Speaker 1: Amy Robot and TJ. Holmes present Aubry o Day Covering
Speaker 1: the Ditty Trial. Is based on transcripts, sources, and reporting
Speaker 1: from the courtroom.
Speaker 2: As is obvious, Aubrey Oday is not present in the
Speaker 2: courtroom during the proceedings.
Speaker 3: Amy and TJ presents.
Speaker 1: Aubrey O'Day Covering the Ditty Trial.
Speaker 3: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ Presents
Speaker 3: Aubrey O'Day Covering the Ditty Trial. Yes, we are talking
Speaker 3: all things Sean ditty Combs while he is on trial
Speaker 3: here in Manhattan, facing five federal accounts and facing life
Speaker 3: in prison. And we've been speaking with Aubrey because of
Speaker 3: course she is well. She was one of his proteges
Speaker 3: in her band Danity Kine. She knows him well. She
Speaker 3: certainly has been offering her perspective. But with us today,
Speaker 3: first of all, we have well, he's known as Q.
Speaker 3: His actual name is kwan El Moseley. He's an American singer.
Speaker 3: You may remember him from the band Day twenty six,
Speaker 3: also with making the band. So he and Aubrey go
Speaker 3: way back. Thank you all. How are you all doing this?
Speaker 3: This is some heavy stuff you're having to relive A Lione,
Speaker 3: lot of trauma. How are each of you doing all?
Speaker 3: We will start with you.
Speaker 4: Oh, I just had inter deduction alone. Just gave me
Speaker 4: like stomach slips. You feel that, yeah, yeah, yeah, heavy?
Speaker 4: Right now.
Speaker 5: It was a hell of a week. We've been talking
Speaker 5: to you for several days here, we're hanging out with
Speaker 5: you here in New York. But Q, this is the
Speaker 5: first time we've gotten a chance to talk to you
Speaker 5: and get a reaction. What is your first reaction after
Speaker 5: the first week of full testimonies in the books?
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, in my opinion, I think this case is
Speaker 1: is it's very disgusting to see and to hear the
Speaker 1: things that went on in a relationship between Cassie and Diddy,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm overwhelmed, Like I try to
Speaker 1: avoid it watching it on TV, but I click on
Speaker 1: the media and it's right right there.
Speaker 4: Why are you overwhelmed? Well, did you know those things
Speaker 4: were happening?
Speaker 1: Honestly, yes, I did know those things were happening, as
Speaker 1: not the freak offs, but as far as like the
Speaker 1: abuse part. You know, I did hear about it, and
Speaker 1: I was around certain certain times when they were arguing
Speaker 1: on the phone and stuff. Yeah, I was very, very overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: like I don't want to see no more of this. Q.
Speaker 3: How would you describe your relationship with Diddy?
Speaker 1: With Diddy okay, well, I called Diddy mister mogul. My
Speaker 1: relationship with him, I would say as a boss. I
Speaker 1: feel like he respected me being in day twenty six.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, honestly, Aubrey, he didn't respect the
Speaker 1: fact that I was dating one of his.
Speaker 4: Artists, dating Dawn. Yes, he didn't respect that.
Speaker 1: I don't think he did. I think he kind of
Speaker 1: was intimidated in a way. And even though he had
Speaker 1: all this money and he was powerful and had everything
Speaker 1: in the world, I felt like he was intimidated by
Speaker 1: me dating her.
Speaker 4: Why would he be intimidated because he.
Speaker 1: Wanted to control and manipulate the situation. He wanted full control.
Speaker 1: He didn't want any other I felt like he didn't
Speaker 1: want any other.
Speaker 4: Man, so he felt like he wanted full control at Dawn.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like that.
Speaker 5: Yes, you thought he was after her in a romantic
Speaker 5: way or he just didn't like anybody any other man
Speaker 5: in her territories.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was Hmmm. The feelings I would
Speaker 1: get were like because I was dating her, so I
Speaker 1: felt like does he like me? Sometimes? Does he not
Speaker 1: like me? Does he want me around? And my being
Speaker 1: around because you know, he doesn't want like he doesn't
Speaker 1: want me around, because like like I'll find out too
Speaker 1: much information?
Speaker 4: Like I felt, are you finding out information?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would see things, you know, I would. I
Speaker 1: would hear things and see things, yes, and that I
Speaker 1: felt a little scared and paranoid around them sometimes.
Speaker 6: Too, like.
Speaker 3: You can you tell us what you heard and what
Speaker 3: you saw?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'll go back. I remember, okay, when it
Speaker 1: first started, when I got paranoid, we were in the Hamptons.
Speaker 1: We were in the studio in New York City, and
Speaker 1: I was with Dirty Money at this time. I was
Speaker 1: around Dirty Money for about a year while they were
Speaker 1: creating Last Train of Paris. And I guess I was
Speaker 1: around because I was dating Dawn. I happened. I just
Speaker 1: happened to be around. So Diddy's like, I think he
Speaker 1: was very very high. He's like, we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: the Hamptons. He was like, we're gonna go stay to
Speaker 1: night there and you guys want to come, And it
Speaker 1: felt very weird because he's never this energy just felt
Speaker 1: so weird, you know what I mean. It was friendly
Speaker 1: high you know what I'm saying, Like a friendly invitation
Speaker 1: to something.
