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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noela.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as olders with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are here that makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: want you to know. As you're listening, we are reaching

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Speaker 3: the end of January in twenty twenty four, coming off

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Speaker 3: a long weekend here in the United States, where every

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Speaker 3: company worth being a company does acknowledge, commemorate, and celebrate

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Speaker 3: Martin Luther King Day. Over the long weekend, a lot

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Speaker 3: of very bizarre things happened. A stand up comic was

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Speaker 3: brought back from the dead, the FBI is true story

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Speaker 3: investigating some decades worth of villainous actions by a fashion maven.

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Speaker 3: And something tragic and mysterious happened in Kansas City.

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Speaker 4: Finally, well really not in the tragic part, but just

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Speaker 4: something happening in Kansas City. I'm kidding. Kansas City is

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Speaker 4: a great town. I would like to go.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is something mysterious that occurred in tragic. On Sunday,

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Speaker 2: January seventh, several friends gathered at a home within the

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Speaker 2: Coves Subdivision in the northwest suburbs of Kansas City, Missouri,

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Speaker 2: to watch their home team, the Chiefs, play the Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles Chargers. The game was watched by four or more people,

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Speaker 2: we know that for sure, or more. That's important here

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Speaker 2: and the game that they watched was played at Sofi

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Speaker 2: Stadium in Inglewood, California. The Chiefs won thirteen to twelve. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm the last person you'd ever want to ask any

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Speaker 2: information about football, but from the numbers, it appears to

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Speaker 2: have been a close, perhaps tense game. Could also be important.

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Speaker 4: Tell us more about football, Well I will, but.

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Speaker 2: I'm leaving little Easter eggs here that we can call

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Speaker 2: back to later. Bread crumbs, bread crumbs, there you go.

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Speaker 2: That's a thank you, Payne Lindsay for that. There was

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Speaker 2: only one touchdown made by the Chiefs in the first quarter.

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Speaker 2: The Chargers came back with several field goals and they

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Speaker 2: were leading the game twelve to ten in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: but the winning field goal was made by the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter. It's one of those come back

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Speaker 2: from behind things. And by the way, they are currently

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Speaker 2: number one in the AFC West, whatever that means. Again,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if.

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Speaker 4: You'd both sports common data.

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Speaker 3: It's a good thing for the fans. You'll love to

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Speaker 3: see it. Also, also shout out to all our Australian listeners.

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Speaker 3: Got a message recently where someone asked me a similar question, Matt.

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Speaker 3: They were like, can you explain American football? And I

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Speaker 3: just said, tune in for halftime. It's a commercial written enterprise.

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Speaker 4: Can I say though, that the Chargers is clearly the

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Speaker 4: best name for a football team, the most descriptive name

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Speaker 4: for what that sport looks like. They got that one

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Speaker 3: So yeah, goo up there with gpsy concussions.

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Speaker 2: Enough again, guys, I don't know football, but I do

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Speaker 2: know true crime stories, and this is one of those.

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Speaker 2: After the game, guys, friends and family attempted to contact

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Speaker 2: three of the men present at that home in Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: There were text messages sent calls, messages sent out over

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Speaker 2: Sunday night when they're watching that game. On Tuesday, January ninth,

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Speaker 3: One question. So we say there's a fiance, and the

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Speaker 2: The fiance has been attempting to make contact. It was

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Speaker 2: As of today, Wednesday, January seventeenth, the causes of death

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Speaker 2: According to police, they are awaiting medical examiner results. Again,

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Speaker 2: Sure, they're also getting a ton of pressure from the

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Speaker 2: Clayton mcguiney. Mcguiney, I think is how you'd say that

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Speaker 2: can we get an hwigc.

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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 2: According to several sources close to this story, friends and

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Speaker 2: while Clayton's fiance broke in, and while the police arrived.

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Speaker 2: So there was a human being that rents that house.

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Speaker 2: It was home the whole time. They're also saying that

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Speaker 3: I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't sound good.

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Speaker 2: If anything, it means this person knows exactly what happened, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, unless there is some sort of extenuating circumstance

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Speaker 3: like so many people in the Midwest, struggling with substance

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, Matt, the window of time there

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Speaker 2: So let's jump to some writing by Chris Spargo from

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Speaker 2: Inside Edition. This was published on Monday, January fifteenth, to

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Speaker 2: those circumstances we're talking about there, Ben, there are several

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Speaker 2: one of those friends is Kaylee Lettier. And this is

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Speaker 2: a fairly long quote, but I think this is important stuff.

