WEBVTT - Episode 178 | King Von Documentary Heated Debate | Feat Trap Lore Ross | Part 2 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.200 That's creativity because you don't know nothing else. Anything else 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.640 is assumption because you ain't been involved. And if I'm 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:11.800 telling you as an outstanding member that the rap shits 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.360 a lot of room in that, and I ain't calling 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:17.160 the rap brothers all cap I want my rap friends 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:19.560 to know. But I'm telling you the streets is a 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.919 weird place, homie. The streets is a fucking weird place 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.600 that you ain't never ever ever seen. I'm telling you. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.520 For them dudes to survive down there, they had to 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.560 operate a certain way. I don't see him having enough 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.680 money to get out of that at that time when 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.159 he passed away. Again, rip Vaughan, because I you know, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.880 were just talking about a man like a man. Mama 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.240 ain't involved. And that's what I need you to understand. 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.800 When you running around without any kind of degree of 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:51.520 diploma diagnosing men in a culture you ain't had nothing 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:51.960 to do with. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.200 What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit? 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.200 What about the seven mothers of the people that here? 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.440 What are you giving them about? What are you giving 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:02.920 him by making a YouTube documentary? And with you the 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:05.679 only one benefit from they need to getting none from 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:07.120 their documentary homing. 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:09.000 What what about? What about the millions of dollars Von 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.440 made making music making fun of their dead relatives? 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.280 What you got to do with that? Is what I'm saying. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:16.759 Because I'm reporting on Ex's facts. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.319 That's okay, So you're gonna just car it facts you. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.600 Got just bro Okay, Okay, but like here's the thing. Okay, bro, 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.600 but here's the thing. Okay. But not to be disrespectful, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:28.440 but I think I got a three and a half 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.480 hour documentary going piece by piece into Von's own statements 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.920 that he said he killed people, he killed witnesses. You 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:38.560 know these are Von's own statements, right, And your argument 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:39.840 is it's all cap and I just. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.760 Don't margin entertainment. 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.800 You're dealing with shit this on beats, with production that's 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.160 been put out to the public. See you you you 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.880 you're framing it like you got it, like the FBI, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.360 like you've done tap somebody phone, like you listened then 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.320 on a hell of a conversation. You're listening to music 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.920 and entertainers speak creatively out in public, and then you 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.680 going home with your obsession and creating some sort of 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.360 thing out of our culture. When I'm trying to tell 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.000 you ain't homie listen to me, Homie, Nah nah, They 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.120 saying Vonn want them real niggas in this rap game 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.720 and rap game flow anytime we talking, ain't nobody listen. 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.120 Nobody really from my culture gonna sit next to you 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.120 and say Vonn killed. 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.640 Anybody understand that? 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.560 That's that? I agree, and I think that's that's disgusting. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:31.040 Why because you've got seven people who allegedly lost their 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:32.720 lives at the hands of this man, and I think 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.360 they deserve justice or at least closure. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:35.920 Closure don't come through you. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:38.359 Respecting them. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.799 Listen, this is the problem I even have with ten ninety. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.919 Closures don't come through you. Closure for them, folks don't 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.000 come through No white man in the UK, with all 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:49.919 due respect, because I like. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.920 Von von Is, unfortunately you know no longer with us. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:55.800 What do you say about the five people who are 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.880 currently in custody for the murder of FBG Duck? 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.679 What do you mean? What do I say? I say, 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:01.239 all Peter FBG Duck. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.280 I'm a general, right, so I ain't involved in them niggas, Beef. 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:07.440 I'm coming from the South with some game. I'm a 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.680 game bang. I put game down. I got rich from talking. 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.280 I'm letting folks know how to elevate from out of 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.320 that water that you keep coming on. That damn near 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:20.079 drown me, that drowned a lot of my homeboys. I'm 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.919 teaching niggas how to get out of that, and I'm 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.240 trying to tell you, homie, but you don't want to 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.959 accept because you keep talking to me. I don't nobody 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.840 to die in this culture. L r Ip Duck Vaughn, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.720 any boy, all them niggas. I hope all of us 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.440 understand that we kings and the rise up. But I'm 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:40.240 telling you that the understanding of our culture is off 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.080 when you talking about it. You diagnosed the man. What 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.720 about his children? They got a girl stand He called 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:47.600 him a serial killer. