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Speaker 2: Is it Thursday? Yes, it's Thursday. Must be Thursday. It's

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Speaker 3: And you're back in Whistler.

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Speaker 2: I am, I'm back. I'm home.

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Speaker 4: How has the skiing, I mean, as much as you've

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Speaker 4: been able to be there, how's the skiing been this year?

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Speaker 1: Well, the skiing's been good. I mean a couple of

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Speaker 1: been reunited with Doug, my dog trainer. Up here was

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Speaker 2: She's so good with him, and he's so I mean,

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Speaker 1: When I he sees me, he puts my hand in

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Speaker 3: And cute aggression you ever get that where he's just.

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Speaker 2: Like, look at me, look at me. I'm like, oh, dog,

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to leave you. I didn't want to.

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Speaker 1: I added more Vegas dates you guys, so I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure I mention those. So my next dates

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Speaker 1: are March twenty first. This is my residency at the

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Speaker 1: Cosmopolitan in Vegas at the Chelsea Theater March twenty first,

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Speaker 1: in April eighteenth, and then we added July fifth, August thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: November first, and November twenty ninth. So go to Chelsea

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Speaker 1: handler dot com for your tickets, and.

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Speaker 3: Your book is like about to come out. Oh it'll

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Speaker 3: be like a week away very soon.

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Speaker 4: So get your pre orders in. Yeah, and you can

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Speaker 4: actually on Barnes and Noble. You can like say I

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Speaker 1: And yes, I signed eighty five hundred copies for Barnes

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Speaker 1: and Nobles, so you can get that if you want

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Speaker 1: They're all up on my website too. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'll be at the ninety second Street.

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Speaker 2: Why New York. I'll be in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Let's just read it while I have my phone here.

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Speaker 1: Let's see where else I'm going. Yeah, Boston, Cincinnati, Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I'll be in New Jersey on the twenty fourth, my birthday.

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Speaker 1: I'll be at the ninety second Street, y twenty six,

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Speaker 1: So go to Chelsea Handler dot com for all that information.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you order your Owls Brew or buy your

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Speaker 3: And I'll put a link to that in the description

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you so much, Catherine drum Roll. Catherine, please

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Speaker 1: Chelsea Handler Abroad. Abroad is my European Tour, which I

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Speaker 1: or there's a pre sale code Chelsea. So I'm coming

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to Dublin. I'm coming to the UK. I'm

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Speaker 2: In May and June.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming to Oslo, Stockholm, to Copenhagen, Manchester, London, Glasgow,

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Speaker 1: I know I want to go see me abroad, and

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Speaker 1: Please welcome, actor, author, and entrepreneurs are my friend, Naomi Watts.

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Speaker 5: Oh hello, oh.

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Speaker 2: Hello menopause lady.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Hi are you excited to continue your talking about menopause.

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Speaker 1: I've seen you everywhere. I know I feel very exposed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: She's married to Billy Krudup, who I've a very intense

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Speaker 2: First of all, on behalf of my sister.

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Speaker 1: I want to say thank you for sending all of

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Speaker 1: Naomi is bringing to the subject matter by discussing it

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Speaker 1: And there are so many tools, and there are so

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Speaker 1: And also that this is a part of your life.

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Speaker 7: Yes, some changes take place, and not just physically emotionally.

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Speaker 1: And so you can put this anywhere, right, you can

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Speaker 2: And then there is lube. And then what do you

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Speaker 2: But it really has helped.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this.

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Speaker 2: Sure what happens when you're on the treadmill, or to

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Speaker 5: Yes, I have not even played one.

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Speaker 7: Yes, she had a terrible experience, and she didn't get

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Speaker 1: But when did you think because it is not a

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Speaker 1: You know, you're not talking about youthfulness, which is, you know,

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Speaker 2: So how did you how did you feel about take

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Speaker 5: And it was called Inconceivable.

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Speaker 7: It was a fantast plastic book written by Julia in Dachova,

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Speaker 5: You should write that. I was like, oh, come on,

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Speaker 7: And so I just left it. And that idea came

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Speaker 7: You have to just be all in and the chances

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Speaker 7: are what's happening to me are going to be happening

438
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Speaker 7: to several other women out there too. So it got

439
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Speaker 7: to the point where it just got more and more

440
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Speaker 7: comfy with being you know, more personal and exposing my

441
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Speaker 7: secrets in service of in the hope.

442
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Speaker 5: That I would heal or soothe other women.

443
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Speaker 7: And you know, it just felt ridiculous that women could

444
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Speaker 7: come together and talk about every awkward moment in their life,

445
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Speaker 7: whether it was their first kiss, their first period, their

446
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Speaker 7: first you know, pregnancy, or you know all those things.

447
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 7: We came together and we would talk and compare notes,

448
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 7: but then suddenly there was this silence, like we're supposed

449
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Speaker 7: to just manage this on our own. So that that's

450
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Speaker 7: when I just went, I screw it. I'm going to

451
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 7: write the book, and I want it to be informative.