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Speaker 2: We have to keep in mind. This is a claim.

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Speaker 2: This is not an official statement. This is from Kaylee quote.

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Speaker 2: This man was inside his home alive while my friends

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Speaker 2: He knew people were looking for them. He read messages

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Speaker 2: it was getting colder and colder. It wasn't snowing a lot,

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Speaker 2: quite quite cold, right, so it is, but there is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Again, we don't know if any substances were involved

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Speaker 3: Well, sure, poison perhaps would be the badger in the bag, right.

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Speaker 2: Or the bad poisonous one, or you know, if everybody

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're talking about today. A podcast that Matt,

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Speaker 4: God is testing me.

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Speaker 5: You meet your soulmate. God brought us together. Your soulmate

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Speaker 2: you know, it's not again, it's not quite there because

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Speaker 2: it's not a person reacting in real time to an

435
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Speaker 2: audience the way his specials were.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like someone doing an impression of Carlin as

437
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: a voice actor, with jokes that he would have not

438
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: written because he would have done a better job, to

439
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 3: be honest. But also it reminds me, what's that old

440
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: Mitch Hedberg joke about he's on a movie set and

441
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: so he smoked fake weed with Willie Nelson and he

442
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 3: said that was a lot like the time I smoked

443
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: real weed with a guy who looked like Willy Nelson.

444
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 3: You know, like there's a it's an erosion of the

445
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Speaker 3: post truth environment, and I've got to be honest, Noel, Matt.

446
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: It's it's making me rethink the joke we made on

447
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: Instagram about AI coming for everyone.

448
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 4: Well yeah, no, yeah, for sure. And I think again,

449
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 4: what these guys got wrong in this presentation was a

450
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 4: messing with the legendary comedian. But that's and you know,

451
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 4: knowing that there are diehards that are going to come

452
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: for you. But maybe that's the point, you know, the

453
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: idea of killing your darlings or killing your idols or whatever,

454
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 4: that there's there's no nothing's off limits in comedy or whatever.

455
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 4: And it does seem again, those those Tom Hanks Wizard

456
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 4: videos are really funny, but no one would ever even

457
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 4: come close to mistaking those anything Tom Hanks actually participated in.

458
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 4: There's some other YouTubers and podcasts, YouTubers I guess more

459
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 4: specifically that use deep fakes to like put on the

460
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Speaker 4: face of a celebrity while they're doing the celebrities voice,

461
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: Like there's this one guy that does Gary Busey all

462
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 4: the time, and I think those are really funny and

463
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 4: use use of that technology. But also it's really clear

464
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 4: what you're looking at if you pay any attention. This

465
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 4: one and almost has the potential to like hurt some feelings, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, And so hold on, we didn't play the part

467
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: at the very beginning, as Jerry, it's a statement that

468
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: this is not George Carlin. This is dudeesy I am

469
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Speaker 2: this is an AI I am not. I am not

470
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Speaker 2: George Carlin. So like for me, people who are like

471
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: really upset about this, they're like outraged and hurt outside

472
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: of maybe the actual family of George Carlin. I feel

473
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 2: like that's performative because this is I have I have

474
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Speaker 2: to say that I feel it feels like I'm outraged

475
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Speaker 2: and I didn't even actually look into this thing deep enough,

476
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: right the guy here.

477
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 3: I listened to the whole special. You're right that that

478
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: disclaimer is explicit. It is quite clear, and it's at

479
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: the front of the special. However, counterpoint, we can make

480
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: the argument that many people who are hearing this are

481
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: going to be hearing clips of it rather than the

482
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Speaker 3: entirety of the thing, and those clips do not have

483
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Speaker 3: that sort of disclaimer. Now, as the idea of performative

484
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: upset goes, I totally get you on that. I think

485
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Speaker 3: you hit a really important point, which is that the

486
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Speaker 3: family is saying, why are you Why are you resurrecting

487
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: this guy and making a buck off of it? By

488
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Speaker 3: the way it is, it is monetized.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. That's actually a very valid point.

