starts

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<v Speaker 4>the article by talking saying how he's a diehard George

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<v Speaker 4>Carlin fan and he found this egregiously not anything goes

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<v Speaker 4>so far as to say it was offensive. But he really

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<v Speaker 4>just said he said it cannot be unseen and he

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<v Speaker 4>just found it to be worse than you could possibly imagine,

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:17.360
<v Speaker 4>is what he said. But again to your point from

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<v Speaker 4>the story, maybe you said that's off air, Matt, but

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 4>some of these things are meant to be bad. It

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 4>is the comedy of cringe, you know, that's a culture

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.040
<v Speaker 4>that we that definitely exists in, like alternative comedy. But

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Will Sasso, who we talked about and all I think

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<v Speaker 4>three of us have been fans of his stuff in

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<v Speaker 4>the past, had this to say on the actual podcast

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 4>where they talked about this before they did it as clips.

0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 4>I guess, and that's the format of the show, and

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 4>then they published the whole thing. But he said beat

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<v Speaker 4>me here, I guess, So let's just say it beat myself.

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<v Speaker 4>I personally don't want to hear a freaking song I'm

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 4>gonna swear like my kid does, freaking Nirvana song that's

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 4>not written by Kurt Cobain and played by freaking Nirvana.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't give a shoot. I don't give a shoot.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not real. It doesn't matter. Anyone can do an

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.080
<v Speaker 4>impression z is doing an impression. I don't think a

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 4>new comic has anything to worry about because we need

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 4>new voices. And that's essentially what Kelly Carlin said as well,

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 4>So that disclaimer is in there too. So I guess

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is a lot of outrage over nothing.

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 4>I just think they may be miscuted a little bit,

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<v Speaker 4>not really anticipating the reaction. But Mike, my question is

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<v Speaker 4>to you guys, is there anything off limits? Like where

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<v Speaker 4>does the line between satire and ripoff exist with this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of technology? And is it I don't know when

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<v Speaker 4>is it okay? When is it not okay? What are

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<v Speaker 4>the guidelines? What are the where are the guideposts?

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 3>The guideline for good satire. Satire when it works, comes

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 3>from a place of respect, acknowledgment, and love. That's why

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 3>good satire works. That's why really really successful Saturday Night

0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 3>live impressions that carry, that's why they often do well.

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you see, for instance, if you see

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<v Speaker 3>the parody of Wes Anderson film as a horror movie,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 3>it's coming from people clearly studied. They love Wes Anderson

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 3>and with Doodzi, you know, there's two storied comedians here,

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 3>students of their craft. They clearly, like anybody worth their salt,

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<v Speaker 3>as tremendous. They have tremendous respect for George Carlin. The

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<v Speaker 3>idea of whether or not something should be off limits,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 3>it can be phrased as a complex question, but a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of that complex, like again to use the word

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 3>performative nuance around it, like, oh, it was a complicated issue.

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 3>What it's dodging is the idea of consent. Right. What

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 3>is off limits that to which one does not consent

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 3>being who is being paid homage here, paid tribute or

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 3>impersonated or mechanical turk here, it is a dead person

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 3>who cannot consent.

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:06.440
<v Speaker 4>States And they were not consulted to just just put

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<v Speaker 4>that out there. I think that might have been part

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<v Speaker 4>of the outrage. On that end, they probably wouldn't have

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 4>given permission. I just want to add one last thing, like, well,

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 4>weird al you know famously, Well he doesn't have to

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 4>get permission because of parody laws. He always does because

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 4>I think it's just the smart move pr wise. You

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<v Speaker 4>know so, I think famously Prince would never consent to

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 4>allowing him to do a parody of a print song,

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 4>which is pretty on brand for Prince yeah, but he

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<v Speaker 4>could have done it because the law allows him to

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<v Speaker 4>do that as far as I'm aware.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's also making records for Sony right, which is no,

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>it's no small deal there. So, like I imagine, Yankevick

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>wants to dot his eyes and cross his t's if guys,

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't it feel like if you want to get like

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<v Speaker 2>maximum promotion for something, maximum people talking about it, do

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>something shocking because people get so angry they just have

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>to post about it and give their opinion. That's a

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>exactly what this.

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Is very good for, Duzzy excellent point.