452
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Speaker 7: I want it to be like a cozy chat with

453
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Speaker 7: my girlfriend on the couch. I want it to be

454
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:29,159
Speaker 7: hilarious and fun, other women's stories, knowledge information, you know,

455
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Speaker 7: all peppers through it and hopeful and it's not the end.

456
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Speaker 5: That was the point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

459
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Speaker 1: On that note, we're going to take a break and

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back with Naomi Watts. And we're back

461
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Speaker 1: with Naomi Watts, author of Dare I Say It? And Stripes,

462
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Speaker 1: the company that offers all sorts of relief to people

463
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Speaker 1: who are experiencing experiencing menopause, going through menopause, which, as

464
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Speaker 1: we've learned, can be a long period of time, so

465
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Speaker 1: you want to get your products. I personally like the

466
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Speaker 1: Inside Edition, which is helps with night sweats because I too,

467
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: And it keeps you regular as well, keeps you regular.

468
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Speaker 1: Oh oh, I was like regular, What kind of regular?

469
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: There's so many kinds of regular to I know, not regular.

470
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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 2: I was like period.

472
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Speaker 1: I was like, I already got an oblasion to map

473
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Speaker 1: that you block that out, but oh, good good Keeping

474
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Speaker 1: you regular is always a bonus.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 1: One question before we begin with callers. One question, Naomi,

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Speaker 1: when you since you were experiencing menopause, when you were

478
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Speaker 1: going through your fertility and then you had your children,

479
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Speaker 1: and then the symptoms became even more exacerbated. Did you

480
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Speaker 1: confuse that at all with postpartum or did that play

481
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: did those two?

482
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Speaker 2: Was it postpartum too, Well?

483
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Speaker 7: It could have been, yes for sure. But I was

484
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Speaker 7: pretty keyed into the menopause thing by this point, because

485
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Speaker 7: at thirty six, you know, it had that message given

486
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Speaker 7: to me, and then I understood that my night sweats

487
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 7: were in fact menopause symptoms, that my irregular periods, thinning

488
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 7: out and everything was also a symptom.

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Speaker 5: I didn't join the dots until then.

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Speaker 7: In fact, you know those medical history forms that you

491
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Speaker 7: fill out, I'd written night sweats on them for years

492
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Speaker 7: and years and years, and everyone just chalked it up

493
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 7: to you, Oh, it's an allergy, or oh maybe it's

494
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 7: you know, that extra glass of wine, or they just

495
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Speaker 7: didn't ever say this could be menopause or perimenopause. In fact,

496
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Speaker 7: that word was not a word I was familiar with

497
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 7: until the last five years, which is a much nicer word,

498
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 7: much gentler. So yeah, I was pretty understanding of the

499
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Speaker 7: symptoms by the time my second baby came. Yeah, okay,

500
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Speaker 7: but there was still more that I came to discover

501
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 7: later which was itchy skin.

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Speaker 5: That also led me to creating stripes. I was working

503
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Speaker 5: on a TV show.

504
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Speaker 7: And I had you know, long days under hotline with makeup,

505
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Speaker 7: and I would come home and after having taken my

506
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Speaker 7: makeup off and just be ripping the dry skin off

507
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 7: my face. It was just angry and itchy, and I

508
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 7: didn't understand what was happening. I'd go to the dermatologist.

509
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 7: I'd get it a little you know, cortisone cream, which

510
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 7: would work for a few days, and then the same

511
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 7: thing would happen flare up, and you know, I was

512
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Speaker 7: just running in circles.

513
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Speaker 5: Again. No one connected the dots.

514
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Speaker 7: And then I figured out later that indeed, as we

515
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 7: lose estrogen, everything thins and dries out and you become

516
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Speaker 7: irritated much easier with things like you know, retinoles or

517
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 7: you know, things that I'd been using in my skincare regime,

518
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 7: which was working perfectly for a number of years now

519
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 7: was not going to not only not work, but it

520
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 7: was going to aggravate me. So I had to really

521
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 7: change out all of my skincare. And that's when I

522
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 7: created the brand, because I wanted to have something that

523
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 7: was ultra hydrating and good for sensitive skin.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting that you say retinals, because those are

525
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: specifically marketed to like aging skin quote unquote, or like

526
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: fine lines and wrinkles and that sort of thing. So

527
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 4: it's like right at the same time that you're having

528
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Speaker 4: this thinning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well there's retinoids.

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Speaker 7: We have retinoids in our evening where which I've got

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Speaker 7: to get into your hands, Chelsea, because I see you

532
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 7: don't have it there.

533
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Speaker 5: And yes, so that's a gentler form. Okay, that will

534
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 5: help with fine lines.

535
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Speaker 3: Wonderful. Were we ready for some advice questions?

536
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Speaker 2: Are they metapause advice questions?

537
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, we have to curtail everything to our special guests.

538
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: Yes, well, obviously like blanket statement. As Naomi mentioned, you know,

539
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: there are so many different variables for everyone, so talk

540
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Speaker 4: to your doctor.

541
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Speaker 3: But this is just some advice from our perspectives.

542
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: So that's what we'll name the episode We are not Doctors, Diomi.