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Speaker 4: That's what I was going to bring up. And I

491
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 4: think mainly I'm thinking about the family here. I'm not

492
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 4: really that concerned with Internet, you know, outrage mongers. But

493
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 4: Kelly Carlin, the daughter of the late comedian, had this

494
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: to say my statement regarding the AI generated George Carlin special.

495
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: My dad spent a lifetime perfecting his craft from his

496
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 4: very human life, brain and imagination. No machine will ever

497
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: replace his genius. These AI generated products are clever attempts,

498
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 4: she acknowledges. They're clever at trying to recreate a mind

499
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 4: that will never exist. Again, Let's let the artists work

500
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: speak for itself. Humans are so afraid of the void

501
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 4: that we can't let what has fallen into it stay there.

502
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: Here's an idea. How about we give some actual living

503
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 4: human comedians I listen to, but if you want to

504
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: listen to the genuine George Carlin, he has fourteen specials

505
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 4: that you can find anywhere, and.

506
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Speaker 3: They're pretty good, by the way, folks, Sure, yeah, they're

507
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: all pretty great.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the greats. And I think Kelly Carlin

509
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: really nailed it. And I do want to again not

510
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 4: completely throw the DUDESI folks under the bus. In the

511
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: Vice article that talks about this, Matthew Galt, who starts

512
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Speaker 4: the article by talking saying how he's a diehard George

513
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 4: Carlin fan and he found this egregiously not anything goes

514
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: so far as to say it was offensive. But he really

515
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: just said he said it cannot be unseen and he

516
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: just found it to be worse than you could possibly imagine,

517
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: is what he said. But again to your point from

518
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 4: the story, maybe you said that's off air, Matt, but

519
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: some of these things are meant to be bad. It

520
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 4: is the comedy of cringe, you know, that's a culture

521
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: that we that definitely exists in, like alternative comedy. But

522
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Speaker 4: Will Sasso, who we talked about and all I think

523
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 4: three of us have been fans of his stuff in

524
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: the past, had this to say on the actual podcast

525
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 4: where they talked about this before they did it as clips.

526
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: I guess, and that's the format of the show, and

527
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: then they published the whole thing. But he said beat

528
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: me here, I guess, So let's just say it beat myself.

529
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: I personally don't want to hear a freaking song I'm

530
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: gonna swear like my kid does, freaking Nirvana song that's

531
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: not written by Kurt Cobain and played by freaking Nirvana.

532
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: I don't give a shoot. I don't give a shoot.

533
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: It's not real. It doesn't matter. Anyone can do an

534
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 4: impression z is doing an impression. I don't think a

535
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 4: new comic has anything to worry about because we need

536
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 4: new voices. And that's essentially what Kelly Carlin said as well,

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00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: So that disclaimer is in there too. So I guess

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Speaker 4: I think this is a lot of outrage over nothing.

539
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 4: I just think they may be miscuted a little bit,

540
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: not really anticipating the reaction. But Mike, my question is

541
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Speaker 4: to you guys, is there anything off limits? Like where

542
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: does the line between satire and ripoff exist with this

543
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 4: kind of technology? And is it I don't know when

544
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: is it okay? When is it not okay? What are

545
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: the guidelines? What are the where are the guideposts?

546
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: The guideline for good satire. Satire when it works, comes

547
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: from a place of respect, acknowledgment, and love. That's why

548
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: good satire works. That's why really really successful Saturday Night

549
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: live impressions that carry, that's why they often do well.

550
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: You know, if you see, for instance, if you see

551
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Speaker 3: the parody of Wes Anderson film as a horror movie,

552
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: it's coming from people clearly studied. They love Wes Anderson

553
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: and with Doodzi, you know, there's two storied comedians here,

554
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: students of their craft. They clearly, like anybody worth their salt,

555
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: as tremendous. They have tremendous respect for George Carlin. The

556
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: idea of whether or not something should be off limits,

557
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 3: it can be phrased as a complex question, but a

558
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: lot of that complex, like again to use the word

559
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: performative nuance around it, like, oh, it was a complicated issue.

560
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: What it's dodging is the idea of consent. Right. What

561
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 3: is off limits that to which one does not consent

562
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 3: being who is being paid homage here, paid tribute or

563
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: impersonated or mechanical turk here, it is a dead person

564
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: who cannot consent.

