Speaker 1: This was exactly the thing that My So Called Life
Speaker 1: was trying to counter, but instead of lasting one season,
Speaker 1: lasted many seasons, and one of the critics actually said
Speaker 1: it was arguably one of the worst long running.
Speaker 2: Shows on television.
Speaker 3: I'm Jessica Bennett and I'm Susie Bannacarum.
Speaker 4: And this is in retrospect, where each week we revisit
Speaker 4: a cultural moment from the past that shaped us.
Speaker 2: And that we just can't stop thinking about.
Speaker 4: Today, we're delving into some of the great ideas that you,
Speaker 4: our listeners, have sent in. We've been asking for your suggestions,
Speaker 4: and these are some of the moments that you can't.
Speaker 3: Stop thinking about.
Speaker 1: Jess people sent in so many good ideas, and some
Speaker 1: of them were things we had thought of, but some
Speaker 1: of them weren't. And this first one we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about was something I didn't even know existed, which
Speaker 1: is a suggestion that we talk about Generation Catillano, which
Speaker 1: is based on a character in My So Called Life,
Speaker 1: a show you and I were both obsessed with.
Speaker 2: Will you tell us about it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So, Generation Catialana is based on Jordan Catalano. Snaps to Lisa,
Speaker 4: who sent this in, because I am still in love
Speaker 4: with Jordan Catalano.
Speaker 2: Yes, me too, the fact that we come here, let's
Speaker 2: keep it like our secret.
Speaker 4: He was played by Jared Letter, And to be clear,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying this about Jordan Letter.
Speaker 3: I'm saying it about the character.
Speaker 4: But my so called life was this show that ran
Speaker 4: for one season, tragically only one ragide and it was
Speaker 4: a high school drama.
Speaker 3: It made Claire Dance famous.
Speaker 4: She played the lead character who was also the narrator,
Speaker 4: Angela Chase, and Angela's love interest was Jordan Catalano.
Speaker 5: The thought that I might be seeing Jordan Catalano in
Speaker 5: a few hours was like impossible to comprehend.
Speaker 4: There was also her two best friends, Ricky and ray Yanne.
Speaker 4: This was a high school drama that didn't have the
Speaker 4: kind of sack grend earnestness or like after school special
Speaker 4: sense vibes that like Thousands Creek did. It was for
Speaker 4: emo types who wore flannel and docs and were like
Speaker 4: really in their feelings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I wore flannel and docs, but I would
Speaker 1: never have described myself as emo. But when you say that,
Speaker 1: I feel like I should confess that I wrote really dark,
Speaker 1: lame poetry at this time of my life, so maybe
Speaker 1: I did qualify as EMO. But this concept that Lisa
Speaker 1: sent in, this concept of generation cattleano, I had not
Speaker 1: heard about this before.
Speaker 2: What does it mean?
Speaker 4: It basically describes where you and I meet, which is
Speaker 4: this generation between gen X and millennials. Like I'm a millennial,
Speaker 4: you are gen X, but we have this focal point,
Speaker 4: this reference between us.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I never really felt quite gen X. So
Speaker 1: I love that there's this other mic, the other way.
Speaker 3: Of saying cusp right, yeah, Like it's more fun.
Speaker 4: And actually I feel like we should note that I
Speaker 4: mentioned the tragedy my circle.
Speaker 3: Life only ran for one season.
Speaker 4: And that was despite the best efforts of our producer, Lauren,
Speaker 4: who when she was a teenager wrote many letters to
Speaker 4: the creators.
Speaker 3: Of that show to try to get it to continue.
Speaker 4: And I remember that big like such a thing, like
Speaker 4: we were devastated, devastated.
Speaker 1: I was devastated when it was canceled. It was kind
Speaker 1: of like Freaks and Geeks. Although I did not watch
Speaker 1: Freaks and Geeks when it was actually on the air,
Speaker 1: I watched it many years later, so I did not feel.
Speaker 2: That tragedy when it was canceled after one year.
Speaker 1: Right, But I remember being so upset when my Socles
Speaker 1: life was canceled.
Speaker 4: I rewatched My Circled Life a fe years ago and
Speaker 4: it does hold up, like I cried.
