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Speaker 1: the two thousand nineteen NFL Draft class. We're gonna focus

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Speaker 1: on NC State and Florida today. We're gonna have two

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Speaker 1: guests to break down all of the prospects out of

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Speaker 1: those two respective schools. Plus we're gonna get to your

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Speaker 1: phone calls. We're gonna get to your tweets. I know

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Speaker 1: yesterday Paul and John focused on the changes to some

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Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen. Will still get into that, as well

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Speaker 1: as your thoughts on the Giants game plan with respect

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Speaker 1: to what's still going on in free agency and the

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Speaker 1: upcoming drafts. A lot to tackle over this next hour,

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the conversation on a variety of different fronts,

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Speaker 1: and I know, Paul, before we bring on the NC

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Speaker 1: State guest, you and John talked about the rule changes.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have an portunity to weigh in thus far.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised that the majority of the owners actually

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Speaker 1: agreed to expand three plan. I know it's only been

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Speaker 1: it takes twenty four of the thirty two owners for

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Speaker 1: was obviously very passionate about given what happened in the

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Speaker 1: NFC Championship game, would trigger the majority of the owners

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Speaker 1: to say, you know what, based on what happened in

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Speaker 1: one game, we're now going to see what's going to

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Speaker 1: play out for a year. I'm very interested to see

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Speaker 1: the language of this new rule and what I mean

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Speaker 1: John and I went through a healthy debate on this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I still believe the best way to deal with this

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Speaker 1: and I have actually concurred on that idea. But despite

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Speaker 1: the stickiness, and there's a lot of stickiness in this

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Speaker 1: when you see something so egregious like you did see

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Speaker 1: in that Saints playoff game, it just leaves such a

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Speaker 1: bad taste in everybody's mouth. It's like, really, really, we

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Speaker 1: all know what happened. Everybody knows what happened, and it

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Speaker 1: was wrong, and it just makes you feel really sickened

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Speaker 1: That wasn't the case. Uh, And maybe because quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: We will get back to NFL related subjects right now.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna turn our attention to the two thousand nineteen

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. We're focusing on two schools today. Up first

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Speaker 1: is NC State, as they have a number of intriguing

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Speaker 1: by NC State sideline reporter Tony Haynes. Tony, you got

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadal Paul Totino here on giants dot Com Big

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Speaker 1: Blue kick Off. I've appreciate the time. How's everything? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: get here from you guys. Absolutely. Well, let's start with

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Speaker 1: some of these NC State prospects. And while the Giants

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Speaker 1: there in the draft is Garrett Bradberry. You could argue

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Speaker 1: has also played guard. What have you seen from him?

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Speaker 1: And how high do you think he'll be selected come

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Speaker 1: an interesting story and NC State has a lot of players,

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Speaker 1: in college, and he in high school was a tight end.

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Speaker 1: He was being recruited as a tight end, but they

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Speaker 1: brought him in the NC State and they saw his footwork,

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Speaker 1: You know, I think he definitely becomes an elite prospect

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Speaker 1: seems to me by the way you're glowing about Bradbury,

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Speaker 1: And you know that position, the center position in all

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Speaker 1: it's all about technique and consistent technique and consistency with

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Speaker 1: also comes down to work ethic and Garrett Bradberry, day

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that he's played guard and he's played center.

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Speaker 1: But but I also wrote down one of the keywords

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Speaker 1: run better. But but there is certainly some intriguing tools

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Speaker 1: the remen Con Trophy, which goes to the best center

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Speaker 1: he has a body type that's better suited to play inside.

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Speaker 1: He's probably not his tall, maybe his arms aren't as

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious if let's say the Giants drafted him.

431
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Speaker 1: You mentioned he converted to linebacker. Does he still have

432
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Speaker 1: the skill set in size that you could put him

433
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Speaker 1: as part of the defensive secondary at safety or is

434
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Speaker 1: he now solely converted to a linebacker in your mind?

435
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Speaker 1: I think he's a linebacker now. I think he's from

436
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Speaker 1: his body standpoint in the way he's built up his body.

437
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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're weighing him in now. To

438
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Speaker 1: forty is what I saw, So he's got to be

439
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Speaker 1: a backer. But but but clearly your your description is

440
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Speaker 1: that he can cover guys, so he would not have

441
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Speaker 1: to come off the field and third down exactly. Yeah,

442
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Speaker 1: I mean I can see him being very factive covering

443
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Speaker 1: tight ends and that sort of outside linebacker you're to

444
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: be has to do that a point, Um, But I

445
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Speaker 1: see him being a linebacker now. I don't know if

446
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Speaker 1: there's any way he's going back to being a safety.

447
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Speaker 1: And I don't think he'd be a nickel guy, uh

448
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. I would be a challenge when you're

449
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Speaker 1: going up against, um, some of the inside receivers you

450
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Speaker 1: see there. So um, I'm sure there'll be a spot

451
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Speaker 1: for him, probably outside. And again it really comes down

452
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Speaker 1: to a defense too, right, Um, what does the scheme

453
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Speaker 1: of defense. The personnel group is that you use on

454
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Speaker 1: the defense side of the ball. Uh. He may be

455
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Speaker 1: better suited for UH three or four than a four

456
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Speaker 1: or three, but that you know, it's I'm not a

457
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Speaker 1: position to certainly sitting here and make that call. Well,

458
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Speaker 1: he is NC State sideline reporter Tony Haynes. And Tony,

459
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Speaker 1: the Giants took one of your guys last year and

460
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Speaker 1: b J. Hill. Perhaps we'll be hearing another name being

461
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Speaker 1: brought to the Giants organization the way he turned out

462
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Speaker 1: pretty good. He didn't appreciate the J. Hill as a

463
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Speaker 1: quiet guy as you you you guys probably know that

464
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Speaker 1: he doesn't say much. But all he does is played football.

