WEBVTT - The Mark Moss Show Dec 13, 2021

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome back. You are listening to the Mark Moa Show,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about bitcoin. We're talking about cryptocurrencies, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking about the decentralized revolution. We are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a revolution that is sweeping the world. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to bring this to you each end, every week.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be the most important part of your week,

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<v Speaker 1>the most powerful, the most profitable part of your week,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're literally witnessing, like I said, a revolution, a

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized revolution, a technological revolution that's literally going to change

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<v Speaker 1>the way the world works. We've had about five technological

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<v Speaker 1>revolutions over the last two d and fifty years. They

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<v Speaker 1>happen um about every fifty years, and we're witnessing one

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It's one of the key pivotal moments in history.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you study history like I do, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see that. You know, history books are written about key

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<v Speaker 1>points right where history changes, and history books will be

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<v Speaker 1>written about this point in time. And while you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the future is uncertain and sometimes it's scary, UM, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's scary anyway, UM, it can be overwhelming. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I also like to step back and appreciate the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we are literally witnessing this happening. We're living through it, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have massive opportunity in front of us. So, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen on a regular basis, thank you, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna make sure that I'm gonna make it a

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<v Speaker 1>priority to make sure it's the most important part of

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<v Speaker 1>the week. If you're new to the Markma Show listening

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<v Speaker 1>about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, then UM, pull out your phone

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not driving, and put a calendar reminder for

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<v Speaker 1>this channel at this time to come back with me

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<v Speaker 1>each and every week. Now, I try to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of things that I'm trying to do. One,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give you the education you need so

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<v Speaker 1>you understand what's happening with bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in this

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized revolution. You need to have the education, the education

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on? What is this? How does it work? How?

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<v Speaker 1>How can it make money for me? Right? How can it?

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<v Speaker 1>How can it saved the world? Right? So you need

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<v Speaker 1>that education base and education is so important. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you see people that win the lottery or

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<v Speaker 1>pro athletes that make a hundred million dollars, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rappers or musicians and they make all this money and

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<v Speaker 1>then they go broke. And the reason why they go

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<v Speaker 1>broke is because they got the money, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the education. And so if you want to participate

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<v Speaker 1>in this this revolution, in this wealth transfer, then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to understand what's going on. Now you can get lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>You can you can go buy some random meme coin

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<v Speaker 1>because one of your friends told you to, and you

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<v Speaker 1>might get lucky. And that's great and and I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it works out for you. You can also get lucky

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<v Speaker 1>buying lottery tickets, and you can also get lucky going

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<v Speaker 1>to Vegas as well. But it's not a good long

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<v Speaker 1>term strategy. You need to have the edge. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to have the education. And so I want to bring

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<v Speaker 1>you that education eagent every week and kind of kind

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<v Speaker 1>of help you build that base. I also keep you

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<v Speaker 1>up to date on the latest news and development, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know what's going on, so you know you're not

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<v Speaker 1>just being distracted by the price, but rather you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. And I keep you have to date.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, when you you know you go to the

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<v Speaker 1>go to the cocktail party this weekend, you can talk

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<v Speaker 1>with your friends and you can sound like you're the

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<v Speaker 1>smartest guy in the room. I'm gonna I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>that secret weapon for you. And then of course I

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<v Speaker 1>want to make it entertaining so it's fun while you're

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<v Speaker 1>learning these things. Today, I want to start off with

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<v Speaker 1>some good education that we have, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some of the big differences that are happening

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<v Speaker 1>in the cryptocurrency space. And there's a big difference between

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<v Speaker 1>UM how they work and how they achieve this decentralization UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's two main ways that's done through proof of

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<v Speaker 1>work and proof of steak. So I'm gonna talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit about what those means so you

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<v Speaker 1>can understand what that is, the trade offs, the pros

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<v Speaker 1>and cons, what are the differences of there. I then

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<v Speaker 1>want to take that and I want to dig into

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit into UM the proof of steak and

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<v Speaker 1>then what kind of use cases it may have UM

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<v Speaker 1>ways to look at that, and then we're gonna dig

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<v Speaker 1>into a little bit of defy. We're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this decentralized finance UM, and then we'll even talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about some n f T s. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a it's a big subject to dive into.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't have a lot of time, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go through some of this a little bit faster,

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<v Speaker 1>and then if I get some good feedback from you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll dig in a little bit more into each of

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<v Speaker 1>these subjects. All right. So that's what I thought we'd

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<v Speaker 1>cover today. Give you that foundation so you understand what

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<v Speaker 1>the heck is going on. Now if you're just tuning in,

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to the markma Show and we're talking about bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about cryptocurrencies, and we're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>decentralized revolution. So when we say decentralized, what does that

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<v Speaker 1>even mean. Well, it's the opposite of centralized, right, So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>most databases are all data based up and down now

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<v Speaker 1>are centralized. So Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, these are giant databases.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a giant computer that stores all the data in