Speaker 3: Oh, it really brought me back.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was a high school drama. It was like love interests, friends, parents.
Speaker 4: There was a coming out story with Ricky, but it
Speaker 4: just had so much raw emotion behind it, and it
Speaker 4: really brought me back to that age.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I really should rewatch it too.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this is a good time for
Speaker 1: me to tell you about my proudest fashion moment of
Speaker 1: all time, which is that when I was at ABC News,
Speaker 1: I interviewed Claire Danes for.
Speaker 2: Something Oh you did.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was wearing like a cool black suit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was wearing these baby blue sneakers with it,
Speaker 1: which wasn't like so common at that time, and she
Speaker 1: was like, I really like your sneakers.
Speaker 3: Oh that's cool. Was this wait? This was later? This
Speaker 3: was like Homeland era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was Homeland air.
Speaker 1: This was like when I was working in news, so
Speaker 1: I must have already been in my thirties.
Speaker 4: I feel like we should also note that in the
Speaker 4: show she had this like dark red hair kind of
Speaker 4: like long Bob, and I spent so long trying to
Speaker 4: get that hair color it would never really work. And
Speaker 4: my hair because I have dark brown hair, like everyone
Speaker 4: wanted that hair.
Speaker 2: Yes, who is a battlefield for your heart?
Speaker 7: So when brand Graft told me my hair was only
Speaker 7: the deck, I had to listen.
Speaker 1: Well, she just was very cool, even though she wasn't.
Speaker 1: The character she was playing wasn't supposed to be popular
Speaker 1: or cool in the way the traditional.
Speaker 2: Teen shows set that up.
Speaker 1: So that's I think the other reason it felt very
Speaker 1: relatable because she was a cool person, but she wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily cool in high school, which is not the same
Speaker 1: thing people.
Speaker 8: Always say, how you should be yourself, Like yourself is
Speaker 8: this definite thing like a toaster or something.
Speaker 4: She was saying the uncool thing. Yeah, that you were
Speaker 4: thinking on the inside, which is like why won't this
Speaker 4: guy acknowledge me? Like there's something here, we feel something.
Speaker 3: And there was so.
Speaker 4: Many just like tense, so rare, like longing stairs through
Speaker 4: the hallway, Oh my god. But then he'd like ignore
Speaker 4: her later, which anyone who's been in high school and
Speaker 4: had love interests remembers, Yes, but particularly maybe in this
Speaker 4: time and but she like says it out loud, Like
Speaker 4: there's a scene where she's like, why are you like this?
Speaker 2: Why are you like this?
Speaker 3: Like what like how you are?
Speaker 1: I do want to say that Lisa is not the
Speaker 1: only person who suggested My So Called Life. Actually, my
Speaker 1: friend Lauren's husband has become addicted to the show. She
Speaker 1: said she got him addicted to it. And Lauren is
Speaker 1: an old friend of mine from ABC, and she sent
Speaker 1: me a text saying he thought we should do My
Speaker 1: So Called Life or Working Girl because we've mentioned that
Speaker 1: movie a few times and I think that's a really
Speaker 1: good idea. He also wanted to give us a little
Speaker 1: intel on something we talked about in the Amy Fisher episode,
Speaker 1: which is that Joey Betafuco was really into arm wrestling,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to let us know that there was
Speaker 1: an effort in the eighties to make Heies Digg's arm
Speaker 1: wrestling a thing on Long Island.
Speaker 2: So he just wanted to give a little pizza.
Speaker 1: Yes, wanted to update on that a little piece of
Speaker 1: Long Island history.
Speaker 4: I'm sure my Long Island relatives so ill appreciate that.
Speaker 4: Let's get to our next suggestion. This one came from
Speaker 4: again a number of people, Betsy Watson, Jamie Kramer, and
Speaker 4: Shannon Paris, thank you all for writing in. And this
Speaker 4: is that moment between Nancy Kerrigan and Tanya Harding.
Speaker 2: The infamous clubbing heard around the world.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Kerrigan was hit several times on the leg around
Speaker 7: the knee by what's being described as.
Speaker 2: A club of some sort. So I definitely remember this.
