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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and today I've got my good buddy

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Speaker 1: Bradley Dammerman here with me again. Welcome.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Dirk? Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Doing good, doing good. You guys probably remember Bradley from

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Speaker 1: previous shows. He's been on here a few times. He's

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Speaker 1: the owner operator at Idaho Whitetail Guides and not to

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Speaker 1: be confused with that's all he does is guide white tails.

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Speaker 1: It's uh, that's one of the many things you got

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Speaker 1: to rebrand that.

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Speaker 2: I know it I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's hilarious. You know, we haven't got together since

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Speaker 1: this spring when I was up there, Uh, me and

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Speaker 1: Jason stay at your place with the guys from NWTF

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Speaker 1: and for Turkey season. And at that time you were

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Speaker 1: being a carpenter building a working on your rental house

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Speaker 1: you've been building on and I'm just wondering, did you

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Speaker 1: get that thing done yet?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I'm not done yet, but I'm seeing some light. I

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Speaker 3: I h can.

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Speaker 2: You hear me? All right? You're kind of cut? Okay,

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Speaker 2: sorry about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm seeing some light. I just painted it,

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Speaker 3: primed and painted it. The interior. So just got the

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Speaker 3: cabinets ordered and they should be going in in a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks, and like I should be pretty wrapped

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Speaker 3: up in a month. I bet I could have somebody

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Speaker 3: in it. So I'm pretty excited about that. It's been

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Speaker 3: a long journey on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably about a year maybe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably been over It's probably been two years

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Speaker 3: by the time I looked at the property, bought it

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Speaker 3: and decided what I was going to do on it,

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Speaker 3: and and getting it done. It's probably been to maybe

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Speaker 3: even pushing like two and a half years.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, so that's a long process.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. Hopefully it'll pay off someday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know, it is pretty hard to get

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Speaker 1: a house built though, when you're you're guiding all the time,

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Speaker 1: you know, elk hunting, deer hunting, bear hunting, lots of

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Speaker 1: bear hunting. How did how'd spring go for you guys?

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Speaker 3: Spring's been great. You know, I had my last hunter

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Speaker 3: was a little slow, but we treat some bear anyways.

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Speaker 3: But uh, it's been going really good. The weather's been good.

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Speaker 3: We only had a really a week that it was

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Speaker 3: real hot that where it was kind of tough on

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Speaker 3: the dogs where I had to get up literally I

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Speaker 3: still get up early, but you know where I had

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Speaker 3: to beat the heat. So it's been a real good

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Speaker 3: smooth bear season. I've been treeing quite a few bears.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, it's it's uh, it's been a it's

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Speaker 3: been kind of a slow I mean maybe a little

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Speaker 3: slower on the on the end of like finding bears

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Speaker 3: than normal. I really I usually find one every day,

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Speaker 3: but I'm I'm hunting for them hard.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of hours where.

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, not you know, I'm just driving around

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Speaker 3: and walking old grassy roads or whatever I have to

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Speaker 3: do to find one. So they're a little tougher to find.

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Speaker 3: But I'm fighting fying one usually every day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, I had a guy on the podcast who had

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Speaker 1: dogs that would trail blood and he was saying that

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Speaker 1: if you get a little bit of rain on on

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Speaker 1: the blood trail, He's like, it actually helps out their

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Speaker 1: their blood track. And do you find that like when

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Speaker 1: you got a little bit of moist weather, not a

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Speaker 1: you know, a down downport to wash all this in away,

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Speaker 1: But do you guys do do pretty good when it

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Speaker 1: when you get some rain, And does that make things

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Speaker 1: easier to track for the dogs for bears.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually does.

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Speaker 3: I like a little moisture for sure, and I mean

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Speaker 3: you can hear it in the dogs too, you know,

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Speaker 3: like when it's real dry out, you know, you don't

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't hear the barkin.

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Speaker 2: Lot tougher on the dogs to really run run a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense that that moisture just probably

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Speaker 2: Away. Yep, it does. It really helps.

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Speaker 3: I like to I definitely like it when it's when

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Speaker 3: it's a little damp out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like walking through it so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard on the old old pant legs and

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Speaker 1: well North Idaho, I mean, uh, you get wet everywhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, Actually, yesterday morning was a perfect

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Speaker 3: I loaded the dogs up actually and started leaving and

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Speaker 2: So I was just hunting here from the house.

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Speaker 3: So I pulled back in the garage and let it

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Speaker 3: was like, this is gonna be a perfect morning. You know,

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Speaker 3: you know, they'll really And when I did find one,

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Speaker 3: found one, man, you could hear it and hear it.

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Speaker 3: They could just run that track hard with that moisture.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Now, how's your how's your pack of dogs doing?

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Speaker 1: You've had a few setbacks lately since last time I

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Speaker 1: think we talked on here. You've had a you've lost

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Speaker 1: a co and your old girl Mallory, she's has she

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Speaker 2: She's actually hunting a little bit right now.

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Speaker 3: So so to answer your first question, my pack is

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Speaker 3: it's doing okay.

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Speaker 2: But yeah I lost.

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Speaker 3: If I lose Mallory, which I'll talk more about in

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Speaker 3: a minute, that's three dogs, really good dogs in under

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Speaker 2: That's really tough on a hound guy, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 3: They were you know, some of my better you know,

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Speaker 3: They're ones that really strike well, and they're you know,

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Speaker 2: They're just really nice dogs. So it was a really

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of how it sucks when you get there.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you could you could be a good

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Speaker 3: getting a bind. I mean, you even though you're hunting

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Speaker 3: been okay. I'd probably be a little weak on like

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Speaker 3: still have Mallory. And then back to Mallory. She's so

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Speaker 3: she was breathing real heavy. I noticed earlier this spring

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've hunted with that dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, well, she's you know, she's ten years

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Speaker 3: old now or whatever. She's ten eleven years old, ten

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Speaker 2: You know, it didn't drink a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: But then, you know, after a couple of weeks, I

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Speaker 3: I was like, I told my wife, I said, I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean, I love that dog as much as you

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Speaker 2: And then they gave her a steroid.

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Speaker 3: As well, And I started giving her that steroid and antibiotic,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, like within like two or three days,

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Speaker 3: it's like she's up, just jumping around ready to hunt.

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Speaker 3: So wow, I've been hunting her. I just got done

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Speaker 3: to take her back into a different VET and run

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Speaker 3: some more tests on her. But I think with that steroid,

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Speaker 3: But she's she's old, and she's been a heck of

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Speaker 3: miss her when she's gone. But hopefully, I hopefully it

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Speaker 3: was just an infection and I can get two more

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Speaker 2: But but we'll see. Yeah, see on that and then.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, it's pretty good. I've been.

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Speaker 3: Training a couple of young dogs and it's a perfect example.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like all of especially whenever it's like when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll probably like that shade tree at seventy two. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, hey, you put a dog box in the

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Speaker 3: So I got a new pickup and it's actually a

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Speaker 2: He builds, you know, I've been following him for two

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Speaker 3: And anyways, I always told myself, if I get another pickup,

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Speaker 3: I won't use it a lot, but I'll use it

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: But now with gates and everything you got to have.