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:48.760 He ain't even been convicted. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:51.400 This is a really interesting one because most people say 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:53.840 this to men, and no one seems to think like 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.000 his children are up hearing him in a million songs 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.559 talk about he's entertainment. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.480 You made a documentary, Damn like the news speaking with conviction. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.080 He's been on the news a million times. Was it 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:07.880 was the Atlanta local news wrong for talking about him 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:11.480 catching an alleged motiicator an attempted motive case like, but 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:12.480 the fact. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.720 Listen to what I'm saying. The way that the news 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:18.680 reported is totally different. They report someone was arrested for 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.320 a crime. You reported that a man was a serial killer. 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:23.640 You're gonna put. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.520 Them to on you talking the loone. I've got rich talking. Brother. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.479 I listen, you're talking to me. 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.039 You telling me them the same cause they say, Yo, rapper, 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.560 King Vaughn rap a little Dirk arrested. You telling me 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.400 that's the same from you sitting down saying King Vaughn 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.560 raps first serial killer, A. 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.880 Nigga, ain't never did nothing. That got nothing to do 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:43.560 with nothing. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.680 Don't even again, he didn't. He can't say he did nothing. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.000 I'm talking about you. I'm saying your interpretation of it. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.560 I'm saying you looking at it, but I think you 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.120 missed you you reading it wrong. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.280 That's my perception. That's I'm king vo Go ahead. 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.960 King King Von meets the f definition of a serial killer. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:02.479 That's false. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:03.799 Facts, that's fact. 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:04.880 That's false. Pull it up. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.040 He does. It's in the video. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:09.480 I looked at facts. 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:10.640 It's facts. 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:12.880 He is not a serial killer. 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.559 More than three more than three motive. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.280 He has been convicted no more than. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.479 A month of time. He said he killed the witness. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.359 He said he killed the witness, he said. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:28.359 He killed. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:30.160 Yeah, I'm let's let's keep it that in. We are human, right. 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.120 Have you ever exaggerated, trap Lord Ross? Have you ever 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.960 been hold on? Trap Lord Ross? Have you ever been 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.120 paid to exaggerate? Trap Lord Ross. We're trying to get 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.520 out the ghetto. People like you so infatuated with our 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.600 culture and the criminal element of it, they paying us. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.400 We're trying to get out the ghetto. Homie. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.440 You don't think we'll put a little cap on it 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:52.680 to come out the ghetto. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.400 You niggas like you obsessed with I can sell you, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:57.599 ain't it? God damn thing. 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.600 If I'm king Vaughan, you don't think I'm gonna put 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:00.839 a little our moanent. 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:04.000 Don't really did that? And everyone said he was real. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.279 He's everybody said. When Von was like, Von is the realist, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.479 no cap. Von called out young boy and said, you 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.160 got cap in your wraps. You're saying, you're saying Von 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.000 have capp in his wraps like he told young boy. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.680 I'm saying that we will exaggerate if we're paid to exaggerate. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:19.600 But we're not. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:24.760 Unfortunately, because I want to know that he's I'm not 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.960 talking about Von. This is the whole point I'm trying 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.640 to get you to understand. I'm yeah, because you're obsessed 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.520 with Vaughn. But I'm telling you that this Vaughn is 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:37.000 a product of the culture. Our culture produces a certain thing. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.320 We are trying to get out of our circumstances. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:45.080 All we ever had was ball playing and rapping. The nigga. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.040 They done told us that they'll pay us if we exaggerate. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:49.840 He might be the. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.080 Realist nigga in the world. I might be the realist. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.080 But if I get on the wrap and can't, no 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.680 nigga say I'm lying. Like me, I might tell a 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.000 nigga nigga, I sold a thousand bricks in a day. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.200 He who gonna say I'm laying when they know I hamm, 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:04.159 they can't count. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:05.400 But if so, listen, But. 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.000 If you but if you said you were selling a 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.400 thousand bricks a day, and you'd been in court for 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:11.480 selling bricks and you beat the case, and you were 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.600 on a song saying I killed the witness, like, I 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.720 just don't think. I just think that that's I'm just 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.800 talking about Von. I'm not trying to characterize an entire 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:22.880 group of But you got cap rappers. There are plenty 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:23.960 of cap rappers. Von wasn't one. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.760 No, no, no, listen, I want you to understand that 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:32.360 the rap culture is exaggerated, sir. I'm trying to help 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.160 you understand that the cars isn't a lot of these guys, 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.720 some of the jury is rented. The culture is exaggerated. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.720 You are so obsessed with it that you have bit 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.040 this shit and believe that every you've took in tweets 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.240 and diagnosed the man. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:47.760 What the fuck do you say to that? 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.120 Well? As I said before, you know, I am a widow. 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:54.920 Like not many people want to sit and make a 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.560 three and a half hour documentary on Von, so I 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.480 don't know. I can't tell you why, but all I 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.920 will tell you is that I I read every single 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.040 tweet King Voon ever made in his entire life, which 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.920 not a lot of people trying to do. And that's 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:07.320 a weird thing, and that's obsessive. And people might say 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:08.920 that's sus or something. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:11.160 I paid up when you've done it. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.400 Not at all. No, no, no, that's the thing. I 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.320 read every tweet King Von ever made because I was 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.120 I was doing the story. My intention for this story, 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.360 and I've said it before, I was trying to debunk. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.760 I was actually hoping, not hoping, but I was thinking, 0:08:24.800 --> 0:08:27.560 I'm gonna he said. Vaughn said a million times, I've 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.760 got seven bodies. Talk about bodies. I got several bodies. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.080 I got a few three plus four. Von was talking 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.040 about you have seven bodies. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.320 My intention was talking about it. He was rapping about it. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.320 And it's on music that's produced and has millions of 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:46.240 dollars involved with it. They pay to project he got 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.440 more than five O they pet They pay our rabbers 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.000 to project violence. They've told our rappers to exaggerate criminal 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.880 culture and sell it to our children. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.520 They I'm not disagreeing. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.120 I'm not disagreeing taking I'm talking about Yeah, but you're 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.920 taking his tweets, no convictions, you're taking his tweets and 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.000 diagnosing him without a degree of diploma. 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.360 I'm going by the FBI definitions. And you did say 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.800 earlier you said you know if there was an FBI conviction. Well, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.839 I'm going by the FBI definition of a serial killer. 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.280 I'm going by the tweets where he himself said he 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.600 killed this person killed I can name five gdsst I'll 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.840 even give you because eight years before he was rapping, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:27.120 he said, I killed five gends. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.440 I'll even give you the fact before i'll give you. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.679 I'll even give you the fact if you want to 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.160 go by the FBI definition. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.000 But the next sentence is where you're wrong. 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:40.280 When he said, all right, I'm going by the FBI definition, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.560 and I'm also going by his tweets, Well, that's where 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:47.800 you're wrong. You're going by man tweets. Ain't anything that 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.520 you that you didn't do. Have you ever lied on 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:55.280 a tweet, misrepresenting anything on the Instagram post, misrepresenting anything 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.000 on social media? Or you just that one guy out 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.160 that is never ever putting up on social media that 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.480 in the moment, like I posted the other day. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:05.600 I'll give you an example. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.199 Yes, today I had to delete it because I told 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.600 somebody I hit my ex and I told her because 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.240 she's been good to me. I said, I'm gonna send 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.000 you a fitty piece. You've been real good to me, man, 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.720 I'm gonna seen you fitted recks. Don't you know she 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.679 just liked the thing. She didn't say thank you, So 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.160 I didn't send it and I posted about it. I said, 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.800 how about I just told this motherfucker I said, I 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.000 would go sit here and then girls go to comment. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.840 I had to delete it because it wasn't even It's like, damn, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.640 mightna got it? I let my emotions trick me. So 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:40.360 have you ever posted something that wasn't true or that 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:41.560 you exaggerated? 