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<v Speaker 4>Then, yeah, I mean, honestly, I was hearing about all

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 4>the crazy stuff that Elon Musk is up to. And

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 4>while it does sound like that guy's mega spiraling and

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 4>probably on drugs of varying varieties, you know, you got

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 4>to wonder when someone has that much, that many resources

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.479
<v Speaker 4>at their disposal and there really is no quote unquote losing,

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 4>isn't the name of the game just to be as

0:33:24.920 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 4>infuriating as possible, just so you don't get bumped from

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 4>the headlines. I think some of what he's doing is that,

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 4>and it's calculating. I think some of the other stuff

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 4>that he's doing, isn't that? But you know we see

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 4>it all the time. There's no bad press quote unquote.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 4>If if you don't care, the crazy thing is.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how many people heard about this story and

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't actually listen to the episode or watch the episode

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 2>of the podcast. So they watched a clip right or

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>they write a headline like it. But they know what

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 2>Dudzy is now and they didn't know what Dudez was

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a little before.

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<v Speaker 4>Hell Devil's Advocate. They know who George Carr Roland is now.

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Man.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean a lot of kids, you know who are

0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 4>following this kind of stuff probably not aware of the

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 4>work of George Carlin. You know, there's a cutoff for

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 4>like the types of entertainers that my kid and their

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 4>generation are aware of. You know, when music, the knowledge

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 4>goes pretty far back, but when it comes to like actors,

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 4>certain comedians, there would be a massive blind spot in

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 4>that generation for a guy like George Carlin. So you know,

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.200
<v Speaker 4>you could argue that this is exposing people to George

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Carlin's work as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't know this about the show. The creators

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 2>of The Dudzy Show have not revealed what company is

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.800
<v Speaker 2>backing the show and the dudezy AI.

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 3>That's correct.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 2>That's a wrinkle to me, a.

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:49.720
<v Speaker 4>Little weird, like is it proprietary? Is it in service

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 4>to some you know what I mean? Like is it

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 4>training an AI for a company?

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 4>I think that's very very, very interesting and valliding to

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 4>bring up. And I wonder how long they're going to

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.399
<v Speaker 4>milk that. I would argue that the story might cause

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 4>them to do a little damage control. I'll be interested

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 4>to see if maybe a reveal does come after the

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 4>backlash from this. But they definitely did what they set

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 4>out to do, which is to get some new listeners,

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.440
<v Speaker 4>even if they're just hey listeners. But let's take a

0:35:15.520 --> 0:35:18.279
<v Speaker 4>quick break. We'll hear a word from our sponsor, which

0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 4>is probably not an AI chat butt, and we'll be

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<v Speaker 4>back with one more piece of strange news.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of only reading the headlines, Boby, the world's oldest dog,

0:35:34.920 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 3>is being investigated for fraud. I sent this in a

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 3>group chat earlier because I love a good headline. Bobi

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 3>is being investigated, you know, obviously for claims about his age,

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 3>But in my head, guys, I love picturing the world's

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 3>oldest dog. Somehow, being like the subject of an investigation

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 3>for some street level crowd, like he's selling loose cigarettes

0:36:02.760 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 3>or he started MLM somewhere. Anyway, we've got we've got

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 3>a lot of headlines. We wanted to We wanted to

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 3>talk about something that we may have mentioned in years past,

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 3>which is now reaching a culminating point and hopefully bringing

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 3>justice to a great number of victims. Uh. You guys

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.600
<v Speaker 3>remember Abercrombie and Fitch. You ever went into one of

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 3>those stores?

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:28.799
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 4>Who wear Abercrombie and Fitch in the summer.

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 2>I bought my son and jacket from there not long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope everything's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Are those the pants that are like pre distressed? Wasn't

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 4>that their thing? Don't they do that? Or is that

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 4>American ego? I think it's maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's every GA company.

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a lot of money. You save a lot of

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 3>money selling them pre distressed, right, because you can lower

0:36:49.680 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 3>your QA standards, your quality assurance, and then you can

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 3>sell for a higher markup. And shout out to codename

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<v Speaker 3>Doc Holliday for also mentioning that song you ellude to.

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<v Speaker 3>This is quite a pickle. This is a real bag

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 3>of badgers. There is a former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch,

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 3>which I don't know about you all. I always sort

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:17.280
<v Speaker 3>of associated it with the I would say, light jock,

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:19.600
<v Speaker 3>light sporting demographic.

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 4>It's a bro brand.