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<v Speaker 1>a centralized database. Everything in the world is a centralized database.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also why you see these major hacks happening, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Experience was hacked. Everybody's information got leaked onto the onto

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<v Speaker 1>the web. Facebook gets hacked. Um, even the n s

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<v Speaker 1>A was hacked. And when they hacked the n s A,

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<v Speaker 1>they stole the N s as hacking software, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why we have all these ransomware attacks today. They say

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<v Speaker 1>it's Bitcoin's fault, Cryptocurrenci's fault. No, no, no, no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the NSA's fault. They're the one that got hacked. They

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<v Speaker 1>could have just told Microsoft to fix the patch, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't, and now we have this ransomware attack. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's a whole another story. Um. But so those are

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<v Speaker 1>centralized databases, and no matter if you have the best

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<v Speaker 1>security in the history of the world, like the n

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<v Speaker 1>s A UM in a in a secure building, with

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<v Speaker 1>the best I T team in the world, UM and

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<v Speaker 1>the best hypersecurity experts, you still get hacked. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>What we have the opposite is we have decentralized databases.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bitcoin was started as a decentralized database. So what

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean. It means that it's study and having

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<v Speaker 1>one computer with one database. Now you have hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands or millions of computers, each with their own copy

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<v Speaker 1>of the database. And then all of those computers, those

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<v Speaker 1>millions of computers be spread all around the world in

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<v Speaker 1>different locations, and they each run the exact copy of

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<v Speaker 1>the full database. And then in order for a transaction,

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<v Speaker 1>to happen, the databases have to achieve consensus. That means

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<v Speaker 1>they have to have fifty or more have to agree

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<v Speaker 1>that that is a valid transaction, and that's what creates

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<v Speaker 1>the decentralization. It would be kind of like if I

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<v Speaker 1>had a billion dollars. If I had a hundred billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars sitting in a bank account, there would be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people that want to break into that bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>Bank robbers would be planning and scheming to break into

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<v Speaker 1>that bank. And and if it was a hundred billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>they could spend a lot of money and time trying

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<v Speaker 1>to break into that bank because the reward would be

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<v Speaker 1>so high. Right, But what if I had a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>billion banks that each had one dollar in them each?

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmmm. See, now it wouldn't be worth anyone's time.

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<v Speaker 1>The cost to do the attack would be more than

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<v Speaker 1>the reward they could potentially get. Now you're starting to

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<v Speaker 1>get the idea. Now. Bitcoin is a lot of things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I talked about this on a regular basis. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of like digital cash, it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>digital gold. Um, it's sort of like a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But one thing we do know for sure is it's

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<v Speaker 1>the most secure computer network in the history of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>While all those other centralized databases have been hacked, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin network has never been hacked. As a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike the n s A that has an cybersecurity team

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, impeneture walls and all these things protecting it.

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<v Speaker 1>Unlike that, the Bitcoin network is completely open. It's open source.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody can see it, anybody can see the code. It's permissionless,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody can join it, anybody can build on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a trillion dollars of value sitting there in an

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<v Speaker 1>open network that's not guarded, it's not protected, anybody can

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<v Speaker 1>start programming on it, and it's never been hacked. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. It's never been hacked. And the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>is because it's a decentralized database. All right, So that

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<v Speaker 1>sets the foundation. Now stick with me. I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna I'm gonna dig into a little bit of technical,

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<v Speaker 1>technical stuff, but I'll try to keep it simple. So,

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<v Speaker 1>how do these databases achieve consensus? Remember they all have

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve better well, with Bitcoin, it's done via a

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<v Speaker 1>proof of work protocol, a proof of work, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's proof of work, and then there's a new

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<v Speaker 1>version that's come out with all these new protocols called

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<v Speaker 1>proof of steak, and there's a big difference, and you

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand what the difference is. Proof of work

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<v Speaker 1>is good for money. Proof of work is a decentralized database,

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<v Speaker 1>where proof of steak is more like equity. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>like a corporation um where you have these central players

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<v Speaker 1>that can control it. But I want to explain to you,

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<v Speaker 1>without going into super crazy detail, what the differences are,

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<v Speaker 1>what type of programs would work on each one, and

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<v Speaker 1>some pros and cons of each and then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get them to defy. What defy is how it works,

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<v Speaker 1>some dangers that you need to be watching out for.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I'm gonna talk a little bit about about

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<v Speaker 1>n f t s and some some real dangers and

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<v Speaker 1>n f t s that you need to know about.

