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Speaker 1: It's I Do Part two and I'm Jenny Garth, one

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Speaker 1: of your hosts, and today I'm going to jump in

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Speaker 1: with a fascinating woman that has really refined what leveling

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Speaker 1: up can look like in your chapter two. You know

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Speaker 1: her from Bravo shows Ladies of London and the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Dubai. She also hosts the podcast Uncut and

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Speaker 1: Uncensored and she is leading some incredible women's retreats that

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear about. So please welcome Caroline

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Speaker 1: Stanbury to the podcast. So, Caroline, you know, on this

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Speaker 1: podcast we talk all about finding love again, you know,

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Speaker 1: whether it's after been a whether it's been after a

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Speaker 1: divorce or a loss of a spouse whatever. But for

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Speaker 1: our listeners, can you just kind of like rewind and

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your major relationship milestones

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Speaker 1: that you've gone through. And yeah, I think we should

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Speaker 1: start with that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think you know, as a divorced woman,

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Speaker 2: I was married for eighteen years. I've got I had

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Speaker 2: three children. I think at that time they were probably

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Speaker 2: eight or nine when I got divorced, years old, and

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Speaker 2: I have twin boys. And then I had a daughter

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Speaker 2: that slightly she must have been twelve at the time.

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Speaker 2: And then I got divorced after eighteen years, and I

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Speaker 2: think after eighteen years you sort of lose yourself. I also,

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Speaker 2: at the same time managed to sort of lose my business, Yes,

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Speaker 2: get sued by a civil liquidata, and get divorced all

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Speaker 2: the same year, no, well into three years. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was two years that I married. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 2: two years later we married.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So and the year before I got divorced was when

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Speaker 2: to me, don't this is a crazy time to get divorced.

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Speaker 2: This is the worst time you could And I knew

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Speaker 2: if I stayed it would be for the wrong reasons.

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Speaker 2: It would be because I was scared of the financial

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Speaker 2: weirdest story because none of it should work. I was

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Speaker 2: which was still too young. But I didn't visit myself

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Speaker 2: we're here. We're seven years on and I'm not living

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Speaker 2: So somehow it is just all worked out. And I

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Speaker 2: make it, the other side's pretty darn good.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean when you push on through? Like

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Speaker 1: what did you resort to when it came to pushing

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Speaker 1: on through? Like what did you have to challenge yourself with?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've given you a very very short version. I

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Speaker 2: time as getting divorced. You know, my ex husband hated

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, So you're dividing your assets then, But also

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Speaker 2: when you're being sued, the only way you can get

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Speaker 2: So you're in these terrible terrible situation where you know

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Speaker 2: lot further on, and I thank you very much. I

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Speaker 2: I had rent to pay, mortgage, to pay, three kids,

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Speaker 1: Me, right, you knew that. How did you feel about

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Speaker 1: How did you bring yourself into that type of joy?

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Speaker 2: I mean it wasn't all joy. I mean I went

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Speaker 2: going into a new relationship after an old one, you

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Speaker 2: to say. It's not about the new man. I never

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Speaker 2: left for him, but I had met him at the

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Speaker 2: end of my marriage, right, And what I feel is

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Speaker 2: that if you can have those feelings for someone else

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Speaker 2: and you're getting more, you know, this kind of joy

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Speaker 2: should have been in. You can't steal someone that doesn't

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Speaker 2: whose husbands definitely wouldn't you know, jump because I said,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's go. It doesn't happen like that. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's one of you has to be get a ball.

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, what I realized was it

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be fair to stay in my marriage because I,

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Speaker 2: Regardless whether you know, my twenty four year old stayed

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Speaker 1: How did you know it was time to get out

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Speaker 2: When I was happy at out the house than in it.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's that's yeah, that's truth right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's it's as simple as that. I got

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Speaker 2: asked that question all the time because I used to

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Speaker 2: because everyone goes, oh, I'm so sorry, and actually, no,

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Speaker 2: then you know you may as well, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: if you live in this, you know, tiny room I'm

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Speaker 2: you've got you know, the biggest wealth to me is peace.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the biggest wealth is peace. That is very true.

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Speaker 1: I like that a lot. What what is your like?

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Speaker 1: How has that been co parenting with your three kids

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Speaker 2: Well, now it's perfect. We went through We went through

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Speaker 2: he runs a very big business. You know, I did

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Speaker 2: the worst, you know, like it's the most embarrassing thing

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Speaker 2: man that you know that a woman that's left for

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Speaker 2: a younger man and it's worked out because normally it fails.

