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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. John Barry was on the call last night

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Speaker 1: Game three between the Nets and Bucks on ESPN. He

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Speaker 1: has Jazz Clippers Saturday night, also on ESPN Radio. The

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Speaker 1: former NBA veteran joining us on the program. John, Good

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Speaker 1: to have you back. Thanks for joining us. Let's start

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Speaker 1: at the end of that game. We had all this

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Speaker 1: conversation about who's going to take the last shot for

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Speaker 1: the Nets. In a million years, if I would have said,

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Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Brown is going to take that last

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Speaker 1: shot for the Nets, what would you have said? No? Thanks.

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Speaker 1: It was a discombobulated possession. Obviously, they threw it and bounds,

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Speaker 1: the ball rolls all the way across the court. You know,

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Speaker 1: Bruce hadson time to wait for Kyrie, wait for Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant to give him that basketball. Look, Bruce Brown played great.

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Speaker 1: And this guy's a six fourth center. He's a point

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Speaker 1: guard I believe in Miami University of Miami, and he's

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Speaker 1: come out and plays the center position. It's incredible. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously the possession didn't go like they wanted, a tough

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Speaker 1: shot over the top of Brook Lopez. But I'm just

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Speaker 1: shocked at that game. Eighty six eighty three is a

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Speaker 1: bad three quarters normally for Brooklyn and they get eighty

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Speaker 1: three points for the game. It was a stunning that

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Speaker 1: these two offenses were that bad last night. But this

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Speaker 1: is by design for Milwaukee. It was a physical game,

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Speaker 1: tough game. Do they have to keep that score under

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Speaker 1: one ten, under one hundred if they have any chance

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Speaker 1: of winning this series? They would like to, you know,

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Speaker 1: but typically you're gonna have to score to beat Brooklyn.

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Speaker 1: That's the bottom line. Even without James Harden, would they

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Speaker 1: get one twenty five and one fifteen the first two games?

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Speaker 1: That was shocking. I mean, what were they They scored

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Speaker 1: eleven points in the first quarter, you know, down nineteen

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Speaker 1: after one. Kevin Durant doesn't go eleven for twenty eight

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Speaker 1: very often, and that won't have And again, so if

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Speaker 1: I'm Milwaukee, do I take confidence out of that that

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Speaker 1: I held Brooklyn to eighty three? And I want? I

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Speaker 1: don't think so. I still think Brooklyn has been by

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Speaker 1: far the better team throughout these first three games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you have the Yannis situation. He's not a

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Speaker 1: good shooter. You can't put him on the line. What

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Speaker 1: you were a great free throw shooter, your father one

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Speaker 1: of the great free throw shooters in NBA history. What

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Speaker 1: is it that happens at the line with some of

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Speaker 1: these players that they almost look paralyzed? John? Do you

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Speaker 1: some people not like to be the center of attention,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm not saying you're scared, but you're

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Speaker 1: standing there and you know whatever's in the building twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand or whatever or watching you. I mean, look, I

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Speaker 1: played with Shaq. We would shoot free throws every day

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Speaker 1: when I was with the Lakers in ninety seven. He

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Speaker 1: would go eighteen for twenty, seventeen for twenty all the time.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, does fatigue play into it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not exactly sure, but I would say this is get

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Speaker 1: the routine faster. He got called for one last night

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Speaker 1: to ten second rule. He had thirteen seconds they gave him.

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Speaker 1: I would go quicker, call him Montgomery a great golfer, right,

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Speaker 1: great Ryder cover And he always said, the longer you

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Speaker 1: stand over a ball, the more bad things are going

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Speaker 1: to get in your head. So know what you have

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Speaker 1: to do. He knows what he's got to do. Get

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Speaker 1: the ball, get a routine that's quick, shoot it shoot

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Speaker 1: it with confidence and move on. Well, we see this

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Speaker 1: with Ben Simmons. I don't think Ben has bad form,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't bend at his knees and then there's

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Speaker 1: no fluidity to it. It's these guys get there and

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Speaker 1: they're like stiff and then there's no movement from the

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Speaker 1: ground up. His form is not great, the elbows out

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Speaker 1: a bit. I'd rather have your form, to be quite honest,

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Speaker 1: watching you and maybe some of the dinettes back there, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't somebody shoot a jump shot from three throw

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Speaker 1: line that really struggled years ago? Do you remember Will

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Speaker 1: Chamberlain did. Did he took jumpers? Well? No, he was

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Speaker 1: at the top of the key. He was so bad.