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Speaker 2: But I use a ATV, you know, a four wheler.

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Speaker 3: You've seen my setup, and basically all is my pickup

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Speaker 3: So I bought one because my other one's got They've

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Speaker 3: pretty bad. It's I don't know how many years I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people look at you like weird, Like man, look

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Speaker 3: But the most good hound guys that I've ever bumped

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Speaker 2: And those are usually the guys that are catching stuff.

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Speaker 2: Not so much know from what I've noticed throughout the years.

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Speaker 2: I know it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a couple of trucks out here I'm

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Speaker 1: Unless you find another hound hunter, it might be hard

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Speaker 2: They're pretty well wore out when I'm done with them. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So you guys got a really big bear

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Speaker 3: We just the taxidermists and Cortlane And sorry, I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: because my hunter dropped it off there. Yeah, but he

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Speaker 3: he said, I've been doing this for I don't know,

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Speaker 1: It's a giant. Did you guys weigh that thing at all?

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Speaker 3: And the reason I estimated at four hundred pounds is

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Speaker 3: we just don't get a lot of big ones like that,

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Speaker 2: Shoot, I killed a six hundred pounder last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, but it was the skull bigger,

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Speaker 2: And I've seen a lot of bear. You just don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're pretty uncommon in that country. I don't know

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Speaker 2: They're in a little more shape, a little better shape.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're not just setting in a flat cornfield, right,

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Speaker 1: They get a lot of exercise.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fact.

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Speaker 1: That's a fact that it just still blows me away

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Speaker 1: went with you how far a bear will run. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they'll probably run over there. Man, they will run over

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Speaker 3: Oh they're crazy around here. I mean I got on

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Speaker 2: How the heck is that thing still running?

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Speaker 3: I mean they got dogs that are in shape behind them,

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Speaker 2: You know, your dog's better be.

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Speaker 3: In shape on some of these bear You're not going

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Speaker 3: to look at them. Oh yeah, they're going to get away,

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Speaker 1: Do you know how what that bear's hide measured? Would

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Speaker 1: you know all that?

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Speaker 2: Shoot? I don't. I should have measured it.

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Speaker 1: How do you measure a bear bear hide?

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Speaker 3: bears to know that it was a real special bear.

441
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 3: And the guy that the client that got it with me,

442
00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 3: it was the first time, he first morning, first time.

443
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 3: I think he was probably in his mid sixties somewhere

444
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 3: in there, just guessing on that, but he said it

445
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 3: was his first day of bear hunting, he'd never been

446
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,199
Speaker 3: bear hunting before in his life's first day and killed nothing.

447
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 2: Wow, He's like, this is easy, nothing to it. Yeah.

448
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: I wish those big bears were like that under every

449
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 1: tree around there, but just as I know they are.

450
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 2: No, we did kill a few other nice ones too,

451
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: you know.

452
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I remember seeing for sure.

453
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 3: But that was that was one that that I won't

454
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 3: ever forget. You just I mean, it might be a

455
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: long time before I see another one like that around here.

456
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're do you do those bears, Let's say,

457
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: do they move in from other areas, like they find

458
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 1: new territory or something, or has that bear been living

459
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 1: there the whole time, or do they move in from

460
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,400
Speaker 1: like somewhere else, like man, I'm gonna try living over here.

461
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 2: For a while.

462
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, I would say they I would

463
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: say he moved into the area because I hunt this

464
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: where I hunt.

465
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: I hunted a lot, you know.

466
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 3: And I'm I've killed big bears like him or close

467
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 3: to him before in the past that I I treed,

468
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 3: you know, in the training season, or treed by myself,

469
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 3: and I just didn't feel like shooting it right because

470
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 3: you know, I save it for a client or just

471
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 3: not kill it.

472
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 2: You know.

473
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 3: I'm not a big killer. I've killed enough of him,

474
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to me.

475
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 2: But I.

476
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 3: Usually treat them big bear if they're around, all kind

477
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 3: of remember them, like, oh, I treated you last year,

478
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: I think, you know. Yeah, this particular bear is like

479
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: I said to myself, where in the world did you

480
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: come from?

481
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 2: You know, So I'd say he traveled in.

482
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,400
Speaker 3: But I know, obviously, like right now, the I can

483
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 3: tell out there hunting right now, the boars are are moving.

484
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,239
Speaker 3: I got, I treat a pretty nice boar yesterday, and

485
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,719
Speaker 3: they're breeding right now, and so I've been getting some

486
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: split races where the dogs split because there's two bears there,

487
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, And I know they'll really move around,

488
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 3: and you'll sometimes this time of year you'll catch a

489
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: big old boar that you've never seen or didn't know

490
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 3: he was around because he'd wander in looking for females

491
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: and stuff.

492
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but you.

493
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: Know, I mean, I think they live in that they'll

494
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: come in from wherever. I think, but I think, like

495
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 3: a lot of the sows, I remember treating a big

496
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 3: sal a big bear too. She was a sal chocolate

497
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: bear and I treat her for like three or four

498
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: years in a row. The first time I treat her,

499
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: I thought it was a big old boar. And then

500
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 3: the next year I treat her, she had two cubs

501
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: with her. Oh geez, she was so big, you know,

502
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, that's the South. And anyways,

503
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: I treat her, like I said, three or four years

504
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: in a row, and she probably not three miles apart

505
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 3: from where I treat her each year. She just kind

506
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: of lived. I don't ever know what happened if somebody

507
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 3: killed her or what. But they So, I know, the

508
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: soals and stuff will stick around, but I feel like

509
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: the boors kind of will move, you know, yeah, move around.

510
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: Prowl around looking for girlfriends.

511
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: Yep.

512
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: So you guys started a new organization, how hunt an organization?

513
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: What's it called again, North Idaho Hound Association.

514
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well what what's that all about?

515
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 3: Well, basically, it's it's just a it's just an association.

516
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 3: To protect and preserve the hound community.

517
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Is our goal.

518
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: So but how it come about was the Eastern Hound

519
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: Association reached out and kind of got a group of

520
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: us together and thought that, you know, we're at a

521
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: point in time that we needed a Northern Idaho chapter

522
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, you know, organization up here.

523
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 3: And at first, you know, I was kind of like, wow, shoot,

524
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: I have so many things going on right.

525
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: Now, you know.

526
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, but my heart, I mean, you know me enough,

527
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 3: my heart's in the hound world.

528
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: I love it.

529
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 3: And and for me personally, I really feel that the

530
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 3: hound guys have got kind of a black eye.

531
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I know they do. You know, I've heard

532
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: that from the Game department even.

533
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd really like to change that somehow or

534
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 3: at least try too, you know, just you know, just

535
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: to educate the public that you know, it's it's not

536
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: just going out there with hounds and killing stuff. I mean,

537
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: you got you're still hunting hard. It's something we love.