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Speaker 2: So it took a long time, but he's a very

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Speaker 2: And the beginning was very hard because I really try

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Speaker 2: dinners together. Well that's ridiculous. No, you can't. You can't

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Speaker 1: Cut tis you think that's the key, cut it key's

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Speaker 1: That's where for me too, Like I have to actually

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't mind as much as that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you, I too, am married to a younger man

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Speaker 1: can really relate. I was, Yeah, I was ready for

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Speaker 1: Was he accustomed to that world your new husband, Sergia.

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Speaker 2: No, he was a soccer player, so you know, I

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Speaker 2: mean he's accustomed to obviously a bit of a crazy

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Speaker 2: also the horrible things I mean is, you know, people

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Speaker 2: And now he's with an older woman, so that must

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Speaker 2: be crazy. I'm that bought him, or he's gay and

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Speaker 2: all of these you heard it all, but yes, everything,

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Speaker 2: so but you know, I'm sure you I thought about

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Speaker 1: My daughter just told me last night we were watching it. Oh,

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Speaker 2: Other times it's like having another son, you know, in

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Speaker 2: So we're just totally different people. So I'm a doer

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00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 2: and he's a and I don't want to be in

431
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: a relationship where I'm where someone sees the rain, Where's

432
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: my husband sees a rainbow and wants to go dance

433
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 2: in the rain.

434
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Speaker 1: What a difference it is. That's I'm so happy for you.

435
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 1: Do you feel like do you ever have your mom's

436
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: a resentment though, where when you feel like you're kind

437
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 1: of living with a boy man?

438
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, of course I do. And I told I

439
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 2: tell him, you know, like you've got to step up

440
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: and do this way. How do they take that?

441
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: Like, I'm curious how he as a man takes these

442
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: kinds of like you teaching him lessons or him coming

443
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: up to the war and facing he does. He's very receptive. Okay,

444
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: that's very receptive. You're very that's very good, very receptive.

445
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,239
Speaker 2: And actually we lean into some of the I mean,

446
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: it is quite funny sometimes to watch me because I

447
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 2: do forget, Like I'll tap him on the back if

448
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: I want him to straight, and it's like, oh my god,

449
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: it's a mom move and I forget, you know, like

450
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: and because my sons are massive too, by the way,

451
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: there's six foot so the three of them all behind me,

452
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: and they all borrow each other's clothes, and so I do.

453
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: It isn't lost on me. But you know, oh my god.

454
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: But like, you know, on the other hand, please I

455
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: don't want it to sound really weird. We do have

456
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: a husband wife relationship. What has he taught you to

457
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: relax through things so you know that it's never the

458
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: end of the world, like and the safety of first

459
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: of all, age, you know. I used to feel older

460
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: weirdly with my ex husband, Like if I got a

461
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: gray head, you know, grace when you're on a holiday

462
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god, I need to find

463
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 2: you know, get my roots done, or you know, he

464
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: would tell me not on pobs, go a little bit

465
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: gray here or whatever. I would feel older. Where's my

466
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: husband now? Is Like we're traveling, He's like, oh, leave it.

467
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: I love it, you know, it's so weird. The thing

468
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: is he helps me in so many ways, right with

469
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 2: the kids, my businesses, so I do these even like

470
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,479
Speaker 2: the women's retreats. I wasn't. I started doing women's retreats

471
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: and I teach financial independence and I teach women life

472
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: after divorce and investing and things like this, which is

473
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: really fun. And I wasn't going to have him, but

474
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 2: I one of my because I didn't think it was appropriate, right,

475
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: one of the camera guys couldn't come, And then he

476
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 2: did it all and then the women just loved having

477
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: him there. And he's not in the room when we're

478
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: doing all our talks and everything, but he was on

479
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: the island, and you know, he just he's my partner,

480
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,360
Speaker 2: so like and because he's my husband, all the money

481
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: goes to the same pot obviously, and we're running around

482
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: doing things together, which means I don't travel alone. And

483
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: he's just taught me that life. I would have told

484
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: you there's no way on earth I would have worked

485
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 2: with my ex husband ever ever.

486
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: Why it would have just been too frictious.

