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Speaker 2: at moodys dot com. Tony. Last week, you put on

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Speaker 2: your first mock draft since the All Star Games over

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Speaker 2: at sportskida dot com leading up to the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into the individual picks, we'll get into

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Speaker 2: all thirty two of them, and then we'll take your

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Speaker 2: fan questions as well. Right here. What was the most

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Speaker 2: difficult part of this for you doing your twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five mock draft?

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Speaker 1: Probably limiting limiting it to just two quarterbacks in the

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Speaker 1: first round because there's probably gonna be three, maybe four

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks selected in the first round. But when I did this,

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna look at the team needs. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go best player available all the way through until I

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Speaker 1: start to maybe get more news come combine that is

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Speaker 1: there a team late in the first round, maybe the Rams,

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Speaker 1: of quarterbacks in the first round was pretty It was difficult.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of teams that need edge rushers,

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Speaker 1: and stay on my board, not make any crazy picks.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes you have to go to what is perceived

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, I gotta imagine because teams always will reach

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Speaker 2: at the end of that first round, another team will

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Speaker 2: go around. In the quarterbacks, and then you have those

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Speaker 2: I think the issue with this draft. You're right, you

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Speaker 2: attacking those deep positions even though they know maybe later

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Speaker 2: that spot because the position is so deep. But at

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Speaker 2: that's on the board.

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Speaker 1: When you go right, or vice versa, you know, whenther

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Speaker 1: they say, well, maybe we better get a defensive tackle

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it. And we should know too.

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Speaker 2: This is pre free agency obviously, so team needs right

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Speaker 2: now are relative. Team needs can change a lot once

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Speaker 2: we get through the free agency period. Here, Tony, so

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Speaker 2: we'll focus more here rather than on team needs. We'll

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Speaker 2: period in the middle of March. All right, times number one, Tony.

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot of noise that they are not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's pre free agency. It's also pre combine,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, if you like the player, don't wait

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Speaker 2: because to your point, you don't know who's around next

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Speaker 2: you do not give a quarterback to Cleveland Browns, which

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Speaker 1: A couple of things. Number one, we're going to see

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Speaker 1: Garrett, I'm sorry, Miles gott I apologize. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: the next thing is is the deal I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Put you inside Tony's head here when we track these guys.

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Speaker 2: We said a lot of times you do last name

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Speaker 2: what bit Tony.

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Speaker 1: There or Tony just get has brain fox, so the

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Speaker 1: And I'm not even I got it written here and

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go pick them three for the New

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Speaker 2: and what's your rationale?

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Speaker 2: He thought on giving the Giants Travis Hunter, who you

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would be nice, but I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right. And then the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also they could also need help at cornerback.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think Will Campbell is worthy of going

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Speaker 2: Fair point. And by the way, Tony's mentioned a couple

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Speaker 2: of times our combine preview. Will era next Monday before

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Speaker 2: everything kicks off at the Combine. Then Tony Will and

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Speaker 2: I will be back the following week to talk about

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Speaker 2: everything that went down in Indy. All right, pick number five,

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Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars, Tony, you go with a very very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jaguars do not want to miss on this first pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right, then pick number six

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Speaker 2: the Las Vegas Raiders. You're not doing trades in this mock,

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Speaker 1: And he's just it's phenomenal receiver. I mean, he's not

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, let's go to the New York Jets

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Speaker 1: Makes a lot of sense. DJ Reid, who's probably the Jets'

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Speaker 1: that statement. He's not expected to be back. They bring

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Speaker 2: I have some questions there. Number eight, Carolina Panthers, the

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to pick number nine, the New

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Speaker 1: Badly needed weapon. I mean, they need help on the

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Speaker 2: Then you the Bears, Ben Johnson, the line's former OC.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the next selection, the forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers. They select Mikel Williams out of the University

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think with the Niners, edge is a primary concern.