538
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 3: It's just it's something that that my kids love, you know,

539
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: and something that we do as a family. And it's

540
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: just like any good elk hunter, you know, we look

541
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 3: forward to it, you know, we look forward to the season,

542
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 3: and sometimes we clash with other hunters, and I don't know,

543
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: I think for me, I just kind of want to educate.

544
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: So we'll do some field trials and stuff out here

545
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: and then kind of have a have a voice, you know,

546
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 3: when you have an association like that, you have a voice.

547
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: So like recently, just for an example, recently they changed

548
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 3: this unit over here that by me that I know

549
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: you've hunted some they changed it to a two lion area.

550
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, which you know. The hard part.

551
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: About like that is I know that it don't it

552
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: don't need a too lion area personally, like in my opinion,

553
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 3: I mean I've hunted the area.

554
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: I know it. There's just not that many lions in there.

555
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: But on the other end, then you got the deer

556
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 3: and elk hunters that are like sweet, you know, that's

557
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: a good thing, you know, kill them all, you know.

558
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: And I just I just you've been around this country

559
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: where I live a lot. You remember, say in the

560
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: late nineties when there was early two thousands, when there

561
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: was and there's and I think our elk and deer

562
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: population is.

563
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: Doing good, so I'm not bashing that.

564
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: But back then there was tons of elk, tons of

565
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: white tail, but there was also tons of bear and

566
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 3: tons of lions.

567
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, there were.

568
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, So just in my opinion, you know, and I

569
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: mean you might have a different outlook on it, and

570
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 3: that's fine, but I think in my opinion that I

571
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: just think that those are kind of the issues that

572
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: this organization, this Sound Association could maybe tackle someday. If

573
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 3: we get big enough and strong enough, we might have

574
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: a little more of a voice like, hey, we don't

575
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: think it's a good idea to have a two lion

576
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: area there. We don't think we should have that season extended,

577
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: you know. So that's really what it's all about. And also,

578
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 3: you know, like with the field trials will be fun

579
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: you know, to get kids involved and kind of educate

580
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: them about hounds and the right way, the ethical way

581
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: of doing it, and just you know, just kind of

582
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: that's so if that if I explained it good enough,

583
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, but that's kind of where my heart

584
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: is and kind of what we're focused on.

585
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: No, that's that's awesome. First off, if you want, if

586
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: sportsmen want to be heard by the their fishing game,

587
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: at least here in the Idaho Department fishing game as

588
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: an individual or an unorganized group of people, just people

589
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, shouting from the streets or shouting from Facebook,

590
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, and if you're unhappy with the way some

591
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: management practice is, they're not going to listen to you

592
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: until you get organized and get start an organization, get organized,

593
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: get members and do your research and put together a

594
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: professional proposal and talk with them and then you know, work,

595
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: try to work together to find a solution. And a

596
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 1: lot of folks just don't know that, which is so

597
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: that's that's good. That's the great thing in the step

598
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: in the right direction. As far as getting on any

599
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: kind of rules changed or you know, any seasons changed

600
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: or any you know, like to have that voice actually

601
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: heard is good. That's great, that's a great first step.

602
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: But also back to your point of like hound hunting

603
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: gets kind of a black eye, you know, it really does.

604
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: You get a couple of bad actors and all the

605
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: good guys get lumped in with the jerks. Right, And

606
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I've met some real guys, some guys that were hound hunters,

607
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: that were real doozies, I mean, but as a human

608
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: beings they were probably not that great either. So it

609
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: unfortunately hound hunting took the brunt of their personality problems. Right.

610
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: You know, that guy was a car salesman. You probably

611
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: couldn't stand him. If he was he was probably unethical,

612
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: did bad stuff, just like you know in the hound world.

613
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, it just kind of goes right down there.

614
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: But you got guys like you and countless other people

615
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: doing it right all the time. They don't get they

616
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: don't get that attention. And I think back to the

617
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: point of, like what I heard you say in that

618
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: whole bit about you know you want to you know,

619
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: you want hound hunters to have good optics, You want

620
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: everybody to have good thoughts about hound hunt and the

621
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: people who do it. Then you also look at what

622
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: you said about Hey, we don't need to kill two

623
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: cats per person in this unit. Like that right there

624
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: in itself, like that right there says we're here trying to,

625
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, protect a resource we want. We want these

626
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: cats here tomorrow, not just today. Like, yeah, you bet.

627
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: It's fun to go cat hut and be able to

628
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: shoot cats, right, but when you shoot up your resource,

629
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: you kill too many, you kill too deeply, and then

630
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: you lose it, You lose that resource. Then they have

631
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: to go the other way on seasons and bag limits

632
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: to where once you kill it that deeper, they're like, oh, well,

633
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: now we're gonna have to go to a draw tag.

634
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Oh you want to hound up for a cat? Oh

635
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to draw a tag now, I mean,

636
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: and nobody wants to do that, you know, no, But

637
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: back to your point too, Like in the nineties in

638
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: early two thousands, we had great deer, we had great

639
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: elk and guess what else, Yeah, bears. We had a

640
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: lot of bears. We had a lot of cats. We

641
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: had a lot of both. And it kind of just

642
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: seems like that kind of kind of ebbs and flows

643
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: with with the ungulate populations, with the with the with

644
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: the predators, so right now, you know, with a with

645
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of elk and deer on

646
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: the landscape in certain areas there, then yeah, there's probably

647
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: plentiful predators. But I mean, are they are the cats

648
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: devastating the deer?

649
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: No?

650
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't, in my opinion, I don't think so. I

651
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: mean they're killing them, they're catching them. But I mean

652
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: it's not no worse than ever it was, you know,

653
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: any time before. Nothing's really changed in that regard. You know, wolves,

654
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: Now that does change things a little bit. Yeah, you

655
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: know the fishing game, you know, I know they put

656
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: out a research paper here a few years ago that

657
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: said it wasn't the wolves that have been killing all

658
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: the elk, it was actually mountain lions. But what they

659
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: failed tell you is every time a mountain lion kills

660
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: an elk or a deer, wolves come and chase it

661
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: off and they eat the elk, and they're like the

662
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: cat's like, well I got to eat, so they go

663
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: kill another one.

664
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Yep.

665
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: So I feel like they let And I hate to

666
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: throw rocks. I'm not a I hate to throw publicly

667
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: throw rocks. But sometimes these game organizations they will tell

668
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: you a story. But it's not all of the story

669
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: once you start asking questions and dig in and dig

670
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: deeper and start asking, well, what about this? What about that? Oh,

671
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: we kind of left that part out, So yes, take

672
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: it for face value for you know, but don't don't

673
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: completely drink the kool aid on some of these reports

674
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: they give.

675
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's for sure, that's funny you brought that up

676
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: because it's been shoot, it's probably been three years ago

677
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 3: or maybe four, you know how time flies. But I

678
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: was I just set through the trapping class with Cooper,

679
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: my boy, and I about fell over in my seat

680
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: because they were telling the kids that that actually the

681
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 3: lions are killing more elk and deer than the wolves are.

682
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: That was part of their trapping class, and I was

683
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 3: just like, I raised my hand and was like, do

684
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: you mind telling me who did that?

685
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: Study?

