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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tickets the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Logan Paulson here with just a guy, Jason and

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Speaker 2: It's twelve thirty in the morning and we've got the

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Speaker 2: pick for the Washington Panders.

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Speaker 1: It is in.

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Speaker 2: It's Josh Connerly Man and I am It was interesting,

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Speaker 2: you know, like when I saw the name flash up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. There's been times in the past where

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Speaker 2: I've kind of I felt my heart sink, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I really don't like that player, but I felt like

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Speaker 2: this kind of warmth joy wash over me because I

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Speaker 2: really like the ceiling of that player, like the floor

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Speaker 2: of the player. And at twenty nine to get a

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Speaker 2: player like Josh Connerly feels like an amazing move by

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Speaker 2: Adam Peters and just being patient with your draft board.

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Speaker 3: Yeahbsolutely the tackle from Oregon. He look, you know what

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Speaker 3: I've been saying for a long time now, I know,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of hot, taky, and it's like a little

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Speaker 3: bit that I do. But lineman and quarterbacks, like, that's

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Speaker 3: how you really build in a draft, I think, and

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Speaker 3: then you can figure everything else out through free agency

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Speaker 3: and trades and whatnot. But you can never have enough lineman.

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Speaker 3: And when you are picking in the back of twenty

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Speaker 3: nine and you're waiting for things to fall to you,

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Speaker 3: there's nothing better than picking a solid offensive lineman, which

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Speaker 3: is exactly what Connor Lee is. So it's not a

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Speaker 3: sexy pick, right, there were a lot of well I

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Speaker 3: know you do. There are a lot of sexy players

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Speaker 3: that were out there, Like the Mike Greens of the world.

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Speaker 4: We're sitting at they talk about the yeah, absolutely, let's go.

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Speaker 2: So like I think, so the couple guys that are

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Speaker 2: still on the board that I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: fans are like, why didn't we take this player? So

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Speaker 2: we got Will Johnson, we got Mike Green, we got

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Speaker 2: Josh Shimmons. Okay, And it's funny during throughout the process,

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Speaker 2: tangentially on all of those players, I heard some type

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Speaker 2: of off field character concern and you know, as you know,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about this all the time. It could be

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Speaker 2: their twenty two and so you don't know the degree

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Speaker 2: of character concern.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to be clear, like we're the only thing

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Speaker 3: that we get out of this draft process that we're

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Speaker 3: able to do is watch the tape, right and then

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Speaker 3: go see them in person, look at the combine and

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Speaker 3: their measurements.

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Speaker 4: Like that's really all we can do. But that's what

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Speaker 4: all these visits.

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Speaker 3: Are for, and what the interviews that the combine are

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Speaker 3: for is that they start and then they go when

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Speaker 3: they talk to scouts that are area scouts that go

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Speaker 3: up and they talk to the janitor, like you like

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Speaker 3: to say, like the actual coaches, you get the real

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Speaker 3: story on these kids. We're not privy to any of

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Speaker 3: that information. So normally on draft night, like you said, Logan,

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Speaker 3: and leading right up to it, you start getting these

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Speaker 3: whispers of like, oh, this kid's this, this kid's that,

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Speaker 3: and then well, we don't know any of that, but

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Speaker 3: then it seems like the teams kind of picks up

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Speaker 3: to when some of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I think the uh And that's something that

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Speaker 2: I've learned over the years of covering the draft. When

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Speaker 2: you see good football players like Will Johnson's film from

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three is good. You had nine ers options, right,

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best cornerbacks in the country. When

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Speaker 2: you start seeing a slide like that. Mike Green led

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Speaker 2: the FPS in sacks. When you see him slide, Josh Simmons,

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Speaker 2: when you see him slide, he's one of the best,

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Speaker 2: most athletic offensive linemen in football. They all have questions, right,

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Speaker 2: some of it's off field stuff, some of it's injury related,

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Speaker 2: and so when fans some.