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.600 This is a good question. I'll be completely honest. I 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.040 probably have a long time ago, but I personally in 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.240 my own life, with the maturity of maybe the last 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.480 five or six years and before, like during the whole 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.199 having success on YouTube, my personal philosophy on life is 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:02.959 I don't respect lying, or I don't really respect I 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.880 think it's dishonorable to lie about your circumstances, to try 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.200 and present yourself as something you're not. I don't wear 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.480 fancy jewelry. I don't wear fancy clothes, like I've got 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.240 a nice set of shoes. Maybe, but like I, even 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.200 though I love hip hop and I like you know, 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.640 I'm familiar with the flashy element of hip hop, I 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.800 try and live a humble and honest life because those 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:20.440 are my personals. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.280 You lie when you called him a serial killer without convictions, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:24.120 that was a lie. 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:28.000 I disagree because I think that there's plea of other 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.120 evidence that I'm not trying to convict him in a 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:31.440 court of law. I'm just trying to make. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.559 You can't supersede the court of law, especially on a 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:40.600 murder he did. 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:41.960 He said he killed the witness. 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:42.320 He did. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.440 Yo, you're superseding the court of law. They don't even 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.040 call him a murderer at all. You skip all of 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.200 that and call him a serial killer. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.480 I believe if Vaughan was still alive, he would be 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.520 in the Rico case with the five people who killed 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.720 their FPG Duck, and I think they would have been diagnesstic. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.559 That's my genuine and. 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.840 Hey, so to your belief but we can't eat our beliefs. 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.000 Beliefs don't do a nigga damn thing. That shit don't 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:10.840 mean nothing. Let me ask you this, what the fuck 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:15.480 was out in the assu What was we just talking about? 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.840 Trel my personal beliefs, not being not flashing and presenting 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:20.679 yourself for something or not. 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.720 Yeah, okay, okay, so online you've never you've you've never, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.280 Oh this is what I was gonna say. Do you 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.160 I believe you know this? You're content creator? Do you 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.280 know that there's an arena where you benefit from laying online. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.560 Yes, I know that's true. But here's the thing. My 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.520 whole thing, my whole thing, and if you watch my videos, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.040 anybody that is a fan of me will say my thing. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.840 For the all the years that I've been making content, 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.920 I try and keep everything as real as factual. I 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.720 do a lot more research than other channels. I try 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:56.400 and come, look, nobody else is looking at every tweet 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.400 King Voon ever did. And there's been there's been loads 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.040 of other videos about him being a serial what mads, 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.880 there's a video about Oh that's the thing. I'll go 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.600 back a minute ago is that I heard von saying 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.000 so many songs he killed seven people that I was like, 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:11.599 I'm gonna I just want to check. I want to 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.160 find out did he did he kill seven people? 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:13.240 Not? 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:14.960 Is there and is there anything to go on? And 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.040 one of the things VN was famous for was tweeting 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.480 about his ops. It's known all of his tweets are 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.520 still there on Twitter. I just went all the way 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.880 back to the start and I said, you know what, 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.040 let me just read these and I'll just sit I'll 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.680 just see what I can learn and I'll be honest. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.640 I was genuinely surprised once I started going through and 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.840 then realizing, hang on, he's saying here, like, l ol, 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.280 who died today? And then I'm looking at the news 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.600 article for the guy that died and it's fifteen minutes 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.880 before he tweeted. So I just keep going. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.400 Through looking for a nail man. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.000 You I can understand what you went. I'm telling you. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.160 So you're like, yo, he killed seven people. 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:52.360 All I'm looking for now his clues to put together 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.000 seven things that the police didn't put together. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.199 Sure, but but I didn't know this is the thing, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.640 right when I you are right. But when I started 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:02.120 looking at his tweets, I didn't know that I would 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.080 find all of this stuff where he's literally tweeting after 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.400 the murder shot him in six shots to the face, 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:08.800 l M A O and ship or like who died? 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:09.480 Early? 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.600 Bird gets the worm when he's when somebody has been 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.719 killed that morning, like it's And I'll admit, look, I'm 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:19.680 not I'm not a federal investigator. I've got bonds because 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.560 Von everybody said Von was the realist rapper. He's on 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:27.920 the song saying he's got I looked up Dirk millions 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:33.880 of interviews were Dirk saying, Von's the realist. There's hell, okay, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:40.080 the rap industry, little Dirk, I mean okay, uh, Little 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.960 Dirk said, Von's the realist. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.400 Look how hard this is for you to guarantee. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.240 This is from memory? Take take no, I give it 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:51.160 to you. I give it. I believe, take a pond. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:55.400 Take let me. I don't even know Tay six hundred, 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:57.760 but this is what I mean. I know, So Tay 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.040 six hundreds on interviews talking about kings up up in 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.840 the morning, ready to drill at seven am, and you being. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.640 Paid for interviews, paid interviews. You're taking all this out 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.800 of context. Again, you're acting like the Fears and thinking 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.440 that you're getting in on tap conversations or you preve 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:18.040 youw to some information. These are interviews that people are 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:21.600 being paid for, rap lyrics that King Vaughan is being 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.880 paid for their incentivized our rappers to lie and exaggerate 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:30.000 criminal culture to our children. And you bit debate and 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.240 you're telling me, standing member, but. 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.800 Here's the thing, and I'm I'm really I'm enjoying this 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.760 conversation because I think it's I think it's it's good 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.640 and it's interesting to hear the different perspectives and see 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:44.960 where maybe I'm coming short. But I think what's important 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.520 is to understand. So your perspective is it just so 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.960 I understand it is essentially that hip hop in general 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.200 is embellished to a certain degree. So what you're saying 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.920 to your premise that you're saying to me is that 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.640 we can't take any of King Von's statements, his tweets, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.000 his lyric or his interviews or anybody that Nuveon that 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.120 was in tweets interviews saying he was the realist. We 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.640 have to disregard all of that and we can only 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.480 go on the government criminal federal conviction. 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.160 No, that's not what I'm saying. Exactly what I'm saying 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.000 is we need to frame this as what it is 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.840 and the arena we found it in, which was entertainment, rap 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:22.480 lyrics on produced beats that's giving out to the public 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.560 with millions of dollars of marketing involved in it, and 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.040 we need to recognize the structure that it's a part of, 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:33.200 which is exaggerate criminal culture for benefit. You may not 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.320 understand what lane do for a man where we come from, 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.040 but sometimes where we come from lank and get you 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.040 from shit to sugar. Lank can get you from know 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.760 where A stated in that girl house. Some of these 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:45.960 guys come up like that. 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:46.200 Me. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.080 I pay for everything. I don't lie. I don't have 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.680 to lie. But I'm telling you that some people live 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.360 like that in this culture. There's things in this culture 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.360 that you don't understand because you didn't come up here. 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.840 So I'm telling you, brother, that it's too any different 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.360 ever news to be to benefit from when you exaggerate 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.600 criminal culture for me to say, Yo, he ain't been convicted. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.720 I can't let you call him a serial killer, a 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:12.479 real nigga. 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:13.760 Go ahead, fuck it. 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.679 They called him a real nigga. Fuck it, serial killer, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:19.040 Damn brother. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.159 I kind of I do kind of agree with the 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.440 first part because at the end of the day, in general, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.520 you are right. But the area where we disagree on 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.120 is this that when King Vohn was alive, everybody said 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.360 he was the realist. And I guess I'm now understanding 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:35.840 where we really disagree is that you say that there's 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.399 this culture of lying for benefit, for financial benefit, to 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.280 build up this image, and you're essentially saying that Vaughn 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.880 and the people around him were perpetrating this falsehood that 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.080 Von was this saying Again my disagreement is that I 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:50.760 believe Von when he said he killed all these people 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:51.600 because everyone said he was. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.119 I'm saying, the first thing you said was right about me, 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.880 which framing of the culture in regards to they benefit 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:02.480 from exaggeration, right one. The second part of the second 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.560 part I need you to understand that I'm saying is 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:05.960 is that. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.679 Fuck, I just lost my fucking point. What were we 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:17.040 talking about? What did I just say before that that? 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.600 What did you say? I said? I mean you said 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.119 that they were they was lying, they were capping. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.639 Yeah, that's the thing that I'm saying. Everybody said, Okay. 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.200 So the second part was they're saying Voughn was real 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.119 in comparison to the rappers because the rappers, again, a 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.440 lot of these rap guys again have been placed here. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.040