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Speaker 1: were just talking about a man like a man. Mama

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Speaker 1: When you running around without any kind of degree of

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Speaker 2: What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit?

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Speaker 3: What about the seven mothers of the people that here?

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Speaker 1: What are you giving them about? What are you giving

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Speaker 3: What what about? What about the millions of dollars Von

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Speaker 2: What you got to do with that? Is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Because I'm reporting on Ex's facts.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, So you're gonna just car it facts you.

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Speaker 3: Got just bro Okay, Okay, but like here's the thing. Okay, bro,

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Speaker 3: know these are Von's own statements, right, And your argument

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Speaker 2: Don't margin entertainment.

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Speaker 1: You're dealing with shit this on beats, with production that's

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Speaker 1: and entertainers speak creatively out in public, and then you

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Speaker 1: saying Vonn want them real niggas in this rap game

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Speaker 1: Nobody really from my culture gonna sit next to you

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Speaker 2: Anybody understand that?

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Speaker 3: That's that? I agree, and I think that's that's disgusting.

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Speaker 3: Why because you've got seven people who allegedly lost their

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Speaker 2: Closure don't come through you.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is the problem I even have with ten ninety.

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Speaker 1: Closures don't come through you. Closure for them, folks don't

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Speaker 3: Von von Is, unfortunately you know no longer with us.

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Speaker 3: What do you say about the five people who are

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Speaker 1: I'm a general, right, so I ain't involved in them niggas, Beef.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming from the South with some game. I'm a

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Speaker 1: You made a documentary, Damn like the news speaking with conviction.

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Speaker 3: He's been on the news a million times. Was it

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Speaker 1: Listen to what I'm saying. The way that the news

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Speaker 2: Nigga, ain't never did nothing. That got nothing to do

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about you. I'm saying your interpretation of it.

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Speaker 2: That's my perception. That's I'm king vo Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: King King Von meets the f definition of a serial killer.

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Speaker 2: That's false.

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Speaker 2: That's false. Pull it up.

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Speaker 3: He does. It's in the video.

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Speaker 2: He is not a serial killer.

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Speaker 3: More than three more than three motive.

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Speaker 2: He has been convicted no more than.

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Speaker 3: A month of time. He said he killed the witness.

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Speaker 3: He said he killed the witness, he said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm let's let's keep it that in. We are human, right.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever exaggerated, trap Lord Ross? Have you ever

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Speaker 2: We're trying to get out the ghetto. Homie.

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Speaker 1: You don't think we'll put a little cap on it

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Speaker 2: You niggas like you obsessed with I can sell you,

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Speaker 1: If I'm king Vaughan, you don't think I'm gonna put

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Speaker 3: Don't really did that? And everyone said he was real.

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Speaker 3: He's everybody said. When Von was like, Von is the realist,

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Speaker 3: no cap. Von called out young boy and said, you

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that we will exaggerate if we're paid to exaggerate.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, because I want to know that he's I'm not

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Speaker 1: a product of the culture. Our culture produces a certain thing.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to get out of our circumstances.

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Speaker 2: All we ever had was ball playing and rapping. The nigga.

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Speaker 2: They done told us that they'll pay us if we exaggerate.

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Speaker 2: He might be the.

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Speaker 1: Realist nigga in the world. I might be the realist.

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Speaker 1: But if I get on the wrap and can't, no

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Speaker 1: He who gonna say I'm laying when they know I hamm,

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Speaker 2: But if so, listen, But.

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Speaker 3: If you but if you said you were selling a

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Speaker 3: just don't think. I just think that that's I'm just

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Speaker 3: group of But you got cap rappers. There are plenty

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Speaker 3: of cap rappers. Von wasn't one.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, listen, I want you to understand that

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Speaker 1: You are so obsessed with it that you have bit

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Speaker 2: What the fuck do you say to that?

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Speaker 3: Well? As I said before, you know, I am a widow.

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Speaker 3: Like not many people want to sit and make a

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Speaker 2: I paid up when you've done it.

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Speaker 3: Not at all. No, no, no, that's the thing. I

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Speaker 3: I was doing the story. My intention for this story,

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Speaker 3: and I've said it before, I was trying to debunk.

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Speaker 3: I was actually hoping, not hoping, but I was thinking,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna he said. Vaughn said a million times, I've

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Speaker 3: got seven bodies. Talk about bodies. I got several bodies.

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Speaker 3: I got a few three plus four. Von was talking

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Speaker 2: My intention was talking about it. He was rapping about it.

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Speaker 1: And it's on music that's produced and has millions of

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Speaker 1: more than five O they pet They pay our rabbers

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Speaker 1: to project violence. They've told our rappers to exaggerate criminal

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Speaker 3: They I'm not disagreeing.

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Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing taking I'm talking about Yeah, but you're

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Speaker 3: I'm going by the FBI definitions. And you did say

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Speaker 3: earlier you said you know if there was an FBI conviction. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm going by the FBI definition of a serial killer.

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Speaker 3: I'm going by the tweets where he himself said he

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Speaker 3: killed this person killed I can name five gdsst I'll

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Speaker 3: even give you because eight years before he was rapping,

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Speaker 3: he said, I killed five gends.

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Speaker 2: I'll even give you the fact before i'll give you.

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Speaker 1: I'll even give you the fact if you want to

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Speaker 1: go by the FBI definition.

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Speaker 2: But the next sentence is where you're wrong.

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Speaker 1: When he said, all right, I'm going by the FBI definition,

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Speaker 1: and I'm also going by his tweets, Well, that's where

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Speaker 1: you're wrong. You're going by man tweets. Ain't anything that

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Speaker 1: you that you didn't do. Have you ever lied on

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Speaker 1: a tweet, misrepresenting anything on the Instagram post, misrepresenting anything

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Speaker 1: Yes, today I had to delete it because I told

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Speaker 1: You lie when you called him a serial killer without convictions,

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Speaker 3: I disagree because I think that there's plea of other

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Speaker 3: He said he killed the witness.

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Speaker 1: Hey, so to your belief but we can't eat our beliefs.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I know that's true. But here's the thing. My

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Speaker 3: Is there and is there anything to go on? And

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Speaker 2: Through looking for a nail man.

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Speaker 3: You I can understand what you went. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: So you're like, yo, he killed seven people.

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Speaker 1: All I'm looking for now his clues to put together

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Speaker 3: Sure, but but I didn't know this is the thing,

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Speaker 2: Early?

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Speaker 3: Bird gets the worm when he's when somebody has been

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Speaker 3: Von everybody said Von was the realist rapper. He's on

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Speaker 3: of interviews were Dirk saying, Von's the realist. There's hell, okay,

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Speaker 3: Dirk said, Von's the realist.

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Speaker 2: Look how hard this is for you to guarantee.

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Speaker 3: This is from memory? Take take no, I give it

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Speaker 1: Paid for interviews, paid interviews. You're taking all this out

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing, and I'm I'm really I'm enjoying this

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Speaker 3: I understand it is essentially that hip hop in general

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Speaker 1: No, that's not what I'm saying. Exactly what I'm saying

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Speaker 3: Me.

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Speaker 1: I pay for everything. I don't lie. I don't have

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Speaker 1: So I'm telling you, brother, that it's too any different

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Speaker 1: ever news to be to benefit from when you exaggerate

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Speaker 1: I can't let you call him a serial killer, a

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Speaker 1: real nigga.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, fuck it.