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Speaker 4: Of it could be nothing. It's true, Like, that's true too, It's.

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Speaker 1: True, it's a hundred. But I'm just saying, like it's funny.

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Speaker 2: How like twenty four hours before I start making calls,

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Speaker 2: Like I make a couple of calls, talk to a

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Speaker 2: couple of friends, and all of a sudden, there's this

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Speaker 2: how serious it is. But I think when you see

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Speaker 2: this type of slide for really talented football players, the

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Speaker 2: NFL is telling you that it's something that a lot

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Speaker 2: of teams aren't super comfortable with. And I think so

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Speaker 2: when like in the chat, for example, while we're doing

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Speaker 2: our show, people are like, let's take Will Johnson, Let's

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Speaker 2: take Mike Green, let's you know, all these football players,

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Speaker 2: and again the tape supports that. So if that's all

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Speaker 2: you're watching, that's what you get. But I trust that

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Speaker 2: Adam Peters has done his due diligence with the Scouts,

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Speaker 2: with the you know, the assistant GM Lance New Market,

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Speaker 2: They've done their due diligence and for whatever reason, say, hey,

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Speaker 2: these guys don't fit that commander tag. But I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you one guy who does, and it's Josh Connery.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's what that's ultimately it, right, the commander

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Speaker 3: at tag, Like, we're still trying to build something here. Right,

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Speaker 3: We're in year two of the dan Quinn Adam Peters

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Speaker 3: in the infant stages hopefully, which means you're still building, right,

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Speaker 3: So you're not gonna look, there are teams that have

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Speaker 3: been around forever. The Patriots used to do this. They'll

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Speaker 3: take a risk on a guy that maybe there's a

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Speaker 3: question mark because the culture is built, the Patriot way

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Speaker 3: has already been established, and you got guys like Tom

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Speaker 3: Bruskis that are like gonna keep those kids in line

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Speaker 3: and they're gonna help them mature along the way. While

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Speaker 3: we have some of that here, it's not fully it's

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Speaker 3: one year, right, So you're gonna pick a guy that

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Speaker 3: what is dan Quinn always say he wants one's a

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Speaker 3: guy that loves the game and just wants to compete, right,

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Speaker 3: And that's what Yeah, by all intensive purposes, that's what

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Speaker 3: you're getting from conner Lee. Now let's talk about the

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Speaker 3: tape with him. So why did he fall to this point?

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Speaker 3: And then why is he a good pick? So, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to give an opinion on whether the

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Speaker 3: pick was good or not at twenty nine because I

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Speaker 3: don't know how these things kind of work, but I

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Speaker 3: can say that, like it feels like through the evaluation

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Speaker 3: process that a player this caliber, it feels like it's

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Speaker 3: right in where you would expect him to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so obviously Josh Connerley, like we're really excited

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Speaker 2: about him, but he's not a perfect prospect. He's a

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Speaker 2: first round talent, there's no doubt in my mind. And

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Speaker 2: so like you know, he kind of is in that

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Speaker 2: tier three four for me, so like kind of borderline

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Speaker 2: first round, like basically after fifteen basically to forty is

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Speaker 2: And so if he went at forty, I would have

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Speaker 2: been a surprise, And if he went at fifteen, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have been surprised, because that's the kind of athlete

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Speaker 2: he is. And so when you look at the film,

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Speaker 2: look at the measurables. He's six', five, right so check

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Speaker 2: the hype box for. Tackles, right he's got a great.

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Speaker 2: Wingspan it's over eighty. Inches, right he's three hundred and twenty.

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Speaker 2: Pounds he ran a sub five flat. Forty just for some,

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Speaker 2: lot with athletic. Success in THE, nfl he had the

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Speaker 2: fastest ten for an offensive lineman at the.

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Speaker 1: Combine he.