686
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not They didn't quite have answer. Yeah, study,

687
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: but you know, I I know it.

688
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: I don't want to throw rocks either, because we all

689
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: got to work together and it's a sore subject. But yeah,

690
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: I just know what it used to be like before wolves,

691
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: and I know that there was plenty of bear for

692
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: us hound hunters and baiers or whatever. And there was

693
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: plenty of elk and deer, so I know that per

694
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: a fact. And yes they need manage though, and I

695
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: think we do a pretty good job of managing them.

696
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: There's there's a few things that i'd like to see

697
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: different and this can get on a rabbit trail here,

698
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: but so one of the things I'd like to do

699
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: with this hound club as far as you know, getting

700
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: our voices heard. And I think a lot of hound

701
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: guys would go along with this, and I think the

702
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: elk hunters would love it is and I might have

703
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 3: brought this up to you before, but so we're we're hunting,

704
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: you know, clear till the end of July with our hounds, right. Anyways,

705
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: it's pursuit, you know, July is a training season and stuff.

706
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: In most units there's one or two units.

707
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: That are open for kill, but their hides ain't no

708
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: good that time of year, so you don't really need

709
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: to be killing them. But anyways, I would like to

710
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 3: see and this is my personal opinion, and it's something

711
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: I've thought about a lot because as an elk hunter,

712
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: as you know, I loved archery elk hunt too, so

713
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: I might be kind of biased on this, but Throughout

714
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: the years, I've had some interesting notes and I wish

715
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 3: I would have saved.

716
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: Them on my pickup.

717
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: Like I walked to a bear tree, you know, and

718
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: I had an elk hunter walk by my truck and

719
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 3: leave me a nice little friendly note.

720
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: You know.

721
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: Imagine how about they just were about to kill a

722
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 4: big six point my dogs come running through. Oh yeah,

723
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: so not very happy, and like that's the last thing

724
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 4: as a houndsman, as a good houndsman, I want to

725
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 4: do is tick off some archery hunter down there with

726
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 4: his boy or his cousin or his buddy, you know,

727
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: elk hunt.

728
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to screw their hunt up, obviously. Yeah.

729
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: So a way to fix that would be have our

730
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: fall season in August, right, hound season, I mean, and

731
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: then you don't have that conflict, because I mean conflict.

732
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's just turning two hunting groups against

733
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: each other right there. So that'd be something I got,

734
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: you know, in the back of my head that maybe

735
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: someday we could maybe try to push for that'd make

736
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: the elk hunters happy, and it would make the hound

737
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: guys happy. I think, you know, I'd have to talk

738
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: to more hound guys and see what they think.

739
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: But you know, you just.

740
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: Lay your dogs off for a month and in a month,

741
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: you know, just like a human, you're out of shape.

742
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: So you got them.

743
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: You got the dogs in shape in July anyway, So

744
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: let's just roll it, roll the fall season over into August.

745
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: It makes sense to me. But yeah, well one thing.

746
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: Well, you look at Washington State, they've got they don't

747
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: of course they don't have bear hunting but or for dogs,

748
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: but they have like August bear hunting, like they're their

749
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: fall bear starts and sometimes and I'm not sure on

750
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: the exactly on the dates, but it starts in August.

751
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, how come we don't get to go

752
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: hunting bears in August? You know, I'd love to be

753
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: able to go out, you know, maybe for a week

754
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: or two in August to go hunt bears because September comes.

755
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm chasing bugles, all right. I don't care

756
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: how pretty the bear is. Cool, let's get that out.

757
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: But that'd be neat. But yeah, I think, you know, yeah,

758
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: and I think conflict management it is important to the

759
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: fishing game, you know, I think that's that's very important

760
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: to them. So if you can get you know, organizations

761
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: like yours and some of the other chapters or whatever.

762
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 2: What have you.

763
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: If you guys can all get that same type of

764
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: messaging and say, hey, this is you know, this is

765
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: a good solution, you know, and maybe back it up

766
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: with some data or something, and then that would maybe

767
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: that would help your your ideas, you know.

768
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. And then I would add I think.

769
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 3: Just from my so I can only speak for three

770
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: or four units over here where I'm at, you know,

771
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: in the northern part. I so they did the bear

772
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: study and stuff, which you know, always concerns me. I'm

773
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: scared of change, you know, because a lot of times

774
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: you lose stuff you don't get it back at.

775
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 2: Sure, but.

776
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 3: I'm saying this, I'm still catching plenty of bears that

777
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. I don't want to scare any

778
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: potential clients away. I don't run a lot of clients.

779
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: But I can see a big difference in our bear population,

780
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: which is really funny because the fishing game. Again, I'm

781
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 3: not throwing stones, are you know, saying, well, the check

782
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 3: ins down just a little bit, so therefore we feel

783
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: like the bear population is pretty strong still. I know,

784
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: as a bear hunter, literally a bear hunting for years

785
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: here that there ain't the bear. I mean some of

786
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: that has to do with the logged areas. You know,

787
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: it's a lot more logged off. Again, I'm not picking

788
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: on loggers. I was a logger for years, but you know,

789
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: but I think the biggest threat right now for like

790
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: our bear and lion. You know, I'm talking predator hunter

791
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: guys like me that just love to hound hunt, predator hunt,

792
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: bear and stuff is the amount of.

793
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: People that have moved here.

794
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: So they have the same check in stats, but there's

795
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: twice as many people, right. So to me, the bear

796
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: population's down right there with their with their numbers, you know.

797
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Right right, But the amount of people going to the

798
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 1: field every year versus what's getting harvested versus what it

799
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: was before. Yeah, yeah, you have less left back. And

800
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, however, long ago there are less people enjoying

801
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the resource. Now there's twice as many and less you know,

802
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: percentage of success.

803
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: I guess you could say, right, But again there's a

804
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: part of me, and again I'm not throwing stones, but

805
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: I think the Game Department wants the bear population low

806
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: and the lion low in a way.

807
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: Oh you know, you know, they're going.

808
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 3: To cater to the elk and deer hunters, which is

809
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: you know, again, I'm an elkin deer hunter, so I

810
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 3: love that part of it. But you know, in a way,

811
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 3: they're they're happy with them down so and that's hown,

812
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 3: guys are we're such a small little group, you know.

813
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: So it's just it's.

814
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 3: It's it gets confusing and path but I would like

815
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: to see some I would like to see some changes,

816
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: maybe as scared as I am a changes, I would

817
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 3: like to see a few ure in the future. So

818
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 3: that's another reason, you know, I was happy to join

819
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: this association.

820
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it sounds like your heart. Your heart's in

821
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: the right place, you know, you're you're looking out for

822
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 1: the animals. And you know, sometimes we have we've put

823
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: our selfish you know, desires to sidenlay like well, you know, yeah,

824
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: it'd be great if we could do this, but sometimes

825
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: it don't always. You know, we should always get what

826
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: we want all the time, like as far as like

827
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: just be able to hunt and kill everything, you know,

828
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: we want to kill. Sometimes sometimes we've got to conserve too,

829
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: But I get that.