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<v Speaker 1>I get asked all the time, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring this to you. You're listening to the markma Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course we're talking about bitcoin, we're talking about cryptocurrencies,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about the decentralized revolution. Trying to give

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<v Speaker 1>you the information, the education you need to participate to

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<v Speaker 1>profit from the largest wealth transfer in history. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about proof of steak versus proof of work, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back. Hey, welcome back. You are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Markma Show, and of course each and every week

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and the decentralized revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the most important part of your week because

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<v Speaker 1>this is the biggest revolution that we're witnessing. All the

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<v Speaker 1>humanity is gonna be changed, that's how powerful this is.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're currently we're talking about UM. Why, well really

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<v Speaker 1>what bitcoin and how this decentralized UM technology works. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was explaining, how do you have all these individual

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<v Speaker 1>databases and they achieve consensus? So the network has to

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<v Speaker 1>agree with each other, and there's two main consensus protocols.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bitcoin uses something known as proof of work Ethereum

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<v Speaker 1>also uses proof of work, but then a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these newer ones use something called proof of steak. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>people are proposing these proof of steak protocols because they

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<v Speaker 1>say they're more efficient. They don't use as much electricity

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<v Speaker 1>or energy that bitcoin does, and so supposedly that makes

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<v Speaker 1>them better. In my opinion, it doesn't. But what what

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<v Speaker 1>I think most people are lacking some context on is

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<v Speaker 1>that everything in life requires a trade off. Everything in

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<v Speaker 1>life has a trade off. Right, there's no such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as a free lunch. So in order to go from

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<v Speaker 1>a proof of work to a proof of steak, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it is less energy efficient, but what are the tradeoffs?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you giving up? All? Right? So I think

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to touch on that real quickly, and so

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<v Speaker 1>real quickly. Um, you hear the term blockchain, So blockchain

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<v Speaker 1>you could typically you could read any um it's called

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<v Speaker 1>a white paper, any white paper for any cryptocurrency that

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<v Speaker 1>there fifteen thousand of them, and as you're reading it,

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<v Speaker 1>you could just substitute the word blockchain for database. You

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<v Speaker 1>could read any of those papers and just substitute that

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<v Speaker 1>word blockchain for database, and it would read exactly the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. Now, in the Bitcoin white paper, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>reference the word blockchain. But the blockchain is basically the

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<v Speaker 1>database and every tent on the Bitcoin blockchain, every ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>a new block is added, which has thousands of transactions

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<v Speaker 1>inside of it, and it adds one block onto the next,

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<v Speaker 1>onto the next, onto the next. That's how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happens is you have all these computers that

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<v Speaker 1>are specifically made for this purpose. Um. They didn't used

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the beginning, you could do on your

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<v Speaker 1>home computer. But today they've gotten to be very powerful computers.

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<v Speaker 1>And this this powerful computer is now hooked in and

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<v Speaker 1>to the critics point, that uses energy, and it uses

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot of energy. It could cost two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>bucks or three hundred bucks a month to run this computer.

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<v Speaker 1>And what what this computer is doing is it's solving.

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<v Speaker 1>These millions of computers that are supporting the Bitcoin network

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<v Speaker 1>are solving a puzzle, and they're trying to solve this

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<v Speaker 1>mathematical puzzle to create the next block. So there's like

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<v Speaker 1>this feedback and mechanism, and like I said, they're created

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<v Speaker 1>about every ten minutes. And regardless of how many miners

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<v Speaker 1>are on the network or not, it doesn't matter. The

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<v Speaker 1>same amount of rewards will be created and released. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's important to understand about this is they all

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<v Speaker 1>do this in this decentralized way. Now, if a minor,

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<v Speaker 1>if one of these computers were to create an invalid block,

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<v Speaker 1>then nobody else, none of the other nodes in the

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<v Speaker 1>network would approve it, and that minor would have wasted

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<v Speaker 1>the electricity they paid for and so it's the incentive. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin changes the incentive structures. So UM show me the incentive,

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<v Speaker 1>I show you the outcome. That's what Charlie Monger says.

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<v Speaker 1>And so all of these miners are incentivized to be

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<v Speaker 1>good actors. I spent a lot of money on the computer.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent a lot of money on the electricity, and

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<v Speaker 1>so now I'm incentivized to put up good blocks, to

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<v Speaker 1>be a good actor on the network. If I don't,

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<v Speaker 1>then the electricity I paid for and the money I

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<v Speaker 1>spent on my mining computer would be wasted. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what's called proof of work. Millions of machines

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<v Speaker 1>using electricity to apply processing power to guess the answer

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<v Speaker 1>to a cryptographic puzzle that was left by the most

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<v Speaker 1>recent block. Right, that's proof of work. It's a proof

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<v Speaker 1>of work. We know the work was done. There's proof

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<v Speaker 1>of it because they spent the money. Now this may

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<v Speaker 1>seem like a waste of energy, but this is what

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<v Speaker 1>keeps the system decentralized, all right, the work itself, the

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<v Speaker 1>cost of the work. It's the arbiter of truth, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because in this case, there's no central authority that decides

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<v Speaker 1>what a valid block is so there's nobody there, there's

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<v Speaker 1>no central authority that decides at Instead, it's the longest

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<v Speaker 1>blockchain that wins and is recognized as the truth by

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the network based off that code. All right. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the more energy that bitcoin network uses, the more secure

