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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noela.
Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as olders with our
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Speaker 3: want you to know. As you're listening, we are reaching
Speaker 3: the end of January in twenty twenty four, coming off
Speaker 3: a long weekend here in the United States, where every
Speaker 3: company worth being a company does acknowledge, commemorate, and celebrate
Speaker 3: Martin Luther King Day. Over the long weekend, a lot
Speaker 3: of very bizarre things happened. A stand up comic was
Speaker 3: brought back from the dead, the FBI is true story
Speaker 3: investigating some decades worth of villainous actions by a fashion maven.
Speaker 3: And something tragic and mysterious happened in Kansas City.
Speaker 4: Finally, well really not in the tragic part, but just
Speaker 4: something happening in Kansas City. I'm kidding. Kansas City is
Speaker 4: a great town. I would like to go.
Speaker 2: Well, this is something mysterious that occurred in tragic. On Sunday,
Speaker 2: January seventh, several friends gathered at a home within the
Speaker 2: Coves Subdivision in the northwest suburbs of Kansas City, Missouri,
Speaker 2: to watch their home team, the Chiefs, play the Los
Speaker 2: Angeles Chargers. The game was watched by four or more people,
Speaker 2: we know that for sure, or more. That's important here
Speaker 2: and the game that they watched was played at Sofi
Speaker 2: Stadium in Inglewood, California. The Chiefs won thirteen to twelve. Now,
Speaker 2: I'm the last person you'd ever want to ask any
Speaker 2: information about football, but from the numbers, it appears to
Speaker 2: have been a close, perhaps tense game. Could also be important.
Speaker 4: Tell us more about football, Well I will, but.
Speaker 2: I'm leaving little Easter eggs here that we can call
Speaker 2: back to later. Bread crumbs, bread crumbs, there you go.
Speaker 2: That's a thank you, Payne Lindsay for that. There was
Speaker 2: only one touchdown made by the Chiefs in the first quarter.
Speaker 2: The Chargers came back with several field goals and they
Speaker 2: were leading the game twelve to ten in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 2: but the winning field goal was made by the Chiefs
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. It's one of those come back
Speaker 2: from behind things. And by the way, they are currently
Speaker 2: number one in the AFC West, whatever that means. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't know if.
Speaker 4: You'd both sports common data.
Speaker 3: It's a good thing for the fans. You'll love to
Speaker 3: see it. Also, also shout out to all our Australian listeners.
Speaker 3: Got a message recently where someone asked me a similar question, Matt.
Speaker 3: They were like, can you explain American football? And I
Speaker 3: just said, tune in for halftime. It's a commercial written enterprise.
Speaker 4: Can I say though, that the Chargers is clearly the
Speaker 4: best name for a football team, the most descriptive name
Speaker 4: for what that sport looks like. They got that one
Speaker 4: on lock.
Speaker 3: So yeah, goo up there with gpsy concussions.
Speaker 2: Enough again, guys, I don't know football, but I do
Speaker 2: know true crime stories, and this is one of those.
Speaker 2: After the game, guys, friends and family attempted to contact
Speaker 2: three of the men present at that home in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: There were text messages sent calls, messages sent out over
Speaker 2: social media, and there was no response from all three
Speaker 2: of these men for three days. So remember that's January seventh,
Speaker 2: Sunday night when they're watching that game. On Tuesday, January ninth,
Speaker 2: the fiance of one of the missing men to matters
Speaker 2: into her own hands, drove to the home. She's banging
Speaker 2: on the door, nobody is answering, so she goes around
Speaker 2: to the back, through the backyard and to the basement
Speaker 2: and she enters that. She forcefully enters the home. After
Speaker 2: looking around, she discovers the body of one of the
Speaker 2: friends dead on the back porch. Now, first of all,
Speaker 2: that's horrifying. We don't have a lot of information. We'll
Speaker 2: get to that later, but I'm just going to continue
Speaker 2: telling you kind of what happened in order so then
Speaker 2: we can start to really pick this thing apart.
Speaker 3: One question. So we say there's a fiance, and the
Speaker 3: fiance checks in after three days.
Speaker 2: The fiance has been attempting to make contact. It was
Speaker 2: known that the vehicles of all three men were still
Speaker 2: parked there at this home. I'll say that. And finally,
Speaker 2: after not being able to contact anyone in that home,
Speaker 2: she decides, I'm just going to break in and see
Speaker 2: what I can find. Like, I'm that scared, basically, right.
Speaker 2: So then she immediately contacts the police at around ten
Speaker 2: pm that night on January ninth, The police arrive, they
Speaker 2: search the property, and they discover in the backyard the
Speaker 2: bodies of the two other missing men. So three dead bodies,
Speaker 2: same house. What the heck's going on? According to police,
Speaker 2: there are no obvious signs of foul play immediately near
Speaker 2: or around the crime scene, so like right near the
Speaker 2: bodies or right around the bodies in the mediate area.
Speaker 2: They were all outside. Now this is an important part.
Speaker 2: They were outside the home. Okay, that's going to factor in.
Speaker 2: As of today, Wednesday, January seventeenth, the causes of death
Speaker 2: for all three men has not been released to the public.
Speaker 2: According to police, they are awaiting medical examiner results. Again,
Speaker 2: as of today, as we're recording, there's no information. And
Speaker 2: I'll just say right now, I called one of the
Speaker 2: local CBS affiliates there to make sure there was no
Speaker 2: updates that haven't been published yet, no updates, nothing else
Speaker 2: is known. Now let's go back in time. Here we
Speaker 2: go Friday, January twelfth. That is when police first announce
Speaker 2: to the public and to local news stations that they're
Speaker 2: seeking a search warrant for the home. Right, those bodies
Speaker 2: were found in the backyard of the home, but that
Speaker 2: is not inside the home. So it's not like there's
Speaker 2: probable cause I guess to go into the home and
Speaker 2: look around, right to find possible evidence of a crime.
Speaker 2: And if there's no at least according to the police,
Speaker 2: if there's no signs of foul play, there's no reason
Speaker 2: to do that, right unless new information was revealed at
Speaker 2: some point between February ninth and the twelfth. Does that
Speaker 2: make sense?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Sure, they're also getting a ton of pressure from the
Speaker 2: friends and family of these three missing men to look
Speaker 2: inside that house to figure out what's going on. And
Speaker 2: they also announced the names of the three men who
Speaker 2: were found dead. So let's go ahead and say these names.
