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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: Move the ball and score points this week and hold

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Speaker 3: on to it. Yeah, just hold on to it. Is right,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna run it well. Five panthers below.

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Speaker 1: Each member of the puteam must declare whether he's a

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Speaker 1: stutter of stiff So stutter stiff, Bryce Young today, Hunter

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Speaker 1: Renfro stiff, Treshaun Wharton boop.

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Speaker 3: You lost to Charles Stows in hockey.

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Speaker 4: So that's why it's the one game I will go

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Speaker 4: back and change.

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Speaker 1: That's how it was. My question is who did the

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Speaker 1: Patriots play in Week four? Trick question? It was bye week,

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Speaker 1: they went out. I answered it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, so I have two guesses in my head, so

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Speaker 3: It's wrong, the city Pittsburgh wrong.

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Speaker 1: They went on to lose in week five to the

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Speaker 1: Falcons thirty to seventeen. Okay, it's slipping. Paul good Man.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 1: at Jillette Stadium and we're getting closer to Week four

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Speaker 1: matchup with the Carolina Panthers. It's Evan Paul, myself, Duce.

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Speaker 1: Alex is here because it's picks day and she needs

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Speaker 1: her flowers.

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Speaker 3: I was going to flowers.

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Speaker 1: She needs her flowers every Thursday. You have to play

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Speaker 1: with the stick. It's a it's a it's a bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: She has some company at the top this week, though.

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Speaker 1: Does she We'll find that out later in the show.

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Speaker 5: You're fishing for compliments right now?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 3: I like it. Okay, I didn't go the way Fred

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Speaker 1: But you know, for me, it's no big thing anyway.

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Speaker 1: Alex and Matt Lebooth and we'll be talking Patriots and

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Speaker 1: what do we have? What's what's what news do we

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Speaker 1: have since we ended the show yesterday at two o'clock?

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Speaker 6: Injuries?

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Speaker 7: How about an extensive Carolina Panthers injury report? All of

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Speaker 7: their main receivers and their top tight end are all.

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Speaker 1: Are they scared on the list?

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Speaker 4: I don't if they're scared, they might just.

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Speaker 1: It might just be injured, like oh my arms. But

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Ted, I think is really the one that matters

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Speaker 8: the rest of them. They're replaceable players. But Ted calf injury.

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Speaker 8: Didn't practice at all yesterday, so we'll see if he's

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Speaker 8: If they don't have Ted, I don't know where Bryce

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Speaker 6: Honestly, like that that would be doesn't.

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Speaker 4: Want to hear it. If Evan doesn't want to hear it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Like that's a really really limited Panthers offense if

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Speaker 3: So he's the second on the list behind and UH and.

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Speaker 4: A lot of those want to stand one of those in.

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Speaker 5: Well, Panthers fans don't even want to play.

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Speaker 1: Why because they want to get playing? Yes, and who

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Speaker 3: So but if you were a Panther Span, would you

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Speaker 1: Arch Manning wasn't definitely coming out.

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Speaker 8: He's getting paid a ton of nil, so he doesn't

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Speaker 3: But plus he's you know, yeah, not exactly wondering where

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I just I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I I hear what you're saying about Bryce Young and

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Speaker 3: Oh No, Just so if I'm a Panthers fan, like hypothetical, you're.

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Speaker 8: Gonna win this game against the Patriots, and it's going

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Speaker 8: That's the way I would look at it, and I

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Speaker 4: Team is what I get saying.

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Speaker 7: The thing that confused me is like if he catches

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Speaker 3: Strug It's not like they you know, they win a

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Speaker 3: don't know about the Q. I'm saying the quarterback is

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Speaker 3: I agree with Evan. I don't really find that overly realistic.

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Speaker 7: It's funny with that because having watched some of their

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Speaker 3: Mobile, mobile and more athletics.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's still been able to make it work.

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Speaker 7: They're they're still going down that road with the car

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Speaker 7: But I do think Jonathan Gannon's done a pretty good

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about the Patriots. Uh participation report from yesterday?

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Speaker 8: It's not really not a bad injury report for the

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Speaker 3: I just think a rookie to not practice he's he's hurt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not telling you that he won't play in the game.

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Speaker 4: It's just the first speed and his mobility. He's definitely

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Speaker 1: Patriots would be going indoors today for practice. The weather

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Speaker 1: Moderate temperature mid sixties.

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Speaker 7: Today, my feet are still sopping wet. I told that,

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Speaker 1: You get here, when I get here, it was fine

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Speaker 3: Today this morning, it wasn't rain where. It wasn't when

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Speaker 1: It was drizzling here, but it wasn't really raining that hard.

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Speaker 4: When I got any gloshes or something.

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Speaker 4: I just don't have a good rain boots.

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Speaker 6: Forbid, my feet get wet.

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Speaker 1: We talked about there's nothing more than getting your feet

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Speaker 1: That's that's a.

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Speaker 3: Bad little heater under my desk.

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Speaker 5: That's bad for it definitely has some waterproof.

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Speaker 4: That's a good point. Let's talk, brunt.

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Speaker 3: We need to work where you have you you have

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Speaker 3: the boots, just wear them.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't wear those boots in this though. It's wet

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Speaker 1: That's the water, the leather though.

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Speaker 6: Come on, all right, all right, can't lose this game?

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Speaker 4: Nopee.

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Speaker 3: Kevin's like, I need to leave in about an hour.

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Speaker 3: Can we focus? Focus?

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Speaker 10: All right?

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Speaker 1: What else?

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Speaker 6: Can't lose this game? That's it. What I agree with

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Speaker 6: that is, like, this isn't can't lose this game.

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Speaker 3: You talked about this on my shoes, Oh Freddy, with

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Speaker 3: Mike and Tony. I was like this, I can make

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Speaker 3: excuses like they all played Pittsburgh. They just have themselves

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Speaker 3: to blame. They drop them. You can't lose this game.

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Speaker 3: You can't. They have to tighten up the things that

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Speaker 3: have been costing you points slash games against it. I

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Speaker 3: think an inferior opponent at home, you have to win

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Speaker 3: this game. Three and sixteen in the last nineteen home games.

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Speaker 3: Is that the number?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it is.

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Speaker 8: But like this is a take care of if you

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Speaker 8: want to make any noise this season, like these are

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Speaker 8: take care of business type of games. Sure, Like I

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Speaker 8: don't really care what it looks like. Like they could

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Speaker 8: win this game sixteen to thirteen. It wouldn't be pretty,

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Speaker 8: but you can't if you want to get to meaningful

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Speaker 8: football in December and January for this team, Like, I

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Speaker 8: don't know how you get there if you don't take

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Speaker 8: care of business again, right, And it's too.

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Speaker 1: Early to say, well, this is who they are, you know,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I would just say I do think

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Speaker 7: of more turnovers and they like win in spite of

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Speaker 7: making all the same mistakes that they've been And.

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Speaker 3: I understand Evan's point, like a win is a win

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Speaker 3: and that is the bottom line, But I would not

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Speaker 6: No, I wouldn't feel great about it.

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Speaker 3: A clunky one, but it's on to the next.

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Speaker 8: Like this Panthers team has a lot of holes, on

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Speaker 8: their roster, Like the Patriots have a better team than

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Speaker 8: the Panthers.

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Speaker 6: They do, and they have a better quarterback. I think

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Speaker 6: they have a better coach.

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Speaker 4: Does this feel weird?

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Speaker 7: It feels weird to me, Like saying all this, I

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Speaker 7: think it's making me nervous talking because I don't think

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Speaker 3: Well, and when we do, they've lost. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: like Jacksonville in London last there you go, or Tennessee

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Speaker 8: But I don't know if you had at that time

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Speaker 8: a team like Carolina, Like we didn't really know if

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Speaker 8: Gerrod was going to be a good coach at that point.

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Speaker 8: We didn't really know if Drake was going to be

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Speaker 3: Was talking in terms of the yeah.

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Speaker 8: And I you know this one, like I'm already like

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Speaker 1: We talked about it yesterday. We talked about it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: But Calvin and Saint Albans England rights and he says,

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Speaker 1: I didn't hear much about the Panthers win on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: be doing something right. What's been keeping Rabel up at

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Speaker 8: Well, dirty kickoffs, that's what we're that's what we're getting

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Speaker 3: And Fred, I'm glad you brought that up, ev because

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Speaker 3: Rabel spoke about the kickoff team is keeping him up

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Speaker 3: watching two hours of film because they've been so effective,

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Speaker 3: you know, pinning team's average starting position for opponents for

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Speaker 3: the Panthers through three weeks is the twenty one yard line.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's really good in this in this day

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Speaker 1: That's because if their average return is sixteen yards, that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that that means that kicker has a good

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Speaker 1: accuracy because easily those balls can bounce out of bounds,

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Speaker 6: The forty or it's all the kicker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all the kicker. And good kicker is good.

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Speaker 8: At kickoffs, like that's what because you have to land

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Speaker 3: So they did.

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Speaker 8: Frable said they spend yet two hours of film on

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Speaker 8: So that that's a big part of them. And they

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Speaker 8: turn the ball over on defense. They have produced some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it wasn't their offense. I mean, let's be

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Speaker 1: That's not usually what happens when you scored thirty points.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they had a pick six and then they also

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Speaker 6: You know, they.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise known as twenty twenty one Patriots offense.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I felt like twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're not We're not too worried about the

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Speaker 7: I just think these are two teams that are in

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Speaker 4: Kind of games just I think come down to mistakes

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Speaker 7: When the teams Brable talks about bad football, which team

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Speaker 4: So that to me is the bottom line.

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Speaker 7: Just try to force them into mistakes and then when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan says, I understand people's reservations on Young because

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Speaker 8: I don't really know what else they have.

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Speaker 1: Stacey says. The Panthers seem to struggle to stop the

445
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Speaker 1: run so far this year, and Bryce Sung has had

446
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Speaker 1: trouble against the sguised defensive coverage. With that said, offensively,

447
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Speaker 1: do you think the Patriots will primarily rely on the

448
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Speaker 1: ground game? And defensively through three games, the Patriots have

449
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Speaker 1: leaned on zone coverage. But with Gonzo being back, do

450
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Speaker 1: you think they'll focus more on mixing up the defensive looks?

451
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Speaker 1: So ground game a lot of that ground and pound.

452
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Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't say a lot.

453
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Speaker 7: I just say, you know, continue to try to stay balanced,

454
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Speaker 7: don't get one handed, and you know, just try to

455
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Speaker 7: throw the ball all over the field.

456
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Speaker 4: I mean, there's just as.

457
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Speaker 7: Much reason to want to attack their passing game as

458
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Speaker 7: there is their rushing attack.

459
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Speaker 4: Not a great team.

460
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Speaker 7: The defensive stats you can look across, there's plenty to target,

461
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Speaker 7: So just focus on yourself and executing your offense and

462
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Speaker 7: doing what you want to do. Man coverage wise, I

463
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Speaker 7: just do they have the talent that's necessarily going to

464
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Speaker 7: make you want to play matchups or can you you

465
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Speaker 7: just say our dbs are better than their receivers. Let's

466
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Speaker 7: just play sides and you know, not get not get

467
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Speaker 7: over complicated with it.

468
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Speaker 4: But I'm sure.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they'll always mix a man in Caroline is

470
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Speaker 7: a heavy z own team too, Drake seen a lot

471
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Speaker 7: of that, So.

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Speaker 8: They've played a lot more man. The Patriots have played

473
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Speaker 8: a lot more man over the last two weeks than

474
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Speaker 8: they did in the opener, So those numbers are starting

475
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Speaker 8: to to skew back to where you might expect based

476
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Speaker 8: off of their personnel with them playing more man to man.

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Speaker 8: So I don't know if that is. You know, the

478
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Speaker 8: numbers might still be a little bit. We're only working

479
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Speaker 8: with the three game sample size, so I would say

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Speaker 8: that they've played more man, especially against Pittsburgh where it

481
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Speaker 8: was Carlon Davis on DK and Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin.