Speaker 1: This was a story I was very into and for
Speaker 1: people who haven't seen it, Eitania is.
Speaker 2: Such a good movie about this.
Speaker 1: But the background here is basically that in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: Harding and Kerrigan were two of the best ice skaters
Speaker 1: in the world. Tanya Harding has delivered her challenge.
Speaker 3: Will it be enough for the national title?
Speaker 2: You'll find out when.
Speaker 5: We come back, as Nancy Carragrin looks on.
Speaker 1: And they had always been pitted against each other because
Speaker 1: Nancy Kerrigan was this kind of like sweet girl next
Speaker 1: door and Kanye Harding had this kind of like trashy,
Speaker 1: cheap vibe that people often commented on, which feels really
Speaker 1: nasty in retrospect.
Speaker 3: Tanya has a more complicated life than a lot of
Speaker 3: these other women competing here.
Speaker 4: I mean, she was poor, she didn't come from money.
Speaker 4: She had a hard upbringing. She couldn't afford the fancy
Speaker 4: literally uniforms, whereas Nancy Krigan was like this beautiful kind
Speaker 4: of upper crust type, doesn't she look all?
Speaker 2: She looks angel Well.
Speaker 1: That's actually one of the interesting things about the stories.
Speaker 1: It turns out they actually were raised in similar economic conditions.
Speaker 1: Like Nancy wasn't from that well off of family, but
Speaker 1: Nancy had a loving family who supported her, and Tanya's
Speaker 1: mother was by all accounts pretty abusive to Tanya.
Speaker 2: Her upbringing was really unstable.
Speaker 1: But the controversy itself was that they are about to
Speaker 1: compete against each other in the Olympics and Tanya Harding's
Speaker 1: husband at the time orchestrates an attack on Nancy Kerrigan.
Speaker 3: In which somebody hits her leg with a crowbar.
Speaker 1: Correct I don't know if it was with a crowbar,
Speaker 1: but basically she's coming off the ice where she's practicing.
Speaker 1: There are cameras all around, and this sky comes out
Speaker 1: of nowhere and hits her knee, trying to make it
Speaker 1: so that she can't compete some hard art black nick.
Speaker 1: And in the end she does compete, and she does
Speaker 1: really well and Tanya Harding does really badly.
Speaker 3: Nancy Kerrigan skated the performance of her life.
Speaker 8: Gathery Devitt wound up seventh, Tanya Harding eighth.
Speaker 1: But the intention here was to derail her career, and
Speaker 1: because there were all these cameras around, it was captured
Speaker 1: and so it was this really huge national story. And
Speaker 1: then over time it came out that actually it was
Speaker 1: Tanya Harding's husband who orchestrated this. There was some question
Speaker 1: about whether or not on You herself had been involved
Speaker 1: in the attack, and eventually she did plead guilty to
Speaker 1: conspiracy to hinder prosecution for trying to cover up for him.
Speaker 4: But to be clear, this happened in real side, Like
Speaker 4: do you remember watching as I may?
Speaker 3: I remember I was like so excited. I love the
Speaker 3: ice skating in the Olympics.
Speaker 4: I remember being with my parents and the scene of
Speaker 4: Nancy Kerrigan in all white on the ground holding her legs,
Speaker 4: crying and saying like my leg or.
Speaker 3: My life is something?
Speaker 4: Why that was played on repeat, on repeat and repeater.
Speaker 3: It was like the cover of every sory.
Speaker 4: I so distinctly remembered watching that and it being everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also just the unfolding of was Tanya involved,
Speaker 1: wasn't she like that whole kind of mystery, and then
Speaker 1: the unpeeling of it, I think just really captured the
Speaker 1: imagination for a long time and it became a classic
Speaker 1: comedian narrative which as you and I know, people love,
Speaker 1: which is it was really framed as good versus evil. Right,
Speaker 1: Nancy was good, Tanya Harding was evil, and you know,
Speaker 1: this effectively ended Tanya Harding's career. But then it got
Speaker 1: a revisiting with this movie E Tanya, and it really
Speaker 1: added more nuance to the picture. So that has changed
Speaker 1: the way a lot of people thought about it. At
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: There was not a lot of nuance.
