Speaker 1: That's creativity because you don't know nothing else. Anything else
Speaker 1: is assumption because you ain't been involved. And if I'm
Speaker 1: telling you as an outstanding member that the rap shits
Speaker 1: a lot of room in that, and I ain't calling
Speaker 1: the rap brothers all cap I want my rap friends
Speaker 1: to know. But I'm telling you the streets is a
Speaker 1: weird place, homie. The streets is a fucking weird place
Speaker 1: that you ain't never ever ever seen. I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: For them dudes to survive down there, they had to
Speaker 1: operate a certain way. I don't see him having enough
Speaker 1: money to get out of that at that time when
Speaker 1: he passed away. Again, rip Vaughan, because I you know,
Speaker 1: were just talking about a man like a man. Mama
Speaker 1: ain't involved. And that's what I need you to understand.
Speaker 1: When you running around without any kind of degree of
Speaker 1: diploma diagnosing men in a culture you ain't had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with.
Speaker 2: What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit?
Speaker 3: What about the seven mothers of the people that here?
Speaker 1: What are you giving them about? What are you giving
Speaker 1: him by making a YouTube documentary? And with you the
Speaker 1: only one benefit from they need to getting none from
Speaker 1: their documentary homing.
Speaker 3: What what about? What about the millions of dollars Von
Speaker 3: made making music making fun of their dead relatives?
Speaker 2: What you got to do with that? Is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Because I'm reporting on Ex's facts.
Speaker 2: That's okay, So you're gonna just car it facts you.
Speaker 3: Got just bro Okay, Okay, but like here's the thing. Okay, bro,
Speaker 3: but here's the thing. Okay. But not to be disrespectful,
Speaker 3: but I think I got a three and a half
Speaker 3: hour documentary going piece by piece into Von's own statements
Speaker 3: that he said he killed people, he killed witnesses. You
Speaker 3: know these are Von's own statements, right, And your argument
Speaker 3: is it's all cap and I just.
Speaker 2: Don't margin entertainment.
Speaker 1: You're dealing with shit this on beats, with production that's
Speaker 1: been put out to the public. See you you you
Speaker 1: you're framing it like you got it, like the FBI,
Speaker 1: like you've done tap somebody phone, like you listened then
Speaker 1: on a hell of a conversation. You're listening to music
Speaker 1: and entertainers speak creatively out in public, and then you
Speaker 1: going home with your obsession and creating some sort of
Speaker 1: thing out of our culture. When I'm trying to tell
Speaker 1: you ain't homie listen to me, Homie, Nah nah, They
Speaker 1: saying Vonn want them real niggas in this rap game
Speaker 1: and rap game flow anytime we talking, ain't nobody listen.
Speaker 1: Nobody really from my culture gonna sit next to you
Speaker 1: and say Vonn killed.
Speaker 2: Anybody understand that?
Speaker 3: That's that? I agree, and I think that's that's disgusting.
Speaker 3: Why because you've got seven people who allegedly lost their
Speaker 3: lives at the hands of this man, and I think
Speaker 3: they deserve justice or at least closure.
Speaker 2: Closure don't come through you.
Speaker 3: Respecting them.
Speaker 1: Listen, this is the problem I even have with ten ninety.
Speaker 1: Closures don't come through you. Closure for them, folks don't
Speaker 1: come through No white man in the UK, with all
Speaker 1: due respect, because I like.
Speaker 3: Von von Is, unfortunately you know no longer with us.
Speaker 3: What do you say about the five people who are
Speaker 3: currently in custody for the murder of FBG Duck?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? What do I say? I say,
Speaker 2: all Peter FBG Duck.
Speaker 1: I'm a general, right, so I ain't involved in them niggas, Beef.
Speaker 1: I'm coming from the South with some game. I'm a
Speaker 1: game bang. I put game down. I got rich from talking.
Speaker 1: I'm letting folks know how to elevate from out of
Speaker 1: that water that you keep coming on. That damn near
Speaker 1: drown me, that drowned a lot of my homeboys. I'm
Speaker 1: teaching niggas how to get out of that, and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you, homie, but you don't want to
Speaker 1: accept because you keep talking to me. I don't nobody
Speaker 1: to die in this culture. L r Ip Duck Vaughn,
Speaker 1: any boy, all them niggas. I hope all of us
Speaker 1: understand that we kings and the rise up. But I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that the understanding of our culture is off
Speaker 1: when you talking about it. You diagnosed the man. What
Speaker 1: about his children? They got a girl stand He called
Speaker 1: him a serial killer.
Speaker 2: He ain't even been convicted.
Speaker 3: This is a really interesting one because most people say
Speaker 3: this to men, and no one seems to think like
Speaker 3: his children are up hearing him in a million songs
Speaker 3: talk about he's entertainment.
Speaker 1: You made a documentary, Damn like the news speaking with conviction.
Speaker 3: He's been on the news a million times. Was it
Speaker 3: was the Atlanta local news wrong for talking about him
Speaker 3: catching an alleged motiicator an attempted motive case like, but
Speaker 3: the fact.
Speaker 1: Listen to what I'm saying. The way that the news
Speaker 1: reported is totally different. They report someone was arrested for
Speaker 1: a crime. You reported that a man was a serial killer.
Speaker 1: You're gonna put.
Speaker 2: Them to on you talking the loone. I've got rich talking. Brother.
Speaker 2: I listen, you're talking to me.
Speaker 1: You telling me them the same cause they say, Yo, rapper,
Speaker 1: King Vaughn rap a little Dirk arrested. You telling me
Speaker 1: that's the same from you sitting down saying King Vaughn
Speaker 1: raps first serial killer, A.
Speaker 2: Nigga, ain't never did nothing. That got nothing to do
Speaker 2: with nothing.
Speaker 3: Don't even again, he didn't. He can't say he did nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about you. I'm saying your interpretation of it.
Speaker 1: I'm saying you looking at it, but I think you
Speaker 1: missed you you reading it wrong.
Speaker 2: That's my perception. That's I'm king vo Go ahead.
Speaker 3: King King Von meets the f definition of a serial killer.
Speaker 2: That's false.
Speaker 3: Facts, that's fact.
Speaker 2: That's false. Pull it up.
Speaker 3: He does. It's in the video.
Speaker 2: I looked at facts.
Speaker 3: It's facts.
Speaker 2: He is not a serial killer.
Speaker 3: More than three more than three motive.
Speaker 2: He has been convicted no more than.
Speaker 3: A month of time. He said he killed the witness.
Speaker 3: He said he killed the witness, he said.
Speaker 2: He killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm let's let's keep it that in. We are human, right.
Speaker 1: Have you ever exaggerated, trap Lord Ross? Have you ever
Speaker 1: been hold on? Trap Lord Ross? Have you ever been
Speaker 1: paid to exaggerate? Trap Lord Ross. We're trying to get
Speaker 1: out the ghetto. People like you so infatuated with our
Speaker 1: culture and the criminal element of it, they paying us.
Speaker 2: We're trying to get out the ghetto. Homie.
Speaker 1: You don't think we'll put a little cap on it
Speaker 1: to come out the ghetto.
Speaker 2: You niggas like you obsessed with I can sell you,
Speaker 2: ain't it? God damn thing.
Speaker 1: If I'm king Vaughan, you don't think I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: a little our moanent.
Speaker 3: Don't really did that? And everyone said he was real.
Speaker 3: He's everybody said. When Von was like, Von is the realist,
Speaker 3: no cap. Von called out young boy and said, you
Speaker 3: got cap in your wraps. You're saying, you're saying Von
Speaker 3: have capp in his wraps like he told young boy.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that we will exaggerate if we're paid to exaggerate.
Speaker 3: But we're not.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, because I want to know that he's I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about Von. This is the whole point I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get you to understand. I'm yeah, because you're obsessed
Speaker 1: with Vaughn. But I'm telling you that this Vaughn is
Speaker 1: a product of the culture. Our culture produces a certain thing.
Speaker 1: We are trying to get out of our circumstances.
Speaker 2: All we ever had was ball playing and rapping. The nigga.
Speaker 2: They done told us that they'll pay us if we exaggerate.
Speaker 2: He might be the.
Speaker 1: Realist nigga in the world. I might be the realist.
Speaker 1: But if I get on the wrap and can't, no
Speaker 1: nigga say I'm lying. Like me, I might tell a
Speaker 1: nigga nigga, I sold a thousand bricks in a day.
Speaker 1: He who gonna say I'm laying when they know I hamm,
Speaker 1: they can't count.
Speaker 2: But if so, listen, But.
Speaker 3: If you but if you said you were selling a
Speaker 3: thousand bricks a day, and you'd been in court for
Speaker 3: selling bricks and you beat the case, and you were
Speaker 3: on a song saying I killed the witness, like, I
Speaker 3: just don't think. I just think that that's I'm just
Speaker 3: talking about Von. I'm not trying to characterize an entire
Speaker 3: group of But you got cap rappers. There are plenty
Speaker 3: of cap rappers. Von wasn't one.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, listen, I want you to understand that
Speaker 1: the rap culture is exaggerated, sir. I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: you understand that the cars isn't a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: some of the jury is rented. The culture is exaggerated.
Speaker 1: You are so obsessed with it that you have bit
Speaker 1: this shit and believe that every you've took in tweets
Speaker 1: and diagnosed the man.
Speaker 2: What the fuck do you say to that?
Speaker 3: Well? As I said before, you know, I am a widow.
Speaker 3: Like not many people want to sit and make a
Speaker 3: three and a half hour documentary on Von, so I
Speaker 3: don't know. I can't tell you why, but all I
Speaker 3: will tell you is that I I read every single
Speaker 3: tweet King Voon ever made in his entire life, which
Speaker 3: not a lot of people trying to do. And that's
Speaker 3: a weird thing, and that's obsessive. And people might say
Speaker 3: that's sus or something.