830
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

831
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: Now, you guys went to to Boise recently, I think

832
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: to do some is that did they have to do

833
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: with your group here or is that more out on

834
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: the outfitter side.

835
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: That was more on the outfitters, uh side of things.

836
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: They're they're they're going to a draw, as I think

837
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: everybody knows for non residents, dear Elk.

838
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's really scary too. I think think there's

839
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to be closer.

840
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: I think there's like one hundred and twenty outfitters in

841
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: Idaho and this could potentially put us all out of business.

842
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

843
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: So what we went to Boise's four is we had

844
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: a committee down there, a tag committee, and the Fishing

845
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 3: Game was there, and the Outfitters Association obviously, and there

846
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: was just.

847
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: A group of hand picked people.

848
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 3: And it was actually my wife on there because she

849
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 3: can keep her cool better than.

850
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: I said it and just listened.

851
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: But she actually, you know, Amy's a big part of

852
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: the Idaho White Toe guides. I mean she's she's the one,

853
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: you know, penciling things out and knows how the tag

854
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: allocations work to a t because she works a fishing

855
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: game and does all that stuff. But so that's all

856
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: that was about. So basically we're gonna we're they came up.

857
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: We sat there for two days and came up with

858
00:41:55,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: a bill basically to put into law. So there in

859
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: the middle of drafting it up what we all sat

860
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: down and talked about and came up with to kind

861
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: of protect because.

862
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: It's it's it gets confusing.

863
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: That allocation is really confusing, even for me that's been

864
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: in for it a long time. It's it's really, it's

865
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: really confusion because it because what might work here for

866
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: me on and over the counter tag could put out

867
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 3: put a put a controlled hunt outfitter out of business

868
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: if we don't write it right, you know. So I

869
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: won't go into super details about the tag allocations, but basically,

870
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: again we don't want to be greedy. And this is

871
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: another source. You know, you like people get mad like, oh,

872
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: all the outfitters are always taking up all the.

873
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: Tags and blah blah blah.

874
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: You know, you hear that a lot from the the

875
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: do it yourself or boot hunters or whatever, which you

876
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 3: know they have a right to to. But really, if

877
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 3: you look at it and look at the tags that

878
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: are given, and I have the numbers that we're only

879
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: using three percent of the tags. Oh, yeah, on those

880
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty outfitters. You know, that's not a

881
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 3: lot of tags, and that basically keeps us in business.

882
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: So basically what we want is, say I get twenty

883
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: elk tags allocated to me. I want to make sure

884
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 3: that I have those twenty allocations and I don't have

885
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: to put my hunters in.

886
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: For a draw, right, So like I just have those tags.

887
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: And so that's what we're trying to because could you imagine,

888
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 3: like so basically I bet sixty five percent of the

889
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: elk hunters I take a repeat guys, right, you know

890
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 3: that I put my heart and soul in and hunted

891
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: them hard and killed elk with them and and just

892
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: just really just made them feel at home here, you know,

893
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: and and treated them good and they've treated me good.

894
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna be able to take those guys

895
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: anymore unless they draw the tag. And a lot of

896
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: them were groups of guys. Sure, so you know one

897
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: of those guys might you know, they can put in

898
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: a group. But if you know one of them just

899
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 3: draws a tag, well, then I used to have four

900
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: or five guys come to Campbell.

901
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: Now I only have one. It's gonna get really confusing,

902
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: and then.

903
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: Like when the tag sells, when they go on sell

904
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: and everything's gonna get hard. So basically I would have

905
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: to go to shows on the you know, to fill

906
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 3: up the rest of my years.

907
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 2: Like I said, a lot of them are repeats.

908
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: But like if this is all a draw now, I'm

909
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: looking at like going to a show and saying, Okay,

910
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: do you want to hunt with me?

911
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: Y'a, I'll hunt with you. Okay.

912
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: Well, I got to put you in for this drawing,

913
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: and let's hope to God you draw it right, and

914
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: then once you draw it, I hope you pay me.

915
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I changed my mind. I don't right that I

916
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: want to get.

917
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 3: Just around the corner and it's gonna just be basically,

918
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: to sum it up, it's going to be impossible. It'll

919
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: put us out of business. So we've been really watching

920
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 3: that close and we've been to Boise two or three

921
00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 3: times on it already, and uh, it's it's it's because

922
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I've dedicated a lot of years

923
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 3: and and a lot of my time and this is

924
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: what I do.

925
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so we need allocations.

926
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: And really, if you think about it, outfitters, if you

927
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 3: took away outfitters out of the economy of Idaho.

928
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: It would be it would devastate the economy.

929
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: I mean, like just I'm just a small outfitter, and

930
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: I mean the amount of guys I hire, and and

931
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: you know the houses and cabins that I build out here,

932
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: and you know, the local stores, keeping all my junk running,

933
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: going to the Nappa.

934
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: Store, all these little places.

935
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: I rent an airbnb from my parents every year to

936
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: put elk hunters in.

937
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: It's just it would just be devastating. It would be

938
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: just be suicide. But the.

939
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: So basically that's our argue, our fight, you know, is

940
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: the economy. So that's kind of what we're throwing at

941
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: all the legislators and stuff.

942
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: Right Honestly, from my perspective, if you don't have those

943
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: tag allocations and it's just it's straight up a draw

944
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: for everybody, then you know, maybe maybe people are get

945
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: drawn tags that are just your DIY guys versus the

946
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: outfitted guys. And I don't really run into outfitters that

947
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: much when I'm hunting. I'm not running into guided hunters

948
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: when I'm hunting typically, So if I just immediately goes

949
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: into my brain like well, that may mean i'm running,

950
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: I may encounter more hunters just you're more DIY guys

951
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: in hunting spots, you know, then randomly then then somebody

952
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: that goes with an outfitter. I'm not saying that the

953
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: outfitters and DIY guys don't ever, you know, have crosspaths

954
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: or you know, hunt the same spots. But a lot

955
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: of times they don't. Sometimes they do, depending on the areas.

956
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: If I typically try to avoid those kind of areas myself, Like,

957
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: all right, they're outfitting up there, I'm gonna go over

958
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: this way because they're probably pounding that pretty good and

959
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: i don't want anything to do with that. I'm gonna

960
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: go somewhere where I'm by myself, but anyway I could. Yeah,

961
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: I can see that opening. Yeah no, that's other you know,

962
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: things cascading out of that, you know, you know.

963
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's a good point.

964
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: And thanks for bringing that up, because yeah, I mean, yeah,

965
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: I try to keep a pretty low profile. I don't

966
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 3: want to tick off other you know, do it yourselfers.

967
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the last thing I want to do

968
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: is tick anybody off. So we we and and really

969
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: an outfitter, an outfitter's got to stay in his area.

970
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: So like like, so I might have unit whatever over here,

971
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: but I can only hunt an eighth of it, you know,

972
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: like I have to stay in my guide.

973
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: Area where you as a resident.

974
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: Or even if you were just to do it yourself

975
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: boot hunter from out of state.

976
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: You could hunt the whole unit, right, you know.