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Speaker 2: Jumped, well he's got thirty four and a half inch,

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Speaker 2: Arms so that length thing to play the position that

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Speaker 2: we always talk about super. Important and then when you

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Speaker 2: watch the film of him At Ohio state Or, oregon excuse,

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Speaker 2: me it's been a long.

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Speaker 2: Right he understands, angles he sets really, well he understands

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Speaker 2: timing of the, punch and he's quick and.

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Speaker 1: Explosive off the.

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Speaker 2: Football so WHEN i look at offensive lineman, Again i'm

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Speaker 2: looking for, athletes and so he was immediately a guy

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Speaker 2: THAT i circled really early in the process as a

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Speaker 2: guy that has like that has this, ceiling, right we

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Speaker 2: talk about the kind of the you, know The Will,

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Speaker 2: campbell's The Armann, membus the, banks and then you kind

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Speaker 2: of get into a no man's, land AND i felt

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Speaker 2: Like connory With Josh, simmons and again the off field

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Speaker 2: stuff and the injury stuff whatever that looks like makes

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Speaker 2: him a hard person to kind of negotiate. Here But

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Speaker 2: connorley was the next guy for, me and he's ahead

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Speaker 2: of guys like you, Know Arianta harristory for minnesot because

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Speaker 2: he can, move because he's, dynamic AND i think About

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Speaker 2: Cliff kingsbury, offense, Right so first, Off connelly can pass,

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Speaker 2: can play in multiple, schemes, right play multiple, Positions AND

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Speaker 2: i think that's really where.

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Speaker 1: The value is. Here he's like a very high floor

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Speaker 1: because he's got some positional.

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Speaker 2: Flexibility AND i think, ALSO i say the guy and

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Speaker 2: one of the things That Adam peter said he came

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Speaker 2: right after he made the, pick came in here interviewed

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Speaker 2: with Me, Be Mitch santana And Brian, colbert.

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Speaker 4: And when check it out on the YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Page, yeah check it on the YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Page and one of the things that the first thing

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Speaker 2: he said is like he came to the thirty, visit

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Speaker 1: Him we saw him at The Senier. Bowl we love the. Person.

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Speaker 2: Right the area of scouts sit on the table for

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Speaker 2: him and everybody fell in love with him as a human.

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Speaker 2: Being AND i think that's ultimately where you. Lie all

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Speaker 2: the measurable stuff checks out and then you love the.

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Speaker 2: best player available means in this, situation absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah and he had the fastest ten yard split

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Speaker 3: for an offensive linement at The combine this, year and that,

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Speaker 3: SPEED i, mean it shows up on. Tape he is

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Speaker 3: good to very good at almost, everything but he's not

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Speaker 3: elite at, Anything so that means high, floor, right and

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Speaker 3: he could Get he's going to, learn, right you would,

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Speaker 3: hope so that he could eventually be very very good

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Speaker 2: Things and it's one of the one of those prospects

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Speaker 2: that feels like when you see him in, person like

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Speaker 2: we saw him at the Senior but that's one of

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Speaker 2: the other things about the. Seabole you walk on the,

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Speaker 2: field you see, him he looks kind of like. Silly

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Speaker 2: he's got a little baby face to. Him, Right he's

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Speaker 2: still kind of growing and thickening up and becoming denser and.

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Speaker 2: Stronger and that shows up a little bit on. Tape

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Speaker 2: but that makes me. Excited, like get him here With

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Speaker 2: Chad engleheart's strength coach, Here Like chad's going to get

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Speaker 2: him really, strong you, know get him With Bobby, johnson

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Speaker 2: the offensive line. Coach they're going to technically develop that.

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Speaker 2: Guy and SO i think, about, again the floor is

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Speaker 2: very high because of the things you talked, about but there's

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Speaker 2: very few players in this class offensive lineman that have

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Speaker 2: the ability to be something more, athletically and he checks that.

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Speaker 2: Box so to get a guy that gives you that

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Speaker 2: at twenty, nine he's a great person positional, flexibility and

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Speaker 2: the ceiling is. There think about as you move down the,

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Speaker 2: draft the ceiling gets shallower and shallower and shallower and.