Speaker 2: I paid up when you've done it.
Speaker 3: Not at all. No, no, no, that's the thing. I
Speaker 3: read every tweet King Von ever made because I was
Speaker 3: I was doing the story. My intention for this story,
Speaker 3: and I've said it before, I was trying to debunk.
Speaker 3: I was actually hoping, not hoping, but I was thinking,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna he said. Vaughn said a million times, I've
Speaker 3: got seven bodies. Talk about bodies. I got several bodies.
Speaker 3: I got a few three plus four. Von was talking
Speaker 3: about you have seven bodies.
Speaker 2: My intention was talking about it. He was rapping about it.
Speaker 1: And it's on music that's produced and has millions of
Speaker 1: dollars involved with it. They pay to project he got
Speaker 1: more than five O they pet They pay our rabbers
Speaker 1: to project violence. They've told our rappers to exaggerate criminal
Speaker 1: culture and sell it to our children.
Speaker 3: They I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing taking I'm talking about Yeah, but you're
Speaker 4: taking his tweets, no convictions, you're taking his tweets and
Speaker 4: diagnosing him without a degree of diploma.
Speaker 3: I'm going by the FBI definitions. And you did say
Speaker 3: earlier you said you know if there was an FBI conviction. Well,
Speaker 3: I'm going by the FBI definition of a serial killer.
Speaker 3: I'm going by the tweets where he himself said he
Speaker 3: killed this person killed I can name five gdsst I'll
Speaker 3: even give you because eight years before he was rapping,
Speaker 3: he said, I killed five gends.
Speaker 2: I'll even give you the fact before i'll give you.
Speaker 1: I'll even give you the fact if you want to
Speaker 1: go by the FBI definition.
Speaker 2: But the next sentence is where you're wrong.
Speaker 1: When he said, all right, I'm going by the FBI definition,
Speaker 1: and I'm also going by his tweets, Well, that's where
Speaker 1: you're wrong. You're going by man tweets. Ain't anything that
Speaker 1: you that you didn't do. Have you ever lied on
Speaker 1: a tweet, misrepresenting anything on the Instagram post, misrepresenting anything
Speaker 1: on social media? Or you just that one guy out
Speaker 1: that is never ever putting up on social media that
Speaker 1: in the moment, like I posted the other day.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 1: Yes, today I had to delete it because I told
Speaker 1: somebody I hit my ex and I told her because
Speaker 1: she's been good to me. I said, I'm gonna send
Speaker 1: you a fitty piece. You've been real good to me, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna seen you fitted recks. Don't you know she
Speaker 1: just liked the thing. She didn't say thank you, So
Speaker 1: I didn't send it and I posted about it. I said,
Speaker 1: how about I just told this motherfucker I said, I
Speaker 1: would go sit here and then girls go to comment.
Speaker 1: I had to delete it because it wasn't even It's like, damn,
Speaker 1: mightna got it? I let my emotions trick me. So
Speaker 1: have you ever posted something that wasn't true or that
Speaker 1: you exaggerated?
Speaker 3: This is a good question. I'll be completely honest. I
Speaker 3: probably have a long time ago, but I personally in
Speaker 3: my own life, with the maturity of maybe the last
Speaker 3: five or six years and before, like during the whole
Speaker 3: having success on YouTube, my personal philosophy on life is
Speaker 3: I don't respect lying, or I don't really respect I
Speaker 3: think it's dishonorable to lie about your circumstances, to try
Speaker 3: and present yourself as something you're not. I don't wear
Speaker 3: fancy jewelry. I don't wear fancy clothes, like I've got
Speaker 3: a nice set of shoes. Maybe, but like I, even
Speaker 3: though I love hip hop and I like you know,
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with the flashy element of hip hop, I
Speaker 3: try and live a humble and honest life because those
Speaker 3: are my personals.
Speaker 1: You lie when you called him a serial killer without convictions,
Speaker 1: that was a lie.
Speaker 3: I disagree because I think that there's plea of other
Speaker 3: evidence that I'm not trying to convict him in a
Speaker 3: court of law. I'm just trying to make.
Speaker 2: You can't supersede the court of law, especially on a
Speaker 2: murder he did.
Speaker 3: He said he killed the witness.
Speaker 2: He did.
Speaker 1: Yo, you're superseding the court of law. They don't even
Speaker 1: call him a murderer at all. You skip all of
Speaker 1: that and call him a serial killer.
Speaker 3: I believe if Vaughan was still alive, he would be
Speaker 3: in the Rico case with the five people who killed
Speaker 3: their FPG Duck, and I think they would have been diagnesstic.
Speaker 3: That's my genuine and.
Speaker 1: Hey, so to your belief but we can't eat our beliefs.
Speaker 1: Beliefs don't do a nigga damn thing. That shit don't
Speaker 1: mean nothing. Let me ask you this, what the fuck
Speaker 1: was out in the assu What was we just talking about?
Speaker 3: Trel my personal beliefs, not being not flashing and presenting
Speaker 3: yourself for something or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, so online you've never you've you've never,
Speaker 1: Oh this is what I was gonna say. Do you
Speaker 1: I believe you know this? You're content creator? Do you
Speaker 1: know that there's an arena where you benefit from laying online.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know that's true. But here's the thing. My
Speaker 3: whole thing, my whole thing, and if you watch my videos,
Speaker 3: anybody that is a fan of me will say my thing.
Speaker 3: For the all the years that I've been making content,
Speaker 3: I try and keep everything as real as factual. I
Speaker 3: do a lot more research than other channels. I try
Speaker 3: and come, look, nobody else is looking at every tweet
Speaker 3: King Voon ever did. And there's been there's been loads
Speaker 3: of other videos about him being a serial what mads,
Speaker 3: there's a video about Oh that's the thing. I'll go
Speaker 3: back a minute ago is that I heard von saying
Speaker 3: so many songs he killed seven people that I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I just want to check. I want to
Speaker 3: find out did he did he kill seven people?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 3: Is there and is there anything to go on? And
Speaker 3: one of the things VN was famous for was tweeting
Speaker 3: about his ops. It's known all of his tweets are
Speaker 3: still there on Twitter. I just went all the way
Speaker 3: back to the start and I said, you know what,
Speaker 3: let me just read these and I'll just sit I'll
Speaker 3: just see what I can learn and I'll be honest.
Speaker 3: I was genuinely surprised once I started going through and
Speaker 3: then realizing, hang on, he's saying here, like, l ol,
Speaker 3: who died today? And then I'm looking at the news
Speaker 3: article for the guy that died and it's fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: before he tweeted. So I just keep going.
Speaker 2: Through looking for a nail man.
Speaker 3: You I can understand what you went. I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: So you're like, yo, he killed seven people.
Speaker 1: All I'm looking for now his clues to put together
Speaker 1: seven things that the police didn't put together.
Speaker 3: Sure, but but I didn't know this is the thing,
Speaker 3: right when I you are right. But when I started
Speaker 3: looking at his tweets, I didn't know that I would
Speaker 3: find all of this stuff where he's literally tweeting after
Speaker 3: the murder shot him in six shots to the face,
Speaker 3: l M A O and ship or like who died?
Speaker 2: Early?
Speaker 3: Bird gets the worm when he's when somebody has been
Speaker 3: killed that morning, like it's And I'll admit, look, I'm
Speaker 3: not I'm not a federal investigator. I've got bonds because
Speaker 3: Von everybody said Von was the realist rapper. He's on
Speaker 3: the song saying he's got I looked up Dirk millions
Speaker 3: of interviews were Dirk saying, Von's the realist. There's hell, okay,
Speaker 3: the rap industry, little Dirk, I mean okay, uh, Little
Speaker 3: Dirk said, Von's the realist.
Speaker 2: Look how hard this is for you to guarantee.
Speaker 3: This is from memory? Take take no, I give it
Speaker 3: to you. I give it. I believe, take a pond.
Speaker 3: Take let me. I don't even know Tay six hundred,
Speaker 3: but this is what I mean. I know, So Tay
Speaker 3: six hundreds on interviews talking about kings up up in
Speaker 3: the morning, ready to drill at seven am, and you being.
Speaker 1: Paid for interviews, paid interviews. You're taking all this out
Speaker 1: of context. Again, you're acting like the Fears and thinking
Speaker 1: that you're getting in on tap conversations or you preve
Speaker 1: youw to some information. These are interviews that people are
Speaker 1: being paid for, rap lyrics that King Vaughan is being
Speaker 1: paid for their incentivized our rappers to lie and exaggerate
Speaker 1: criminal culture to our children. And you bit debate and
Speaker 1: you're telling me, standing member, but.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, and I'm I'm really I'm enjoying this
Speaker 3: conversation because I think it's I think it's it's good
Speaker 3: and it's interesting to hear the different perspectives and see
Speaker 3: where maybe I'm coming short. But I think what's important
Speaker 3: is to understand. So your perspective is it just so
Speaker 3: I understand it is essentially that hip hop in general
Speaker 3: is embellished to a certain degree. So what you're saying
Speaker 3: to your premise that you're saying to me is that
Speaker 3: we can't take any of King Von's statements, his tweets,
Speaker 3: his lyric or his interviews or anybody that Nuveon that
Speaker 3: was in tweets interviews saying he was the realist. We
Speaker 3: have to disregard all of that and we can only
Speaker 3: go on the government criminal federal conviction.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm saying. Exactly what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is we need to frame this as what it is
Speaker 1: and the arena we found it in, which was entertainment, rap
Speaker 1: lyrics on produced beats that's giving out to the public
Speaker 1: with millions of dollars of marketing involved in it, and
Speaker 1: we need to recognize the structure that it's a part of,
Speaker 1: which is exaggerate criminal culture for benefit. You may not
Speaker 1: understand what lane do for a man where we come from,
Speaker 1: but sometimes where we come from lank and get you
Speaker 1: from shit to sugar. Lank can get you from know
Speaker 1: where A stated in that girl house. Some of these
Speaker 1: guys come up like that.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 1: I pay for everything. I don't lie. I don't have
Speaker 1: to lie. But I'm telling you that some people live
Speaker 1: like that in this culture. There's things in this culture
Speaker 1: that you don't understand because you didn't come up here.
Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, brother, that it's too any different
Speaker 1: ever news to be to benefit from when you exaggerate
Speaker 1: criminal culture for me to say, Yo, he ain't been convicted.
Speaker 1: I can't let you call him a serial killer, a
Speaker 1: real nigga.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, fuck it.
Speaker 1: They called him a real nigga. Fuck it, serial killer,
Speaker 1: Damn brother.
Speaker 3: I kind of I do kind of agree with the
Speaker 3: first part because at the end of the day, in general,
Speaker 3: you are right. But the area where we disagree on
Speaker 3: is this that when King Vohn was alive, everybody said
Speaker 3: he was the realist. And I guess I'm now understanding
Speaker 3: where we really disagree is that you say that there's
Speaker 3: this culture of lying for benefit, for financial benefit, to
Speaker 3: build up this image, and you're essentially saying that Vaughn
Speaker 3: and the people around him were perpetrating this falsehood that
Speaker 3: Von was this saying Again my disagreement is that I
Speaker 3: believe Von when he said he killed all these people
Speaker 3: because everyone said he was.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, the first thing you said was right about me,
Speaker 1: which framing of the culture in regards to they benefit
Speaker 1: from exaggeration, right one. The second part of the second
Speaker 1: part I need you to understand that I'm saying is
Speaker 1: is that.
Speaker 2: Fuck, I just lost my fucking point. What were we
Speaker 2: talking about? What did I just say before that that?
Speaker 2: What did you say? I said? I mean you said
Speaker 2: that they were they was lying, they were capping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing that I'm saying. Everybody said, Okay.
Speaker 1: So the second part was they're saying Voughn was real
Speaker 1: in comparison to the rappers because the rappers, again, a
Speaker 1: lot of these rap guys again have been placed here.
Speaker 1: I've been in studio sessions where high priority rap guys
Speaker 1: need to know how many grams is in the ounce,
Speaker 1: how many ounces is in the key, how much do
Speaker 1: a brick cost, what's going on?
Speaker 2: How much they want right now? For some what is
Speaker 2: ice this that they don't know? Right?
Speaker 1: And they in that position, you hear about people talk
Speaker 1: about drugs that don't do drugs.
Speaker 2: You hear certain certain things.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying that he is real in comparison to
Speaker 1: the arena that they've placed him me and to have
Speaker 1: anything on his name, to have any kind of he'll
Speaker 1: jump out. And I know he was a gangster, cause
Speaker 1: look how you jump out on Ron though he.
Speaker 2: Was on goal.
Speaker 1: I all say them niggas right there, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: so any kind of that on a nigga is say
Speaker 1: in this game, oh he oh, he wanted them because
Speaker 1: these boys ain't gonna do nothing. They let you hang
Speaker 1: him off the balance to they let you get him
Speaker 1: in a room.
Speaker 2: And take their money, rob him for millions.
Speaker 1: You understand, ain't listen, that would beat no robbing the
Speaker 1: loon in the game. I'm going to jail about that.
Speaker 1: I'm loud about that. You understand, these boys that get
Speaker 1: robbed for millions, these rap niggas man millions and go
Speaker 1: back to the ghetto with a nigga eating off they shit.
Speaker 1: These boys will lie to get out of these circumstances.
Speaker 2: Brother, And that's one fact. Vonn is specific.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that they saying he was a real
Speaker 1: nigga in compare they're sin tall thist.
Speaker 2: Fuck shit. That's in the industry.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: I'm quoted the realist.
Speaker 1: Nigga out every nigga in the game loved me everybody
Speaker 1: because ain't nobody never talk like this. They know I'm
Speaker 1: they listen, they know I got the text on me.
Speaker 1: It's clear nobody's never talked like this every But guess what,
Speaker 1: I'm only real.
Speaker 2: It's real niggas than me.
Speaker 1: I tell in the streets, we're talking about niggas that's
Speaker 1: maintaining millions of dollars in the.
Speaker 2: Streets and controlling their neighborhoods. I'm controlling the internet. You
Speaker 2: feel me.
Speaker 1: It's a different thing. Even though I was a boss
Speaker 1: on the street, I ain't there no more. I'm here now.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, bruh. In comparison to I look
Speaker 1: at Vaughn. I think everybody around Vaughn was saying, naw,
Speaker 1: he's still a nigga. Can't play with Vaughn. He still
Speaker 1: he'll found you right now playing. He'll crank the fight
Speaker 1: off now. He wanted them like he and you took
Speaker 1: that to me. Everything he say was the truth or
Speaker 1: all the ord is. He wasn't convicted off he did,
Speaker 1: or he's a serial killer again to say he was
Speaker 1: involved in ship.
Speaker 2: That's one thing. The serial killer is where you lost me.
Speaker 2: I said, Damn, he lost me. He lost me.
Speaker 1: The boy got children, the boy got a mama. That's legacy.
Speaker 1: Talk three hours, that's legacy.
Speaker 3: To still you can still be a serial killer if
Speaker 3: you've got children, if you've got a family, if you
Speaker 3: did good but convicted.
Speaker 1: Ain't talking about that. I'm talking about you skipped the
Speaker 1: first part.
Speaker 3: You gotta read all his tweets.
Speaker 2: Man, I can't go off tweets, my nigga. You know
Speaker 2: I read tweeted something.
Speaker 1: I just gave you a whole example of something I
Speaker 1: tweeted that was bullshit.
Speaker 2: I can't go off.
Speaker 1: Tweet to the rappers in the game.
Speaker 3: Bro, What are all the Fun's friends gonna say when
Speaker 3: they hear your saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't say cap I say he real. In regards
Speaker 1: to the rappers in the game, I know you want
Speaker 1: to frame it that way, but they know I'm to go. Everybody. Brother,
Speaker 1: everybody know I'm to go every They ain't check out
Speaker 1: with me. Everybody know I'm gonna go. I get to
Speaker 1: talk like this what I said about Vaughn is in
Speaker 1: comparison to the rappers, they gonna place him amongst the realists, right.
Speaker 1: But as far as you convicting him of being a
Speaker 1: serial killer without evidence, I know they want me to
Speaker 1: stand up for that.
Speaker 2: I know they no loan no, only nigga can talk
Speaker 2: like that. Get that, get that straight long.
Speaker 1: I'm the only niggn doing Everybody, you don't talk to you,
Speaker 1: don't smother them.
Speaker 2: I'm the only nigga can do this. Nobody else can.
Speaker 1: And I ain't saying I'm saying, give you another understanding
Speaker 1: of what the circumstances are.
Speaker 2: Nobody else could do it.
Speaker 3: I get where you're coming from. Aut I do respect you.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, but I still think he did all that.
Speaker 1: H that's real. I can't take that from you. What
Speaker 1: you think about ten ninety j Man.
Speaker 3: I love ten nighty Man shouts tonight, Jake. I know
Speaker 3: that at the moment, a lot of people are not
Speaker 3: feeling him. I think we're actually in a real interesting
Speaker 3: era of hip hop. And it relates to a US
Speaker 3: conversation because I think this is a really I think
Speaker 3: it's a really good topic because hip hop and I
Speaker 3: say this at the start of the King Von documentary.
Speaker 3: Hip hop has always been a genre that's always been
Speaker 3: about realness both is this person real? Are they telling
Speaker 3: the real version of their story? Or is this embellished?
Speaker 3: Is this a fake version of the story. And I
Speaker 3: think something that's really big and hip hop in the
Speaker 3: last few years, especially since the six nine case, is
Speaker 3: our people solid? Are people not snitching? Is this guy
Speaker 3: really solid? Is this guy a snitch? And I think
Speaker 3: the ten Knight Jake.
Speaker 1: Hold on before we minded, because that was a good point.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that a little before we get to him.
Speaker 1: What I think is the circumstances of a lot of
Speaker 1: these gentlemen changed. I believe you can be solid in
Speaker 1: the streets and a sucker in the industry. I believe
Speaker 1: that once you get some money, you could say I
Speaker 1: vowed never to go back to that, even though I
Speaker 1: was with whatever when I was out there. But lord,
Speaker 1: I ain't never going back if it means I'm stitching
Speaker 1: and see that ain't my style. But I understand when
Speaker 1: some of these boys go to jail. The boy got mansions,
Speaker 1: ten thousand square feet, six or seven women, Bentley trucks,
Speaker 1: private jets. The boy want to go home, and they
Speaker 1: probably ain't really cut like that to begin with. If
Speaker 1: you check a lot of these dudes records, they may
Speaker 1: never been in trouble. So you again, you looking at
Speaker 1: the I'm trying to tell you, behind the curtain, it's
Speaker 1: a nigga struggling to get out of poverty.
Speaker 2: What do that take? Nigga called me up? Ain't long?
Speaker 2: I need a necklace? Ain't long?
Speaker 1: I need to watch bro. I'm trying to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my rap thing. If you're a
Speaker 1: big home and you still in, you gotta respect that.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, because again, everybody fighting to
Speaker 1: get out a lot of times, a lot of times
Speaker 1: you look in the backdrop, it's somebody else money back there.
Speaker 1: That's why I take pride and moving by myself when
Speaker 1: I make qcpe them, niggas say you by yourself. I'm
Speaker 1: by myself, you feel me? Because I want ain't nobody
Speaker 1: funding this operation. I'm CEO talent everything. I'm him right,
Speaker 1: and so I want people to know that because I
Speaker 1: need people to know it's possible to do it like that,
Speaker 1: cause people thank you.