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Speaker 1: They called him a real nigga. Fuck it, serial killer,

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Speaker 1: Damn brother.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, the first thing you said was right about me,

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Speaker 2: Fuck, I just lost my fucking point. What were we

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Speaker 2: How much they want right now? For some what is

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Speaker 1: So I'm saying that he is real in comparison to

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Speaker 1: I all say them niggas right there, I'm kind of

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Speaker 2: And take their money, rob him for millions.

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Speaker 1: You understand, ain't listen, that would beat no robbing the

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Speaker 1: I'm loud about that. You understand, these boys that get

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Speaker 1: These boys will lie to get out of these circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Brother, And that's one fact. Vonn is specific.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that they saying he was a real

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Speaker 2: Fuck shit. That's in the industry.

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Speaker 2: I'm quoted the realist.

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Speaker 1: Nigga out every nigga in the game loved me everybody

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Speaker 1: It's clear nobody's never talked like this every But guess what,

439
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm only real.

440
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 2: It's real niggas than me.

441
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 1: I tell in the streets, we're talking about niggas that's

442
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 1: maintaining millions of dollars in the.

443
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: Streets and controlling their neighborhoods. I'm controlling the internet. You

444
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 2: feel me.

445
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 1: It's a different thing. Even though I was a boss

446
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 1: on the street, I ain't there no more. I'm here now.

447
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, bruh. In comparison to I look

448
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: at Vaughn. I think everybody around Vaughn was saying, naw,

449
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: he's still a nigga. Can't play with Vaughn. He still

450
00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: he'll found you right now playing. He'll crank the fight

451
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: off now. He wanted them like he and you took

452
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 1: that to me. Everything he say was the truth or

453
00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: all the ord is. He wasn't convicted off he did,

454
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 1: or he's a serial killer again to say he was

455
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 1: involved in ship.

456
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: That's one thing. The serial killer is where you lost me.

457
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 2: I said, Damn, he lost me. He lost me.

458
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 1: The boy got children, the boy got a mama. That's legacy.

459
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: Talk three hours, that's legacy.

460
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 3: To still you can still be a serial killer if

461
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 3: you've got children, if you've got a family, if you

462
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 3: did good but convicted.

463
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: Ain't talking about that. I'm talking about you skipped the

464
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: first part.

465
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 3: You gotta read all his tweets.

466
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 2: Man, I can't go off tweets, my nigga. You know

467
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: I read tweeted something.

468
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 1: I just gave you a whole example of something I

469
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 1: tweeted that was bullshit.

470
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I can't go off.

471
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: Tweet to the rappers in the game.

472
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: Bro, What are all the Fun's friends gonna say when

473
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: they hear your saying.

474
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 1: I didn't say cap I say he real. In regards

475
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: to the rappers in the game, I know you want

476
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: to frame it that way, but they know I'm to go. Everybody. Brother,

477
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: everybody know I'm to go every They ain't check out

478
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: with me. Everybody know I'm gonna go. I get to

479
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 1: talk like this what I said about Vaughn is in

480
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: comparison to the rappers, they gonna place him amongst the realists, right.

481
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: But as far as you convicting him of being a

482
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: serial killer without evidence, I know they want me to

483
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: stand up for that.

484
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: I know they no loan no, only nigga can talk

485
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 2: like that. Get that, get that straight long.

486
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm the only niggn doing Everybody, you don't talk to you,

487
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: don't smother them.

488
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm the only nigga can do this. Nobody else can.

489
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: And I ain't saying I'm saying, give you another understanding

490
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: of what the circumstances are.

491
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: Nobody else could do it.

492
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: I get where you're coming from. Aut I do respect you.

493
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, but I still think he did all that.

494
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 1: H that's real. I can't take that from you. What

495
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: you think about ten ninety j Man.

496
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: I love ten nighty Man shouts tonight, Jake. I know

497
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 3: that at the moment, a lot of people are not

498
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: feeling him. I think we're actually in a real interesting

499
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 3: era of hip hop. And it relates to a US

500
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: conversation because I think this is a really I think

501
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 3: it's a really good topic because hip hop and I

502
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 3: say this at the start of the King Von documentary.

503
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 3: Hip hop has always been a genre that's always been

504
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 3: about realness both is this person real? Are they telling

505
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: the real version of their story? Or is this embellished?

506
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: Is this a fake version of the story. And I

507
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: think something that's really big and hip hop in the

508
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 3: last few years, especially since the six nine case, is

509
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: our people solid? Are people not snitching? Is this guy

510
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: really solid? Is this guy a snitch? And I think

511
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: the ten Knight Jake.

512
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: Hold on before we minded, because that was a good point.

513
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that a little before we get to him.

514
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: What I think is the circumstances of a lot of

515
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: these gentlemen changed. I believe you can be solid in

516
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 1: the streets and a sucker in the industry. I believe

517
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: that once you get some money, you could say I

518
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: vowed never to go back to that, even though I

519
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: was with whatever when I was out there. But lord,

520
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: I ain't never going back if it means I'm stitching

521
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: and see that ain't my style. But I understand when

522
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: some of these boys go to jail. The boy got mansions,

523
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: ten thousand square feet, six or seven women, Bentley trucks,

524
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: private jets. The boy want to go home, and they

525
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: probably ain't really cut like that to begin with. If

526
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: you check a lot of these dudes records, they may

527
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: never been in trouble. So you again, you looking at

528
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: the I'm trying to tell you, behind the curtain, it's

529
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: a nigga struggling to get out of poverty.

530
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: What do that take? Nigga called me up? Ain't long?

531
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: I need a necklace? Ain't long?

532
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: I need to watch bro. I'm trying to you know,

533
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do my rap thing. If you're a

534
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: big home and you still in, you gotta respect that.

535
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, because again, everybody fighting to

536
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: get out a lot of times, a lot of times

537
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: you look in the backdrop, it's somebody else money back there.

538
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: That's why I take pride and moving by myself when

539
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: I make qcpe them, niggas say you by yourself. I'm

540
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: by myself, you feel me? Because I want ain't nobody

541
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: funding this operation. I'm CEO talent everything. I'm him right,

542
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: and so I want people to know that because I

543
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: need people to know it's possible to do it like that,

544
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: cause people thank you.

545
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: You gotta click up.

546
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: That's what's causing a lot of this ricoing because a

547
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: lot of niggas clicking up when they ain't ready for that.

548
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: You don't got no business doing that because when it

549
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: hit the fan, you're gonna fumble every time, you see

550
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I think that the circumstances sometimes

551
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: have changed. Right, So again, you could be a lot

552
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: of these guys maybe halfway solid in the street, may

553
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: done have the bed before they do undone and shit

554
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe got a couple of criminal charges, but

555
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: now thene got three million. Now I got this big crib,

556
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: I got three bad bitches.

557
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: It's light.

558
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm living and I'm strung out on drugs. See that's

559
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: the other part. You gotta put that in your pipe

560
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: and smoking niggas is strung on drugs. They can't go

561
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: three four days without some of that shit at hurt.

562
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: That first week in jail is torture. So now they

563
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: they again, I think it's all of that. But but

564
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: what do you say to that? I want I just

565
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: wanted to stop you because I think that it's somewhere

566
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: along the lines these dudes' minds are changed in which

567
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: they like, I don't know, I ain't leaving this lifestyle.

568
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: I actually, you know, I agree with everything you've just said,

569
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 3: to be honest, and I think it's it's really interesting

570
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: because I think this would be a good topic for

571
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: us to beate. Look, I'm a guy. I'm a white guy,

572
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 3: nerdy guy wearing glasses. I come from a small town

573
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: in England. So you can't say I'm from out of

574
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: the streets. You can't say that I am somebody that

575
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 3: has to abide by the street code or no snitching. Look,

576
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. I've never snitched. I saw a guy

577
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: getting beaten up outside my apartment. I call you pleen

578
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 3: once and he give a statement. But I would snitch

579
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: if I got jumped, if I got jumped to an event.