Speaker 3: When that revisitation occurred.
Speaker 4: One of those layers that was peeled back, like you mentioned,
Speaker 4: is that turned out she was in this very abusive
Speaker 4: relationship with the ex husband, Jeff Glouley, who was then
Speaker 4: later found to have committed the crime or orchestrated the crime.
Speaker 4: And so that too was just a complexity that was
Speaker 4: not there in this sort of good evil narrative.
Speaker 1: Speaking of feuds women who have been pitted against each other,
Speaker 1: I think the next one is a suggestion that we
Speaker 1: talk about Brandy versus Monica and The Boy's Mind. This
Speaker 1: came in via Ayisha Johnson and also Jenna McCollum.
Speaker 4: Okay, so I remember this so much because I loved
Speaker 4: this song. This was like the jam of the of
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight. It was a song called the Boy
Speaker 4: Is Mine by Brandy and Monica. It was a duet
Speaker 4: and at the time Brandy and Monica were both pretty
Speaker 4: popular and well respected singers in their own right. They
Speaker 4: were also notably teenagers. And yet, as often happens when
Speaker 4: there are two women doing somewhat similar things, and like
Speaker 4: you can't possibly have two of them, and so all
Speaker 4: these rumors started sprouting up that they were in this feud,
Speaker 4: and so then I just learned this.
Speaker 3: In doing additional research.
Speaker 4: I thought that the feud began with the song because
Speaker 4: in the song, they're basically fighting over a boy.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like that boy is mine.
Speaker 4: No, he's mine, Yeah, he's mine. I'm sorry, you seem
Speaker 4: to be confused. He belongs to me. The boy is mine,
Speaker 4: you know, and on and on. But actually I read
Speaker 4: that in fact, the rumors of the feud had gotten
Speaker 4: started earlier, and so this song was originally written as
Speaker 4: a solo song. For Brandy, but she brought in Monica
Speaker 4: to do it a duet so they could.
Speaker 3: Like squash their beef or their entry beef or whatever
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 1: Weren't there rumors that the feud was kind of manufactured
Speaker 1: to get them both attention, But then eventually it became
Speaker 1: so real that there was like an incident at the Grammys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was an incident took the Grammys, where like
Speaker 4: maybe they got into a fight of some kind, And
Speaker 4: so there was always this sense around this that was
Speaker 4: this real? Was this manufactured by the producers? And certainly
Speaker 4: like the tabloids who at that time were running the
Speaker 4: world didn't seem to care.
Speaker 3: So the feud was everywhere.
Speaker 1: The feud was everywhere. But one of the things I
Speaker 1: read in preparing for this was that it's kind of
Speaker 1: an enduring mystery, right, like they've never really addressed what
Speaker 1: caused the actual break between them, because then they really
Speaker 1: weren't friends for a really long time. And recently they
Speaker 1: did this versus battle in twenty twenty. They did it,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember, yeah, And they said during that
Speaker 1: that they hadn't spoken in eight years.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, is our first time in the
Speaker 2: same room for hell long eight I think eight or nine.
Speaker 2: That's long done. That's too long. It really did become
Speaker 2: a real thing, but we still don't really know why.
Speaker 4: So actually this is a random side but Jessica Bennett,
Speaker 4: one of my doppelgangers, who was a writer for Vibe,
Speaker 4: I frequently get her Google alerts, and recently one of
Speaker 4: her Google alerts was an interview with Monica Wow, and
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, thank you.
Speaker 3: This is so useful. Anyway, funny, small world.
Speaker 4: But in this interview with her, Monica said, I wish
Speaker 4: people would stop putting the two of us against each
Speaker 4: other and stop attempting to compare who sings better, who
Speaker 4: looks better? Who I did the other one, because I
Speaker 4: never came into the space with the spirit of competition anyway.
Speaker 4: And I think that what we now kind of understand
Speaker 4: is that, yeah, like they were two really different people.
Speaker 4: Maybe they didn't totally get along, but like who cares.