Speaker 2: You gotta click up.
Speaker 1: That's what's causing a lot of this ricoing because a
Speaker 1: lot of niggas clicking up when they ain't ready for that.
Speaker 1: You don't got no business doing that because when it
Speaker 1: hit the fan, you're gonna fumble every time, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I think that the circumstances sometimes
Speaker 1: have changed. Right, So again, you could be a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys maybe halfway solid in the street, may
Speaker 1: done have the bed before they do undone and shit
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe got a couple of criminal charges, but
Speaker 1: now thene got three million. Now I got this big crib,
Speaker 1: I got three bad bitches.
Speaker 2: It's light.
Speaker 1: I'm living and I'm strung out on drugs. See that's
Speaker 1: the other part. You gotta put that in your pipe
Speaker 1: and smoking niggas is strung on drugs. They can't go
Speaker 1: three four days without some of that shit at hurt.
Speaker 1: That first week in jail is torture. So now they
Speaker 1: they again, I think it's all of that. But but
Speaker 1: what do you say to that? I want I just
Speaker 1: wanted to stop you because I think that it's somewhere
Speaker 1: along the lines these dudes' minds are changed in which
Speaker 1: they like, I don't know, I ain't leaving this lifestyle.
Speaker 3: I actually, you know, I agree with everything you've just said,
Speaker 3: to be honest, and I think it's it's really interesting
Speaker 3: because I think this would be a good topic for
Speaker 3: us to beate. Look, I'm a guy. I'm a white guy,
Speaker 3: nerdy guy wearing glasses. I come from a small town
Speaker 3: in England. So you can't say I'm from out of
Speaker 3: the streets. You can't say that I am somebody that
Speaker 3: has to abide by the street code or no snitching. Look,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I've never snitched. I saw a guy
Speaker 3: getting beaten up outside my apartment. I call you pleen
Speaker 3: once and he give a statement. But I would snitch
Speaker 3: if I got jumped, if I got jumped to an event.
Speaker 3: I'm talking to the best first thing. I It's always
Speaker 3: been something interesting for me. Obviously, I'm a big fan
Speaker 3: of hip hop. It's part of the hip hop culture
Speaker 3: and I guess the street culture. It's in a lot
Speaker 3: of lyrics, this never snitch mentality, and I think that
Speaker 3: it makes sense. I think a lot of the whole
Speaker 3: never working with the police, never trust the police obviously
Speaker 3: comes from the fact that you know, police brutality is
Speaker 3: a huge problem, and racism in the police force is
Speaker 3: just true. I mean, in the UK we have the
Speaker 3: Metropolitan Police in London and they are racist as hell.
Speaker 3: You know, there's really messed up laws in the UK
Speaker 3: about stop and search, and you know, black people and
Speaker 3: other minorities getting you know, heavily targeted over white people
Speaker 3: in the UK. So I understand why certain groups of
Speaker 3: people don't trust the police more than others. And that's
Speaker 3: I can't you know, I'm a white guy. I have
Speaker 3: a different experience of the police than a back guy.
Speaker 3: I've been pulled over by the police. I've been shouted
Speaker 3: out by the police. I've argued with the police. I've
Speaker 3: never been arrested. But I understand that my experience being
Speaker 3: pulled over is probably going to be different to King
Speaker 3: Von's experience being pulled over. Right, But at the same time,
Speaker 3: what you just said I completely agreed with where you've
Speaker 3: got these guides that have broken out of that cycle,
Speaker 3: someone like young Thog or whoever. They might be worth
Speaker 3: a few million dollars, They've created a successful life for themselves.
Speaker 3: Why should they throw it all away if they get
Speaker 3: sucked into a rico that they had nothing to do with.
Speaker 3: To essentially, you know, stay solid and throw their life away,
Speaker 3: their families life away, the opportunity that their family's life,
Speaker 3: that their family had by being solid. So so when
Speaker 3: you see someone like Gunner, people are saying he's a snitch.
Speaker 3: You know, people are getting exposed for being a snitch.
Speaker 3: But to me, I just think that's you know, that's
Speaker 3: an individual that got into a situation and they had
Speaker 3: to make a decision based on the facts that they
Speaker 3: were in. Now that's not to say it's not dishonorable.
Speaker 3: If you're doing a crime with somebody, to snitch on
Speaker 3: them that you're involved. You're all jumping in that car
Speaker 3: agreeing to do a crime together, and you flip on
Speaker 3: everyone to save your ass. That's dishonorable thing to do.
Speaker 3: But you know, I've always found it's an interesting debate
Speaker 3: when it comes to the whole hip hop never snitching.
Speaker 3: And then in recent years there's sort of almost been
Speaker 3: like a situation where you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 3: of debate around different artists, whether it's Gunner six ' nine,
Speaker 3: you know, you're Troy Avs, Boston Richie, people sort of
Speaker 3: debating did these guys snitch? Is it wrong? Is it right?
Speaker 3: What they did, And you know, you've got guys like six'
Speaker 3: nine and Troy av Now that are kind of coming
Speaker 3: out saying, look, I cooperated because I did wrong. I
Speaker 3: was done wrong, And you know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to go sit down for fifteen years over
Speaker 3: someone that was trying to take my life. So I
Speaker 3: think it's a really interesting debate and I would actually
Speaker 3: love to know your opinion on whether do you think
Speaker 3: that the hip hop community in general needs to maybe
Speaker 3: move forward from this whole idea that no matter what,
Speaker 3: you've got to follow the street code, even if you
Speaker 3: haven't been in the streets for ten years and you're
Speaker 3: a millionaire and you're a shining example to your community,
Speaker 3: you know, what are the rules when you're not in
Speaker 3: the streets anymore. You know, I'd like to know your opinion,
Speaker 3: and I thought i'd probably agree with you on.
Speaker 2: My thought is number one. I believe that there's a
Speaker 2: couple different issues. One being.
Speaker 1: The reason why we don't really believe in dealing with
Speaker 1: the police, messing with the police whatever, is because they
Speaker 1: misrepresent the circumstances.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of what they frame in court
Speaker 1: ain't the circumstances that's actually happen on the streets again.
Speaker 1: And this ain't even culture because a lot of times
Speaker 1: they in the inside, so they know exactly what they're
Speaker 1: misrepresent you know, and we we dealt with that on
Speaker 1: our fastest.
Speaker 2: I even saw.
Speaker 1: This football guy, I think play for Alabama get pulled
Speaker 1: over and the police was asking him, is that I
Speaker 1: smell weed in the car? Man, you know, let me
Speaker 1: know what's going I smell weed. I'll work with you
Speaker 1: if you tell me. And he look over at his
Speaker 1: homeboy and he just say, hey, man, give me the weed.
Speaker 1: And his homeboy like, man, I ain't doing that shit.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. So he reached
Speaker 1: over and grabbed the weed right hand it to the police,
Speaker 1: trusting the police. Police tell him step out the car rested.
Speaker 1: He damn, I just gave you. I thought you was
Speaker 1: they fining a gun fand some mo weed. It's like,
Speaker 1: we know that they ain't gonna do. They ain't gonna do, right,
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two. Accountability is the highest form
Speaker 1: of adulthood, you know. And so when you're in a
Speaker 1: situation where you need to be responsible, accountable for what
Speaker 1: you have been involved with.
Speaker 2: That's when he is slippery.
Speaker 1: Right, Even if you sign up for something that I
Speaker 1: might not be involved, but the situation messy.
Speaker 2: And if the situation messy.
Speaker 1: I'm involved, you know, and you could be involved in
Speaker 1: things like even with a Rico.
Speaker 2: That shit gets so slippery, you know. I just I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to feel about it, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about that. In regards
Speaker 1: to snitch, I think the culture has to move forward
Speaker 1: from so much of the no snitching concept because I
Speaker 1: have children. My children don't abide by that. I was
Speaker 1: the last generation that grew up in that bulld shit.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My children can call the
Speaker 1: cops if they need to, They can communicate with the police.
Speaker 2: I let them know this. They can't.
Speaker 1: They cannot escape responsibility accountability.
Speaker 2: Again, it's a difference, and.
Speaker 1: I think the snitching thing a lot of times, it
Speaker 1: makes you escape accountability, you know. It puts you in
Speaker 1: a situation where I might have been involved in something
Speaker 1: that you gonna let me out of if I get
Speaker 1: him involved in something, And for me, that accountability concept
Speaker 1: always kicks into my brain, you know.
Speaker 2: But the culture as a whole.
Speaker 1: We gotta grow up on a lot of things or
Speaker 1: we gonna continue to be monetized from the outside. You know,
Speaker 1: they monetize every crime that's big in our culture, right
Speaker 1: you know, you just you know that it's a market
Speaker 1: out there for like people want to hear about. You're
Speaker 1: one of them. I'm one of them, Like I want
Speaker 1: to hear about. Damn, what's it what they be talking about.
Speaker 1: That's why I was gonna partner with you on some
Speaker 1: shit to where that's real culture insight into what's happening.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying the way it looks different
Speaker 1: a little bit and tweaks a little bit to where
Speaker 1: we might can go someone you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and split this and bust it down. But you know,
Speaker 1: as far as understanding our culture, bro, it's so many
Speaker 1: layers of it. You gotta understand, man, people trying to
Speaker 1: escape this shit. Like you will see a rap nigga
Speaker 1: try to go positive like dirt, right mam. He testing
Speaker 1: the water, trying to see he gonna if he drop
Speaker 1: a whole album of positive shit, it ain't. It might
Speaker 1: do good, but it's gonna turn his people off. So
Speaker 1: it's a weird way you gotta handle the transition of
Speaker 1: you know, going from from all the way street to
Speaker 1: over here where I'm at. I'm just lucky enough to
Speaker 1: be able to be a street nigga talking positive or
Speaker 1: trying to at least you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I think I'm the prototype of what it's gonna look
Speaker 1: like in the future. You know, as far as like, Yo,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a dude that look all like this,
Speaker 1: but he really on some business shit. He really on
Speaker 1: some positive helping the culture.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to break that mold, bro, because from the outside,
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's no way to understand it.