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Speaker 1: How Greer played for the seventy six ers. How Greer

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Speaker 1: took a jump shot from the free throw line? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I know I think my dad talked Wilt in

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Speaker 1: a trying underhand for a minute. But guys are a

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Speaker 1: But look, Ben Simmons is great. This guy's a great player.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, isn't that like, don't you start as

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a great player. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: he can control ball games and be the best player

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Speaker 1: on the floor at times. And but that time he

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Speaker 1: and he like, he can't shoot a free trow or

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Speaker 1: a three pointer. It's like the Greek freak. He can't shoot.

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Speaker 1: He can control a game, and I wonder is he

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Speaker 1: That's that's a good question. Obviously, in the playoffs he

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Speaker 1: has improven to be a one that's taken his team

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Speaker 1: to where they need to be. And look, he's he's

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Speaker 1: four for thirty two from the three point line now

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And last night I'm I mean, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I have no affiliation with the Bucks, even though I

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm frustrated watching this, like, don't shoot

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Speaker 1: I mean it serves no purpose. Four for thirty two.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just you can't do it. We're talking

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Speaker 1: to John Barry, the former NBA veteran who apparently played

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Speaker 1: eight day, Oh that was in seven maybe seven seven.

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Speaker 1: The worst stop was Milwaukee. Well, it was cold and

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Speaker 1: we stung, okay, all right. Other than that, it was

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Speaker 1: the great They're great people in Milwaukee and great rocks. Paulie.

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Speaker 1: Do have how many games dunes? I got John Barry

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Speaker 1: with eight teams and thirty six starts out of eight

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty one games. Hey man, try coming off

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Speaker 1: the bench for some of these starters and they lying

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Speaker 1: about whatever. It's hard to do. It's a skill. He

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Speaker 1: was on the call last night Game three between the

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Speaker 1: Game three. I'm trying to figure out the Clippers here, John.

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Speaker 1: I got two really good wing defenders who can't guard

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Speaker 1: anybody on the wing. So it helped me out here, John, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: and throw in Pat Beverley. He's supposed to be a

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Speaker 1: thirty six a night in a seven game series. And

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Speaker 1: now Donovan Mitchell gets what eighty two points in two games? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there were two winnable games. I mean the Clippers

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Speaker 1: give them credit. You know, they come back from twenty

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Speaker 1: an opportunity. Kawai hasn't really gone off like he did

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Speaker 1: Dallas series. You know, ty lu, he switches it up

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Speaker 1: on a game to game basis, doesn't he. I mean,

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Speaker 1: no Rondo last night. Sometimes he plays zubos, sometimes he

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Speaker 1: not sure what to think. I'd feel a lot better

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Speaker 1: even though they're down to nothing as they go home.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think is more likely to play for

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Speaker 1: a championship? First, Devin Booker Donovan Mitchell. Those two teams

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Speaker 1: are both scary, you know. Obviously, I don't think Denver

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Speaker 1: Jamal Murray. But I think if we see Phoenix Utah

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Speaker 1: in the next series, that is a complete toss up

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. And Montie Williams, you can't say enough.

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Speaker 1: They won nineteen games two years ago and they're they're terrific.

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Speaker 1: They played with great confidence. Devin Booker is phenomenal. And

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul obviously. Can you believe Chris Paul has never

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Speaker 1: gotten out of the second round in his career. How's

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Speaker 1: a winner, but he hadn't won. Really, He's never gotten

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Speaker 1: handedly had a couple of times where he was directly

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Speaker 1: responsible for them not getting out. You remember he tried

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Speaker 1: and they didn't call it and they lost them, and

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Speaker 1: then they were he was with the Clippers, they were

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Speaker 1: up twenty on Houston in the second half to close

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Speaker 1: some unbelievable, inexplicable losses. For Chris Paul, but I don't

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Speaker 1: doubt his greatness because he's great and he is a

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Speaker 1: great leader. What's going to happen with the Lakers in