Speaker 3: He wasn't usually like that.
Speaker 1: No, he's never invited all of us to one of
Speaker 1: his houses. So we get to that. Before we get
Speaker 1: to the Hamptons, they're like speeding in these black SUVs
Speaker 1: on the expressway, very very fast, like they were in
Speaker 1: a rush to get to the Hamptons. We get to
Speaker 1: the Hamptons and we walked through the house and we
Speaker 1: arrived in the backyard near the pool, and my ex
Speaker 1: at the time, which was dawn, she gave me an
Speaker 1: ecstasy pill and she said, oh yeah, she said it
Speaker 1: was ecstasy, and she said it was from puff to
Speaker 1: give to me, and it was red. And I took
Speaker 1: it because I thought I was going to get frea
Speaker 1: hued with my girlfriend. You know, we tried ecstasy before,
Speaker 1: and I was I trusted her that that's what it was,
Speaker 1: so I took it immediately, and she had one too.
Speaker 1: He gave her two of them. I took mine within
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. I knocked out and blacked out. I
Speaker 1: woke up in the twins' bedroom in the basement, and
Speaker 1: I woke up out of my sleep screaming, very very loud.
Speaker 1: Are the twins, I don't know their names.
Speaker 4: You're talking about, Yeah, Diddy twins.
Speaker 1: His girls. Yeah. I woke up in their bed, two
Speaker 1: cameras filming me, and they were laughing as I woke
Speaker 1: up out of my sleep screaming, and it felt like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cry.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, take your time. It's okay. It's understandable that
Speaker 3: you're reliving this and emotion comes with it. It's just no
Speaker 3: way around it.
Speaker 1: So it's it felt very sacrificial. That's what I ad
Speaker 1: met when I said I felt like they were trying
Speaker 1: to hurt me or Diddy was trying to maybe sacrifice
Speaker 1: me that night. I didn't say when I went to
Speaker 1: blad TV, I didn't say anything about finding it secrificial.
Speaker 1: Email do.
Speaker 4: What he's discussing in regards to Vlad TV is that's
Speaker 4: one of the interviews that the boys did. He had
Speaker 4: to leave gaps within that interview, and they decided to
Speaker 4: fill those gaps. It's kind of what I've experienced this
Speaker 4: past week. As you guys know, we started this out
Speaker 4: and it was you know, we all have this intention
Speaker 4: to talk our way through to the end of this
Speaker 4: trial and hopefully see justice for whatever we uh, whatever
Speaker 4: is proven and whatever the jury decides. Even you, you
Speaker 4: had situations that were just made up out of nowhere,
Speaker 4: so did I. Last week, Q was discussing one in
Speaker 4: which he couldn't say certain things because he's honoring a contract,
Speaker 4: and within that people decided to fill in the blank.
Speaker 4: So he discussed an email he had tears. People put
Speaker 4: it together that he's crying over an email and what
Speaker 4: it like basically tried to like suggest that he's not
Speaker 4: a man and he's boohooing over an email and so
Speaker 4: on and so forth.
Speaker 1: Boozy says something crazy. It's Boozy said, explain who everybody
Speaker 1: so little Boozy is, And respectfully, I want to say
Speaker 1: to him, like, like, that's not You shouldn't have said
Speaker 1: that I wanted to get f'd by Ditty or or
Speaker 1: if that's possibly the reason why I'm crying, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's messed up. You don't know me
Speaker 1: at all, mister Boozy, and you don't You didn't hear
Speaker 1: that the story that I just told, And if you
Speaker 1: would have heard that, maybe you would have had a
Speaker 1: different like reaction. And to Chopper into STEVEJ who also responded,
Speaker 1: like respect.
Speaker 4: They are all colleagues of cues in the industry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to say respectfully to them, just like,
Speaker 1: don't believe everything before you actually hear the truth. Because
Speaker 1: people added things and I don't have nothing bad to
Speaker 1: say about them at all. I just want them to
Speaker 1: just understand that, you know, be respectful to everyone's trauma.
Speaker 1: You don't know when a person is still healing and
Speaker 1: going through the process of healing, and you can add
Speaker 1: you don't know if I'm still thinking like I want
Speaker 1: to hurt myself for or I'm scared and thinking someone's
Speaker 1: gonna all those mental thoughts. You don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: going through for you to say those mean things to
Speaker 1: just add on to my mental health.
Speaker 5: I know there are some details about the incident you
Speaker 5: described maybe you don't want to get into and no,
Speaker 5: let's get it, okay, we can. Can I go with
Speaker 5: how I know you can be open about how it
Speaker 5: made you feel. Right, So you're saying after this particular incident,
Speaker 5: you you left there feeling you called it sacrificial, But
Speaker 5: did you felt as if they were to.
Speaker 1: Hurt me in my sleep? Because I woke up screaming.
Speaker 1: I woke about my sleep screaming, So what I mean
Speaker 1: by it felt like sacrificial. It felt like someone was
Speaker 1: trying to hurt me or take me out, because I
Speaker 1: possibly couldn't have woke about it my sleep that night.
Speaker 3: Do you know what happened to you?