Speaker 2: Clayton mcguiney. Mcguiney, I think is how you'd say that
Speaker 2: McGee n y. He was thirty six years old. He
Speaker 2: is the person who's fiance traveled to the house, broke
Speaker 2: in and discovered the bodies. There's David Harrington who is
Speaker 2: thirty seven years old, and Ricky Johnson who is thirty
Speaker 2: eight years old, who was married and the father of
Speaker 2: three children. Now here's the part in the story, Ben,
Speaker 2: can we get an hwigc.
Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 2: According to several sources close to this story, friends and
Speaker 2: family of the deceased. They are speaking out about the
Speaker 2: situation and they's some weird stuff at play. They are saying,
Speaker 2: the person who is currently renting that house, who is
Speaker 2: still alive, was home while the friends watched the game,
Speaker 2: while Clayton's fiance broke in, and while the police arrived.
Speaker 2: So there was a human being that rents that house.
Speaker 2: It was home the whole time. They're also saying that
Speaker 2: this person was aware that those friends and family were
Speaker 2: trying to contact the men and him, and avoided all
Speaker 2: of that contact for three days, again until the police arrived.
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound good.
Speaker 3: Right, No, no, sir.
Speaker 2: If anything, it means this person knows exactly what happened, right,
Speaker 2: This one person, at least, if there weren't other people there,
Speaker 2: knows exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: I mean, unless there is some sort of extenuating circumstance
Speaker 3: compromising their lucidity. Right, unless they are unless they are,
Speaker 3: like so many people in the Midwest, struggling with substance
Speaker 3: issues or have some sort of mental condition. But the
Speaker 3: I agree with you, Matt, the window of time there
Speaker 3: is quite egregious it is.
Speaker 2: So let's jump to some writing by Chris Spargo from
Speaker 2: Inside Edition. This was published on Monday, January fifteenth, to
Speaker 2: get a little more information about what's being said in
Speaker 2: those circumstances we're talking about there, Ben, there are several
Speaker 2: friends who are posting on Facebook publicly about this, and
Speaker 2: one of those friends is Kaylee Lettier. And this is
Speaker 2: a fairly long quote, but I think this is important stuff.
Speaker 2: We have to keep in mind. This is a claim.
Speaker 2: This is not an official statement. This is from Kaylee quote.
Speaker 2: This man was inside his home alive while my friends
Speaker 2: were dead in his yard for lord knows how long
Speaker 2: they were all hanging out, since after the game Sunday.
Speaker 2: He knew people were looking for them. He read messages
Speaker 2: of people searching for him. On Tuesday, my husband banged
Speaker 2: on his door for twenty minutes. My friend banged on
Speaker 2: his door and then busted a window and yelled and
Speaker 2: announced her presence while she's inside, and still nothing from him.
Speaker 2: Then the cops come ten minutes later and he comes
Speaker 2: out nonchalant in his boxers with an empty wine glass
Speaker 2: in hand. Again, we don't know if we cannot confirm
Speaker 2: any of that. That is a statement from one person,
Speaker 2: but again it does not sound good, right right. And
Speaker 2: there's one more statement that we need to get from
Speaker 2: someone named Jennifer Marquez, who was the mother of one
Speaker 2: of the deceased, David Harrington. She says that this person
Speaker 2: who was renting the home contacted some or at least
Speaker 2: told some friends and family that all three of those
Speaker 2: men went outside at some point and froze to death. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: so you know we're talking Kansas City here. It's been
Speaker 2: really cold lately, right in the beginning of this year.
Speaker 2: So I went and checked the historical records for how
Speaker 2: cold it was that evening on the seventh, all the
Speaker 2: way to the ninth, and I would just say that
Speaker 2: I found on January seventh, there was a high of
Speaker 2: forty degrees fahrenheit and a low of thirty four degrees
Speaker 2: fahrenheit thirty four or just two degrees above freezing. And
Speaker 2: then when the police arrived on January ninth, the temperature
Speaker 2: was dropping that evening and it had reached about twenty four
Speaker 2: degrees fahrenheit when they arrived at the house. Precipitous, so
Speaker 2: it was getting colder and colder. It wasn't snowing a lot,
Speaker 2: but there was definitely a lot of the temperatures were
Speaker 2: quite quite cold, right, so it is, but there is
Speaker 2: potential that those guys were outside and their temperature dropped,
Speaker 2: I guess, but it does. It feels highly unlikely to
Speaker 2: me that that is the reason they would have frozen
Speaker 2: to death.
Speaker 4: Is not that the love pass exactly, No, I mean,
Speaker 4: but you know, if they were intoxicated enough and perhaps
Speaker 4: blacked out, but for all three of them to be
Speaker 4: that incapacitated, I would say something else was at play
Speaker 4: other than just alcohol. If that's the case, you know,
Speaker 4: to be that unaware of your you know, rapidly dropping
Speaker 4: body temperature.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Again, we don't know if any substances were involved
Speaker 2: with any of the people at that home that night.
Speaker 2: The variation that could exist there could answer a lot
Speaker 2: of questions.
Speaker 3: Well, sure, poison perhaps would be the badger in the bag, right.
Speaker 2: Or the bad poisonous one, or you know, if everybody
Speaker 2: is on something and even the person we're talking about
Speaker 2: who lived there was passed for that, Yeah, maybe he
Speaker 2: didn't know and then he woke up and was scared.
Speaker 2: That's one possibility. Sure's an infinite number of things that
Speaker 2: could have gone down. It's now basically a waiting game
Speaker 2: until the police released more information.
Speaker 3: No toxicology report yet, I.
Speaker 2: Assume no, at least none that I have seen, none
Speaker 2: that case TV five has seen, and Inside Edition isn't
Speaker 2: reporting on it or any of the other local stations.
Speaker 2: Just one last thing here. They have all attempted to
Speaker 2: make contact with this person, all of the local affiliates,
Speaker 2: and nobody has successfully spoken with him yet. It's unknown
Speaker 2: if there's an attorney representing him or anything like that.
Speaker 2: In his name has not been released by the police
Speaker 2: or by any of these publications, which because he has
Speaker 2: not been charged with any crime.
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to ask, like, what is the
Speaker 4: crime other than being a bad friend? Like I mean,
Speaker 4: I imagine if you own property and someone dies, you know,
Speaker 4: on your property. That's what insurance is for, you know,
Speaker 4: if people needed untimely and their own faults or through
Speaker 4: perhaps tripping over something. But I mean, you know, you're
Speaker 4: allowed to pass out for three days. That's not against
Speaker 4: the law. I'm saying for the guy that's remained in
Speaker 4: that remained indoors, unless he has found to have done
Speaker 4: something that's that that involves foul play. I don't think
Speaker 4: there's anything to get him for. It's not negligence. They
Speaker 4: already left his company. But I don't know. I'm asking, Well,
Speaker 4: that's right, that's right, he's.