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Speaker 1: the offseason, aside from Lebron changing his jersey, dumber complete

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Speaker 1: they're three point shooting. I mean, look, they were hurt

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Speaker 1: They had not played together. They had Drummond who just

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Speaker 1: was out for two weeks protocol. They were totally discombobulated,

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Speaker 1: them that excuse. And you know, we think about this too. Dan,

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Speaker 1: the players that they've given up to get Anthony Davis. Now,

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Speaker 1: let's say they don't win another championship with Lebron and

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Speaker 1: they got to what a two or three year window

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Speaker 1: of that, if they never win again, is that worth it? Probably? Yeah? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think you gotta get one. It's like

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Speaker 1: if the Nets get one, this was worth it, right Well,

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Speaker 1: the Nets tried it a few years ago with Kevin

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Speaker 1: But I mean, look at the talent that the Lakers

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Speaker 1: have given up on, right Julius Randel, Brandon ingram h Hart,

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Speaker 1: LaMelo Ball, I mean, Lonzo Ball, who else? I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Clarkson. There are a lot of guys that they mortgage,

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Speaker 1: you know, to get this done. And they got their

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Speaker 1: one title, so maybe they'll be happy. But what's the

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Speaker 1: what's the reputation with Anthony Davis? Uh? I think great player? Um?

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Speaker 1: you can say unlucky okay? Um? And is he really

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Speaker 1: a truly a number one guy? I know, he's not

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Speaker 1: playing this the number one guy now? But when Lebron leaves,

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Speaker 1: is he enough to be your number one guy and

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Speaker 1: didn't have a talent. But can he be a number one?

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Speaker 1: But is that more mindset though, John, that you have

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Speaker 1: mentality of Mike iverson every night like I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: helped them in some ways. Now I know they've got

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Speaker 1: a you know, a modus operandi where they want to

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Speaker 1: travel far and wide, you know, touch each portion of

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Speaker 1: the country in the Notre Dame mission. But ultimately, maybe

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Speaker 1: this is exactly what pushes them over the edge and

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Speaker 1: gets them in the ACC. And I know that we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of blowouts. There's going to be blowouts

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Speaker 1: because there's a big difference between Clemson Alabama and Indiana

429
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Speaker 1: or Coastal Carolina. Are you okay with that that you

430
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Speaker 1: know the optics of this is going to be all,

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Speaker 1: you know what, why are we having these games? These

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Speaker 1: are blowouts and kind of embarrassing the playoffs. I well,

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Speaker 1: I'm first of all, I'm thrilled that we've you know,

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Speaker 1: now got a surety that the group of five is

435
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Speaker 1: going to be included at least one group of five

436
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: champion will be in the hunt for this and to

437
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Speaker 1: start college football seasons as we have in the past

438
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Speaker 1: with really no chance zero chants as Dean wurmers this

439
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Speaker 1: one set and zero point zero. When you when you

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Speaker 1: have a season that starts that way, something's wrong with

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Speaker 1: the system. So now we've got at least one the

442
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Speaker 1: potential for two. It should a conference champion come from

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Speaker 1: the Power five that wasn't up to snuff. But ultimately

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Speaker 1: that that's all good news. I don't worry so much

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Speaker 1: about those blow out games. And when great teams, you know,

446
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: are on the field, that happens. It happens in the

447
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Speaker 1: NFL periodically, and it will happen again in this But

448
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: I remember back that Georgio Oklahoma game in the Rose Bowl,

449
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Speaker 1: the overtime thriller. I say, we're going to have more

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Speaker 1: chances at that because what will happen over a period

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Speaker 1: of years as this begins, Because there will be more

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Speaker 1: spreading of the great players and the great talent in

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Speaker 1: the United States. They won't all just go to the

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Speaker 1: top three places. But knowing that there are more chances

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Speaker 1: to get to the playoff, maybe closer to home. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I liken it to Gonzaga because Gonzaga used to be

457
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Speaker 1: a novelty in basketball, and you know they would be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a cute story, Gonzaga. Now Gonzaga is getting some

459
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Speaker 1: of the top recruits in the country, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of that is is they got an opportunity. If the

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Speaker 1: field was thirty two, as it used to be a long,

462
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Speaker 1: long time ago, you would have a lot of these

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Speaker 1: programs who would never get this opportunity to grow their program.