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Speaker 2: Okay, pick number twelve the Dallas Cowboys, and this is

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Speaker 1: Go back to the Senior Bowl, when I reported on

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Speaker 2: Surprising, I thought they might try to go offensive line

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Speaker 1: Well, let me just let me just address that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Sports Skeeter from the Senior Bowl. They think that they

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go next selection, pick number thirteen, Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia. Third Georgia player in

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Speaker 1: Defensive tackle was a consideration here, but really Miami could

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Speaker 1: He's more than a safety. I mean you can play

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Speaker 2: Pick number fourteen the Indianapolis Colts. I think it was

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Speaker 2: a tight end Colston Lovelin out of Michigan. U surprised

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Speaker 2: maybe to some people that he's the first tigh end

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Speaker 2: off the board. That's a conversation we could certainly have

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Speaker 2: in another show. But Tony, you give Lovell and another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And Malachi Starks would have been the pick here

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Speaker 1: And you're right, I mean it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: he's a better fit because he's more of a past

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Speaker 1: Lovelan and Warren rated very close together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally so do I I did even though I

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Speaker 2: I watched both tight Ends back to back. I watched

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Speaker 2: And to me, I'm with you, I have them like,

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Speaker 2: that I use, And but they're just different types of players, right,

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Speaker 2: I watched both tight ends where he's kind of classifying

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Speaker 2: you a Kelsey Colston. Lovelin's a Kelsey Tyler, Warrens a gronk. Right,

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Speaker 2: Do you want the guy that's bigger, run after the catch,

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Speaker 2: So I think they're both good players. It all depends

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and block as well, and Warren's a much

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Speaker 1: And Loveland doesn't have a lot of good film from

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Speaker 2: And I'll say that's about Warren too. There's some like

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Speaker 2: you're on the point there, Tony Falcons. They're still in

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Speaker 2: an ever never ending search for an edge rusher Tony.

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Speaker 2: They try to find one with this pick with James

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Speaker 1: And it is kind of funny, right, I Mean, you

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Speaker 1: he shows a variety of moves. He gets out into space,

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Speaker 2: All right, then the Cardinals, they need playmakers up front

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Speaker 2: on defense, they try to select on you. With Kenneth

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Speaker 2: Grant defensive tack out in Michigan, the fourth of Wolverine

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't even count, but thank you for bringing

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Speaker 2: Ah, that's a nice preview for what we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: on the Combine Show next week, as Keneth Graham might

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Speaker 2: all right, Pick number seventeen, Tony Calvin Banks out of

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Speaker 2: Texas tackle guard. It depends on what scout you talk to, and.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals need both. So they need a left tackle,

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Speaker 1: they need an offensive guard. Granted, he can't play both

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Speaker 1: player with a high upside. Just got to get his

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Speaker 1: You watch Calvin Banks the early portion of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: Pig number eighteen a Mecca ag Buca wide receiver out

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Speaker 2: of Ohio State, first Buckeye taken off the board Tony.

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Speaker 2: They might tie or set the record for most players

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Speaker 2: numbers eighteen to the Seahawks, who already of Jackson Smith, Jigba,

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Speaker 2: another Buck Eye, and DK Metcalf, but you wanted to

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Speaker 2: give him another weapon.

434
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Speaker 1: Well, they may move DK all that. There's rumors that

435
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: they may move Metcalf in ufseason. We'll have to see

436
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 1: what happens there. I think with Abuka this is a

437
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 1: little bit earlier than I had on my board. Offensive

438
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: line is also in need for the Seahawks. I didn't

439
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: see any offensive lineman really worthy of being selected at

440
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 1: the point. At this point, I think with Abuka, you're

441
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Speaker 1: getting a guy who's consistent and safe. He's not spectacular,

442
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 1: but he's the type of rookie who can start early

443
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,200
Speaker 1: in his first year in the NFL and produce. I

444
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: don't think he'll ever be spectacular, but he's very dependable

445
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: and reliable.

446
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 2: I picked them in nineteen. The Buccaneers, they're trying to

447
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 2: redevelop that defensive line. Joining an edge player here with

448
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 2: Nick Scarton out of Texas A and M Tony. He's

449
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,160
Speaker 2: a guy that I'll talk to some people down at

450
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl. He did not participate there because of injury.

451
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: A lot of people thought he maybe put on some

452
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Speaker 2: weight going to Texas and m and I'm curious to

453
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Speaker 2: see what he weighs in down there in India at

454
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Speaker 2: the combine and just kind of what his body looks like.

455
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Speaker 1: Well, not only that, but what is your weigh in

456
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: at and what his testing, because that's both that's important.

457
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,439
Speaker 1: Guy puts on, you know, ten to fifteen pounds. Is

458
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Speaker 1: he the same athlete with the testing that he showed

459
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Speaker 1: on film? You know, the Buccaneers have one of those

460
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,960
Speaker 1: teams that they can't seem to find the formula for

461
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 1: the pass rushing, big pass rusher that they need. They've

462
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Speaker 1: gone and they've used a lot of early draft capital skeleton.