Speaker 1: I woke up screaming like a girl to the top
Speaker 1: of my lungs on a high pitch.
Speaker 4: Well, did you have clothes on?
Speaker 1: I think I was in my shorts because I remember
Speaker 1: jumping into a swimming pool.
Speaker 3: But do you believe that some of what happened to
Speaker 3: you was recorded on one or many of these ideas?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw phones and lights. It wasn't a video camera,
Speaker 1: it was a phone camera light.
Speaker 3: So there are people who do know what happened to you,
Speaker 3: And there's a reason, you believe why they're not telling you.
Speaker 5: Yes, you all themselves, Well say agin them to protect themselves.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's what I feel.
Speaker 5: It seems like after talking to you, you all are
Speaker 5: in the same position, and is this might be typical
Speaker 5: at this point when you all were young folks in
Speaker 5: around this high powered guy, in this high powered environment,
Speaker 5: and you all sitting here twenty years later, Do I
Speaker 5: have it right? Or in the same boat of trying
Speaker 5: to still figure out what happened.
Speaker 4: To you both Without all of those pieces put together,
Speaker 4: you just spend every single hour of every single day
Speaker 4: unless you find a way to distract yourself trying to
Speaker 4: figure out what you were in qu say, now, I'm
Speaker 4: wondering what my group was right, right right? I know
Speaker 4: things to not make sense, you know, I experienced that
Speaker 4: a lot, But but to hear the levels of like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it sounds that sounds like orchestration almost,
Speaker 4: you know, like have him explode into these like narratives
Speaker 4: about me that I had to carry, you know, puff
Speaker 4: left it on. You're being fired for being raunchy, promiscuous,
Speaker 4: bad for business. None of those things were accurate to
Speaker 4: me and are accurate to me, were or are accurate
Speaker 4: to me, And and yet I had to then come
Speaker 4: up from under that. Like you guys understand what it's
Speaker 4: like to come up from under something. It's damn near impossible.
Speaker 4: I don't know that you ever do. I'm waiting for
Speaker 4: the day. I still can't. As of this week, even
Speaker 4: when we announced the podcast, it was she's testifying we
Speaker 4: love her. Now she's doing a podcast and she's refusing
Speaker 4: to take the stand, as if I have any ability
Speaker 4: to take a stand, as if I can walk up
Speaker 4: to the core or jump on in the stand and say, hey, everybody,
Speaker 4: Aubrey's here. I even see sights saying that I'm I'm
Speaker 4: supporting Diddy. I know, like I knew when Q was
Speaker 4: coming on, like he really wanted to address what a
Speaker 4: specific outlet was, like the narratives that they were pushing
Speaker 4: on him because he couldn't open up and talk about
Speaker 4: his full story. And I know how frustrating that is,
Speaker 4: because it builds and builds and builds, and and you
Speaker 4: you start to feel like you're like sinking yea.
Speaker 7: And the way that they twisted things, you know what
Speaker 7: I mean, the way that they twisted.
Speaker 4: What is it like to watch it from your perspective
Speaker 4: as his mom?
Speaker 7: Okay, so as a mom, hold on, wait, let us
Speaker 7: get a mic, just.
Speaker 8: To relive things, watching my son come back from it's okay.
Speaker 3: Just.
Speaker 1: Watching my son come back.
Speaker 7: From being around dawning them when this incident happened, and
Speaker 7: him coming home and we not understanding what happened here.
Speaker 7: I have my son young eighteen nineteen, never seen him
Speaker 7: in this state before, and I'm like, what happened? He
Speaker 7: went away, he comes home and he's locked in his room,
Speaker 7: he's talking crazy. I'm like, what is going on? To
Speaker 7: have him admitted into a hospital. And for them thinking
Speaker 7: that maybe he was on what is it K two
Speaker 7: or something like that, and they said, well, whatever it is,
Speaker 7: we don't know what it is. And I think if
Speaker 7: I wasn't there for my son, I think that they
Speaker 7: would have sucked him in to something more.
Speaker 3: Nicole, can you describe your son before he started with
Speaker 3: this band, with Diddy, with this whole world. Who was
Speaker 3: he before?
Speaker 7: He was so energetic, he was so I mean, he
Speaker 7: was fan's favorite.
Speaker 1: Everybody loved him.
Speaker 7: Was he a'es to dancing, he vocals, all of that,
Speaker 7: you know, And then it just turned around like somebody
Speaker 7: had did something that we just could not put our
Speaker 7: finger on.
Speaker 5: Where is your anger and level of blame that goes
Speaker 5: toward Sean Diddy?
Speaker 1: Combs?
Speaker 7: Well, when it comes to Diddy, I think the fact
Speaker 7: that he orchestrated, he was part of the orchestration as
Speaker 7: far as like producing the pills or whatever things like that.
Speaker 7: Aubrey remember this you know, for mom me taking him
Speaker 7: to the hospital and stuff like that. We later found
Speaker 7: there were things that was found in him in the system.
Speaker 7: It's in this medical so it like I said, you know,
Speaker 7: this wasn't something that just you know what I mean,
Speaker 7: something that's heredita.
Speaker 4: You're saying like a substance was found in there, but.
Speaker 7: They couldn't determine exactly what it was, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: At the time, like I said, they thought it was
Speaker 7: hwo K two.