465
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Speaker 1: And he came to NC State from a small town

466
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Speaker 1: in North Carolina called Oak And the first thing he

467
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Speaker 1: did right away is put on like thirty or forty

468
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Speaker 1: pounds and before you know what, he was playing defensive

469
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Speaker 1: tackle as a freshman. And and he played inside in

470
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Speaker 1: the A C C as a defensive tackle for four

471
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Speaker 1: years in NC State. And that doesn't happen very much.

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Speaker 1: He's a he's an echo player. Thanks to appreciate the

473
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Speaker 1: inside in time. Thanks again, all right, see you guys,

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Speaker 1: you got it. That is Tony Haynes, who covers North

475
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Speaker 1: Carolina State football from the sidelines on the wolf Pack

476
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Speaker 1: Sports Network. We thank him again for weighing in. We're

477
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Speaker 1: gonna shift gears to Florida momentarily, but let's try to

478
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Speaker 1: maybe get to a call or two in between our

479
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Speaker 1: interviews two zero one four or five one three. Joe

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Speaker 1: is in Pennsylvania. Joe, what's happening? Hey, Hi guys? Hi?

481
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: Uh can you hear me? Okay, okay, I'm back on

482
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Everybody there at has a pro day or

483
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Speaker 1: something like that. It seems like they're marveling about him.

484
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: And now if even this guy here he holds this

485
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Speaker 1: finley and I have praise uh the other day that

486
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Speaker 1: Daniel Daniel Jones from Jones he had his uh pro day,

487
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Speaker 1: and I mean he was throwing the ball right on

488
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Speaker 1: the money and he and he said all his strows

489
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: he were gonna have him shoulder high. He turned. They

490
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 1: were right there and he's a smart guy. And you

491
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I see all these guys hasking Murphy,

492
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Speaker 1: even Will Greer, was I seen analysts picking him going

493
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Speaker 1: to the Giants. I don't know how or who use guys,

494
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Speaker 1: have these guys rated or something like that. But I

495
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: just think we're in a great position right where we're

496
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Speaker 1: at that, you know, if we really like one to

497
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Speaker 1: take him, I would hate the UH draft upward firm

498
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: because I think they're all pretty close. Even at Daniel Jones,

499
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: I think he reminds me he could be like the

500
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Speaker 1: Eagles quarterback with his size and speed. So he certainly

501
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Speaker 1: has the protypical size. I don't think any of those guys, Joe,

502
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: to your point, I think they'll all be on the

503
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Speaker 1: board in my opinion, when the Giants pick six and

504
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Speaker 1: some of them, I think you're gonna be on the

505
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Speaker 1: board when the Giants pick seventeen as well. Well, that's

506
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Speaker 1: that's what That's what I'm saying in there. These analysts

507
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: are saying that they're gonna there, that they're they're all

508
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: gonna mostly go in the first round here. So uh Ra,

509
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Speaker 1: Sean Jennings was on this morning and he said, uh,

510
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: you know the X Star old running back. He said

511
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Speaker 1: he want to pick any quarterbacks that he know, build

512
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Speaker 1: up the defense in the offense, and the next year

513
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Speaker 1: make a bid first the adults quarterback Well Russell Wilson.

514
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: That may be a stretch. Let me just say, please

515
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Speaker 1: understand one thing when you're watching these pro days. Pro

516
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: days are designed to make the prospects look as good

517
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Speaker 1: as they possibly can. So take all these wonderful, glowing

518
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: bouquets of flowers with a grain of salt. Okay, it's

519
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: the game tape that is so much more important. I mean,

520
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: remember the pro day when Johnny Manziel was throwing passes

521
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: around an assistant coach who was waving a broom up

522
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: in the air to supposedly similate a pass rush. I mean,

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00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: come on, I I agree, Paul, but somebody bit on

524
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: him Cleveland, didn't they. Well, there are a lot of

525
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: the spot think what's pretty a defensive guys are gonna

526
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: fall up to us, and I think we're in a

527
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: great position. I would like the trade up out of

528
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: there and get some of these cornerbacks now, even in

529
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: that because I think with this new rule change that

530
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: that that's gonna be to have nice, Paul speedy cornerbacks.

531
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: Corners are huge. I don't I don't think the rule

532
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Speaker 1: change has anything to do it for of that. Joe

533
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: and listen appreciate the phone call thanks so much for

534
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: weighing in. I don't think the rule change is now

535
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: going to dictate teams from going after tall corners. You

536
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: need them Today's NFL, Yesterday's NFL, tomorrow's NFL. As far

537
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: as the quarterback go I do think Joe is right.

538
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: I think they'll be on the board. With the exception

539
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Speaker 1: of Murray and Haskins, I think will probably go in

540
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: the top five, and I can see a team moving

541
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 1: up and being aggressive, but all these other guys will

542
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: probably be available. But it simply comes down to what

543
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: the Giants think of them, and not what they think

544
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: of them from their pro day, Paul, what they think

545
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: of them from their entire collegiate career. The Giants and

546
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 1: other NFL teams don't get enamored by guys when they

547
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: throw in T shirts and shorts at their pro day.

548
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: I can tell you that, Okay, they're not wearing their helmets.

549
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: They're working with personnel that they're familiar with. You can

550
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: only read into so much with respect to the pro day,

551
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 1: and I think you have to take that into consideration

552
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: when you evaluate any of these quarterbacks. Two zero five

553
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Speaker 1: one three is the telephone number we'll get back to

554
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: more of your phone calls. In a little bit. We

555
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: all want to remind you Big Blue Kickoff Live presented

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558
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: gears to Florida to discuss their prospects. And we're joined

559
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Speaker 1: by Florida Gators beat writer from the Orlando Sentin Old,

560
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Edgar Thompson, Edgar got Lance Meadow, and Paulatino Here on

561
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: Giants dot Com. Big Blue Kickoff Live. Appreciate the time.