580
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: I'm talking to the best first thing. I It's always

581
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: been something interesting for me. Obviously, I'm a big fan

582
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: of hip hop. It's part of the hip hop culture

583
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: and I guess the street culture. It's in a lot

584
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: of lyrics, this never snitch mentality, and I think that

585
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: it makes sense. I think a lot of the whole

586
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: never working with the police, never trust the police obviously

587
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: comes from the fact that you know, police brutality is

588
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: a huge problem, and racism in the police force is

589
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: just true. I mean, in the UK we have the

590
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: Metropolitan Police in London and they are racist as hell.

591
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 3: You know, there's really messed up laws in the UK

592
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 3: about stop and search, and you know, black people and

593
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: other minorities getting you know, heavily targeted over white people

594
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: in the UK. So I understand why certain groups of

595
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: people don't trust the police more than others. And that's

596
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: I can't you know, I'm a white guy. I have

597
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: a different experience of the police than a back guy.

598
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: I've been pulled over by the police. I've been shouted

599
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: out by the police. I've argued with the police. I've

600
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 3: never been arrested. But I understand that my experience being

601
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: pulled over is probably going to be different to King

602
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: Von's experience being pulled over. Right, But at the same time,

603
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 3: what you just said I completely agreed with where you've

604
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: got these guides that have broken out of that cycle,

605
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: someone like young Thog or whoever. They might be worth

606
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 3: a few million dollars, They've created a successful life for themselves.

607
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: Why should they throw it all away if they get

608
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: sucked into a rico that they had nothing to do with.

609
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: To essentially, you know, stay solid and throw their life away,

610
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: their families life away, the opportunity that their family's life,

611
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: that their family had by being solid. So so when

612
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 3: you see someone like Gunner, people are saying he's a snitch.

613
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 3: You know, people are getting exposed for being a snitch.

614
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: But to me, I just think that's you know, that's

615
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 3: an individual that got into a situation and they had

616
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 3: to make a decision based on the facts that they

617
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: were in. Now that's not to say it's not dishonorable.

618
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: If you're doing a crime with somebody, to snitch on

619
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 3: them that you're involved. You're all jumping in that car

620
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 3: agreeing to do a crime together, and you flip on

621
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 3: everyone to save your ass. That's dishonorable thing to do.

622
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 3: But you know, I've always found it's an interesting debate

623
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: when it comes to the whole hip hop never snitching.

624
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: And then in recent years there's sort of almost been

625
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: like a situation where you know, there's been a lot

626
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: of debate around different artists, whether it's Gunner six ' nine,

627
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 3: you know, you're Troy Avs, Boston Richie, people sort of

628
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: debating did these guys snitch? Is it wrong? Is it right?

629
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: What they did, And you know, you've got guys like six'

630
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: nine and Troy av Now that are kind of coming

631
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: out saying, look, I cooperated because I did wrong. I

632
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 3: was done wrong, And you know what I'm saying, I'm

633
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: not going to go sit down for fifteen years over

634
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: someone that was trying to take my life. So I

635
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: think it's a really interesting debate and I would actually

636
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: love to know your opinion on whether do you think

637
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 3: that the hip hop community in general needs to maybe

638
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: move forward from this whole idea that no matter what,

639
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: you've got to follow the street code, even if you

640
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: haven't been in the streets for ten years and you're

641
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: a millionaire and you're a shining example to your community,

642
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: you know, what are the rules when you're not in

643
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: the streets anymore. You know, I'd like to know your opinion,

644
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: and I thought i'd probably agree with you on.

645
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: My thought is number one. I believe that there's a

646
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: couple different issues. One being.

647
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: The reason why we don't really believe in dealing with

648
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: the police, messing with the police whatever, is because they

649
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: misrepresent the circumstances.

650
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: Right.

651
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of what they frame in court

652
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: ain't the circumstances that's actually happen on the streets again.

653
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: And this ain't even culture because a lot of times

654
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: they in the inside, so they know exactly what they're

655
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 1: misrepresent you know, and we we dealt with that on

656
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: our fastest.

657
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: I even saw.

658
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: This football guy, I think play for Alabama get pulled

659
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: over and the police was asking him, is that I

660
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: smell weed in the car? Man, you know, let me

661
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: know what's going I smell weed. I'll work with you

662
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: if you tell me. And he look over at his

663
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: homeboy and he just say, hey, man, give me the weed.

664
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: And his homeboy like, man, I ain't doing that shit.

665
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. So he reached

666
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: over and grabbed the weed right hand it to the police,

667
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: trusting the police. Police tell him step out the car rested.

668
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: He damn, I just gave you. I thought you was

669
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: they fining a gun fand some mo weed. It's like,

670
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: we know that they ain't gonna do. They ain't gonna do, right,

671
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two. Accountability is the highest form

672
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: of adulthood, you know. And so when you're in a

673
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: situation where you need to be responsible, accountable for what

674
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: you have been involved with.

675
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: That's when he is slippery.

676
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Right, Even if you sign up for something that I

677
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: might not be involved, but the situation messy.

678
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: And if the situation messy.

679
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm involved, you know, and you could be involved in

680
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: things like even with a Rico.

681
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: That shit gets so slippery, you know. I just I don't.

682
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to feel about it, you know,

683
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how to feel about that. In regards

684
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: to snitch, I think the culture has to move forward

685
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: from so much of the no snitching concept because I

686
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: have children. My children don't abide by that. I was

687
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: the last generation that grew up in that bulld shit.

688
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. My children can call the

689
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: cops if they need to, They can communicate with the police.

690
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: I let them know this. They can't.

691
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: They cannot escape responsibility accountability.

692
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: Again, it's a difference, and.

693
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: I think the snitching thing a lot of times, it

694
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: makes you escape accountability, you know. It puts you in

695
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: a situation where I might have been involved in something

696
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: that you gonna let me out of if I get

697
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: him involved in something, And for me, that accountability concept

698
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: always kicks into my brain, you know.

699
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: But the culture as a whole.

700
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: We gotta grow up on a lot of things or

701
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: we gonna continue to be monetized from the outside. You know,

702
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: they monetize every crime that's big in our culture, right

703
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: you know, you just you know that it's a market

704
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: out there for like people want to hear about. You're

705
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: one of them. I'm one of them, Like I want

706
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: to hear about. Damn, what's it what they be talking about.

707
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: That's why I was gonna partner with you on some

708
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: shit to where that's real culture insight into what's happening.

709
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying the way it looks different

710
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: a little bit and tweaks a little bit to where

711
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: we might can go someone you know what I mean,

712
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: and split this and bust it down. But you know,

713
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: as far as understanding our culture, bro, it's so many

714
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: layers of it. You gotta understand, man, people trying to

715
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: escape this shit. Like you will see a rap nigga

716
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: try to go positive like dirt, right mam. He testing

717
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: the water, trying to see he gonna if he drop

718
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: a whole album of positive shit, it ain't. It might

719
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: do good, but it's gonna turn his people off. So

720
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: it's a weird way you gotta handle the transition of

721
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, going from from all the way street to

722
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: over here where I'm at. I'm just lucky enough to

723
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: be able to be a street nigga talking positive or

724
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: trying to at least you know what I'm saying. And

725
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm the prototype of what it's gonna look

726
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: like in the future. You know, as far as like, Yo,

727
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a dude that look all like this,

728
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: but he really on some business shit. He really on

729
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: some positive helping the culture.