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<v Speaker 1>that its latest transaction is against attacks. So we we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want the bitcoin network to use less energy. As

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of fact, we want the bitcoin network to

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<v Speaker 1>use more energy. The more energy it uses, the more

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<v Speaker 1>resistant it is to attacks. Now, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>uh tiny or actually say smaller block chains that are

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<v Speaker 1>not Bitcoin that have been victims to attacks. We call

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<v Speaker 1>them attacks. So a single entity could temporarily get control

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<v Speaker 1>of a bunch of processing power, so I can go

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<v Speaker 1>rent it. Right now, I can go rent the hash

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<v Speaker 1>power and for a few hundred thousand dollars or a

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<v Speaker 1>few hundred for a few million dollars, I could rent

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<v Speaker 1>that hashpower, that computer power, and I can attack a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller network by taking over majority of the processing power.

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<v Speaker 1>I could reorganize their blocks and do what's called a

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<v Speaker 1>double spend, basically, create my money, create money from than air.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, And and we've seen this happen over and

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<v Speaker 1>over and over with these smaller coins, all right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why this proof of work is important. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is also why there will never be another Bitcoin, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because when other blockchains try

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<v Speaker 1>to start a proof of work and set up like

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<v Speaker 1>what Bitcoin has done, they don't have enough miners, enough

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<v Speaker 1>computers supporting the network. There's not enough energy being used

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<v Speaker 1>to secure it, and they get attacked all the time. Um. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Like one good example is if we look at Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>and then in two seventeen there was a fork of Bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>and so bitcoin cash was spun off of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then bitcoin SV was spun off of that, and so

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are saying, well, bitcoin cash is

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<v Speaker 1>the real Bitcoin or Bitcoin SV, But both of those

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<v Speaker 1>other blockchains have one percent or less of bitcoin network

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<v Speaker 1>total processing power, all right, and they've both been hit

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<v Speaker 1>by these attacks by these reorganizations. In fact, if just

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<v Speaker 1>one percent of the Bitcoin miners decided that they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to just one percent of the mining miners and Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>decided they want to attack on either of those two

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<v Speaker 1>hard works, they could totally do it. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>true the other way. Bitcoin cash and bitcoin SV could

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<v Speaker 1>not attack Bitcoin because there're only one percent of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that shows you the importance of the network effects.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyone could copy Bitcoin, sure, they could fork it,

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<v Speaker 1>no problem, but they can't replicate the network. They can't

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<v Speaker 1>get the mining power that secures the network. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be like trying to copy, um, Facebook. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I could probably hire developer for you know, ten dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and build a very good copy of Facebook. But that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean I would have any traffic. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>they can get all the users to come over, right. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it would just be an empty shell. All right. Now

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<v Speaker 1>let's compare that to a proof of steak. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was proof of work. Hopefully that makes sense. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>trying to go to too technical, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you this rough overview. Now I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>say that this maybe doesn't matter that much. Um. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you're hearing my voice come over the radio. How how

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<v Speaker 1>is it that my voice from my studio is showing

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<v Speaker 1>up in your car or your headphones? Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>how that works? Of course the answer is no. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know who the Do you know who the developer

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<v Speaker 1>is that designed this radio system? No? Of course you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that either. So none of this really matters, UM.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think at a at a at an at

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<v Speaker 1>least at least a high level, it's a good idea

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<v Speaker 1>to understand this because there's a lot of confusion going

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<v Speaker 1>in into the space, and I at least want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you the two main you know, consensus mechanisms. You

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<v Speaker 1>can understand that by the way. You're listening to Mark

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<v Speaker 1>Moss the Mark mos Show. We're talking about bitcoin, we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about cryptocurrencies, and we're talking about the decentralized revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm explaining to you the difference of the two big

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<v Speaker 1>consensus mechanisms, the proof of work, which we just went

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<v Speaker 1>over with bitcoin, and then we're gonna talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>proof of steak is and what's being done with that

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<v Speaker 1>and how you should look at that UM again from

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<v Speaker 1>a high level. Then we're gonna talk about defy, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about n f T s and some

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<v Speaker 1>danger that you may not be aware of in the

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<v Speaker 1>n f T space, but I want you to be

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<v Speaker 1>aware of it. So don't go away. I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>right back. Hey everyone, welcome back. You are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mark Moa Show, and we're talking about bitcoin. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>each and every week, and we're talking about cryptocurrencies and

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the de centralized revolution. Now I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how bitcoin, what what what what the decentralized

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<v Speaker 1>technology is, and I'm explaining the two basic consensus mechanisms.