Speaker 1: That's why I had to get you on. And then's
Speaker 1: somebody like ten ninety Jake. Let's talk about Jake. Somebody
Speaker 1: like ten ninety Jake, and I haven't read any paperwork,
Speaker 1: but he's taking incident reports and bits and pieces and
Speaker 1: shit and now raiding it.
Speaker 2: This is what I mean, Like these dudes is what
Speaker 2: do you well?
Speaker 3: The The interesting thing about ten Knighty Jake is, you know,
Speaker 3: ten Knighty Jake is a blood. He's been to been
Speaker 3: to jail, you know, he's been in the you know,
Speaker 3: Florida State of Florida Corrections System. I'm the opposite, right,
Speaker 3: I'm from a small town in the UK.
Speaker 2: Going to jail. Don't mean shit.
Speaker 1: Don't let the nigga trick you with these tattoo Hey, listen, brother,
Speaker 1: I would say, I don't know if ten ninety Jacob blood.
Speaker 1: Somebody gotta tell me home of Blood.
Speaker 3: I ain't well, listen, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 3: But this is the thing. It's like, as you said earlier,
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to like realness when we
Speaker 3: were talking about King Von, there's a spectrum and I think,
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to go on the real
Speaker 3: ness street list scale, you got me, you got kind
Speaker 3: of like me, you got ten ninety, and then maybe
Speaker 3: you've got Von way up there. But you know, I
Speaker 3: think I respect what he's done.
Speaker 2: Background.
Speaker 3: Yeah tonight, Jake. I mean, you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: that much about his background. Take him you know he
Speaker 3: spent time in prison. Well no, I take him to
Speaker 3: be more street than me. And you spend time.
Speaker 2: It's easy to be ok. They ain't saying much. And
Speaker 2: it's in the UK. Let's be clear.
Speaker 1: You know it's gangsters in the UK for sure, But
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't see him being like you know.
Speaker 1: And then my thing is, if you as a blood
Speaker 1: why you ain't talking blood being? I know you got
Speaker 1: some little being this around your neighborhood. I asked you
Speaker 1: the same question, why you ain't reporting on the UK
Speaker 1: beefs and ship Why you ain't reporting on the UK?
Speaker 3: This is the funny thing. Well, I mean, I know,
Speaker 3: you know, I know that Jake you know, doesn't report
Speaker 3: on certain stuff where he lives. I think that's just sensible,
Speaker 3: you know, I do. I did report on a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff in the UK and when I you know,
Speaker 3: when I was living in some of these areas, and
Speaker 3: you know it kind of it it felt maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit more risky if you're reporting on stuff that's
Speaker 3: going on, you know, on your doorstep. But I do
Speaker 3: have quite a few UK stories and I am planning
Speaker 3: on doing a few more in the future, you know.
Speaker 3: When it comes to like history and had out, well,
Speaker 3: I think I think that everybody who becomes famous on
Speaker 3: the Internet has to hide out, you know. I assume
Speaker 3: you don't post your location where you're going to, But I.
Speaker 1: Report on whatever I want to report on if I
Speaker 1: call myself reporting on snitching. If if that nigga knicks
Speaker 1: cross the yard over, if he snitched and he big
Speaker 1: blood in the town, I got a video on blood.
Speaker 1: I got one coming on blood. I'm cut like that.
Speaker 1: That's how I know he ain't cut like that.
Speaker 3: He but to a certain degree, though, you've got to
Speaker 3: say it's that's just common sense. If it's like if
Speaker 3: it's me, for example, you know, if I found out
Speaker 3: that there was a you know, a murder, like literally,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Though. It's tough though, because I mean
Speaker 3: I literally I did do a video on the murders
Speaker 3: and the drill conflicts.
Speaker 2: Culture, bro, and you're reporting the culture. It shouldn't be no.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be no eye, And I ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: it around here because I'm thinking that's a little bit risky.
Speaker 2: That's like that. I know, I get it.
Speaker 3: That's just common sense because hell hella, rappers go and
Speaker 3: film music videos on their ops block and that's a
Speaker 3: very dangerous thing to do, and a lot of people
Speaker 3: would be sensible enough to not do that, right, I
Speaker 3: feel like that Jake wouldn't used to.
Speaker 1: Say no, I'm just reporting the news.
Speaker 2: You ween. Ops.
Speaker 1: Also you saying we ops, I ain't looking at this
Speaker 1: ship like we are. When you add when you bumped
Speaker 1: down on some of these good guys out, they say,
Speaker 1: is now we're just reporting we He ain't like that.
Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden it's ops, No, it
Speaker 2: ain't ups.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, that's that. I'm not saying that ops there.
Speaker 3: Let me let me rephrase that, because I think I
Speaker 3: put that cross wrong. But what I'm saying is that,
Speaker 3: like I think it's you know that, it's just kind
Speaker 3: of common sense in the sense that, like, for example,
Speaker 3: after I did the King of on video I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie, I had a lot of people saying they
Speaker 3: were gonna kill me. I was getting a lot of
Speaker 3: death threats, people from Chicago, people from other places saying
Speaker 3: we're gonna pop you, We're trying to find where you're at,
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and let's be real. I actually do
Speaker 3: want to go to Chicago and film some interviews and
Speaker 3: actually speak to some real people, but I knew I
Speaker 3: can't be doing that this month. Wheneveryone's saying they're gonna
Speaker 3: kill me, I gotta wait for this to die down.
Speaker 3: I gotta get my safety in place to go and
Speaker 3: do that. So that's just kind.
Speaker 1: Of comment to reporting on people in his back yard.
Speaker 1: I don't get the correlation with that. You're talking about
Speaker 1: coming a thousand miles reporting on a culture you don't
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with a black dude that's dead, right,
Speaker 1: A murder we heat doing snitching. Murder snitching totally different, right,
Speaker 1: It's too many differences here. I'm telling you that if
Speaker 1: I call myself reporting on snitch culture snitch culture, I
Speaker 1: got a snitch video coming on the guys, even if
Speaker 1: they overhear.
Speaker 3: But I don't as far as I know. All I
Speaker 3: know is that, you know, Jake tends to, you know,
Speaker 3: put out the videos that he wants to put out.
Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to be scared of reporting on certain things.
Speaker 3: But from what I understand, he just doesn't report on
Speaker 3: the politics in the area he lives because I think
Speaker 3: that's just common sense, you know, I don't you know,
Speaker 3: I think it's rather had.
Speaker 1: A billion dollars or would you rather fuck with these
Speaker 1: little broke aad niggas in your backyard?
Speaker 3: When do you say fuck with you meant positive or
Speaker 3: negative way? That's a that's a That's an interesting question
Speaker 3: because like, if you put it this way, right, the
Speaker 3: guy with a billion dollars, he's got the resources to
Speaker 3: come and fuck with you back, whereas the guys that
Speaker 3: don't have nothing, they got nothing to lose, so they
Speaker 3: can throw it all the way and crash out on you.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's but I'm telling you, power is in,
Speaker 1: strength is in you know, you know, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of strength involved with with with with certain things. For me, though,
Speaker 1: I think Jake is ruining people lives. Man, without I'm
Speaker 1: looking into the proper things. Man, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: appreciate what he's doing in our culture. You know, your
Speaker 1: thing with the King Vaughn was a little slippery for
Speaker 1: the most part. I love your kind with him just
Speaker 1: to be a snitch page, like, it's very weird. That's
Speaker 1: a very weird thing.
Speaker 3: In defense of Jake, I would say that I think
Speaker 3: right now there is this big wave in hip hop
Speaker 3: of kind of snitching and exposing snitches. Jake's content wasn't
Speaker 3: always about snitching.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I've been a follower of his content for years, and
Speaker 3: you know it wasn't even that long ago that really
Speaker 3: he would just cover a different case every day, and
Speaker 3: they'd be cases all over the country and he would
Speaker 3: report on them really well, really detailed. I think right
Speaker 3: now he is, you know, and I don't mean disrespect
Speaker 3: by this, but I think he's riding a wave that's
Speaker 3: going on in the wider hip hop space where there
Speaker 3: is this fascination and you to use the word used earlier,
Speaker 3: obsession with snitching, and I think that that's a wider
Speaker 3: obsession in hip hop where we've had a big conversation
Speaker 3: guys like six ' nine, guys like Gunner. Obviously the
Speaker 3: Boston Richie thing, Jake was associated with that, but before that,
Speaker 3: there was just all this stuff going on about did
Speaker 3: this Williams?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake, what was the difference between the raalo and
Speaker 1: Boston Richie.
Speaker 3: I'll admit I actually didn't get enough time. I've not
Speaker 3: caught up on all the Rollo stuff because I've been
Speaker 3: doing I'm working on a Young Boy project, so I'm
Speaker 3: I haven't caught up with all the latest. But from
Speaker 3: from what I understand, I don't want to say because.
Speaker 1: According to them, because I looked into it myself, but
Speaker 1: according to them, the gist of it is both guys
Speaker 1: may have talked to the police. Nobody was arrested. One guy,
Speaker 1: in his eyes, was a red the other guy wasn't.
Speaker 1: This is what I think I'm drawing from what's happening.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: The Young working.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm working on Okay, I'll tell you what I
Speaker 3: got going on. Maybe you want to give me your opinion,
Speaker 3: maybe you won't, But I'm doing I've got a video
Speaker 3: coming I want to do kind of the whole Young
Speaker 3: Boy life story. And the interesting thing is, Young Boy
Speaker 3: has a bunch of songs where he says he's got
Speaker 3: seven bodies. A lot of people don't seem to have realized.