482
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Speaker 3: That was the game.

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Speaker 6: I noticed, Yeah, that that was really it.

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Speaker 8: So I could see it though this week playing a

485
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Speaker 8: lot more man again because like I keep saying, it's

486
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Speaker 8: really Ted that scares you. And even with Carlon Davis,

487
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Speaker 8: I feel like he matches up pretty well against Ted

488
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Speaker 8: and it can probably play well.

489
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Speaker 1: We need to know what how many reps they plan

490
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Speaker 1: for Ganzo. Is he going to be a full participant

491
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Speaker 1: in the game or is he just going to do

492
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Speaker 1: spot duty?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I would think he's a full participant in

494
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Speaker 3: the game if he's active for the game. I don't

495
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Speaker 3: know that corner is not generally a position. You do

496
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Speaker 3: that a lot. If you look back at like the

497
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Speaker 3: snap counts after every game, the two starting corners are

498
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Speaker 3: either at one hundred or they maybe had a like

499
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Speaker 3: a short yardage play that one or one or two

500
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Speaker 3: of them came off the field. They generally play one hundred.

501
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Speaker 3: That the starting corners play one hundred percent of the snaps. Yeah,

502
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Speaker 3: Now maybe you want to say, well, we're not going

503
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Speaker 3: to have him in the starting lineup, We're going to

504
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Speaker 3: have him as a third corner. I don't think that

505
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Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense with him. I think if

506
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Speaker 3: he's good enough to play, and I think he's going

507
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Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent if he plays, so I

508
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Speaker 3: would I would have him out there as much as

509
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Speaker 3: he can take. In terms of his conditioning, like Mike

510
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Speaker 3: talked about, Yes, I mean that that would need to

511
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Speaker 3: be monitored, but I wouldn't go in with an idea

512
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Speaker 3: of well, I'm gonna have him on third downs, Like,

513
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Speaker 3: I would have him ready to play full time, and

514
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Speaker 3: then if he you know, if he's tired or whatever,

515
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Speaker 3: he needs a blow, then you give him a rest.

516
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Speaker 7: Especially with Buffalo waiting next week, like to get him

517
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Speaker 7: as much experience and snaps as you can to to

518
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Speaker 7: try to prepare a little bit for that matchup.

519
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Speaker 1: Okay, Terrence from Colt's Territory says a longtime listener has

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Speaker 1: questions for each of us except for Alex. I'm sorry

521
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Speaker 1: they left you out, he says. Fred. What's the scene

522
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Speaker 1: like in Tampa Bay? The wife and I will be

523
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: there for the game against the Bucks. Any good eating

524
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Speaker 1: spots or team events. I mean, I don't know, as

525
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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 6: My first trip to Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 11: Actually Elite press box, but like, if you know Barryon,

528
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Speaker 11: siong or anyone out there knows of any parties going

529
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Speaker 11: on in Tampa Bay, let us know and we'll pass

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Speaker 11: along the news.

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Speaker 1: If you can get a reservation for Burns. It's one

532
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Speaker 1: of the best steakhouses in the country. Uh so I

533
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Speaker 1: would always recommend that cover that. I don't even know

534
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Speaker 1: if your salary.

535
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Speaker 12: There's some good coffee shops. Yeah, a coffee shop called Grove.

536
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Speaker 12: It got destroyed by like one of the most recent hurricanes.

537
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Speaker 12: I don't know if they've rebuilt, but good coffee shops.

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Speaker 1: I mean I used to go to school there, but

539
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Speaker 1: that was forty years ago, so everything's changed.

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Speaker 3: You went to like Mon's Venus though, when you went

541
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Speaker 3: to Never, No Never, No Never. Dude, are you speaking

542
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Speaker 3: of Elite Dude?

543
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Speaker 1: Are you confident the secretary secondary will turn things around

544
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Speaker 1: when Gonzo comes.

545
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Speaker 3: Backh ish Ish very paul like response.

546
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I mean, I want to see Craig

547
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Speaker 7: Woodson develop, and you know, I want to see Jalen

548
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Speaker 7: Hawkins kind of fit into his role.

549
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Speaker 4: But I mean, I've fel it'll be better.

550
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Speaker 7: I just I don't know how it's all going to

551
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 7: flush out with Charles Woods Marcus Jones. You know, once

552
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 7: they settle into what they've got, but if they keep

553
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 7: getting pressure up front, I don't I don't think it

554
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Speaker 7: matters all that much.

555
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Speaker 4: So I'm not worried, but I want to see what

556
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Speaker 4: it looks like.

557
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Speaker 1: Evan. Yes, well, adding Chisholm and giving Henderson more carries

558
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Speaker 1: make the offense more dynamic.

559
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Speaker 8: More dynamic, Yeah, that's the question. Adding Chishm is not

560
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Speaker 8: going to make the offense more dynamic. It might make

561
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Speaker 8: them more situationally aware, like you know, it might make

562
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Speaker 8: them more detailed, but I don't think it's going to

563
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Speaker 8: make them more explosive, like that's not his game.

564
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Speaker 1: But about more reliable.

565
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Speaker 8: Oh sure, Yeah, I think we're on the same page there. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 8: Like I think fourth and one with the game on

567
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Speaker 8: the line, like this chishom just charged forward and pick

568
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Speaker 8: up the first down.

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Speaker 6: Maybe.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I have a question, Okay, why are I feel

571
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Speaker 12: like all the narrative with the receiving core is like,

572
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Speaker 12: get Chisholm more involved.

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Speaker 5: Why not Kyle Williams or Digs Hmm.

574
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Speaker 6: Interesting, Yeah, it's a valid point.

575
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Speaker 4: Williams. Yeah, I like it.

576
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Speaker 5: Like Chisholm's the buzzword receiver right now, the.

577
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Speaker 4: Unknown like the summer boom. We had that summer flame

578
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Speaker 4: within Chisholm and man, it was going great.

579
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Speaker 8: And you know, I just like to see something season archetype,

580
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Speaker 8: and he fits fits the suit of what they.

581
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Speaker 4: Think.

582
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Speaker 8: He's the next Edelman or Amondola, and they want to

583
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Speaker 8: see him play. And I I think that there's some

584
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Speaker 8: truth to the fact that he plays like those guys

585
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Speaker 8: Like I'm not trying to, like, you know, say that

586
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Speaker 8: there's no evidence of that whatsoever. But I think what

587
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 8: we're seeing with Trevon Henderson, like to the email or

588
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Speaker 8: like it's doing it against backups in the preseason is

589
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Speaker 8: not the same as doing it on Sundays in September.

590
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Speaker 6: It's just it's a different game.

591
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Speaker 1: People, And you're right, but people just want to see.

592
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Speaker 8: Sure, you know Kenny do it, but you know Henderson

593
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Speaker 8: had a big game in Minnesota too against their backups,

594
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Speaker 8: and Chisholm had a huge game against their backups. And

595
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Speaker 8: then Henderson's gotten into the regular season and it's not

596
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Speaker 8: been the same.

597
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Speaker 1: And to Alex's point, Kyle Williams and Diggs are there

598
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Speaker 1: out of the.

599
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Speaker 5: I don't want to leave Booty out of it either.

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Speaker 12: I feel like him and Diggs have been really reliable

601
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Speaker 12: when you need them to make a play, and so

602
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Speaker 12: we can't give him a little more.

603
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Speaker 1: I mean, Paul did the wide receiver stats yesterday. It's

604
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Speaker 1: clear that, you know, we need to get our wide

605
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Speaker 1: receivers more productive. It can't all be tight ends uh

606
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Speaker 1: and throws out of the backfield to running backs. So

607
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Speaker 1: I think that's a maybe a point of emphasis for Josh.

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Speaker 6: I'd like to see Kyle Williams.

609
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Speaker 8: I think that the little that we have seen of him,

610
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Speaker 8: I've liked the routes that he's been running. I think

611
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Speaker 8: he's getting open and uh, you know, adds a speed

612
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Speaker 8: and more dynamic outside the numbers element that they don't

613
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Speaker 8: really get out of Hollins or Booty. So I would

614
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Speaker 8: like to see more Kyle Williams specific.

615
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Speaker 3: Those three guys, Booty Williams and Diggs, every time they've

616
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Speaker 3: thrown the ball to them or every time they've been involved,

617
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Speaker 3: is that they've generally done what they were supposed to do.

618
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Speaker 3: You can make an argument with Douglas and with Hollands

619
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Speaker 3: it hasn't always looked great when those guys have been involved.

620
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Speaker 3: So you have three guys that seemingly are doing what

621
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Speaker 3: they're supposed to do. I would like to see what

622
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Speaker 3: it looks like when they get those guys more involved

623
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Speaker 3: rather than you know, wholesale changes in and out. Now

624
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Speaker 3: chishom goes in and Douglas goes out. It's fine. Douglas

625
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 3: hasn't been overly productive. So if you think Chisholm can do,

626
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Speaker 3: you know, as a you know, fourth or fifth option,

627
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Speaker 3: more than what Douglas is doing, then I don't. I

628
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have any opposition to see in what it looks like.

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Speaker 7: You think the coaching staff like waits a certain amount

630
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Speaker 7: of time before they really start to think about making changes,

631
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Speaker 7: giving players enough of a sample size too.

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Speaker 4: This guy might be up and down Chishm.

633
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Speaker 3: In particular, and I thought it was interesting some of

634
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Speaker 3: the stuff that I read because I was not in

635
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Speaker 3: on Evan. You might have been last time we had

636
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Speaker 3: offensive coaches. I think Todd Downing talked about he's not

637
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: really ready yet, like they're working with him on the

638
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Speaker 3: outside a little bit, trying to get.

639
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Speaker 6: Him more versatile.

640
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's coming. I think that I don't think

641
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Speaker 3: that they've like closed the door on Eft and Chisholm.

642
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 3: I just don't feel like they think he's ready yet.

643
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Speaker 13: Ye.

644
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Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's more about versatility.

645
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Speaker 8: Like he's a slot only player, and so if you

646
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Speaker 8: are going to have Pop be your slot guy and

647
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 8: then Diggs is also going to play a little bit

648
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Speaker 8: inside Diggs, it's like where, you know, where do the

649
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 8: snaps come? Did you know that from from Chisholm? You know,

650
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Speaker 8: where do you play unless you bench Pop?

651
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Speaker 6: Like that's really it.

652
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Speaker 8: But I think the only thing with the receivers that

653
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 8: stands out to me is they've been very situational. And

654
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Speaker 8: I think that that's partially Josh, Like I think he's

655
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Speaker 8: always going to kind of be that way, but uh

656
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Speaker 8: there you know, Pop is only on the field for

657
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 8: like fifteen percent of their run plays, eighty six percent

658
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Speaker 8: of his snaps have been past plays, so now they

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Speaker 8: would be seven seven percent of his plays have been

660
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Speaker 8: past plays. So they're really like they have their run

661
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Speaker 8: players and then they have their past players, and that's

662
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Speaker 8: like where you're seeing them. You know, divvy up the

663
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Speaker 8: snaps between Holland's booty digs and pop.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to interrupted. I think that's a really good point.

665
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Speaker 3: If that's an area that they think Chisholm might be

666
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 3: able to help them, I'd be interested in that too,

667
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: because he is a little he's more, he gives more

668
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: physicality than to Mario Douglas. He's a little bigger, and

669
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Speaker 3: he does play, as Vrabel said all summer with with

670
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: good play strength. So if he can be on the

671
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 3: field and you can run the ball more when he's

672
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Speaker 3: on the field, that could be an advantage for the

673
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: offense that you don't get with to Mario Douglas. I again,

674
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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what it looks like too.

675
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Final question goes to Paul favorite Drew Bledsoe game.

676
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: Mine is the ninety nine comeback against the Colts at

677
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: Old Foxboro Stadium. Ben Coates had a monster game.