543
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: You'd you'd be surprised how many times I have to

544
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Speaker 1: say I'm not a doctor. Also really, yes, yes, you're

545
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: very super cool for your advice. I have yeah, and

546
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Speaker 1: then I doll out unsolicited medical advice as well.

547
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Speaker 4: Pretty typically, our first question comes from Kelsey. She says,

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Speaker 4: Dear Chelsea, I'm thirty six years old and stop taking

549
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 4: my birth control two years ago. I had taken oral

550
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 4: birth control since I was eighteen and would skip my

551
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: placebo slash cycle every two months and maybe have a

552
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Speaker 4: period every three months. Since stopping, I've had night sweats,

553
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Speaker 4: dry skin, acne, rotator cuff pain without injury, and Jesus Christ,

554
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 4: the low energy is killing me. My question is if

555
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Speaker 4: I'm in perimenopause, what kind of supplements and skincare should

556
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Speaker 4: I use? I tried a number of lotions and washes

557
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 4: and nothing seems to help my dry skin. Note I

558
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 4: have not been officially diagnosed with perimenopause.

559
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Speaker 3: I'd like to be tested, but I work.

560
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Speaker 4: In the medical field CMA, and I feel like getting

561
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Speaker 4: tested or asking for help is pointless because there isn't

562
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Speaker 4: much treatment from the MD perspective.

563
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Speaker 3: With so much love, Kelcey.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Kelcey Hi, Hello, Hi.

565
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Speaker 1: This is our special guest, Naomi Watts, who just wrote

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Speaker 1: a book called Dare I Say It, which is all

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Speaker 1: about menopause. So you're in good hands today. So you're

568
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Speaker 1: thirty six, right? Is that what you said, thirty six.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I just turned thirty six.

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Speaker 1: That's how old Naomi was when she discovered. She was

571
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Speaker 1: going exactly my age.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, when I started having the symptoms, well, actually i'd

573
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 7: had night sweats for a number of years, and I

574
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Speaker 7: had migraines and irregular periods. I did have blood work done,

575
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 7: and you're right, it's there's no one exact defining test

576
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 7: except for if you've had a full year without a menstruation.

577
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Speaker 5: But I think there are lots of other indicators.

578
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Speaker 1: Like but there's also there's also a urine test that

579
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Speaker 1: you can do that doctor Nigma told me about called

580
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Speaker 1: the Dutch test.

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Speaker 2: Naomi, do you know about that one?

582
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Speaker 5: I don't. I heard that Clear Blue is doing one

583
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Speaker 5: now as well.

584
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something work.

585
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Speaker 1: There's something called the Dutch test, and it requires you

586
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Speaker 1: to like pee on this little stick like three or

587
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Speaker 1: four times from like in a twelve hour period, and

588
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: that they say is a better indicator than blood work

589
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: will like indicate when you come back.

590
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you might want to look into that too.

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Speaker 3: I've never heard of that.

592
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the rotator cuff thing, I had a frozen shoulder.

593
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Speaker 7: Many of my friends have had that and that can

594
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Speaker 7: be very painful, particularly when you're sleeping. But you're in

595
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Speaker 7: the medical field, I would say, can you talk to

596
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Speaker 7: your colleagues, can you get some I mean, this is

597
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Speaker 7: the thing is that it's so many doctors were not

598
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Speaker 7: even trained in this area, specifically guynecologists. I've done panels

599
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 7: and symposiums and with a great number of fancy doctors

600
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Speaker 7: and they talk about their one hour specific lecture centering

601
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Speaker 7: around menopause. It's mind boggling considering half the population will

602
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Speaker 7: go through it. So I would just try and peace

603
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 7: together all of your symptoms and go to your doctor

604
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Speaker 7: and ask them what they think is best based on

605
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 7: your medical history.

606
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Speaker 1: And also frozen shoulder for that specifically, Like I've had

607
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Speaker 1: a lot of conversations around this recently because I had

608
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Speaker 1: shoulder issues and I thought maybe that was what I have,

609
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Speaker 1: but I had an infection in my shoulder, so it

610
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Speaker 1: wasn't give us me by a doctor who shall rename

611
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Speaker 1: nameless for now until.

612
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Speaker 2: I decided to blow his gasket.

613
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Speaker 1: But frozen shoulder, I've had a lot of conversations about that,

614
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Speaker 1: And you want to treat that like you would treat

615
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Speaker 1: a shoulder in physical therapy. Like you really want to

616
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Speaker 1: keep mobilizing it, You really want to keep moving that

617
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Speaker 1: and just kind of doing daily exercises to increase mobility

618
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Speaker 1: because the less you use it, the worse you're going

619
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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 7: So that motion is lotion it needs. So basically, we

621
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Speaker 7: have estrogen receptors all over our bodies, and you know

622
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Speaker 7: that's what happens there. It just kind of locks up.

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Speaker 5: And Chelsea's right.

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Speaker 7: I was doing a lot of PT and I did

625
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Speaker 7: suffer through it for a good year. Eventually I did

626
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Speaker 7: something that I didn't want to do, but I ended

627
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 7: up having to do it because the pain was too excruciating.