487
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had a very big business before, and

488
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, he would have we would

489
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: always we were quite competitive with the money we earned

490
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: and all of these kind of things. And you know,

491
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: and then because he came in as younger and came

492
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: into my already built train, I feel like he was

493
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: more able to pick up the slack and do the

494
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: bits I couldn't do. And that now we're just a team.

495
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: You're a part the other partner partnership. So if he

496
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 2: does this, and if he's doing the work, then great,

497
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: and I've got the kids, or he's got the kids

498
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: and I'm doing the work. But somehow it's all working

499
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: right at the same time, and we're doing all the

500
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: businesses together, and we're traveling together. Because that was the

501
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: other thing, the distance. I think. You know, my ex

502
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: husband traveled for work, then I traveled for work, so

503
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: then you know, we just became there was such a disconnect.

504
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: Our friends were different. I wanted to be with my

505
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: girlfriends all the time. You know, my husband is my girlfriend,

506
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: and he loves being with my girlfriends. So it's just

507
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, He's taught me so many things, you know,

508
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: so many things it's really hard to explain, just to chill,

509
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: you know, to enjoy work rather than just like I've

510
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: got to go to work. You know. I love that.

511
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: It sounds like he's sort of brought you to like

512
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: a place of being able to sort of step back

513
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: and smell the roses and like have peace with yourself.

514
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 2: Well, you know when they say the work life balance,

515
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: come on, there isn't one rights not for.

516
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: What we do.

517
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Speaker 2: That's a lie. That's how Yeah, Like, if you're filming

518
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: for three months, how do you separate work in life?

519
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: You can't that it work is your life, right, So

520
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: the only way you can make it work is if

521
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: your life comes with you or your whole life is.

522
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 2: So that's that's what I feel like. My whole life

523
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: is in this house and this is where I walk.

524
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: I went from home.

525
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's happy with coming along with you and

526
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: being a part of your big life, then.

527
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Go for it.

528
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Speaker 1: Like more power to you. That's amazing. Hey guys, it's

529
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Speaker 1: Cheryl Burke.

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Speaker 1: I want to know more about the women's retreats though.

547
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: This is intriguing to me. I think I think I

548
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: heard you have one coming up in November. Yes, no

549
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: care tell tell.

550
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: So it kind of started by actually I told you

551
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: I had this podcast called Divorce Not Dead, which I

552
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: changed because it was so niche, but actually I probably

553
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: shouldn't have changed the name. I love it anyways, So

554
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: I just thought I used to get written to all

555
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: the time, like how you know the transition through divorce

556
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: and women? I know very very wealthy women or not

557
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: wealthy women. Women that were married to very wealthy men,

558
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: you know, And there's always sort of this smugness about

559
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: wealthy women who've married well, and they go, you know

560
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: when I'm fine, Well, you know you're not not unless

561
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 2: he's put in your account. So let me just tell

562
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: you that right now. And you know, it's amazing how

563
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 2: poor they are the day you get divorced. So no,

564
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: beyond true. And I trust me. I live in the

565
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Middle East. I see it every day. I'm sure literally

566
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: every day mine. It's nuts and they end up with nothing.

567
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 2: And I had like a girlfriend of mine, she had

568
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: seventeen homes before she was married. She was she was

569
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: married twenty years. She got nothing. She doesn't even know

570
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: ow an apartment. I mean, it's insane. So the little

571
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 2: money she did get, you know, the little money she

572
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: did get, now she sits on it in the bank

573
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: right because she's too scared. She's like, it's all I've got.

574
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: She does want to let it go. And that is

575
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: a understandable woman. And I think women have to understand

576
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: because I run meant multiple businesses and they come out

577
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: all the time. So I have a project in Bali,

578
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: I have the podcast, I have you know, airbnbs here,

579
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: I built the house. But this is this is by

580
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: the way, after four years of like almost going bankrupt, right,

581
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: I built all the back. I don't know how if

582
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: I really think about it. But that's why I started

583
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: these retreats, because if I had been scared for a minute,

584
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been able to do or build the

585
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: wealth I have back at all. But and I don't

586
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: know why I wasn't scared, but only that and the

587
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: other way, you have no choice. If you don't go

588
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: on and build it, what are you gonna do. You're

589
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: gonna sit on the piddly little amount you've got left

590
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: and just wait for someone to pay you a salary.

591
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 2: You have to make your money work for you today

592
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 2: or you'll always work for somebody.

593
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: That's right.

594
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: And that's it. And I'm thinking about I'm fifty. I

595
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: need passive income when you need to care.

