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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast does not listen to your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the League Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal and him joined by a couple of heroes,

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Speaker 1: Chris Wesseling and Mark Sessler. So it's so good to

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Speaker 1: be here. It's great. It's uh listen, we love Mondays

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Speaker 1: in the NFL because we've got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just you know, the rest of the day,

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Speaker 1: we gotta file this story, gotta get over there, gotta

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Speaker 1: get in front of a camera, and it's all kind

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Speaker 1: of stops when we get in this room, Studio sixty six,

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Speaker 1: and we can just talk to some football. It's it's

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Speaker 1: our sanctuary. That's what the kids say, right, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna say sanctuary. There you go, Well, Mark Sanctis night.

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Speaker 1: Was that accounting crows consert a fading nine? Right, But

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Speaker 1: you saw it? But you saw Dan Hansas there you went,

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Speaker 1: You went with him. So yeah, we went together. Actually

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Speaker 1: had a chance to. Uh. I went over to Dan's

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Speaker 1: household and met his young son, Jack Carson Hansas. That's awesome,

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Speaker 1: what a great little guy. And the family is doing great,

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Speaker 1: doing great from what I could tell. And uh, then

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Speaker 1: we went up and snuck our way to the first

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Speaker 1: row of the Counting Crows concert. We were nestled back

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Speaker 1: in like Section B or something, and whittled our way

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Speaker 1: down to the very first row and took some photos.

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Speaker 1: And Dan's wife was cool with him spending the third

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Speaker 1: you know night of his son's life with Adam Dirrett's

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Speaker 1: instead of Jack. Well, the potentially sticky sign of things

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Speaker 1: to come. But uh, I think she was because her

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Speaker 1: family's there. There was a lot of you know, listen, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Dan's covered his basses in terms of he's been home

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Speaker 1: for days and days. Counting Crows were annoying in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: all right, you know, definitely right now, I will unashamedly

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Speaker 1: stick up for them. I you have bands from your

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Speaker 1: youth that you like and you don't know why I mean.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not claiming that they're burning the burning the

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Speaker 1: fields down now with new content. But one of the

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Speaker 1: hottest hot streaks we've ever seen when it came to

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Speaker 1: absolutely women, I almost got hit once. He was roaring

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Speaker 1: down from sunset up in the hills. I was crossing

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Speaker 1: killed by the man that checks out and you still

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Speaker 1: like him. Well, the injury didn't happen. Well, while you

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Speaker 1: were at the concert, I was digging into a little

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Speaker 1: Panthers chiefs. How about the team of a t L

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Speaker 1: was fun to watch in the preseason? Panthers from a

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Speaker 1: they got me thinking. I was thinking we we rode

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Speaker 1: off the possibility of them being the team of ETL

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Speaker 1: two years in a row too quickly. That they looked

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Speaker 1: pretty fun to watch. Would anyone veto them? I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even going there. I've taken a peek at

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Speaker 1: our power rankings, and it seems obvious that the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are the team of a TL just based on power

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Speaker 1: rankings alone. That's well, nice try you know the four

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Speaker 1: of us that you know, Dan is off on praternity

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Speaker 1: leave of course, and Kevin, Patra and Mark and Chris

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Speaker 1: and I all put in our power rankings. We shook

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Speaker 1: it up in a little snow globe. It's spit out

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Speaker 1: some numbers overnight, and we now have power rankings that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna include in all our season preview content are

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Speaker 1: a f C West preview is up on Monday, and

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Speaker 1: you can check that out on NFL dot com slash

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Speaker 1: a t L and we'll roll out the rest of

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Speaker 1: the a f C this week. Mark's doing the a

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Speaker 1: f C North on Tuesday. And Yeah, the Steelers, they

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Speaker 1: that out there in the top six teams overall, that

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Speaker 1: deep into third. But we really like the Chargers too.

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Speaker 1: We don't just see them making it back to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: We have them as a legit top ten NFL type

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Speaker 1: of team. And you've got any team where you've got

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Speaker 1: coming out of the weekend. So we're gonna do something

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Speaker 1: a little different for today's show. We're gonna go through

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Speaker 1: each one of the preseason games and give our takeaways

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Speaker 1: last season, you'll remember every Sunday night, after it's all over,

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Speaker 1: didn't really matter as much. I've been ready alright, So

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna actually do any news, but we do

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Speaker 1: have a new producer here, not new to the podcast overall,

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Speaker 1: but different karriat back in the mix. What's going on? Guys?

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Speaker 1: How was your weekend pretty good? It wasn't going to

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Speaker 1: a Counting Crows contint? You were here? Right? Well, apparently

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Speaker 1: news anyways. We start our preseason round up with the

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Speaker 1: Patriots and Eagles on Friday Night. A lot of action

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Speaker 1: in this one. Chris Wesleyan was locked into it. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with the quarterbacks on New England side. Jimmy Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: Aaron Dobson more than Tompkins because he finished last season

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Speaker 1: the Gronk category. Ertz isn't blocking like Gronk. No, he's

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Speaker 1: It was a sloppy game, Mark, I know you were

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Speaker 1: all rookie running backs, but he'll he's gonna get playing

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Speaker 1: by the way, Holmes was fourth in the rotation in

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Speaker 1: this second game, so they're they're still trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out what they want to do. I thought Jones Drew

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Speaker 1: actually looked U kay, McFadden's looked pretty good both weeks.