463
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Speaker 1: Is he's very athletic on film. I mean he's explosive

464
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: up the field. There are times where they play him

465
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: awful line of scrimmage on zohe blitzes and he moves

466
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: around while shows some ability and coverage or enough that

467
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: he's not a liability and coverage. So this and I

468
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Speaker 1: like his upside. I think Scourton is a good player

469
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 1: now that can be a real good player two or

470
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Speaker 1: three years down the road.

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Speaker 2: Then, mean le Broncos at twenty Tony they picked Tyler

472
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Speaker 2: Warren tight end out of Penn State. Any thought here

473
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Speaker 2: to maybe giving them a running back? They were kind

474
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Speaker 2: of punting pecking for a running back. Do you think

475
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: it was a little bit too early for that second

476
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Speaker 2: back to go off the board?

477
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Speaker 1: Way too early for that second back? I mean, could

478
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: they do it at Sean Payton? I mean not a

479
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was going to take bo

480
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: Nicks as early as he did last year and it

481
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Speaker 1: worked out for him. So yeah, could they go with

482
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Speaker 1: an o'marion Hampton type at this selection? Possibly because it's

483
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton, But they also need a tight end badly,

484
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Speaker 1: and I think Warren is a Sean is a Sean

485
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Speaker 1: Payton type of player, a lunch pale, punching him out

486
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: type of type of tight end that can do a

487
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Speaker 1: lot of things.

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Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, all right, let's go to pick number two,

489
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Speaker 2: twenty won the Pittsburgh Steelers. They like the draft guys

490
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Speaker 2: up front, Tony on defense, and they get one here

491
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Speaker 2: in Walter Nolan.

492
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Speaker 1: What do they do with the quarterback position? I think

493
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Speaker 1: this is an area where Jalen Milroe could potentially be selected,

494
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: but I think they need laid light the big playmakers

495
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: up front. That's what Walter Nolan is, especially on film.

496
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: He flashed it during the Senior Bowl. And there were

497
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Speaker 1: times during the Senior Bowl where you know he was

498
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: also stimied at the point of attack, but you get

499
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Speaker 1: him playing at his best, and Walter Nolan is a

500
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Speaker 1: guy who can play in at three man front and

501
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Speaker 1: still make plays.

502
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to pick number twenty two, Josh

503
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Speaker 2: Connery the Chargers. I assuming they're picking him, to move

504
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: him in the guard, right, Tony, because they have two

505
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 2: tackles in Alton Dershawn Slater already in hand, and.

506
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Speaker 1: That's exactly where I have, Matt. If you saw the

507
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 1: mock draft, they Josh Connelly at guard, I would have

508
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: preferred a tight end here. If one of those two

509
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: tight ends falls to the Chargers, I would have considered

510
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. But listen, what is Jim Harbaugh. What

511
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: is his m His mo is our offensive lineman? He said,

512
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: offensive linemen are a weapon you make Justin Herbert a

513
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: better quarterback by protecting him. And that's what Josh Connelly

514
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Speaker 1: does at guard for the Chargers.

515
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the Packers a pick number

516
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Speaker 2: twenty three, Ty League Williams out of Ohio State. It's

517
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: a very Packers pick. It's just a really good, solid

518
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: football player. Probably not going to be a star, but

519
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: he's going to be a good defensive tackle.

520
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: For you would have liked an edge rusher here, but

521
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: you look at Williams. What Williams has done throughout his

522
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: career to house date, through the season last year. You

523
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: watch him during the college football playoffs, which we talked

524
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: a lot about on this podcast. He's an athletic big man.

525
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: Going to be really interested to see how heavy heat

526
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: or high and I'll say heavy what he weighs in

527
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Speaker 1: at the during the combine the workouts. You know they're

528
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Speaker 1: saying three twenty. But if you watch the film, he

529
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like a three twenty pound defensive lineman on

530
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Speaker 1: the field he played. He looks like he's a you know,

531
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Speaker 1: small less the way he moves in his achility. So

532
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: and again I think for the Packer system, this is

533
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: an excellent fit.

534
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go pick number twenty four the Vikings

535
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: Benjamin Morrison, a cornerback out of Notre Dame. We got

536
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: to find out about the medicals with him Tony at

537
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: the comment. We'll talk about that on next week's show.

538
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: But a very talented player that some people had projected

539
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: in the top twelve, top ten before the season began.

540
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again the Vikings always looking for the cornerback.

541
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: Can't get that recipe right. You know you said it correctly.