596
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need that security because no one's going to

597
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: give it to you at this point. It's all I am, right,

598
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: So I think I had that realization too, where I

599
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 1: was like, this is my life there and I've been

600
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: an independent my entire life, never lived you know, never

601
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: accepted money from a husband or anything like that. But

602
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: I can absolutely put myself in the shoe a woman

603
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: who has And I thought about that a lot, and

604
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, when I realized this is it. I am

605
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: on my own no matter what. I've got to figure

606
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: it all out or there is really no or that,

607
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: there's only.

608
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: That option, there's no are, there's no or. And you know,

609
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: other women just sit there, going, well, someone else is

610
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: going to come along. Yeah, Well, you know today, with

611
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: the way the world is, there's such a disconnect between

612
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: men and women. They may not and they should be

613
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: prepared either way. It didn't matter.

614
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: You can't depend on someone else for your life, basically, and.

615
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: I teach that. And so when these women. I started

616
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: doing these dinners first, and I wanted to see who

617
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: would show up, and I had no idea. I was like,

618
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: I did one in New York. I was like, God

619
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: knows who's going to show off. And this is the

620
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: first person that came. I see this little old lady

621
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: coming across no across the road, and I'm going, okay,

622
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: and she goes Caroline waving at me, and I'm like,

623
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: oh God, this is going to be a nightmare.

624
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Wait, how did she find out? How did she find out.

625
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: So I put it on my I put it on

626
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: my This was a dinner. It started as a dinner

627
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: that you could pay a ticket and come to the dinner.

628
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: I put on my Instagram. Who's in New York loved?

629
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: You know, I'm hosting a VIP dinner. So anyway, the

630
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: first woman comes and she sits down and she sold

631
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: her business to Warren Buffett. Okay, yes, okay. She then

632
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: made so much money she bought it back. She was

633
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: living in Mustique. She's about I think she was seventy

634
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: six when she came to the dinner. This is a

635
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: few years ago now. And another another woman came. She'd

636
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: sold a business for I don't know, three four hundred

637
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: million Australian, which is like two hundred million dollars. It

638
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 2: was the weirdest lasers. Yeah, getting divorced. And these powerful

639
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: women came right and I was, I mean, I was

640
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: the poorest person at the table by far, and Lee successful.

641
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: So I'm going, why are all these women why are

642
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: they listening to me? Yes? And then I understood women

643
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: want to like minded women. Okay, at this age, they

644
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: want to connect with women. They want purpose, They don't

645
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: need to make money. Any you know, they don't need

646
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: to make money, but they need to do something they

647
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: want the next thing they've done, they've already made the money.

648
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: You know, some other women came of of course it

649
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: hadn't made that kind of money, but they'd made a

650
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: nice amount of money. Some of them had grown up

651
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: in small towns, made a bit of money. And you know,

652
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: the people around them now resented them, right because they

653
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: became a little bit bigger than them. And they wanted

654
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: to connect with like minded women. And it was the

655
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: weirdest thing, and it became quite powerful. And then I

656
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: did this other one in Texas and one woman was

657
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: running for Congress, another woman was to one went to Princeton.

658
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: One had like all these treatment centers in LA like

659
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: amazing beautiful women, and they've all kept in contact with

660
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: each other. And I said, I'm actually doing something quite

661
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: powerful here. These women wanted to do business with each other,

662
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: they want to connect with each other. They're now doing

663
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: a reunion. I'm on a group chat with them and

664
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: I can see. I take everybody's see before they come

665
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: to the retreat, so I can see, Like on this

666
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: new one, I've got quite a lot of people who

667
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 2: are in real estate coming because real estate's really quite

668
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: an easy business for somebody who's starting out to invest

669
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: and doesn't know how to invest their money. And that

670
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: is probably the easiest way for a woman to build

671
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: wealth with not much, you know, not much education.

672
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: Can I pause for you for a second, say, I'm

673
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: one of those women that doesn't have any money. Like

674
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: my husband wasn't wealthy. We're divorced. Now I'm still not

675
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: wealthy and I'm on my own. So how do I

676
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: even start?

677
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Well, I always tell the women, because I do, you know,

678
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: I tell you look around the house and see what

679
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: you can sell, liquidate as much as you can. And

680
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, if you've got jewelry assets, any asset, get

681
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: rid of it and put it into a down payment,

682
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: because all you need to do is get on that

683
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: ladder and you can start with you know, it doesn't

684
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: have a one bedroom tiny I started with one bedroom apartment,

685
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: and then I started to build and to remortgage and

686
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: to get my next one and my next one, and

687
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: I got six and I don't know how.