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Speaker 1: James Drew looks slow to me, he looks he looks

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Speaker 1: like last year was bouncing off some defenders, which that's

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Speaker 1: what he does job though, hat doesn't even try to

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Speaker 1: go deep. And I think that's where your argument that

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Speaker 1: they've been that the interception came on a deflection, and

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, well, that wasn't his fault necessarily, That's

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Speaker 1: what I thought at first, But then I thought they're

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Speaker 1: sitting on these routes. That's been my main point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he won't even try, so the defenses, they're not dumb.

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Speaker 1: They're watching film, sit on the sit on the checkdown.

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Speaker 1: And there there was another throw that ended a drive

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Speaker 1: that it was right on target and the defender reached

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Speaker 1: over the back of I think it was street or

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Speaker 1: and broke it up and I thought, well, that wasn't

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Speaker 1: a bad throw. But then again I thought they're sitting

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Speaker 1: on these routes in this preseason, Matt mcgloyan has completed

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Speaker 1: ten passes which have traveled ten yards or more. Derek

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Speaker 1: carrs completed five and Car has not shown me much.

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Speaker 1: That's why I but bat Shop has completed zero. I

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Speaker 1: don't know we're talking about this right, but you were

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Speaker 1: like sticking up for Shop that he hasn't shown anything.

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Speaker 1: But this is exactly what we're talking about. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: I just think it's the preseason and I'll kill them

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Speaker 1: after two weeks of the regular I think they wanted

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Speaker 1: a veteran to come in and give some continuity at

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Speaker 1: this position. But here's the problem. You can't roll out

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Speaker 1: a quarterback with limited physical gifts at this stage in

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Speaker 1: his career. Your entire offense is hamstrung. If you do that.

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Speaker 1: Car is not Blake Bordles. We're not saying that, but

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Speaker 1: come on, talk about what what do you want to

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Speaker 1: do to energize this fan base and to give yourself

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Speaker 1: a chance to develop a young passer. That's Car. They're

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Speaker 1: going down with that ship. Anything exciting we want to

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Speaker 1: hit on with the Lions. Golden Tate making some noise

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Speaker 1: look good. Hebron looked good. They've got a lot of weapons.

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Speaker 1: Tate looked really good. It's hard not to be excited

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Speaker 1: about their offense. Reggie Bush is the same player he does.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't is. Last year, early in the season, we

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Speaker 1: all thought he looked the best he had since USC

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't look that way right now. But it's

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Speaker 1: the it's the preseason, and I've heard too many veterans

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Speaker 1: like Reggie Bush that are established and aren't fighting for everything.

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Speaker 1: When they talk about the preseason, they admit they're not

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Speaker 1: going all out. They don't get his intent intense. They're

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Speaker 1: not going isn't his role? I mean, he look good

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Speaker 1: to me, look fine. I think his role is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a little bit diminished though. They almost have so

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Speaker 1: many weapons that how do you if you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: Theo Riddick, this guy that we can't stop talking about

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Speaker 1: in there too and Bell and everyone else. I mean,

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Speaker 1: be the same. That's good for these kids. I think

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Speaker 1: it's good for Bush too. I don't think he minds

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Speaker 1: and he doesn't need three touches. Stafford. Stafford looked sharp,

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Speaker 1: sharper than I've seen him in a while. Also sharp.

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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. They take the preseason seriously. If every team

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Speaker 1: attacked the preseason like Seattle did, I don't think people

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Speaker 1: would hate the preseason as much as they do the

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Speaker 1: Their game against the Broncos in last year's preseason was

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Speaker 1: the hardest I've ever seen any team play in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: and their game against the Chargers last Friday night was

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Speaker 1: the second hardest ever team and I'm guessing both of

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Speaker 1: those games were in Seattle. They have an extra intensity

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Speaker 1: when they're playing. Carol just said that this game against

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Speaker 1: the Chargers was the best preseason game he's seen from

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Speaker 1: one of his own teams. What about the little Christen

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Speaker 1: Mike Robert Turban battle. Michael, to me hasn't looked as

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Speaker 1: good as he did last preseason. Turban looked great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Michael, I am surprised the Turban is the

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Speaker 1: guy that's out playing him at this stage. But that

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Speaker 1: is what's happening after two preseason games. I guess the

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Speaker 1: takeaway is that Turban, if Lynch was to go down,

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Speaker 1: Turban isn't going away. That's a tag team. Well, you're

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Speaker 1: you're the one Mark I believe that wrote up the

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Speaker 1: Kristen Michael making the leap in my correct time. I

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Speaker 1: don't think, yeah, I didn't. I don't think I even

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Speaker 1: mentioned Robert Turban in that because he seemed like a

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Speaker 1: non factor to me. I mean with Kristen Michael, if

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Speaker 1: there was, you know, we're looking for the team of

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Speaker 1: a t L. We're gonna try to decide that before

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Speaker 1: week one. We'll we'll start to discuss that more and

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Speaker 1: more in the coming weeks. Dan will get back in

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Speaker 1: because it has to be unanimous vote. If there was

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Speaker 1: a player of a t L this offseason, it might

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Speaker 1: have been Kristin Michael. I mean we were standing on

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Speaker 1: top of a table, on top of a table, so

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Speaker 1: you know, come on, Kristin Michael, how about you, you know,

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Speaker 1: give us something back here. We gve me a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of inc Let's talk a little packers rams.