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Speaker 1: Shallower. Yep so twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: And you, know he was on the wrong side of

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Speaker 3: RIGHT i talked about this on our pod. EARLIER i

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Speaker 3: because he, tripped and he had no problem Handling Mike.

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Speaker 3: Green but that one didn't go viral because offensive lineman

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Speaker 3: is in sexy when they just stop a. Guy but

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Speaker 2: And it's funny like when you go back and watch

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Speaker 2: connelly played left tackle At. Oregon, right he's right tackle

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Speaker 1: Bit there's a bunch of guys there that we really.

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Speaker 2: Like Anthony, Belton, travis you, Know i'm trying to think

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Speaker 2: Online he just looks like a different cut, athlete like

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Speaker 2: they're running like a. Screen he's he's got that kind

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Speaker 2: Of laramie tunsil Lane john like ability to get out

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Speaker 2: think is, again you see that athletic. Ceiling then he

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Speaker 2: think that's something that you can't be. Ignored, again think

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Speaker 2: about the film he, Played Penn state Played Ohio.

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Speaker 1: State all Those edgereutchers are going to get. DRAFTED i

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Speaker 3: UP i was literally in my notes right, here because,

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Speaker 3: look The giants took Up Dual, carter, right who's a fantastic, player,

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Speaker 3: Right and then what's The washington. Answer, okay we're gonna

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Speaker 3: Take connorly like the guy that did pretty darn. Good

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Speaker 3: and when they, LIKE i, Mean Abdull carter is very,

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Speaker 3: good he's going to get. His but for the most,

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Speaker 3: defensive line cutups from that he Handled Obdul carter very, well,

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Speaker 3: like he held his, ground and so if you're looking

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Speaker 4: A tackle in camp like. Some but my point is

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Speaker 3: We've seen him go against talent that is high level

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Speaker 3: in the, college so he's going to translate well. HERE

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Speaker 3: i think at the very least he will be a solid.

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Speaker 2: Player and it goes back to what you just, said

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Speaker 2: but the ceiling is also there because of the athletic.

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Speaker 2: Upside so And i'd also just think about what this

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Speaker 2: does For Jayden, daniels you, know what it does for this,

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Speaker 2: offense what it does For Cliff we talked about that

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Speaker 2: Know AND i just think it gives you if he

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Speaker 1: Develop and got to mature and be a good. Pro

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Speaker 1: all those things have to.

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Speaker 2: Happen but if it does, HAPPEN i think about what

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Speaker 2: it does in terms of building that wall in front

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Speaker 2: Of Jayden, daniels you, Know AND i look at the

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Speaker 2: best offensive lines in Football detroit last, Year philadelphia last.

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Speaker 2: Year they invest capital.

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Speaker 1: There, Right they've got a big trade.

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Speaker 2: Piece they've got a couple of first round, picks a

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Speaker 2: couple of second round. Picks and when you look at this,

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Speaker 2: now look at this. Group Now Jarmy, tunzel who is

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Speaker 2: a top five tackle in THE. Nfl you've got Maybe

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Speaker 2: Brandon coleman at left. Guard you've Got biascia, center who

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Speaker 2: to me was one of the better centers in football when.

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Speaker 2: Healthy Sam cosmy a second round, pick and now you've

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Speaker 1: Side like that is all of.

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Speaker 2: A sudden a group That i'm trying to think of.

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Speaker 2: It but WHEN i played here In, washington like With Trent,

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Speaker 2: Williams Sean, lavow you, know like those kind of guys

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Speaker 2: that really Were Morgan moses at the right, Tackle like

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Speaker 2: you could just do so much more. Offensive you could

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Speaker 2: run the, football you can pass, protect AND i think

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Speaker 2: what that's going to do For, jayden but the entire

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Speaker 2: offense and Not Cliff coff's. Games and so it gets.