678
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: Oh that's a that's an underrated kind of forgotten that

679
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: miracle comeback game. Yeah, that was my second ever game

680
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: working for Freddy. I would say, back to my two

681
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: favorites of they're back to back games, but I'm going

682
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 3: to go if I have to pick just one, it's

683
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: the Miami comeback on a Monday night with the broken

684
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 3: finger and the touchdown passed to Sean Jefferson. Now next

685
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 3: week they did the same thing yep, to Buffalo, but

686
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: that was a little fluky because of the pass interference

687
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: in the end zone that gave him the untied down

688
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: and then he threw the touchdown to Ben Coates to

689
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: win the game. It was a back to back weeks.

690
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Speaker 3: I know will come back. I was in the stands

691
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: bro Okay, I remember those games.

692
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Speaker 1: He had literally had a pin drink. He broke his

693
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: finger and he had a pinch him. TA came out.

694
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Speaker 1: And then in the third sequence of that game, they

695
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: went to Saint Louis to play the Rams.

696
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: For like three hundred yards, but then came out.

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00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: He couldn't have to game the game. They had to

698
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: take it out, take him out of the game, but

699
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: he was That was a tough performance those three games

700
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: by by Paul's Guy surgery though it's yeah, Cody uh

701
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: is out of Indianapolis. He says, I don't know if

702
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: it's the PTSD from the last few years, but this

703
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: game feels trappy. If the strength of Carolina is turning

704
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: the ball over on defense, then it seems like they

705
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: might be getting New England right at the at the

706
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: exact right time. Vrabel has them ready to come out

707
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: of the gates quickly. Also, he says he's owed a

708
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Speaker 1: T shirt Matt.

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Speaker 12: Matt, does it feel trappy if Carolina just won a

710
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 12: trap game?

711
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 14: Though?

712
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: But can you can you be a team coming off

713
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: four wins and track Usually draft games are for good team.

714
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: To the bill, but it is where to be.

715
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: They forced for five turnovers, so I'm not necessarily willing

716
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: to say that that's like, that's what they did last game.

717
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: It's like the Patriots. Are the Patriots turnover prolane? Or

718
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: do they turn it over five times last game? I

719
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Speaker 3: mean we're hoping.

720
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Speaker 1: Well, that's what I said. It's too early to define

721
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: a team as who they are ye going into week four?

722
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, that's and that goes back to like, at

723
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 7: what point do you say it's too early to start

724
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 7: to make changes? We need to give guys a little

725
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 7: bit of leeway to make some mistakes and maybe have

726
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 7: a bad game and then bounce back from it, rather

727
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 7: than right out of the gate game three, you don't

728
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 7: play well, you have a couple drops or turnovers to whatever.

729
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 3: Age when you're one and two, there's not a trap game.

730
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 3: I mean they might. I'm not telling you they cannot

731
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: lose this game, like they physically can't better not, but

732
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: it's not going to because if it's a trap game, yeah, no,

733
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: Like they're one and two and they've won three of

734
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 3: their last nineteen home games.

735
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 7: Now, and that's I mean, it just feels weird to

736
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 7: be the favorite and to say like we have to win.

737
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 7: That's what feels weird to me, not that it's like

738
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 7: a trap game like that. There's a tiny bit of expectation.

739
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 3: Buffalo's hosting New Orleans this week.

740
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 6: They're looking ahead to the Patriot.

741
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: I don't care who, they're just looking ahead to what.

742
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 6: Happened Buffalo team is, do you know what I'm saying?

743
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: Like that would be a trap if they were to

744
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: lose at home to New Orleans. They suffered you know,

745
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 3: teen and a half point favorites, right, that's a trap game.

746
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo might be the new team that plays home every week.

747
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: Then is starting to feel like it that offense.

748
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 6: I watched that tape this morning, Dolph.

749
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: All just like Paul tries to take me seriously.

750
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: No, I'm actually thinking because like the Denver one is hilarious.

751
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: It gets me. It makes me laught literally every time.

752
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: But sometimes you do those and like they've been on

753
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: the road three weeks ago or something like that. But

754
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: I was like, who the Buffalo play last week?

755
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: They played at home at night?

756
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 6: Right, I think against Miami.

757
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: Played at home against Miami on the Thursday night.

758
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 6: It was Monday night.

759
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, eight five five pats on the hot one.

760
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: I literally just watched it, Okay, literally, Yeah, let's go

761
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: to Brad in Ohio. What's up Brad.

762
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Speaker 6: Thursday night?

763
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Speaker 15: You have me either way observation in questions here for you.

764
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Speaker 15: First of all, one of the things it's kind of

765
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 15: been alarming, as the Trevion Henderson usage and the way

766
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 15: calling seems redundant when he's in there. And so I'm

767
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 15: a little bit concerned because every time I got touched.

768
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Speaker 16: As the ball he gets I mean like it really hard.

769
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Speaker 15: And then as pass blogging obviously been a question, you know, and.

770
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Speaker 16: He's supposed to be good at that, and I felt

771
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Speaker 16: like Donovan Edwards was the same kind of player. So

772
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Speaker 16: I'm wondering about that pick at the second round pick,

773
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Speaker 16: I mean, considering what we've seen so far. And then

774
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Speaker 16: I wondered if Fan and Junior I mean not to

775
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 16: be hypothetical, but seemed like tight in depth might be

776
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 16: something we have a problem with too. And then I

777
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 16: agree with Alex completely that we should start incorporating Williams

778
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 16: into the offense more. I mean, the guys delite and

779
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 16: we're not even giving him a chance to play. I

780
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 16: think he should take I hate to say this pops

781
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 16: place earlier on the So what do you guys think

782
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 16: about that?

783
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: All right?

784
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: Thanks?

785
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing ish Trevion Henderson's usage.

786
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I mean I agree that I'd like

787
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: to see him be able to get into space a

788
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: little bit more.

789
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 7: I mean, we were watching that game last week and

790
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 7: felt like he was taking a ton of contact that

791
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 7: doesn't really seem slippery inside the hole, like just seems

792
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 7: like he.

793
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 4: Kind of goes just straightforward, lowers the shoulder.

794
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 7: I mean, I like the physicality that he tries to

795
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 7: play with, but it's concerning that he's going to hold

796
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 7: up just say he's a rookie. It's been three games.

797
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 7: I think Josh is creative. There's going to be a

798
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 7: chance for him to make some plays going forward. But

799
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 7: I agree with the general sentiment that a lot of

800
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 7: and I think I saw his carry chart two where

801
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 7: it was all just kind of the same kind of

802
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 7: carries off to the left side of the line, So

803
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 7: I mean they've.

804
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: Been trying to get screens going too, it's just he's been.

805
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 3: Aware of that is a little different. The second half

806
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: of the game against Pittsburgh, to me, is not necessarily

807
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: like he was the guy the other two guys run

808
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: on the bench after frumbling and he was taking the

809
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: regular early down carries and Henderson is not generally in

810
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: my this is just my opinion. I don't think he's

811
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: in between the tackles, consistent between the tackles option, but

812
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 3: he had to get the regular run plays like as

813
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: Evan always talks about, like you know, the gap and

814
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: duos and all the you know, that's I don't think

815
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: that's his game. And you guys both pointed out he

816
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 3: was really sort of not seeing it really well and

817
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: running like right into the first tackler that he could

818
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: find and trying to like punish guys. I don't think

819
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: that suits him, but I don't necessarily look at that

820
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: as like, what's Josh McDaniel's doing. They had no choice

821
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: last week. They had to adjust on the fly. They

822
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: decided Stevenson and Gibson weren't getting any more carries. Yeah,

823
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: and that's why I think he ended up with eleven

824
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: carries in that game. Yeah.

825
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's important to remember too that

826
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 7: even though Trevan Henderson came in with a lot of

827
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 7: praise for his pass blocking, remember how long it took

828
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 7: a lot of these guys to develop. You know, James White,

829
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 7: I remember him in the in the twenty fifteen AFC

830
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 7: Championship where he had like fifteen targets only caught like

831
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 7: six of them. It felt like, man, there's what's going

832
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 7: on here. And then of course cut to a year later,

833
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 7: he's a huge part of the offense. He's, you know,

834
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 7: arguably one of the guys that helped them win that

835
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 7: Super Bowl when they came from behind scored points.

836
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 4: So it might take a little time with him, maybe it's.

837
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 7: It's the fault of returning the first kickoff of the preseason,

838
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 7: and expectations were through the roof, and every time we

839
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 7: saw him play this spring or summer, it was like, Wow,

840
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 7: this is impressive.

841
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: He glides, he runs at a different level. He has

842
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: some electricity to his game, and I think we're all

843
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: hoping to see that at some point.

844
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Well, when's the last time we saw a Patriots running

845
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: back And I know this was a kickoff, but not

846
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: get caught from behind?

847
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: I mean Gibson didn't either.

848
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's true, he did outrun the cover.

849
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: Wow, hope.

850
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

851
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 8: I don't think Trayvon Henderson's problem is predictability or play

852
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 8: calling or anything like that. Game's moving a little fast

853
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 8: form right now. I think the reads and the processing

854
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 8: and the vision between the tackles is not where it

855
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 8: needs to be yet for him to be, you know,

856
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 8: a workhorse or lead back or whatever you want to

857
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 8: call it. I just don't think he's there yet.

858
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 6: Now.

859
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 8: I do think that there's still a ton of value

860
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 8: in just getting his speed on the field and using

861
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 8: his speed, probably more in the passing game and the

862
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 8: run game. But even if it's just a decoy or something.

863
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 8: Just to have that level of dimension to the offense

864
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 8: I think is important. But he's got a long way

865
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 8: to go as a between the tackles runner, like Paul is.

866
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: So in thirty two touches for Stevenson so far in

867
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 3: the season, thirty for Henderson. So like, I know, there's

868
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 3: been a lot of talk and the three of us

869
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: have sort of looked at each other like what are

870
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: we missing? Like every game the game ends and it's

871
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: like they got to get Stevenson the ball more, And

872
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: I'm like, did I not see all these these times

873
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 3: that he has the ball in his hands? And I'm

874
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: not giving up on him by it. We talked about

875
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: this yesterday. When you guys leave us, Fred niet Real

876
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: still talk about football. We still talk about football sometimes

877
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 3: when even when you guys leave us just shot and

878
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: I'm by far not even thinking about giving up on

879
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: this guy. But he has gotten some opportunity so far,

880
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: and it's been what's the production has been?

881
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: To be kind modest, But let me ask a question,

882
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: because we've talked about Henderson, you know, not really seeing

883
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: the you know, not having the vision and just running

884
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: into the first tackler. I remember youth football. And I

885
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: know that's youth football, but like running backs, including myself,

886
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: like being yelled at hit the hole. I don't care,

887
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: don't you know, just hit the.

888
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: Whole foot down and yeah.

889
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: And maybe like when you're first starting out, do you

890
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: think they're like trust your blockers. And now he hasn't

891
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: like freelanced yet, but I wish.

892
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 8: If he would trust his blockers, like he's he's not

893
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 8: being patient enough to let the blocking develop, right, and

894
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 8: he's just going one hundred miles an hour into the

895
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. Yeah, so if he's gonna just kind

896
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 8: of fall the blocking, I hear what you're saying.

897
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 6: But he's got to tempo the run.

898
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 8: He's got to pace the run better because what he's

899
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 8: doing is he's running into the back of his offensive

900
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 8: lineman before they can even get into the blocks. So,

901
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 8: you know, I was actually talking to Demandre Stevenson about

902
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 8: this a couple of weeks ago, and the differences between

903
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 8: running out of the shotgun and running from what they

904
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 8: call the dot, you know, and the backfield they're under center.

905
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 8: The under center runs typically don't have as much like

906
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 8: freedom to kind of cut and you know, survey and

907
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 8: things like that it's more just get downhill and hit

908
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 8: the hole.

909
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 6: Right.

910
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 8: But if you're gonna do that, there's still like a

911
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 8: pacing to it that you don't want.

912
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 6: You don't want to come out of the blocks at

913
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 6: one hundred miles an hour.