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Speaker 1: Indiana being on a national stage with their football program,

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Speaker 1: I thought I would never see that in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina. You know, they would make the playoffs, and

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Speaker 1: I like that. It gives you an opportunity to be

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Speaker 1: seen by more people because we wouldn't have seen the

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Speaker 1: Indiana story this year or Coastal Carolina Boise State wouldn't exist.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think having that opportunity where you get

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Speaker 1: to play against the big boys, and you know, that

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Speaker 1: opportunity for players to see or recruits to see you play,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a benefit for these smaller schools that

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Speaker 1: would not be. They would be dwarfed by Alabama and Clemson.

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Speaker 1: And they may still be. But you just want to

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Speaker 1: be in the conversation. That's it. Give me a seat

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Speaker 1: at the table. It can be a bad seat, it

478
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Speaker 1: can be an obstructive view. Just give me a seat

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Speaker 1: at the table. Your Denzaga an example is a perfect one.

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Speaker 1: Butler is another example. Right the Gordon hay would shot

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Speaker 1: off the glass that you know, everybody's still gasping wondering

482
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Speaker 1: how it didn't go in those moments. Now can be

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Speaker 1: part of college football. You know, I don't know that

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Speaker 1: we're going to see an Apple acting State knockoff Michigan

485
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Speaker 1: in the College Football Playoff as we did in the

486
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Speaker 1: big House, but it's possible. And now when you have

487
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Speaker 1: that possibility and you can sit down in a living

488
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Speaker 1: room and talk about that possibility, it's much easier for

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Speaker 1: that young man to say, you know what, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to stay close to home here in Boone, North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: or here or in Cincinnati, Ohio, or Boise, Idaho, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be a part of this program because

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Speaker 1: I want to take to be the one first ones

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Speaker 1: to take them to the college football Playoff. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be exciting for those particular brands. Rick, We're sorry

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Speaker 1: we let you down. You did a great song for

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Speaker 1: the Emmy night and we're losers. I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a powerful, powerful song that you gave us

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Speaker 1: and maybe you could win a Grammy before we win

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Speaker 1: an Emmy. But I want to thank you again for

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Speaker 1: putting that together. I love the Dan Patrick Show. I

502
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: know I speak for millions when I say that, and

503
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Speaker 1: your day's coming. You two will be the Susan Lucci

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Speaker 1: who have finally climbed the final step any on the

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Speaker 1: Giant Child. Thank you, Ray, thank you, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend. That's Rick newhisl CBS Sports College

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Speaker 1: Football Analyst. Be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six

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Speaker 1: am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Got. The podcast is called All Ball. We

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Speaker 1: usually talk all basketball all the time, but it's more

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Speaker 1: about the stories about what made these people love their

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Speaker 1: sport and all the interesting interactions along the way. We

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Speaker 1: talked to coaches, we talked to players, We tell you stories.

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or ever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcast. Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live Cohill. See Mike,

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Speaker 1: that's how you get nominated for a sports emmi segue

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Speaker 1: like that, not win one, but get nominated. Well that's

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Speaker 1: good and yeah, hey, you know on what you were

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Speaker 1: just saying. Again, this issue comes up all the time.

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Speaker 1: I just wish they would have one rule that applies

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Speaker 1: to all service academies and stick with it, because it

525
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Speaker 1: seems like every year it's a different twist. They're allowed to,

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Speaker 1: they're not allowed to. I mean, if I'm Army or

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Speaker 1: air Force, this is a great recruiting poster for me. Hey,

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Speaker 1: come to this service academy. We'll let you potentially play

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, unless, of course, we change our mind

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Speaker 1: for years from now, which is possible. So maybe we

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Speaker 1: all mentioned that. I think you need that one rule

532
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Speaker 1: needs to be the sent needs to be fair to

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Speaker 1: these guys. Even then you know, going in, am I

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Speaker 1: going to have the chance or not have the chance

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Speaker 1: if my football career works out. I think every roster

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Speaker 1: should have one extra roster spot for a military graduate.