730
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Right.

731
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: I'm trying to break that mold, bro, because from the outside,

732
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's no way to understand it.

733
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: That's why I had to get you on. And then's

734
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: somebody like ten ninety Jake. Let's talk about Jake. Somebody

735
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: like ten ninety Jake, and I haven't read any paperwork,

736
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: but he's taking incident reports and bits and pieces and

737
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: shit and now raiding it.

738
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: This is what I mean, Like these dudes is what

739
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: do you well?

740
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: The The interesting thing about ten Knighty Jake is, you know,

741
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: ten Knighty Jake is a blood. He's been to been

742
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: to jail, you know, he's been in the you know,

743
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: Florida State of Florida Corrections System. I'm the opposite, right,

744
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 3: I'm from a small town in the UK.

745
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 2: Going to jail. Don't mean shit.

746
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: Don't let the nigga trick you with these tattoo Hey, listen, brother,

747
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: I would say, I don't know if ten ninety Jacob blood.

748
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: Somebody gotta tell me home of Blood.

749
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: I ain't well, listen, I haven't seen it.

750
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think.

751
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 3: But this is the thing. It's like, as you said earlier,

752
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, when it comes to like realness when we

753
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: were talking about King Von, there's a spectrum and I think,

754
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to go on the real

755
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: ness street list scale, you got me, you got kind

756
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: of like me, you got ten ninety, and then maybe

757
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: you've got Von way up there. But you know, I

758
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: think I respect what he's done.

759
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: Background.

760
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah tonight, Jake. I mean, you know, I don't know

761
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 3: that much about his background. Take him you know he

762
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 3: spent time in prison. Well no, I take him to

763
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: be more street than me. And you spend time.

764
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: It's easy to be ok. They ain't saying much. And

765
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: it's in the UK. Let's be clear.

766
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: You know it's gangsters in the UK for sure, But

767
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying I don't see him being like you know.

768
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: And then my thing is, if you as a blood

769
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: why you ain't talking blood being? I know you got

770
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: some little being this around your neighborhood. I asked you

771
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: the same question, why you ain't reporting on the UK

772
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: beefs and ship Why you ain't reporting on the UK?

773
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: This is the funny thing. Well, I mean, I know,

774
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 3: you know, I know that Jake you know, doesn't report

775
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 3: on certain stuff where he lives. I think that's just sensible,

776
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: you know, I do. I did report on a lot

777
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: of stuff in the UK and when I you know,

778
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 3: when I was living in some of these areas, and

779
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: you know it kind of it it felt maybe a

780
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: little bit more risky if you're reporting on stuff that's

781
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: going on, you know, on your doorstep. But I do

782
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: have quite a few UK stories and I am planning

783
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: on doing a few more in the future, you know.

784
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: When it comes to like history and had out, well,

785
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 3: I think I think that everybody who becomes famous on

786
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: the Internet has to hide out, you know. I assume

787
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: you don't post your location where you're going to, But I.

788
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: Report on whatever I want to report on if I

789
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: call myself reporting on snitching. If if that nigga knicks

790
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: cross the yard over, if he snitched and he big

791
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: blood in the town, I got a video on blood.

792
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: I got one coming on blood. I'm cut like that.

793
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: That's how I know he ain't cut like that.

794
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: He but to a certain degree, though, you've got to

795
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: say it's that's just common sense. If it's like if

796
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: it's me, for example, you know, if I found out

797
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: that there was a you know, a murder, like literally,

798
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: I don't know. Though. It's tough though, because I mean

799
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 3: I literally I did do a video on the murders

800
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 3: and the drill conflicts.

801
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: Culture, bro, and you're reporting the culture. It shouldn't be no.

802
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be no eye, And I ain't gonna do

803
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: it around here because I'm thinking that's a little bit risky.

804
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: That's like that. I know, I get it.

805
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 3: That's just common sense because hell hella, rappers go and

806
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: film music videos on their ops block and that's a

807
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: very dangerous thing to do, and a lot of people

808
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: would be sensible enough to not do that, right, I

809
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: feel like that Jake wouldn't used to.

810
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Say no, I'm just reporting the news.

811
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: You ween. Ops.

812
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: Also you saying we ops, I ain't looking at this

813
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: ship like we are. When you add when you bumped

814
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: down on some of these good guys out, they say,

815
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: is now we're just reporting we He ain't like that.

816
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: So now all of a sudden it's ops, No, it

817
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: ain't ups.

818
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, that's that. I'm not saying that ops there.

819
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: Let me let me rephrase that, because I think I

820
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: put that cross wrong. But what I'm saying is that,

821
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: like I think it's you know that, it's just kind

822
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 3: of common sense in the sense that, like, for example,

823
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 3: after I did the King of on video I'm not

824
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: gonna lie, I had a lot of people saying they

825
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: were gonna kill me. I was getting a lot of

826
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: death threats, people from Chicago, people from other places saying

827
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna pop you, We're trying to find where you're at,

828
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and let's be real. I actually do

829
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: want to go to Chicago and film some interviews and

830
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: actually speak to some real people, but I knew I

831
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: can't be doing that this month. Wheneveryone's saying they're gonna

832
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 3: kill me, I gotta wait for this to die down.

833
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: I gotta get my safety in place to go and

834
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: do that. So that's just kind.

835
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Of comment to reporting on people in his back yard.

836
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: I don't get the correlation with that. You're talking about

837
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: coming a thousand miles reporting on a culture you don't

838
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with a black dude that's dead, right,

839
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: A murder we heat doing snitching. Murder snitching totally different, right,

840
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: It's too many differences here. I'm telling you that if

841
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: I call myself reporting on snitch culture snitch culture, I

842
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: got a snitch video coming on the guys, even if

843
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: they overhear.

844
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: But I don't as far as I know. All I

845
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: know is that, you know, Jake tends to, you know,

846
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 3: put out the videos that he wants to put out.

847
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to be scared of reporting on certain things.

848
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: But from what I understand, he just doesn't report on

849
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: the politics in the area he lives because I think

850
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: that's just common sense, you know, I don't you know,

851
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 3: I think it's rather had.

852
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: A billion dollars or would you rather fuck with these

853
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: little broke aad niggas in your backyard?

854
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: When do you say fuck with you meant positive or

855
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: negative way? That's a that's a That's an interesting question

856
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: because like, if you put it this way, right, the

857
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: guy with a billion dollars, he's got the resources to

858
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: come and fuck with you back, whereas the guys that

859
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: don't have nothing, they got nothing to lose, so they

860
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 3: can throw it all the way and crash out on you.

861
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: But it's like it's but I'm telling you, power is in,

862
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: strength is in you know, you know, it's a lot

863
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: of strength involved with with with with certain things. For me, though,

864
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: I think Jake is ruining people lives. Man, without I'm

865
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: looking into the proper things. Man, I don't I don't

866
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: appreciate what he's doing in our culture. You know, your

867
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: thing with the King Vaughn was a little slippery for

868
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: the most part. I love your kind with him just

869
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: to be a snitch page, like, it's very weird. That's

870
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: a very weird thing.

871
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: In defense of Jake, I would say that I think

872
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: right now there is this big wave in hip hop

873
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 3: of kind of snitching and exposing snitches. Jake's content wasn't

874
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: always about snitching.

875
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: You know.