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Speaker 2: Me you, know you said it wasn't a sexy, pick

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Speaker 2: but the opportunity that it presents is.

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Speaker 1: Exciting, well it will.

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Speaker 4: Get you very.

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Speaker 3: EXCITED i highly recommend people go put on The Penn

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Speaker 3: state And oregon game and just watch it because that's

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Speaker 3: ob Cool carter going against Connor. Ley you're going to

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Speaker 3: see that again in this division twice this. Year but you,

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Speaker 3: know we talk about all the time about what did

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Speaker 3: The eagles? Do and they won The Super, Bowl so

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, say, well they won a Super,

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Speaker 3: bowl that's the, blueprint so we're going to replicate. It

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Speaker 3: the other thing you can look at is the team

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Speaker 3: that lost To Super bowl and they had the best

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Speaker 3: quarterback right by, far maybe going to be one of

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Speaker 3: the best of all, time if not the best of all.

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Speaker 3: Time if he Catches Tom. Brady the question is, like,

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Speaker 3: well what was difficult for? Them, well their offensive line

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Speaker 3: really really. Struggled So jane And daniels is, great, Right

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Speaker 3: he's a great. Quarterback hopefully he gets to that top

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Speaker 3: echelon where we're talking about him of greatest all the time.

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Speaker 3: Again but the only way you're going to get there

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Speaker 3: and be successful is you still have to have an offensive.

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Speaker 3: Line so if you stay young there and you draft well,

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Speaker 3: there then he's going to be protecting. You don't run

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Speaker 3: into a situation where you have with The chiefs where

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Speaker 3: they're now desperate to pick offensive linemen and try and

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Speaker 3: get offensive lineman Because Patrick mahomes can't do.

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Speaker 4: Everything he's got to be.

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Speaker 2: Protected, no one hundred percent agree with, That AND i just, think,

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Speaker 2: like look At Patrick mahomes when he struggled the, most

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Speaker 2: it's when the offensive line's been a little bit banged. Up,

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Speaker 2: Yeah and we talked about this last, year like it

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Speaker 2: did feel like when you watched us watch The commanders

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Speaker 2: play Against, philly like they were hyper, competitive like really,

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Speaker 2: tough but there was a slight talent. Discrepancy AND i

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Speaker 2: think it's the right decision to try and close that

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Speaker 2: talent gap and really make sure that you can be

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Speaker 2: competitive on all. Front so Again i'm really excited about the. Pick,

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Speaker 2: again with any, pick there's a developmental, process BUT i.

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Speaker 1: Like the thought.

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Speaker 2: PROCESS i like the character of the, Kid and think about,

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Speaker 2: it they know this kid incredibly. Well they talked to

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Speaker 2: him at The, draft they talked to him at The Senior,

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Speaker 2: bowl they brought him in for a thirty. Visit so

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Speaker 2: in terms of understanding how he's wired and how he,

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Speaker 2: ticks they, know AND i think like that's something that

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Speaker 2: is so incredibly valuable And adams when he and again

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Speaker 2: in that, interview make sure you check it out on

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Speaker 2: the YouTube. Page he came in and was, like the

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Speaker 2: area scouts sit on the table for, Him our college

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Speaker 2: scouts sit on table. Form the offensive line coach on table.

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Speaker 2: Form he even Said, cliff a couple of days before the,

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Speaker 2: draft wrote a little, note put it on his desk and,

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Speaker 2: said make sure you take The oregon.

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Speaker 1: Tackle that was a couple of days, ago you know

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Speaker 1: What i'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying so everybody seemed united in supportive in this, pick

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Speaker 2: AND i love that cohesion AND i love that thought.

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Speaker 2: Process and the great thing about it is, you as a,

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Speaker 2: fan can go watch him on film and see why

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Speaker 2: people are so excited about the.