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<v Speaker 3>The former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch, Mike Jeffries, is

0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 3>facing a couple of different lawsuits now thanks to some

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:36.479
<v Speaker 3>excellent investigative work by our friends across the pond at

0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 3>the BBC. What I'd like to do is walk through

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:43.240
<v Speaker 3>the story. For anybody wants more information on this, please

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 3>do check out the World of Secrets podcast Season one.

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 3>The Abercrombie guys and as you know, fellow conspiracy realists,

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 3>we don't blow smoke when we recommend podcasts that we

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 3>think you would enjoy. This is not in any way

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 3>an ad for the work of these journalists. This is

0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 3>not even something that is in our corporate overlord network.

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 3>This is just good work and it matters, so it's

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 3>worth checking out. Here's what happened. So the BBC does

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 3>an investigation into longstanding allegations of things like sexual abuse,

0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 3>sexual discrimination, even unto sex trafficking. This triggered the FBI

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>FBI agents specifically specializing in sex crimes and federal prosecutors

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 3>from the Eastern District of New York to look into

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 3>the allegations right now, Mike Jefferies and his partner is

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 3>a British national, are also facing a civil lawsuit. This

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:02.800
<v Speaker 3>is much deeper water the allegations. Oh and the British

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:05.880
<v Speaker 3>partner here is Matthew Smith. So let's go to the

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:12.760
<v Speaker 3>BBC directly. Rihanna Croxford writes the following FBI investigate after

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 3>ex Abercrombie boss sex claims. So Jeffries and Smith Matthew

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<v Speaker 3>Smith are accused of exploiting young men for sexual activities

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<v Speaker 3>at events they hosted in their New York residencies. They

0:39:31.760 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 3>have multiple residencies in New York and then across the

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:40.320
<v Speaker 3>world at very high end hotels. No less than eight

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 3>men as of January twenty twenty four have told the

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 3>British broadcasters that they went to these events they were

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 3>coerced into sexual activity. This occurred in places like London, Paris,

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:59.279
<v Speaker 3>Marrakesh for more than a decade from two thousand and

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 3>nine to twenty f fifteen. That's why I know that

0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 3>we touched on this, or at least talked about it

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 3>off air in the past. Over the course of our

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 3>careers on the show, and what the BBC found includes

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:19.760
<v Speaker 3>stuff like event itineraries, flight tickets, a very a very

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 3>strange kind of middleman. I'd like to share with you

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 3>guys an image of someone involved in this trafficking scheme.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready? Oh yeah, okay, So I'm going to

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:34.240
<v Speaker 3>share this. I want you guys to react to this

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 3>this and we'll tell you who it is. After you

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 3>see this picture. There we go, well, it's the guy,

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 3>not the dog.

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.720
<v Speaker 4>The guy dog. What's going on with that guy's nose?

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 3>So he is missing his news?

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 4>He has is as hard a time with the picture

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:53.919
<v Speaker 4>because it looks like a blur. It's weird. I wasn't

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 4>being able.

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's do anything right, right right? He has a he

0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 3>has a what look to be a snake skin prosthetic

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 3>over his nose. I'm just saying, this almost looks like

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 3>central casting for a villain.

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.400
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it does. I was thinking of And initially he

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:15.359
<v Speaker 4>looks kind of like Tommy why So from the room.

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 4>He just has this guy He's got a big lustrous

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 4>head of hair and the sunglasses and I don't know,

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 4>he just had that Tommy why So vibe.

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 3>So that middle man is named James Jacobson. The investigators

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.680
<v Speaker 3>at the BBC or the journalist tracked him down. He

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 3>denied any wrongdoing and he said, look, certain adult activities

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 3>may have occurred, but all of the people involved went

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 3>to those events with quote their eyes wide open. And

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 3>he also, I don't know his testimony or his statements.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 3>It's a little bit muddied right now because when the

0:41:55.360 --> 0:42:00.759
<v Speaker 3>BBC went and contacted this guy, like knocked on his

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 3>door directly, he told them at the beginning, if you

0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 3>keep me anonymous, let's make a deal and I'll tell

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 3>you everything. And the BBC said, no, we have to

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 3>tell the actual story. So good on you, folks. I

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 3>will pause here. I've got to ask. We've all heard

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 3>of Abercrombie and Fitch here in the US, but do

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 3>you guys remember these allegations or does this ring in

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 3>a distant bell?