876
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: I've been a follower of his content for years, and

877
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: you know it wasn't even that long ago that really

878
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 3: he would just cover a different case every day, and

879
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 3: they'd be cases all over the country and he would

880
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: report on them really well, really detailed. I think right

881
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: now he is, you know, and I don't mean disrespect

882
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: by this, but I think he's riding a wave that's

883
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: going on in the wider hip hop space where there

884
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 3: is this fascination and you to use the word used earlier,

885
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: obsession with snitching, and I think that that's a wider

886
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: obsession in hip hop where we've had a big conversation

887
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 3: guys like six ' nine, guys like Gunner. Obviously the

888
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: Boston Richie thing, Jake was associated with that, but before that,

889
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: there was just all this stuff going on about did

890
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 3: this Williams?

891
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jake, what was the difference between the raalo and

892
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: Boston Richie.

893
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: I'll admit I actually didn't get enough time. I've not

894
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: caught up on all the Rollo stuff because I've been

895
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: doing I'm working on a Young Boy project, so I'm

896
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 3: I haven't caught up with all the latest. But from

897
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: from what I understand, I don't want to say because.

898
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: According to them, because I looked into it myself, but

899
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: according to them, the gist of it is both guys

900
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: may have talked to the police. Nobody was arrested. One guy,

901
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: in his eyes, was a red the other guy wasn't.

902
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: This is what I think I'm drawing from what's happening.

903
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I haven't seen.

904
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: The Young working.

905
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm working on Okay, I'll tell you what I

906
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: got going on. Maybe you want to give me your opinion,

907
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: maybe you won't, But I'm doing I've got a video

908
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: coming I want to do kind of the whole Young

909
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: Boy life story. And the interesting thing is, Young Boy

910
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: has a bunch of songs where he says he's got

911
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 3: seven bodies. A lot of people don't seem to have realized.

912
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 3: On Young Boy's new album, he just dropped richest op

913
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 3: on the last song of the album, he actually says

914
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: he has twelve bodies, which same as the King Von situation.

915
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 3: I just want to look into this situation and say

916
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: is that true. I'm looking into it. I'm listening to King,

917
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm listening to Young boys old songs. I'm looking at

918
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: his old tweets. I'm just trying to work out is

919
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: this actually true? And I'm still working on the story.

920
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 3: But right now where I'm at, you know, it seems like,

921
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: there's a big difference between the Young Boy and the

922
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: vonn stories. But both artists are two people who are

923
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, they're associated with a lot of violence.

924
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 3: They've both put out a lot of public statements saying

925
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: that they're involved in the violence. But for Young Boy,

926
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm finding it a lot harder to find anything concrete

927
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 3: connecting him to the situations where he's saying he's got

928
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 3: all these bodies. But you know, there's not there's not

929
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: much that I found to like associate that contrast that

930
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: with Von. You know, I understand that we disagree about,

931
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 3: you know, using tweets and stuff like that, but you know, Von,

932
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: there were tons and tons and tons of tweets where

933
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: Von saying stuff that kind of correlates to other things

934
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: he said. Whereas Young Boy, I'm kind of I'm currently

935
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: researching it. I'm seeing, like.

936
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Young Boy is Young Boy learned from somebody like you know,

937
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: Von or just the Internet. He kind of grew up

938
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: a little later than Von with it. He might who

939
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: was the oldest. Yeah, young boys, so he kind of

940
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: grew up. He kind of grew up with just a

941
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: little more. He might understand it a little more. And

942
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: again me being inside of the culture. I take young

943
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: boy to be smart enough to know. That's why he

944
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: on all these different little pages. Right, So if I

945
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: ever have to go to court for some tweeted or Instagram,

946
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: you can't really you there's proof out there that I'm

947
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: on a thousand different pages.

948
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: You don't never know what page I'm on, right, And this.

949
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: Is because they'll use this bullshit Instagram and tweets like

950
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: you you got these guys are now hiding from people

951
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: like you, right and tweeting on go over here, install

952
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: Finsta like it's shit happening because people are misrepresenting things

953
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: that people are tweeting when they're in their emotions, you know.

954
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: So he may be in a situation to know that

955
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: the laws are against him from you know, tweeting certain

956
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: things from his original account or maybe saying certain things

957
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: from their account. So I stay over here, over there

958
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: or on this account. So if ever I'm brought to court,

959
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: he may not be this smart. This may be me

960
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: putting together something that ain't there.

961
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: But you know, if you have, well, I was just

962
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 3: gonna say something interesting, is like, you know, I'm not

963
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: finished for the story. I'm still doing my research but like,

964
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: for example, there's a lot of young Boy lyrics where

965
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: he sort of seems to suggest like I was trying

966
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: to shoot at this up and I missed him and

967
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: I killed his girl. There's the there's a few of

968
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: these lyrics, right, And then there's a case in twenty

969
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: seventeen where a girl got hitting the crossfire in the

970
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 3: passenger see in this incident, right, And a lot of

971
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: people online they say this was young boy. Young boy

972
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: killed this girl. But I've looked into it deeper and

973
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: there's a whole other person. There's two people that got

974
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 3: arrested for that crime. There's a guy completely unrelated to

975
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: young Boy that got convicted of the crime, but he's

976
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: in lyrics saying stuff that kind of makes people think

977
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: he did it, but it's proven it's completely unrelated. So

978
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 3: what it's making me almost think is like what you

979
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 3: were saying earlier about a lot of rappers, they're incentivized

980
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: and make money off of trying to portray this image

981
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: and make people think. But I'm almost seeing that. I'm

982
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: almost seeing like young Young Boy and Vonn it's sort

983
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: of they go in a different direction where it's like

984
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: young Boy's got all these lyrics. But then I'm looking

985
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: into it and it's like, he didn't do that shit, you.

986
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

987
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: And it ain't for you to fan if he did

988
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: or This is what's important for you to know. If

989
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: you you can't be the voice of whether he did

990
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: or didn't. I found it interesting that you've parked in

991
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: that place right to say that, Hey, I'm gonna be

992
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: responsible for saying if they did or didn't. When I'm

993
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: telling you that there's a whole underworld of shit that

994
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: you have no access to. There could be murders in

995
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: drug dylan and fucking going on. You would never know

996
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: about families and babies being here that you would never

997
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: have access to because you ain't a part of the underworld,

998
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. So what do you do

999
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: when on information you got from two thousand miles away,

1000
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: it's a nigga tweets?

1001
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: Well, this is the interesting I actually I do agree

1002
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 3: with you. I think here's the difference is that this

1003
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 3: isn't just some random guy in Baton rouge on Twitter

1004
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: saying he's killed people. This is NBA, young boy. The

1005
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: guy has got like five number one Billboard charting albums.

1006
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: You know, I'd never heard of young Boy unless this

1007
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: guy was being promoted to me by a major record label,

1008
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: Atlantic Records now Motown Records. You know, he's on the

1009
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: Billboard charts talking about he's got number one charting Billboard albums,

1010
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: and on the on the projects he's saying, I got

1011
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 3: seven bodies. So I don't think it's wrong for me

1012
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: a fan who is listening to a song that is

1013
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 3: quite literally number one on Billboard. It's the number one

1014
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: album that's being pushed to people all over the world.

1015
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 3: I just think that I understand what you're saying. I'm

1016
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: not from the culture. I throw my hands up and

1017
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: I admit that I don't have the lived experience of so.

1018
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: Do I know what to look at even solve guy?

1019
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: Do you know what to look at? The fan?

1020
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: But the hints of what may made a murder take place?

1021
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: Do you know the language we may say?

1022
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: Do you know?

1023
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: I might say, you know, it's so much, it's layers

1024
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: to it, like you might be looking right over tweet

1025
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: this speak that regularly to it you see facts.