562
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: How's everything today, I'm good. Thanks for having me again.

563
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: I remember last year you guys caught me at the GEM.

564
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: This time i'm a little I'm sitting you're actually writing

565
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: a basketball story. They just wrapped up there did a

566
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: season wrap on, but yesterday we had Pro Day, So

567
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to talk about any Gator prospects you are

568
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: interested them. Well, we need to start off with the

569
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: premier prospect coming off of this roster, and that's Joan Taylor.

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00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: Well quite quite honestly, I would seriously consider if he's

571
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: on the board for the Giants at six, as much

572
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: as as I would like to see them taking edge rusher.

573
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Speaker 1: I think Joan Taylor is that dom in it of

574
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Speaker 1: a tackle that he would be in my conversation at

575
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: that spot. What do you say? I tell you he

576
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: is one of those most incredible transformations of a player.

577
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I've been covering sports for daily newspaper since okay, so

578
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: I haven't known us a while. I can't think of

579
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: a transformation of a guy off the top of my

580
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: head that even matches this guy. He was three pounds

581
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Speaker 1: when the former staff identified him as a prospect. He

582
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: was a three star kids um you know in Coco,

583
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: Florida out on the Space coast and are actually it's

584
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: works for Daytona and he I mean you're thinking, well,

585
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: what do you what's this guy gonna become? As he's

586
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: a total project, right, Well, he lost a bunch of

587
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: weight before he got here, so he would already like

588
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: gotten furious by then and then just shaped himself into

589
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: something quickly and started by his as a true freshman

590
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Speaker 1: even now that was part ofly an indictment of offensive line,

591
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: to be honest, But he was a real powerful kid,

592
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: especially against the run early on, and you could see

593
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: some real potential but maybe not not this, I mean

594
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: not top ten potential, but he has now since slim

595
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: down to three and fourteen. He was out his spring

596
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: practice yesterday. I mean he looks like in street clothes,

597
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: he looks phenomenal and you slimy. They say he's got

598
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: a six pack. I mean we're into fourteen pack. And

599
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: he also is just a big old teddy bear when

600
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: he's talking to you. But then you asked him what he,

601
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, is gonna bring to a team, and he's like,

602
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm just an aggressive player. I'm a nasty aggressive player.

603
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: So he might be nice talking to us, but he

604
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: will flatten you if you get in front of him.

605
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: The one thing that I would say about him and

606
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to improve, is he has to clean

607
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: up some you know, just mental mistakes last year at

608
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: eleven fall starts. So when he declared for the draft,

609
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: that was kind of like really and yeah, and he's good,

610
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: but you know, you've got to be better than that.

611
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: And John Heavisly the offensive line coach here, who's very exacting,

612
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: very demanding guy, and really got that unit playing well.

613
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: That started the year miserably. I mean, the offensive line

614
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: had tons of veteran plush. You're including Taylor and really

615
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: struggled out of the gate and got blown off the

616
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: ball against Kentucky and just didn't look good. But by

617
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: the end of the year it was a pretty solid unit.

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Speaker 1: And Taylor, you know, I think that heavissly thought he

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Speaker 1: could use another year, which of course he probably could,

620
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Speaker 1: but I mean, how are you going to turn down

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Speaker 1: top ten money? And he's really played himself into a

622
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: wonderful position and he's a good kid, so you just

623
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: hope the best for him. I don't know the Giants

624
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: needs well enough to say, but he can set the

625
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: edge in the right side in the run game, and

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00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: with with Barkley back there, that's not a bad thing

627
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Speaker 1: to have. Let me just ask you about the wait

628
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: thing for or second Edgar, because you're talking about a

629
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Speaker 1: dramatic fluctuation there in numbers. Is this something that he's

630
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: going to have trouble maintaining as he turns pro because,

631
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: as you know, the discipline required in the NFL. When

632
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: the the strength and conditioning coach says this is your

633
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: prescribed weight for us, you better make sure you keep

634
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Speaker 1: it there. And if there if that starts to vary

635
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, it becomes an issue. Not only with

636
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, but it also becomes an issue on

637
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: the field because teams will notice you're carrying a little

638
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: extra baggage and they'll take advantage of you with a

639
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: speed rush. It's a great question, but I think in

640
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: this case, it's not a concern. And I say this

641
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: because he was playing at three twenty something this past season.

642
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I think even, um, three thirty even even listed, I

643
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: thought it like three thirty something. I don't have it

644
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: in front of me, but he uh, um, you know,

645
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: I actually I do have the media guy, and I'm

646
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: cre curious if you guys do to indulge me for

647
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: a secure I'm curious what he was listed at entering

648
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: the season. I was shocked when he said three fourteen

649
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: yesterday when I asked him, I'm like, really just three fourteen?