Speaker 3: Yes. So also another another person of interest, the POI
Speaker 3: here would be the land and board, right, who.
Speaker 2: Is probably yeah, depending on where they live.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, it's so crazy nowadays you could have somebody who
Speaker 2: owns a bunch of property in one city and they
Speaker 2: live all the way across the country.
Speaker 3: Shout out blackrock Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really all the information I have. Oh,
Speaker 2: according to neighbors, the person who is renting that house
Speaker 2: moved in about six months before now this time, so
Speaker 2: again has lived there for quite a while. Those friends
Speaker 2: definitely knew this person, and they all gathered together. According
Speaker 2: to all friends of family, they all were aware that
Speaker 2: this was a night to watch football and it was
Speaker 2: just a happy hanging out with friends thing.
Speaker 3: What we know is that this is an ongoing case.
Speaker 3: As you outlined, Matt, there are new there are not
Speaker 3: identities disclosed regarding suspects. It sounds like the city is
Speaker 3: still waiting on further investigation. But we do know that
Speaker 3: regardless of how things occurred. There are three children who
Speaker 3: no longer have a father.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the family of Ricky Johnson, one of the deceased,
Speaker 2: the man who did have children, they made a GoFundMe
Speaker 2: for his funeral services. So they're looking to raise six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and as of us recording this, they've raised
Speaker 2: around forty one hundred dollars. So, you know, if anyone
Speaker 2: has the means to make a donation to that, then
Speaker 2: please do. I'm sure it would help out a ton.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the best thing we can do right now,
Speaker 2: besides just keeping a lookout and just just finding answers.
Speaker 2: I am personally interested to know what the heck happened,
Speaker 2: because it's just it's something I want to avoid. Whatever
Speaker 2: the heck happened, I don't want to do that, right,
Speaker 2: So I guess just keep your ears to the ground,
Speaker 2: let us know if you find anything, and yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: be right back with more strange news.
Speaker 4: And we have returned with another piece of strange news.
Speaker 4: Been alluded to this in the opening, the idea of
Speaker 4: bringing people back to life, not through necromancy, minds you,
Speaker 4: not through some doc ritual. Well, I don't know. We
Speaker 4: have talked about how certain prompts for AI can be
Speaker 4: kind of compared to an incantation, because you got to
Speaker 4: know the right words to say to feed these things
Speaker 4: to make them make something that's interesting. The right prompts,
Speaker 4: you know, the right things to learn the machine on.
Speaker 4: And today we're talking about comedy. You know, comedy the
Speaker 4: I don't know, and in many ways one of the
Speaker 4: most human of art forms. I think. I think stand
Speaker 4: up comedy in particular, at its best is sort of
Speaker 4: a combination of like story telling and you know, calling
Speaker 4: from one's own experience, and I think lived experience, to
Speaker 4: me is what makes the best stand up comedy. There's
Speaker 4: all kinds of different flavors of it, but that's the
Speaker 4: stuff that usually does it for me.
Speaker 3: The great orators of our time.
Speaker 4: Great orators, you know, can parlay those skills into being
Speaker 4: good writers as well, often great performer. The timing of
Speaker 4: delivering good stand up tends to translate really well to
Speaker 4: screen acting, as we know, but George Carlin is widely
Speaker 4: considered to be one of the greats in terms of
Speaker 4: stand up comedy. There's actually an episode Ben and I
Speaker 4: did on Ridiculous History with Wayne Fetterman who teaches stand
Speaker 4: up comedy or the history of stand up comedy at
Speaker 4: a university in California, and we talk about the dirty words,
Speaker 4: George Carlin's dirty words. He does a whole bit on him.
Speaker 4: These are the words you can't say on TV or
Speaker 4: the radio. The guy's a legend, no question about it.
Speaker 4: And he's also deceased. And one thing that comes into
Speaker 4: play when dealing with legends, you know, the public and
Speaker 4: people who are passionate about art and whatever the person represented,
Speaker 4: they've got a stake in this kind of stuff. And
Speaker 4: like we saw with the Tupac hologram, you know at
Speaker 4: Coachella Lough those many years ago, sometimes these things can
Speaker 4: rub people the wrong way, and for a good reason.
Speaker 4: And that's what we're talking about today. A podcast that Matt,
Speaker 4: you might be able to give a little more background
Speaker 4: on it. I'm not I haven't listened to it, but
Speaker 4: it is called dude z uh and it is the
Speaker 4: inevitable integration of podcast T and AI and it's a
Speaker 4: comedy podcast where an AI called dudez essentially, I guess
Speaker 4: creates the topics for every episode or I don't know.
Speaker 4: Matt can explain a little bit more about how the
Speaker 4: AI is part of the show.
Speaker 2: Well, I've only I've not watched entire episodes of Dudez.
Speaker 2: I have seen it on social media clips quite often,
Speaker 2: which I find to be hilarious most of the time
Speaker 2: when it's it's these two hosts sometimes just doing impressions
Speaker 2: that are so spot on it's insane. It just you know,
Speaker 2: as a talk podcast. Then other times they are reac
Speaker 2: acting to creations of this AI but that I believe
Speaker 2: is also called Dudzi. Yeah, and the stuff I've seen
Speaker 2: is just unhinged.
Speaker 4: It's like one of them is will Sasso, who is
Speaker 4: famous from being on Matt I would you know, I
Speaker 4: would say, is it's a very good uh comedian. It's
Speaker 4: funny and also a really good impressionist, which is an
Speaker 4: easy thing to do.
Speaker 3: So that's the Tom Hanks clips. Yes, those are I
Speaker 3: think those are the ones that attained prominence because it
Speaker 3: is clearly AI uh some arcade agglomeration, something like mid Journey,
Speaker 3: something like chat GPT with some voice ripping uh. And
Speaker 3: it's a since I already use the word ripping, it's
Speaker 3: a ripping good.
Speaker 4: Time, you know, wizard for one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one turns into a bus. It's it works
Speaker 3: really well as a what if trailer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like teaser trailers for those new you know,
Speaker 2: a movie and they're amazing. Anyway, that's at least my
Speaker 2: knowledge coming in to this discussion.