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<v Speaker 1>Proof of work, which we just went over, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what bitcoin a ethereum used today, and now we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about proof of steak, which is what a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other blockchains are using. And Ethereum is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to transition from a proof of work to a proof

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<v Speaker 1>of steak. Now, as I explained before the break, I

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<v Speaker 1>said that proof of work is a system where miners

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<v Speaker 1>compete with electricity and processing power to build the longest blockchain,

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<v Speaker 1>which then becomes the accepted blockchain and the digital blockchain

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<v Speaker 1>via a proof of work. Right, proof of work because

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<v Speaker 1>they to prove their work by spinning that capital um.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's proof of work because it's connected to real

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<v Speaker 1>world natural resources. So they're taking a real world natural resource,

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<v Speaker 1>electricity and converting it into a virtual asset. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>only thing that's ever been done like this in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the world. All Right. It's been operated as

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<v Speaker 1>proof of work since since it started in two thousand nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Ethereum is the second largest network out there, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also operated proof of work as well since the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>But as I said, a lot of new smart contract

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<v Speaker 1>block chains UM that have launched after that are now

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<v Speaker 1>using this proof of steak network. Now, proof of steak

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<v Speaker 1>is a system where holders of the cryptocurrency lock it

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<v Speaker 1>up or they quote unquote steak um not like you

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<v Speaker 1>eat but s T a k E. Steake their coins

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<v Speaker 1>and by staking their coins by locking them up, they

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<v Speaker 1>get to vote on the valid blockchain, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>get rewarded with more coins for successfully creating the new

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<v Speaker 1>blocks instead of like the proof of work, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>having to commit electricity, instead of having to actually put

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<v Speaker 1>money up for the electricity and the processing power to

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<v Speaker 1>create new blocks on the blockchain. Instead, all they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is staking their coins. They're putting them up without actually

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<v Speaker 1>giving them up. All right, now, proof of proof of

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<v Speaker 1>work or simple right, there's no need to punish these

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<v Speaker 1>bad miners. Remember, they're incentivized to do good work UM

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<v Speaker 1>because if they do it wrong, they lose their UM,

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<v Speaker 1>they lose the money they spent on electricity. Okay, easy

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<v Speaker 1>um that they lose it they self inflict their own wound,

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<v Speaker 1>and and so that that doesn't ever happen because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a tangible connection between the blockchain and the real world

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<v Speaker 1>resource of energy. But proof of stakes way more complex,

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<v Speaker 1>way more complex than I can get into in this

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<v Speaker 1>short segment. But there's no connection to the real world resources.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a disconnect, and the system needs a way to

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<v Speaker 1>punish the stakers that would improperly vote on the wrong chain.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's there's a very complex issue that doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any UM way to do it, and that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why Ethereum has been trying to move from

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<v Speaker 1>proof of work to proof of steak for the last

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<v Speaker 1>like four or five years and still hasn't been able

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. It's such a complex issue. There's obviously

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<v Speaker 1>other blockchains that are doing that, but they all have

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<v Speaker 1>their problems. I don't have the time to dig into

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<v Speaker 1>each one of those right now. But besides the larger

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<v Speaker 1>amount of complexity that's involved UM, the trust that you

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<v Speaker 1>have to give up so Bitcoin is what's known as

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<v Speaker 1>trust to lists. You don't have to trust anybody because

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<v Speaker 1>you can verify everything UM, but these are more complex.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have the trust and they have a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>attack surface. Um, the bigger issue is that proof of

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<v Speaker 1>steak is that it can be prone to centralization. And

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<v Speaker 1>the entire revolution is decentralization. What is the problem we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to solve. We're trying to solve centralization. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's it. We're not trying to manage supply chains better.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not trying to find a better way to buy

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<v Speaker 1>tickets from ticket agencies. We're trying to solve centralization. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the problem with of of steak is that's easy

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<v Speaker 1>to be centralized. The proof of stake system basically says

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<v Speaker 1>the more coins that I have, the more voting power

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<v Speaker 1>I have, and those with the coins are also the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are earning new coins from staking. Now, since

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to expend any more resources to steak,

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<v Speaker 1>then I can simply just increase my overall staking amount

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<v Speaker 1>as I earn ongoing coins from my own staking rewards,

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<v Speaker 1>which then exponentially grows my influence on the network over

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<v Speaker 1>time and forever. And because of this, network dominance tends

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<v Speaker 1>to lead to more network dominance. All right, so let

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<v Speaker 1>me explain. Let me let me use an analogy. It'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like a political system. Imagine a political system where

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<v Speaker 1>you get a vote for every hundred dollars that you have,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you also get paid a dollar by the

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<v Speaker 1>government for casting each vote. So let's say that you're

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<v Speaker 1>a school teacher and you have thirty thousand dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>net worth, So you get three hundred votes and you

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<v Speaker 1>earn three hundred dollars from the government for voting. You

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<v Speaker 1>have thirty thousand, you get three votes, and you earned

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred bucks for those votes. But then you have

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<v Speaker 1>just Jeff Bezos with two hundred billion dollars in net worth,

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<v Speaker 1>so he gets two billion votes and he earns two

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars from the government for voting. So now, in

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<v Speaker 1>this system and this type of a system, he would

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<v Speaker 1>be a more valuable citizen than the school teacher by

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<v Speaker 1>a factor of a million, and he would also be

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<v Speaker 1>getting paid more by the government for already being wealthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that sound like a system that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>live in, because it sure it doesn't sound like a

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<v Speaker 1>system I want to live in. The rich only get richer.