542
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean you go back and you watch the film

543
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, and Morrison

544
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: was a lockdown corner I mean you could be They've

545
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: got another budding cornerback at Notre Dame. Now you got

546
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: to look at the you gotta look at the medicals,

547
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 1: the hip injury. When is your gonna be back? When

548
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: is he gonna be a hundred percent? The film was

549
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: also not that great this year. I mean, like will Johnson,

550
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: I think Morrison played hit played his better football a

551
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: year or so ago. That's also going to be something

552
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Speaker 1: to that's discussed.

553
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to the Texans at twenty five.

554
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: Derek Harmon out of Orion.

555
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: I would have liked the bigger defensive tackle. I think

556
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: Tyler Leak Williams. It would be a it would be

557
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: in the conversation here, But they do need a defensive tackle.

558
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: He's explosive, he's a playmaker, he plays with great leverage,

559
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: and I think Demiko Ryan's being a defensive minded coach

560
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: with pound the table for him.

561
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to pick number twenty six, Los

562
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: Angeles Rams. Linebacker, not an edge rusher, a linebacker. Jee

563
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: Hot Campbell out of Alabama.

564
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: Well, they have some good edge rushers there already, and

565
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: when with Sheared the first last year, you got to

566
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: kid Young from Tennessee who's a good player. So they

567
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: really need.

568
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: A regular no, if Tony, you're right, they have a

569
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: desperate need for a linebacker. They traded mid season Ernest Jones, right,

570
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: they traded mid season this year.

571
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: So well, former South Carolina right. And Johad Campbell is

572
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: the best off the ball linebacker in this draft. I mean,

573
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: we talk about linebackers and arrest the passler. You watch

574
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: Jehad Campbell and he's a guy who's making place sideline

575
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: to sideline in pursuit. He's the guy that can drop

576
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: in coverage. He's got some upside needs needs a little

577
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: polish on his game. But if you're looking for a

578
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: free down linebacker, who on third and six can cover

579
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: the tight end or cover the running back. It's John

580
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: Campbell and that's what the Rams need see.

581
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: If this even happen to the Ravens and Tony's fictitious

582
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: mock drafts, they sit at twenty seven and the guy

583
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 2: that could be the best left tackle in the draft

584
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: just drops to him and Josh Simmons out of Ohio State,

585
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: they're starting left tackle as a free agent. The Ravens.

586
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: We got to see if they bring him back. But

587
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: if they can get Josh Simmons at twenty seven, that

588
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: is an absolute steal.

589
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: And with Josh Simmons, it'll depend on the medicals. I mean,

590
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: when is he going to be ready to play? Are

591
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: they going to Josh Shimmons injury happened what the middle

592
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: of the beginning, middle of October? So when is he

593
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: going to be one hundred percent? How much of training

594
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: camp is he gonna miss? Is he going to miss

595
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: any of training camp? But like you said, if Josh

596
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: Simmons had remained healthy and basically was able to play

597
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: hesse at Oregon game and assist Ohio State through the

598
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: College Football Championship, he's probably the first I don't think

599
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: it is. He's the first offensive tackle taken and you know,

600
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: we're maybe talking about the Patriots selecting him with the

601
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: fourth selection of the draft. He was that good. But

602
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: it's not just the injury. It's the fact that not

603
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: playing the last two months kind of stunted the development

604
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: that he had showed a year and a half prior

605
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: at Ohio State.

606
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: Ronnie Stanley, that left tackle, that's a free agency. He's

607
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: had some injury issues too, so that'll be a tough

608
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: decision for the Ravens. Let's go to the Detroit Lions

609
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: Tony and we saw when Adan Hudginson got hurt this year,

610
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: they had a tough time generating pass rush without having

611
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: the blitz a whole lot. They're trying to solve that problem.

612
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: They select Mike Green, the edge rusher, out.

613
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: Of Marshall and this is another area, you know, do

614
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: they look at their quarterback of the future, But Mike

615
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: Green was just the higher rated than any of the

616
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on my board. Obviously we saw what he could

617
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: do with the singer ball. We had talked about him

618
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: on this podcast going back to September. He's an explosive

619
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: edge rusher, standing over tackle out of a three point stance.

620
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: It's got to get a little bit stronger, it's got

621
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: to get a little bit had some a bulk to

622
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: his frame that should come once he enters an NFL

623
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 1: weight training program. Compared to what he was doing at Marshall, Washington.

624
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: Commanders need desperately a help on defense, specifically in the secondary.