Speaker 4: And those are clearly meant to be completely absurd, and
Speaker 4: you know, like these movies that don't exist, that everyone
Speaker 4: knows don't exist, and you know, one could argue that
Speaker 4: their experiment with what they've done with the story it's
Speaker 4: about that's making people upset. Making a new hour of
Speaker 4: stand up from a deceased legendary comedian. One could argue
Speaker 4: that there is some comedic merit in that, and then
Speaker 4: it is sort of taking the piss out of AI
Speaker 4: and sort of deflating it a little bit. But that
Speaker 4: requires you having a little bit of control over the
Speaker 4: spin and the way these things are perceived, and oftentimes
Speaker 4: with reporting, people are going for grabby headlines and you
Speaker 4: know stuff like you know, hack podcasters resurrect legendary comedian
Speaker 4: through AI sort of like that Beatles song where they
Speaker 4: took you know, John Lennon's vocal from a the demo
Speaker 4: tape and then sort of like enhanced it and allowed
Speaker 4: them to make a new song.
Speaker 3: With it.
Speaker 4: People were really upset about that before they even heard
Speaker 4: the song, and then they heard the song and we're
Speaker 4: just kind of irritated that it sucked. But it was
Speaker 4: the ais fault. This wasn't a very good song. So
Speaker 4: with this, it's an hour of new stand up. And
Speaker 4: I don't think any of us have heard it, So
Speaker 4: why don't we hear a little clip of it? Okay,
Speaker 4: Ben sird it, Matt and I haven't heard it. Why
Speaker 4: don't we hear a little clip of it and we
Speaker 4: can all kind of react to in real time before
Speaker 4: we bring down our hammered fists of judgment or not.
Speaker 4: And by the way, it is called very pointedly George Carlin,
Speaker 4: I'm glad I'm Dead twenty twenty four full special, and
Speaker 4: you know it's labeled, you know, like a special from
Speaker 4: George Carlin, just putting that out there.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: I like to start off with a heartfelt apology. I'm
Speaker 5: sorry it took me so long to come out with
Speaker 5: new material, but I do have a pretty good excuse.
Speaker 5: I was dead, so technically it was my fault. If
Speaker 5: you want to blame somebody, you're gonna have to blame God,
Speaker 5: which we all know is not gonna happen. People are
Speaker 5: always thanking God for the good stuff in their lives,
Speaker 5: but somehow they conveniently forget that it's the same God
Speaker 5: who does all the badge too, and he does a
Speaker 5: lot of badge shit. You get a promotion, praise Jesus,
Speaker 5: you get fired.
Speaker 4: God is testing me.
Speaker 5: You meet your soulmate. God brought us together. Your soulmate
Speaker 5: dumps you. God is bringing me someone else. You survive
Speaker 5: a tornado. I'm so blessed. Twenty other people do not.
Speaker 5: God wanted them in heaven. It's all bullshit.
Speaker 4: Okay, So looking at each of the three of us,
Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit of active cringe going on. Well,
Speaker 4: it's really kind of the point, do I do get that?
Speaker 2: But go ahead, Matt, Well, it's just an odd it's
Speaker 2: an odd sensation to almost feel like you're hearing George
Speaker 2: Carlin write jokes that you can tell feel like written jokes.
Speaker 2: It's just they don't they don't have the I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, soul. They don't have the thing behind them.
Speaker 3: He was also, in my opinion, and this is just
Speaker 3: one entity talking is also a great orator, philosopher, and
Speaker 3: truth teller who would have absolutely objected to this the
Speaker 3: God jokes technically structurally though it makes sense, No, they
Speaker 3: don't make sense. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Remember there was that other AI thing that was like
Speaker 4: Seinfeld twenty four hour repeat or whatever, and it was
Speaker 4: sort of a non sequiturs. But even that was the
Speaker 4: thing about stuff like that is the Seinfeld thing. It
Speaker 4: leaned into the absurdity of it. The whole point of
Speaker 4: it was that it wasn't good. This one is just
Speaker 4: close enough to a kind of cheap facsimile of the
Speaker 4: real thing that it feels gross. And obviously the joke
Speaker 4: of the whole thing is haha, I'm dead, you know. Okay, great,
Speaker 4: that's really not funny objectively. But I bet you that
Speaker 4: if I or any of the three of us were
Speaker 4: like real students of Carlin and like had done deep
Speaker 4: dives into all of his more than I believe a
Speaker 4: dozen stand up specials, we'd hear snatches of what created
Speaker 4: the jokes in this AI. We'd hear like the kind
Speaker 4: of the bones of them, I think, you know. And
Speaker 4: that's that's how I or machine learning works. It isn't
Speaker 4: creating things out of whole cloth. It's sort of remixing
Speaker 4: things that already exist.
Speaker 2: Now you can hear it attempting to match his timings, right,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not again, it's not quite there because
Speaker 2: it's not a person reacting in real time to an
Speaker 2: audience the way his specials were.
Speaker 3: It sounds like someone doing an impression of Carlin as
Speaker 3: a voice actor, with jokes that he would have not
Speaker 3: written because he would have done a better job, to
Speaker 3: be honest. But also it reminds me, what's that old
Speaker 3: Mitch Hedberg joke about he's on a movie set and
Speaker 3: so he smoked fake weed with Willie Nelson and he
Speaker 3: said that was a lot like the time I smoked
Speaker 3: real weed with a guy who looked like Willy Nelson.
Speaker 3: You know, like there's a it's an erosion of the
Speaker 3: post truth environment, and I've got to be honest, Noel, Matt.
Speaker 3: It's it's making me rethink the joke we made on
Speaker 3: Instagram about AI coming for everyone.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, no, yeah, for sure. And I think again,
Speaker 4: what these guys got wrong in this presentation was a
Speaker 4: messing with the legendary comedian. But that's and you know,
Speaker 4: knowing that there are diehards that are going to come
Speaker 4: for you. But maybe that's the point, you know, the
Speaker 4: idea of killing your darlings or killing your idols or whatever,
Speaker 4: that there's there's no nothing's off limits in comedy or whatever.
Speaker 4: And it does seem again, those those Tom Hanks Wizard
Speaker 4: videos are really funny, but no one would ever even
Speaker 4: come close to mistaking those anything Tom Hanks actually participated in.
Speaker 4: There's some other YouTubers and podcasts, YouTubers I guess more
Speaker 4: specifically that use deep fakes to like put on the
Speaker 4: face of a celebrity while they're doing the celebrities voice,
Speaker 4: Like there's this one guy that does Gary Busey all
Speaker 4: the time, and I think those are really funny and
Speaker 4: use use of that technology. But also it's really clear
Speaker 4: what you're looking at if you pay any attention. This
Speaker 4: one and almost has the potential to like hurt some feelings, you.