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<v Speaker 1>That leads to this centralization. Eventually, it would lead to

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<v Speaker 1>a consolidation of power where a handful of multibillionaires would

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<v Speaker 1>control all the vote votes and they would rule everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And if it gets too centralized, it kind of defeats

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of a decentralized blockchain. Right now, who who

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<v Speaker 1>has the most coins to stake right now today? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the people that create the blockchain, because they did

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<v Speaker 1>what's called a pre mind. So when they created the blockchain,

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<v Speaker 1>they gave themselves thirty, forty or seventy percent of the tokens.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might think you hold a lot of tokens,

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<v Speaker 1>but the creator might have. So guess what they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to stake the most, and guess what they're always going

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<v Speaker 1>to control the network? Sort of sounds like the central

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<v Speaker 1>bank system that we have today, doesn't it. Let's keep

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<v Speaker 1>going now, UM, I would That is why I would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of look at these as as different things. If

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at a proof of steak model for

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<v Speaker 1>UM a corporation, I mean, it's kind of like how

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<v Speaker 1>corporation works. Right. If I buy stock in a corporation, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I get a vote, and the more stock I have

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<v Speaker 1>than the more votes I get, and the more stock

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<v Speaker 1>I have, the more dividends I get paid on my stock,

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<v Speaker 1>which then means I own even more stock, which the

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<v Speaker 1>means I get even more votes. So like that works

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good. We kind of already have that model today.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see what's revolutionary about that. I mean, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of a stock that I have in my E trade account.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it's a token, But isn't it the same sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a system? Sounds like it to me. Now. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing you have to understand about money, like commodity money,

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<v Speaker 1>like physical gold, um is a system that's always worked

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<v Speaker 1>because the money has a cost. Um. Money that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a cost ultimately ends up being a being political

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<v Speaker 1>in nature, So the people that are closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>money have the most advantages, called the cancel on effect.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's a problem. Now, there's so much to

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<v Speaker 1>dig into here. I want to. I'd like to dig

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<v Speaker 1>into some of the importance of why this matters. But man,

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>we could just we could jump into so much some

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<v Speaker 1>of the technical difficulties here. There's a lot to dig into,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to. I want to try to skip

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<v Speaker 1>ahead here a little bit. Let's talk about um I

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<v Speaker 1>want to. I want to. I want to cover some

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<v Speaker 1>stable Well, let's talk about the decentral as a first, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So how important is decentralization, Well, it depends right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>in a ball market or in a time, in a

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<v Speaker 1>time when things are good and a time when there's

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<v Speaker 1>no regulatory crackdowns, when there's no drama any of that,

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<v Speaker 1>then it probably doesn't matter, right. Um. That's why Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street loves defy right and from a tactical sense, because

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<v Speaker 1>they can understand the idea of leveraging liquidity. They can

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<v Speaker 1>management exchanging, arbitrage and all these inefficiencies. They don't care

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<v Speaker 1>about decentralization. They don't care about technical details, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>But for cipherpunks, the creators, for people that are sound

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<v Speaker 1>money advocates like myself, those who care about censorship, resistant immutability,

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<v Speaker 1>and they care about the money supply being assured over decades,

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<v Speaker 1>over centuries that I could keep my money. Um. Those

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<v Speaker 1>who care about security laws, well they notice I care.

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<v Speaker 1>So Wall Street probably doesn't care. I care. Um. As

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying that the blockchain is basically an inefficient

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<v Speaker 1>data base, and so some users are willing to trade

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<v Speaker 1>inefficiency to ensure decentralization. That's basically tradeoff. So the tradeoff

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<v Speaker 1>is do I want it to be decentralized or am

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<v Speaker 1>I willing to and and and am I willing to

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<v Speaker 1>be be inefficient or do I want to be efficient

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and centralized? That leads us into defy and then that

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>leads us into n f t s. There's some danger

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<v Speaker 1>lurking and n f t s that probably you're not

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<v Speaker 1>aware of. And I want to explain to you what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. So don't go away. I'm gonna be right

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<v Speaker 1>back after this break. All right, welcome back. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mark Moss Show, and we're talking about bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about cryptocurrencies. We're talking about the decentralized revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about the difference in what makes these decentralized.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the consensus mechanism of bitcoin, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how Bitcoin and etherem today use what's called

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<v Speaker 1>proof of work, and how these new smart contract platforms

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<v Speaker 1>are using something called proof of steak. And I was

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<v Speaker 1>breaking those down for you. Now, if you've missed all this, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>just know that you can go catch it on the

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<v Speaker 1>catch the podcast this week you'll be be able to

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<v Speaker 1>hear this back. UM. You can just search Mark Moss