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Speaker 1: I can get behind that. I guess I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess, well, you're an American if you're not going

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Speaker 1: to get behind that. Mike Mike Florial on American Wow.

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Speaker 1: I just look, there was once a time when the

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Speaker 1: best football players ended up at the service attack. But

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Speaker 1: the world has changed so much that the sport of

543
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: pro football has changed so much. The way it works

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Speaker 1: out is the best of the best end up at Alabama,

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Speaker 1: clemsonar Ohio State, and everybody else is just trying to

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Speaker 1: get whatever scraps they can find. So I love it

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Speaker 1: would not be something that contradicts the overt efforts by

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Speaker 1: the NFL to cater to the military. So it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me if the NFL did. All right, let's get

550
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Speaker 1: to the serious stuff. Fear. It feels like there's some

551
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Jedi mind games being played by the Packers and Aaron

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00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: Rodgers or certainly Aaron Rodgers here, and I want you

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Speaker 1: to paraphrase what you put on Pro Football Talk, because

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Speaker 1: if I don't know if Aaron Rodgers is like, I'm

555
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Speaker 1: not going to be painted as a bad guy where

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00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: the Packers are trying to paint him as a bad guy. Okay,

557
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: what happened? Like, what's the end result with all of this, Mike?

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Speaker 1: It's whatever Aaron Rodgers wants it to be. And I

559
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: think whatever happens, he's going to act like it's what

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Speaker 1: he wants. So I think that's one of the reasons

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00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: why he's not telling anybody what he really wants. But

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Speaker 1: when he talks to guys like James Jones, who he

563
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Speaker 1: knows will turn around and appear on radio and TV

564
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Speaker 1: and say what he's allowed to say, what Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: authorizes him to say, and James Jones says the situation

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Speaker 1: is fixable, I think Aaron Rodgers wants Packers fans to

567
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: say to the Packers, why haven't you fixed it? Aaron

568
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: says it's fixable, why haven't you fixed it? And when

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Speaker 1: Murphy the team CEO, not even in response to a

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Speaker 1: question about Aaron Rodgers, just kind of gratuitously in a

571
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Speaker 1: written call. We're in a chance to write it and

572
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: read it and read it. Be sure it's what he

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Speaker 1: wanted to say. Says that this situation is dividing our

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Speaker 1: fan base. That's his way of letting Rogers know your

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Speaker 1: worst case scenario of becoming a pariah among Packers fans

576
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: is coming to fruition. So it is high level pr

577
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: games being played between these two sides. Rogers wants the

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Speaker 1: Packers to be to blame, the Packers want Rodgers to

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Speaker 1: be to blame. And if he just got a show

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00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: out for training camp, I'd say most fans of the team,

581
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Speaker 1: because they always fall in line behind the laundry, most

582
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: fans of the team are going to say, you're out

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Speaker 1: a contract, you should be Yeah, I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: understand it. What point does Aaron Rodgers say, Now, if

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Speaker 1: I'm going to a new team, I better get there soon.

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00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: And if the Packers realize he doesn't want to be there,

587
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Speaker 1: then when do you move on? And what do you get?

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Speaker 1: And are you comfortable with and love being your starter?

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00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Like the clock is ticking here, Mike, for both of

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Speaker 1: these sides, and who's gonna blink first? You know, Dan,

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00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: I've said a couple of times over the past week

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Speaker 1: or two, it's better for the Packers at this point

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and wait until after the season to trade.

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Speaker 1: And because if you trade it now, you get in

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00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two kicks anywhere. Go ahead and wait till

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00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: you get ten teams at the table. Now you would

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00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: have gotten more for him if you would traded him

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Speaker 1: in March, but now you got the Broncos and maybe

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Speaker 1: the Raiders showing up for this option. You get to

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Speaker 1: March after teams have had a chance to roll the

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Speaker 1: dice one more year with their current quarterbacks and decide again,

602
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: this guy sucks. We gotta find somebody better. You're gonna

603
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: have teams lining up for a chance to get Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm the Packers, I think you choose not

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00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: to play. We get thirty million back or more between

606
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: the salary, we don't pay him bonus money we can recoup.