Speaker 2: Know, And so hold on, we didn't play the part
Speaker 2: at the very beginning, as Jerry, it's a statement that
Speaker 2: this is not George Carlin. This is dudeesy I am
Speaker 2: this is an AI I am not. I am not
Speaker 2: George Carlin. So like for me, people who are like
Speaker 2: really upset about this, they're like outraged and hurt outside
Speaker 2: of maybe the actual family of George Carlin. I feel
Speaker 2: like that's performative because this is I have I have
Speaker 2: to say that I feel it feels like I'm outraged
Speaker 2: and I didn't even actually look into this thing deep enough,
Speaker 2: right the guy here.
Speaker 3: I listened to the whole special. You're right that that
Speaker 3: disclaimer is explicit. It is quite clear, and it's at
Speaker 3: the front of the special. However, counterpoint, we can make
Speaker 3: the argument that many people who are hearing this are
Speaker 3: going to be hearing clips of it rather than the
Speaker 3: entirety of the thing, and those clips do not have
Speaker 3: that sort of disclaimer. Now, as the idea of performative
Speaker 3: upset goes, I totally get you on that. I think
Speaker 3: you hit a really important point, which is that the
Speaker 3: family is saying, why are you Why are you resurrecting
Speaker 3: this guy and making a buck off of it? By
Speaker 3: the way it is, it is monetized.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's actually a very valid point.
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to bring up. And I
Speaker 4: think mainly I'm thinking about the family here. I'm not
Speaker 4: really that concerned with Internet, you know, outrage mongers. But
Speaker 4: Kelly Carlin, the daughter of the late comedian, had this
Speaker 4: to say my statement regarding the AI generated George Carlin special.
Speaker 4: My dad spent a lifetime perfecting his craft from his
Speaker 4: very human life, brain and imagination. No machine will ever
Speaker 4: replace his genius. These AI generated products are clever attempts,
Speaker 4: she acknowledges. They're clever at trying to recreate a mind
Speaker 4: that will never exist. Again, Let's let the artists work
Speaker 4: speak for itself. Humans are so afraid of the void
Speaker 4: that we can't let what has fallen into it stay there.
Speaker 4: Here's an idea. How about we give some actual living
Speaker 4: human comedians I listen to, but if you want to
Speaker 4: listen to the genuine George Carlin, he has fourteen specials
Speaker 4: that you can find anywhere, and.
Speaker 3: They're pretty good, by the way, folks, Sure, yeah, they're
Speaker 3: all pretty great.
Speaker 4: He's one of the greats. And I think Kelly Carlin
Speaker 4: really nailed it. And I do want to again not
Speaker 4: completely throw the DUDESI folks under the bus. In the
Speaker 4: Vice article that talks about this, Matthew Galt, who starts
Speaker 4: the article by talking saying how he's a diehard George
Speaker 4: Carlin fan and he found this egregiously not anything goes
Speaker 4: so far as to say it was offensive. But he really
Speaker 4: just said he said it cannot be unseen and he
Speaker 4: just found it to be worse than you could possibly imagine,
Speaker 4: is what he said. But again to your point from
Speaker 4: the story, maybe you said that's off air, Matt, but
Speaker 4: some of these things are meant to be bad. It
Speaker 4: is the comedy of cringe, you know, that's a culture
Speaker 4: that we that definitely exists in, like alternative comedy. But
Speaker 4: Will Sasso, who we talked about and all I think
Speaker 4: three of us have been fans of his stuff in
Speaker 4: the past, had this to say on the actual podcast
Speaker 4: where they talked about this before they did it as clips.
Speaker 4: I guess, and that's the format of the show, and
Speaker 4: then they published the whole thing. But he said beat
Speaker 4: me here, I guess, So let's just say it beat myself.
Speaker 4: I personally don't want to hear a freaking song I'm
Speaker 4: gonna swear like my kid does, freaking Nirvana song that's
Speaker 4: not written by Kurt Cobain and played by freaking Nirvana.
Speaker 4: I don't give a shoot. I don't give a shoot.
Speaker 4: It's not real. It doesn't matter. Anyone can do an
Speaker 4: impression z is doing an impression. I don't think a
Speaker 4: new comic has anything to worry about because we need
Speaker 4: new voices. And that's essentially what Kelly Carlin said as well,
Speaker 4: So that disclaimer is in there too. So I guess
Speaker 4: I think this is a lot of outrage over nothing.
Speaker 4: I just think they may be miscuted a little bit,
Speaker 4: not really anticipating the reaction. But Mike, my question is
Speaker 4: to you guys, is there anything off limits? Like where
Speaker 4: does the line between satire and ripoff exist with this
Speaker 4: kind of technology? And is it I don't know when
Speaker 4: is it okay? When is it not okay? What are
Speaker 4: the guidelines? What are the where are the guideposts?
Speaker 3: The guideline for good satire. Satire when it works, comes
Speaker 3: from a place of respect, acknowledgment, and love. That's why
Speaker 3: good satire works. That's why really really successful Saturday Night
Speaker 3: live impressions that carry, that's why they often do well.
Speaker 3: You know, if you see, for instance, if you see
Speaker 3: the parody of Wes Anderson film as a horror movie,
Speaker 3: it's coming from people clearly studied. They love Wes Anderson
Speaker 3: and with Doodzi, you know, there's two storied comedians here,
Speaker 3: students of their craft. They clearly, like anybody worth their salt,
Speaker 3: as tremendous. They have tremendous respect for George Carlin. The
Speaker 3: idea of whether or not something should be off limits,
Speaker 3: it can be phrased as a complex question, but a
Speaker 3: lot of that complex, like again to use the word
Speaker 3: performative nuance around it, like, oh, it was a complicated issue.
Speaker 3: What it's dodging is the idea of consent. Right. What
Speaker 3: is off limits that to which one does not consent
Speaker 3: being who is being paid homage here, paid tribute or
Speaker 3: impersonated or mechanical turk here, it is a dead person
Speaker 3: who cannot consent.
Speaker 4: States And they were not consulted to just just put
Speaker 4: that out there. I think that might have been part
Speaker 4: of the outrage. On that end, they probably wouldn't have
Speaker 4: given permission. I just want to add one last thing, like, well,
Speaker 4: weird al you know famously, Well he doesn't have to
Speaker 4: get permission because of parody laws. He always does because
Speaker 4: I think it's just the smart move pr wise. You
Speaker 4: know so, I think famously Prince would never consent to
Speaker 4: allowing him to do a parody of a print song,
Speaker 4: which is pretty on brand for Prince yeah, but he
Speaker 4: could have done it because the law allows him to
Speaker 4: do that as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 2: Well, he's also making records for Sony right, which is no,
Speaker 2: it's no small deal there. So, like I imagine, Yankevick
Speaker 2: wants to dot his eyes and cross his t's if guys,
Speaker 2: doesn't it feel like if you want to get like
Speaker 2: maximum promotion for something, maximum people talking about it, do
Speaker 2: something shocking because people get so angry they just have
Speaker 2: to post about it and give their opinion. That's a
Speaker 2: exactly what this.