Speaker 3: On Young Boy's new album, he just dropped richest op
Speaker 3: on the last song of the album, he actually says
Speaker 3: he has twelve bodies, which same as the King Von situation.
Speaker 3: I just want to look into this situation and say
Speaker 3: is that true. I'm looking into it. I'm listening to King,
Speaker 3: I'm listening to Young boys old songs. I'm looking at
Speaker 3: his old tweets. I'm just trying to work out is
Speaker 3: this actually true? And I'm still working on the story.
Speaker 3: But right now where I'm at, you know, it seems like,
Speaker 3: there's a big difference between the Young Boy and the
Speaker 3: vonn stories. But both artists are two people who are
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, they're associated with a lot of violence.
Speaker 3: They've both put out a lot of public statements saying
Speaker 3: that they're involved in the violence. But for Young Boy,
Speaker 3: I'm finding it a lot harder to find anything concrete
Speaker 3: connecting him to the situations where he's saying he's got
Speaker 3: all these bodies. But you know, there's not there's not
Speaker 3: much that I found to like associate that contrast that
Speaker 3: with Von. You know, I understand that we disagree about,
Speaker 3: you know, using tweets and stuff like that, but you know, Von,
Speaker 3: there were tons and tons and tons of tweets where
Speaker 3: Von saying stuff that kind of correlates to other things
Speaker 3: he said. Whereas Young Boy, I'm kind of I'm currently
Speaker 3: researching it. I'm seeing, like.
Speaker 1: Young Boy is Young Boy learned from somebody like you know,
Speaker 1: Von or just the Internet. He kind of grew up
Speaker 1: a little later than Von with it. He might who
Speaker 1: was the oldest. Yeah, young boys, so he kind of
Speaker 1: grew up. He kind of grew up with just a
Speaker 1: little more. He might understand it a little more. And
Speaker 1: again me being inside of the culture. I take young
Speaker 1: boy to be smart enough to know. That's why he
Speaker 1: on all these different little pages. Right, So if I
Speaker 1: ever have to go to court for some tweeted or Instagram,
Speaker 1: you can't really you there's proof out there that I'm
Speaker 1: on a thousand different pages.
Speaker 2: You don't never know what page I'm on, right, And this.
Speaker 1: Is because they'll use this bullshit Instagram and tweets like
Speaker 1: you you got these guys are now hiding from people
Speaker 1: like you, right and tweeting on go over here, install
Speaker 1: Finsta like it's shit happening because people are misrepresenting things
Speaker 1: that people are tweeting when they're in their emotions, you know.
Speaker 1: So he may be in a situation to know that
Speaker 1: the laws are against him from you know, tweeting certain
Speaker 1: things from his original account or maybe saying certain things
Speaker 1: from their account. So I stay over here, over there
Speaker 1: or on this account. So if ever I'm brought to court,
Speaker 1: he may not be this smart. This may be me
Speaker 1: putting together something that ain't there.
Speaker 3: But you know, if you have, well, I was just
Speaker 3: gonna say something interesting, is like, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: finished for the story. I'm still doing my research but like,
Speaker 3: for example, there's a lot of young Boy lyrics where
Speaker 3: he sort of seems to suggest like I was trying
Speaker 3: to shoot at this up and I missed him and
Speaker 3: I killed his girl. There's the there's a few of
Speaker 3: these lyrics, right, And then there's a case in twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen where a girl got hitting the crossfire in the
Speaker 3: passenger see in this incident, right, And a lot of
Speaker 3: people online they say this was young boy. Young boy
Speaker 3: killed this girl. But I've looked into it deeper and
Speaker 3: there's a whole other person. There's two people that got
Speaker 3: arrested for that crime. There's a guy completely unrelated to
Speaker 3: young Boy that got convicted of the crime, but he's
Speaker 3: in lyrics saying stuff that kind of makes people think
Speaker 3: he did it, but it's proven it's completely unrelated. So
Speaker 3: what it's making me almost think is like what you
Speaker 3: were saying earlier about a lot of rappers, they're incentivized
Speaker 3: and make money off of trying to portray this image
Speaker 3: and make people think. But I'm almost seeing that. I'm
Speaker 3: almost seeing like young Young Boy and Vonn it's sort
Speaker 3: of they go in a different direction where it's like
Speaker 3: young Boy's got all these lyrics. But then I'm looking
Speaker 3: into it and it's like, he didn't do that shit, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it ain't for you to fan if he did
Speaker 1: or This is what's important for you to know. If
Speaker 1: you you can't be the voice of whether he did
Speaker 1: or didn't. I found it interesting that you've parked in
Speaker 1: that place right to say that, Hey, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: responsible for saying if they did or didn't. When I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that there's a whole underworld of shit that
Speaker 1: you have no access to. There could be murders in
Speaker 1: drug dylan and fucking going on. You would never know
Speaker 1: about families and babies being here that you would never
Speaker 1: have access to because you ain't a part of the underworld,
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So what do you do
Speaker 1: when on information you got from two thousand miles away,
Speaker 1: it's a nigga tweets?
Speaker 3: Well, this is the interesting I actually I do agree
Speaker 3: with you. I think here's the difference is that this
Speaker 3: isn't just some random guy in Baton rouge on Twitter
Speaker 3: saying he's killed people. This is NBA, young boy. The
Speaker 3: guy has got like five number one Billboard charting albums.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd never heard of young Boy unless this
Speaker 3: guy was being promoted to me by a major record label,
Speaker 3: Atlantic Records now Motown Records. You know, he's on the
Speaker 3: Billboard charts talking about he's got number one charting Billboard albums,
Speaker 3: and on the on the projects he's saying, I got
Speaker 3: seven bodies. So I don't think it's wrong for me
Speaker 3: a fan who is listening to a song that is
Speaker 3: quite literally number one on Billboard. It's the number one
Speaker 3: album that's being pushed to people all over the world.
Speaker 3: I just think that I understand what you're saying. I'm
Speaker 3: not from the culture. I throw my hands up and
Speaker 3: I admit that I don't have the lived experience of so.
Speaker 2: Do I know what to look at even solve guy?
Speaker 2: Do you know what to look at? The fan?
Speaker 1: But the hints of what may made a murder take place?
Speaker 1: Do you know the language we may say?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 1: I might say, you know, it's so much, it's layers
Speaker 1: to it, like you might be looking right over tweet
Speaker 1: this speak that regularly to it you see facts.
Speaker 3: No, but That's what I'm trying to do. But I
Speaker 3: think the reason why I understand what you're saying as
Speaker 3: far as, like why am I the guy that's supposed
Speaker 3: to be the voice of this, but like, really, I
Speaker 3: am just the voice of the fans. I'm the voice
Speaker 3: of the of the fifty eight thousand people that bought
Speaker 3: Young Boys album in its first week when he gets
Speaker 3: his first week sales numbers, and I just happened to
Speaker 3: be the guy that listened to the lyrics and just
Speaker 3: said I'm going to google it until I find out
Speaker 3: whether this is cap or true. And it's not a case.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to convict him. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: paint him in a negative light that isn't real. I'm
Speaker 3: genuinely perspective of I don't think I could send the prison.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's possible because I'm not a federal agent.
Speaker 3: I have no federal pool. If somebody in the FBI
Speaker 3: is currently investigating NBA Young Boy and they find it,
Speaker 3: will be convicted. Bruh, do you really think, like bear
Speaker 3: in mind.
Speaker 1: Right now, right now, facing life in the feed, they
Speaker 1: went to court on the seventeenth, they bring Instagram ship
Speaker 1: in their YouTube ship in there on him. So I
Speaker 1: do know that if you put that, but that makes
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 3: But that's instantly. Bear in mind. This is the thing.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people get this wrong and
Speaker 3: they act like, oh, the Feds are using trap law
Speaker 3: Ross videos as evidence. They're not. The FEDS are using
Speaker 3: the same tweets I was looking at. If somebody confesses
Speaker 3: to a crime in a tweet and I notice it,
Speaker 3: and the FBI notice it, the FBI going to use
Speaker 3: it to convict him.
Speaker 1: You know, do you know that they are feeling for
Speaker 1: understanding of the coach is? Will you know that they
Speaker 1: are trying to They pay people to try to put
Speaker 1: that stuff together that you will put together and drop
Speaker 1: it and they.
Speaker 2: Say exactly, They go, he put it right together. Check
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm doing it for free. They probably got to
Speaker 3: go on payroll. But you can't tell me that the
Speaker 3: bound Ruth Police Department that is investigating young boy, he's
Speaker 3: got multiple open cases. You can't tell me that there
Speaker 3: isn't somebody that sits there and looks at his lyrics.
Speaker 3: But I'm evidence of the only just look on.
Speaker 1: People like loan, people like that you have like Adam
Speaker 1: twenty two, They can give you a little more insight.
Speaker 2: They literally are like, damn, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Is happening, right, they got their snitches and ship, Well, no,
Speaker 1: they got they got access to his phone.
Speaker 3: They can tap his phone, they can get his Instagram,
Speaker 3: they can get the affidat.
Speaker 2: But they haven't.
Speaker 3: I wish I could, if I could read right. This
Speaker 3: is the thing, though, it takes the FEDS a long
Speaker 3: time to build a case. For example, let's go back
Speaker 3: to King Vaughan with the situation where you got these
Speaker 3: five people that are currently facing trial for the murder
Speaker 3: of FBG Duck. Rest in peace, FBG Duck.
Speaker 2: You know, no.
Speaker 3: Disrespect to him, But these guys were tweeting and instagram
Speaker 3: messaging each other, and it's now in the papers that
Speaker 3: you know, these guys were sending messages to each other
Speaker 3: saying I forget the exact name of the person, but
Speaker 3: you know there was a person affiliated with a crew
Speaker 3: THHF that had given the location of Duck to the
Speaker 3: guys from O block, according to the Feds. And they're
Speaker 3: getting all of that from just looking at their phones,
Speaker 3: looking at their dms, which I have no access to.