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to say was with you guys,
Speaker 1: after my mental health I was healing, I finally admitted
Speaker 1: it in my records that I felt like Diddy was
Speaker 1: trying to in my mental records that I felt like
Speaker 1: Diddy was trying to hurt me or come get me.
Speaker 1: So like a couple of years later, not in the beginning,
Speaker 1: but as you read owned my mental records, as I
Speaker 1: was admitted into the hospital, because it wasn't just once,
Speaker 1: it was numerous the times, Like towards the middle, I
Speaker 1: started being honest and it was like, I feel like
Speaker 1: Diddy is trying to come after me and hurt me.
Speaker 1: I started like speaking up.
Speaker 5: How many people have stories like that? I mean, how
Speaker 5: would you okay, you all were eighteen ninety the old
Speaker 5: kids around this, how many people do you all believe?
Speaker 5: And you might even know, but give us an idea.
Speaker 5: Have stories somewhere like that that are silent that we
Speaker 5: might even never know about that it's not just a
Speaker 5: matter of Diddy, but Diddy this person that work is
Speaker 5: just his circle.
Speaker 1: You think a lot of people have a story.
Speaker 2: Like it was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe they do. I believe a lot of
Speaker 1: young people around my age. I started off when I
Speaker 1: was eighteen nineteen. I think a lot of young because
Speaker 1: that's what they do. They come after the young minded.
Speaker 1: They oppress, you know, the people they can manipulate. It's
Speaker 1: hard to manipulate somebody your age, but it's very easy
Speaker 1: to manipulate someone younger because of your influence. You know,
Speaker 1: people with influence can manipulate, can control, and it's because
Speaker 1: of their influence, and it makes us. It makes the
Speaker 1: person that like the people like me, like going after
Speaker 1: their dreams and having to endure and encounter compromising situations.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say, that's what they usually do
Speaker 1: to young people because they can put young people and
Speaker 1: they compromise the situations because a young person will basically
Speaker 1: do whatever they have to do to so in most
Speaker 1: cases she.
Speaker 4: Aligns with what Cassie is saying on the stand. She
Speaker 4: is saying she was very young. There was such a
Speaker 4: presence and a power to him. I mean, if you
Speaker 4: look at all of them making the band seasons, he
Speaker 4: was able to manipulate all of us to do all
Speaker 4: kinds of ridiculous shit. So there is this power in
Speaker 4: this presence with him that maybe, you know, an average
Speaker 4: show would just not understand how it just sucks all
Speaker 4: of the air out of the room when he's in it.
Speaker 4: It's just all consuming. I don't know how else to
Speaker 4: explain the way in which his power dominates a room. Q.
Speaker 4: You did tell me interesting story about We had a
Speaker 4: president at Bad Boy named Harv Pierre. He's been mentioned
Speaker 4: during this trial. His face was on the boards the
Speaker 4: first day, like mine was. You had a story with
Speaker 4: him that you told me that I thought was like
Speaker 4: shocking because Harve is like the one of the heads
Speaker 4: of the organization, right, so so he was always like
Speaker 4: very superior and we always had to kind of like
Speaker 4: look up to this guy. He was always running with
Speaker 4: puff everywhere. And you told me a story about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, so I'm making the band four on
Speaker 1: the last season when you weren't there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: So they made it seem like I was going crazy
Speaker 1: and I was really talking about management. And then Puff
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to see you home with your
Speaker 1: family because you've been acting crazy and stuff whatever, fighting everybody,
Speaker 1: and I didn't go home. I went to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl with him Don and Cassie and his team, and
Speaker 1: the super Bowl was in Tampa Bay, and well after
Speaker 1: he went to the club and he was getting ready
Speaker 1: to get inside his suv. Harv was in his suv
Speaker 1: and he made Harf Pierre get out of the suv
Speaker 1: and he asked me and down sit in the back
Speaker 1: seat next to Cassie and he was in the front seat.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of weird. That was like, I'm
Speaker 1: making the band for when I didn't really know him,
Speaker 1: and he asked me, like where was I from? So
Speaker 1: that was a weird introduction, you know. That's kind of
Speaker 1: probably was like when my mom was trying to say
Speaker 1: she was grooming me maybe four ford, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like, did he want to get a look at you?
Speaker 3: As she was bringing him to me.
Speaker 4: It just felt so weird. You would never tell Harve
Speaker 4: to get out and let two artists get in the
Speaker 4: car that he doesn't even pay us know me yet
Speaker 4: it was weird when he said that. It stood out
Speaker 4: to me like I couldn't even imagine him telling Harve
Speaker 4: to get out the car like that would that sounds un.
Speaker 1: Harvard looked like what he was like, huh?
Speaker 7: And I used to you know, Q and I are
Speaker 7: very close, so you know, I think that being that
Speaker 7: Dawn knew that how close we were, I think that
Speaker 7: that stopped a lot.
Speaker 1: I really I think that.
Speaker 7: She couldn't they couldn't get him the way that they
Speaker 7: really wanted because I really inserted myself a lot. This
Speaker 7: is my only son, So I mean, we we're still
Speaker 7: very close to this day, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: But there's some things that you know, you take to
Speaker 7: the grave with you. Just like hearing some of these
Speaker 7: things just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 1: I just go into details. I went in details with you, mmm, Q.