977
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: So we're not taking neces taken up all this ground,

978
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: you know, we're kind of like you said, we're in

979
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: certain spots and you don't want to be there anyways,

980
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: because we've already got the dust kicked up there.

981
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, huh man. That's a lot. It's a lot

982
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: there to take in and try to find a resolution for.

983
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you guys are fighting for it and

984
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, and and working hard because you know, the

985
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: public we don't always see what goes on behind the scenes,

986
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: right We just we just see a new change to

987
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: seasons or new you know, changes to law or whatever.

988
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of times we don't get normal, average

989
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: everyday sportsmen don't get to see what behind the curtain

990
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: of all these other discussions and things that have been

991
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: going on. So I always recommend, you know, try to

992
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: like if you don't know and want to know more,

993
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: to get on the Idaho Fishing Games website or whatever

994
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: state you live in, get on their website and find

995
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: out where their commission meetings are, get involved, go to

996
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: the commission meeting. If you you go to the commission meeting,

997
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: you'll be little open your eyes of like, what what's

998
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: going on. There's a lot of you know, people trying

999
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: to do this, a lot of people trying to do that.

1000
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: The ones I've been to, man, anti hunter people show up,

1001
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: you know. And if it's the if it's the annual, big,

1002
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: big commission meeting where they let people get up and speak,

1003
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: you got like three minutes to air your grievances to

1004
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: the fishing game, and man, you got some crazy nutty

1005
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: wolf people getting up there just saying some crazy shit.

1006
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: Man.

1007
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: And and but other issues too, Other sportsmen have issues

1008
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: about legitimate stuff. But if you don't even know that

1009
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: stuff's going on or being talked about, it's kind of

1010
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: hard to get involved. So but yeah, look at your

1011
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: local your local states Fishing Game commission meetings, and and

1012
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: there's always meeting minutes. You say, let's say you can't

1013
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: make it to the meeting or sit in on a

1014
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: on their zoom call or whatever. They always have minutes

1015
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of times they're recorded to where you

1016
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: can read up or or listen to it on your

1017
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: leisure and you'll it'll open your eyes, like and I

1018
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: need to get more involved.

1019
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: Yes, that's definitely yes, people get involved. I mean, don't

1020
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 3: worry like I didn't know a thing when I started

1021
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: going to this stuff. You know, you just got to

1022
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: start somewhere, like you said, show up at one of

1023
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: those commissioner meetings and just start from there and you'll

1024
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 3: get a little more educated as you go. And it's

1025
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: just it's so important. I used to I used to

1026
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 3: be that guy that just I know, when my hunting

1027
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: season is, I just want to stay low and hunt.

1028
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's what it's all about. But really,

1029
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: I mean.

1030
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: Now I know that you you just because we we've

1031
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: been growing grew up doing it and and hunting all

1032
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: this ground and hunt like you can see what was

1033
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 3: just up for grabs there. Just recently it sounds like

1034
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: that's not going to go through. But you know, with

1035
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: the public lands up for sale, it's like it's so

1036
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 3: important that we're always tuned into what's going on. And

1037
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: because if we're not if we're just laying back all

1038
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 3: the time, not showing up, and that's when they'll swoop

1039
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: in and change something or take something away in a hurry.

1040
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: So definitely be involved.

1041
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that center Mike Lee is, you know, he's spearheading,

1042
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: spearheading that that stuff that goes on the big beautiful

1043
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: bill about having the ability to liquidate you know, public lands,

1044
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: and they and they'll say, oh, it's only this much,

1045
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: it's only like one point three percent, or it's on

1046
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: a point three or with some minor minute amount, but

1047
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: that small percentage of millions of acres is still out

1048
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: of land. And it sets precedents right once you let

1049
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: them get their foot in the door. Then they're like, hey,

1050
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: well hey we got to do this other thing. It's like, well,

1051
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: you let us do it before. It's just you can't

1052
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: give them an inch on that kind of thing. You know,

1053
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: this public land, you get it. Everybody has it seems

1054
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: like everybody has an agenda in that, in that political world.

1055
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: And and you know, it shouldn't really matter if whether

1056
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: you're left or right, or who you vote for, if

1057
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: you if you got dreadlocks or you got a mohawk.

1058
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: It didn't matter what. Well, you know, this is the

1059
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: public lands are for all of us. And yeah, but

1060
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: but sportsman, and you know, not only is the hunting community,

1061
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: but you know people on the other side. You know,

1062
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: I think we just made friends with all the all

1063
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: the granola eaters, right, that's lack of a better term.

1064
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, God bless them.

1065
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 3: Uh.

1066
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: It sounds like, you know, they're fighting for the same

1067
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: thing they've been calling to everybody's been calling their senators.

1068
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: And if you haven't, if you haven't, if you don't

1069
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: even know what I'm talking about, look this up and

1070
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: then call your state representative in every other state and

1071
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: tell them that you don't want to sell your public

1072
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: lands and you don't want the government to sell them off.

1073
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: But that's a whole that's an whole other rebit hole

1074
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: we won't dive into.

1075
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 3: We could talk forever on that, but yes, it's that's

1076
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: just I can't believe we're even talking about it. Honestly,

1077
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: I can't believe that it was even on the table.

1078
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just so you know, you never

1079
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: know what kind of agenda they're pushing.

1080
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 3: And and yeah, again, there's a lot of things i'd

1081
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: like to say, but that's a long story.

1082
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah right, you know. Yeah. Well, on another another topic,

1083
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: I've been editing our film. We Bradley and I and

1084
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: our good buddy Cody Wilson. We went elk hunting last

1085
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: fall together and we had all these high hopes and

1086
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: this is gonna be awesome, and man, we hunted our

1087
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: butts off. It was. It was, it was fun, We

1088
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: hunted hard. But I've been I've been trying to condense

1089
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: sixteen days at elk hunting into thirty minutes, and unfortunately, everybody,

1090
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to see the like the highlight reel

1091
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: of the of the hunt, I'm gonna cut that into

1092
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: the funnest, best, bestest parts of the hunt that we experienced,

1093
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: and even some of the fun stuff, like some of

1094
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: the sitting around campfire enjoying conversation and stuff. I I

1095
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: have to cut most of that out too, you know,

1096
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: just the little thing that we love and enjoy so much.

1097
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think anybody's going to sit

1098
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: through three hours of a film, no, But anyway, I'm

1099
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: working on that. I keep your eyes up. I'm not

1100
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: sure exactly when that's going to come out. Keep your

1101
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: eyes up open. But the film is going to be

1102
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: called uncallable, and I can I don't know if you

1103
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: or Cody might have came up with that name we

1104
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: should call it uncallable, or maybe the cameraman Dusty did.

1105
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, I'm.

1106
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: Like uncallable out of the perfect perfect title.

1107
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we all kind of said that

1108
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: word at the beginning to Hunt, like, oh, yeah, we

1109
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: hear these things are uncallable, and yeah, well we won't

1110
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: we won't spoil it. You probably listened to the podcast

1111
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: we Bradley and Cody and I did last September in

1112
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: the field. But yeah, we had we had a lot

1113
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: of fun. But anyway, watch out for that film coming.