Speaker 4: Artists don't have to get along. But the fact that
Speaker 4: they were these two young teenage black women who were
Speaker 4: operating in the same space created this storm and probably
Speaker 4: ultimately made that song do better.
Speaker 3: Like that song was everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an iconic every word me too, and I
Speaker 1: can never recite the words to songs. Like an ongoing
Speaker 1: joke about me with my friends is that I get
Speaker 1: every word wrong in a song, but I know all
Speaker 1: the words so the boys.
Speaker 4: To be clear, we had, in fact, thought about doing
Speaker 4: a whole episode on this, but it's too expensive to license.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I will say that there's obviously still a
Speaker 1: lot of interest in this because that Versus Battle I
Speaker 1: mentioned six million people tuned in it.
Speaker 4: Liah Kamala Harris, Oh my god, yes, she was on it.
Speaker 1: She appeared on the live stream with Monica and Brandy.
Speaker 2: I thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to thank you ladies, just you,
Speaker 1: plans you stars you.
Speaker 3: And did she like was she just a fan or
Speaker 3: did ye?
Speaker 1: She was encouraging people to vote, so it was a
Speaker 1: way to get out the vote, but I think also
Speaker 1: she is a fan.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: Okay, So there's another show that I want to talk
Speaker 4: about that Claudia Juliana sent in and I just remember
Speaker 4: occasionally this show would be on TV. It must have
Speaker 4: not been on cable because we didn't have cable, and
Speaker 4: so like when there was nothing else on, I would
Speaker 4: watch this show and I always hated it so much.
Speaker 4: And that show is Seventh Heaven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Seventh Heaven, which was objectively speaking, a pretty terrible show.
Speaker 1: When Claudia Juliana sent this in, she said that we
Speaker 1: should talk about how nineties TV was very into life,
Speaker 1: lesson messaging, and very Christian forward, and I think that's true.
Speaker 1: It was really the era of after school specials and
Speaker 1: this show, which I never watched, Touch by an Angel
Speaker 1: was very popular. But I did watch Seventh Heaven, and
Speaker 1: looking back on it is absolutely wild. It was about
Speaker 1: a minister and his wife raising seven children, so it
Speaker 1: was kind of Chris. Yeah, it was overtly Christian. There
Speaker 1: was so much like saccharine morality. Every episode was like
Speaker 1: someone had a secret or had done something wrong, and
Speaker 1: then eventually it was like discovered and solved, and then
Speaker 1: they each would get like a speech from either their
Speaker 1: minister father or his angelic blonde wife about how to.
Speaker 2: Do the right thing.
Speaker 3: And this is the show that gave us Jessica Bielle.
Speaker 1: Correct, it is the show that gave us Jessica bille
Speaker 1: And also, unfortunately, it is the show that gave us
Speaker 1: Stephen Collins, who played the minister Dad and turned out
Speaker 1: to be a pedophile.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, he confessed to sexually abusing underage girls,
Speaker 1: one of whom was ten, after audio of him talking
Speaker 1: about it in a marriage counseling session leaked.
Speaker 2: So he didn't even deny it.
Speaker 1: He actually said he had sexually abused three underage girls,
Speaker 1: but denied being a pedophile.
Speaker 2: So not a lot of people watch the show anymore.
Speaker 2: I think at that time it got pulled from rerams.
Speaker 1: But I will say that seventh heeven was one of
Speaker 1: the first major hits for the w B, which people
Speaker 1: may not remember, but it was a teen channel that
Speaker 1: went from nineteen ninety five to two thousand and six
Speaker 1: when it became Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 2: The c W. Yes, it gave us Dawson's Creek.
Speaker 3: And probably so many other shows, right, so many other shows.
Speaker 1: This was really like the teen cable channel, and then
Speaker 1: it merged with another channel to become the CW and
Speaker 1: then that became the teen channel.
Speaker 4: Okay, And actually it's funny that you say this because
Speaker 4: this is sort of like where we started this conversation
Speaker 4: on my so called life, which was the kind of
Speaker 4: anti After School teen special.
Speaker 1: Yes, this was exactly the thing that my so called
Speaker 1: life was trying to counter, but instead of lasting one season,
Speaker 1: lasted many seasons, and one of the critics actually said
Speaker 1: it was arguably one of the worst long running.