Speaker 3: When you got into that car with with Diddy and
Speaker 3: down what happened to that and Cassie? What happened in
Speaker 3: that car? What was talked about? What was said, was it?
Speaker 3: What was the mood like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when I got in the car with Diddy
Speaker 1: and Cassie and Tampa Bay, they seem like they had
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks. But it wasn't wasn't nothing uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: Nobody crossed the line or everything there. He was just
Speaker 1: asking questions Cassie. Cassie was very quiet. She was just
Speaker 1: sitting there like and she seemed like she didn't want
Speaker 1: to go through with whatever he was getting ready to orchestrate.
Speaker 1: She seemed like she was uncomfortable, like, no, these are
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this with with Q and
Speaker 1: Don or whatever whatever he was orchestrating. But he was
Speaker 1: asking questions like where you're from. I think he asked
Speaker 1: me what was my name?
Speaker 4: Where you were in the band? He chose you in
Speaker 4: the band, he didn't know your name.
Speaker 1: He was high. I think he was very high. I
Speaker 1: think you know he's always he's always high on ecstasy.
Speaker 1: That's his that's his main drug.
Speaker 7: I remember down telling me, because you know, I used
Speaker 7: to have conversations.
Speaker 4: What else did he ask you?
Speaker 1: Sorry, That's all I could remember, to be honest, and
Speaker 1: that they used to.
Speaker 7: Fake like they were given pills when they went to
Speaker 7: different occasions, different things, studio, stuff like that. And Q
Speaker 7: was telling me that how her Q and Don, because
Speaker 7: remember Don would come to our house and spend like
Speaker 7: days like with Q and stuff like that. And she
Speaker 7: would say, oh, well, you know, we would go to
Speaker 7: these parties and we would take the pills and put
Speaker 7: them in our pocket, but we would have to act
Speaker 7: like you know that they were on whatever the people
Speaker 7: at the parties were on.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 7: And I would say, I used to tell QQ, that's smart.
Speaker 7: But all along, I think Q was lying to me
Speaker 7: because he was actually taking the pills because he was
Speaker 7: eighteen nineteen years old and he knew that.
Speaker 1: I wish what are you doing? Like what are you doing?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 7: And I would have said those things to him, like
Speaker 7: what are you doing? You don't listen?
Speaker 1: So I'm not taking nothing.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna take nothing because I don't want to.
Speaker 7: I don't even want to know what's going to happen.
Speaker 7: I mean, I hear stories about people sniffing cocaine and
Speaker 7: their heartbust or something, you know what I mean, just
Speaker 7: just different things. I don't want to be in that situation.
Speaker 7: So I probably would have said that to my son, like,
Speaker 7: what are you doing? This is not what you're here for.
Speaker 7: But I get it now that when you're a celebrity
Speaker 7: and you you got cameras following you when you leave
Speaker 7: out of the hotel, or you're you know whatever, on
Speaker 7: the streets, you're running and you're just subjected to being
Speaker 7: in a hotel.
Speaker 1: So what else can we do?
Speaker 7: What else can we do but pop pills and you know,
Speaker 7: just do things. And so I kind of understood why
Speaker 7: he did do things because it's you guys' lives were
Speaker 7: different from other people's lives and you couldn't do normal things.
Speaker 7: You understand what I'm saying outside of you guys get Yeah,
Speaker 7: As a mom, I kind of understood it, but I
Speaker 7: was still angry with him as to what are you
Speaker 7: guys doing? But when he I felt safer when him
Speaker 7: and Don said, oh no, we used to put the
Speaker 7: pills in our pockets. We used to pretend, you know,
Speaker 7: they're bopping around or whatever.
Speaker 4: It's possible that she was a victim too.
Speaker 7: To it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she's not a victim because I'm not
Speaker 1: here to judge her story or whatever she's saying. I'm
Speaker 1: not here to say she's not a victim. But what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is she's not innocent as far as.
Speaker 4: It's kind of what Cassie's kind of saying on the
Speaker 4: stand when they were cross examining her, like, well, there
Speaker 4: are some text messages that suggest that she wanted an
Speaker 4: even wilder freak off than the last time or whatever.
Speaker 4: When they read a lot of the text messages, there
Speaker 4: was some admission to at least some of them being
Speaker 4: you know, they're being an awareness of some of them.
Speaker 4: You know, it's hard when you get into this topic
Speaker 4: because when you groom people and they understand to express
Speaker 4: themselves and to get attention from you, they need to
Speaker 4: be sexual. You can write a sexual message, but really
Speaker 4: just mean I want to be with spend time with you,
Speaker 4: you know. So it's like to me when I was
Speaker 4: hearing it, I just kept leaving that that space in
Speaker 4: there where I know survivors live, which is just like,
Speaker 4: you can't take those moments and turn them into this
Speaker 4: person wanted at all because a lot of times those
Speaker 4: messages come from a place that you're trained to understand
Speaker 4: it makes you most attractive to that person.
Speaker 3: But where is the line between being a victim and
Speaker 3: being an accomplice.
Speaker 4: And that is that right there. Amy is what I'm
Speaker 4: having a very hard time with with all of this.