1114
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: And then our buddy Tyrrell Tyrrell funk he drew a

1115
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: really good tag in Idaho and sounds like we're going

1116
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 1: to get to go get together again and then Hunt

1117
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: with Tyrell this fall. Yeah, I look forward to that.

1118
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: I do too.

1119
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean, holy smokes here, I like he said, I'm

1120
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: driving my wife nuts.

1121
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: He's so wound up about that tag. Tyrell.

1122
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: He's a talker, that guy. If he ain't talking, he's talking,

1123
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: he's walking.

1124
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 3: To walmart In town before and I could hear him

1125
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 3: clear across the others.

1126
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, Tyrell talking away.

1127
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, We're gonna have so much fun.

1128
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: That should be a good time. I haven't broke it.

1129
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: So I have a group of guys that have been

1130
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: hunting with me for years. You know, however many there

1131
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 3: are archer l hunters. I just love these guys. I mean,

1132
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: they are hard hunters. Well, there's been a few times

1133
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: they could the whiskey a little too hard, but but

1134
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: they're they're just good guys, good blue collar, hard working

1135
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: guys that that that I've been fortunate enough to get

1136
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 3: to know when they come out and spend money with

1137
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: me and hunt and I just really become good friends

1138
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 3: with them. Well, they always come the first week of September,

1139
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: so I haven't broke it to them that I'm not

1140
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 3: going to be here. Yeah, but I have a feeling

1141
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: they'll probably forgive me. Yeah, So I'll send them with

1142
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 3: really good guides. I'll send them with my top guides.

1143
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, and it's being good hands and

1144
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: they know it.

1145
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, So yeah, I'm looking forward to that.

1146
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 3: I think I could sounded like Tyrell needed to be

1147
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: back by like the sixth.

1148
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: Did he say that, Yeah.

1149
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifth or six or something. So that'll worked good

1150
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: with my schedule, and then I'll be able to go

1151
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: hunt with my son a bit before I head to

1152
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: the Yukon. So it'd be yea be awesome.

1153
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: I bet you're looking forward to the Yukon, aren't.

1154
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've been watching all sorts of YouTube videos,

1155
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: like I got to figure out how to judge these moos,

1156
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm sure. So this is a guided hunt, so I'm

1157
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: sure the guide will have some good input like, yeah,

1158
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: that's not a don't shoot that one, that one's not

1159
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: huge because they all look big, right.

1160
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: They do, Yeah, compared to our moose.

1161
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're a giant animal. So I look really

1162
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: looking forward to that. With old Jason Phelps. I told Jason,

1163
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: I said, hey, you're gonna have here's the deal. You're

1164
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: gonna shoot. You're gonna hnt with a bow and I'll

1165
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: hunt with a rifle and you get you get to

1166
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: shoot first unless it's too brushy and you can't make

1167
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: the shot and it's and if it's a really big one,

1168
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: then I gets He didn't like that idea.

1169
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: He didn't huh, well, I probably that.

1170
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: I know, right, what a jerk, I know it.

1171
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: It's funny, what's wrong with him?

1172
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, I'm super excited to hear how that goes,

1173
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: and hopefully you guys are sending me some picks.

1174
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, big huge yukon moose.

1175
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too.

1176
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: I should be sure.

1177
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,479
Speaker 1: We got twenty days up there, man, twenty days, that's great.

1178
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 3: I was going to ask you how you feel about

1179
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 3: losing that September time.

1180
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,479
Speaker 1: It hurts. It hurts like it's like, hey, you're gonna

1181
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: have to cut It's like one of those people that

1182
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: are stuck. That guy that was stuck in the rock

1183
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: when he was like a rock climber and he had

1184
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: to cut his arm off to get climb off the rock.

1185
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: That's how I feel. I feel like cutting my arm

1186
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: off to go moose hunting. But it is going to

1187
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: be a once in a lifetime type of opportunity to

1188
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: so yeah, I'm good with that. Like, I've always wanted

1189
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: to kill a moose, and I don't know if i'll

1190
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: ever draw tag here, so right, yeah, I'm pretty excited.

1191
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you'll there'll be other Septembers and you've been there, done,

1192
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 3: that several times. So I think I'm super excited for

1193
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: you guys, and I can't wait to I can't Are

1194
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 3: you taking a camera guy?

1195
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Old Dave Frame is coming with us from some

1196
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: bear hunts with you one time.

1197
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: I think I haven't seen him in a while, but yeah,

1198
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 3: he's still with you guys.

1199
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, so David Frame will come film and yeah

1200
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: it should should be awesome. It should. We'll probably get

1201
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: rained on and snowed on and everything. I feel like

1202
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: the whole whole Yukon experience is coming. Well maybe maybe

1203
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: we even get bluffed charged by a grizzly bear.

1204
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely be packing.

1205
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you can't carry you as a

1206
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: non resident. We can't take pistols up there.

1207
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: So you got the old bear spray on the show.

1208
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess I'll be carrying a three hundred

1209
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: PRC for that bear. I'll just let that thing eat.

1210
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: But uh, or you can't have suppressors. You can't take

1211
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: a suppressor up there. I don't know if they don't

1212
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: allow them and up there at all, or maybe it's

1213
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: just a non resident thing, but you can't take your suppressor, so.

1214
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: Huh darn it. Yeah, what's wrong with what's the deal

1215
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: with that? I mean, those are the best things as

1216
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: a guide.

1217
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

1218
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: You've been around me enough to know my hearing ain't

1219
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: the greatest, right, I've been muzzle blasted by clients so

1220
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 3: many stinking times that and a lot of it's my

1221
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: own fault. But you know, in the heat of the moment,

1222
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: and you got a bull out there, you've been hunting

1223
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: this guy for five days and you're trying to get

1224
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: him in elk and there he is, and the guy

1225
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 3: can't see it, and you're right there, you know, and

1226
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: you're you're looking through your binoculars and you're and then

1227
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 3: all of a sudden he sees it. He just pulls

1228
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: the trigger. You know, he catches you off guard. And

1229
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 3: I've had that happen so many times. And I have

1230
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: a ringing in my ear that.

1231
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: Never quits, like it's there, it's not going away.

1232
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: Wow, and background noise and stuff, and it's really damaged

1233
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: my hearings. So like the suppressors, the guy with the

1234
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: suppressor is like the best thing that's ever happened to

1235
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 3: me as far as a guide. Just nice and quiet. Yeah, yeah,

1236
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: And I know there's things I should be doing. I

1237
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 3: should be wearing the ear plugs and stuff. But you know,

1238
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: they make those fancy ear plugs that you can hear

1239
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 3: and talk with and you're walking in the gravel or

1240
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 3: an old logging road or something, they don't work. I mean,

1241
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: I've there when a gut, when a muzzle break goes

1242
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: off by me, I'll be wishing I had him in.

1243
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, as far as just hunting, they

1244
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: kind of suck. But yeah, they pick.

1245
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: Up all the wrong noises along with you know what

1246
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: you want to hear.

1247
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: I guess right.