914
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 8: You want to kind of tempo the run so that

915
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 8: the blocking can develop and then hit the hole. So

916
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 8: I think right now for Henderson he's just it's all

917
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 8: moving pretty fast for him, and he's just one hundred

918
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 8: miles an hour with no brakes, and it's just not

919
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 8: developing a lot, not letting the plays develop.

920
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: We just see some jump cuts though from him this

921
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 4: summer that I.

922
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 7: Thought, oh yeah, talk about well that's what us excited. Yeah,

923
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 7: he does have that ability.

924
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: We know he's got the ability. Yeah, just he's not

925
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: doing it yet. Yeah.

926
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 8: The only thing that concerns me a little bit is

927
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 8: that this was the book on him at Ohio State

928
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 8: as well, was that he doesn't really have the best

929
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 8: vision between the tackles and Paul's brought up quin Shawn

930
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 8: Jenkins a bunch of times, like they kind of brought

931
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 8: in Judkins to put Henderson in more of like a

932
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 8: space spell back role on purpose, and like I think

933
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 8: that's who he is, and that's not like a knock

934
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 8: if he could be really good in that role, but

935
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 8: to deuce his point pass protection, site adjustments, you know,

936
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 8: those types of things can all kind of take time.

937
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: Sure, David writes in he says, the discourse online seems

938
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: that Panthers think this is an easy win for them.

939
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm wondering where they're getting this confidence from. Does the

940
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: league still look at this team the way they have

941
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: the last two years? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's like.

942
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: Just the same exactly, we're looking at this as a win, right,

943
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: We're doing the same same thing.

944
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 8: Their coach did have some interesting comments. I don't know

945
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 8: if that's what he's talking about about. They they don't

946
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 8: do very much, don't do much, but they do it

947
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 8: very well.

948
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 3: Yeah that comment, Yeah, so.

949
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: Was that aimed at the Patriots generally or yeah, no, generally.

950
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 3: He was going back to Tennessee. He was saying, yeah,

951
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: they don't they don't do a lot, but they do

952
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: it exceptionally well. And I didn't really look at it

953
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: that way. I thought that was kind of surprising to hear.

954
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: Canalis say that I agree with that?

955
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it could have just been coach speak

956
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 6: like it's.

957
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 4: Respectful and it's an it's bulletin board material.

958
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 6: It's not about the disrespects.

959
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of I.

960
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 6: Think it's opposite.

961
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 4: I think that they searching here, guys. Come on.

962
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 3: I think he gave it too much. I think they

963
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 3: do a lot of different things, and some of them

964
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: they haven't well right.

965
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 8: I think they do a bunch of different things schematically,

966
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 8: but like he said that they play like good clean football.

967
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 8: It's like, did you watch this team last week? They

968
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 8: turned the ball over five times? Not exactly, so I

969
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 8: think it might have just been a little bit of

970
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 8: coach speak on.

971
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just talking about operational.

972
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: That hasn't been like I just felt.

973
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: Like twelve men on the field, you know.

974
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 3: Okay, but there's been a lot of sloppiness.

975
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 6: Penalty.

976
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, ed in Tallahassee. If the Patriots do not beat

977
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: the Panthers on Sunday, then the Patriots have declared the

978
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: remainder of their season.

979
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, Oh okay, it's not entirely wrong. I mean,

980
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: it might be knee jerk, but you're probably staring at

981
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: one in four. Yeah, it's tough to come out of

982
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: that hole.

983
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: Yep.

984
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean what I've seen too is with three home

985
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 3: losses too.

986
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, right, And just my experience in the last

987
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 7: two years was that it's hard. It gets harder, it

988
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 7: gets harder to dig out of those holes, like the

989
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 7: more it's hard to keep everybody on the same page.

990
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 7: It's hard to keep the locker room like the losing

991
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 7: season snowball on you. That's one of the biggest things

992
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 7: I've learned the last two seasons. Every week gets worse.

993
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: And what's the number one thing heading into the season

994
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: that we were all concerned about the lack of depth? Yeah, yeah,

995
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: So that hasn't really reared its head yet because they've been,

996
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: as Evan pointed out, relatively healthy minus Gonzo, which is

997
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: a huge I'm not saying, well, that's nothing, but there's

998
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: there are teams that are missing five and six starters

999
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: in these games, and the Patriots have been missing one

1000
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: very important one, but one, I mean backs.

1001
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 8: Carolina's missing two starting offensive linemen. They're starting center and

1002
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 8: right guard. They're on backups at both positions, and you

1003
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 8: know they have injuries on the injury report and they

1004
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 8: they're already going through it too.

1005
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh. Norrie from Arizona, wondering if there's a need

1006
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: or an urgency to have a couple of offensive guys

1007
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: involved in the offense sooner than later. I saw a

1008
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: tweet from Mike Reese that Trevion Henderson was the first

1009
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: and tackling ball carrier drills during yesterday's practice. To me,

1010
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: that indicates they're looking to get him more involved in

1011
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: the offense. I was thinking initially they were looking to

1012
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 1: ease him into the offense early on. In the second

1013
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: half of the season, he would be used more. Hence,

1014
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: that's why we likely have been seeing more of Stevenson

1015
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: involved in these first three games. Well, listen, if if

1016
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: what you're saying is true and what Mike res tweeted

1017
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: out is accurate, and that he's the first guy in

1018
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: the drill, maybe it is a sign that he's going

1019
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,479
Speaker 1: to be the lead back.

1020
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 6: I wouldn't look into it, but if it changes every day.

1021
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: But if if that's what it is, why would you

1022
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: think the reason for that would.

1023
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: Be because of the fumbling.

1024
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 3: Correct? Yes, not because they're looking to get Henderson more.

1025
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's like, yeah, it's not it's a

1026
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: need because of the fumbling.

1027
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: Right, That's that's what I'm I just like I I

1028
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: would like, you know, maybe we'll go out there today

1029
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 3: and we'll see if it's the same order.

1030
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 8: But like I would venture to guess that that that

1031
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 8: is not a particular order that I think guys get

1032
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 8: get in line and it just like and.

1033
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: Pop about that.

1034
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: I I in general, this is not It's more circumstantial

1035
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: than you think this is.

1036
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: They do this drill every single practice, No, I know

1037
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: they do, and like just judging from all the practices,

1038
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: it's usually the top dog is.

1039
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 3: The top starters are usually up front. Like I would

1040
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: say those three guys are starters. They wouldn't raise an

1041
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: eyebrow to me for Gibson, Stevenson or Henderson. Those are

1042
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: the three running backs. I mean Marcus Jones, Jennings. I've

1043
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: seen Marcus.

1044
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 8: Jones do this drill, like as an offensive player. He's

1045
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 8: not playing offense.

1046
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: So like I does the drill, but does he do

1047
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: it and he's the first one out of the shoot.

1048
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 8: I just don't think the order matters. Like I I've

1049
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 8: been one, Like we watch it all summer, Like I know,

1050
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 8: so like I did you take into account, like did

1051
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 8: you think about the order?

1052
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: I always noticed that, like the top dog in the

1053
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: in the room is usually the first guy.

1054
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't like, I don't think Gigs is always

1055
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 8: the first receiver through the drill.

1056
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: I don't think he has been either, And I don't

1057
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 3: think that he's been their top receiver, Like I don't.

1058
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just like,

1059
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 8: but that's something that I think we need to, like,

1060
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 8: let's see what it is. If it's the same as

1061
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 8: it was yesterday today, then maybe there's something.

1062
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: Mike thought it was notable.

1063
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 5: There's just so much a practice because it is notable.

1064
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, they don't want us to see the really notable

1065
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 12: stuff they're doing.

1066
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 6: I think that type of stuff.

1067
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 8: That's sort of my point is like if they made

1068
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 8: it that predictable that every single time the person that

1069
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 8: first running back into the drill is the starting running

1070
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 8: back on a week like this, it just doesn't seem

1071
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 8: like something that they would do it.

1072
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 3: And I do think it's notable this week because of

1073
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: the fumble situation. I do think there's a chance that

1074
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: Henderson led that drill off because he's going to be

1075
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: getting the first carry on on Sunday.

1076
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 7: Those are the two storylines of chances there are the

1077
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 7: two storylines. I don't get right now, you said the

1078
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 7: numbers he touched the ball thirty times. I don't know

1079
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 7: what the people are claiming for him to touch the

1080
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 7: ball every single snap of the game, Like, I don't

1081
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 7: understand what that means. And then I also don't understand this.

1082
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 7: Stefon Diggs needs to play more on the slot, like

1083
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 7: I mean with that was that was a storyline yesterday

1084
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 7: too where it's like he's played half his.

1085
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 4: Snaps in the slot, Like you don't want Stefon Diggs

1086
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: to be an.

1087
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 3: Exclusive slot when they have three receivers on the field,

1088
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: he slides in, Yeah, which is great, so when you

1089
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: only have two on the field.

1090
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 7: Slot to be had, but that's like a good sign

1091
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 7: that he's able to play inside and outside. If he's

1092
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 7: just playing in the slot only, it's a much worse sign.

1093
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 7: And again, he's playing there a bunch, So I don't

1094
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 7: I don't get.

1095
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Where they line up, just worry about where they end up.

1096
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 3: Van can make me, you know if I'm wrong on this,

1097
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Speaker 3: Like I kind of feel like Diggs has been more

1098
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 3: or less like in the traditional slot and when Douglas

1099
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 3: is in there. It's almost kind of like, yeah, so

1100
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: Edelman played like if that's totally wrong, you won't hurt

1101
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 3: my feelings.

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00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 4: So there's Z.

1103
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 6: It's just it's just easier to just describe it with

1104
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 6: the letters.

1105
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 4: So there's X, Z and F.

1106
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 8: Okay, so X and the Z receiver are your base receivers.

1107
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 8: The F receiver is the pure slot. That's the Danny

1108
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 8: am Mondola. That's the guy that comes in in three

1109
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 8: receiver sets and obvious pass and plays purely in the slot. Douglas, Yeah,

1110
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 8: Edelman is a Z like Edelman was a flanker, move receiver.

1111
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 6: He was a Z piece. He played a lot on

1112
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 6: base offense.

1113
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 8: Diggs has played more in the zerole, so he's more

1114
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 8: like Edelman, right, and then Pop is more in the

1115
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 8: F role. He's more like a Mondola. The X role

1116
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 8: has been a lot of Matt Collins and Kishon Booty.

1117
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 8: Now they've had a lot of formations now too where

1118
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 8: it's Booty and Hollins, but those have been more like

1119
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 8: run based formation, twelve personnel.

1120
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 6: We're loading up to run the football.

1121
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 8: So Pop to me is like got one, really, Danny

1122
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 8: a Mondola Now, not the same skill set as Danny

1123
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 8: A Mondola, but that's the role of the offense that

1124
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 8: he is playing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Dominique is in New York. What's up? Dominique?

1126
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 17: Hey y'all, how you doing?

1127
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 3: Good?

1129
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Speaker 17: First, foremost, I want to shout out the stand club

1130
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Speaker 17: section or the fan section on your site. Obviously, I'm

1131
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 17: out here in New York City and I've been able

1132
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 17: to actually find some good pass bars, one being East Point,

1133
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 17: So thank you for putting that together. It's finally nice

1134
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Speaker 17: to be around some other people room for the Pats. Second,

1135
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 17: I wanted to call it something real quick. I feel

1136
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 17: like we talk about a little bit, not so much,

1137
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 17: but the linebacking group. I'm kind of unsure what to.

1138
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 18: Make of it.

1139
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 17: I know, Roberts Blaine, you know how the first you know,

1140
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 17: a couple of rough weeks, But beyond that, I'm trying

1141
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 17: to figure out who does what well? Like is given

1142
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 17: good in between for like coverage and run stopping. Is

1143
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 17: blame more of just run stopping? What does martin mate do?