565
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: States And they were not consulted to just just put

566
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: that out there. I think that might have been part

567
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: of the outrage. On that end, they probably wouldn't have

568
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 4: given permission. I just want to add one last thing, like, well,

569
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: weird al you know famously, Well he doesn't have to

570
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: get permission because of parody laws. He always does because

571
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 4: I think it's just the smart move pr wise. You

572
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 4: know so, I think famously Prince would never consent to

573
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 4: allowing him to do a parody of a print song,

574
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: which is pretty on brand for Prince yeah, but he

575
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: could have done it because the law allows him to

576
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: do that as far as I'm aware.

577
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: Well, he's also making records for Sony right, which is no,

578
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: it's no small deal there. So, like I imagine, Yankevick

579
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: wants to dot his eyes and cross his t's if guys,

580
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: doesn't it feel like if you want to get like

581
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: maximum promotion for something, maximum people talking about it, do

582
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: something shocking because people get so angry they just have

583
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: to post about it and give their opinion. That's a

584
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: exactly what this.

585
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: Is very good for, Duzzy excellent point.

586
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: Then, yeah, I mean, honestly, I was hearing about all

587
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 4: the crazy stuff that Elon Musk is up to. And

588
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: while it does sound like that guy's mega spiraling and

589
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: probably on drugs of varying varieties, you know, you got

590
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: to wonder when someone has that much, that many resources

591
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 4: at their disposal and there really is no quote unquote losing,

592
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 4: isn't the name of the game just to be as

593
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 4: infuriating as possible, just so you don't get bumped from

594
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 4: the headlines. I think some of what he's doing is that,

595
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: and it's calculating. I think some of the other stuff

596
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 4: that he's doing, isn't that? But you know we see

597
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: it all the time. There's no bad press quote unquote.

598
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: If if you don't care, the crazy thing is.

599
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: Think about how many people heard about this story and

600
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Speaker 2: didn't actually listen to the episode or watch the episode

601
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: of the podcast. So they watched a clip right or

602
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: they write a headline like it. But they know what

603
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: Dudzy is now and they didn't know what Dudez was

604
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: a little before.

605
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: Hell Devil's Advocate. They know who George Carr Roland is now.

606
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 3: Man.

607
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of kids, you know who are

608
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: following this kind of stuff probably not aware of the

609
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: work of George Carlin. You know, there's a cutoff for

610
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 4: like the types of entertainers that my kid and their

611
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 4: generation are aware of. You know, when music, the knowledge

612
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: goes pretty far back, but when it comes to like actors,

613
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: certain comedians, there would be a massive blind spot in

614
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 4: that generation for a guy like George Carlin. So you know,

615
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: you could argue that this is exposing people to George

616
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: Carlin's work as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know this about the show. The creators

618
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: of The Dudzy Show have not revealed what company is

619
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Speaker 2: backing the show and the dudezy AI.

620
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Speaker 3: That's correct.

621
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Speaker 2: That's a wrinkle to me, a.

622
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Speaker 4: Little weird, like is it proprietary? Is it in service

623
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Speaker 4: to some you know what I mean? Like is it

624
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: training an AI for a company?

625
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

626
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: I think that's very very, very interesting and valliding to

627
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: bring up. And I wonder how long they're going to

628
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 4: milk that. I would argue that the story might cause

629
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 4: them to do a little damage control. I'll be interested

630
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 4: to see if maybe a reveal does come after the

631
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 4: backlash from this. But they definitely did what they set

632
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: out to do, which is to get some new listeners,

633
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: even if they're just hey listeners. But let's take a

634
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 4: quick break. We'll hear a word from our sponsor, which

635
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 4: is probably not an AI chat butt, and we'll be

636
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: back with one more piece of strange news.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of only reading the headlines, Boby, the world's oldest dog,

638
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 3: is being investigated for fraud. I sent this in a

639
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: group chat earlier because I love a good headline. Bobi

640
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: is being investigated, you know, obviously for claims about his age,

641
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: But in my head, guys, I love picturing the world's

642
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: oldest dog. Somehow, being like the subject of an investigation

643
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: for some street level crowd, like he's selling loose cigarettes

644
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: or he started MLM somewhere. Anyway, we've got we've got

645
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: a lot of headlines. We wanted to We wanted to

646
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: talk about something that we may have mentioned in years past,

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00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: which is now reaching a culminating point and hopefully bringing

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Speaker 3: justice to a great number of victims. Uh. You guys

649
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: remember Abercrombie and Fitch. You ever went into one of

650
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: those stores?