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<v Speaker 1>on my Heart and you can find the podcast. You

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>can listen to that. UM, because I've gone over some

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<v Speaker 1>important stuff, I can't recap it all. But I was

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<v Speaker 1>basically talking about the trade off of going fully decentralized

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<v Speaker 1>and being inefficient, and then being totally centralized and being

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<v Speaker 1>totally efficient, right, And so those are the two sides

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<v Speaker 1>of the coin, the two the two trade offs. There.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so much more we can dig into UM, but

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 1>we're kind of running out of time, and so I

0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>want to jump into UM something else. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>jump into some DEFY. I want to jump into some define,

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<v Speaker 1>jump into some n f T s, and maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>may have to bring these back for another show and

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<v Speaker 1>UM depend on some feedback, maybe we'll digging deeper. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's talk about D five for a second. So

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<v Speaker 1>UM DEFY as this stands for decentralized Finance, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's also n f T s and so these are

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<v Speaker 1>probably the two most popular mark contract applications that are

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<v Speaker 1>happening on these proof of stake platforms. UM. These are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, aside from just storing and transmitting value like

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<v Speaker 1>what happens on on Bitcoin, and DEFY includes decentralized exchanges

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>where then users can trade various tokens just between themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and it includes UM, you know, decentralized platforms for leveraging

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>tokens UM, so then users can then earn yield by

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<v Speaker 1>lending them out or they can pay yield to borrow

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<v Speaker 1>with collateral and then UM. What we've seen is that

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<v Speaker 1>many of them still have these very centralized companies that

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<v Speaker 1>run them. So you might have heard of unite swap

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<v Speaker 1>or compound or those are like decentralized exchanges or ways

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<v Speaker 1>that you can earn like either loan out or earn yield,

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<v Speaker 1>But both of these are centralized venture capital backed companies.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, they do have an open source code component

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<v Speaker 1>UM and you can kind of see that, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are backed by centralized VC companies. Now, n f t

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<v Speaker 1>s are what's called a non fungible token. So a

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<v Speaker 1>fungible token means one is worth one. So if I

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<v Speaker 1>have an old, torn up, marked up dollar bill, it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth a brand new dollar bill. One dollar bill is

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<v Speaker 1>worth the dollar bill, doesn't matter how old or what

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<v Speaker 1>condition it's in. One bitcoin is worth one bitcoin. One

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<v Speaker 1>ethereum is worth one ethereum. But an n f T

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<v Speaker 1>is a non fungible that that means one token isn't

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<v Speaker 1>worth one token. These are things like digital art UM,

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<v Speaker 1>unique game items, digital movie tickets, or UM. Things that

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<v Speaker 1>exist as unique items on a blockchain, and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of nuance in there. I can give me some

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<v Speaker 1>feedback if I'm gonna dig into it more. UM. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we have things like digital art UM. So for example, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>digital art doesn't really exist on the blockchain, but rather

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<v Speaker 1>there's a pointer on the blockchain that links to where

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<v Speaker 1>the image is stored somewhere else. UM. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like owning a signed receipt from the artist of that image.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got a picture from an artist and then

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<v Speaker 1>he gives you a receipt somewhere. Then we have unique

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<v Speaker 1>game items, and these would be like digital pets or

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<v Speaker 1>in game items or in game land or property. UM

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<v Speaker 1>could be a skin for your gun or a new

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<v Speaker 1>backpack or something like that, and they can be that.

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<v Speaker 1>These can be owned, they can be sold to other players,

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<v Speaker 1>or even removed from the game potentially at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe they could even go into another game. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's kind of where the future goes, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of my concerns is that the biggest use

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<v Speaker 1>case for decentralized apps is that a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>use case are are there. It's a circular economy, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all within itself. So let let's let let me give

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<v Speaker 1>an example. So Ethereum is heavily used for decentralized exchanges

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<v Speaker 1>of crypto tokens crypto stable coins that serve as units

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<v Speaker 1>of account for trading these crypto tokens, and then used

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<v Speaker 1>for lending and earning interest on crypto tokens, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a practice that is served as liquidity and borrowing sources

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<v Speaker 1>for traders of crypto tokens. So to lesser extent, it's

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<v Speaker 1>also used for gamified ways to earn or trade various

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<v Speaker 1>crypto tokens. So it's a big operating system powered by

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<v Speaker 1>crypto tokens for the purpose of moving around crypto tokens.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes sense. It's one giant circular economy. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>an operating system powered by crypto tokens for the purpose

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<v Speaker 1>of moving around crypto tokens. That's it. Now, a healthy

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<v Speaker 1>banking system in the real world would consist of people

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<v Speaker 1>depositing money and the bank's making various loans for mortgages

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<v Speaker 1>or businesses that would generate real world utility, not just

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<v Speaker 1>system powered by cryptotkens for the purpose of moving around cryptotokens.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. According to the largest blockchain analytics firm called