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00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: We don't have to worry about him going somewhere else

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Speaker 1: and making us look like idiots. This year, we get

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Speaker 1: a chance to let Jordan Love get ready, and maybe

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Speaker 1: the fans will understand that Aaron put us in a

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Speaker 1: tough spot where we had to throw him into the

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Speaker 1: before he was ready, and we trade him for more

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Speaker 1: next year, and we'll know after a year of Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love whether or not he really is the guy. You know,

615
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: at some point they need to find out is he

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00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: the guy? They use the first round pick on him,

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: they see something in him that makes them think he

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Speaker 1: can be the guy. So I really do think you

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Speaker 1: attached Mark Murphy to a lot of tech to test.

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00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: I think he would prefer that Rogers not show up

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Speaker 1: this year. I love the pr machine of now promoting

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love. That you had Dan Orlovski of ESPN, former

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback who basically came out and said, guy can't

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Speaker 1: play Jordan Love. And then the next day you had

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Speaker 1: reporters covering the Packers, who, of course are sort of

626
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: beholden to the Packers, like, hey, Jordan Love, man, do

627
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: you see some of those passes, those throws he had there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how good he is, and I don't

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Speaker 1: know when we find out until there's live bullets here. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I don't care what you do in shorts and nobody

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Speaker 1: gets to hit you. And you threw a thirty five

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00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: yard out. I want to know what happens when you

633
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: have to process all this in real time, and it's

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00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: two phases, it's live bullets plus what happens after four

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Speaker 1: to six weeks of you playing and defenses can break

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Speaker 1: down film and figure out how to stop you? Can

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Speaker 1: you and your coaches counter that. Simms had a great

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Speaker 1: point yesterday on PFT low and he's been involved into

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Speaker 1: breaking news. Chris Simms had a really good Jo's worth

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Speaker 1: pointing out because it's so rare, but he's seen this

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Speaker 1: before where the coaching staff wants to build confidence. So Dan,

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Speaker 1: is it really crazy to think that? After Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: looks so bad? On Tuesday, Matt mcflour gets together with

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Speaker 1: Joe Barry, the defensive coordinator, and they script the plays.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna call the defenses that are going to be used.

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Speaker 1: So the play pops and it gives Jordan Love a chance.

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Speaker 1: When the reporters are watching Wow to create these tweets.

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Speaker 1: This isn't the reporters lying, This is the packers deliberate

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Speaker 1: engineering a scenario where Jordan Love has guys wide open

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Speaker 1: or wide ass open. His Bruce Arians would say, and

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Speaker 1: you get a positive they got well, they owe it

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Speaker 1: to Jordan Love to help this guy out. He didn't

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Speaker 1: ask for this. You think he would have voluntarily signed

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Speaker 1: up for the Packers if he had his drugs in

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Speaker 1: April twenty twenty. Hell no, So they got to take

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Speaker 1: care of this guy. You don't want to ruin him

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Speaker 1: because he's taught in the crossbar between Rogers and the

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Speaker 1: front office. He's Mike Florio, co host of Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Talk Live. You'll see that on NBC Sports Network and

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Speaker 1: also here on Peacock with Chris Sims. The Buccaneers offseason,

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Speaker 1: I guess when as well as possible where they didn't

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Speaker 1: need to add much, they just resigned people. And then

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, I guess, is going to be a new quarterback,

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Speaker 1: a different quarterback after this knee surgery. He said he

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Speaker 1: was he's going to be able to do some things

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Speaker 1: he couldn't have done last year. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: anybody followed up by saying, what exactly is that Tom,

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Speaker 1: that you'll be able to do? So what do you

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Speaker 1: make of Tom's revelation that he's going to be able

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Speaker 1: to do some different things? You're gonna run a five

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Speaker 1: to two nine instead of a five three one? Hey?