650
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: What did when did this happen? He? Uh, he's lifted

651
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: three four he come into this year. So this strength

652
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: and conditioning program here under Nick's savage has been a

653
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: revelation for this program. Uh, it's really reshaped the minds

654
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: and bodies these this kid, these kids and pointed him

655
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: in the right direction, said Dan Mullen. With his play

656
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: calling act and then and Todd grant them with all

657
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: the multiple defensive schemes and everything he throwze that you

658
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: can't really now have some guys to work with. So

659
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: the strength program has been wonderful here because it was

660
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: really underperforming under Jim mcawaen, And he's one of the

661
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: big big sticking points with the administration with mcgwen was

662
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: was the fact that players just weren't developing physically, and

663
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: we're getting pushed around by anytime they played a good

664
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: team like Michigan or Florida State for Alabama, we're getting

665
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: knocked all over the field. Um. But yeah, I mean Taylor,

666
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be an issue. He seems

667
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: to be a very dedicated kid who has worked his

668
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: tail off, and I mean all he talked about yesterday

669
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: is his quotes were honestly really getting repetitive early on

670
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: about just gonna work hard and just keep doing what

671
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm doing. And you talk to his teammates and they

672
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: just say, the kid is just you know, not an

673
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: issue at all, no off field issues, just a hard working,

674
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: focused kid. And you know, the light went on for him,

675
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna stay on. Langar, you mentioned

676
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: his ability to set off the edge and established the run,

677
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: and what he could do with s Kwan Barkley with

678
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: the Giants. But as you will know, when it comes

679
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: to the National Football League, whether you play right tackle

680
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: or left tackle, you're probably gonna be tested by the

681
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: elite pass rushers because teams have so much volume they

682
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: move guys around side to side. How did Taylor fair

683
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: in your mind against some of the elite pass rushers

684
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: given the fact that Florida plays in the SEC and

685
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 1: his did pretty much on a weekly basis, I don't

686
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: think he was exposed big time in passing situations. But

687
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, the line gave up only eight team backs

688
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: last year was pretty good considering that. You know, his

689
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: freshman year line gave up forty five I think, which

690
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: was like last in the nation. So um, he they

691
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: definitely improved against the past, and I don't think he

692
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: had many rough games. But he wasn't going into the

693
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: top pass rusher as the right tackle always, but he

694
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: was going against good players in the SEC pretty much

695
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: every week. I think that. I mean, look, he's gonna

696
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: have to develop. All these guys do for the most part,

697
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: no one comes in especially at that position and you

698
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: hear it all the time that you can take a

699
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: six or eight year veteran in the NFL who's not

700
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: even a guy anybody's even ever heard of except the

701
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: really hardcore fans, and he can school the top defensive

702
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: lineman coming in just because of the technique and the

703
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: fact he's a grown man. I mean, you know what

704
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean, He's been through the Wars and the NFL, so,

705
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Taylor's got a lot to learn, but he's

706
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: a He's a guy who can be molded, in my opinion,

707
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: based on his attitude, based on his measurables, because he

708
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: is He's a strong, powerful kid, and his mentality is

709
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: he said, he's an aggressive, nasty player, and that's what

710
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: you're looking for, and that's what you're gonna need to

711
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: survive at that level. The other premier prospect that everybody

712
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: talks about as being a potential top ten out of

713
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: that program is Polite the edge rusher, who I'm going

714
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: to tell you something, Edgar. When we were at the combine,

715
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, going in, a lot of folks were really

716
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: really high on him, and then all of a sudden,

717
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: the er Connie came out of the balloon sum for

718
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people. So if you can give

719
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 1: us some positive and negatives now after the pro day

720
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: As to what you're hearing about him, well, I'll tell

721
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: you my lead to my story, which is what I

722
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: wrote about was Polite was he did nothing to wash

723
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: away in ethics, fail at the scout and combine. Yes

724
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: that it was was not a good performance again and

725
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: and it's really baffling, Um, you know case here to me,

726
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: the guy was unblockable last year at times, and he

727
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: is so quick, has such amazing bend coming around the edge.

728
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: I mean back in the days when lt Man, who

729
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: was just on another planet and anyone, I mean that

730
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: guy could come off the edge and literally it would

731
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: be like two feet off the ground. He could get

732
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: such incredible leverage and maintain speed and Freeny guys like

733
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: this we're talking, which is amazing bend. Polite is literally

734
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: I sound crazy putting him the same as LT and

735
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: Freeny and I am a little crazy there, but he

736
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: has literally got that sort of bend. I mean he

737
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: can get low and I mean that's his only move

738
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: though me can't do. He doesn't have a whole lot

739
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: of other moves in his repertoire and we'll need to

740
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: develop those. But that alone is elite. I mean he

741
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: is super elite at that. So then he goes off.

742
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: He's about two forty two last year six three, goes

743
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: off to the combine, weighs in at two fifty eight,

744
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: and it's like, hold on, what happened? Well, he thought, okay,

745
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: I gotta get I don't know who was advising him,

746
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: whether it was a strength coach out in Daytona wherever

747
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: he was working, an uncle. He talked about his uncle

748
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: quite a bit, his agents, who I don't even know

749
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: who that is. And it's probably better because i'd be,

750
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: you know, calling the guy out basically. And I don't

751
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: know whether it was this deal or whoever gave him

752
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: the advice that you need to get bigger and for

753
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: the for the NFL because everyone's bigger and faster and stronger.

754
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Screwed up because the kid put on sixteen bad pounds.

755
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where he did it, by just eating

756
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: too much and not lifting enough. I don't know, but

757
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 1: he looked sloppy. Um, he's down to two fifty four now,

758
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: but he heard his hamstring because he adds a bunch

759
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: of weight and then he's trying to work on his

760
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: forty and boom hamstring injury ten days for the combine,

761
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: comes in, pulls up wame after a four eight four,

762
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: which was slow. I mean four eight four for a

763
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: guy with that kind of speed um coming off the

764
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: edge was very disappointing. His vertical is like thirty two,

765
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: which isn't embarrassing, but it's not like super explosive. It's

766
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: still pretty great, but I mean you would you would

767
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: think he'd run like four six five and thirty eight

768
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: vertical the way that guy played last year, and he

769
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: had eleven sacks lush year and seventy tackles for loss.

770
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: He was threatening the sack record of Alex Brown at

771
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: one point at the school. So it was very disappointing combine.