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was. This hit the news a couple of

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>months ago. It just because, as you said, Ben, this

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:41.279
<v Speaker 2>has been ongoing like for a while where information has

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>been coming out in little fits and starts. But it

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 2>does feel like this is at least this is the

0:42:47.040 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 2>most information we've ever seen in one place. Right, I'll

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 2>tell you.

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.240
<v Speaker 4>One thing that always struck me a little odd about

0:42:54.280 --> 0:43:03.320
<v Speaker 4>Abercrombie were their ad campaigns that often involved very young, hairless,

0:43:03.719 --> 0:43:08.360
<v Speaker 4>scantily clad boys. That is, it's always something that struck

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 4>me about that. I just it was a little different.

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 4>And I know that, you know, the homore eroticism and

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 4>things like that have always been big in fashion, like

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:20.040
<v Speaker 4>Calvin Klein and you know, briefs and you know, all

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:23.880
<v Speaker 4>that stuff, and it's totally a thing, you know, but

0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 4>Abercrombie's always kind of had a little more of that

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:30.319
<v Speaker 4>than some brands, that know, as you seeing. And I

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 4>wonder if that was a culture, you know, or if

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 4>some of these abuses involved models or anything like that

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 4>as well.

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Think back to twenty eleven, twenty twelve, when the news

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 3>about the very strange corporate guide to the private flights

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.640
<v Speaker 3>broke like that, gosh, I don't remember any of this, Yeah,

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.919
<v Speaker 3>that was Let me put a link in the chat here.

0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 3>Here's something from huffingting Post what we see here. What

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:01.880
<v Speaker 3>we see here is that the under the auspice or

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 3>under the guidance of Mike Jeffries, the corporate jet became

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 3>sort of a playground for this sort of exploitation and

0:44:13.840 --> 0:44:20.879
<v Speaker 3>the rules about dress behavior nomenclature. They were very specific.

0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 3>They were also skirting the line of what would be

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 3>considered legally required from an employer toward an employee, like

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 3>they were just on the side of criminal.

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Basically, Oh, you want to be an abercrombian Fitch model,

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 2>then guess what. Here's here's the rules, as you said,

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:45.719
<v Speaker 2>the rule book, and it's not it's probably not going

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 2>to be that fun for you.

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 4>It's under Yeah, there's a weird line in here about

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 4>the flight attendance and making them respond to names that

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.400
<v Speaker 4>weren't their own, very kind of domb kind of behavior.

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 4>It would and you know, much like I think we're

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.160
<v Speaker 4>all a little weirded out by the Chick fil A

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 4>my pleasure response. I think it rubs everybody the wrong

0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 4>way a little bit. This one has them saying things

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 4>like no problem, like you know, very short, what's the word,

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of affirmative kind of sub you know, like I

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:24.720
<v Speaker 4>am here to serve. So that's yeah, but it's weird

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:25.520
<v Speaker 4>in this context.

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad you mentioned the Chick fil A thing,

0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.439
<v Speaker 3>because I've brought that up on the past as well.

0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 3>It's a weird flex. That Huffington Post article we mentioned

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 3>is by Alice Hines October eighteenth, twenty twelve, so this

0:45:39.160 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 3>story dates back much much further than the reporting that's

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 3>happening now. I'd like to, if it's okay, shout out

0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 3>another great piece of journalism by Gloria Oledipo over at

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 3>The Guardian. This includes some some sobering quotes, and again

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 3>this may not be appropriate for all audiences. I'll read it.

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Let's react. Quote. One man told the BBC that he

0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 3>believed his drink had been spiked at an event after

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 3>Jeffries attempted to kiss him during a dance performance. The

0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 3>man said that he fell asleep in a back room

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 3>and woke up to find a condom inside of him.

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 3>This is a quote. When I put things together, I

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 3>believe there is a very good possibility I was drugged

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 3>and raped. I'll probably never never know for sure the

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.720
<v Speaker 3>answer to what happened. Most of the men who spoke

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 3>to the BBC said they felt degraded and harmed because

0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 3>of their experience with Jeffreys and Smith. There was a

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 3>former model named Barrett Paul talking to the BBC. One

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 3>of the last quotes will give who says the following.

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 3>My feeling of being in that room was an animal.

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I was not a human to any of these people.

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 3>I was a body. I was being presented someone to

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 3>do what they wanted with.