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Speaker 1: He admitted the other day, and they need to get

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Speaker 1: him to quit talking about this. This is how the

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Speaker 1: Jets got in trouble back in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 1: when Brett fav went to the Vikings and he kept

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Speaker 1: making excuses for why they fell apart down the stretch,

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Speaker 1: and he started talking about his arm injury. Eventually the

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Speaker 1: NFL find everyone from the Jets for hiding it on

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Speaker 1: the injury report. You got Brady saying his knee was

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Speaker 1: injured back in April or May last year. He had

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Speaker 1: pretty serious surgery, as he described it. He was never

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Speaker 1: listed on any buccaneer's injury report with a knee injury

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Speaker 1: at some point. With gambling spreading, and the league's got

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Speaker 1: to be concerned about these things. And I know it's

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Speaker 1: you know, most fans are like, who cares well Gambler's

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Speaker 1: care in the league should care because eventually the Bucks

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Speaker 1: are gonna get in trouble. But you know, Dan, another

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Speaker 1: thing Simpson and I were talking about this week. If

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Speaker 1: the Packers are just able to complete that comeback when

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Speaker 1: they're down twenty eight to ten, they've got fourth and

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Speaker 1: whatever it was inside the ten, if they would have

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Speaker 1: won that game, think about how different the would have

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Speaker 1: been around the Buccaneers from that point until now. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady meltdown interceptions on three straight drives, they blow an

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Speaker 1: eighteen point league. Maybe a lot of those guys who

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Speaker 1: resigned to go elsewhere. It's amazing how much that one

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Speaker 1: moment affected the Packers in a negative way and boost

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Speaker 1: of the Buccaneers of this team where we're saying, who's there,

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Speaker 1: who's their competitor in the f seiton, who they have

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Speaker 1: to worry about? Really, they got a pack to the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl again, and it could have gone so differently

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Speaker 1: if that game in Green Bay had ended in a

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Speaker 1: different way. Well, look at Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: We would be questioning if he could win the big Game.

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Speaker 1: If San Francisco doesn't forget about Tyreek Hill, or you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have a couple of stops, or Garoppolo doesn't overthrow.

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Speaker 1: I get these things are it's so small. Two more

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Speaker 1: first downs. Jimmy Garoppolo is viewed differently, and Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: we would say, well, I can't win the big one.

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, you get another first down, kick a field goal.

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Speaker 1: He's an automatic Hall of Famer there like it's so small,

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Speaker 1: these margins, all of these How many super Bowls did

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Speaker 1: Brady win needing help from somebody else? But Tom is

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Speaker 1: the goat because vine Terry did this or Rodney Harrison

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Speaker 1: did this. You know, it's pretty remarkable David Tyree doesn't

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Speaker 1: catch that ball. Is Eli Manning a Hall of Famer

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Speaker 1: with one super Bowl and you could probably say maybe not,

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Speaker 1: even though he did it in New York. If Mario

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Speaker 1: Manninghan doesn't catch that ball at the sideline in Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl forty six, If Wes Welker catches a pass that

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Speaker 1: really wasn't thrown as accurately as people would say from Brady,

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Speaker 1: the Patriots win that one, and there goes another one

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Speaker 1: for the child. Say, it's amazing how much work and

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Speaker 1: effort and sweat and toil and study and time it

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Speaker 1: all goes into to give yourself in a spot where

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Speaker 1: that one thing goes in the way. Yeah, months and

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Speaker 1: months and months to get to that one moment per

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Speaker 1: year when it all falls you're way. It just shows

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Speaker 1: you how hard it is in today's NFL. And that's

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Speaker 1: why no one's repeated it since two thousand and three,

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Speaker 1: two thousand four eight times in the first thirty nine

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls teams went back to back and it hasn't

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Speaker 1: happened since because they're all packed together and it comes

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Speaker 1: down to those those moments that are there and then

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Speaker 1: they're gone. Should we celebrate? We have lost the Sports

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Speaker 1: Emmy Best Studio Host four years in a row, so

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Speaker 1: we are the Buffalo Bills now now they're viewed as losers.

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Speaker 1: Should we view ourselves as losers? No? No, because you've

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Speaker 1: been nominated, but we lost what they're still be nominated.

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Speaker 1: That's more than PFT Live can say. That's more than

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Speaker 1: I can say. So you're you're nominated. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we don't measure ourselves with your show. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's like the old West Virginia Penn State rivalry.

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Speaker 1: I get I got my Western shirt on. It was

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Speaker 1: a big deal for us. What a big deal for

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Speaker 1: Penn State. But anyway, you're nominating, you're there, You're at

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Thank you, Mike. You are to catch the

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Speaker 1: live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine

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Speaker 1: am Eastern six am Pacific on Flox Sports Radio in

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