628
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 7: I ended up having a cortisone shot and just giving

629
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 7: it some relief was really helpful. And then I did

630
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 7: hardcore PT, you know, grabbing a towel or a band

631
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 7: and going up above your head and down and forward.

632
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 7: That was really good. And you know, like car wash

633
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 7: kind of round and round those kind of things to

634
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Speaker 7: just increase mobility.

635
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Speaker 2: And did you did that cortizone shot? That helped? Right,

636
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Speaker 2: That gave you.

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Speaker 5: Something really really helped.

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Speaker 7: And it has not come back since and I'm knocking

639
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 7: on word bit that has been a game changer.

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Speaker 5: For me.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's good to know. I ended up getting quartersoone

642
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 8: shots too, because oh you did.

643
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

644
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Speaker 8: I did physical therapy for a long time, and even

645
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Speaker 8: my physical therapist doctor was like, I don't know.

646
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: Really what else to do for you.

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Speaker 8: But I didn't think about doing PT after that because

648
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 8: now it doesn't hurt so much, I might be able

649
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Speaker 8: to like move it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's also that's also the thing.

651
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: When it doesn't hurt is the most important time to

652
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Speaker 1: keep it up, you know what, I mean, to keep

653
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Speaker 1: just that mobility going because like that, I don't know.

654
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: I've talked to so many pets about frozen shoulder because

655
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Speaker 1: it's my obsession since reading Naomi's book. I read Naomi's

656
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Speaker 1: book and just had every symptom that she described like out.

657
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Speaker 1: I'm like, and then I came back and I was

658
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: like having night flashes. And I told my sister, I'm like,

659
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm having night flashes. And I tried this other over

660
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: the counter stuff before Naomi you sent me this, and

661
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: I was like, and they worked for my night sweats.

662
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: And my sister's like, you are so you're so impressionable.

663
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: She's like, you read a book about metopause. Then you

664
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: decide you have metopause and then you cure it in

665
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: one day with this.

666
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: Over the counter drug.

667
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 5: You are on it.

668
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I know I'm on it, but yeah, So the frozen

669
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: shoulder thing is like, you really want to stay on

670
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: that because it's when you ignore it or when you're

671
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: in so much pain that you lose your mobility that

672
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: you kind of can get stuck.

673
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: So you want to stay on that too. And yeah,

674
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: inquire about that Dutch test. That's very interesting. I haven't

675
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: heard that because you know.

676
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 8: You have like hormone level checks, but if they're not off,

677
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 8: and it's kind of like, well.

678
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

679
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 7: The thing is is the hormone checks can change every

680
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 7: single day. Yeah, they that's why they don't find them

681
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 7: completely reliable because yeah.

682
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: And a Dutch test, I think that was for my

683
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: natura path So if you like look that up online,

684
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can order one, because you know, yeah,

685
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: it's like your blood levels. They don't like you could

686
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: be on your period and get them, or you could

687
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: be two weeks into your cycle, which are going to

688
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: have completely different results. So I think that's why they're

689
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: not accurate. And we live in LA so we have

690
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: doctors that are just willing to dole out anything at

691
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: any moment for anything, you know. So it's like you

692
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: don't really know what's working sometimes because I know, for me,

693
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm just taking so many different things, whether it's peptides

694
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: or anti aging stuff.

695
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: It's like I'm not sure what's working. I just know

696
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: something is.

697
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's all.

698
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Speaker 4: Now for someone like Kelsey who you know, maybe you're

699
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: not getting the help that you need from your current doctor,

700
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 4: your current obgyn. What are the sort of things that

701
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: she should be looking for in a specialist?

702
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 7: Okay, so I think at a minimum, if the doctor

703
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 7: is not willing to give you a full spectrum of

704
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 7: what's available, if that conversation is not if he's blocking

705
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 7: he or she's blocking that conversation, then that's not the

706
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 7: right doctor. I think you have to go in with

707
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 7: your list of symptoms, your list of questions, your medical history,

708
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 7: and your families and if they're just flat out gatekeeping,

709
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 7: then then it might not be the right provider. And

710
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 7: it's a bummer to have to change because I know

711
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 7: that takes works, work. But you can go on the

712
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 7: Menopause Society and look for a doctor that's suitable in

713
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 7: your area. And also there was a great article in

714
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 7: the New York Times by Susan Dominus to two or

715
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 7: three years ago called women have been Misled, and that

716
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 7: is she goes really deep into the whole experience of

717
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 7: treatment and how we've been misled because there was a

718
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 7: study that went wrong in the media got ahead of

719
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 7: the study, and basically everyone feared hormones for that from

720
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 7: that day forward. Now, of course they're not going to

721
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 7: be everyone's choice, nor are they safe for everyone, but

722
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 7: they should not be ruled out. If you are in

723
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 7: need of symptom relief and you're it's safe for you.

724
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 7: So you do have to trust your doctor. You do

725
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 7: have to make sure they're hearing you.

726
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the way. We do have a natural path

727
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 8: in town. I was actually thinking about.

728
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think nature paths have a better vibe on

729
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: menopause than medical doctors, you know what I mean. Sometimes

730
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean not overall speaking, but like until we have menopause,

731
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: specialists like naturopaths seem to have some better kind of elixir.