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<v Speaker 1>chain Analysis, DEFY is almost entirely a trading, leveraging and

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<v Speaker 1>arbitrage environment for institutional scale traders and professional whales, with

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<v Speaker 1>hardly with almost no individual rate reta traders being in

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<v Speaker 1>the system. So while all these individual people thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>defies the coolest thing in the world, you probably don't

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>realize that. The largest analysts company, Chainalysis, said that all

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<v Speaker 1>of almost entirely all trading leverage and arbitroed is done

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<v Speaker 1>on an institutional scale and professional whales. Um. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>saying that if you're playing a game of poker and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know who the sucker is the table, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the sucker. And unfortunately that's pretty much the case in

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<v Speaker 1>the DeFi space. You have institutions and professional whales that

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<v Speaker 1>are using this system and you're probably the sucker at

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<v Speaker 1>the table. So be aware of that now. The same

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<v Speaker 1>is also generally true for n f T s. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a huge um frenzy speculation around crypto punks. You might

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<v Speaker 1>have heard of that, for example, Uh, it's crazy that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's all of a sudden and art collector everyone's in

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<v Speaker 1>art collector all of a sudden. But the key problem

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<v Speaker 1>is that these types of n f t s are

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<v Speaker 1>very easy to manipulate. And this is what you need

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<v Speaker 1>to be aware of. This is the danger. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're into the Markmas show, we're talking about bitcoin and

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrencies and the decentralized revolution um and I'm just one

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<v Speaker 1>are the dangers of n f t s that they're

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<v Speaker 1>very easily to manipulate because each one has a unique price,

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<v Speaker 1>and because each one has a unique price, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to establish what the real demand is, what the

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<v Speaker 1>real market value is. Now, there's two scams that can

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<v Speaker 1>be done very easily, and they're done on a regular basis,

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<v Speaker 1>And I want you to be aware of these two

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<v Speaker 1>scams right um and And they're done most easily because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a fungible liquid asset. So the first scam

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<v Speaker 1>is to basically bit up buyer, bit up the asset prices.

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<v Speaker 1>So because I can create a bunch of a theory addresses,

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<v Speaker 1>I could buy an n f T, I can buy

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<v Speaker 1>crypto punk and I could I could buy it for

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a hundred dollars and I could sell it to my

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 1>other address for five dollars, sell to my other edges

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<v Speaker 1>for a thousand dollars, my other address for a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you buy it for me for one point

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<v Speaker 1>one million. But then there's no one else to buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the unsuspecting newcomer. You're the sucker at the table

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<v Speaker 1>because I created a market, or me and a bunch

0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>of friends created a market for this, and when we

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 1>finally sell it to you as an outsider, you find

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>yourself without a buyer. And it happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, you can't know there's there's it's very difficult

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to find out how this happens until you're the sucker.

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>You get stuck with this asset. So it's something to

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<v Speaker 1>be very very careful of. Another scam that happens is

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<v Speaker 1>to create a big loss to reduce tax liabilities in

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<v Speaker 1>a fraudulent way. Um. And so again you create several

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>wallets like I said, um, and you can link one

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<v Speaker 1>to your real name, and then all the other ones

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<v Speaker 1>are linked to an anonymous name. So then you buy

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<v Speaker 1>an n f T with an anonymous account that you

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<v Speaker 1>control for stay two hundred. You sell it to another

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<v Speaker 1>anonymous account for two and fifty. Then you sell it

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<v Speaker 1>to your real name account for five hundred thousand. Your

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<v Speaker 1>real name account then sells it to another one of

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<v Speaker 1>your anonymous accounts for two hundred thousand, which then locks

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<v Speaker 1>in a massive three hundred thousand dollar loss. Then with

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<v Speaker 1>that loss, you can write that off of your taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>Your anonymous account can then potentially sell it for roughly

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<v Speaker 1>what you paid for it the two since the market

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<v Speaker 1>value didn't change, but you can lock in that loss. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be clear, this is both illegal. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you doing either of these unless you like spending your

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<v Speaker 1>vacations in the prison with handcuffs on um. But these

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<v Speaker 1>are scams that are happening, and I want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be aware of them because I don't want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be the sucker at the table. Um. You might wonder

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<v Speaker 1>why some of these n f T s take off

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<v Speaker 1>like they do, and now you probably know why. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying that all liquid and price action is

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<v Speaker 1>a fraud, but like I said, these are things that

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<v Speaker 1>you should be aware of. I'm just doing my best

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<v Speaker 1>to educate you. Here. Public service announcement. Now you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mark Moss Show. Of course, we're talking about bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about cryptocurrencies, We're talking about the decentralized revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the different consensus mechanisms of proof of

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<v Speaker 1>work versus proof of steak. We talked about defile a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. We talked about n f t S a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. If you want to hear more about any

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<v Speaker 1>of these topics and want me to dig in deeper,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure to give me some feedback than that you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Mark Moss, and thanks for listening