1144
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 17: What is the combination of linebackers that can help make

1145
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 17: sure this team actually looks I guess decent in that area,

1146
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 17: especially when it comes to coverage. I think that's been

1147
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 17: a concern that I've noticed in the first couple of games.

1148
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 17: I know, we haven't seen a larger ponder. I'm not

1149
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 17: really sure of what he does. I'm not saying put

1150
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 17: him in, but what combination looks best? Who does what well?

1151
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 17: And I guess what would you Let's see from that

1152
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 17: group moving forward as well, and I'll.

1153
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Speaker 1: Take it off.

1154
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Speaker 4: Thanks, all right, thanks Dominique, Landry, just keep doing what

1155
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 4: you're doing.

1156
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Speaker 8: That's I mean, well, Landry had been ponder our edge

1157
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 8: guys like they're on the line of scrimmage players. But

1158
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 8: like Explain, I thought was playing a lot better in

1159
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 8: this past game because they were using him moving forward,

1160
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 8: read and react, go, get the football, less in man coverage,

1161
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 8: less in high leverage zone. So like they really kind

1162
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 8: of played him to his straints. And I think that

1163
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 8: that's true with all these linebackers. I don't think they

1164
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 8: have an all purpose linebacker that's good at everything.

1165
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 6: I think they have a.

1166
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 8: Guys that just like Bill would do, where they have

1167
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 8: situational roles or roles that you know. I think Splain

1168
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 8: is more of a run stopping linebacker. I think Ellis

1169
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 8: can play a little bit more in the past game

1170
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 8: and maybe it'll be a little bit more coverage oriented.

1171
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 8: Maphu's a converted safety, so he's definitely more of a

1172
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 8: coverage player. But I think right now the problem that

1173
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 8: they're finding themselves in is that they don't have linebackers

1174
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 8: that are kind of well rounded. So you can get

1175
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 8: Splain in coverage, and then you can take advantage of

1176
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 8: splaying coverage, or you can get Ellis at the point

1177
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 8: of attack in the run game and you can run

1178
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 8: Ellis over you know, map who's not going to play

1179
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 8: in a run situation. So I think that's where they're

1180
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 8: getting picked on, is can we get the running back

1181
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 8: on Splaine? You know, we like that matchup if Ellis

1182
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 8: is on the field, you know, let's run it weak

1183
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 8: and let's run it at Ellis and then we like

1184
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 8: that matchup.

1185
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 6: So it's a that's where they're getting beat right now.

1186
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 7: The mix some dugger into is you know, covering tight

1187
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 7: ends him and Mapu, and that just speaks to the

1188
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 7: specialization that you're kind of talking about. We said yesterday,

1189
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Speaker 7: what's something you would look at next year, Like trying

1190
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 7: to find that every down linebacker I think would really

1191
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 7: be a huge key for this defense to.

1192
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 4: Tie it all together.

1193
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Speaker 7: I mean, I like Splain, but you know, we'll see

1194
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 7: how he continues to progress. But how's Jelani Tavai fit into.

1195
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 7: I think that's part of this equation, and I wouldn't

1196
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 7: be surprised. We talked about it yesterday. I'd see him

1197
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 7: come in and you know, really be in every down

1198
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 7: player next to Splaine. I think he's got the skill

1199
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Speaker 7: set to do it and has some versatility, more size

1200
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 7: than than ellis harder to run at.

1201
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Speaker 4: But we'll see how they fit him in. He's an

1202
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 4: interesting player.

1203
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Dan and Virginia and Michigan writes. Paul noted that the

1204
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: offense last Sunday was like pulling teeth, and Evan has

1205
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: noted the lack of big plays so explode plays right

1206
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: as well.

1207
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Speaker 6: Excellent.

1208
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: So what is the reason. What is the reason for

1209
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the lack of dynamic offense? Is Josh still stuck in

1210
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: a strategy of death by a thousand cuts? Are no

1211
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: receivers getting open deep? Or is made not seeing them

1212
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: when they do get open deep?

1213
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 8: I don't think they have a third dimension to the

1214
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 8: offense right now. I think that's the biggest thing they

1215
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 8: don't have a deep passing game. I personally think that

1216
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 8: that's personnel. I like, who on the roster besides Kyle

1217
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 8: Williams really brings a down the field element. So they're

1218
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 8: running a lot of wheels and seams and things like

1219
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 8: that out of the backfield to try to get these

1220
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,439
Speaker 8: tight ends and running backs vertical and try to hunt

1221
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 8: matchups in the middle of the field to hit big plays.

1222
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 8: They've hit chunks, they just haven't hit that, you know,

1223
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 8: fifty sixty yard bomb. They hit the one to Remandre,

1224
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 8: but even that was like a twenty five yard pass

1225
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 8: that turns into a fifty five yard pass. So I

1226
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 8: think that's what's missing from the offense right now. From

1227
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 8: that standpoint, They're not terrible in terms of twenty plus

1228
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 8: yard gains, but their twenty plus yard gains are only

1229
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 8: gaining twenty yards at a time. They're not gaining fifty

1230
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 8: yards on their explosive plays.

1231
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: Dan's other question, I think he had it a little

1232
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: bit wrong. He says in the postgame show and Tuesday's show,

1233
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: the fumbles were put down to players trying to do

1234
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: too much. It was no just Drake Drake May's Yeah,

1235
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: Ramandre Stevenson wasn't trying to do too much. You talked

1236
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: to the offensive, but Drake, especially in that one play,

1237
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: it looked like he was trying to get heroes. Yeah, yeah,

1238
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: there goes out.

1239
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: I agree with Fred's summation of that. I think we

1240
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,919
Speaker 3: all mentioned that Drake needs to stop those plays when

1241
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 3: they're over.

1242
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they stopped trying to do they feel mental errors.

1243
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 4: To me, they feel the other.

1244
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: Three fumbles were not an example of trying to do

1245
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: too much.

1246
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 7: Drake's interception too, which is they felt like he rushed it.

1247
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 7: He had the time, he has the throw, he just

1248
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 7: you know, gets excited, and I think that's hopefully part

1249
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 7: of the experience thing that'll calm down a little bit.

1250
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 1: So Evan's off to the locker room.

1251
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,240
Speaker 4: Josh, Josh, just Josh.

1252
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, David's in Florida. What's up, David?

1253
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 3: When she smirks.

1254
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 2: Us, you guys, guy, guys, what's are going good?

1255
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: David?

1256
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 17: I have to uh excuse me.

1257
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 19: I have to maybe push back a little bit on

1258
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 19: something that Paul said. I think it was last show

1259
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 19: or the show before. He was talking about how it

1260
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 19: seems like the offense has these long, extended drives and

1261
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 19: he kind of described it as you know it, they're

1262
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 19: they're putting their all into these drives that aren't doing anything.

1263
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 19: And I just had a sort of had a question,

1264
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 19: is like, isn't it a good thing that we have

1265
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 19: these extended drives that take up time? Obviously not in

1266
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 19: the end of the game, but I feel like it's

1267
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 19: good that we have, you know, these extended, long drives

1268
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 19: that can wear out the defense.

1269
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: What I said was, it's it's kind of frustrating that

1270
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 3: they have these long drives that don't result in points,

1271
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 3: and there are different reasons. The thing that I was

1272
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 3: sort of arguing with Fred postgame about was last year

1273
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: they would have these drives, and you know, they would

1274
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 3: have It wasn't every game, but they were games where

1275
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 3: they moved the ball reasonably well and they would get

1276
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 3: in position to score and there'd be a holding call

1277
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 3: or a sack allowed and they would end up with

1278
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: no points. On Sunday, they had these long drives that

1279
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 3: looked like they were going well and they would get

1280
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: down there and drop the ball. So a different reason

1281
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: for failing. But at the end of the day, you

1282
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 3: looked in like the Colts game last year, they had

1283
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 3: like four hundred and twenty two yards of total offense

1284
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: in twenty four points, and you're like, how did how

1285
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 3: did they only end up with twenty four points on Sunday?

1286
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: You look and you're like three hundred and sixty nine

1287
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: yards of offense but only fourteen points. How did that happen?

1288
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 3: It was a little bit easier to unidentify why that

1289
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: happened in this game, But I'm wondering, is that just

1290
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: what it is? Like the offense? Yeah, I'm gonna find

1291
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: a way to not score as make points as they should.

1292
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: I agreed, David. It is a good sign that they're

1293
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: able to sustain it. They just have to finish.

1294
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: They had some good drives on Sunday. Yes, they did,

1295
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: and that was a good thing. They had one ninety

1296
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: plus yard drive.

1297
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 19: Were you just referring to Sunday's game or are you

1298
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 19: talking about overall?

1299
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: No, in general?

1300
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 19: Maybe I was missing night.

1301
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: No, and I'm talking about the offense in general, like

1302
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: under May, I'm talking about Drake Man.

1303
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: One of the one of the differences I see in

1304
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: this offense from last year, like when it's third and

1305
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: eight or the behind the sticks, I feel like there's

1306
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: hope that they're going to convert.

1307
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 5: I had no hope the last year four years.

1308
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had nod hope when May became the quarterback

1309
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: last year they could. They could some of those like

1310
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 3: you don't convert a lot of.

1311
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Speaker 19: Them when they do have to move the ball quickly.

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Speaker 19: I feel like they do have the ability to with

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Speaker 19: especially on those like third those like third Nates with

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Speaker 19: Diggs and Hollins and Henry and those kind of guys.

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Speaker 13: I feel like they.

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Speaker 19: Are doing that at a significantly better rate than they

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 19: than they were last year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't.

1319
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 19: See that, but it just felt like you were you were.

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: They did Sunday a little bit. They did that Sunday.

1321
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: I'll say that they didn't do it in the first game.

1322
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: I didn't do it in the second half of the

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00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 3: second game.

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Speaker 1: I have much more hope this year that it's Sunday.

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00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 3: If we're just going off a Sunday and that's what

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: it is, I agree with you. I have hope.

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00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: But there was building signs in all three games.

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Speaker 3: Not the first game. Okay, they didn't move the ball

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Speaker 3: in the first game at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, that's all I'm saying.

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00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: It's like we're just going off of a very recent

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00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 3: track record. Sunday. It's it's obvious they moved the ball

1333
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Speaker 3: on Sunday. Anybody would say I I going to keep

1334
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Speaker 3: saying this year that way.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel.

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00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: But it was this game, Okay, But what I'm telling

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00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: you they didn't move the ball against the Raiders. They didn't.

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00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: Okay, but I saw a semblance of an offense building

1339
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: towards something. I didn't see that last year. I see

1340
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: that this year, and but building.

1341
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 3: When I'm giving you the facts that they had four

1342
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 3: different games that they moved the ball far better than

1343
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: they did against the Raiders this year last year. Okay,

1344
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 3: but I gave you that, and you just ignore it.

1345
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you because in your mind's eye, you're

1346
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 3: just saying, it just looks better to me this year.

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Speaker 1: It does.

1348
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 3: It looks better to do that too. I can just

1349
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 3: say it looks better and just you don't have to.

1350
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: But I am.

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Speaker 3: Against Pittsburgh, it looked better. It was better because they

1352
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: moved the ball. As as David said, they had like

1353
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: a ninety six yard drive in that game that resulted

1354
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Speaker 3: in no points. I also that's a great drive.

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Speaker 1: I also saw at the beginning of the Miami game.

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Speaker 1: It looked better.

1357
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Speaker 3: The first two drives of the Miami game were.

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Speaker 1: Outstand I'm seeing semblances of an offense I don't believe

1359
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Speaker 1: I saw last year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but but I would agree in the Pittsburgh game

1361
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: and in the first half against Miami it was good.

1362
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: The Raiders game, and the second half against Miami it wasn't.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Mike Yah, yeah, no, it's accurate, but I but

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Speaker 7: I still like what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: He's asking you to agree with him now.