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I want to just walk not walk back,

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:09.640
<v Speaker 4>but just clarify that when I was talking about how

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.359
<v Speaker 4>some of these ad campaigns struck me in a certain way.

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.520
<v Speaker 4>You know, there was a time when when we were younger,

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 4>I guess, or even in the two thousands, where kind

0:47:18.040 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 4>of queer culture wasn't front and center as much as

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 4>it is today. And then I think it's it's wonderful

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 4>that it is, and there's much more of a voice

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:31.360
<v Speaker 4>for that culture in public conversation and pop culture and

0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 4>all of that. But there was a time where it

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:35.279
<v Speaker 4>was sort of like less mainstream and much more underground,

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 4>and this kind of fashiony queer coding kind of stuff

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 4>didn't seem to me to be a positive thing necessarily

0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:46.319
<v Speaker 4>for the queer community. It was more of like a

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 4>subjugation of that and sort of using it as like

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 4>a fashion brand, iconic kind of thing for a campaign.

0:47:53.000 --> 0:47:56.879
<v Speaker 3>Well. Also, Abercrombie has been accused in the past of

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:03.719
<v Speaker 3>some pretty discriminatory and racist practices right this, Yeah, it's

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 3>a company that has had problems. I was looking in

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 3>deep to establish a timeline. I feel like there could

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 3>be a full episode here because folks need to know

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 3>stuff we could get into in a deeper dive, concerns

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:24.399
<v Speaker 3>things like the Lex Wesner connection, which there is one,

0:48:24.600 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 3>by the way, troubling stuff. It could also involve questions

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 3>of why there was not more investigation earlier, because you guys,

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 3>Jeffries ran Abercrombie Fitch from nineteen ninety two to twenty fourteen,

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:50.840
<v Speaker 3>So during that entirety of the time, these weird rules

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 3>on plane flights, the weird discrimination, the sexual quid pro

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 3>quo stuff that was happening the entire time. And right

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:04.560
<v Speaker 3>now it's twenty twenty four, a decade later, and nothing

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 3>has been done. And it makes you think there are

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of similarities with some Epstein stuff here.

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 4>I remember this guy now that I'm looking at photos

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 4>of him, he looks perma surprised. Let's put it that way.

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.239
<v Speaker 4>No shade on anyone that gets procedures done with this

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 4>guy's head had quite a few and yeah, he's definitely

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:28.319
<v Speaker 4>going for that. Like I'm youthful until I'm dead in

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:30.520
<v Speaker 4>the ground kind of fountain of youth vibe, and that

0:49:30.560 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 4>can really do a number on people's Brenton psyche and

0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 4>they really live that life. You know, we know this

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:41.640
<v Speaker 4>from hell, from all kinds of stories in history and

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 4>in you know, fantasy and fiction. Yeah.

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.439
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to. I never want to body shame

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 3>anybody for their appearance or how they present. But judging

0:49:53.080 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 3>on the behavior alone, the actions here, this is something

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.120
<v Speaker 3>that feels like stuff they don't want you to to

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 3>know a long time in coming, and it makes me wonder.

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, we have to be really careful not to

0:50:06.280 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 3>paint with two broad a brush and connect patterns or

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.879
<v Speaker 3>recognized patterns where none exist. But the Wexner connection seems real.

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 3>This also reminds me of you know, I think that

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:23.080
<v Speaker 3>was an excellent point about the dirty business of modeling

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 3>as an industry wherein that sort of abuse is simply tolerated.

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 3>It also makes me again, I just keep coming back

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 3>to it. You guys, why were there no investigations? You know,

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 3>it's like the It's like the Brian Singer question, remember

0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Brian Singer x men.

0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.719
<v Speaker 4>Totally Yeah, I mean, powerful people can pull strings make

0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:46.440
<v Speaker 4>things go away.

0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:48.720
<v Speaker 2>What did Singer do? I don't remember.

0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.959
<v Speaker 4>He had these Hollywood Hills parties with, you know, taking

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 4>advantage of young starry eyed kids coming to Hollywood to

0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 4>make a name for themselves. And there's a specific kid

0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:03.760
<v Speaker 4>that spoke, you know, testified to some really gnarly stuff

0:51:04.120 --> 0:51:07.360
<v Speaker 4>alleged never alleged, yes, correct, but what he spoke to,

0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:11.440
<v Speaker 4>if true, very gnarly. And you know Singer kind of

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 4>he sort of bounced back from that, but never really

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 4>Like often happens, you know, you take a hit, you disappear,

0:51:19.160 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 4>you're not really dealing with major consequences, but you kind

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 4>of don't get to keep being the person you used

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 4>to be. There is that, you know, I don't know.