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Speaker 3: Prospect before we get out of, HERE i want to

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Speaker 3: ask you a. Question why do you think we didn't trade?

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Speaker 3: Back because that was a big thing that everyone was talking,

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Speaker 3: about is we want we don't have the third round,

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Speaker 3: pick so let's figure this, out let's trade, back let's

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Speaker 3: grab more, capital especially in this type of. Draft but

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Speaker 3: we ended up sticking and. Picking so why didn't we do?

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Speaker 4: That do you? Think?

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Speaker 2: SO i do think obviously you look At philadelphia and

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Speaker 2: they wanted to trade. Up they traded up For Johad

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Speaker 2: campbell and they traded With Kansas. City so that was

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Speaker 2: their guy obviously in the. Draft AND i don't KNOW

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Speaker 2: i have any inside baseball on, this BUT i would

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Speaker 2: bet that they wanted to trade up ahead Of washington

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Speaker 2: to make sure that they got Cha Hot. HAMBLE i

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Speaker 2: think the one thing that you're worried about if You're

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Speaker 2: washington is that you trade Behind Kansas city and they Take,

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Speaker 2: connerly who is your number one player on the board

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Speaker 2: at that, moment and you're left hold in the.

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Speaker 1: Bag.

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Speaker 2: Right SO i think they identified a player that they.

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Speaker 2: Liked the trade partner was putting them in a position

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Speaker 2: where they were kind of moving. Out we talked about

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Speaker 2: those tiers all the, time moving out of that third

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Speaker 2: tier into the fourth tier where there's no offensive lineman,

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Speaker 2: available and it's kind of, like, oh, like let's just,

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Speaker 2: Stay we've got our, guy let's pick him and then move.

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Speaker 2: On and, again like people, say we could have got

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Speaker 2: more draft. CAPITAL i understand, that but if you've identified this,

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Speaker 2: guy and it sounds like from What Adam peters, said

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Speaker 2: that this was the guy that they wanted a twenty

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Speaker 2: nine or one of a couple of guys that wanted

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Speaker 2: to twenty. Nine why are we going to mess? Around

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Speaker 2: why do we in the same way that, like why

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Speaker 2: are we going to risk missing missing on our guy last?

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Speaker 2: Year why are we going to risk missing on? Him

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Speaker 2: especially when you Know Kansas city's a tackle the needy

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Speaker 2: team and if you have him as the next tackle in,

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Speaker 2: line just stick and pick and make yourself.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yes another thing That peter, said and make sure you

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Speaker 3: check out the interview he expands on this is that

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Speaker 3: they were concerned that maybe he would go to The

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Speaker 3: bears at.

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Speaker 4: Ten so that's how high they thought of.

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Speaker 3: Him, right in the sense of like they were nervous

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Speaker 3: other teams were going to value him. High so when

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Speaker 3: a player like that starts falling, back when you start, thinking,

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Speaker 3: well this is a top ten player in the, draft

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Speaker 3: and he starts falling back and you're at twenty nine

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Speaker 3: and it's sitting right, There, yeah you could trade, back

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Speaker 3: but that guy this is the whole tier, thing. Right

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Speaker 3: we don't know what their tiers look, like but maybe

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Speaker 3: this guy is in their top, tier second, tier, Right

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Speaker 3: and so he's sitting there and now you're in the

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Speaker 3: spot where you're at the bottom, three starting to fall

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Speaker 3: in the fourth, tier and there's a two tiers in for,

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Speaker 3: you go for it because that's more value for you

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Speaker 3: now than two five tiers six tier picks. Later and

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Speaker 3: also something we don't think about with offensive tackles when

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Speaker 3: we first take him is it's the value. Pick right

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Speaker 3: if he ends up being a great, tackle WHICH i

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Speaker 3: hope he, is that's a lot of dollars coming down the,

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Speaker 3: line and that they are now saving.

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Speaker 2: Even if he's a mediocre tackle like the middle of the.