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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford quietly made his return from a torn a

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Speaker 1: c Does he do anything but quietly? That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: What did What did we think of him? The best

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Speaker 1: case scenario? In my mind, I'm usually underwhelmed by him,

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Speaker 1: and I thought he looked very solid, So you were

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Speaker 1: still underwhelmed, but underwhelmed as usual, he looked better than

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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford usually looks, which was surprising to me coming

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Speaker 1: off in a C and Briant Quick being a nice

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Speaker 1: he made a nice he was a nice throat a

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Speaker 1: quick and then in that there was a nice drive

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Speaker 1: that that he went out on Bradford. And my problem

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Speaker 1: isn't always I'm not sure we I'd like to see

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Speaker 1: Bradford at some point his career in a completely different offense.

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Speaker 1: This I don't want to harp on this over and

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Speaker 1: over every couple of months, but this Shottenheimer Brian Shotenheimmer

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Speaker 1: offense is the issue. It is a tough wash. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's see it in the in the season. Man, this

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Speaker 1: offense has a lot of moving pieces right now, and

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Speaker 1: so I think it's fair to expect them to start

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Speaker 1: out slowly. You have a quarterback coming off of torn

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Speaker 1: a c O. You're trying to start Brian Quick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny bridd All of a sudden, they were hoping Trey

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Speaker 1: Mason was going to provide depth at running back. He

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Speaker 1: hasn't really looked great. He's third on the depth chart.

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Speaker 1: They're still searching for a few things. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: not searching packers, packers because Aaron Rodgers was absolutely surgical,

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Speaker 1: proving once again that he's the best player in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And it was just absolutely on fire. And they have

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Speaker 1: a nice little seventh round wid you see Jeff Janis.

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Speaker 1: He has gotten the Twitter airways right. There are seventeen

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Speaker 1: different people that cover, uh, the Packers for two newspapers,

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Speaker 1: eight eight for each newspaper, and they all tweet play

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Speaker 1: by play in training camp. And Janis has been showing

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Speaker 1: up a lot. He showed up in the priests. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen this one yet. Tell me about he's a

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Speaker 1: small school guy. Uh, he's a white dude, and he

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Speaker 1: is big and fast. He's um. You think like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I could pick him out of a

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Speaker 1: lineup with that description, But you're your seventh round receiver.

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Speaker 1: You did not expect him to be like six three

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Speaker 1: running of four or five and blowing up the measurables

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Speaker 1: at the common And that's what this guy. So what

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Speaker 1: you're saying is he is the two thousand and fourteen

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Speaker 1: answered to Kenbrol Tompkins, You're like, this is a physical guy.

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Speaker 1: Why why was he not drafted or seventh round? I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, more like a guy the Packers drafted

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Speaker 1: in the seventh round the year before and ended up

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Speaker 1: on the Browns roster. Charles Johnson, that one's really worked

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Speaker 1: out so far. Excuse john You know, by the time

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Speaker 1: some people were listening to this on Tuesday morning, Charles

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Speaker 1: Johnson plays tonight against the Redskins, you might see something stright.

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Speaker 1: What happens in this game? Uh? What is Charles Johnson

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Speaker 1: doing this match? Last game? He specifics four catches fifty

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Speaker 1: one yards touchdown. That's not too exciting. It's a preseason game.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna play like fifteen snaps. But this is you've

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Speaker 1: You've had a level of expectations. I expected something more specific,

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Speaker 1: like well, like that was pretty specific. It was underwhelming.

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Speaker 1: I would have thought you would have said, like six catches,

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Speaker 1: eighty three yards and he reads high coup, you know,

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Speaker 1: to Michelle Tavoya right before half gives D'Angelo hall Aggie.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, all those things are in play. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that's not gonna happen. I'm just saying he

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Speaker 1: will have fifty one yards and maybe the high coup

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Speaker 1: as well. Ravens Cowboys were on Saturday night one of

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Speaker 1: the games I was watching here at NFL Media Headquarters

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Speaker 1: in Culver City. Seven games at the same time. It

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Speaker 1: was hard to pay attention, which is part of the

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Speaker 1: reason I didn't take a lot out of this game

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Speaker 1: other than Tony Romo looks healthy and he was accurate

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Speaker 1: on a couple of throws deep down the field. Does

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Speaker 1: Bryant is healthy? Hooray? I think des bryant Um has

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Speaker 1: separated from the pack and is the clear number two

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Speaker 1: behind Calvin Johnson. He looked amazing. It's the preseason. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I thought he was already headed that way,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna happen this year. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: think it's going to happen, but there's no way that

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Speaker 1: has happened yet, right. I think let's let a J.

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Speaker 1: Green play the season or Julio Jones and let's see

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Speaker 1: what happened. Hey, it's I'm part of this podcast and

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Speaker 1: I get to say what I want. No, jeez, guys,

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Speaker 1: I thought for the second straight week, Look quick, I

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Speaker 1: liked DeMarco Murray. I this is a guy that last year. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you can't stay healthy, that's an issue, but if he can.