Speaker 3: Is very good for, Duzzy excellent point.
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, I mean, honestly, I was hearing about all
Speaker 4: the crazy stuff that Elon Musk is up to. And
Speaker 4: while it does sound like that guy's mega spiraling and
Speaker 4: probably on drugs of varying varieties, you know, you got
Speaker 4: to wonder when someone has that much, that many resources
Speaker 4: at their disposal and there really is no quote unquote losing,
Speaker 4: isn't the name of the game just to be as
Speaker 4: infuriating as possible, just so you don't get bumped from
Speaker 4: the headlines. I think some of what he's doing is that,
Speaker 4: and it's calculating. I think some of the other stuff
Speaker 4: that he's doing, isn't that? But you know we see
Speaker 4: it all the time. There's no bad press quote unquote.
Speaker 4: If if you don't care, the crazy thing is.
Speaker 2: Think about how many people heard about this story and
Speaker 2: didn't actually listen to the episode or watch the episode
Speaker 2: of the podcast. So they watched a clip right or
Speaker 2: they write a headline like it. But they know what
Speaker 2: Dudzy is now and they didn't know what Dudez was
Speaker 2: a little before.
Speaker 4: Hell Devil's Advocate. They know who George Carr Roland is now.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of kids, you know who are
Speaker 4: following this kind of stuff probably not aware of the
Speaker 4: work of George Carlin. You know, there's a cutoff for
Speaker 4: like the types of entertainers that my kid and their
Speaker 4: generation are aware of. You know, when music, the knowledge
Speaker 4: goes pretty far back, but when it comes to like actors,
Speaker 4: certain comedians, there would be a massive blind spot in
Speaker 4: that generation for a guy like George Carlin. So you know,
Speaker 4: you could argue that this is exposing people to George
Speaker 4: Carlin's work as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know this about the show. The creators
Speaker 2: of The Dudzy Show have not revealed what company is
Speaker 2: backing the show and the dudezy AI.
Speaker 3: That's correct.
Speaker 2: That's a wrinkle to me, a.
Speaker 4: Little weird, like is it proprietary? Is it in service
Speaker 4: to some you know what I mean? Like is it
Speaker 4: training an AI for a company?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think that's very very, very interesting and valliding to
Speaker 4: bring up. And I wonder how long they're going to
Speaker 4: milk that. I would argue that the story might cause
Speaker 4: them to do a little damage control. I'll be interested
Speaker 4: to see if maybe a reveal does come after the
Speaker 4: backlash from this. But they definitely did what they set
Speaker 4: out to do, which is to get some new listeners,
Speaker 4: even if they're just hey listeners. But let's take a
Speaker 4: quick break. We'll hear a word from our sponsor, which
Speaker 4: is probably not an AI chat butt, and we'll be
Speaker 4: back with one more piece of strange news.
Speaker 3: Speaking of only reading the headlines, Boby, the world's oldest dog,
Speaker 3: is being investigated for fraud. I sent this in a
Speaker 3: group chat earlier because I love a good headline. Bobi
Speaker 3: is being investigated, you know, obviously for claims about his age,
Speaker 3: But in my head, guys, I love picturing the world's
Speaker 3: oldest dog. Somehow, being like the subject of an investigation
Speaker 3: for some street level crowd, like he's selling loose cigarettes
Speaker 3: or he started MLM somewhere. Anyway, we've got we've got
Speaker 3: a lot of headlines. We wanted to We wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about something that we may have mentioned in years past,
Speaker 3: which is now reaching a culminating point and hopefully bringing
Speaker 3: justice to a great number of victims. Uh. You guys
Speaker 3: remember Abercrombie and Fitch. You ever went into one of
Speaker 3: those stores?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Who wear Abercrombie and Fitch in the summer.
Speaker 2: I bought my son and jacket from there not long ago.
Speaker 2: I hope everything's okay.
Speaker 4: Are those the pants that are like pre distressed? Wasn't
Speaker 4: that their thing? Don't they do that? Or is that
Speaker 4: American ego? I think it's maybe.
Speaker 2: That's every GA company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of money. You save a lot of
Speaker 3: money selling them pre distressed, right, because you can lower
Speaker 3: your QA standards, your quality assurance, and then you can
Speaker 3: sell for a higher markup. And shout out to codename
Speaker 3: Doc Holliday for also mentioning that song you ellude to.
Speaker 3: This is quite a pickle. This is a real bag
Speaker 3: of badgers. There is a former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch,
Speaker 3: which I don't know about you all. I always sort
Speaker 3: of associated it with the I would say, light jock,
Speaker 3: light sporting demographic.
Speaker 4: It's a bro brand.
Speaker 3: The former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch, Mike Jeffries, is
Speaker 3: facing a couple of different lawsuits now thanks to some
Speaker 3: excellent investigative work by our friends across the pond at
Speaker 3: the BBC. What I'd like to do is walk through
Speaker 3: the story. For anybody wants more information on this, please
Speaker 3: do check out the World of Secrets podcast Season one.
Speaker 3: The Abercrombie guys and as you know, fellow conspiracy realists,
Speaker 3: we don't blow smoke when we recommend podcasts that we
Speaker 3: think you would enjoy. This is not in any way
Speaker 3: an ad for the work of these journalists. This is
Speaker 3: not even something that is in our corporate overlord network.