772
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: In fact, for the whim you know, the USA today

773
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: um thing they do, they called it an all time

774
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: worst combine ever, which I mean, who knows. I mean,

775
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: everything that happened today is like the greatest or worst

776
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: thing ever. I don't know what Randall Brown would say

777
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: about that combine. Yeah, I mean that much is clear.

778
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: So he comes in yesterday and runs a four nine

779
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: six and pulls up again. And done running. Yeah, so

780
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: he really has a lot of questions to answer in

781
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: terms of his you know, burst explosive us and stuff.

782
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: But I think film will answer those concerns. And a

783
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: player and a coach and a GM and scouts or

784
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: whatever who have seen him and watched the film are

785
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: gonna say, look, we just need to get the kid

786
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: healthy and in shape, and we can work with that.

787
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: The big thing I think a lot of guys left

788
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: to Combine really concerned about was his thin skin, his attitudes,

789
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: because they grilled him, and he afterwards was complaining the media,

790
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: even saying he felt like, you know, the packers, for example,

791
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: we're bashing me quote end quote. Um yesterday he said, hey,

792
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: look I wasn't prepared mentally for that. I didn't know

793
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: what was coming at me. He goes, I'm a guy

794
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: who's not about short answers, and he's I like to

795
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: explain myself and talk. And I felt he just thought

796
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: he was back into a corner and he wasn't, you know,

797
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: ready for the criticism, and they were showing him bad plays,

798
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: not good plays, and he just wasn't mature enough to

799
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: handle it. The kid turns twenty one years old. Today.

800
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: In fact, so he's a young guy, and you know what,

801
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: you know what, you know what. That's what bothers me

802
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: about that, because everybody knows going into the combine. Anybody

803
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: who's got an agent or an advisor, they understand did

804
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: you get schooled in combined drills on not only physically

805
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: what to do, but how to handle those interviews? And

806
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: if he really is telling you, honestly that I wasn't

807
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: prepared for those kinds of things and they caught me

808
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: off guard, that's a very scary scenario for me because

809
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: it means he had no foresight what whatsoever and how

810
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: to prepare. Yeah, well, you know, I don't know who

811
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: to blame there. And in fact, the Associated Press writer

812
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: Mark Long, who's been around for years and does a

813
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: great job on NFL with the Jags and the Gators

814
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: among other things. Um, he asked Dan Mullins straight up,

815
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 1: whose responsibility is them? Some ways He's kind of put

816
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: it Mark a little bit on the school. It's like

817
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, open a vein for you, get

818
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: you a six million dollar paycheck. In Dan's case, So

819
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: I love Dan. I'm not ripping Dan. I'm just saying

820
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean these are realities, A million dollar a d here,

821
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, eighty five in the stands. I mean, this

822
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: is a big time athletic program making a lot of

823
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: money off these kids. And where's it. Where's the guidance

824
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: when when they make this decision, where's the advice making

825
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: sure that they take it the next step? And then

826
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: you're helping them. I mean you're here to grow men

827
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: and develop them, and they always talk about well, you know,

828
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: you need to stay on top of it and with

829
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: them and help them see see them through this process.

830
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: In my opinion, on some level two. But he you know,

831
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: it was like I said, it was an epic fail

832
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: at the combine yesterday. He didn't do himself any favors

833
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: in terms of the physical stuff. But he did afterwards,

834
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: in my opinion, probably make some inroads in terms of

835
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: his realization of of what he didn't do right in

836
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: terms of the interviews. And he's heading out now when

837
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: the team visits an interview trail which will be exhaustive

838
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: and exhausting, as I put in my story for these guys,

839
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: and he's got to do better there. And I think

840
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: someone's gonna take a chance on him because I think

841
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: he's just too talented to ignore. I mean, he can

842
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: really get out to the pass or well, and especially

843
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: with multiple teams needing pass rushers to your point, so

844
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: somebody certainly is going to take advantage. As we're talking

845
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: with Florida Gator's beat writer from the Orlando Sentinel, Edgar

846
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: Thompson staying on the defensive side of the ball, Edgar

847
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: at the safety position, Chauncey Gardner Johnson and from what

848
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: I've read, from what I've seen, there's a lot of

849
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: people that think he's got such great versatility that if

850
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: you want to bring him down on the box, he

851
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: can excel. If you want to have him be center fielder,

852
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: he can excel. What have you seen out of him?

853
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: And where do you think his skill set best translates

854
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: on the NFL level? I tell you, man, he's a

855
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: terrific talent. Uh. He It's interesting. He is a little

856
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: difficult to deal with. I actually finally warmed up to

857
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: john Cy this season. He's always kind of thoroughly He's

858
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: always a little combative. Um. This kind of his nature.

859
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: He reminds me of a prize fighter, a little bit

860
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: talk big, has its chip on his shoulder. Um, you know,

861
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: he's kind of that kind of a personality. Well, yesterday

862
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: all the guys, including Polite, we were shocked at Polite

863
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: spoke to us yesterday. We were thinking, man, this kid

864
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: would not be be smart to speak to us, and

865
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: said I think he really helped his case. Um. But

866
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Chauncey afterwards was asked if he wants to speak to us.

867
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: He told THEE the PR guy, are they gonna pay

868
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: me and you? And he said, well, if they're not

869
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: paying me, these teams are so I don't I mean

870
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: to say to them. I mean it's kind of like,

871
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: what are you kidding me? I mean, So, anyway, I

872
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have to grow up in terms of

873
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: that attitude because in an NFL locker room, especially, Let's

874
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: say he gets drafted a media market like New York

875
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: or Philly or Chicago or one of these hard hitting

876
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: report and he got an easy ride here from us. Uh,

877
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: these other these reporters aren't gonna put up with that,

878
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: and especially if you didn't play well. So here's my

879
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: thing on him as a player though, I mean, personality wise,

880
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: he's got some work to do. But as a player,

881
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: he gives you a lot of options. He is blindingly fast.