1026
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: No, but That's what I'm trying to do. But I

1027
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: think the reason why I understand what you're saying as

1028
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 3: far as, like why am I the guy that's supposed

1029
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 3: to be the voice of this, but like, really, I

1030
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: am just the voice of the fans. I'm the voice

1031
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: of the of the fifty eight thousand people that bought

1032
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: Young Boys album in its first week when he gets

1033
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: his first week sales numbers, and I just happened to

1034
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: be the guy that listened to the lyrics and just

1035
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: said I'm going to google it until I find out

1036
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: whether this is cap or true. And it's not a case.

1037
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to convict him. I'm not trying to

1038
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 3: paint him in a negative light that isn't real. I'm

1039
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 3: genuinely perspective of I don't think I could send the prison.

1040
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 3: I don't think it's possible because I'm not a federal agent.

1041
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: I have no federal pool. If somebody in the FBI

1042
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: is currently investigating NBA Young Boy and they find it,

1043
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: will be convicted. Bruh, do you really think, like bear

1044
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: in mind.

1045
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Right now, right now, facing life in the feed, they

1046
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: went to court on the seventeenth, they bring Instagram ship

1047
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: in their YouTube ship in there on him. So I

1048
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: do know that if you put that, but that makes

1049
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: for them.

1050
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: But that's instantly. Bear in mind. This is the thing.

1051
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people get this wrong and

1052
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 3: they act like, oh, the Feds are using trap law

1053
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: Ross videos as evidence. They're not. The FEDS are using

1054
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: the same tweets I was looking at. If somebody confesses

1055
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: to a crime in a tweet and I notice it,

1056
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: and the FBI notice it, the FBI going to use

1057
00:48:59,239 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 3: it to convict him.

1058
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, do you know that they are feeling for

1059
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: understanding of the coach is? Will you know that they

1060
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: are trying to They pay people to try to put

1061
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: that stuff together that you will put together and drop

1062
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:12,479
Speaker 1: it and they.

1063
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: Say exactly, They go, he put it right together. Check

1064
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: that out.

1065
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: I'm I'm doing it for free. They probably got to

1066
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: go on payroll. But you can't tell me that the

1067
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 3: bound Ruth Police Department that is investigating young boy, he's

1068
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: got multiple open cases. You can't tell me that there

1069
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: isn't somebody that sits there and looks at his lyrics.

1070
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: But I'm evidence of the only just look on.

1071
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: People like loan, people like that you have like Adam

1072
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 1: twenty two, They can give you a little more insight.

1073
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: They literally are like, damn, what the fuck?

1074
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Is happening, right, they got their snitches and ship, Well, no,

1075
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: they got they got access to his phone.

1076
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: They can tap his phone, they can get his Instagram,

1077
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: they can get the affidat.

1078
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: But they haven't.

1079
00:49:53,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: I wish I could, if I could read right. This

1080
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: is the thing, though, it takes the FEDS a long

1081
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: time to build a case. For example, let's go back

1082
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: to King Vaughan with the situation where you got these

1083
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: five people that are currently facing trial for the murder

1084
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: of FBG Duck. Rest in peace, FBG Duck.

1085
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: You know, no.

1086
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 3: Disrespect to him, But these guys were tweeting and instagram

1087
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: messaging each other, and it's now in the papers that

1088
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 3: you know, these guys were sending messages to each other

1089
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: saying I forget the exact name of the person, but

1090
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 3: you know there was a person affiliated with a crew

1091
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: THHF that had given the location of Duck to the

1092
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 3: guys from O block, according to the Feds. And they're

1093
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: getting all of that from just looking at their phones,

1094
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: looking at their dms, which I have no access to.

1095
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: So the FEDS are working on a level that's way

1096
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 3: beyond what I'm working on. I'm working on a level

1097
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 3: as you man, and I'll admit, I'll throw my hands up.

1098
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Young Boy too. I'm literally I'm listening

1099
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: to every Young Boy song the guy's ever made and

1100
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: reading the lyrics and thinking really hard, like what's he

1101
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: actually saying. I'm weird. I can't help it. But I

1102
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: know for a fact there is some guy whose job

1103
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 3: it is on the Baton Rooge Police Department doing the same.

1104
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: Thing, even through as extensive as you gonna do. This

1105
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: is the point I'm making. They're lazy fucks.

1106
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: These people I beat complement because I try.

1107
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: You are great.

1108
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: I just I just want you to know that you're

1109
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: representing ship in the wrong way. But far as making

1110
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: a documentary style piece of content, you're you're probably one

1111
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: of the best that I've been able to see at

1112
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: it right, And I like the accent, I like all

1113
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: of it.

1114
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: I just think it's dope. You know.

1115
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: I would wish that you would stay First of all,

1116
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: let me say this, all these guys are innocent. We

1117
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: wish high vibration or a loon, wish high vibration on

1118
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: these guys, no jail time, abundance of money. We want

1119
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 1: everybody to stay free and try to get uh, save

1120
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: their family. I know what it's like to do. So

1121
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: that's number one. Have you been looking at the Joe

1122
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: butten podcast?

1123
00:51:53,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well recently? Yeah, thank you man. Well that you know, obviously,

1124
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 3: I've always been a fan of Joe Budden. I mean

1125
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: I've been a fan of Budden since I was a

1126
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: kid listening to his you know, his self titled album

1127
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 3: back in the day. You know, I've always been a

1128
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 3: fan of Budden. I've been a fan of what he

1129
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: achieved on the podcast, and to be honest, like just

1130
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: in general, I think Joe Budden is a really I've

1131
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: got to give him his flowers because Joe Budden is

1132
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: one of the very few people in this industry who

1133
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: had success as a rapper and then, you know, his

1134
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 3: career went the way it did and he didn't get

1135
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: the mainstream support that he thought he deserved. You know,

1136
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: where his beef for jay Z, that's another part of it.

1137
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 3: But except on that side, he is somebody that I

1138
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 3: really admire that he took his energy and his talent

1139
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 3: into another industry, into podcasting, and he became a goat

1140
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: top tier. You know, a lot of people put him

1141
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 3: as the number one hip hop podcaster in the game,

1142
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: and he has basically become the king of this new faith.

1143
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: But he's never compromised on who he is. Well, no, no,

1144
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: but he's some people see him as the king. He

1145
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: wouldn't be my number one, but he'd be Cop ten,

1146
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 3: top five. A complex. You know, they're trying to get

1147
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 3: him to sign the sign some sort of deal. I

1148
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: feel like they're bettering him up, baby, But then that side,

1149
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: I respect what.

1150
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: He's done, and I also think he don't think I

1151
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: hate him me. No, I think he's dope. I think

1152
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: he's did you think he stole from Roal Raymond? They've

1153
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:22,959
Speaker 1: told me he stole from.

1154
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: I think they were naive. I think they knew what

1155
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: they were dealing with when they went into that situation

1156
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 3: with Joe. And I like those guys and I respect

1157
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: what they've achieved, but I think they were naive. And

1158
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 3: you know, the show is called the Joe Budden Podcast

1159
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 3: is Joe Budden's podcast, And I think for them to

1160
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: kind of think that they could sort of like pull

1161
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 3: the strings or like you know, press the buttons on

1162
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: the show for a better lack of a better better phrase,

1163
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: I just think that was naive and I think that

1164
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 3: they're now building their own platform, and I think they're realizing,

1165
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: like Joe is a legend in the game. It was

1166
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: the Joe Buden podcast. The cultural cachet of that show

1167
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 3: was with Joe, and that they were rookies getting a

1168
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: good opportunity to be on the show. I don't think

1169
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: they had the right to kind of try and rock

1170
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: the shirt the boat and kind of, you know, demand

1171
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: so much from Joe when it's Joe Show. And I

1172
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 3: think they saw as the show was coming up that

1173
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: it was Joe Show, and now they're doing their own thing,

1174
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: and they're realizing they've got to build their cultural cash

1175
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: up from from from ground zero and Joe is Joe

1176
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: is Joe. You know, Joe is a legend of the

1177
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: game in multiple ways. And so I felt like with

1178
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: that situation, I felt like maybe they were naive. I

1179
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: also feel like them sort of getting really deep in

1180
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: the beef with DJ Academics again, I think they underestimated academics.