Speaker 3: So the FEDS are working on a level that's way
Speaker 3: beyond what I'm working on. I'm working on a level
Speaker 3: as you man, and I'll admit, I'll throw my hands up.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Young Boy too. I'm literally I'm listening
Speaker 3: to every Young Boy song the guy's ever made and
Speaker 3: reading the lyrics and thinking really hard, like what's he
Speaker 3: actually saying. I'm weird. I can't help it. But I
Speaker 3: know for a fact there is some guy whose job
Speaker 3: it is on the Baton Rooge Police Department doing the same.
Speaker 1: Thing, even through as extensive as you gonna do. This
Speaker 1: is the point I'm making. They're lazy fucks.
Speaker 3: These people I beat complement because I try.
Speaker 2: You are great.
Speaker 1: I just I just want you to know that you're
Speaker 1: representing ship in the wrong way. But far as making
Speaker 1: a documentary style piece of content, you're you're probably one
Speaker 1: of the best that I've been able to see at
Speaker 1: it right, And I like the accent, I like all
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I just think it's dope. You know.
Speaker 1: I would wish that you would stay First of all,
Speaker 1: let me say this, all these guys are innocent. We
Speaker 1: wish high vibration or a loon, wish high vibration on
Speaker 1: these guys, no jail time, abundance of money. We want
Speaker 1: everybody to stay free and try to get uh, save
Speaker 1: their family. I know what it's like to do. So
Speaker 1: that's number one. Have you been looking at the Joe
Speaker 1: butten podcast?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well recently? Yeah, thank you man. Well that you know, obviously,
Speaker 3: I've always been a fan of Joe Budden. I mean
Speaker 3: I've been a fan of Budden since I was a
Speaker 3: kid listening to his you know, his self titled album
Speaker 3: back in the day. You know, I've always been a
Speaker 3: fan of Budden. I've been a fan of what he
Speaker 3: achieved on the podcast, and to be honest, like just
Speaker 3: in general, I think Joe Budden is a really I've
Speaker 3: got to give him his flowers because Joe Budden is
Speaker 3: one of the very few people in this industry who
Speaker 3: had success as a rapper and then, you know, his
Speaker 3: career went the way it did and he didn't get
Speaker 3: the mainstream support that he thought he deserved. You know,
Speaker 3: where his beef for jay Z, that's another part of it.
Speaker 3: But except on that side, he is somebody that I
Speaker 3: really admire that he took his energy and his talent
Speaker 3: into another industry, into podcasting, and he became a goat
Speaker 3: top tier. You know, a lot of people put him
Speaker 3: as the number one hip hop podcaster in the game,
Speaker 3: and he has basically become the king of this new faith.
Speaker 3: But he's never compromised on who he is. Well, no, no,
Speaker 3: but he's some people see him as the king. He
Speaker 3: wouldn't be my number one, but he'd be Cop ten,
Speaker 3: top five. A complex. You know, they're trying to get
Speaker 3: him to sign the sign some sort of deal. I
Speaker 3: feel like they're bettering him up, baby, But then that side,
Speaker 3: I respect what.
Speaker 1: He's done, and I also think he don't think I
Speaker 1: hate him me. No, I think he's dope. I think
Speaker 1: he's did you think he stole from Roal Raymond? They've
Speaker 1: told me he stole from.
Speaker 3: I think they were naive. I think they knew what
Speaker 3: they were dealing with when they went into that situation
Speaker 3: with Joe. And I like those guys and I respect
Speaker 3: what they've achieved, but I think they were naive. And
Speaker 3: you know, the show is called the Joe Budden Podcast
Speaker 3: is Joe Budden's podcast, And I think for them to
Speaker 3: kind of think that they could sort of like pull
Speaker 3: the strings or like you know, press the buttons on
Speaker 3: the show for a better lack of a better better phrase,
Speaker 3: I just think that was naive and I think that
Speaker 3: they're now building their own platform, and I think they're realizing,
Speaker 3: like Joe is a legend in the game. It was
Speaker 3: the Joe Buden podcast. The cultural cachet of that show
Speaker 3: was with Joe, and that they were rookies getting a
Speaker 3: good opportunity to be on the show. I don't think
Speaker 3: they had the right to kind of try and rock
Speaker 3: the shirt the boat and kind of, you know, demand
Speaker 3: so much from Joe when it's Joe Show. And I
Speaker 3: think they saw as the show was coming up that
Speaker 3: it was Joe Show, and now they're doing their own thing,
Speaker 3: and they're realizing they've got to build their cultural cash
Speaker 3: up from from from ground zero and Joe is Joe
Speaker 3: is Joe. You know, Joe is a legend of the
Speaker 3: game in multiple ways. And so I felt like with
Speaker 3: that situation, I felt like maybe they were naive. I
Speaker 3: also feel like them sort of getting really deep in
Speaker 3: the beef with DJ Academics again, I think they underestimated academics.
Speaker 3: Ak is another legend of this game. What is the
Speaker 3: legend one of.
Speaker 1: The first of all, let me deal with Let's okay,
Speaker 1: we can deal with don't forget that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's contra. Let's go back.
Speaker 1: Even you believe Rory and Marl to feel like that,
Speaker 1: even if they had a contract the States, they were
Speaker 1: eligible to get a certain percentage, that he just reneged
Speaker 1: on the contract.
Speaker 2: This is what they're saying happened.
Speaker 1: So say they say, yo, we'll both take fifteen percent,
Speaker 1: so there's thirty percent you got to kick out whenever
Speaker 1: we get some. And then when it's time to kick
Speaker 1: the thirty out, he finds a way not to kick
Speaker 1: that out and sneak him on salary.
Speaker 2: You don't find it to be fake.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to deny that. I think that. Listen,
Speaker 3: Joe Budden is Joe Biden, right, Joe Biden is known
Speaker 3: to be a bit of a prick league guy to
Speaker 3: deal with, and so I felt like they knew what
Speaker 3: they were getting into with Joe Budden. They saw Marissa get.
Speaker 1: Fired Solair, he probably or you see he do he
Speaker 1: cut though. He a shrewd business man, so you probably
Speaker 1: need to buckle up.
Speaker 3: I think kind of yes. And also I think it's
Speaker 3: Joe's show, and I think that they played themselves thinking
Speaker 3: that they were going to kind of go on strike
Speaker 3: and hold Joe show for aranslom against him, and I
Speaker 3: think now that time has passed, I think Joe's show
Speaker 3: has flourished without them, and I think it's proven that.
Speaker 3: I think Joe's new co hosts are good, But I
Speaker 3: also think that the show works with Joe. Joe worked.
Speaker 3: The show works. The Joe bunpo cost works because of
Speaker 3: Joe Budden, and I think Joe Buden could have damn
Speaker 3: near anyone on that couch with him and it'd be
Speaker 3: a good show. I think it's it's just the show, but.
Speaker 2: Boy saying that I ain't worth nothing on the couch
Speaker 2: over here, Nah.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Ishman. I feel like those that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like. I feel like those guys do add
Speaker 3: a lot of value, and I think it. I think
Speaker 3: when it first switched and Rory and Mark kind of
Speaker 3: got replaced, it was ishan Ice and it was kind
Speaker 3: of like, who are these guys? It's different, But I
Speaker 3: think it takes time for people to get into their
Speaker 3: stride and for the audience to grow to love these
Speaker 3: new people. I think that's what Adam twenty two is
Speaker 3: going through now. He's building this new team and people
Speaker 3: are kind of shitting on Adam and no jump brain
Speaker 3: what it used to be. The numbers are down, but yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, give it some time. And you know, like
Speaker 3: I say, no shade on the people that left, but
Speaker 3: you know, I think people will grow to love these
Speaker 3: new characters.
Speaker 1: Is the hardest thing to base. Once you do that,
Speaker 1: the hard pause out the way. Now it's basically figuring
Speaker 1: out what your chicken sandwich is, What is your selling item,
Speaker 1: what's your selling point? What you know, what gets the
Speaker 1: person to click it, what gets someone to subscribe, what
Speaker 1: gets them to share, what gets them to talk about
Speaker 1: it on socials? You start to get scientific with this shit.
Speaker 1: You got to get into the lab and figure out
Speaker 1: what make the wheels move. You know, you think Rory
Speaker 1: and mal underestimated academics, how.
Speaker 3: Well you know there was that The thing that really
Speaker 3: stood out to me was that situation where you know,
Speaker 3: essentially Rory allegedly went to academics' crib and put like
Speaker 3: a menacing letter through his mailbox and shit. And I
Speaker 3: think that they were really trying to stoke this beef
Speaker 3: with academics, thinking that they were sort of like, on
Speaker 3: this whole we're going to go up and fight against
Speaker 3: academics because we feel disrespected by him, sort of losing
Speaker 3: sight of the fact that, firstly, academics is basically the
Speaker 3: big dog in this hip hop media space. You like
Speaker 3: him or hate him, he is the biggest. He's the
Speaker 3: biggest going, He's the biggest out.
Speaker 2: Who's bigger than that?
Speaker 1: That's different. See, there's different. Okay, hipop news, Okay, in
Speaker 1: face he can have Okay, pop listen. What the fuck
Speaker 1: is hip hop news? Who's paying for that?
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that?
Speaker 3: This is what academics do is a good number one.
Speaker 1: They're good at creating these law What the fuck is that? What?
Speaker 1: How good is that? But he doesn't get paid from that.
Speaker 1: He gets paid for promotion because it's platform on social media.