Speaker 3: This is just good work and it matters, so it's
Speaker 3: worth checking out. Here's what happened. So the BBC does
Speaker 3: an investigation into longstanding allegations of things like sexual abuse,
Speaker 3: sexual discrimination, even unto sex trafficking. This triggered the FBI
Speaker 3: FBI agents specifically specializing in sex crimes and federal prosecutors
Speaker 3: from the Eastern District of New York to look into
Speaker 3: the allegations right now, Mike Jefferies and his partner is
Speaker 3: a British national, are also facing a civil lawsuit. This
Speaker 3: is much deeper water the allegations. Oh and the British
Speaker 3: partner here is Matthew Smith. So let's go to the
Speaker 3: BBC directly. Rihanna Croxford writes the following FBI investigate after
Speaker 3: ex Abercrombie boss sex claims. So Jeffries and Smith Matthew
Speaker 3: Smith are accused of exploiting young men for sexual activities
Speaker 3: at events they hosted in their New York residencies. They
Speaker 3: have multiple residencies in New York and then across the
Speaker 3: world at very high end hotels. No less than eight
Speaker 3: men as of January twenty twenty four have told the
Speaker 3: British broadcasters that they went to these events they were
Speaker 3: coerced into sexual activity. This occurred in places like London, Paris,
Speaker 3: Marrakesh for more than a decade from two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine to twenty f fifteen. That's why I know that
Speaker 3: we touched on this, or at least talked about it
Speaker 3: off air in the past. Over the course of our
Speaker 3: careers on the show, and what the BBC found includes
Speaker 3: stuff like event itineraries, flight tickets, a very a very
Speaker 3: strange kind of middleman. I'd like to share with you
Speaker 3: guys an image of someone involved in this trafficking scheme.
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Oh yeah, okay, So I'm going to
Speaker 3: share this. I want you guys to react to this
Speaker 3: this and we'll tell you who it is. After you
Speaker 3: see this picture. There we go, well, it's the guy,
Speaker 3: not the dog.
Speaker 4: The guy dog. What's going on with that guy's nose?
Speaker 3: So he is missing his news?
Speaker 4: He has is as hard a time with the picture
Speaker 4: because it looks like a blur. It's weird. I wasn't
Speaker 4: being able.
Speaker 3: Let's do anything right, right right? He has a he
Speaker 3: has a what look to be a snake skin prosthetic
Speaker 3: over his nose. I'm just saying, this almost looks like
Speaker 3: central casting for a villain.
Speaker 4: Yes, it does. I was thinking of And initially he
Speaker 4: looks kind of like Tommy why So from the room.
Speaker 4: He just has this guy He's got a big lustrous
Speaker 4: head of hair and the sunglasses and I don't know,
Speaker 4: he just had that Tommy why So vibe.
Speaker 3: So that middle man is named James Jacobson. The investigators
Speaker 3: at the BBC or the journalist tracked him down. He
Speaker 3: denied any wrongdoing and he said, look, certain adult activities
Speaker 3: may have occurred, but all of the people involved went
Speaker 3: to those events with quote their eyes wide open. And
Speaker 3: he also, I don't know his testimony or his statements.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit muddied right now because when the
Speaker 3: BBC went and contacted this guy, like knocked on his
Speaker 3: door directly, he told them at the beginning, if you
Speaker 3: keep me anonymous, let's make a deal and I'll tell
Speaker 3: you everything. And the BBC said, no, we have to
Speaker 3: tell the actual story. So good on you, folks. I
Speaker 3: will pause here. I've got to ask. We've all heard
Speaker 3: of Abercrombie and Fitch here in the US, but do
Speaker 3: you guys remember these allegations or does this ring in
Speaker 3: a distant bell?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was. This hit the news a couple of
Speaker 2: months ago. It just because, as you said, Ben, this
Speaker 2: has been ongoing like for a while where information has
Speaker 2: been coming out in little fits and starts. But it
Speaker 2: does feel like this is at least this is the
Speaker 2: most information we've ever seen in one place. Right, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you.
Speaker 4: One thing that always struck me a little odd about
Speaker 4: Abercrombie were their ad campaigns that often involved very young, hairless,
Speaker 4: scantily clad boys. That is, it's always something that struck
Speaker 4: me about that. I just it was a little different.
Speaker 4: And I know that, you know, the homore eroticism and
Speaker 4: things like that have always been big in fashion, like
Speaker 4: Calvin Klein and you know, briefs and you know, all
Speaker 4: that stuff, and it's totally a thing, you know, but
Speaker 4: Abercrombie's always kind of had a little more of that
Speaker 4: than some brands, that know, as you seeing. And I
Speaker 4: wonder if that was a culture, you know, or if
Speaker 4: some of these abuses involved models or anything like that
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Think back to twenty eleven, twenty twelve, when the news
Speaker 3: about the very strange corporate guide to the private flights
Speaker 3: broke like that, gosh, I don't remember any of this, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was Let me put a link in the chat here.
Speaker 3: Here's something from huffingting Post what we see here. What
Speaker 3: we see here is that the under the auspice or
Speaker 3: under the guidance of Mike Jeffries, the corporate jet became
Speaker 3: sort of a playground for this sort of exploitation and
Speaker 3: the rules about dress behavior nomenclature. They were very specific.
Speaker 3: They were also skirting the line of what would be
Speaker 3: considered legally required from an employer toward an employee, like
Speaker 3: they were just on the side of criminal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically, Oh, you want to be an abercrombian Fitch model,
Speaker 2: then guess what. Here's here's the rules, as you said,
Speaker 2: the rule book, and it's not it's probably not going
Speaker 2: to be that fun for you.
Speaker 4: It's under Yeah, there's a weird line in here about
Speaker 4: the flight attendance and making them respond to names that
Speaker 4: weren't their own, very kind of domb kind of behavior.
Speaker 4: It would and you know, much like I think we're
Speaker 4: all a little weirded out by the Chick fil A
Speaker 4: my pleasure response. I think it rubs everybody the wrong
Speaker 4: way a little bit. This one has them saying things
Speaker 4: like no problem, like you know, very short, what's the word,
Speaker 4: kind of affirmative kind of sub you know, like I
Speaker 4: am here to serve. So that's yeah, but it's weird
Speaker 4: in this context.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you mentioned the Chick fil A thing,
Speaker 3: because I've brought that up on the past as well.
Speaker 3: It's a weird flex. That Huffington Post article we mentioned
Speaker 3: is by Alice Hines October eighteenth, twenty twelve, so this
Speaker 3: story dates back much much further than the reporting that's
Speaker 3: happening now. I'd like to, if it's okay, shout out
Speaker 3: another great piece of journalism by Gloria Oledipo over at
Speaker 3: The Guardian. This includes some some sobering quotes, and again
Speaker 3: this may not be appropriate for all audiences. I'll read it.
Speaker 3: Let's react. Quote. One man told the BBC that he
Speaker 3: believed his drink had been spiked at an event after
Speaker 3: Jeffries attempted to kiss him during a dance performance. The
Speaker 3: man said that he fell asleep in a back room
Speaker 3: and woke up to find a condom inside of him.
Speaker 3: This is a quote. When I put things together, I
Speaker 3: believe there is a very good possibility I was drugged
Speaker 3: and raped. I'll probably never never know for sure the
Speaker 3: answer to what happened. Most of the men who spoke
Speaker 3: to the BBC said they felt degraded and harmed because
Speaker 3: of their experience with Jeffreys and Smith. There was a
Speaker 3: former model named Barrett Paul talking to the BBC. One
Speaker 3: of the last quotes will give who says the following.