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Speaker 1: They kept abandoning the run game at points last season

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Speaker 1: with the past heavy offense. But Murray, Murray looked really

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Speaker 1: good to me on this game. He looked fast, He

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Speaker 1: was a good decision maker. That's not Romo and Brian

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Speaker 1: and Murray are going to keep this team. They have

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Speaker 1: a good offensive line too. We've talked about how they're

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Speaker 1: going to win games for They're gonna lose games like

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Speaker 1: that too, but this team will score points. I surprisingly

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Speaker 1: was the highest UH around the league writer on the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I put him in the middle of the pack this

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Speaker 1: this season. In my power pol I had him as

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Speaker 1: like a seven and nine type of team. Everyone else

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Speaker 1: basically buried them. I just think when you have a

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Speaker 1: quarterback that good and you're in a lousy division, you

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Speaker 1: got this Bryant, you gotta left tackle. I just gonna

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Speaker 1: Romo will win six or seven games for him. That's

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Speaker 1: the reason why they've won games all these years. If

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Speaker 1: he stays healthy. Yeah, that's fair. And their defense second

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Speaker 1: game in a row now, a lot of concern. Sure,

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Speaker 1: a lot of concern would be UH an understatement. But

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Speaker 1: I agree, by the way, with with Chris. Let's see

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Speaker 1: we we agree on some things, right, Ray, Rice Bernard Pierce.

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Speaker 1: They're looking good. That offensive line was a disaster last year.

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Speaker 1: That could be a huge, huge turnaround if there's if

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Speaker 1: they're running games, suddenly goes from you know, a disaster

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Speaker 1: to a weapon. You know, speaking of disaster, Eli Manning,

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Speaker 1: look at that transition, that just that was smooth. The

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Speaker 1: Giants and the Colts. I watched this game. Eli Manning

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Speaker 1: is averaging three point zero six yards per tempt for

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Speaker 1: the preseason in his new offense. That will hand have

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Speaker 1: him throwing completions. How about how about sevent he's one

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Speaker 1: for seven the last week, two weeks or whatever, two

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Speaker 1: for nine I think or something. I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: crazy he does. He does not look good. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: even look comfortable in the pockets. It's bad news. Are

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00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: we Maybe we didn't consider how difficult it would be

638
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: for Eli Manning to change offenses after being with the

639
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: same coordinator for a decade. Does this offense even suit

640
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: his strengths. He's always been attack down the field type

641
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: of quarterback, and now they've got him doing West Coast principles.

642
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: When you think Eli Manning, you don't think, oh, quick

643
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: decision maker in the pocket. You think I'm gonna wait

644
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: as long as I can and take some chances. So

645
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: it's basically the opposite of what they're doing. They haven't

646
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: at Odell Beckham. But when Tom Coughlin says he's concerned,

647
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes you do struggle in the preseason,

648
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: then you're fine, but sometimes it's just stays being a disaster.

649
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: You could tell he's a little concerned, but you will.

650
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: Even within Arizona, for instance, they talked about and in

651
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Kansas City, two teams where they had new offenses last season,

652
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: and they and a lot of players talked about the

653
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: second half of the year they finally felt at home

654
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: and we saw with the Chiefs specifically that often started

655
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: to light it up towards the end of the year.

656
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: It's a little early to totally right off New York's offense,

657
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: and we're not doing that. But it's just that with Manning,

658
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: if he's an attack the field, down the field quarterback,

659
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a lot of times he was throwing the football to

660
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: the wrong team last year. They wanted they want to

661
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: reduce that. I think that was the emphasis here. Well,

662
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: they're not changing offensive coordinators because everything was going well

663
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: last year. They were changing because Eli Manning was one

664
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: of the least effective quarterbacks in the league, and no

665
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: one really wants to remember this, but it's not a

666
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: quarterback that particularly inspired confidence that he's a better than

667
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: average player. Right now, how about that? Get that? No

668
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: argument from Chris. I feel a healing. Uh, there's a

669
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: there's an aura of togetherness in this room. Now A

670
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: couple of quick take players from the Colts. Looks good.

671
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: He looks good. He had five for fifty three, should

672
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: have had six for eighty nine, but had a thirty

673
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: six yard taunting penalty that raised the ire of coach

674
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: Chuck Peccone. Trent Richardson. I saw him make a defender miss.

675
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: Really yes, on one of his five or six carriers,

676
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: he made a defender miss. Can we have some sort

677
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: of celebration sound? Actually, there's high level executives in entered

678
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: the building. I didn't even notice, but I think they're

679
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: gonna shut down this operation. Uh for Mark Sessler and

680
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Chris Wesley. And it's been nice having a podcast, it's

681
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: been nice having a life. No, I'm kidding. Let's let's

682
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: move on to the Vikings and Cardinals. Castle and Bridgewater

683
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: really was the best of all possible scenarios for Minnesota.

684
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Castle held Serve looks great. And then Bridgewater, I don't

685
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: know it, did his best John Elway impression. Very exciting

686
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: preseason game. That's what that was. It was stadium chanting

687
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: Teddy over. There was a lot of crazy endings, uh

688
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: to to these preseason games this week, Bridgewater being the

689
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: best one. I mean, he's not gonna take first team

690
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: snaps too much this week. Maybe he will in practice,

691
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: but he's not starting the third preseason game. The competition

692
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: looks all but over. But did we see anything different

693
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: out of Bridgewater this time? He certainly looked more poised,

694
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: he looked more under control. Uh, the rush didn't get

695
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: to him. He seemed like he was going through his progressions.