688
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: So you bought an apartment and then you flipped it,

689
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: rented it.

690
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: Out, rented it out, renovated it. That as much as

691
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: I could re mortgaged it, used that mortgage payment to

692
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: do the next one, and did the same and started

693
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: building beautiful.

694
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: This is not hard. That's not hard.

695
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: It's on a cloud.

696
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: No one has ever broken that down for me, like

697
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: no one has ever. Here's step one, here's step two,

698
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: here's step three. Yes, if you want to follow this plan.

699
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what I do. So we sit there

700
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: until you actually can't walk away. The whole point of

701
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: the retreat is you walk away with an answer. Everybody,

702
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: and also the women that are in there. Some, as

703
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: I said, some are super successful and some aren't and

704
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 2: don't have the money, but they want to learn, right,

705
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: So everybody sits there and you actually get each other's opinion.

706
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happens when women come together, are

707
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: strong together, any kind of woman, A week strong, doesn't

708
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: even matter. The energy just changes everybody's energy.

709
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: The energy in that room was insane. But when I

710
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: break it down like that to you, and you know

711
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: I didn't have any money left. I didn't. I told

712
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: you I had twenty five thousand dollars and maybe that's

713
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: still for some people, a lot of money. I don't know,

714
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: but that wasn't. I wasn't sitting on a pile of cash.

715
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 2: I have six I have six and somehow I bought

716
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:28,320
Speaker 2: this house. You can talk yourself into anything. My last

717
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: apartment I spent zero because I refinanced the others. I

718
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: didn't put a pound down, not one pound. And I

719
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: think it sounds so complicated that we over complicate, right,

720
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: But once you get going, it's truly not you know,

721
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: And you'd be surprised how much money if we're really

722
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: talking about you as sitting in your home in probably bags, clothes,

723
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: car I could think of quite a few things. You

724
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: can buy them back later when you've built a portfolio.

725
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: I remember when I have a mortgage guy here who

726
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: was helping me, and I said, I've got no money left.

727
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: I've got no cash left, and he goes, well, we've

728
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: been here before, haven't we, except you now have a

729
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: property portfolio. And I looked around and went, I do.

730
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: You say it's label breaking? Like about breaking the labels.

731
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: It's about, you know, breaking the mystery. I think people

732
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: like to over complicate business. Right, I've achieved this, but

733
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: I you know, because you're seeing the end, you're seeing

734
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: me at six or seven. But you don't seeing where

735
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: I started, right. Everyone wants the end, but they don't

736
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: know what the beginning was. The beginning. You know, I've

737
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: never started a business where I haven't literally had to

738
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: beg somebody for money to start, right, except for the

739
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: property business, I didn't beg anyone. I just literally said, okay,

740
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'll save this that the mortgage. In fact,

741
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: your deposits are even less than we have to do here.

742
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: You in America, you can put very little down.

743
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

744
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 2: I looked at the States too, yes, much less, so,

745
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, and and there are so many good business

746
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: plans out there, Like I wanted to do Section eight

747
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: housing in America because I just thought that was just

748
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: such a great business. And I've looked at all of it.

749
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: You know, you want to do in America. You want

750
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: to do the things that are un sexy, right, The

751
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: businesses no one else wants to do in our in

752
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: our genre are the businesses that you want to take.

753
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: Those are the ones that make money. Car washers, no joke,

754
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: laundry mats, no joke, very little upfront, so unglamorous, so unglad.

755
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: That's necessity. They are also what do you call it,

756
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: my head's gone proof. Recession proof, the recession proof, and

757
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: that's what you're looking for. And then when you can

758
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: build it and you want to do something glamorously, to

759
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 2: go for it. But you know, I don't care about glamor.

760
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I always said that I would

761
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: do the I would do the depends the nappy, you know,

762
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: the one, the one for women's content that they want

763
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: to pay for me.

764
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Someone will see you to it.

765
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, exact why, I know, But like I'll take the

766
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: un sexy jobs they pay. Hmmmm.

767
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: It's it's so interesting your perspective, and I love that

768
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: it's coming from this strong female financial Uh, you know,

769
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: I can make this happen for myself. And that's such

770
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: an important message to women, especially women that don't come

771
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: from wealth that finding you know, they're finding themselves kind

772
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: of starting over and it is very scary.