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Speaker 7: If they didn't do if they didn't have production against

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Speaker 7: the Raiders or in the second half against Miami, which

1368
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 7: I would say is accurate, But I still agree with

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Speaker 7: your general point of despite not being great in the

1370
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Speaker 7: opener and having a bad second half, I still see

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Speaker 7: what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: I would say the arrow is pointing up. The most

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00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: recent thing we saw was very positive if not for

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Speaker 3: the turnovers.

1375
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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: My fear is we just plugged in the turnovers this

1377
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: week that replaced the sack or the holding car, and

1378
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Speaker 3: it's going to be something different. It's going to be

1379
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 3: something different because they can't move the ball with any

1380
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Speaker 3: degree of chunk plays, and you know, Evan keeps talking

1381
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Speaker 3: about the twenty yard plays, and I think Fred's right

1382
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Speaker 3: about this. Fred sort of, you know, clap back a

1383
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Speaker 3: little bit against the explosive plays, Like you're throwing a

1384
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Speaker 3: screen pass and the running back breaks three tackles and

1385
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 3: you get twenty three yards. Now, that's a great play.

1386
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's not. But it's not the same

1387
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: as getting explosive plays. They're working really hard to move

1388
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 3: the ball. They don't get a lot of plays like

1389
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Speaker 3: the third down and sixteen on Sunday against Pittsburgh where

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Speaker 3: Booty runs an incut and they get twenty yards that

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: ball was Do you realize they didn't even throw the

1392
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: ball twenty yards in the air once in the whole

1393
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: game Sunday. Like, I don't know if you can like

1394
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: consistently move the ball the way they did Sunday doing it.

1395
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Speaker 1: That way, if you don't have that thread, it makes

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Speaker 1: it easier for the defense.

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Speaker 3: As Fred, but I want to just like I know

1398
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Speaker 3: Fred thinks that I'm being combative and I'm not on Sundays.

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Speaker 3: On Sunday, I will take that offense on Sunday, cleaning

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Speaker 3: up the turnovers obviously every week that offense is good

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Speaker 3: enough to win most weeks.

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Speaker 1: Well, Paul and Fred arguing is a tradition. Like any

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Speaker 4: That was practice.

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Speaker 3: That's good. I think just a.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, a chance to get back out there and kind

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Speaker 21: of re established over trying to be the football team.

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Speaker 21: I think some one of those games that you know,

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Speaker 21: you just look back and like, man, we hurt ourselves,

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Speaker 21: and I think it's one of those things just get

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Speaker 21: back to you folks on us and you know, a

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Speaker 21: on ourselves before we go win.

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Speaker 3: You're talking a lot.

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Speaker 4: I've been passing our top ten questions.

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Speaker 1: Just chairs do you do you play?

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Speaker 3: Attention on the stats, that's stuff to.

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Speaker 21: Be I don't think winning matters to me. I think

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Speaker 21: that's the main goal with why you play. You know,

1476
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Speaker 21: I play this this position, why I play the sport. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: I think, you know, quarterbacks and the ultimate kind of

1478
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Speaker 21: status is win. So I think that's the biggest thing

1479
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Speaker 21: that I focus on. And if that's throwing you know,

1480
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 21: ten touchdowns in a game, or or throwing one pass

1481
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Speaker 21: the game is trying to win.

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Speaker 1: He like throwing up against Christie Gonzalas and.

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Speaker 21: Practice, Yeah, Gonzo. I mean it's since the day I

1484
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Speaker 21: got here. You know, it's always good to have somebody

1485
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Speaker 21: and and him and c V on the other side

1486
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 21: of the ball that that make a challenging, that make

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Speaker 21: it challenging to make throws that don't make it easy.

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Speaker 21: And I think that's you know, things where we developed

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Speaker 21: with guys and on my side of the ball, a

1490
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Speaker 21: different kind of kind of level like above the next

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Speaker 21: you know, when he's making throws difficult, he's making this

1492
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Speaker 21: route difficult, you know, back shoulders on on go routes

1493
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Speaker 21: and little things like that. He's, uh, you know, he's

1494
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Speaker 21: a great player and I'm looking forward to seeing him,

1495
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 21: you know when he gets back. Yeah, I think you know,

1496
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 21: he's got some swag with to him. He's always got swags,

1497
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Speaker 21: so I always, you know, you know, try to find

1498
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 21: time to ask him, Hey, what kind of do up

1499
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Speaker 21: my swag? Because I don't have much out there, but

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Speaker 21: uh no, Gon's always do you every time. You know,

1501
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Speaker 21: he's smooth, play smooth, he's patient, he's a he's one

1502
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Speaker 21: of the best in the game. So what does it

1503
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 21: mean for the chances to play against your hometown team? Yeah,

1504
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 21: I think it's different. Playing up here and you're going

1505
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 21: back to Charlotte would have been different, but you know,

1506
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Speaker 21: going against the team that grew up watching, you grew

1507
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Speaker 21: up hering for, and a lot of great memories in

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Speaker 21: that stadium back in Making America. So uh yeah, it's

1509
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Speaker 21: a little different, but at the same time, it's still

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Speaker 21: you know, just is another week, another week in the NFL,

1511
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Speaker 21: and you know, the same players that I grew up

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Speaker 21: you know, playing for besides the longest snappers still there.

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Speaker 7: So is it a little encouraging that the mistakes from

1514
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 7: last week's and turnovers do you view those as.

1515
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 21: Relatively easy fixes and are you encouraged by that, Hey,

1516
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 21: we can just sol out of the ball.

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Speaker 18: You know you've got something here.

1518
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 21: Yeah, like I said, not beating ourselves, that's the that's

1519
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 21: the big thing, and that's the shoot. It's you know,

1520
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 21: it's turnovers. Turnos in this league are such a big deal.

1521
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 21: It's one of those things that we yeah, we can

1522
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 21: clean up. I think you hold on the football and

1523
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 21: and me hold it on the pocket, and you know,

1524
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Speaker 21: the running backs is something that I do think is fixable.

1525
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 21: I think it's something that you try to overemphasize and

1526
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 21: usually when we overhom sized things, you you fix it.

1527
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 21: And uh, you know, I think something throughout the week

1528
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 21: is just trying to do the extra little things that

1529
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 21: you'll protect it and and me getting you in the pocket.

1530
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 21: You'll ensuring two hands on it and just know when

1531
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 21: that plays over great.

1532
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 7: When you look at this team, whether it's a practice

1533
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 7: or during the games, do you think about.

1534
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 4: How much better this team can be or maybe it

1535
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 4: should be.

1536
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 18: Who you will.

1537
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 21: I wouldn't say that. I just you know, trying to

1538
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 21: push the guys to get to that level. You know,

1539
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 21: I know what we can do, and you still feel

1540
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 21: like we haven't you know, played our best football, and

1541
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 21: that's what's promising, you know, you know ahead and I think, uh,

1542
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 21: you know, once we do, we kind of talk about,

1543
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 21: you know, stringing some plays together in a practice or

1544
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 21: stringing a drive together. You see glimpses of it. But

1545
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 21: that's the challenging part of this league. And that's what's

1546
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 21: the fun part about it. Of getting to that level

1547
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 21: and hoping to get that level when when the games

1548
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 21: you know matter, it really matter, and trying to get

1549
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 21: a you'll push to the postseason or things like that.

1550
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 21: So that's what we're trying to build tours and just

1551
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 21: keep you know, going out every week just curious when

1552
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 21: you dive into a opponent's go getting good at it

1553
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 21: on your own.

1554
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: What's the difference here too for you as opposed to

1555
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: last year, If they're as fun as that you study

1556
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 3: and you're trying to get a beat early on the Pounders.

1557
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 21: Defense, Yeah, I think, you know, first off is kind

1558
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 21: of just knowing the defensive coordinator kind of the background.

1559
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 21: You can kind of know more names now and know

1560
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 21: what Tree's from and and know things like that. And

1561
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 21: from there, just trying to watch players more. You know

1562
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 21: players know that you know, covers matters, but you know

1563
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 21: players and personnel matters just as much. And and know

1564
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 21: one the guys up front you to worry about or

1565
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 21: the run game and things like that are the guys

1566
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 21: you know, hey, playing this coverage is what he likes

1567
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 21: to do. Or you know he's real aggressive when he

1568
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 21: gets you know, backside and he's in man, you know,

1569
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 21: things like that. So just trying to you know, started players,

1570
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 21: you know, just as Nutch as and and just every week,

1571
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 21: you know, trying to play the quarterback. You're trying to

1572
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 21: see what see what they're in before they show it.

1573
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 3: You think they're corner specifically Chase.

1574
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're great players.

1575
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 10: You know.

1576
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 21: You know Jase Horny he played at a kid out

1577
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 21: of school, so you'll know him, you know, grew up

1578
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 21: and uh, he's a little older than me, but obviously

1579
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 21: a great player. You know, he's made the players this

1580
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 21: year and he's uh, you know, one of those guys

1581
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 21: backside that he's gonna play in the boundary and make

1582
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 21: it tough. He's physical, he can play, he's pay should

1583
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 21: you know, he's got good ball skills. So he's one

1584
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 21: of those guys that, uh, you know, he's he's gonna

1585
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 21: make it tough, and I think it's something that you

1586
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 21: can't you kind of eliminate that part of the field.

1587
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 21: But you gotta be careful with him and the other side.

1588
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 21: You Number two is a good player as well.

1589
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: You see you have Stefan Dick's three catches on Sunday

1590
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 1: resulted in the first I believe you talked about what

1591
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: a great.

1592
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 8: Teammate he is.

1593
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 20: Where's your level of trust with him, especially a situationally you're.

1594
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 21: On the video, Yeah, you know, we try to put

1595
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 21: him in circumstances where he's you know, getting the ball

1596
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 21: and an option to get the ball on on big plays.

1597
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 21: You know, got a big third down catch the first

1598
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 21: third down we had, I should have probably should have

1599
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 21: thrown it to him. Well, things like that, we had

1600
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 21: a fourth down against Miami. He's making plays. So he's

1601
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 21: in positions on on uh you know, key downs to

1602
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 21: make plays and got full trust on him and he's

1603
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 21: just keeps showing it every week and He's just try

1604
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 21: to give Hi the ball more. I told him that.

1605
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 21: You know today, when you talk about knowing when the

1606
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 21: play is over, are you is that just strictly field thing,

1607
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 21: because obviously you have the ability.

1608
01:09:58,680 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 10: To create extent.

1609
01:09:59,680 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1610
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 4: Then sometimes, as you found out, it kind of can lead.

1611
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: To trouble too.

1612
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 21: Yeah, you just kind of we talked about the quarterback room,

1613
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 21: you know, kind of when something something doesn't feel right,

1614
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 21: you know, when the brother in the pocket or with

1615
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 21: this play, all right, something I need to do, whether

1616
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 21: throw it away or get what I can and get down.

1617
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 21: Just kind of that that kind of you know, stop

1618
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 21: clock in your head and and that shot clock. Just

1619
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 21: you just know, hey, something doesn't feel right all right now.

1620
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 21: You know some quarterbacks split their feet. I think sometimes

1621
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 21: you just feel like, okay, you gotta do something. So

1622
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,879
Speaker 21: just knowing knowing that it comes to the Panthers.

1623
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 4: What what is your favorite like all time memories?

1624
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 21: Fair, all time memory who that's a that's a good question.

1625
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 21: I went to the Super Bowl, uh when when they

1626
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 21: lost to Peyton Manning.

1627
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 4: And then that was tough.

1628
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 21: But uh yeah, just that season and you know, I

1629
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 21: think there was fifteen and one. I was at that,

1630
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 21: you know, NFC Championship game at home, you know, big

1631
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 21: time win, and just to just the being a fan

1632
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 21: of of Cam. I think it was probably the biggest

1633
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 21: memory of him coming out here and doing the airplane

1634
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 21: and you know, hitting the CAM.

1635
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 4: So just little things like that and.

1636
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 21: Getting to know him later on and playing him he

1637
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:05,320
Speaker 21: coaches seven on sevent team and playing them and playing

1638
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 21: against him and seeing stuff.