696
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: I thought he looked really good. He looked like what

697
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: we what we expected coming into the league. Yeah, I

698
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: mean I think there's concerned there. You know, there's concern

699
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: over his maybe his his deep ball. But honestly, one

700
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: minute drill, first chance to do that in the NFL,

701
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't have executed it with more poise. And this

702
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: is this is of all the situations where a court

703
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: of veteran guys standing in the way of the rookie,

704
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: I have the least problem with this because I think

705
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Bridgewater probably could use a little bit of time to develop.

706
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: But if he goes out in this next preseason game

707
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: and sets the place on fire again, I'm not sure

708
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: this competition is over. I'm just not it's but it's

709
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: only gonna play the fourth quarter against the second and thirty.

710
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: I feel like it's Well, they said he may see

711
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: you think he will just before if he's If he's

712
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: not doing this against first team defenses, that's a lot different. Well,

713
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: there's not in this situation though. Like I said, I

714
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: don't have such a problem with Castle opening the year.

715
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: He's a good fit for this offense obviously, But they've

716
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: got This is a team that didn't have a quarterback

717
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: for so long. They know and Teddy they've got something.

718
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: It's it's not a lost cause that first game was

719
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: was it was a starting jitter for him. Well, you

720
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: pointed out that north Turner knows how to dial up

721
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: some preseason offenses because Brandon Weeden and every other Brown's

722
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: quarterback look great in the preseason. That's right. It's really

723
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate, although I do give Pro Football Focus

724
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: a little more credit for accuracy now that they have

725
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Matt Castle ranked as the number one quarterback of the

726
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Priest and you are a noted Castle lite. Yeah, I

727
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: think I'm it. The evolutionary Randall Cunningham. According to Gregg,

728
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: I said he was the poor man's update of rand Cunningham,

729
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: A very, very poverished. He's like slightly more athletic than

730
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. Oh, give me a break, Give me a break.

731
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Uh the other first round pick, Anthony bar looked great.

732
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: He's up to one and half sacks in the preseason.

733
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: Looks highly athletic. He's not. He didn't look as good

734
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: as uh my defensive m v P pick for the

735
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: preseason after just two games. Gerald McCoy in Tampa Bay.

736
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: He's just been living in opposing backfield. I don't know

737
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: if Dallas Thomas is gonna keep his job in Miami

738
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: as a guard because Gerald McCoy just destroyed pretty much

739
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: dominated the game while he was in there. Gerald McCoy

740
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: is actually a sneaky pick for Defensive Player of the

741
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: Year season. Don't you think if they had a better

742
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: record last year, he and Lavonte David would have been

743
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: in the discussion. They deserve to be. He feels like

744
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: a guy that he's going to have a Defensive Player

745
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: of the Year award at some point in his career.

746
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: It could happen. And he's kind of reaching that point

747
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: right now where he's at his peak. And he looked great.

748
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: I think this Bucks defense is gonna be really good.

749
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: I didn't take a lot of other big one big takeaway.

750
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm infringing on Check's territory here. The Dolphins uniforms are beautiful,

751
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: the home uniforms and the Bucks uniforms are hideous. But

752
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: he can hardly watch the No one likes change. I

753
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: think he can hardly watch the games are bad. Their

754
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: numbers specifically are outrageous. I feel like I have to

755
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: wake up because my alarm clocks going off. It's uh.

756
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: I want to have a question for Wesley on the

757
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 1: Bucks because we got a little We got to see

758
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more of McCown and glennon because they

759
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: weren't spending the entire game on their back with the

760
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: offensive line. I thought Mike Evans, Mike Evans had a

761
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: nice game. Safari and Jenkins made a nice catch. Vincent

762
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: Jackson had a nice catch. I mean, that's what we

763
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: thought we'd get with mccount. Do you feel as of

764
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: making the leap candidate you picked him? Is that? Do

765
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: you still feel good about McCown this season. I feel

766
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 1: like McCown is who we've thought he was, the same

767
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: player he was with the Bears last year. He just

768
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: needs protection up front, and that's if he of course,

769
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: we don't know how they're scheming and we don't know

770
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: if that's going to change, but that's yeah, I think

771
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: he'll go as far as his offensive line good and

772
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: the protection wasn't that much better in this game. He

773
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: was under pretty good. He they really didn't move the ball.

774
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: The only time they scored with mccount in the game

775
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 1: is when they got the ball at the twenty five

776
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: yard line and they converted on the short field. Yeah.

777
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see, I just if it's Doug

778
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Martin or someone else, catch a lot of passes this year,

779
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: because one thing they shifted in this second game was

780
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: quick passing, get the ball out of the quarterback's hands quick.

781
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: And you saw Martin. Yeah, he had forty nine catches.

782
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: I think it was as a rookie. I think he'll

783
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: top that. You know who else, Uh gonna make some

784
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: catches as a rookie. Ryan says are except they're gonna

785
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: be coming out of the hands of opposing quarterbacks. How

786
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: about that play the other night from your boy Chris,

787
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: he looked I saw rap sheet retweeted one of my

788
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: tweets that he he said he looked like a safety.