882
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: He's a former sprint champion in the state of Florida.

883
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. I mean, it's the

884
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: best speed in the in the countries here and he

885
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: won the two state finals. So he's a blazer. And

886
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: he's physically um imposing. He's strong. Uh. He was a

887
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: terrible tackler early in a sophomore year, to the point

888
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: where he was criticized on Twitter and getting ripped constantly,

889
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: and it was asked about it all the time, and

890
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: he took that as an affront, which was a good

891
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: way to take it in his case and turn it

892
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: into a strength of his game. He's terrific out in

893
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: the flat. I mean he will you throw those little

894
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: passes out into the flats like he like to do

895
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,240
Speaker 1: to Barkley and those guys. Now, I'm not Sam Barkley

896
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: and gonna make a move and get away, but most

897
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: guys aren't. He's a very good tackler out there, makes plays,

898
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: and he's great in the nickel in my opinion, which

899
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: really need a good one in the NFL anymore. But

900
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: I think free safety he could be really special and

901
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: free safety now that he's improved his tackling because he

902
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: can place center field and hast and after the catch,

903
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: he's really good. Uh, he can run it back. He

904
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: ran one back in the sits, in the uh spost

905
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: Outback Bowl as a freshman, and in the Peach Bowl

906
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: as a junior against Michigan he had interceptions to touchdown.

907
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: So he's uh. I think he's a real good player,

908
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 1: and he's certainly a top fifty pick and might sneak

909
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: his way into the first round. He made the right

910
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: decision to leave. I think of the three, Polite probably

911
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: could have come back. I think he might have really

912
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: benefited from another year. And he just turned twenty one today.

913
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 1: It's not like he's in a rush to get out.

914
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: Chauncey Gardner just had a baby last week or his

915
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: girl friend did. I mean, it makes it makes sense.

916
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: Fore Jwan Taylor's a top send pick. That makes sense.

917
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: But Polite, it's like another year for him might have

918
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: been the best thing he ever did. All I got

919
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: one more guy defense who maybe one of the more

920
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: puzzling guys in the in the draft because tremendous athleticism, speed,

921
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: blitz skills, coverage skills. But Joseph Who's gonna be probably

922
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: a weak side linebacker in the NFL. Also showed a

923
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of inconsistency. Where do you stand on him? Well,

924
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: I would, I would not to correct you, Um, I

925
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't put coverage skills high up on his list. Don't

926
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: think so? Okay? I mean like Nada from Georgia, who

927
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: is a very top tight end. It's abused him and

928
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: that guy abused him and he got beaten in the

929
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: South Carolina game. I believe it was where it was

930
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: like he was took the guy in the flat when

931
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: he was supposed to be covering the tight end to

932
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: where David reised. The middle linebacker will be back for

933
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: his fourth year and as a really heavy player, but

934
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: certainly does not have Joe's seth selectibility. Stacy walked up

935
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 1: and just like ripped him a new one on the field. Basically,

936
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You know? So he meant his mentality,

937
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: whether getting his nose in the playbook, finding a mentor um,

938
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I don't know what he needs to do,

939
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: but he needs to not freelance as much and play

940
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: within the scheme more. He reminds me a lot of

941
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Channing Crowder who I covered back years ago, who I

942
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: thought was headed for an all Pro career. He was

943
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: so good in college, and then he got to the

944
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: Dolphins and I covered him there for several years it

945
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: turned out, and I love Channing, great guy, But then

946
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: he was a freelancer and he was a lot bigger

947
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: and even faster than Joseph. Maybe had a solid career,

948
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: but didn never really was an impact player I thought

949
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: he would be. But Joseph, you know, he's got some

950
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: upside and the NFL seems to like these smaller linebackers

951
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: now run and he he fits that prototype. But it's

952
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: been above the shoulders with him because he's a concussive hitter.

953
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: He's a pretty short tackler, and uh, he does have

954
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: some instincts, but you know, I think he relies on

955
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,959
Speaker 1: just He's always looking to make the play and play

956
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: in this game, play your role, and things are gonna

957
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: go a lot better. But his coverage skills have a

958
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: lot of work to do. And I'm sure teams that

959
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 1: base them are gonna see that on film based on

960
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: four the season last year. And that's why we ask

961
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: you you see him a lot more than we do. Absolutely,

962
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: Edgar just real quickly before we let you go. They

963
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: do have two other offensive lineman. I know we spent

964
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time on Juwan Taylor. But as far

965
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: as Fred Johnson and Martes i VA concerned, do you

966
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: see any upside that if a team wants to provide

967
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: some depth on the offensive line, that they would be

968
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: worth taking throughout the NFL Draft? Yeah? I think Martes.

969
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a number one rated offensive line

970
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: recruiting a country in two thousand and fifteen. He's from

971
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: our area and the pop GA I live in games though,

972
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: but he's in the Orlando area and he was he

973
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: was a big time guy coming out. And he's got

974
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: long arms. Um, he's you know, played a lot of football. Um,

975
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: he played through injuries, which is key at the NFL level.

976
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: He played guard for two years, played tackle for too,

977
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: showed some has some versatility. I think he's an NFL player.

978
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: I think someone can work with him and he's gotten

979
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: in very good shape. Um. You know, he heed's a

980
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: smart kid. I think he's a good talker and and

981
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: a smart kids. So I think March says Ivy definitely

982
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: has a spot in the NFL. Fred Johnson, I'm not

983
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: so sure. I called Joan Taylor a big teddy bear.