Speaker 3: My feeling of being in that room was an animal.
Speaker 3: I was not a human to any of these people.
Speaker 3: I was a body. I was being presented someone to
Speaker 3: do what they wanted with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to just walk not walk back,
Speaker 4: but just clarify that when I was talking about how
Speaker 4: some of these ad campaigns struck me in a certain way.
Speaker 4: You know, there was a time when when we were younger,
Speaker 4: I guess, or even in the two thousands, where kind
Speaker 4: of queer culture wasn't front and center as much as
Speaker 4: it is today. And then I think it's it's wonderful
Speaker 4: that it is, and there's much more of a voice
Speaker 4: for that culture in public conversation and pop culture and
Speaker 4: all of that. But there was a time where it
Speaker 4: was sort of like less mainstream and much more underground,
Speaker 4: and this kind of fashiony queer coding kind of stuff
Speaker 4: didn't seem to me to be a positive thing necessarily
Speaker 4: for the queer community. It was more of like a
Speaker 4: subjugation of that and sort of using it as like
Speaker 4: a fashion brand, iconic kind of thing for a campaign.
Speaker 3: Well. Also, Abercrombie has been accused in the past of
Speaker 3: some pretty discriminatory and racist practices right this, Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a company that has had problems. I was looking in
Speaker 3: deep to establish a timeline. I feel like there could
Speaker 3: be a full episode here because folks need to know
Speaker 3: stuff we could get into in a deeper dive, concerns
Speaker 3: things like the Lex Wesner connection, which there is one,
Speaker 3: by the way, troubling stuff. It could also involve questions
Speaker 3: of why there was not more investigation earlier, because you guys,
Speaker 3: Jeffries ran Abercrombie Fitch from nineteen ninety two to twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: So during that entirety of the time, these weird rules
Speaker 3: on plane flights, the weird discrimination, the sexual quid pro
Speaker 3: quo stuff that was happening the entire time. And right
Speaker 3: now it's twenty twenty four, a decade later, and nothing
Speaker 3: has been done. And it makes you think there are
Speaker 3: a lot of similarities with some Epstein stuff here.
Speaker 4: I remember this guy now that I'm looking at photos
Speaker 4: of him, he looks perma surprised. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 4: No shade on anyone that gets procedures done with this
Speaker 4: guy's head had quite a few and yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 4: going for that. Like I'm youthful until I'm dead in
Speaker 4: the ground kind of fountain of youth vibe, and that
Speaker 4: can really do a number on people's Brenton psyche and
Speaker 4: they really live that life. You know, we know this
Speaker 4: from hell, from all kinds of stories in history and
Speaker 4: in you know, fantasy and fiction. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I never want to body shame
Speaker 3: anybody for their appearance or how they present. But judging
Speaker 3: on the behavior alone, the actions here, this is something
Speaker 3: that feels like stuff they don't want you to to
Speaker 3: know a long time in coming, and it makes me wonder.
Speaker 3: You know, we have to be really careful not to
Speaker 3: paint with two broad a brush and connect patterns or
Speaker 3: recognized patterns where none exist. But the Wexner connection seems real.
Speaker 3: This also reminds me of you know, I think that
Speaker 3: was an excellent point about the dirty business of modeling
Speaker 3: as an industry wherein that sort of abuse is simply tolerated.
Speaker 3: It also makes me again, I just keep coming back
Speaker 3: to it. You guys, why were there no investigations? You know,
Speaker 3: it's like the It's like the Brian Singer question, remember
Speaker 3: Brian Singer x men.
Speaker 4: Totally Yeah, I mean, powerful people can pull strings make
Speaker 4: things go away.
Speaker 2: What did Singer do? I don't remember.
Speaker 4: He had these Hollywood Hills parties with, you know, taking
Speaker 4: advantage of young starry eyed kids coming to Hollywood to
Speaker 4: make a name for themselves. And there's a specific kid
Speaker 4: that spoke, you know, testified to some really gnarly stuff
Speaker 4: alleged never alleged, yes, correct, but what he spoke to,
Speaker 4: if true, very gnarly. And you know Singer kind of
Speaker 4: he sort of bounced back from that, but never really
Speaker 4: Like often happens, you know, you take a hit, you disappear,
Speaker 4: you're not really dealing with major consequences, but you kind
Speaker 4: of don't get to keep being the person you used
Speaker 4: to be. There is that, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Sure from far enough away, maybe that looks like a consequence.
Speaker 4: Now you're right, Ben right?
Speaker 3: I mean I feel you on this too. You know.
Speaker 3: For anybody who is looking into this at home, after
Speaker 3: you get done with the BBC stuff, do check out
Speaker 3: the Wexner Jeffreys connection, and do also check out the
Speaker 3: stories about Brian Singer and Kevin Spacey. This is true stuff.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know. If you are hearing
Speaker 3: this and you have been affected by these sorts of
Speaker 3: unclean activities, then there are resources available counseling, therapy and
Speaker 3: hopefully closure and justice.
Speaker 4: Oh really quickly. It's not exactly an upnoe. It might
Speaker 4: break your heart, Matt. You've probably heard about this, but
Speaker 4: I meant to mention it at the end of the
Speaker 4: Carlon bit. But apparently Wizards of the Coast have sheepishly
Speaker 4: admitted to using AI in the design of their Magic
Speaker 4: Cards series. And they initially denied it, And it's apparently
Speaker 4: in a background image of something in their new series.
Speaker 4: It's something about like a like a lovecrafty and manner
Speaker 4: kind of situation. I remember what it's called.
Speaker 2: Wait, but wasn't it Okay, Well, what I had seen
Speaker 2: is that they had made a promotional image. That's right.
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a card. You're right, I'm
Speaker 4: under saying the case, keep me honest.
Speaker 2: Just because just because Wizards has been so amazing at
Speaker 2: supporting incredible artists, right, So it would break my heart
Speaker 2: if they actually did that. But I can yeah, I
Speaker 2: can imagine a promo image utilizing it for that, but
Speaker 2: maybe not wanting to admit it. But they did admit it.
Speaker 2: They did it.
Speaker 3: Speaking of supporting folks, so I want to make sure
Speaker 3: we get this on air. The resources we're mentioning are
Speaker 3: things like the National Sexual Assault Hotline. Here in the
Speaker 3: US it is eight hundred six five six four six
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Speaker 2: That was so good. By the way, did you read
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