0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Sure from far enough away, maybe that looks like a consequence.

0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 4>Now you're right, Ben right?

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean I feel you on this too. You know.

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.399
<v Speaker 3>For anybody who is looking into this at home, after

0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:40.520
<v Speaker 3>you get done with the BBC stuff, do check out

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 3>the Wexner Jeffreys connection, and do also check out the

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:50.520
<v Speaker 3>stories about Brian Singer and Kevin Spacey. This is true stuff.

0:51:50.560 --> 0:51:52.720
<v Speaker 3>They don't want you to know. If you are hearing

0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 3>this and you have been affected by these sorts of

0:51:55.280 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 3>unclean activities, then there are resources available counseling, therapy and

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.120
<v Speaker 3>hopefully closure and justice.

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh really quickly. It's not exactly an upnoe. It might

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 4>break your heart, Matt. You've probably heard about this, but

0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:10.719
<v Speaker 4>I meant to mention it at the end of the

0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Carlon bit. But apparently Wizards of the Coast have sheepishly

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 4>admitted to using AI in the design of their Magic

0:52:18.520 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Cards series. And they initially denied it, And it's apparently

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.560
<v Speaker 4>in a background image of something in their new series.

0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 4>It's something about like a like a lovecrafty and manner

0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 4>kind of situation. I remember what it's called.

0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Wait, but wasn't it Okay, Well, what I had seen

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<v Speaker 2>is that they had made a promotional image. That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it was a card. You're right, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>under saying the case, keep me honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because just because Wizards has been so amazing at

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<v Speaker 2>supporting incredible artists, right, So it would break my heart

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<v Speaker 2>if they actually did that. But I can yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine a promo image utilizing it for that, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not wanting to admit it. But they did admit it.

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<v Speaker 2>They did it.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of supporting folks, so I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>we get this on air. The resources we're mentioning are

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<v Speaker 3>things like the National Sexual Assault Hotline. Here in the

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<v Speaker 3>US it is eight hundred six five six four six

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<v Speaker 3>seven to three. There are so many other stories we

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get to. Eighty two percent of Americans can't afford

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<v Speaker 3>a new car. There is a Kentucky politician who is

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<v Speaker 3>going to fail, I think, to try to legalize getting

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<v Speaker 3>frisky with your cousin. The Paris Review has a fantastic

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<v Speaker 3>article out now about a creative writing group based in

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<v Speaker 3>the CIA with CIA operatives. It's called Invisible Ink. All

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<v Speaker 3>this and more.

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<v Speaker 2>That was so good. By the way, did you read

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<v Speaker 2>that article? I did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>But did you say getting risky or frisky with your risky.

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<v Speaker 3>Visit the long term? Genetically, it's risky activity. Shout out,

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<v Speaker 3>hat shout out. So we can't wait to hear from you,

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<v Speaker 3>folks in future episodes. We hope you are having wonderful

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty four. We'll be back later this week with

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<v Speaker 3>messages from you, with some deep dives into some strange

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<v Speaker 3>stuff they don't want you to know. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 3>join us. We can't wait to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. You can find us all over the internet.

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<v Speaker 4>We exist the handle conspiracy Stuff on YouTube, x FKA, Twitter,

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<v Speaker 4>and also Facebook where we have our Facebook group. Here's

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<v Speaker 4>where it gets crazy, where Ben, I think somebody posted

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<v Speaker 4>on that group a piece of comic book art fan fiction.

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<v Speaker 4>I get maybe it wasn't full fan fiction, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was definitely a page or so out of a comic

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<v Speaker 4>project that featured you and Matt and I as like

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a D and D party of some sort

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<v Speaker 4>on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I said it to you guys in a group chat.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna shout. We're gonna shout out our fellow conspiracy

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<v Speaker 3>realist on listener mail. We love that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Though in the story we are halflings who help investigate

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<v Speaker 3>a case of poisoning slash murder?

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<v Speaker 2>Are there more panels in now? Was trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what was going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Yet? I believe they are.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I can't wait to read the rist And we

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<v Speaker 4>also exist the handle conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram and TikTok.

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