1248
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 3: But those suppressors are awesome. I just got a few

1249
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: in a few in the metal just the other day.

1250
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh nice. Yeah, I just got a new nozzler one

1251
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: I wanted to put on my gun. But your gut

1252
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: always shoots a little differently with the suppressor, so I don't.

1253
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: I have a limited amount of AMMO. I need to

1254
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: have Phelps. Okay, listen, if Phelps is listening to this,

1255
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: he needs to get load me up some more AMMO.

1256
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm shooting handloads and I'm I'm getting running a little low.

1257
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: So if I if I side in with the suppressor,

1258
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: but then I have to take it back off for

1259
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: this trip, then I'm gonna I will burn up all

1260
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: my ammos. So I'm just I better. I'm gonna have

1261
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: to wait till I after my moose hunt to put

1262
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: my suppressor on.

1263
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1264
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, but it surprises me that it surprises me

1265
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 3: how hard.

1266
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: It is to get one.

1267
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: First of all, like how much paperwork, and oh, I

1268
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: consume it took me forever, and plus I I missed

1269
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 3: an answer or answered it wrong on accidentally, and then

1270
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 3: it threw it into this ordeal and it took me

1271
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: another month to get you know. Oh yeah, I mean

1272
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: they're harder to get than a gun from what I seen.

1273
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah definitely.

1274
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 3: But anyways, yeah, hopefully that'll get easier because like I said,

1275
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: they're sure nice on the ears.

1276
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you make a what do you call that

1277
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: still of having an individual and did you do a trust.

1278
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 2: On the paper.

1279
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: Where your suppressor? Yeah? So if you do a trust,

1280
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: then you can list other people on your trust, like

1281
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: you list Amy or Coop or whoever. Probably not Coop

1282
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: since he's not eighteen, but you can always update it.

1283
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: But if you if you make a trust, then you

1284
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: can get those suppressors on that trust. That way, people

1285
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: who are listed on the trust, if they're in possession

1286
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: of them, then they don't get in trouble. But let's

1287
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,200
Speaker 1: say you want to loan that. Let's say Amy wanted

1288
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: to take your gun to have the suppressor, and you

1289
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: weren't hunt, you weren't home, and she went by herself

1290
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: with that suppressor and had that in her in her possession,

1291
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: she could be in trouble because her name's not on

1292
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: that suppressor, just yours.

1293
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: Interesting.

1294
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I I did not know that, and say,

1295
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 3: I'm learning here. I wish I would have done that,

1296
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: but I didn't know.

1297
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but some of the some of those places like

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Speaker 1: this ain't This ain't a plug for Silence or Central

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Speaker 1: or anybody, but Silence are Central. They'll do all that

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01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: paperwork for you. So I my first suppressor I got.

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01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: I got one of the meat eater ones, and they

1302
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: take care of all that paper. You just you you

1303
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: tell them all that, they'll say, all right, what about

1304
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff? And you fill in all the information

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 1: and then they'll come and they'll they'll actually contact you

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01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: and make sure that everything's right.

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, and that's who I bought that. I

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01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 3: will say They were pretty good. Okay, that's who I

1309
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 3: bought my from. I actually got the meat eater, that

1310
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 3: fat short one for thirty and then I got a

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Speaker 3: twenty two and a couple of thirty cows.

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Speaker 2: But anyways, they were pretty good. But I was back.

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01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 3: East at at a Great American outdoor show and I'm

1314
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 3: sitting there and a guy next to me, a show

1315
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: buddy next to me, He's like, hey, forty percent off

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Speaker 3: suppressors for guides.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow.

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01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I went up there and I and they kind

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 3: of helped me there. You know, they had a big

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01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: booth set up the gun thing, and they kind of

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 3: helped me with the paperwork and then basically they sent

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Speaker 3: me a ton of emails and links to click on

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Speaker 3: and stuff later to finish off.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't bad.

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing is I accidentally either I

1327
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 3: can't remember, I didn't answer a question or I answered

1328
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 3: it wrong.

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: I just was in a.

1330
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Speaker 3: Hurry, you know, right, and not really delayed everything and

1331
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: messed up their system and I had.

1332
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Speaker 2: To redo everything and you know, leave it to me.

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Speaker 3: So that's but other than that silence or since there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I would recommend them.

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Speaker 2: They were they were pretty good to work for. Yeah,

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01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: or work or go through you know?

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Speaker 1: Yep, well I think, uh yeah, we we just hit

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Speaker 1: an hour. So uh can you tell people where they

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01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: can find you if they wanted to look you up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I'm on Instagram Idaho White Toe Guides. I have

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Speaker 3: a website that's up and going right now. And I

1343
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 3: actually have dust In your camera guy working on a

1344
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: new website for me. Oh awesome, so that should be

1345
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 3: done here soon. I gotta send them a bunch of pictures.

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01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 3: I got to work on that. But but yeah, I

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 3: have a website. And then also the Northern Northern Idaho

1348
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Speaker 3: Hound Association has a website up and going, and you

1349
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Speaker 3: you can become a member on there. Okay, okay, if

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Speaker 3: you're interested in being a member, just go on the website.

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Speaker 1: And you don't have to be a hound hunter, like,

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01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to own dogs to be a member.

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: It's just if you want to support hound hunting and

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01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: continue and you know, support that tradition, you could be

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Speaker 1: a member. Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Anybody can be a member. You don't have to

1357
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: be from Idaho. O. Yeah, and I can tell you know,

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 3: it's it's for all the right reasons. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: it's I think, just off the top of my head,

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Speaker 3: I think it's like fifty bucks to become a member

1361
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: for a year or there is a lifetime one on

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Speaker 3: their family one.

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Speaker 2: You just have to get on there and look.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, anybody can join, And yeah, you don't have

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Speaker 3: to be a hound hunter. I mean think a uh,

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Speaker 3: just think of it, just think as think about it.

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Speaker 3: If you're an elk hunter, you know how many lions

1368
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 3: that the hound guy's harvest, you know that say, you know,

1369
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 3: help save your deer and elk in a way.

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Speaker 2: And you know, obviously we.

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Speaker 3: Like I talked earlier, we got to be careful on

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Speaker 3: how many we kill. But there's got to be a

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01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: fine line, you know, and we're willing to work and

1374
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: listen to other people and come up with good solutions

1375
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: on how the season should be and where they should

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01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 3: be at and how you know, where the game should

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Speaker 3: be at. So yeah, definitely don't have to be a

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Speaker 3: hound hunter to join. We'd welcome anybody awesome. And if

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01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: you're interested in you know, helping with the field trials

1380
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 3: and stuff that we're going to have, you can or

1381
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: any other questions you might have just message me, probably

1382
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 3: on Instagram would be the easiest place to message me.

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: And I'm not the greatest of getting right back to you,

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01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 3: but I will get back to you eventually.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, awesome, awesome, well man, thanks for coming on

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: the podcast on short notice, and yeah, look forward to

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Speaker 1: catching up some more of this fall with you.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm looking forward to that and thanks a lot

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01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 3: for having me Derek.

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Speaker 1: Yep.