625
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: They try to get some here in Shavon Revel out

626
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: of East Carolina, Tony. If he was healthy, he could

627
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: be a top fifteen pick. He's not. Commander's get a

628
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: potential steal here, and he was all the way back

629
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: I think in September, right, so probably better chance he's

630
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: ready to go by the start of the year.

631
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Speaker 1: I think it was early October, and it was a practice.

632
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: It was an injury in practice. It was a I

633
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: believe it was a non contact injury and practice that happened.

634
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: You know, they took the kid from Mississippi State Forbes,

635
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Malcolm Forbes, who has not worked out, and I'm not

636
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: surprised by that.

637
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: I was never by He's not even on the roster anymore.

638
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: They could have last year.

639
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, with Revel, he's sort of a

640
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: mini version of Josh Simmons, although he's not as far

641
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: along in his game in Josh Simmons in a sense

642
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: that he's got great measurables. When you look at him,

643
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: he showed a developing game. I was more impressed with

644
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: him the beginning part of twenty twenty four than I

645
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: wasn't too twenty twenty three. Showed the ability to make

646
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: plays with his back to the ball. But again you've

647
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: got to look at the injury. When is he going

648
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: to be ready, and you know, not just when he's

649
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Speaker 1: gonna be ready health wise, when he's going to be

650
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Speaker 1: ready on the field. Is he going to be able

651
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Speaker 1: to carry that momentum that he showed during the early

652
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Speaker 1: portion of twenty twenty four through the twenty twenty five

653
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Speaker 1: NFL season and then.

654
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Speaker 2: Back to that corner is Johnny barn Out of Texas

655
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Speaker 2: Tony at number thirty to the Bills.

656
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Speaker 1: Carrie lomp has not panned out for him. The kid

657
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: from Florida, former for former first round pick Baron will

658
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: talk about because I know people have questions about him.

659
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: He's an opportunistic corner, needs some work on his technique,

660
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: but he is a guy that when the interception is

661
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: available or when the balls in the air. He's making

662
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: plays on the ball. Not the biggest guy in the world,

663
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: but a guy who just is a is a ball magnet.

664
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to the Chiefs at thirty one.

665
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: Watch that Super Bowl. You know they need offensive line help.

666
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: Tony arianta Ursii at of Minnesota, big man, big enough

667
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: to play tackle, is just a foot speed.

668
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Speaker 1: And I've said, and I said in my mock draft,

669
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Speaker 1: this is a pure need pick. You know, depending on

670
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: what Kelsey does, maybe tight end, they could have a

671
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: good need some help at the receiver. But you know

672
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: you got Joe Tooney left tackle. The other the kid

673
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: from BYU has not panned out that they selected the

674
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: second round last year. Wayna Moore from Oklahoma has not

675
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: panned out. They better, you know, if you want Patrick

676
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: Mahomes to have a long career and you want to

677
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: win more championships, you better protect the quarterback. So this

678
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: was a pure need selection. And as I said, sometimes

679
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are a bit unorthodox with their selection. Remember

680
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: the kid from Makansas State that they took in the

681
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: first round two years ago and he's not panned out.

682
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: So I mean it would not be surprising if the

683
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 1: Chiefs went in this direction based on their history and

684
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: the need.

685
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: And then the Eagles at thirty two they select armand

686
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: Membo out of Missouri. I'm not sure he's gonna get

687
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: this far Tony, given the dearth of tackles. But to me,

688
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: this is a real small move for Philadelphia. Right, they

689
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: haven't need a right guard mc Kaie Beckton is probably

690
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: not going to come back, and Lane Johnson's probably going

691
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: to retire in the next two years. It could be

692
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: almost like the Cam Jurgen situation. Right, you're throwing them

693
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 2: off the guard and then all of a sudden, Lane

694
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: Johnson's retires, You shift him out the tackle and you're

695
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 2: good to go.

696
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And people laugh when I said Jurgens wouldn't get

697
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: past the Eagles that year in the draft, and he didn't.

698
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: And look at the dividends, and we know one thing,

699
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman loves selecting offensive linemen. They do a great

700
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: job developing their offensive lineman. We'll see if Memo gets there.

701
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: I can understand why he would be selected earlier than this,

702
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: especially after those measurements at the Combine probably put a

703
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: lot of people's minds to rest about his ability to

704
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: play tackle. The question is, you know, do you think

705
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: he can play left tackle in the NFL? Or is

706
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: he strictly a right tackle? I would be leaning towards

707
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: the ladder right tackle.