1639
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 3: And now great moments in.

1640
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 6: History and Brandon Spikes's work.

1641
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 8: He's at Florida, he's working back at the Alma Mada

1642
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 8: and uh and he's you know, he's helping out Florida's program,

1643
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 8: trying to get them back, you know, to where they

1644
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 8: were when he was there and things like that.

1645
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: And so is he still on the internet.

1646
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 4: I asked Evan about that yesterday.

1647
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know, I'm going to plead you want

1648
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: his only fans.

1649
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 4: Account, get a license for that thing.

1650
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great That was a great moment

1651
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 3: in PFW.

1652
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 7: And oh yeah, oh you guys discovered the who does

1653
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 7: a Google search of Brandon Spikes is junk and Frank Goes.

1654
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 22: I have seen it.

1655
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: I have seen it.

1656
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 4: And then I said it in the elevator today, and then.

1657
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: Paul starts, have you seen yes?

1658
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 3: Have you seen? So? Yeah? I do not just go

1659
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 3: I don't get that.

1660
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 13: I have no.

1661
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: Research.

1662
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 3: That's another great moment, all right back here on Patriots

1663
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 3: on the Filter, and I'm looking at him like like

1664
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: just like we were talking about the offense, and I'm like, so,

1665
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 3: have you really seen Brandon Spikes's junk? Yes?

1666
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 18: Oh? Yeah?

1667
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: No? I you know when these when when news happens,

1668
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: I need to see what everyone's talking about. Part of

1669
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: my job, I guess, yeah, okay. I teased before the

1670
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,839
Speaker 1: break that we had some parcels content. Obviously. This weekend,

1671
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells was inducted into the Patriots Hall of Fame,

1672
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,759
Speaker 1: and before the induction ceremony, Maddy no Socks and myself

1673
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: had a chance to actually sit down with Bill in

1674
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: this studio for an extended interview, and what we're about

1675
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: to play is just a little clip of it. We

1676
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: were talking about how, you know, Bill was such a

1677
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: pro at needling his players, so we talked about that.

1678
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: But the extended interview, if it isn't already up, it's

1679
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: going to be up on Pages dot com before the

1680
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: end of this show, so you can listen to the

1681
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: whole interview that we did with Bill purselves. But here's

1682
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: just a little taste of that.

1683
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 23: You know, I'm confrontational. I had a very confrontational mother,

1684
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 23: highly confrontation, and so I've always been let's let's get

1685
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 23: it out on the table and let's settle it now.

1686
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 1: And we're so you grew up that way, Yeah, exactly, Yeah.

1687
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 4: Now I so Lofe talks about practice. He said, the

1688
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 4: needle is usually out during stretch. That was a time

1689
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 4: to bust balls.

1690
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,839
Speaker 3: At that point in time, and nobody was immune.

1691
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 9: Know, somebody was a little heavy is weight, you're gonna

1692
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 9: get him with the way You're going to get him

1693
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 9: on all kinds of to get myself with that. But

1694
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 9: he said that that was like he revers that time

1695
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 9: and thinks back at that time about that's.

1696
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 22: The special camaraderie. That is what football is all about.

1697
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 22: It is and you know, it's you can't explain it

1698
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 22: to people. There's just something. It's kind of like a

1699
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,839
Speaker 22: a it's like a magnet.

1700
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 3: It just it keeps you together. It's just yeah, and

1701
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 3: and man, it's als fair too. It's if you're.

1702
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 23: Sensitive at all on business, right, No shot, that's right,

1703
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 23: because the more they find out you're sensitive, they make

1704
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 23: it worse.

1705
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: That's right.

1706
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay. So that was just a little

1707
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 1: taste and it is live now on Patriots dot com.

1708
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,560
Speaker 1: So if you want to check that out, you know,

1709
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,240
Speaker 1: please wait until the end of the show. But I

1710
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: would say that if you have any memory of Bill

1711
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: Parcells here, if you were a fan at that time,

1712
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: old enough to remember him, it's it's muscle wat.

1713
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 3: I watched it this morning, and I would echo what

1714
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 3: Fred says, and this is I would say this. Obviously,

1715
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, we're proud of a lot of the stuff

1716
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: that we do. But if you're of 's say, you know,

1717
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 3: roughly my age, you know, let's say plus or minus

1718
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 3: ten for me, this is in your wheelhouse. The memories

1719
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 3: that immediately were drawn back to that sort of mid

1720
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 3: nineties emergence of the Patriots as one of the better

1721
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 3: teams in the league. I'm not going to call him

1722
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 3: the best team in the league. They didn't win the

1723
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 3: Super Bowl in ninety six. They lost, but they were

1724
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 3: in that mix with Denver and with Green Bay and

1725
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 3: the better teams, and Parcels brings you right back there.

1726
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: He's eighty four his recall is amazing. Some of the

1727
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 3: stories that he tells. I think Fred asks him about

1728
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 3: his Circle the Wagons guys, and he's talking about, you know,

1729
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 3: some of the play like Bruce Armstrong and Andre Tippett

1730
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 3: that you would immediately think of in that light. But

1731
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 3: then you know, Matt and Fred are like sort of

1732
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 3: problemoge hold on, now, let me think, and then he

1733
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 3: like rattles off two or three more and then you

1734
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 3: know Fred and Matt again are getting ready to move on.

1735
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 3: He's like, no, no, no, and like there was probably

1736
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 3: eight or nine guys. Oh yeah, that he's talking about

1737
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: with such reverence. Yeah, I think you really enjoy it.

1738
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 3: I know that Parcels can be sort of a polarizing

1739
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 3: guy for Patriots fans because of the way he left,

1740
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: But I think either way, whatever way you fall on

1741
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 3: the Bill Parcells controversy, I think you'll enjoy looking back

1742
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 3: at a time in Patriots history. I think is a

1743
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 3: little bit overlooked because of all the success they had

1744
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 3: with the Belichick Brady era, but the Parcels Bledsoe era

1745
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 3: was pretty good. And I think if you sort of

1746
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 3: were a part of that the way I was, you

1747
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 3: really enjoy this podcast.

1748
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 12: And even if you weren't part of it, Like, I'm

1749
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 12: really interested to see it just because I was like

1750
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 12: two years old, you know, I didn't necessarily live through it.

1751
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 12: I write about it, but I'm excited to just hear

1752
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 12: it from that perspective. And I think that confrontational line

1753
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 12: about how he's really confrontational, Oh yeah, I love that.

1754
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 3: You know where I got mine?

1755
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I'm your mom. I could have I could

1756
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: have sat and talked with him for hours, because there

1757
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: was a lot that I would have loved to catch

1758
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: up on, but he had other things to do. But

1759
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,839
Speaker 1: we also had a special guest stop in during the interview,

1760
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: so that's in there too, so Tom pages dot com

1761
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: and really anywhere that you can get podcasts. It's episode

1762
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: I think fifty two of Pats from the Past, So

1763
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: good stuff. Check it out.

1764
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: And Freddie, you and You and No Socks did a

1765
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 3: nice job with with Bill, and I thought he was

1766
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: really he was willing to go back, and I think

1767
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 3: he looks back at those times fondly. Yeah, you know,

1768
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 3: those were good teams. Some of the some of the

1769
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 3: names that he brings up just out of nowhere. Ray

1770
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 3: Crittendon he talks about, you know, like that that's a

1771
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: true Patriot fan, Like Alex, I'm sure you ever heard

1772
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 3: the name Ray Crittenden in your life. You know, he

1773
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 3: would sort of be like the the eftin Chisholm today,

1774
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 3: like the fourth or fifth, you know, sixth guy on

1775
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 3: the depth chart, and you know he's going back thirty

1776
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,839
Speaker 3: plus years talking about that guy. So it was definitely

1777
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 3: worth worth sometimes, you know, like a half hour. So

1778
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: it's nice, good, good trip down Many Lane.

1779
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, I I could have talked with him

1780
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,600
Speaker 1: all afternoon because I have things that.

1781
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: I that was my season ticket holder heyday.

1782
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was I mean that was when I was

1783
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,560
Speaker 1: came in ninety five. He was the coach. That was

1784
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 1: my first coach.

1785
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 12: Well, you said it was polarizing kind of because the

1786
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 12: way he left. What did you think of his comments

1787
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 12: about kind of wishing he maybe did these differently with

1788
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 12: wisdom in hindsight.

1789
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had said that before publicly, so this isn't new.

1790
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: That wasn't but I think he really meant it. Yeah,

1791
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, he was the kind of guy and not

1792
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: just here. He did it with the Giants before here

1793
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,720
Speaker 1: where he was mercurial, like, I don't know if I

1794
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: want to come back, and he entertained an offer with

1795
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at the time, and you know,

1796
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 1: the Giants were getting frustrated with him. You know, every

1797
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: year he didn't know if he wanted to keep coaching.

1798
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: He did it here, he did it. You know after here,

1799
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: he went from here to Dallas, then to Miami. So

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01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 1: he's he hasn't He's never been a guy that settled down.

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Speaker 3: The only place he stated for any length of time

1802
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 3: was the Giants. Yeah, it's right about that. He probably

1803
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 3: would have gone yeah for another reason.

1804
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: So so it wasn't just here. He didn't like to

1805
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: be told what to do. He was very confrontational, but

1806
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: with a guy like him, he'd have the confrontation and

1807
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 1: then it'll be over. There's no lingering grudges to be held,

1808
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, like it you're a man, I'm a man.

1809
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna yell at each other and then it's done.

1810
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 12: And I respect the hell out of that, because when

1811
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 12: you aren't confronting these things, there's just like festering inside

1812
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 12: of you. And then that's when it does get to

1813
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 12: a boiling point.

1814
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: And then right and then it's done. And that's how

1815
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: we coached in I think maybe Vrabel's kind of from

1816
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: that cut from that cloth. I don't know, we'll see,

1817
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 1: but he seems to be like that.

1818
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1819
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if he's done with it, but

1820
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 3: he likes to bicker. Yeah, that I remember from his

1821
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 3: playing days.

1822
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was it was great to see him,

1823
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: and I told him, I said I was pissed when

1824
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: the way he left. I told him that.

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01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 5: I don't know if that made it, but the you

1826
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,520
Speaker 5: saying that I'm being confrontational.

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01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but the reason I was pissed is because

1828
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 1: I didn't want them to leave, right, That's why I

1829
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:37,760
Speaker 1: was pissed, you know. And the way he left. So

1830
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 1: good stuff. Check it out pages dot com and anywhere

1831
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. It's a patch from the past.

1832
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: That's the title. Ashton writes in My dog and I

1833
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,759
Speaker 1: got hit by a car yesterday walking across the street.

1834
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: Both have some things that need to heal, but we're

1835
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. I listened to your show in the

1836
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: hospital for some normalcy. Appreciate what you do. I hope

1837
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 1: both you and your dog are getting better. That sucks.

1838
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,599
Speaker 1: I always have that fear when I'm walking the dog

1839
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: and along the sidewalk on like some cars just gonna

1840
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: jump the sidewalk and nail both of us.

1841
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, that happened in a West Springfield in the last year.

1842
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 12: Girl walking or dog. They both passed away.

1843
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, football question, why not move Digs to the

1844
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,839
Speaker 1: slot since his few weeks in Houston he was exactly

1845
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: what you want from that position. Could bump digs targets up,

1846
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: keep the chains moving more, and be more reliable in

1847
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: that role than Douglas. I know the chisholm Army is

1848
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: ready to march, but maybe some more time behind Diggs

1849
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: is still needed.

1850
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 3: He's you could save that one for Mike because he

1851
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 3: really likes to answer the why isn't Digs in the slot?

1852
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Question?

1853
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 3: So I would I would just say, obviously we talked

1854
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 3: a lot about Diggs is playing in the slot, but

1855
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: in terms of that email that I would agree with

1856
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: is I would like to see Diggs get a little

1857
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 3: bit more attention, more focus, focal point of the offense.