984
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: Fred is even a bigger one. He's a night kid.

985
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: He is a pleasant young man, and he's worked hard

986
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: on his body. He was walking around with his shirt

987
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: off yesterday, and I'm like, Fred Taylor actually looks really good.

988
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't think a flabby offensive line. He

989
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: didn't look flabby. So he's a big boy with like

990
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: a lot of physical um measurables, you know, six five

991
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: three twenty something. But he made a lot of mistakes.

992
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: Um I don't know what it is, but he just

993
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't know whether he's got it or not. I mean,

994
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: he whether he's coachable or not. I just don't know.

995
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: But he's played a lot of football two and I

996
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: think he's gonna end up in a training camp and

997
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 1: might be a late pick. He'll get it, He'll get

998
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: in a training camp and and then I'll go from there.

999
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, right situation and my work out for him.

1000
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: He is Edgar Thompson, who covers the Florida Gators for

1001
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: the Orlando Sentinel. Edgar, always a pleasure speaking with you.

1002
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time and insight to appreciate it. Yeah,

1003
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Guys, you got it absolutely. That

1004
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: is Edgar Thompson once again weighing in here on Giants

1005
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: dot Com, Big Blue Kickoff Live. We're gonna use the

1006
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: remainder of the program to try to get to a

1007
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: few more phone calls. I know some of you have

1008
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: been holding for quite some time. We appreciate your patients.

1009
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. Tony is in d C. Tony,

1010
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: welcome aboard. What do you got for us? Hey, guys,

1011
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: let's just taking my call as well. So I'm getting

1012
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: the feeling down in d C. You guys are just

1013
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: tearing my boy Dave. Get him in apart up there

1014
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: in New York. I mean to me, his plan is

1015
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: so easy to identify. All I would say is just

1016
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: to wrap it up. New York Giants will be one

1017
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: of the youngest richest in terms of cap space, and

1018
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: we'll have gone through three Dave Ghettoman drafts. We'll well,

1019
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see, man. I mean, it's obvious.

1020
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 1: I love Odell, I love landing, but we were just

1021
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: not ready to pay receivers and safety is llon dollars.

1022
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: That's just not where we are right now. You'll have

1023
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: Clowney on the market, the Marcus Lawrence on the market,

1024
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: Von Miller on the market. I'm telling you that the

1025
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: plan to me is obvious. So I'm it's only to

1026
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: my two questions for you to kind of get you

1027
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: guys more involved in I want to hear your opinion.

1028
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: I know we're looking at pass rushers this draft, and

1029
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: I know we need to build up the defense overall.

1030
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: But in my humble opinion, and I want your opinion

1031
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: on this, this past rusher thing is starting it once

1032
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: again get a little overblown and overrated, and I think

1033
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: we need to focus more on this offensive line and

1034
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: make sure that is one solid for anything else. And

1035
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: I say that for this reason. If you look at

1036
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: the top ten, even top top fifteen quarterbacks in terms

1037
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: of stats last year, ELI was right there with them.

1038
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: If you look at ELI stats compared to Tom Brady

1039
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: in terms of complete your percentage, touchdown and UM yards,

1040
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: he's right there with the guy who won the Super

1041
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Bowl this year. Do you know where they drastically depart

1042
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: sax Brady has one Eli has forty seven. That's offensive

1043
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 1: line because um, because Eli gets rid of the ball

1044
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: just this fast. It's not faster than Tom Brady. I mean,

1045
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: and I know past rushers are important, but the way

1046
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: that this league is going, it's about your quarterback and

1047
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: you're all offensive line. So unless you're telling me Nick

1048
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: bo Sai at six or quinnin winning Quinton or Josh

1049
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: Allen dead and white, maybe maybe it's the line. Because

1050
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 1: when you look at the top past rushers from last year,

1051
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: the twenty with double digit the ones that made the

1052
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: playoffs have the quarterback in the offensive line, and the

1053
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: ones that didn't have the quarterback in the offensive line

1054
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: missed it. They were along for the ride, just like

1055
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: every other player on that team, despite multiple sects. Tony,

1056
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it simple for you. The Giants have

1057
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: three picks in the first thirty seven. Okay, two first

1058
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: rounders and one of the second round. As it stands today,

1059
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: I am all in on taking two defensive starters and

1060
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: one right tackle with those three picks. I'm not so

1061
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: much concerned about the order on which they're taking because

1062
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: I believe from being at the combine and already the

1063
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: work I've done on twenty different offensive tackles in terms

1064
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: of their tape, there will be a plug in play

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00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: quality right tackle available at number thirty seven. If you

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00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: want to go to defensive players in the first round

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00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: and take the right tackle at thirty seven, I have

1068
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: no problem with that because need and value will meet.

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00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: So I'm good. I'm good with what you're talking about.

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00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: I I have no issues with what you said. Well,

1071
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: and you can't, though, dismiss the importance of the past rushing.

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00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the Giants had thirty sacks last season that

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00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: was second to last in the NFL. And I just said,

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: take two defensive players in the first drop. But but

1075
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: having said that, I also told our Florida guy that

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00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: I would consider Joan Taylor at six. I could take

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00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle there and then take two defensive guys

1078
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 1: with the next two picks. I'm okay with that. Listen.

1079
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: It all goes back to how the Giants are value

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00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: of these players. I'm just saying the point that the

1081
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: caller made about how if you look at the teams

1082
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 1: that had deep postseason runs, the Rams, though, I would say,

1083
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: had strength on the defensive line and the offensive line.

1084
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: So you can't just say, well, if we put all

1085
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: our assets in the offensive line, we're just gonna be

1086
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: fine on defense. You still need to have balance, and

1087
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: the Giants are in need of pass rushers right now.