Speaker 1: He gets paid from Spotify because it's podcast he gets
Speaker 1: and now he gets his little subs and ship from
Speaker 1: live streaming.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is hip hop? Now? I'm the best
Speaker 2: at hipop news? What the fuck is that?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Let me give you Let me give you my argument
Speaker 3: because I get where you're coming from. But I feel
Speaker 3: like my perspective on it, maybe you know, maybe it
Speaker 3: might open your mind to how I see it. But
Speaker 3: I think with academics my biggest criticism, and I like academics.
Speaker 3: My biggest criticism of Academics is often I think what
Speaker 3: he puts out is very unpolished and rushed. You know,
Speaker 3: his streams. They don't look like the really slick, nice
Speaker 3: looking streams. They're basic. But I think the reason why
Speaker 3: that works for act is because his whole thing is,
Speaker 3: here's the finger on the pulse. He's reacting like before
Speaker 3: I've even found out the info. He's on there reacting
Speaker 3: to it. I find out about ship from him reacting
Speaker 3: before I've seen it on an actual new on the
Speaker 3: hip hop DX or some shit. So I think his
Speaker 3: benefit is that he is always on the balls. He's
Speaker 3: always ready to react. He's sat around his house waiting
Speaker 3: to be the first person to deliver you that news.
Speaker 3: And whether you like him or or hate him, he's
Speaker 3: always that guy. He's always the first person going, here's
Speaker 3: an update on the Torria meg situation. Yeah, here's a
Speaker 3: young boy thing.
Speaker 1: But even though in the grand scheme of the market
Speaker 1: of the business, see I'm a businessman, see we are businessmen.
Speaker 1: This is where they tricked the YouTube gas. It they
Speaker 1: tricked the YouTube gas in the fighting over these bullshit
Speaker 1: titles while we getting the money running the real business,
Speaker 1: going to get chicks for part kids, checks for documentary,
Speaker 1: checks for shit. That's the real game. I'm learning this
Speaker 1: from Charlemagne. You don't let him trick you into this
Speaker 1: mud slinging YouTube shit and you don't make nothing, you
Speaker 1: don't own nothing. Then your channel gets striped back at
Speaker 1: ground zero. You don't don't play that game. Academics them
Speaker 1: are good with creating these fake.
Speaker 2: Little places.
Speaker 1: Right, Like you said, unpolished content from such a prominent
Speaker 1: person in hip hop is a mistake.
Speaker 2: There's nowhere around that, bro.
Speaker 1: When you have a When you have a it's no
Speaker 1: reason why that man shouldn't have a set up like
Speaker 1: some big boy. If he gonna live stream like Alex
Speaker 1: Jones type shit, like some big.
Speaker 2: Boy set up like where it look good.
Speaker 1: He got he in like a little room with a
Speaker 1: little box on the It's like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: But it works because of the content because it looks
Speaker 2: please into me.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing I think for academics, literally, I
Speaker 3: think I don't know for sure, but I think academics
Speaker 3: probably sits there and it's like, you know, what should
Speaker 3: I do? A I could spend ten days improving my
Speaker 3: studio and make it I can miss ten level setup,
Speaker 3: or or I could just sit here and just post
Speaker 3: what's going on right now, like what's the new young
Speaker 3: boy lyric? I'm a hop on stream and talk for
Speaker 3: an hour about And.
Speaker 1: I think that's because that's how it does. Else to do,
Speaker 1: I think he's actually with that money. He's on the door,
Speaker 1: nothing to do, don't got a life. Fuck it, I'm
Speaker 1: live again right seven eight hours.
Speaker 2: But he likes it.
Speaker 3: He loves being live, So for him, this is the
Speaker 3: perfect situation. And bear in mind, for me, right, my
Speaker 3: content's very different from academics. I like to take my time.
Speaker 3: I like to go offline for a month and listen
Speaker 3: to all the young boy music, like if you know
Speaker 3: me right my life right now, I'm doing this young
Speaker 3: boy story. Anytime I hop in the car, it's a
Speaker 3: new young boy album. Anytime I go somewhere headphones in,
Speaker 3: I'm listening to some a young boy interview. I'm at
Speaker 3: my computer where I'm sat now, I'm looking into you know,
Speaker 3: young boy interview, young boy details. I'm reading an interview
Speaker 3: on Billboard with young boys, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: you might not hear from me on my channel for
Speaker 3: two three months, but then at the end of it,
Speaker 3: I'll create something that's really polished, really nice, and I
Speaker 3: hope that people still remember me and come back to watch.
Speaker 3: It's the opposite of Academics, where he's jumping online every day.
Speaker 3: Look at me, look at what the info that? Do
Speaker 3: you ask my approach works for me?
Speaker 1: Do you think he's I think he's getting very little
Speaker 1: out of his brain when he can get much more.
Speaker 1: I think if Academics done it right and really cared
Speaker 1: about the content, he just cares about being first, cares
Speaker 1: about talking about it first, cares about, you know, delivering.
Speaker 2: It out to the world.
Speaker 1: And I spoke about dead And it's like he doesn't
Speaker 1: to me because when you look at his podcast, I
Speaker 1: damn Nick.
Speaker 2: And fall asleep. I'm telling aout.
Speaker 3: I like, but here's the thing, let me, here's the thing, right.
Speaker 3: I think that that approach works for him, and I
Speaker 3: think that approach is what he likes. I think he
Speaker 3: likes being on stream. He likes chopping on stream, you know,
Speaker 3: cracking open the bottle of Henny and going crazy and
Speaker 3: just going hard. Whereas for me, I like to take
Speaker 3: my time. I like to look into things, think about
Speaker 3: things differently, try and find new angles on different stories.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's just a difference in approach.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing I think that is important. I
Speaker 3: think because ac did his approach first, he is the
Speaker 3: number one at his style of content, I think, and
Speaker 3: he said this before. I think when people come along
Speaker 3: and they try and copy his style, it doesn't work
Speaker 3: because there can only be one person at the top,
Speaker 3: being first with all of the information. And I don't
Speaker 3: think anyone can fuck with academics in his style of content.
Speaker 3: But like I don't think as time goes on, I'm
Speaker 3: hoping people can't fuck with me and my style of content.
Speaker 3: Ain't no one doing a three hour video about nobody, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like we're all trying to think find the
Speaker 3: thing about us that makes us special. And obviously, you
Speaker 3: know there's there's elements of your personality and your podcast
Speaker 3: that make you one of a kind that other people
Speaker 3: aren't gonna be able imitate that too, right, So I
Speaker 3: think everyone's got their things. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: the things that make academics great, I don't find.
Speaker 2: Them to be I found have some good talking points
Speaker 2: here and there.
Speaker 1: But I just I found him just not to be
Speaker 1: interesting enough for me, Like I just write, talk to
Speaker 1: me about some Let me what you're saying over there,
Speaker 1: like what's going on?
Speaker 2: Like brain it out, let me hear some.
Speaker 1: I just sometimes it's like it's just blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I give him credit because he talks so much.
Speaker 1: So again it's easy to far victim to I'm just
Speaker 1: rambling here and there now because I talk so much that.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. I think it depends right, because
Speaker 3: it's not for everyone. And I like Academics' content because
Speaker 3: for me, it's like, for example, at the moment, I'm
Speaker 3: doing this Young Boy story, and Academics has got Hella
Speaker 3: stream clips where he's got going off for an hour
Speaker 3: ranting about Young Boy, and it's kind of like for me,
Speaker 3: it's almost like if if I don't want to hear
Speaker 3: another Young Boy album, I just want to hear, you know,
Speaker 3: Academics talk on all different angles about his beef with
Speaker 3: Young Boy, and maybe I'll find a few interesting things
Speaker 3: he says in that conversation that I'm like, oh damn,
Speaker 3: that made me think differently about Young Boy and Dirk's
Speaker 3: beef and maybe the motivations behind it. Like for me,
Speaker 3: that's very valuable to just tune into act ranting about
Speaker 3: young Boy for an hour and maybe I'll come away
Speaker 3: with two or three things. I'll be like, I didn't
Speaker 3: think of that. Maybe that's why Young Boys beef in him,
Speaker 3: maybe his promo, maybe that maybe Dirk finessed him, maybe
Speaker 3: he didn't. And it's kind of like you almost like
Speaker 3: let all that content wash over you in the form
Speaker 3: of like a one hour Hennessy fueled rant where dis
Speaker 3: is and he plays a song and he this is Rory.
Speaker 3: I mean, when the whole Joe Budden beef was going on. Look,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, A lot of people said I was
Speaker 3: biased and I was an academic stam but I watched
Speaker 3: so many streams where academics was jumping on live talking
Speaker 3: about as smoke Rory, and that shit was hilarious, Like
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's why I felt
Speaker 3: like Rory and Marl were naive, because I don't think
Speaker 3: they thought I was like when they were dissing academics,
Speaker 3: I was like, I know academic conversations.
Speaker 1: Rory verse hours who you got because Rory, you know,
Speaker 1: he ain't just a slouch like far as information and people,
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: Agree, I do agree. I think I would. I think
Speaker 3: me and Rory would probably have a really good debate
Speaker 3: because I think I think with academics, I think sometimes
Speaker 3: with academic especially if it's he's debating with someone he
Speaker 3: doesn't like, he's the kind of person that's just gonna
Speaker 3: yell and just say the same things over and over
Speaker 3: again and just beat you into submission. Whereas I think
Speaker 3: someone like Rory is probably going to be like, you know,
Speaker 3: giving more considered points, letting somebody else get their shit off,
Speaker 3: taking things into account, which is my thing. Like I
Speaker 3: felt like we've had a really good conversation because like
Speaker 3: I'm trying to also listen to your perspective and think,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm wrong on maybe I see a
Speaker 3: few things wrong, Like maybe I can improve the way
Speaker 3: I see things. Whereas I think ACT. I love ACT,
Speaker 3: but I think Act's not trying to hear what anyone
Speaker 3: else has to say.
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