Speaker 2: Shows on television.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it was just like Christian propaganda essentially.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. I should also mention here that.
Speaker 1: There's this guy who's been watching Seventh Even and doing
Speaker 1: recaps on TikTok that.
Speaker 2: Are always going viral amazing and they're very funny.
Speaker 3: Wait, do you know his name?
Speaker 2: His name is Heartthrop So check out his tiktoks.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, it's like heart Throb Heart, but
Speaker 3: heart Robert.
Speaker 6: I'm rewatching Seventh Heaven. Please just listen to the plot
Speaker 6: this episode I just finished, where a white guy is
Speaker 6: a victim of racism. Simon finds a homeless girl on
Speaker 6: the street and he brings her home to keep her
Speaker 6: is a pet. This episode with a drunk ant is
Speaker 6: so good. Simon's friend has an older sister. Her name
Speaker 6: is Karen, and she isn't a gang white Christian problems
Speaker 6: of the nineties, So, you know, like.
Speaker 1: All good things, TikTok has found a way to make
Speaker 1: Seventh Heaven funny. It's never intentionally funny, but it is
Speaker 1: very funny to look back on.
Speaker 3: I wonder has TikTok discovered my so called life yet?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: these TikTok recaps are for shows that are ridiculous, and
Speaker 1: I hope that they are not making fun of my
Speaker 1: so called life.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: Although do you remember I guess I forgot like ten
Speaker 4: years ago on Tumblr the clar Dance cry face was
Speaker 4: a big meme.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I didn't.
Speaker 1: Know about the clar Dance cry face. I remember the
Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian cry Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, before Kim Kardashian to kryface, there's a very distinct
Speaker 4: clear Dance cry face. And I think that during the
Speaker 4: Homeland era this is going around, but it really started
Speaker 4: with Angela Chase. Oh you're feeling interested Google that there
Speaker 4: were so many good things that people sent in. We
Speaker 4: will probably do another episode devoted to them, but there
Speaker 4: were a few that we felt like needed honorable mention. Yes,
Speaker 4: so I'll start with the first one. This is from
Speaker 4: Tara Eleene and she this was cracking me up. She
Speaker 4: writes about the time that Tom Cruise jumped on the
Speaker 4: couch during his interview with Oprah about how in love
Speaker 4: he was with Katie Holmes.
Speaker 3: I know you remember this.
Speaker 8: I remember this, and I was watching it live, okay,
Speaker 8: and then this idea that he kind of like paraded
Speaker 8: her around and on People magazine and that party is
Speaker 8: like she was aprized, this is this is words.
Speaker 1: Well, there was also very obviously some tie to Scientology,
Speaker 1: like yes, exactly gotten divorced from Nicole Kidman, and the
Speaker 1: rumor was that he had essentially had Scientology audition girlfriends
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: So he went on.
Speaker 1: Oprah to convince people that his love for Katie Holmes
Speaker 1: was true. But he really overdid it and literally stood
Speaker 1: up on her couch and started jumping up.
Speaker 4: Because I was working in a newsroom then, and I
Speaker 4: don't think I watched it live, but it was played
Speaker 4: on repeat over and over. I mean that momentage like
Speaker 4: Freeze screaming him.
Speaker 3: He was so out of control, he seemed unhinged.
Speaker 1: So it really didn't do what he was hoping, which
Speaker 1: is quell rumors that it wasn't a real relationship. Another
Speaker 1: honorable mention we have here is from someone named Clerby.
Speaker 1: She was listening to our hig Yales episode and it
Speaker 1: made her think of the color red, the Lady in Red.
Speaker 1: She was curious when this color became the sexy color
Speaker 1: for women, and I think that's actually a really interesting topic.
Speaker 4: Also, I'm thinking of that song Red Red Wine.
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess there's a lot of red in
Speaker 3: a lot of places.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Lady in Red.
Speaker 3: Anyway, but yeah.
Speaker 4: Clarby notes that color theory, especially between men and women,
Speaker 4: could be a good topic for us, and I totally agree.