732
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Speaker 7: There are some specialists it's like her md Alloy Midi Health. Ever,

733
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 7: now these are all available, you know, they're not. That's

734
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 7: telehealth places so I think we're up to navigating it.

735
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 7: It's a bummer that we have to do a lot

736
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 7: of it on our own, but I think the change

737
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 7: is only just started and it'll be better for the

738
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 7: next generation. But there's still a lot of work we

739
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 7: have to do in order to get the right support

740
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 7: and treatment that we need.

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Speaker 8: I totally agree, because I feel like all my symptoms

742
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 8: are like, oh, well, you know, try this or that,

743
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 8: and I'm like, but when you add them all up,

744
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 8: it come out and yeah, a good amount of these

745
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 8: specific kinds.

746
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: And it's also you have to understand, like you have

747
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: to trust yourself and understand that you know how your

748
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: body feels and if it feels off or if it

749
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: feels regulated. Yeah, And like when we talk to other

750
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: people sometimes that there's like this placebo effect of like, oh, well,

751
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: they said, it's not this.

752
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 2: It's like, you have to know your body.

753
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: You're in the medical industry, be like, sit with yourself

754
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: and actually feel what you're feeling, and you'll know, Okay,

755
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: this doesn't feel right. I do want to do something

756
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: about this, you know, regardless of what other people's opinions are.

757
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 5: Have you considered HRT or have you mentioned it with

758
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 5: your doctor. I know you said you were on birth control.

759
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: I have.

760
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 8: I haven't talked about any hormone replacement yet. I was

761
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 8: actually even recently kind of thinking about going back on

762
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 8: birth control. But I don't really want.

763
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 5: To do that right right, Well, I mean, I know

764
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Speaker 5: what you're saying, is Chelsea, that natural paths.

765
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 7: There are lots of things available, and you get you know,

766
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 7: it feels like you're getting a lot of focus. But

767
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 7: I personally go for the FDA approved way because it

768
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 7: just feels it feels certain and you know, things have

769
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 7: been tested and but again it's it's got to be

770
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 7: your choice. It's your body and obviously what's safe for you.

771
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Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you, Kelsey.

772
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Speaker 4: Will you report back in a few months and let

773
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: us know if there's any any change.

774
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: Yes, that sounds good.

775
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: I will, all right, yes, report back and let us

776
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: know if you get pregnant.

777
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: We're interested.

778
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 8: No, not whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: I have a good day, Thank you, Thank you, Kelsey.

780
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, just the irony of this woman working in

781
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: a hospital calling into a podcast asking us about menopause

782
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: is just like it's like.

783
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: Hospital, you can't even get in a straight answer.

784
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I wonder if she does see a natural path,

785
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: if they might suggest an MD that they, you know,

786
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: have worked with, or that sort of thing too.

787
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, well.

788
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: Our next caller is Karen and a little bit of

789
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: a little bit of a to Phil and Naomian. A

790
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: little while back, we had someone call in that was

791
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: so annoyed that their friend kept sniffing constantly.

792
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: Do you remember this?

793
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: Like, oh, like they were sniffing, sniffing, sniffing, and they're like,

794
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 4: how do I tell my friend to stop sniffing?

795
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: I've tried. It's upsetting. It's a whole thing, a whole

796
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: a whole thing.

797
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: Is this kind of are we going to find out

798
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 2: this is a symptom of menopause?

799
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Speaker 3: Well we'll see, because.

800
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Speaker 1: Wait, I just edited my next I just edited my

801
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: stand up special and I was sniffing throughout the whole thing,

802
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, why am I sniffling this whole time?

803
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: I see how I do like a coke head?

804
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: And then and my manager goes, can you lift out

805
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: the sniffling? And I was like, I just gave them

806
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: that note too. I'm like, I don't know. I must

807
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: have had a cold. And I'm like, do I do

808
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: that all the time without knowlash well.

809
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Speaker 4: Karen says, Dear Chelsea, of all the things I've wanted

810
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 4: to write in and ask about my forty eight year

811
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: old perimontopause symptoms, et cetera. Here I am responding to

812
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Speaker 4: a recent POT episode about a friend's annoying sniffing. It's me,

813
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 4: not literally, and I'm not snorting any drugs. I don't

814
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: have seasonal allergies. I have inner ear congestion, and the

815
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 4: sniffing helps clear my ears. I've caught myself doing it,

816
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 4: and I annoy myself. I've even seen myself in videos

817
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: doing it. I can't imagine what people think. I've seen

818
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 4: at least two doctors, and they couldn't help no amount

819
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: of decongestic's work. I feel like I'm underwater. I feel

820
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 4: for these two friends, the sniffer and the sniffy, which

821
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: got me thinking I have a host of seemingly random

822
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 4: symptoms in addition to the sniffing. I'm exhausted, I have headaches,

823
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 4: and I constantly feel like my head is in a

824
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 4: fish bowl. My periods have changed, and I'm back on

825
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 4: birth control to help with the heavy flow. I find

826
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: myself wondering if it's something serious, But could it just

827
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 4: be menopause?

828
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Speaker 3: XO, Karen, I don't know.