Speaker 4: That's why I wanted to, you know, do this. I've
Speaker 4: been sitting here with stories like cues like many back
Speaker 4: and forth and back and forth. I switch over to
Speaker 4: sides daily wondering. You know. I try to put like
Speaker 4: Q went on for much longer with the dirty money people.
Speaker 4: You know, I was fired, so I was living a
Speaker 4: completely different life. I wasn't exposed to any of the
Speaker 4: drugs or any of the things that were going on
Speaker 4: like that. So when I hear these things, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I always just try to like know what I know,
Speaker 4: know what I saw, know what I think could be
Speaker 4: possible from what I saw, know what I am shocked by,
Speaker 4: and I try to like make sense of it all.
Speaker 4: But it sounds like, from like the point where I
Speaker 4: am checked out moving forward, that it got the drugs
Speaker 4: were a very common constant state. From the testimony and
Speaker 4: from people that were living there that are speaking with us,
Speaker 4: it just sounds like that is something that was getting
Speaker 4: very out of control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it's possible.
Speaker 5: You just said it, But how do you find a balance.
Speaker 5: Isn't it possible that everybody in his world that's a
Speaker 5: part of this is legitimately a victim and some are
Speaker 5: legitimately accomplices, Like can't they be very That's tough.
Speaker 4: This is for me as a woman, I find it
Speaker 4: very hard to think that because you're either on the
Speaker 4: side of the victims or you defend the bad guy, right,
Speaker 4: And as women, we don't get a lot of We
Speaker 4: don't get a lot of rope to say, well, I
Speaker 4: believe these four things that the person said these two.
Speaker 4: I saw some things where I know that those two
Speaker 4: are probably not fully the truth. And I could believe this,
Speaker 4: but she could be lying too, Like I'm never given
Speaker 4: the grace of being able to dissect and any like that.
Speaker 4: I just have to make a blanket statement because I
Speaker 4: feel as a woman, especially in the celebrity world, you're
Speaker 4: either with women or you aren't, and we kind of
Speaker 4: have to be in these lanes, and it makes dissecting
Speaker 4: things a bit difficult. And also because there are so
Speaker 4: many headlines and journalists being so irresponsible, you almost fear
Speaker 4: that the one thing you say that is a dissection
Speaker 4: gets carried off into the sunset. When you dissected it properly,
Speaker 4: and then you're on this side or you're on that.
Speaker 4: I'm being told that I'm on sides that I haven't
Speaker 4: even dissected yet. I'm scared to dissect. But I could.
Speaker 4: I could absolutely dissect, and I could absolutely pick all
Speaker 4: kinds of things apart. I do it every day since
Speaker 4: all of this started. But I don't feel like there's
Speaker 4: any room to do that. And that's a problem I
Speaker 4: think we really need to figure out as a society,
Speaker 4: because that's why there's such extreme palpable reactions to this case.
Speaker 4: There are some people that are just blankets saying Cassie
Speaker 4: is lying, that are celebrities, that are people that are
Speaker 4: known in the industry that we're around, and they're just
Speaker 4: suggesting that. Then there are people that are fully with her.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of really palpable feelings toward it because
Speaker 4: it seems like, according to her testimony, there's proof that
Speaker 4: there was days that there were you know, okay, or
Speaker 4: that maybe that somehow in the messages, it suggests that
Speaker 4: there was an agreement on certain days, and then on
Speaker 4: certain days it seems like it got out of control
Speaker 4: and it was not wanted at all. Q.
Speaker 3: I'm curious because you just sounds like it was like
Speaker 3: you did see a lot more and were involved a
Speaker 3: lot more in that other side of things from what
Speaker 3: you've heard and read of Cassie's testimony. Is she telling
Speaker 3: the truth?
Speaker 1: In my opinion, yes, I believe she's Selden the truth
Speaker 1: and I and they're talking about like this might not
Speaker 1: be trafficking now, I believe like trafficking is like when.
Speaker 4: You force, there has to be forcing coersion, right.
Speaker 1: I believe because of his influence, he is forcing people
Speaker 1: to be under his control and to it's under his rule,
Speaker 1: like like a serpent, like a sorceress, a person, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I believe he is forcing.
Speaker 4: We see force as such a action word. But when
Speaker 4: I think of it, and then making the band context,
Speaker 4: I just did what he said. I don't feel like
Speaker 4: anyone was giving me an action. But when he said
Speaker 4: go run Central Park till somebody drops, that's just what
Speaker 4: we did. We just had to. We just knew you
Speaker 4: had to. That's what you had to do. When I
Speaker 4: think of it now, that was there was force in that.
Speaker 4: There was coercion in that there That wasn't something I
Speaker 4: wanted to do you know, like there was there were
Speaker 4: those elements there. But when you're young, and because the
Speaker 4: way we defind these words, it's very difficult to understand
Speaker 4: that force factor and to verbalize it clearly to people
Speaker 4: because you're not looking at it like that when you're
Speaker 4: in that invite. It's just that environment is so far
Speaker 4: from anyone's healthy natural state that when you're in it,
Speaker 4: and and like I said, when it's good, you feel like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm living in this cool place that
Speaker 4: nobody understands. It's not even fame. I've seen fame at
Speaker 4: all levels. There's a lot of fame that's completely normal.