773
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: It is scary, but you should take other people and

774
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: let them inspy you instead of let them threaten you.

775
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: Yes. Absolutely. Big pivot for me was looking at other

776
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: women who have more than me, who are smarter than me,

777
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: who who have just you know, had more success than me.

778
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: I want to surround myself with those women because I

779
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: want to learn learn how they did it. I want

780
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: to I want to see what that looks like.

781
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: That is the most important thing. You want to be

782
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: the most dumb person in the room if you're not

783
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 2: changed rooms.

784
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: Because you're not gonna learn anything in that room. Right,

785
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: that's the thing.

786
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 2: Nothing, and that's the most important thing. I don't think

787
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 2: you know, look, use it, use it. Listen to people

788
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: that have been through it, because you know, again, as

789
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: you said, no one's coming to save you. It is

790
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 2: so easy when you break it down and it's not

791
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: as scary. And a woman that's already there, that's achieved

792
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: something from nothing, and a lot of the people that have,

793
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, really successful women today have come from nothing.

794
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: Look at people like Emma Grady, look at look at

795
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: all these women who have hard graph to get to

796
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: where they are. Right, they will give you a leg up,

797
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: they will give you their secrets. It's the ones that

798
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: haven't had to work for it that don't right. You know,

799
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: when I was building my first business, I was doing

800
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: like a netaporte online but for gifts. I remember the

801
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: founder of netaport and one of the one of the

802
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: first investors. She gave me her packaging company, her tissue

803
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: paper company, her gifting you know, the river everything, and

804
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: everyone was going stop asking her, and she said, no, no,

805
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: I'm there's room for everybody in this business. That's you know,

806
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: if you're a confident woman, there is room for everybody.

807
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm not giving you my secret. There's no secrets, no secret,

808
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, there's no secret. The secret is. The

809
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: secret is I'm doing it. Yeah, hard work, get up

810
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: and do it. Just get up and do it. If

811
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: you can't afford to do it in your country, there

812
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: are other countries that you can afford to get to

813
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: do it in. I've just started doing it in Bali. Now.

814
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: I'd never been to Bali before.

815
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I heard your your you and your

816
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: husband are opening a retreat.

817
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: Hotel, boutique hotel. I don't know how. I was so

818
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: dead against it. I've never I've been to Bali once

819
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 2: in my life. Don't didn't really like it, Like, I'm like,

820
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: why am I going? This was years ago now I

821
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: quite like it. I bought we bought the land. Then

822
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know how we're going to pay

823
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: for the rest of it, and like just slowly, slowly

824
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 2: and then people see your dream, they join you, and

825
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: it's happening. It is being built. I've done all the foundations.

826
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: It's all there, the big builds starting. We've just got

827
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: a huge partner. It's coming because we're doing it. We

828
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: took the step. We just did it, and there is

829
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: like Dubai you get like you know, this is something

830
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: that I can run for the rest of my life.

831
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: I don't look need to look pretty, I don't need

832
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: to look I don't need to really know what I'm doing.

833
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: Because it's a boutique hotel. Everyone's going to come because

834
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: they're going to want to like either meet us or

835
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: see if it's good, see if it's rubbish.

836
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but they're going to come out come.

837
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: It sounds I mean, I'm so excited for you. That

838
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: sounds like such a fun. Chapter two to do with

839
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: your new husband, Like hasn't been working with them?

840
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: Well, he's been doing that. It's great. We don't argue

841
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: at all because we do different things. I think the

842
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: best thing is just to separate your your roles and

843
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: don't tread on each other's toes communication. It sounds like, yes,

844
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: and if you're working for the same thing, which is

845
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: your retirement together? Right then you're excited, like it's the

846
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: same thing. I think a lot of people do bet

847
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: and breakfast in America now, and things like this, like

848
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: just jobs or businesses that don't you could run for

849
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: the rest of your life, that don't really require you

850
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: to look a certain way, and that you can keep

851
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: the room rates going and you it's just an easy,

852
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: fun business and you get to meet nice people.

853
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I love this. I'm so excited about

854
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: this chapter in your life. I think that a lot

855
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: of women are going to be really inspired by your strength,

856
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: your knowledge. You know, I didn't know you before this interview,

857
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Speaker 1: and I just met you. I'm not a watcher of

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Speaker 1: any of the housewives.

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Speaker 2: Don't why you weren't learning?