829
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Speaker 1: Ni Hi Hi, Karen, Hi. Welcome to Dear Chelsea. This

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Speaker 1: is Naomi wats our special guest today.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, look, as far as I've been told, I

834
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 7: knew that fertility changes off to thirty five.

835
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Speaker 5: But what I.

836
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 7: Didn't know is that you can experience perimenopause symptoms right

837
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 7: from then onwards. And certainly in my case, that's what

838
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 7: was going on. So it sounds like with the with

839
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 7: the exhaustion levels and the heavy periods. I mean, is

840
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 7: that was that regular, the heavy periods or is it

841
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 7: just suddenly or in the last.

842
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 6: It was new and it was so uncomfortable. I didn't

843
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 6: want to leave my house and I went to my

844
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 6: doctor to make sure everything was okay, and then I

845
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 6: ended up going back on birth control pill and it helped.

846
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 6: But there's so much stigma around the birth control pill.

847
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: Why is that? Why is there so much stigma around

848
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: birth control? Naomi? Do you know that?

849
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 7: Yeah?

850
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 5: They shouldn't be. Let's put it that way.

851
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: Is it just such an adjustment when you get off

852
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: of it? Is that the downside of it?

853
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 7: I was on the birth control for gosh maybe and

854
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 7: you know, of course, when I wasn't getting pregnant, I thought, oh,

855
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 7: is it because I was on it for too long?

856
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 7: But no, I don't. I don't think it was related

857
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 7: at all. It's probably a big adjustment. How long did

858
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 7: you say that you haven't been on.

859
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 6: It for Well, I was on it for probably fifteen years,

860
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 6: and I got pregnant like two months after I stopped

861
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 6: with my first daughter, when I wanted to start a family,

862
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 6: and then I went back on it, and when I

863
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 6: wanted to have when I had my second daughter, and

864
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 6: the same thing, I was able to get pregnant right away,

865
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 6: and then after her I was like, oh maybe I

866
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 6: should you know, do I have to give my body

867
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 6: a break from it or you know. So I was

868
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 6: off it for five years until just like fourteen months

869
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 6: ago when I went in. I was like, this is miserable.

870
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 6: I was getting like really bad headaches. And when I

871
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 6: was young, I was like the only one of my

872
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 6: friends that like took it. I'm very type A, so

873
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: I was so good at taking it and it made

874
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 6: my period like three days very light. I had a

875
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 6: lot of friends that said be careful. You know that's

876
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 6: not good for you. But here I am on it

877
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 6: and it's helping me. But there was something in the

878
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 6: back of my head like am I hurting myself? Like

879
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 6: you know it's hard. Now.

880
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 7: Look, I think HRT, as I understand it, lower levels

881
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 7: of estrogen. So if you want to go to if

882
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 7: you ask your doctor if it's safe for you, that

883
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 7: would be maybe better for you. I mean, people stay

884
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 7: on HRT till the very very end, you know. I

885
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 7: know people that are in their seventies still taking it.

886
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 7: So the old messaging about oh, you're only supposed to

887
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 7: be on it for a certain amount of time, certain

888
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 7: the lower dose, the least amount of time, that's old.

889
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 7: That's old education right there. So I think you should

890
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 7: maybe investigate. If you want to get your regular periods

891
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 7: under control, you should investigate that.

892
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 5: I sound like I'm pushing HRT on everyone.

893
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: No, Buthow, I don't think so. I think that is

894
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: exactly what you're dealing with right now. It sounds like

895
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: you're going through early perimenopause.

896
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

897
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 5: I feel like it's just really helped me. And it's very.

898
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 7: Confusing because this study that went wrong put the fear

899
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 7: of God in not only women who were taking it

900
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 7: and they literally flushed their hormones down the toilet, but

901
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 7: doctors started doing the same thing.

902
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 5: And that was it. They were They just stopped the research.

903
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: But you're talking about the article that came out that's

904
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: saying it caused cancer, right, yes, exactly, that it was

905
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: leading to breast cancer.

906
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 7: And this was in two thousand and two, and this

907
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 7: is like more than twenty years ago now and we're

908
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 7: still dealing with the fear of what happened there. I

909
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 7: would say, look at the Menopause Society. That is a

910
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 7: great website that it leads you to doctors and all

911
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 7: kinds of education and get your.

912
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 5: Symptoms under control.

913
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 7: And the sniffing thing that that So that tell me

914
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 7: more about this.

915
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 6: You know. I I I had this. I had a

916
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 6: doctor looking He's like, oh, yeah, it looks like you

917
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 6: got some fluid in your inner inner ear.

918
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: You know.

919
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 6: Takes some decongestics, which I love taking. Honestly, I understand

920
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 6: why they make them in the mess but or use

921
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 6: them in math, but sometimes it wouldn't work. And so

922
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 6: like I do this like this kind of like big

923
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 6: sniff because it clears my ear. So I was taking

924
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 6: a video of like bees in my garden, and I

925
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 6: was watching the video back and I could hear myself

926
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 6: and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's terrible. And then

927
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 6: I hear the episode and I'm like, oh, I wish

928
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 6: Chelsea could tell me, like, not that off, but it's

929
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 6: really If I don't do it, then the congestion kind

930
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 6: of builds and then I'm like leading my head over

931
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 6: and people like what are you doing? And I just

932
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 6: kind of wonder if it's just.