651
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 5: Yeah?

652
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: Who wear Abercrombie and Fitch in the summer.

653
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: I bought my son and jacket from there not long ago.

654
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: I hope everything's okay.

655
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Speaker 4: Are those the pants that are like pre distressed? Wasn't

656
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: that their thing? Don't they do that? Or is that

657
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: American ego? I think it's maybe.

658
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: That's every GA company.

659
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of money. You save a lot of

660
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: money selling them pre distressed, right, because you can lower

661
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 3: your QA standards, your quality assurance, and then you can

662
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: sell for a higher markup. And shout out to codename

663
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: Doc Holliday for also mentioning that song you ellude to.

664
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Speaker 3: This is quite a pickle. This is a real bag

665
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: of badgers. There is a former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch,

666
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: which I don't know about you all. I always sort

667
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 3: of associated it with the I would say, light jock,

668
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: light sporting demographic.

669
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: It's a bro brand.

670
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 3: The former CEO of Abercrombie and Fitch, Mike Jeffries, is

671
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: facing a couple of different lawsuits now thanks to some

672
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 3: excellent investigative work by our friends across the pond at

673
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: the BBC. What I'd like to do is walk through

674
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 3: the story. For anybody wants more information on this, please

675
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: do check out the World of Secrets podcast Season one.

676
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: The Abercrombie guys and as you know, fellow conspiracy realists,

677
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: we don't blow smoke when we recommend podcasts that we

678
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: think you would enjoy. This is not in any way

679
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: an ad for the work of these journalists. This is

680
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: not even something that is in our corporate overlord network.

681
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: This is just good work and it matters, so it's

682
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: worth checking out. Here's what happened. So the BBC does

683
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: an investigation into longstanding allegations of things like sexual abuse,

684
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: sexual discrimination, even unto sex trafficking. This triggered the FBI

685
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: FBI agents specifically specializing in sex crimes and federal prosecutors

686
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: from the Eastern District of New York to look into

687
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: the allegations right now, Mike Jefferies and his partner is

688
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 3: a British national, are also facing a civil lawsuit. This

689
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: is much deeper water the allegations. Oh and the British

690
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: partner here is Matthew Smith. So let's go to the

691
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 3: BBC directly. Rihanna Croxford writes the following FBI investigate after

692
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: ex Abercrombie boss sex claims. So Jeffries and Smith Matthew

693
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: Smith are accused of exploiting young men for sexual activities

694
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: at events they hosted in their New York residencies. They

695
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: have multiple residencies in New York and then across the

696
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: world at very high end hotels. No less than eight

697
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: men as of January twenty twenty four have told the

698
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: British broadcasters that they went to these events they were

699
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: coerced into sexual activity. This occurred in places like London, Paris,

700
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: Marrakesh for more than a decade from two thousand and

701
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Speaker 3: nine to twenty f fifteen. That's why I know that

702
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 3: we touched on this, or at least talked about it

703
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: off air in the past. Over the course of our

704
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: careers on the show, and what the BBC found includes

705
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 3: stuff like event itineraries, flight tickets, a very a very

706
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: strange kind of middleman. I'd like to share with you

707
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: guys an image of someone involved in this trafficking scheme.

708
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Oh yeah, okay, So I'm going to

709
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 3: share this. I want you guys to react to this

710
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: this and we'll tell you who it is. After you

711
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: see this picture. There we go, well, it's the guy,

712
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 3: not the dog.

713
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 4: The guy dog. What's going on with that guy's nose?

714
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 3: So he is missing his news?

715
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: He has is as hard a time with the picture

716
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 4: because it looks like a blur. It's weird. I wasn't

717
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 4: being able.

718
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Speaker 3: Let's do anything right, right right? He has a he

719
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: has a what look to be a snake skin prosthetic

720
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: over his nose. I'm just saying, this almost looks like

721
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 3: central casting for a villain.

722
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 4: Yes, it does. I was thinking of And initially he

723
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: looks kind of like Tommy why So from the room.

724
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: He just has this guy He's got a big lustrous

725
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: head of hair and the sunglasses and I don't know,

726
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: he just had that Tommy why So vibe.

727
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: So that middle man is named James Jacobson. The investigators

728
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: at the BBC or the journalist tracked him down. He

729
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 3: denied any wrongdoing and he said, look, certain adult activities

730
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: may have occurred, but all of the people involved went

731
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: to those events with quote their eyes wide open. And

732
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: he also, I don't know his testimony or his statements.