1181
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: Ak is another legend of this game. What is the

1182
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 3: legend one of.

1183
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: The first of all, let me deal with Let's okay,

1184
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: we can deal with don't forget that.

1185
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's contra. Let's go back.

1186
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: Even you believe Rory and Marl to feel like that,

1187
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: even if they had a contract the States, they were

1188
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: eligible to get a certain percentage, that he just reneged

1189
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: on the contract.

1190
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: This is what they're saying happened.

1191
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: So say they say, yo, we'll both take fifteen percent,

1192
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: so there's thirty percent you got to kick out whenever

1193
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: we get some. And then when it's time to kick

1194
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: the thirty out, he finds a way not to kick

1195
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: that out and sneak him on salary.

1196
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: You don't find it to be fake.

1197
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to deny that. I think that. Listen,

1198
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: Joe Budden is Joe Biden, right, Joe Biden is known

1199
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: to be a bit of a prick league guy to

1200
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: deal with, and so I felt like they knew what

1201
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: they were getting into with Joe Budden. They saw Marissa get.

1202
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: Fired Solair, he probably or you see he do he

1203
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: cut though. He a shrewd business man, so you probably

1204
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: need to buckle up.

1205
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 3: I think kind of yes. And also I think it's

1206
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: Joe's show, and I think that they played themselves thinking

1207
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 3: that they were going to kind of go on strike

1208
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: and hold Joe show for aranslom against him, and I

1209
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 3: think now that time has passed, I think Joe's show

1210
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 3: has flourished without them, and I think it's proven that.

1211
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 3: I think Joe's new co hosts are good, But I

1212
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: also think that the show works with Joe. Joe worked.

1213
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: The show works. The Joe bunpo cost works because of

1214
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 3: Joe Budden, and I think Joe Buden could have damn

1215
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 3: near anyone on that couch with him and it'd be

1216
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: a good show. I think it's it's just the show, but.

1217
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: Boy saying that I ain't worth nothing on the couch

1218
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 2: over here, Nah.

1219
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 3: Shout out to Ishman. I feel like those that's the thing.

1220
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: I feel like. I feel like those guys do add

1221
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: a lot of value, and I think it. I think

1222
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: when it first switched and Rory and Mark kind of

1223
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: got replaced, it was ishan Ice and it was kind

1224
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 3: of like, who are these guys? It's different, But I

1225
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: think it takes time for people to get into their

1226
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 3: stride and for the audience to grow to love these

1227
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 3: new people. I think that's what Adam twenty two is

1228
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 3: going through now. He's building this new team and people

1229
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: are kind of shitting on Adam and no jump brain

1230
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 3: what it used to be. The numbers are down, but yeah,

1231
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: you know, give it some time. And you know, like

1232
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: I say, no shade on the people that left, but

1233
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: you know, I think people will grow to love these

1234
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 3: new characters.

1235
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: Is the hardest thing to base. Once you do that,

1236
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: the hard pause out the way. Now it's basically figuring

1237
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: out what your chicken sandwich is, What is your selling item,

1238
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: what's your selling point? What you know, what gets the

1239
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: person to click it, what gets someone to subscribe, what

1240
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: gets them to share, what gets them to talk about

1241
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: it on socials? You start to get scientific with this shit.

1242
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: You got to get into the lab and figure out

1243
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: what make the wheels move. You know, you think Rory

1244
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: and mal underestimated academics, how.

1245
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: Well you know there was that The thing that really

1246
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: stood out to me was that situation where you know,

1247
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 3: essentially Rory allegedly went to academics' crib and put like

1248
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 3: a menacing letter through his mailbox and shit. And I

1249
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: think that they were really trying to stoke this beef

1250
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: with academics, thinking that they were sort of like, on

1251
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: this whole we're going to go up and fight against

1252
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: academics because we feel disrespected by him, sort of losing

1253
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: sight of the fact that, firstly, academics is basically the

1254
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 3: big dog in this hip hop media space. You like

1255
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: him or hate him, he is the biggest. He's the

1256
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: biggest going, He's the biggest out.

1257
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: Who's bigger than that?

1258
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: That's different. See, there's different. Okay, hipop news, Okay, in

1259
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: face he can have Okay, pop listen. What the fuck

1260
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: is hip hop news? Who's paying for that?

1261
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: What the fuck is that?

1262
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: This is what academics do is a good number one.

1263
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: They're good at creating these law What the fuck is that? What?

1264
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: How good is that? But he doesn't get paid from that.

1265
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: He gets paid for promotion because it's platform on social media.

1266
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: He gets paid from Spotify because it's podcast he gets

1267
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: and now he gets his little subs and ship from

1268
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: live streaming.

1269
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: What the fuck is hip hop? Now? I'm the best

1270
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: at hipop news? What the fuck is that?

1271
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 4: Okay?

1272
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: Let me give you Let me give you my argument

1273
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: because I get where you're coming from. But I feel

1274
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: like my perspective on it, maybe you know, maybe it

1275
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: might open your mind to how I see it. But

1276
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 3: I think with academics my biggest criticism, and I like academics.

1277
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: My biggest criticism of Academics is often I think what

1278
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: he puts out is very unpolished and rushed. You know,

1279
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: his streams. They don't look like the really slick, nice

1280
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: looking streams. They're basic. But I think the reason why

1281
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: that works for act is because his whole thing is,

1282
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 3: here's the finger on the pulse. He's reacting like before

1283
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: I've even found out the info. He's on there reacting

1284
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: to it. I find out about ship from him reacting

1285
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: before I've seen it on an actual new on the

1286
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: hip hop DX or some shit. So I think his

1287
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 3: benefit is that he is always on the balls. He's

1288
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: always ready to react. He's sat around his house waiting

1289
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: to be the first person to deliver you that news.

1290
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: And whether you like him or or hate him, he's

1291
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: always that guy. He's always the first person going, here's

1292
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: an update on the Torria meg situation. Yeah, here's a

1293
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Speaker 3: young boy thing.

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Speaker 1: But even though in the grand scheme of the market

1295
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: of the business, see I'm a businessman, see we are businessmen.

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00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: This is where they tricked the YouTube gas. It they

1297
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: tricked the YouTube gas in the fighting over these bullshit

1298
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: titles while we getting the money running the real business,

1299
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: going to get chicks for part kids, checks for documentary,

1300
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: checks for shit. That's the real game. I'm learning this

1301
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: from Charlemagne. You don't let him trick you into this

1302
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: mud slinging YouTube shit and you don't make nothing, you

1303
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: don't own nothing. Then your channel gets striped back at

1304
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: ground zero. You don't don't play that game. Academics them

1305
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: are good with creating these fake.

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: Little places.

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01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: Right, Like you said, unpolished content from such a prominent

1308
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: person in hip hop is a mistake.

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01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: There's nowhere around that, bro.

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01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: When you have a When you have a it's no

1311
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: reason why that man shouldn't have a set up like

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01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: some big boy. If he gonna live stream like Alex

1313
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: Jones type shit, like some big.