Speaker 4: This is something else. This was like a This was
Speaker 4: like they did. The life over on that side is
Speaker 4: just in extremes. I remember at one point being on
Speaker 4: like Scott Storches, like that yacht that they had seized
Speaker 4: at one point. It's like gigantic. It's on the internet.
Speaker 4: It's this gigantic, shiny yacht that's got every bell and
Speaker 4: whistle on it. And we had been in his home
Speaker 4: recording and then we were all out on the yacht
Speaker 4: with puff and I remember after that we had gotten
Speaker 4: sent home for a while and I went home to
Speaker 4: my sorority, and I was like, Wow, everybody's here is
Speaker 4: real boring and this real stale, and I want to
Speaker 4: go back over there where everything was like, it's the lifestyle,
Speaker 4: and it's not just a wealthy lifestyle. It's like extravagant
Speaker 4: and at a drop of a dime, did he will
Speaker 4: stand up and suggest that everybody goes somewhere and that's
Speaker 4: just what we do. Like it was just very intoxic. Yeah,
Speaker 4: without even being on drugs.
Speaker 1: And especially if you're young, you like, I'll do anything
Speaker 1: to get my life. I didn't feel that way, not anything.
Speaker 1: But you're the influence of someone that has the power
Speaker 1: to make you your dreams come true. You're like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, whatever I have to do, like as far
Speaker 1: as like walking to get cheesecake like the things you're
Speaker 1: giving examples of, or running thirty miles around the fucking.
Speaker 4: What I'm learning as I talk to more people, is
Speaker 4: there the degrees of that are different, right, Like what
Speaker 4: you're willing to do, it depends on how you grew up.
Speaker 4: It depends on your experiences that you saw as a child.
Speaker 4: It depends on what you've normalized in life versus what
Speaker 4: you haven't. I was always known to like talk back
Speaker 4: to him. That's not necessarily a natural state for anyone
Speaker 4: else in my group to have done that, and they did.
Speaker 4: Everybody's got different circumstances that we were raised in. So
Speaker 4: the levels in which we fought that do anything card
Speaker 4: is different, but we're we're not different in regards to
Speaker 4: being under the blanket of being victims to it and
Speaker 4: experiencing the overall understanding of it. However, the levels to
Speaker 4: which people will go, as we're dissecting, even within my
Speaker 4: own band, it sounds like there are levels to which
Speaker 4: some you know, one of my band members may have
Speaker 4: gone that I just are foreign to me.
Speaker 7: I would never Well, we come from the I actually
Speaker 7: had Q when I was very young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sixteen.
Speaker 7: People come from different lifestyles, yes, And unfortunately, you can
Speaker 7: come from a lifestyle where you know, you're you know,
Speaker 7: you're you're around this big person and oh wow, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean, what can I do to make
Speaker 7: sure that I stay at that level? You know?
Speaker 1: And you know those type of things.
Speaker 4: And remember he's iconic in a culture as well. He's
Speaker 4: a huge iconic figure.
Speaker 1: Correct and and and.
Speaker 7: I mean, like we probably grew up different. I probably
Speaker 7: grew up different from how you were raised with your parents.
Speaker 7: You probably had a bigger house and so for fun.
Speaker 7: And we come out of a neighborhood where, oh my god,
Speaker 7: you made the band. You understand what I'm saying. It's
Speaker 7: totally different. So we come from different lifestyles, you know.
Speaker 5: So I get what you're saying, Mama, Look that was well.
Speaker 5: This comes the great line from Christopher Wallace, the great poet.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: It's you either selling crack rock or you got a
Speaker 5: wicked jump shot sometimes.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you that I am a protector.
Speaker 7: I have three children, and I love my kids, and
Speaker 7: I'm still hurt to this day from a lot of things,
Speaker 7: still trying to understand because you know your kids, and
Speaker 7: I know whatever happened to my son, it happened during
Speaker 7: the years of him making that band, and that's where
Speaker 7: it all started. And if I could give that all
Speaker 7: back for my son, just to be a I would.
Speaker 7: No parent, No parents should have to see their child
Speaker 7: go through anything such as what I've seen, rather if
Speaker 7: it's Cassie or anybody else. But I also know that
Speaker 7: they have choices, and I'm not making excuses for my
Speaker 7: son at his age because he was taught right and wrong.
Speaker 7: He knows that if I'm not gonna do this, my
Speaker 7: mom said, this is not right. He had a choice.
Speaker 7: But when you love someone so hard and you put
Speaker 7: all your trust in them and you think, Okay, I
Speaker 7: love this person so much that they're not gonna hurt
Speaker 7: me and they turn around and they do that, it's
Speaker 7: not right.
Speaker 1: It's not right. Mom.
Speaker 5: Do you deal with and do you have moments along
Speaker 5: the way?
Speaker 1: And I was very impressed that.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there are a lot of kids that were
Speaker 5: in Diddy's world who didn't have a mom has involved
Speaker 5: as you.