733
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 3: It's a little bit muddied right now because when the

734
00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: BBC went and contacted this guy, like knocked on his

735
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 3: door directly, he told them at the beginning, if you

736
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: keep me anonymous, let's make a deal and I'll tell

737
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: you everything. And the BBC said, no, we have to

738
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: tell the actual story. So good on you, folks. I

739
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: will pause here. I've got to ask. We've all heard

740
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: of Abercrombie and Fitch here in the US, but do

741
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: you guys remember these allegations or does this ring in

742
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: a distant bell?

743
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was. This hit the news a couple of

744
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: months ago. It just because, as you said, Ben, this

745
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 2: has been ongoing like for a while where information has

746
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: been coming out in little fits and starts. But it

747
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: does feel like this is at least this is the

748
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: most information we've ever seen in one place. Right, I'll

749
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: tell you.

750
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Speaker 4: One thing that always struck me a little odd about

751
00:42:54,280 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 4: Abercrombie were their ad campaigns that often involved very young, hairless,

752
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 4: scantily clad boys. That is, it's always something that struck

753
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 4: me about that. I just it was a little different.

754
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 4: And I know that, you know, the homore eroticism and

755
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 4: things like that have always been big in fashion, like

756
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 4: Calvin Klein and you know, briefs and you know, all

757
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 4: that stuff, and it's totally a thing, you know, but

758
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: Abercrombie's always kind of had a little more of that

759
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: than some brands, that know, as you seeing. And I

760
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 4: wonder if that was a culture, you know, or if

761
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: some of these abuses involved models or anything like that

762
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 4: as well.

763
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: Think back to twenty eleven, twenty twelve, when the news

764
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: about the very strange corporate guide to the private flights

765
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: broke like that, gosh, I don't remember any of this, Yeah,

766
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 3: that was Let me put a link in the chat here.

767
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: Here's something from huffingting Post what we see here. What

768
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: we see here is that the under the auspice or

769
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: under the guidance of Mike Jeffries, the corporate jet became

770
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: sort of a playground for this sort of exploitation and

771
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 3: the rules about dress behavior nomenclature. They were very specific.

772
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: They were also skirting the line of what would be

773
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: considered legally required from an employer toward an employee, like

774
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: they were just on the side of criminal.

775
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Basically, Oh, you want to be an abercrombian Fitch model,

776
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: then guess what. Here's here's the rules, as you said,

777
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: the rule book, and it's not it's probably not going

778
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: to be that fun for you.

779
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: It's under Yeah, there's a weird line in here about

780
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: the flight attendance and making them respond to names that

781
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 4: weren't their own, very kind of domb kind of behavior.

782
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: It would and you know, much like I think we're

783
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 4: all a little weirded out by the Chick fil A

784
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: my pleasure response. I think it rubs everybody the wrong

785
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: way a little bit. This one has them saying things

786
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: like no problem, like you know, very short, what's the word,

787
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: kind of affirmative kind of sub you know, like I

788
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 4: am here to serve. So that's yeah, but it's weird

789
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 4: in this context.

790
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: And I'm glad you mentioned the Chick fil A thing,

791
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 3: because I've brought that up on the past as well.

792
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: It's a weird flex. That Huffington Post article we mentioned

793
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: is by Alice Hines October eighteenth, twenty twelve, so this

794
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: story dates back much much further than the reporting that's

795
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: happening now. I'd like to, if it's okay, shout out

796
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: another great piece of journalism by Gloria Oledipo over at

797
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: The Guardian. This includes some some sobering quotes, and again

798
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 3: this may not be appropriate for all audiences. I'll read it.

799
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: Let's react. Quote. One man told the BBC that he

800
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: believed his drink had been spiked at an event after

801
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: Jeffries attempted to kiss him during a dance performance. The

802
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: man said that he fell asleep in a back room

803
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: and woke up to find a condom inside of him.

804
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: This is a quote. When I put things together, I

805
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: believe there is a very good possibility I was drugged

806
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: and raped. I'll probably never never know for sure the

807
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 3: answer to what happened. Most of the men who spoke

808
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: to the BBC said they felt degraded and harmed because

809
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: of their experience with Jeffreys and Smith. There was a

810
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: former model named Barrett Paul talking to the BBC. One

811
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: of the last quotes will give who says the following.