1088
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: They had thirty sacks last year and Olivia Vernon arguably

1089
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: the best pass rushers no longer on the team. I

1090
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: still don't know what I still don't know what point

1091
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to make, because yeah, but but but if look, Tony,

1092
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: let me correct me if I'm it or wrong. The

1093
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: plant I just gave you in the first three picks,

1094
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: is that not acceptable to you in one way, shape

1095
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: or form. That is exactly what I'm saying. We got

1096
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: to get a right tackle well to pick up six. Yeah,

1097
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: but my point is, though, if you feel that the

1098
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: defensive lineman available at six is much more elite than

1099
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: the right tackle, you can argue there may be a

1100
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: need for right tackle, but it's smarter to go after

1101
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: the pass rusher. So take the right tackle att seven.

1102
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: Taylor may not be there, okay, but that's he's not

1103
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: gonna be there. But you might get Reiser at seven.

1104
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: You might get doing I wasn't disagreeing with that, okay,

1105
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: saying is what I'm what I'm countering is just dismissing

1106
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 1: the necessity of pass rush in today's NFL. Because great

1107
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: offensive lines take you first. I don't think. I don't

1108
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: think he interpreting what Tony said that they could get

1109
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 1: away with not having an elite defensive He said he

1110
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: was on board with my plan, which means two defensive

1111
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: guys in the first. That's what I'm saying is there

1112
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: are teams that made the playoffs this year that had

1113
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: good defensive lines as questionable as the Chiefs were on defense.

1114
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: The Chiefs, though, we're tied with the Steelers for number

1115
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: one in saxes, so they still had a really good

1116
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: pass up to make up for what they were lacking

1117
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: in the secondary, no doubt. Need to be able to

1118
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: get to the court door. No. Now, don't get me wrong.

1119
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: The the pass rush is big and I hate using

1120
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: this the Patriot. There's such a cop out whenever. I know,

1121
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: I know, but we but we all know. If you

1122
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: get rid of that ball fast and you've got a

1123
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: competent offensive line, that pass rush is neutralized. It's just

1124
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: it's what it is. You can you can pare. You

1125
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: can neutralize a pass rush with this with this quick.

1126
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: All sense that's being run now is all the rules

1127
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 1: are being focused on the So don't even know. I'm

1128
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: not trying to underestimate the defense because of course defensive line,

1129
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: no debate out of here, but you need to be

1130
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: able to stop the run. To remember, it's not the offense.

1131
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing, it's not just the pass rush, Tony,

1132
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: it's also the ability to stop the run and the

1133
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: defensive lineman that you bring in who you get to

1134
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback and stop the run are just as critical.

1135
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: So I'm not just looking at it getting to the quarterback.

1136
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm also looking at guys in route to getting to

1137
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: the quarterback can stop the run. And New England was

1138
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: not great in terms of sack numbers last season. They

1139
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: were actually right around where the Giants were. But New

1140
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: England also had a really good secondary, so yes, you're right,

1141
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get rid of the football quickly. But they had

1142
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: good cover guys. Stefan Gilmour had a really good season.

1143
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: Mccordy at the safety position a solid player, So what

1144
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: they were lacking in the front seven, they were able

1145
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: to at least make up in the second there. If

1146
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: you have issues across the board, where are you making

1147
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: up for these voids? You know what, Tony, If they

1148
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: if they get too defensive starters caliber starters in the

1149
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: first round, and then at thirty seven they get Riisner,

1150
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: who would be basically this year's version of Will Hernandez,

1151
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: but as a right tackle. I'm sure you'd be very

1152
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: happy with that. Oh yeah, and I know and I

1153
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: know gett like, I am not worried. All I'm saying

1154
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: is that I see the plan. We're getting younger and cheaper.

1155
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: Now O b J and Collins were young, but they

1156
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: weren't cheap. We gotta get both younger and cheaper. Because

1157
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm tired of calling up with all these suggestions for

1158
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: players and always here in the same response with what

1159
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: money there is a salary cap that day is over.

1160
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: Get him. It's like, okay, enough for that, Yeah right,

1161
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: that's what he's also trying to it, Tony. Appreciate the

1162
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: phone call. I mean they're taking a step further. He's

1163
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: trying to build the team through the draft, which I

1164
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: think is relatively clear by gaining all of these assets.

1165
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: And just because you have the money doesn't mean that

1166
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: you then go out next offseason. To the caller's point

1167
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: about going after von Miller, Jadeveon Cloudy and Clowney was

1168
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: given the franchise Tex so we don't even know if

1169
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be available, by the way, so all

1170
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: of that has to be taken into consideration. But you

1171
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: could build the team through the draft. Indianapolis Colts, to me,

1172
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: are the best example of Chris Ballard. Their general manager,

1173
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: has invested in draft picks. He brought in two offensive

1174
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: linemen in the draft last year. He brought in Darius Leonard,

1175
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: and he's not necessarily going out on the spendings. For

1176
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: even if you look at what the Colts did this offseason,

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01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,479
Speaker 1: they had a lot of money. They weren't throwing money

1178
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: at the wall. Yeah, I mean they went out. I

1179
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: know they brought in Devin Funches, but it wasn't as

1180
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: if they were throwing money around and saying, hey, we've

1181
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: got a round out the rest of the roster with money.

1182
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: Money is just good to have when you need to

1183
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: resign your draft picks, give players extensions, invest in the

1184
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: players that you utilize the draft picks to keep the

1185
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: court together. That's why it's important to have cap space

1186
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: so you don't have to let these guys walk after

1187
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: a year or two. But you have so many other

1188
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: voids that you clearly can't have all this cap Money

1189
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: locked up with one or two players, and that to

1190
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: me is I think what Dave Gentleman is trying to do.

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