789
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: To me, looked like a cheetah or a gazelle. The

790
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: guy can move like once. The last time a linebacker

791
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: moved like that when it was in practice a couple

792
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: back during O t a s when Shazire made a

793
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: similar interception like that, where they started to talk about

794
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: him being used in the Troy Polamalu fashion because he

795
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: does have that safety, that that athletic prowess. It's not

796
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: just a linebackers type body. The guy can The guy

797
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: can move around. One of the Steelers beat writers tweeted

798
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: or opened his blog post by saying it was the

799
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: best UH introduction by a Steelers player that he had

800
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: seen in twenty two years of covering the team, and

801
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: compared his performance to Forest Whittaker's character and UH the

802
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: legendary scene from Fast Times at Ridgemont High where he

803
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: just recks the opposing offense all by himself. I have

804
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: no idea what you're talking about the film A film. Yeah,

805
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: I was born in nine. It's a classic. E J

806
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Manuel also struggled in that game. And I think, really

807
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: the best thing I could say about e J Manuel,

808
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: or maybe the most telling thing I could say about

809
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: e J Manuel, is that Patrick Crowley, our friend down

810
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: in the news room who's a big Bills fan, says

811
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: he woke up during the weekend thinking about how much

812
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: would it cost to trade for Mark Sanchez for the Bills. Well,

813
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: you don't have a first round pick to trade to anyone,

814
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: because you gave that to the Cleveland looks. We we

815
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: killed the Raiders for their approach to the off season.

816
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: The Bills deserve a little bit of guff here too.

817
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: They they said at the combine that they're gonna look

818
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: at all alternatives for the quarterbacks. They could look into

819
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: acquiring several more, and they decided that Thaddeus Lewis was

820
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: a good backup, may not even make the team. Say

821
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: this was your backup plan, and Jeff Toole, who doesn't

822
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: have an NFL arm, is maybe going to be your second.

823
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: If e J Manuel is not the answer, you're in trouble.

824
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, you know who doesn't need a backup plan

825
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis because he's got the hundred million dollar red rifle.

826
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton throwing passes down the field in the preseason.

827
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Some of us call him the thirty six million dollar

828
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: red well, you know, and I think Dalton's one guy

829
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: that the narrative narrative on him feels cooked, like no

830
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: matter what he does, it's like, oh, but it's Andy Dalton.

831
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: He really really did look some of his best football

832
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: came out in the last couple of games. Like he's

833
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: he's preseason is he's united in the preseason and and

834
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: that's right. But if we're gonna talk about the games

835
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: at all, we might as well acknowledge that Dalton has

836
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: looked sharp, has been quick with his decisions. You know,

837
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: there's that group of quarterbacks and there's about eight or

838
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: ten of them that everyone in these preseason games, they're

839
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: coming out with six for six, one yards in a

840
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: touchdown in this preseason. He's been in that group. Andy

841
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: Dalton maybe a candidate for preseason m v P if

842
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: he has a big third way. Well, and because all

843
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: we are going to give out the first time anyone's

844
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: ever done it, we're gonna make history. Give it out

845
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: on the podcast. We're gonna have a post, so send

846
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: your candidates into uh to our twitter. It's a it's

847
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: a death knail considering that weed and't when it would

848
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: have won that last year. The Clowner Levin Prior race

849
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: for Defensive Rookie of the Year is gonna be sterling.

850
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: But I loved Rex Ryan after the game. First of all,

851
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: he made the joke that I just referred to, which

852
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: is that Andy Dalton, you know, looked like a hundred

853
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: million dollar quarterback against against us. Every time he plays

854
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: the Jets, he lights him up. And then I also

855
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: loved they asked him about the cornerbacks on the team

856
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: and Rex basically just refused to answer it and just

857
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: started talking about Calvin Pryor and said and and then

858
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: called out the reporters that said, looks like we got

859
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: that one right. Huh. Basically just wanted to change the

860
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: discussion from all the terrible quarterbacks. Said Calvin Pryor knocked

861
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: two dudes out. One guy he hitting the knee. That's great. Um.

862
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: Another guy, unfortunately went down to a big knee injury

863
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: this weekend was Falcon's left tackle Sam Baker, ruptured Patil

864
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: attendant out for the season. They announced on Monday, Jake

865
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: Matthews is gonna move over to the left side. Does

866
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: this are you when it comes to the Falcons offsen offense?

867
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: I think it could actually help their offensive line. I'm

868
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: not kidding. Jake Matthew Sam Baker was a blow average

869
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: left tackle and they stuck with him because of their

870
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: financial investment in him. They they doubled up though they

871
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: took him in the first round, and people don't realize

872
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: they gave him a big time contract before he was

873
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: a free agent when he was coming off his one

874
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: really good season. Jake Matthews was built as a left

875
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: tackle coming out, and to me should be an upgrade

876
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: immediately on Baker, who was one of the worst, one

877
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: of the worst left tackles in football when he was healthy.