812
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: My feeling of being in that room was an animal.

813
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: I was not a human to any of these people.

814
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: I was a body. I was being presented someone to

815
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: do what they wanted with.

816
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I want to just walk not walk back,

817
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: but just clarify that when I was talking about how

818
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 4: some of these ad campaigns struck me in a certain way.

819
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 4: You know, there was a time when when we were younger,

820
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 4: I guess, or even in the two thousands, where kind

821
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: of queer culture wasn't front and center as much as

822
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: it is today. And then I think it's it's wonderful

823
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 4: that it is, and there's much more of a voice

824
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 4: for that culture in public conversation and pop culture and

825
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: all of that. But there was a time where it

826
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: was sort of like less mainstream and much more underground,

827
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: and this kind of fashiony queer coding kind of stuff

828
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 4: didn't seem to me to be a positive thing necessarily

829
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: for the queer community. It was more of like a

830
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 4: subjugation of that and sort of using it as like

831
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: a fashion brand, iconic kind of thing for a campaign.

832
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 3: Well. Also, Abercrombie has been accused in the past of

833
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: some pretty discriminatory and racist practices right this, Yeah, it's

834
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 3: a company that has had problems. I was looking in

835
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 3: deep to establish a timeline. I feel like there could

836
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 3: be a full episode here because folks need to know

837
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: stuff we could get into in a deeper dive, concerns

838
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 3: things like the Lex Wesner connection, which there is one,

839
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 3: by the way, troubling stuff. It could also involve questions

840
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 3: of why there was not more investigation earlier, because you guys,

841
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: Jeffries ran Abercrombie Fitch from nineteen ninety two to twenty fourteen,

842
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 3: So during that entirety of the time, these weird rules

843
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: on plane flights, the weird discrimination, the sexual quid pro

844
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 3: quo stuff that was happening the entire time. And right

845
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: now it's twenty twenty four, a decade later, and nothing

846
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: has been done. And it makes you think there are

847
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 3: a lot of similarities with some Epstein stuff here.

848
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 4: I remember this guy now that I'm looking at photos

849
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 4: of him, he looks perma surprised. Let's put it that way.

850
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 4: No shade on anyone that gets procedures done with this

851
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 4: guy's head had quite a few and yeah, he's definitely

852
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: going for that. Like I'm youthful until I'm dead in

853
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: the ground kind of fountain of youth vibe, and that

854
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 4: can really do a number on people's Brenton psyche and

855
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 4: they really live that life. You know, we know this

856
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 4: from hell, from all kinds of stories in history and

857
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: in you know, fantasy and fiction. Yeah.

858
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I never want to body shame

859
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: anybody for their appearance or how they present. But judging

860
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: on the behavior alone, the actions here, this is something

861
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 3: that feels like stuff they don't want you to to

862
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: know a long time in coming, and it makes me wonder.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have to be really careful not to

864
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Speaker 3: paint with two broad a brush and connect patterns or

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Speaker 3: recognized patterns where none exist. But the Wexner connection seems real.

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Speaker 3: This also reminds me of you know, I think that

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Speaker 3: was an excellent point about the dirty business of modeling

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Speaker 3: as an industry wherein that sort of abuse is simply tolerated.

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Speaker 3: It also makes me again, I just keep coming back

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Speaker 3: to it. You guys, why were there no investigations? You know,

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Speaker 3: it's like the It's like the Brian Singer question, remember

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Speaker 3: Brian Singer x men.

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Speaker 4: Totally Yeah, I mean, powerful people can pull strings make

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Speaker 4: things go away.

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Speaker 2: What did Singer do? I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: He had these Hollywood Hills parties with, you know, taking

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Speaker 4: advantage of young starry eyed kids coming to Hollywood to

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Speaker 4: make a name for themselves. And there's a specific kid

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Speaker 4: that spoke, you know, testified to some really gnarly stuff

880
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: alleged never alleged, yes, correct, but what he spoke to,

881
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: if true, very gnarly. And you know Singer kind of

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00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 4: he sort of bounced back from that, but never really

883
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Speaker 4: Like often happens, you know, you take a hit, you disappear,

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Speaker 4: you're not really dealing with major consequences, but you kind

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Speaker 4: of don't get to keep being the person you used

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Speaker 4: to be. There is that, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Sure from far enough away, maybe that looks like a consequence.