933
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 2: Kind of well.

934
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 6: Also, my ears would like they ring sometimes and then

935
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 6: they started well tonight.

936
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 7: Is is definitely a symptom. And I've definitely been there

937
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 7: with sticking my fingers so far down my ear that

938
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 7: I look like like because I.

939
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 6: Started itching, and I'm like, I'm literally turning into a bitch.

940
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I feel like you need to go to a

941
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: hormone doctor.

942
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I think you should go get some testing done, not

943
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: just blood work, like to ask for the urine test,

944
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: ask to just.

945
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: Test all your level at the right time of.

946
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: The month, like track when you're going to be in

947
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: mid cycle or whenever. The most optimal time for hormone testing.

948
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 7: Is forty eight is around the exact age for all

949
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 7: of those symptoms to be taking place. And it's the

950
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 7: not knowing what's going on with your body, the feeling

951
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 7: of like, wait, I this didn't used to work like this.

952
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 7: That kind of period, the transitional period from perimenopause through

953
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 7: to that menopause day, which is one year after you've

954
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 7: had your last menstrual cycle. You know that that is

955
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 7: a confusing time. So I would definitely try to get

956
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 7: in front of your doctor, a doctor that you trust.

957
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I need to.

958
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: And you have to advocate for yourself in these situations,

959
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Like you have to be a little bit more pushy

960
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: and a little bit more you know, bold than you

961
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: might feel comfortable with. But no one's going to advocate

962
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: for yourself better than you are. So, like you want answers,

963
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: especially with your nose and your pressure and your ear situation,

964
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: Like you need to go to an E and T

965
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: and go what is this and what can I do

966
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: about it? There's got to be some solution out there

967
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: that can at least abate the symptoms to a degree,

968
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, Like, so you're not feeling pressure in your ear,

969
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: whether those are ear drops or what you know whatever,

970
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Like there are answers out there, but you kind of sometimes,

971
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: especially with this, as Naomi has demonstrated, you really have

972
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: to push and be pushy to get answers. You know,

973
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: women's health is not a priority for anyone in the

974
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: history of the world, so we have to make it

975
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: a priority. And you have to go in there and

976
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: ask for answers and demand to get them. And if

977
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: you don't get them from a certain doctor, then you

978
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: have to change doctors. And that can be an exhaustive process,

979
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: but it's going to be worth it in the end

980
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: for you.

981
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly what she said.

982
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.

983
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: And then we're in the meantime, we're going to rename

984
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: Naomi's book to I Am Not a Doctor. Okay, do

985
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: you feel better equipped?

986
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: You just needed a little bit motivational speaking, motivational push right.

987
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 6: Here, I think.

988
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be as squeaky Karen.

989
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, my name's Karen.

990
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: I know, live up to your potential, don't worry. That's

991
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: that's the name. That's my alias.

992
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: I have to travel with an alias, like when I'm

993
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: in hotels and stuff.

994
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: I don't have to, I choose to, but M Karen.

995
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: Is my alias, and everyone thinks that's the funniest thing

996
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: that my name is Karen. She's sitting right here, so

997
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: we're sisters.

998
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 5: Hilarious.

999
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 6: All right, thank you so much.

1000
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: Bye, take care of thank you.

1001
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: Bye.

1002
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 4: All right, we just have a couple more minutes, so

1003
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 4: we'll take a quick break and come back to wrap up.

1004
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll take a break and we'll be right back

1005
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: to wrap up with Naomi.

1006
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: And we're back with Naomi.

1007
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: Watts, who's written this new book called Dare I Say It,

1008
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: which every woman should read and most men should read too,

1009
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: quite frankly, so you can understand what women are going

1010
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: through since you guys don't really have to go through

1011
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: fucking anything except getting us pregnant. And there's a quote

1012
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: for there's even a blurb for me on the back.

1013
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: I hear a man laughing in the background.

1014
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 7: Ha ha ha.

1015
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 5: He goes ha ha ha ha.

1016
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 2: To show us what you go through. Moved to us

1017
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: what you're dealing with.

1018
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: I was always like, Oh, what's what's something embarrassing that

1019
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,959
Speaker 1: a man has to deal with? Like periods we can't

1020
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: control when we get them. We could be on a plane,

1021
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: bleed out through clothing. I've told the story of meeting

1022
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: my sister on Safari after she was on a plane

1023
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: in like bled for seventeen hours and she had she's

1024
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: luckily she had those zip Safari pants that I had

1025
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: sent her as a joke that she had zipped off

1026
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: and then taken her and taken them and wrapped them

1027
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: around her waist. And I was like, God, what is

1028
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: comparable to like the woman's humiliation of getting our periods

1029
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: in school and in public places? And then I was like, oh,

1030
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: boners like those are embarrassing, But a boner, it's like, first,

1031
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: yeah you can, I mean unless it's a really big one,

1032
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: But I mean that's embarrassing for your boner to get

1033
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: hard all of a sudden, because then everyone knows exactly

1034
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: what you're thinking, you know. But also it's just like

1035
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: that's that also could be argued, you know what I mean.