878
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: Ladership you also, though you have to suddenly you've got

879
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: Lamar Houston in there, Lamar Holmes, Lamar Holmes in there

880
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: on the right side. That's that's not a player of

881
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: much applaum. I mean, there's this. He was drafted in

882
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: the third round and this the first chance to start

883
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: was last year. Most people assume third round picks will

884
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: get better in their second season, so we can't write

885
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: him off yet. He and Sam Baker wasn't Joe Thomas.

886
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, but they basically made line play their priority

887
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: this offseason, and they just lost their starting left tackle.

888
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: That was the biggest injury of the offseason. Knock on,

889
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean of the week. Knocking again. It was a

890
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: relatively light week for serious injuries, which I love to see.

891
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: That means the other shoe will draw. Now it's not

892
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: another Falcon who I saw in this game. Devonte Freeman.

893
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm more impressed by him than Bishop Sanky, and he

894
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: was drafted a couple of rounds later. Why aren't the

895
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: Falcons coaching staff more impressed? Though? I don't know, I

896
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: don't want. He seems like a very likable guy. He's

897
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: a great hard knocks character. Put him in with the starters.

898
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Let's see a little. He looks really good as a

899
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: runner in a receiver. I think he lined up out

900
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: why a couple of times in that game? You you

901
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: were getting really excited about your boy Alfred Blue in

902
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: this game. I like Alfred Blue. I mean, he had

903
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: a small body of work, but he had a couple

904
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: of runs in a row where he ran with power,

905
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: He looked a little bit like a better version of

906
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: He looked like Ben Tate when Tate was healthy. I

907
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: was gonna say, he reminds me a little bit of

908
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: Arian Foster. He looks like an It sounds like a cliche,

909
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: but he looks like an NFL running back and the

910
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of a random guy that has really good size

911
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: but great movement. He looked like a power running back.

912
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't. I mean, you were getting crazy about the

913
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: red zone carries that. Yeah, well I like this, Alfred.

914
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: You know that team went out and they dumped two

915
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: running backs last week and brought in some other journeyman.

916
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: But I think he's going to play a role in

917
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: this offense. I can confirm. Mark. I know this is

918
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna hurt you, but Tom Savage exists, and he was

919
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: in the game as the second string quarterback for the Texans.

920
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: He might as well not exist. Yeah. The the box

921
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: score was suggested a phantom like passes, completing four of

922
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: them for eight yards. Oh my gosh, Well, we we're

923
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna have to that's one point one point six and

924
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: that gets us to the new Gabber zone, which is

925
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: under two. That the Gabber zone for New listeners has

926
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: always been a yard's per attempt between five and six. Really,

927
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: anything under six, that's Gabber. He's the worst quarterback statistically

928
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: of the last uh twenty years. He's got a five

929
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: point six yards per at tempt average in the preseason,

930
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: though he's under two. Blame gabb I think, well, he

931
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: moved it up to two. He had two point nine

932
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: in his second game, first game, right, so he might

933
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: be a little over. But yeah, the new Gabbert zone

934
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: savages joining him under. That is why come week one,

935
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernet's backup will be Christian Ponder. Oh who I

936
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: like that prediction. And that brings us to our last

937
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: game of the weekend, Panthers and Chiefs. They played on

938
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Sunday night. Cam Newton's return from ankle surgery. Differing views

939
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: in the newsroom about you know, whether Newton's ankle looked okay? West,

940
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: I know you didn't think he was moving very well.

941
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: I thought he was dragging his foot around, hesitant to

942
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: do anything on that ankle. Really, I thought he didn't

943
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: want to let it go and start scrambling. But that's

944
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: because it's the preseason. I don't think he would have

945
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: done that last year. Either he knows he needs to

946
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: practice in the pocket. He's not going to be running

947
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: all over the place in the preseason. We should have

948
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: a better idea after the next game. But to me,

949
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 1: it looked like it could be an early season issue

950
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: because Cam Newton, without a scrambling ability, is not a

951
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: very good quarterback. He missed throws early. They only had

952
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: one yard in their first three drives, and there were

953
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: some comments, Wow, Cam Newton not not looking good, and

954
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: that's what he always does exactly. And sometimes it's just

955
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: like we have one narrative for a guy. It's like, Okay,

956
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: Cam Newton is now good because he's coming off a

957
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: good season. And I've always been a huge Cam Newton fan.

958
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: But even at his best, he is as streaky as

959
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: any quarterback in the league. All of last season, he

960
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: would have entire quarters or even halves where he couldn't

961
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: hit anything, and then just like that, he turned it around.

962
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: He was very good on third downs and he'd be

963
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: on fire for an entire half, and that's kind of

964
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 1: who Cam Newton is. I was three ft away from

965
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: a sweating Adam Durrets, so I didn't see a second

966
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: of this. But what about all of us are are

967
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: lower on the Chiefs, A little bit down on the

968
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: Chiefs in general. What about their offense? Like, what's what's

969
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: going on with with Alex Smith? With their offensive line?

970
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: Who they lost three starters? Looks like a disaster. Alex Smith,

971
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: they thought played very well delivering throws under pressure. But

972
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: Eric Fisher was tossed around. He was embarrassed. And when

973
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: did the Chiefs start getting really worried about Eric Fisher?