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Speaker 2: Road you got to pay those guys about thirty million

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Speaker 2: dollars year twenty.

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Speaker 1: Five thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Is SO i do think this is really good about good.

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Speaker 2: Value SO i think understanding those, tiers understanding you those,

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Speaker 2: guys and AGAIN i think this sets up really nicely

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Speaker 2: to talk about maybe a little bit briefly about, tomorrow you,

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Speaker 2: know just in terms.

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Speaker 4: Of let's quickly preview it and then call it a.

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Speaker 2: Night so for, ME i think the thing THAT i

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Speaker 2: thirty visit.

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Speaker 1: With so all of those, GUYS i think it's deeper. There,

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Speaker 4: Can still get your. Edge you probably can still get, it.

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Speaker 2: AND i think you could probably still get a corner

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna be a little more, challenging but definitely

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Speaker 2: there's there's an opportunity there to get a good edge

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Speaker 2: player that fits in terms of like what a commander,

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Speaker 2: is because what what the first Thing ap said when

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Speaker 2: he came in here was, like we want. Commanders David

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Speaker 2: Visit i'm after seeing both those guys at The Senior,

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Speaker 2: bold didn't they feel like commanders when you watch the? Play,

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Speaker 4: Guys, Too, yeah there's other guys, Too and you never.

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Speaker 3: KNOW i, mean maybe they trade out of that second

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Speaker 3: pick and they grab a couple of third round picks

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Speaker 3: because you don't know how the board's going.

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Speaker 4: To, sure and you don't know what their board.

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Speaker 3: Is so if If edges keep pushing like they did,

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Speaker 3: tonight maybe it's, like oh, okay and so we can

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Speaker 3: trade back. Again like, so the point is is that

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Speaker 3: just because they didn't trade back in the first round

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they're not going to make moves in

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Speaker 3: the second, round or that the second round pick that

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Speaker 3: they get isn't going to be a high value where

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Speaker 3: it wasn't worth maybe trading. Up, yeah or so you,

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Speaker 3: also with all of, this it's easy for anybody to

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Speaker 3: get ON x or say to their, friend, oh, well

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Speaker 3: we should have traded. Back the other thing is when

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Speaker 3: you when you want to go dance with, somebody you

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Speaker 3: need a, partner which means that somebody has to say to,

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Speaker 3: THEMSELVES i need to get the this spot to get a,

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Speaker 3: player and everybody's thinking in that same area that we

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Speaker 3: were in the same way we. Are when you have

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Speaker 3: five teams clunt together that are all saying we want

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Speaker 3: to trade, back, yes, yeah that means you need to

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Speaker 3: fight to find five people that are willing to trade.

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Speaker 3: It that doesn't normally happen when you're clumped like. That

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Speaker 3: so that's why there's not really that many trades in

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Speaker 3: the back of the first and second round of the.

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Speaker 4: Draft there really. Isn't it's normally a.

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Speaker 3: Team jumping up maybe one or two spots just to

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Speaker 3: block another team from trying to grab a position that's

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Speaker 3: not as, deep like a.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, NO i think that's one hundred percent. Right and so,

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Speaker 2: again don't nobody freak. Out still good football.

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Speaker 4: Players oh, yeah, really this is a fantastic first. Round,

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Speaker 4: yeah this is.

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Speaker 2: A great first, round and there's good football players, tomorrow

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Speaker 2: especially in that second. Round remember the value here is

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Speaker 2: kind of in this second. Round so hopefully there's a

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Speaker 2: good football, player AND i think there will. Be when

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Speaker 2: The commanders pick at sixty, one maybe they can add some.

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Speaker 2: Picks Adam peters always works as. Magic BUT i love the.

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Speaker 2: Draft you can hear my. Voice can't wait to see

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Speaker 2: what they do.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Two day two is really, fun and then Again i'm

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Speaker 2: going to be excited For day, three but.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that. More we'll have our a review

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Speaker 1: show then as.

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