708
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Speaker 2: Moodies is a proud partent of the New York Football

709
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: Giants Draft season has brought to you by Moods, uniting

710
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Speaker 2: the brightest minds to turn today's resk into tomorrow's opportunities.

711
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: Lordmore Moodies dot com. All right, Tony, we got some

712
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: questions in from the fans here. Let's get two of

713
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: them and we'll do another couple of these after we

714
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: get through the combine. This one from a nineteen twenty

715
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: five for I'm sorry, at nineteen twenty five Wrecking Crew.

716
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: What's the top three areas of need where best player

717
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: available could be in play? This is for the New

718
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: York Football Giants, specifically at number three, Tony. And you know,

719
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: I think when you're talking about best player available for

720
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 2: me that early in the draft, Tony, you're talking about

721
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: one of the quarterbacks, which is probably more need than

722
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: pure grade. But then you're looking at either Abdul Carter

723
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: or you're looking at Travis Hunter. Those to many are

724
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: the three spots where you're really making a call which

725
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: quarterback you like better? Then you have Hunter, then you

726
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 2: have Carter, And to me, they're a tier above the

727
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: next set of guys with you know, Mason, grand Tech,

728
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: McMillan and kind of the next set players.

729
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: You'd like to throw offensive line in there, because the

730
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Giants has struggled on the offensive line. But there's really

731
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: no I mean, Will Campbell is not worth the third

732
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: pick of the draft.

733
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent, all right, this

734
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: one from Big Blue Huddle. Want to know what Tony

735
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: is hearing about?

736
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: Where?

737
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: Where? And when he's at top five to ten? Ten's

738
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: a little tough where and when you think the top

739
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: five quarterbacks in this draft will be drafted?

740
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: Well, just based on my I mean, obviously Kim ward

741
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: Is I would say right now ninety five percent is

742
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: going to be the first pick of the draft, whether

743
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: it's the carol whether it's the Tennessee Titans, whether it's

744
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: a team that trades up with the Titans. But I

745
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: would be shocked if he's not the first selection of

746
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: the draft. Shador Sanders, I mean, could he slide past

747
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: the Giants? Possibly? He watched the door Sanders and we'll

748
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: talk about this as the combine. The fundamentals are not good,

749
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: but he's incredibly athletic. He's got upside and coaches are

750
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: going to try and you know, coach coach him to

751
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: his best. That's why they're football coaches. But I would

752
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: be surprised. I mean, I think it would be manna

753
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: from heaven for the Raiders if Shad Door Sanders slid

754
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: to seven. I don't think that happens.

755
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 2: So, all right, let's go to Marty Jenneire. So, Tony,

756
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: what are your opinions on the three players coming out

757
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: of Syracuse. Colum McCord, Aronde Gads in the third and

758
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: then they're running back to.

759
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: La Quinn Allen. Thank you, right, I love two of them.

760
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: I think Laquin Allen and Ronde Gatson are just insanely underrated.

761
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean la Quinn Allen he is a tough between

762
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the tackles, downhill ball carrier, but he's also a sensational

763
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: pass catcher out of the backfield. I mean a sensational

764
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: pass catcher out of the backfield. He'd be a good

765
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 1: fit for the you know, the Miami Dolphins who need

766
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: a bigger, powerful guy to you know, to work with

767
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: h On the kid from Texas A and m the

768
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: game breaker that they had that they selected a couple

769
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: of years ago. And he's also Allen is a terrific

770
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: pass catcher out of the backfield. I think he's going

771
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: to be underdrafted in the sense that he's probably an

772
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: early Day three pick who should be a Day two selection.

773
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: Arondez Gatson. I just did my report on Rondez Gadson

774
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: and I said it wouldn't shock me if two or

775
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: three years down the road, Rondez Gatson is the best

776
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: tight end to come from this class. He's as he's

777
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: much more natural catching the ball than any of the

778
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: top the Dean Roya. He's as natural as Colston Lovelin

779
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: at Tyler Warren. He definitely has a speed advantage. I

780
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: mean he's the former receiver. His measurements at the Shrine

781
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: bowler what two hundred and forty seven pounds, arms that

782
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: were over thirty three inches, hands that were almost ten

783
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: inches and when we were a try and bol practice,

784
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean he looked like a receiver playing the tight

785
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: end position. Now he's got to learn.

786
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: People got his dad, He's the thing.