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Speaker 1: Were you were on the Dubai right? Yeah, which I

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Speaker 1: can was very glamorous because, like I said, I never

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Speaker 1: saw it, but it sounds like such a wild ride.

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Speaker 1: Is there going to be another? Are there going to

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Speaker 1: be more episodes of the next Dubai Housewife?

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Speaker 2: Actually don't know. We are paused at the moment. I

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Speaker 2: think quite a few of them, so I have no idea. Again,

867
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Speaker 2: you know, TV, you never know, That's why you can't

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Speaker 2: rely on it.

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Speaker 1: Why did they posit? I think they can posit for

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Speaker 1: a million reasons, I guess, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think Dubai is quite hard, you know if first

872
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: of all, it's very foreign for them, you know, like

873
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Speaker 2: it's it's very expensive to come over here all the

874
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Speaker 2: way from the States. It's a very foreign place to film.

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00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 2: You've got to look at a lot more permits. It's

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00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: they're not used to having. We were the first reality

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Speaker 2: show here, so they've never had anything like that. I mean,

878
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Speaker 2: it's funny because I did Ladies of London in England

879
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: and we were the first reality show there too, and

880
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: it was just as hard, you know, because everyone didn't

881
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Speaker 2: understand what we were trying to do. And it was

882
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: called Real Housewives of Dubai, and then the Dubai government

883
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: were like, well, they're not like Real Housewives of Dubai.

884
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Speaker 2: That's not what Real Housewives of Dubai looks like, you know.

885
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Speaker 2: So it was it's just it's a different, very foreign

886
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Speaker 2: town to do it. But I think they're getting their

887
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Speaker 2: head around it now.

888
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Speaker 1: Okay, well would you do it again?

889
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Speaker 2: I don't know, is the answer. Right now. I'm very

890
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Speaker 2: happy out of it, like I'm a very happy, positive

891
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Speaker 2: person and these shows, you know, require you to go

892
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: head to head with a lot of women, and I

893
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: think you can see that I'm not that. I like

894
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Speaker 2: to build women. I love it.

895
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Speaker 1: Maybe the shows need to kind of pivot their focus,

896
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Speaker 1: but maybe that won't be it's fun for people to watch.

897
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Speaker 1: I don't know. If it were me producing it, I

898
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Speaker 1: would absolutely be pivoting to women, supporting women and meeting

899
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Speaker 1: women like you today who are like, let me tell

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00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: you by manufacturer's name, let me tell you where to

901
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: take your money. I love that about you. You are

902
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Speaker 1: a giver to other women and that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, I mean, and it should be glorified,

904
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Speaker 2: like I would love a show like this too, So

905
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Speaker 2: I would love to do Building Barley and things like this.

906
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Speaker 2: Way you can still have the conflict and the fun

907
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: because obviously there's things that are going to be going wrong, right,

908
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: but you know, or or any business show with women,

909
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: right it is everybody's learning and everybody is trying to

910
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Speaker 2: get ahead, and we all are in the same position today.

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00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: Most women are divorced and looking for their next chapter.

912
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Speaker 2: And that is if women came together and helped other

913
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Speaker 2: women feel secure in what their next chapter looked like.

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Speaker 2: The world would be a very different place.

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Speaker 1: Well, they can look to you so and to me, yeah,

916
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Speaker 1: and to you we've got something. Yeah, we've all got examples.

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Speaker 1: I say, definitely surround yourself with stronger, stronger women that

918
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Speaker 1: have been through more and learned more.

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Speaker 2: Thousands week give you strength.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for chatting with me today.

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Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. It's been amazing. Who knew

923
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Speaker 2: we had such parallel lies.

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Speaker 1: I know it's weird when you talk to someone you've

925
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: never met before and things like that happen.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, good luck with your resort, retreat. What should

928
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Speaker 1: I call it?

929
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Speaker 2: Retreat?

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Speaker 1: Hotel? Oh, you retreat and your hotel you a lock

931
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Speaker 1: away on.

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Speaker 2: Well I'm two years away from that, but I'm in

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Speaker 2: the middle of it all.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Keep going, You're doing great. Thank you all right,

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Speaker 1: have a great thing.

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Speaker 2: So nice to meet you. Bye bye.

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Speaker 1: This conversation has been so incredible. Thank you Caroline for

938
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Speaker 1: joining me on the pod. If you're ready to level

939
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Speaker 1: up your chapter two, call us or email us. All

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