Speaker 2: When making the band was on they ate me alive
Speaker 2: on the internet. But when I say, they ate me alive,
Speaker 2: meaning I actually quit my job when Q made the band,
Speaker 2: and because he asked his family to move to Virginia
Speaker 2: because that's what his manager, screw Face, wanted us to do. Oh,
Speaker 2: we got a house down here, you can set up
Speaker 2: your job down here. I just wanted to be next
Speaker 2: to my son to make sure that he was because
Speaker 2: he was so young. I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 2: he was guided right. And so I did all those things.
Speaker 7: And to move and while they were on the show.
Speaker 7: We get pack up this truck or whatever, we're on
Speaker 7: the road and we get.
Speaker 1: A call from screw Face. Oh the house fell through.
Speaker 7: We couldn't we couldn't move in, and so Q at
Speaker 7: the time was taping, and so he gets on there.
Speaker 7: He's like, I'm just worried about my family. My family,
Speaker 7: my family, and people kept they chewed me alive. Why
Speaker 7: would she quit her job for someone that just made
Speaker 7: the band at age eighteen? And do you know how
Speaker 7: bad I wanted to go on there and say, you
Speaker 7: don't know what the hell you're talking about, and you
Speaker 7: don't either, You says mam, Well, you can't do that.
Speaker 7: You see Beyonce's mom do that, you know, and I
Speaker 7: don't like it. So that's why you hardly ever hear
Speaker 7: of Qu's mom ever saying anything online when all these things,
Speaker 7: you know, just him being on you know, different.
Speaker 1: Podcasts and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: Today it was the day that I felt that somebody
Speaker 7: needed to hear my voice how I feel about everything.
Speaker 7: I can't blame Diddy, but I know he's not innocent.
Speaker 1: I can only blame.
Speaker 7: The people that were around me. And because my son
Speaker 7: puts so much into who he loved. That I can
Speaker 7: only blame her because she was what eight years older
Speaker 7: than Cute. She had a lot of influence on him,
Speaker 7: and all he knew was that that was my girl.
Speaker 1: Mom.
Speaker 7: You couldn't you can't tell me nothing about her.
Speaker 1: My mom couldn't tell me nothing. I mean, you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Kept telling him all along. I kept telling him, Cute,
Speaker 7: this don't sound right.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't trust her.
Speaker 7: Then.
Speaker 3: This it's just some mom's worst nightmare.
Speaker 1: And if I could give it all back, I would.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't just wanted my son to stay in college
Speaker 7: and just do the right thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't, And I.
Speaker 7: Keep saying that days and nice. I look at all
Speaker 7: his accomplishments. When my son would walk down the street,
Speaker 7: and I would just go on Facebook or anything like that,
Speaker 7: and people say, did you see that boy Q from
Speaker 7: day twenty six looking crazy.
Speaker 1: Walking around Rochester, New York with a screwdriver, thinking that
Speaker 1: Diddy was coming to kill me? So I was just
Speaker 1: obmarrying myself, just a mass mentally. This is a mental
Speaker 1: health problem though, going to you.
Speaker 4: Know, people knew who he was.
Speaker 7: I'm admitting it's just you never do anything.
Speaker 1: You do Yeah.
Speaker 4: You're paranoid, is somebody if you have If you have
Speaker 4: that in you, you're gonna be paranoid.
Speaker 1: I was talking around with a screwdriver, like stabbing up trees.
Speaker 1: I was thinking I was seeing Diddy and I would
Speaker 1: grow up to the tree and just start doing I
Speaker 1: know taekwondo a little bit, so I would do I
Speaker 1: would do my little punch thing on a tree with
Speaker 1: the screwdriver. You're not gonna hurt me, saying to myself.
Speaker 7: When I literally tell you the trauma, when I literally
Speaker 7: tell you, we didn't understand anything. And I was embarrassed.
Speaker 7: Then I had to think about it and said, this
Speaker 7: is my son. People will call me, did you see
Speaker 7: Q walking up the street or he's at the park
Speaker 7: sitting in a tree or something just out of his mind?
Speaker 7: Or you guys can't even imagine what I went through
Speaker 7: as a mom.
Speaker 1: And all I used to do was get on my
Speaker 1: knees and pray.
Speaker 7: I would look it's accomplishment, accomplishments, BT awards, all those
Speaker 7: plaques and key to the city, and I said, Lord,
Speaker 7: what has happened to my child? What is going on?
Speaker 7: I didn't have any answers. I didn't have anybody to
Speaker 7: turn to because we weren't really getting exact answers from Q.
Speaker 1: Because the pill that he had given me had broken
Speaker 1: me down to where he and he's just getting all
Speaker 1: the way back to the beginning to where I was,
Speaker 1: Like drawings script, I.
Speaker 6: Mind, I mean, it's it's it's it's devastating to the
Speaker 6: point where I believe TG and I are almost speechless
Speaker 6: at this point because it's hard to even get your
Speaker 6: head around what that must be like, what that must
Speaker 6: be like for.
Speaker 3: You, Mama, And I'm curious. Cue you said you're getting back.
Speaker 3: How are you now? How are you today? How long
Speaker 3: has this road been for you to get where you are?
Speaker 1: I am just healing. I've got better around twenty twenty
Speaker 1: and there
Speaker 3: Is so much more to unpack here, So stick around
Speaker 3: because we will be back with Aubrey Q and his
Speaker 3: mom Nicole