787
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: He's got the blood lines right now, he's got to

788
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: learn the block. But he's two hundred and forty seven pounds,

789
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: and I go back to what I said earlier. You know,

790
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: if you put on ten to fifteen pounds, how do

791
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: you move? He looked like he was a two hundred

792
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: and thirty pounds two and twenty five pounds, you know,

793
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: oversize receiver catching the ball, which is why I think

794
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: he's going to be a Day two pick. I have

795
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: him as a second round selection, but I think in

796
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: time wouldn't be surprised if he's the best tight end

797
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: to come from the twenty twenty five draft, if he's

798
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: developed correctly, if they coaching correctly. Kyle McCord. I spent

799
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: time with Kylin McCord at the Shrine ball. He's a

800
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: good guy. He's an honest guy. We talked about his

801
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: history of Ohio State. When you look at it from

802
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: a physical point of view, Kyle McCord ranks with the

803
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks in this draft as far as his size,

804
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: his arm strength, his ability to get the speed on throws.

805
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: The thing about Colin McCord that scares me is he

806
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: never sends his backside pressure and he's very slow to

807
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: move his head from the primary target. That was a

808
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: big problem at Ohio State, which he kind of improved

809
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: because Ohio State he would just lock onto the primary

810
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: target and not move his head. Sometimes those things can

811
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: be coachable. I think Kyle McCord has done a great

812
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: job this year. He rebounded well after a four season

813
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: Ohio State. He rebounded well during the season. I mean,

814
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: he had that five interception game against Pittsburgh. He came back.

815
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: I think they won five of the next six games.

816
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: He's got a lot of upside. I just think he

817
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: needs a lot of a lot of proper coaching to

818
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: get the batter aspects staring down the primary target and

819
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: not sensing the backside pressure out of the way. That

820
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: can be tough though. All Right.

821
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: This one from Big Dogs thirteen eighteen, Tony. If you're

822
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: the Jets general manager and Tony did not get selected

823
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: out of that hiring process a couple of weeks ago, Tony,

824
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: Mike condolences to you. Will Johnson and Mason Graham are

825
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: both available at seven, along with any offensive tackle you

826
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: want in the draft. Who are you taking?

827
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: Why I'm not taking Will Johnson there because I mean

828
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: the Jets helpfully have their left tackle of the future

829
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: Will Campbell. Well, camp I'm sorry, I'm not taking Will

830
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: Campbell because I don't know Will Campbell can play right tackle.

831
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: The Jets hopefully have their left tackle of the future

832
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: from last year's draft. I would lean towards Mason Graham,

833
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: but I think with Aaron Glenn being a former cornerback

834
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: in the needed cornerback with the DJ Reed the leaving,

835
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: I think that they would take that, they would lean

836
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: towards Will Johnson and I you know, he says the

837
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: general manager. One of the reasons Mooie was brought in

838
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: was because he could work with UH with Aaron Glenn,

839
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: sort of what you got have going on in Houston

840
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 1: with the head coach to Meeka Ryan and Nick Saesaria

841
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: where they work together. So I don't think in New

842
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: York with the Jets anyway, it's gonna be a situation

843
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: where the general manager is basically going to have the

844
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: file say this is my guy. I don't care what

845
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: the head coach wants.

846
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: And I think that's how I worked in Detroit too, right,

847
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: the head coach in a GM very much in Unison

848
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: there with the players they selected, which where Aaron Glenn

849
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: came from So I think that's another good way to

850
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: see how that might work. All right, This one from

851
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: at Eli manning Hof. Since the player is more apt

852
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: to be injured the more snats he plays, what's the

853
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: point of having Travis Hunter play on both offense and defense.

854
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: If he sits due to injury and you had him

855
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 2: playing both ways, don't you really lose two players as

856
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: a result. So I'll just start by saying this, He's

857
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: never going to be a full time player on both sides.

858
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen in the NFL. Zero chance of

859
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: that happening. It's impossible. Just the way meetings you're structured,

860
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: practice is structured. He can't practice both, So that's not

861
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: gonna happen. So I think full time corner, part time

862
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Speaker 2: wide receiver is the most likely Tony. I know you

863
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Speaker 2: might see it a little bit differently, Bubbo. You want

864
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: your best players to help your team as much as possible.

865
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: You can't run scared dude injuries.