Speaker 1: Rebecca Carroll, who's a friend of the podcast, also messaged
Speaker 1: me to ask if we'd considered Blue Lagoon.
Speaker 2: And I've never seen Blue Lagoon?
Speaker 4: Have you? I swear that I have seen Blue Lagoon,
Speaker 4: but now I can't. I'm like conflating it with all
Speaker 4: of those other type of movies.
Speaker 3: Hold on, can we google it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's I think it's vaguely pornographic.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was like that Sexy water movie.
Speaker 1: Sexy Water Movie is a great way to put it.
Speaker 1: I think it's about two very young teenagers, like stranded
Speaker 1: on an island, but there's a lot of like nudity
Speaker 1: in sect.
Speaker 2: Imagine a boy who didn't know he had become a man.
Speaker 4: My heart's beating so fast.
Speaker 2: Mine too.
Speaker 3: It's okay, yes's rick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's definitely a topic we should probably explore.
Speaker 3: It someh Okay, this is coming back to me now.
Speaker 4: And I think Brookshields has since talked about this because
Speaker 4: she was so young and probably didn't have a lot
Speaker 4: of agency and how she was portrayed her.
Speaker 1: Actually, if you haven't watched the Brickshields documentary, which I
Speaker 1: saw I went to the premiere of, that is a
Speaker 1: great look back on her career from her perspective, and
Speaker 1: just like how she could never win.
Speaker 2: She was either always accused of.
Speaker 1: Being too sexual or not sexual enough, and that is
Speaker 1: just like a wild thing where people would openly ask
Speaker 1: about her virginity when she would do interviews when she
Speaker 1: was still a teenager. It just feels crazy to look
Speaker 1: back on. So that's a recommendation if you haven't watched that.
Speaker 3: And then maybe this is a good one to end on.
Speaker 4: But this is our friend Rachel Sklar, who is Greece obsessed,
Speaker 4: and I think we actually probably have to come back
Speaker 4: to this and like do more on and maybe she
Speaker 4: needs to make a guest appearance. But she talks about
Speaker 4: Stephanie on the step ladder in Greece too specifically.
Speaker 2: So funny.
Speaker 1: I don't really remember Greece too that well. I've definitely
Speaker 1: seen it, but I do remember Greece. I was obsessed
Speaker 1: with Greece. I wasn't allowed to see it when it
Speaker 1: first came out because it was considered too racy for me,
Speaker 1: so of course I just made me want to see it,
Speaker 1: and I just love this movie.
Speaker 2: There's so much to mine in it.
Speaker 1: There's like Rizzo, who is just like one of the
Speaker 1: best characters ever, and that song she sings that there
Speaker 1: are worse things she could do than go with a
Speaker 1: boy or two, Oh my God. And then of course
Speaker 1: there's the Sandra d transformation that she goes from being
Speaker 1: like sort of the sweet innocent girl next door to being.
Speaker 2: Like bubba ba boom.
Speaker 1: So I really feel like Greece has so many themes
Speaker 1: we could mind.
Speaker 4: I've now clicked on a link to Grease latter scene
Speaker 4: on TikTok and there's like hundreds of videos with women
Speaker 4: reenacting Steve Flatters stop Latters, so clearly we need to
Speaker 4: refresh our memories of what this scene actually is.
Speaker 1: Hilarious so I think that's enough for today, but we're
Speaker 1: going to do more of these. We really appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys sending them in. We love hearing from you. So
Speaker 1: keep telling us about the moments that you think about
Speaker 1: and that impacted you, and we'll keep sharing them.
Speaker 3: Susie, I'm really excited for our next episode. Can you
Speaker 3: tell us what's in store?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's an interview with one of my personal heroes
Speaker 1: and amazing editor, Jane Pratt, who was founder of the
Speaker 1: iconic teen magazine Sassey.
Speaker 5: People now talk a lot about that Kurt Cobain and
Speaker 5: Courtney love cover. Yes, I remember going into my meeting
Speaker 5: with the publisher and having to pitch Kurt Kobain as
Speaker 5: basically I've painted him to be like one of new
Speaker 5: kids on the block or Backstreet boys.
Speaker 2: This is in retrospect. Thanks for listening.
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