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Speaker 4: Now you're right, Ben right?

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Speaker 3: I mean I feel you on this too. You know.

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Speaker 3: For anybody who is looking into this at home, after

891
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: you get done with the BBC stuff, do check out

892
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 3: the Wexner Jeffreys connection, and do also check out the

893
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: stories about Brian Singer and Kevin Spacey. This is true stuff.

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Speaker 3: They don't want you to know. If you are hearing

895
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: this and you have been affected by these sorts of

896
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: unclean activities, then there are resources available counseling, therapy and

897
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 3: hopefully closure and justice.

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Speaker 4: Oh really quickly. It's not exactly an upnoe. It might

899
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Speaker 4: break your heart, Matt. You've probably heard about this, but

900
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Speaker 4: I meant to mention it at the end of the

901
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 4: Carlon bit. But apparently Wizards of the Coast have sheepishly

902
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 4: admitted to using AI in the design of their Magic

903
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: Cards series. And they initially denied it, And it's apparently

904
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Speaker 4: in a background image of something in their new series.

905
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 4: It's something about like a like a lovecrafty and manner

906
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 4: kind of situation. I remember what it's called.

907
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: Wait, but wasn't it Okay, Well, what I had seen

908
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: is that they had made a promotional image. That's right.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was a card. You're right, I'm

910
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Speaker 4: under saying the case, keep me honest.

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00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: Just because just because Wizards has been so amazing at

912
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: supporting incredible artists, right, So it would break my heart

913
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Speaker 2: if they actually did that. But I can yeah, I

914
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Speaker 2: can imagine a promo image utilizing it for that, but

915
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Speaker 2: maybe not wanting to admit it. But they did admit it.

916
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Speaker 2: They did it.

917
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Speaker 3: Speaking of supporting folks, so I want to make sure

918
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: we get this on air. The resources we're mentioning are

919
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: things like the National Sexual Assault Hotline. Here in the

920
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: US it is eight hundred six five six four six

921
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Speaker 3: seven to three. There are so many other stories we

922
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Speaker 3: didn't get to. Eighty two percent of Americans can't afford

923
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Speaker 3: a new car. There is a Kentucky politician who is

924
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Speaker 3: going to fail, I think, to try to legalize getting

925
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Speaker 3: frisky with your cousin. The Paris Review has a fantastic

926
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Speaker 3: article out now about a creative writing group based in

927
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Speaker 3: the CIA with CIA operatives. It's called Invisible Ink. All

928
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Speaker 3: this and more.

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Speaker 2: That was so good. By the way, did you read

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Speaker 2: that article? I did.

931
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so good.

932
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Speaker 2: But did you say getting risky or frisky with your risky.

933
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Speaker 3: Visit the long term? Genetically, it's risky activity. Shout out,

934
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Speaker 3: hat shout out. So we can't wait to hear from you,

935
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Speaker 3: folks in future episodes. We hope you are having wonderful

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. We'll be back later this week with

937
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Speaker 3: messages from you, with some deep dives into some strange

938
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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: join us. We can't wait to hear from you.

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Speaker 4: That's right. You can find us all over the internet.

941
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Speaker 4: We exist the handle conspiracy Stuff on YouTube, x FKA, Twitter,

942
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Speaker 4: and also Facebook where we have our Facebook group. Here's

943
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: where it gets crazy, where Ben, I think somebody posted

944
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 4: on that group a piece of comic book art fan fiction.

945
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: I get maybe it wasn't full fan fiction, but it

946
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: was definitely a page or so out of a comic

947
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: project that featured you and Matt and I as like

948
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Speaker 4: kind of a D and D party of some sort

949
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Speaker 4: on the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I said it to you guys in a group chat.

952
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Speaker 3: We're gonna shout. We're gonna shout out our fellow conspiracy

953
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Speaker 3: realist on listener mail. We love that kind of stuff.

954
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Speaker 3: Though in the story we are halflings who help investigate

955
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Speaker 3: a case of poisoning slash murder?

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Speaker 2: Are there more panels in now? Was trying to figure

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Speaker 2: out what was going on?

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Speaker 3: Yet? I believe they are.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I can't wait to read the rist And we

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Speaker 4: also exist the handle conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram and TikTok.

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