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00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: I think what's gonna happen is exactly what you said

867
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: will happen. But I think if he really takes off

868
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: at one position. If I'm wrong and he takes off

869
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: as a cornerback. Well, he's going to be more of

870
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: a full time cornerback than he is a receiver, and

871
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: maybe they put him in special packages at the receiver position. Likewise,

872
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: if he develops incredibly well at the receiver position, well

873
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: maybe he now is a dinback on occasion in the

874
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: defensive backfield on certain situations.

875
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: All right, and why football Jins fan, what are the

876
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: differences Tony for you between Jack Besh and Isaiah Hodgens.

877
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: They seem like similar players. Yeah, what I mean, Besh

878
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: is a better more of a he's a better athlete

879
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: and not as big as Hodgens. But they both have

880
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: really good hands, and they.

881
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Both have the same sort of mentality, the same I'm

882
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: going to go get the football. You know, it doesn't

883
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: have to be a perfect pass. I'm going to go

884
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: up in a crowd and I'm going to come away

885
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: with the with the with the reception no matter what.

886
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: Sacrifice my body in a crowd or you know, take

887
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: a pounding and hold on to the football. They're also

888
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: both very smart. You know, it's not just running routes,

889
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: it's recognizing coverages, coming back to help the quarterback, following

890
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: the quarterback across the field, which they both do well.

891
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: All right, this one from at n Hasting one is

892
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 2: Abduall Carter closer to Michaeh Parsons or Caveon Thibodeau heard

893
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: some from Penn State, heard from some Penn State fans.

894
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: It's the latter, not the former.

895
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: Which Abdul Carter are we talking about? Are we talking

896
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: about the Abdul Carter in twenty twenty four? The Abdul

897
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: Carter in twenty twenty three. I could understand that opinion

898
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: that he's more cave On Phibideaux based off the twenty

899
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: twenty four film. Now, if you watch the show regularly,

900
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: which we hope you do, you go back really when

901
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: we started the season, I said, all along, I thought

902
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: they were doing Abdull Carter, and I said, a couple

903
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: of times, a disservice they being Penn State by using

904
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: him as a defensive end, because he's so much more

905
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: than that. You go and if you just watch this year,

906
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: you can make that comparison to Keevon Thibodeaux. You go

907
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: back to twenty twenty three, where he was more of

908
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: a pure linebacker who would occasionally rush the passer, not

909
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: coming out of a three point stance. You say, wow,

910
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, because you know, go back to what I

911
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: said about Jalen Walker during the mock draft. Can play

912
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: off the line, sideline to sideline range, can play and coverage.

913
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: We just didn't see that in twenty twenty four because

914
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: of the scheme that Penn State employed and they used

915
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: him up at the line of scrimmage, oftentimes out of

916
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Speaker 1: a three point stance.

917
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: All right, now, we got last question at Mets MAVs

918
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: nine to ten. Strange off season from Mets MAVs. They

919
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 2: lose Luka Doncic, but they do get all Wan Soto,

920
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: so he's had some some some good, some bad there

921
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 2: for Mets MAVs. DJ Daniel Jeremiah is Monk Draft a

922
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: few weeks ago had Will Johnson at fifth team, later

923
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: than Jade Baron, and his blurb said that Johnson is

924
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: polarizing amongst NFL teams. What Tony, are you hearing regarding

925
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: Johnson and what are the chances he's not the first

926
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: cornerback taken off the board.

927
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: Well, he had some Lady's season injuries, so you got

928
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: to check that out. Nothing major, But go back to

929
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Speaker 1: what I said about dual Carter, I mean Johnson's twenty

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00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: twenty three film. And I even said this when in

931
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Speaker 1: the mock draft. His twenty twenty three film is a

932
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Speaker 1: lot better than his twenty twenty four film. He watched

933
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. He was backed off the line of scrimage.

934
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Speaker 1: He gave up a lot of underneath receptions. I think

935
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen is the general managers, coaches, et cetera.

936
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Speaker 1: Will talk to the college coaches. So and I know

937
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: a lot of giant fans are going to cringe when

938
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Speaker 1: I say this name. When they talked to Wink Martindale

939
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: to find out what was the situation with Will Johnson?

940
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Was he just playing football? Excuse the expression, half asked,

941
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: or was it a scheme thing where you specific had

942
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: him backed off that that far from the line of scrimmage.

943
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: That will be the determining factor.

944
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Speaker 2: Tony, good times. We're gonna have our combined preview next week.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good job.

946
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Speaker 2: To Tony Pauline from sports Key to check out all

947
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Speaker 2: his work. I am John Schmolke. It's Draft Season presented

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Speaker 2: by Moody's. We'll see you next time. Everybody