1314
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: Boy set up like where it look good.

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01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: He got he in like a little room with a

1316
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: little box on the It's like, what the fuck is this?

1317
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: But it works because of the content because it looks

1318
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: please into me.

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: But that's the thing I think for academics, literally, I

1320
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 3: think I don't know for sure, but I think academics

1321
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: probably sits there and it's like, you know, what should

1322
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: I do? A I could spend ten days improving my

1323
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 3: studio and make it I can miss ten level setup,

1324
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 3: or or I could just sit here and just post

1325
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 3: what's going on right now, like what's the new young

1326
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 3: boy lyric? I'm a hop on stream and talk for

1327
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: an hour about And.

1328
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: I think that's because that's how it does. Else to do,

1329
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: I think he's actually with that money. He's on the door,

1330
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: nothing to do, don't got a life. Fuck it, I'm

1331
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: live again right seven eight hours.

1332
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 2: But he likes it.

1333
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 3: He loves being live, So for him, this is the

1334
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: perfect situation. And bear in mind, for me, right, my

1335
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 3: content's very different from academics. I like to take my time.

1336
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: I like to go offline for a month and listen

1337
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 3: to all the young boy music, like if you know

1338
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 3: me right my life right now, I'm doing this young

1339
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: boy story. Anytime I hop in the car, it's a

1340
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 3: new young boy album. Anytime I go somewhere headphones in,

1341
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm listening to some a young boy interview. I'm at

1342
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 3: my computer where I'm sat now, I'm looking into you know,

1343
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 3: young boy interview, young boy details. I'm reading an interview

1344
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: on Billboard with young boys, so it's like, you know,

1345
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: you might not hear from me on my channel for

1346
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: two three months, but then at the end of it,

1347
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 3: I'll create something that's really polished, really nice, and I

1348
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: hope that people still remember me and come back to watch.

1349
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: It's the opposite of Academics, where he's jumping online every day.

1350
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 3: Look at me, look at what the info that? Do

1351
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 3: you ask my approach works for me?

1352
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: Do you think he's I think he's getting very little

1353
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: out of his brain when he can get much more.

1354
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: I think if Academics done it right and really cared

1355
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: about the content, he just cares about being first, cares

1356
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: about talking about it first, cares about, you know, delivering.

1357
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: It out to the world.

1358
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Speaker 1: And I spoke about dead And it's like he doesn't

1359
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: to me because when you look at his podcast, I

1360
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: damn Nick.

1361
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 2: And fall asleep. I'm telling aout.

1362
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Speaker 3: I like, but here's the thing, let me, here's the thing, right.

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Speaker 3: I think that that approach works for him, and I

1364
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: think that approach is what he likes. I think he

1365
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: likes being on stream. He likes chopping on stream, you know,

1366
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 3: cracking open the bottle of Henny and going crazy and

1367
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 3: just going hard. Whereas for me, I like to take

1368
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 3: my time. I like to look into things, think about

1369
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 3: things differently, try and find new angles on different stories.

1370
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 3: And you know, it's it's just a difference in approach.

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01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: But here's the thing I think that is important. I

1372
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 3: think because ac did his approach first, he is the

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01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 3: number one at his style of content, I think, and

1374
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 3: he said this before. I think when people come along

1375
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 3: and they try and copy his style, it doesn't work

1376
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 3: because there can only be one person at the top,

1377
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 3: being first with all of the information. And I don't

1378
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 3: think anyone can fuck with academics in his style of content.

1379
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 3: But like I don't think as time goes on, I'm

1380
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: hoping people can't fuck with me and my style of content.

1381
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 3: Ain't no one doing a three hour video about nobody, right,

1382
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 3: So it's like we're all trying to think find the

1383
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: thing about us that makes us special. And obviously, you

1384
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 3: know there's there's elements of your personality and your podcast

1385
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,439
Speaker 3: that make you one of a kind that other people

1386
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: aren't gonna be able imitate that too, right, So I

1387
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 3: think everyone's got their things. I think a lot of

1388
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 3: the things that make academics great, I don't find.

1389
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 2: Them to be I found have some good talking points

1390
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 2: here and there.

1391
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 1: But I just I found him just not to be

1392
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: interesting enough for me, Like I just write, talk to

1393
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 1: me about some Let me what you're saying over there,

1394
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: like what's going on?

1395
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: Like brain it out, let me hear some.

1396
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: I just sometimes it's like it's just blah blah blah

1397
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: blah blah.

1398
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1399
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: And sometimes I give him credit because he talks so much.

1400
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: So again it's easy to far victim to I'm just

1401
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: rambling here and there now because I talk so much that.

1402
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 3: But that's the thing. I think it depends right, because

1403
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 3: it's not for everyone. And I like Academics' content because

1404
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 3: for me, it's like, for example, at the moment, I'm

1405
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: doing this Young Boy story, and Academics has got Hella

1406
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,959
Speaker 3: stream clips where he's got going off for an hour

1407
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 3: ranting about Young Boy, and it's kind of like for me,

1408
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 3: it's almost like if if I don't want to hear

1409
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 3: another Young Boy album, I just want to hear, you know,

1410
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: Academics talk on all different angles about his beef with

1411
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: Young Boy, and maybe I'll find a few interesting things

1412
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 3: he says in that conversation that I'm like, oh damn,

1413
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 3: that made me think differently about Young Boy and Dirk's

1414
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 3: beef and maybe the motivations behind it. Like for me,

1415
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: that's very valuable to just tune into act ranting about

1416
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 3: young Boy for an hour and maybe I'll come away

1417
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 3: with two or three things. I'll be like, I didn't

1418
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: think of that. Maybe that's why Young Boys beef in him,

1419
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 3: maybe his promo, maybe that maybe Dirk finessed him, maybe

1420
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 3: he didn't. And it's kind of like you almost like

1421
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 3: let all that content wash over you in the form

1422
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 3: of like a one hour Hennessy fueled rant where dis

1423
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 3: is and he plays a song and he this is Rory.

1424
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: I mean, when the whole Joe Budden beef was going on. Look,

1425
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, A lot of people said I was

1426
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 3: biased and I was an academic stam but I watched

1427
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 3: so many streams where academics was jumping on live talking

1428
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 3: about as smoke Rory, and that shit was hilarious, Like

1429
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And that's why I felt

1430
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 3: like Rory and Marl were naive, because I don't think

1431
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: they thought I was like when they were dissing academics,

1432
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 3: I was like, I know academic conversations.

1433
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: Rory verse hours who you got because Rory, you know,

1434
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: he ain't just a slouch like far as information and people,

1435
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: I do.

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01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 3: Agree, I do agree. I think I would. I think

1437
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: me and Rory would probably have a really good debate

1438
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: because I think I think with academics, I think sometimes

1439
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: with academic especially if it's he's debating with someone he

1440
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: doesn't like, he's the kind of person that's just gonna

1441
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: yell and just say the same things over and over

1442
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: again and just beat you into submission. Whereas I think

1443
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: someone like Rory is probably going to be like, you know,

1444
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: giving more considered points, letting somebody else get their shit off,

1445
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 3: taking things into account, which is my thing. Like I

1446
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 3: felt like we've had a really good conversation because like

1447
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to also listen to your perspective and think,

1448
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,120
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm wrong on maybe I see a

1449
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: few things wrong, Like maybe I can improve the way

1450
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: I see things. Whereas I think ACT. I love ACT,

1451
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 3: but I think Act's not trying to hear what anyone

1452
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 3: else has to say.

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Speaker 2: A