974
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: Because this is the number one overall picking last year's draft,

975
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: and I know it wasn't a good draft, but he

976
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: wasn't just struggling like a rookie last year. He was

977
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: arguably the worst starter in the entire league. Football Outsiders

978
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: has a stat blown blocks, and he led the league

979
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: in blown blocks per snap. Yeah, it's a problem. Their

980
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: offensive line is almost I mean, it's entirely different from

981
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: last year. But I agree with you want Smith. Every

982
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: time I watched him, I come away a little bit

983
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: more impressed. He's a smart quarterback. I feel like he

984
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: stands in the pocket, will he commands the offense. Will

985
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: he's very tough. Uh. Dwayne bow looks lot better this year. Yeah,

986
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: he's moving much better. Uh, Travis Kelsey looks like a weapon.

987
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: I would like to see him start making some places

988
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: with the first team offense instead of the second team offense.

989
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: But that's another candidate for preseason m v P. He's

990
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: got a long touch that in both games. Now, how

991
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: about Aaron Murray first pass in an NFL game. Granted

992
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: it was a preseason game, one for one for a

993
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: forty something yard touchdown downstairs right there, Murray was tabbed

994
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: as the most handsome rookie quarterback downstairs and then by

995
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: Wayne our social media grew I went with Blake Bortles.

996
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: Well with the helmet on, a very handsome guy. This

997
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: is coming from the guy with no hair. Yeah, I

998
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: don't think you can go board o there. I don't.

999
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Murray looks like really off

1000
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: the time. One quick thing on the Panthers. I really

1001
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: like Jonathan Stewart. He only had a few carries, but

1002
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: he looked like two thousand eleven Jonathan Stewart, who was

1003
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: one of the best running backs in the NFL. Yeah.

1004
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: I have said that statement seventeen different times in in

1005
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: the last ten years, that Jonathan Stewart looks great or

1006
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: Jonathan Stewart, if he's fully healthy, has the tools to

1007
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: be a top five NFL and he is a guy

1008
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: that like, we will write forty five articles on him

1009
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: a year, and thirty eight of them will be about

1010
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: like an injury situation that has him on the side

1011
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: of practice. He did look really good. I mean, if

1012
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: he was healthy, it totally changes what they can do

1013
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: because d' angela Williams at this point he's like a

1014
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: souped up Pierre Thomas, and I say that that's not

1015
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: a bad thing. I love Pierre Thomas, but Pierre Thomas

1016
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: on my team than d' angela william I think I

1017
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: would too. Maybe maybe he's not even souped up Pierre Thomas. Well,

1018
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: I mean he can run with power a little better

1019
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: than Pierre Thomas. Pierre Pierre can do it all. Jonathan

1020
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: Stewart still seven years old. Really, that's insane to me

1021
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: going on forty six physically, not from what he showed

1022
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, he looked good, and it's it did

1023
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: make me wonder if we've sold this Panthers team short,

1024
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: because like the Seahawks, uh, they have an unbelievable front

1025
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: seven and unbelievable aggression and they just seemed well coached

1026
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: and even though their secondaries all new players, their secondaries

1027
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: was bad players. Last I've never seen a preseason game

1028
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: with with a pair of starting cornerbacks making that many

1029
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: plays with the line of scrimmage. Now. I don't know

1030
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: if they can cover, but they can they can tackle

1031
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Right, you got kick Lee and

1032
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: Davis is the most fun duo to watch. You've got

1033
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: a lot of good pass rushers. Someone by the name

1034
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: of Wes Horton practically destroyed Alex Smith last night. They

1035
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: just find pass rushers in their pockets. Maybe Ron Rivera

1036
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: is a genius. Well you We opened the show by

1037
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: saying that maybe we've overlooked them as the team of

1038
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: atl but we can't go the same team two years

1039
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: in a row? Can we? Why not? We could? I

1040
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: mean technically we can, but I mean, for real, let's

1041
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: anti climactic. What do you think, Zachariah? As we wrap

1042
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: up the show here, I'm just talking about you guys,

1043
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: talking about Gabbert and all them. I watched them all weekend.

1044
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: He was horrendous. Red Rocket did well, what what do

1045
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: you think of doing the Panthers as the team of

1046
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: a t L back to backseats. Is that clearly not

1047
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 1: listening to that, because that's that's that's a TD trait,

1048
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: and that's that's that's a nod to t D. I

1049
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: like that. I don't think the Panthers gonna make much

1050
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 1: noise this year. I don't. It's not all about predictions,

1051
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 1: although obviously we'd like our team to do well. It's

1052
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 1: more about a team that you know, gets us up

1053
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: in the morning. I mean, if we like talking about NFL,

1054
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, the NFC South and how you guys think

1055
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: the Saints of the team, how could the Panthers be

1056
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: that's mathematically He's made a good point there. It's like

1057
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Speaker 1: Matlock is behind the girls, just shooting holes in our theories.

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Speaker 1: On that note, I think we're all done here. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna be back on Wednesday and Friday this week. Wednesday,

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00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: we're going to cook up something a little special. You'll

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00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: have to wait to find out what it is, and

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll have to wait to wait and for

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00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: us to figure out what it is. But it's gonna

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00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: be special, could be the Fantasy Show, could be a

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Speaker 1: little started a season preview. It's gonna be meaty and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna dig in. That's all I got for you

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Speaker 1: for BRK, Sessler, Chris Westling and Zack behind the glass

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Speaker 1: of Greg Rosenthal will see you win