1036
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: There's no evidence with a period, there's evidence with it,

1037
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: Like with a boner, there's no evidence, like you just see,

1038
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: you think you see something and someone can kind of

1039
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: push it away. But yeah, I can't think of anything

1040
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: that men go through that is comparable to all of

1041
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: the levels of pain, childbirth, child rearing, all of it,

1042
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: and then a menopause on top of it.

1043
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 5: So we have to educate them.

1044
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 7: We have to bring them into the conversation and say,

1045
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 7: this is what's going on. And I find that most times,

1046
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 7: if they're included into the conversation, they don't have to

1047
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 7: like imagine what's going on and nothing's a mystery. Then

1048
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 7: they will want to help, They will want to be empathetic.

1049
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 7: They just need greater understanding, and sadly that's our job

1050
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 7: to make them understand. But you know, again, this is

1051
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 7: the changes happening in real time.

1052
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 5: Then I'm certain that this is not going to be

1053
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 5: the case. For the next generation.

1054
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 7: Everything will be more normalized and humanized, and it'll be

1055
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 7: something that everyone knows how to talk to. You know,

1056
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 7: we can talk to our children and say, Mummy having

1057
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 7: a bad day. I didn't mean to snap, you know,

1058
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 7: And this is why, you know hormonal shifts. Just like

1059
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 7: when a teenager slams the door in your face, we

1060
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 7: know what that's about and we empathize. So we've got

1061
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 7: to bring everyone into the conversation. We have to tell

1062
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 7: our bosses at work. If you know you're suddenly in

1063
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 7: a boardroom meeting and you know you're doing a power

1064
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 7: point with ten men and you have a memory blip

1065
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 7: when you forget something that kind of suddenly unravels the

1066
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 7: whole meeting.

1067
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 5: That can happen. I've heard countless.

1068
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 7: Stories of women, you know, which can lead to greater

1069
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 7: anxiety and retreating. And you know, nobody understands what's going

1070
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 7: on until you tell them. And so if we bring

1071
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 7: them in and say, hey, this is what's happening. I'm

1072
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 7: going to need a few hours, or I'm going to

1073
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 7: need a day, they can adjust and.

1074
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 5: Figure out how to behave hopefully.

1075
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: I love that.

1076
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: I want to say, Naomi, really proud and impressed by

1077
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: you for bringing this subject to the four and the

1078
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: way that you have. And I really want to say, like,

1079
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: especially in our industry, because I have so many friends

1080
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: that have gone through menopause before me, who were very

1081
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: loathed to even admit that that was an issue, who

1082
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: are very secretive about it. Like, I really feel like

1083
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: this is the dawn of a new era and you

1084
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: are someone who can really be credited with bringing that

1085
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: conversation forward. So thank you for doing that for women

1086
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: and for doing that for people within this industry to

1087
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: make people more comfortable with the idea of talking about

1088
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: it and not being so ashamed at getting older, like

1089
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a dirty word.

1090
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a dirty thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think by welcoming men into these conversations as well,

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Speaker 1: it's just another opportunity to get more educated for all

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Speaker 1: of us.

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Speaker 5: Exactly exactly, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 7: It had to happen, and I'm glad to be a

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Speaker 7: part of it, and along with a lot of other people.

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Speaker 7: It's all things coming from every angle. All the doctors

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Speaker 7: now who genuinely want to care for people, who are

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Speaker 7: coming together and making sure the conversation is not only open,

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Speaker 7: but the treatment is available. And we need to optimize

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Speaker 7: our health because if you don't get your health under

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Speaker 7: control at this point in time, it can lead to

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Speaker 7: other issues later. We're living longer, so we need to

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Speaker 7: stay strong and that means, you know, protecting our bones

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Speaker 7: and things. I've seen you do it, Chelsea. You're lifting

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Speaker 7: weights that right, that's what you do, and that's protecting

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Speaker 7: your bone health.

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Speaker 5: And you know there's.

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Speaker 7: So many We don't want to be fragile, No, I

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Speaker 7: know that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: We don't want to be fragile. We don't want to

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Speaker 1: be feeble, we want to be strong enough to take

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Speaker 1: care of ourselves right to the end. Yeah, so, thank

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Speaker 1: you Naomi. Congratulations on your book. And her product line

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Speaker 1: is called Stripes for Anybody and you go to what

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Speaker 1: is it pypes beauty dot com, Stripes beauty dot com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you Naomi, have a wonderful beauty.

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Speaker 5: Hey, guys, Thanks Katherine, great to see you. Take care travel,

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Speaker 5: See you, Sarin.

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Speaker 4: If you'd like advice from Chelsea, shoot us an email

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Speaker 4: at Dear Chelsea podcast at gmail dot.

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Speaker 3: Com and be sure to include your phone number.

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Speaker 4: Dear Chelsea is edited and engineered by Brad Dickard executive

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Speaker 4: producer Katherine Law, and be sure to check out our

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