1858
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Jordan lives in Tampa and he wants to give

1859
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: an answer to that person looking for places to go

1860
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: down there. Uh, he lives down there. He said, you

1861
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: can try the traditional Cuban food in a town called

1862
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: lot Terracita, the Colombia in Ebor City. I remember the

1863
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: Columbia is still there. That was a wild spot big night.

1864
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: I had a restaurant, but it also had a bar.

1865
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: It was a wild spot, was there.

1866
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: If you want a nice steak, go to Charlie's or

1867
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: Ocean Prime right by the stadium. So there's there a

1868
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,760
Speaker 1: few suggestions right there. But yeah, Ebor City.

1869
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 3: Was there one Ocean Prime? Yeah, I think I've been there.

1870
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: There's a few of them. Yeah, there's a few of them.

1871
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: All right. I didn't realize there's a chain. My bad.

1872
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, end one though, of course, well only the best

1873
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 1: uh Sean and Vancouver, Alex. I agree with you. But

1874
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 1: what I'd like to see more Digs and Williams. All right,

1875
01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: Booty and Diggs should have all the snaps, but when

1876
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: they go to three receiver sets, put Digs in the slot.

1877
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: Here's another slot guy, and Williams at the X with

1878
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: a few deep shots, Evan. I'd also like to see

1879
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: Henderson use more as a decoy. Defenses are keying on

1880
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 1: him when he's on the field. Fred I'm gonna make

1881
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 1: the guarantee this week Patriots twenty one Panthers ten. If

1882
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: both teams best players are on the field. Do you

1883
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: think Gonza will cover Tet with Davis on Sandras? I

1884
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: think they'll probably double team Tet.

1885
01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's a good question. I think

1886
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 3: normal circumstances, yes, I think Gonzales would be on McMillan,

1887
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: but I think considering his film, yeah, his absence, I

1888
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:44,679
Speaker 3: wonder if maybe they go with Davis instead. I don't

1889
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 3: think that they would necessarily double him all the time,

1890
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 3: but yeah, he probably will see some double teams too. Okay,

1891
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,440
Speaker 3: but I just it's a little unknown there. What availability

1892
01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 3: you're going to get from Gonzo? Yep, But normal circumstance answers.

1893
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: I want him on the other team's best receiver, right, Yep,

1894
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 3: don't we all?

1895
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 23: I do?

1896
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 1: I think so. I mean, that's that's the that's why

1897
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: you get these guys, that's why you pay them the

1898
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: big bucks. H Judah. Do you think this team can

1899
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,759
Speaker 1: find the way to play the best type of football

1900
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: Drake talked about early or will it take until mid

1901
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,719
Speaker 1: season or even the entire season?

1902
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 3: That's the question. I didn't hear Drake's no, but how

1903
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 3: long it's you know, they want to be playing their

1904
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 3: best football and they're going to have to clean things up.

1905
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 3: You know, you hope that these are just sort of

1906
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: early season growing pains and sloppiness and they can get

1907
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: it fixed sooner rather than later. You don't want to

1908
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 3: go half a season and you know, sort of waste

1909
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:44,480
Speaker 3: an opportunity.

1910
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 1: On the subject of whether or not the team or

1911
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: offense looks better than last year, most interesting Patriots fan

1912
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:52,719
Speaker 1: in the world, James Pettigrew, writs in just my two cents,

1913
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 1: but neither of you looked better than last year.

1914
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing.

1915
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 1: Come on, you can't say that about Paul.

1916
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 3: Come on, and I would say that the offense looked

1917
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 3: better than last year, by the way I mean I do.

1918
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to come across like that. I just

1919
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: especially Sunday. Yeah, my confidence is first game, it didn't

1920
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 3: look better than last year, but on Sunday it did.

1921
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: Eldred's in North Carolina, what's up? Eldred?

1922
01:25:19,479 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 14: Hey, Alex, Hey tellers, tell y'all doing Hey, the email

1923
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 14: ain't wrong. Carolina said they gonna whoop our button, won't

1924
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 14: steak him.

1925
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: Up there they think that huh okay, and you're talking

1926
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 3: about the fans or is this trash talk coming from

1927
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 3: the locker.

1928
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 14: Room, coming from the fans from the locker room, Oh,

1929
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,600
Speaker 14: the fans, Okay, the problem. But the problem with that

1930
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 14: is kick is hurt a quarter of past chat some

1931
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 14: of the top guys or the wide receivers. So if

1932
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 14: they beat us with Renfro and two guys up the

1933
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 14: pactor squad, me and Greg are gonna have a talk.

1934
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear that.

1935
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. So just to read this long list of

1936
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 3: guys that didn't practice yesterday for Carolina, his linebacker Pat Jones,

1937
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 3: Xaviel lagat Technic Mill and the two receivers Hunter Renfro

1938
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 3: was a personal day off. I'm not sure exactly what

1939
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 3: that was about. Jatavian Sanders is the tight end he

1940
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 3: had an ankle. Uh, Turk Wharton and dj one them playing.

1941
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,799
Speaker 3: Uh So those guys all out like they did not practice.

1942
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 3: So there's, you know, to the Eldridge's point. Eldred's point,

1943
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,560
Speaker 3: there's a significant amount of Panthers that will not be

1944
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 3: taking part in this game. So no real and no excuse.

1945
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 14: One more question, one more question. I'll let y'all go. Hey,

1946
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 14: have y'all been watching Taekwan Thornton lately with the Chief?

1947
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been okay some place.

1948
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1949
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 14: Yeah, he dropped one, he catched two, dropped one, catch two.

1950
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 14: I mean they keep going to them. Do you think

1951
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 14: we didn't we didn't development good enough or he just yeah, yeah,

1952
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 14: take it.

1953
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 1: Off the air, all right, thank you.

1954
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 3: I think he has Patrick Mahomes.

1955
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 5: Patrick Mahomes didn't actually utilize his speed. I don't think

1956
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 5: Mac Jones could.

1957
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it, that's the angry. Yeah, mac Jones will

1958
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,799
Speaker 1: make me look good, Patrick, I mean not Patrick Mahomes.

1959
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: Who's this Christian in La? What do you get to say?

1960
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 2: You know, like i'd say today, guys that first of all,

1961
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 2: I do think that we're gonna win going going away

1962
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 2: in this game. I think Caroline's a little banged up.

1963
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 17: And if we get.

1964
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 2: Of Gonzo, I think that's good enough to shut down

1965
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Tet anyway.

1966
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 3: But uh, twenty five percent of Gonzo would be good

1967
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 3: enough to shut down a receiver. Is that what you

1968
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 3: just said?

1969
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Nick Millnane, I don't I don't think. I don't think

1970
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 2: his running is crisp enough to really take advantage of

1971
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 2: Gonzo even at twenty five.

1972
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 3: If he was twenty five percent, he wouldn't be out there.

1973
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: But whatever, you get what I'm saying, Paul, Come.

1974
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 3: On, No, I mean, I'm sorry. A quarter of a

1975
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 3: player is not good enough to shut down an NFL player.

1976
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry. There's nobody that good. Deon Sanders.

1977
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:12,600
Speaker 3: A quarter of Deion Sanders wouldn't shut down again. Five

1978
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 3: percent effort is.

1979
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: Good enough for me. Yeah, well shut down, pet.

1980
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 3: Let's move on to silly comment.

1981
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 2: It's not fill the comment, Paul.

1982
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 3: It's a very silly comment.

1983
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:26,040
Speaker 19: I think in a week four right, it's.

1984
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 3: Disrespectful coming.

1985
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 5: Paul.

1986
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: The comment was the comment brother and.

1987
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 1: He says it's disrespectful.

1988
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 3: It's disrespectful.

1989
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: You know, when I come to to let Stadium later

1990
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 2: on the season, Paul, you and I are going to

1991
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 2: have a talk.

1992
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 5: Oh oh, set him outside.

1993
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 3: Oh I look forward to that barrel laughs. That'll you do?

1994
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 14: Okay?

1995
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 3: Oh?

1996
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 23: You know what else?

1997
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you guys some Christian in La

1998
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 2: button to put on love Christian La. Christian in La.

1999
01:28:58,400 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: I want to see you. Guys are gonna way. They

2000
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 2: should be in about two weeks. By the way, it

2001
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,839
Speaker 2: was supposed to be a surprise.

2002
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 5: Christian, when are you coming?

2003
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm coming in December.

2004
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we got to move on because we got

2005
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: we got other callers, and we got passed. So I

2006
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:19,839
Speaker 1: just want to clear the phones. Thanks Christian. Ben's in Brooklyn.

2007
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 1: What's up Ben?

2008
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 10: Hey guys, first time caller. Just wanted to see if

2009
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 10: I could build a bridge between Evan and Paul with

2010
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 10: respect to the analytics and going forward on fourth down.

2011
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 1: I like that grasping hands, So let's build a bridge

2012
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: so bad.

2013
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to hearing what you say. But just

2014
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 3: I just want to clarify. I love going forward on

2015
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 3: fourth down, So I don't think this is going to

2016
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,640
Speaker 3: be a hot own fifteen. Just just not at my

2017
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 3: own fifteen.

2018
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 10: Okay, that's exactly where I want to start. So look,

2019
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,240
Speaker 10: I mean, I think analytics are great. I work in

2020
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 10: the field, and I think where they've really done a

2021
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 10: good job is what I call predicting the past rather

2022
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 10: than the future. So by that, I mean, you know,

2023
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 10: growing up, I could tell Jerry Rice was good because

2024
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 10: he was fast and tall. But now we can tell,

2025
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 10: you know, player gets good separation. You know they can

2026
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 10: win at the catchpoint, et cetera. And I think all

2027
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 10: that stuff is super useful so explaining why someone's good.

2028
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 10: But I think especially with with fourth down, you know,

2029
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 10: there's there's only yes or no. You know, there's not

2030
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 10: like degrees of success, and I don't think stats work

2031
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 10: really well for that. And secondly, they totally ignore the

2032
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 10: context and they totally ignore the consequence. So you know,

2033
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 10: if you had a stat that showed that I could

2034
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 10: walk across the mass Pike blindfolded at four am, you know,

2035
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 10: eighty percent of the time, I'm still not interested in

2036
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 10: doing it, right, I think you know what happens at

2037
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 10: fourth fourth down from your own fifteen is you know,

2038
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 10: first of all, I don't think that's happened one hundred

2039
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 10: times in a game, right, So I don't know where

2040
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 10: the stats are even coming from.

2041
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: Right, where's the data set the game?

2042
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 15: Right?

2043
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 3: And that you illustrated it perfectly ben for me, because

2044
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 3: I don't think that they do that. I think the

2045
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 3: numbers are just fourth and one, And I agree with you,

2046
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 3: fourth and one from the other team's ten is a

2047
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 3: lot different than fourth and one from your own fifteen.

2048
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: But I don't think it differentiates.

2049
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure it does or it doesn't, but

2050
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:32,799
Speaker 1: it should if it doesn't.

2051
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 3: But to Ben's point, like, where's the data on fourth

2052
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 3: and one from your own fifteen? Right, that's not like

2053
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 3: a desperation situation at the end of the game, right,

2054
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 3: you have to go for you know, totally different yea

2055
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 3: of the game, right, But in the second quarter of

2056
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 3: a fourteen to seven game. Yeah, I don't think there's

2057
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 3: a lot of data for.

2058
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 1: That, all right, Ted, Ben, don't be a stranger. I

2059
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: like it, Ben, I like first time call again or

2060
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:57,600
Speaker 1: email thank you for the call. I just want to

2061
01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:00,879
Speaker 1: clean out the phone lines here, Ted in San Diego?

2062
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: What's up?

2063
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 3: Ted, San Diego?

2064
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 18: Hi, Hey, good, good afternoon everybody. So I got three

2065
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 18: very quick points. First off, I know that Paul and

2066
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 18: I have not together, but obviously have a history of

2067
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:18,759
Speaker 18: following this team. I started back in the late sixties.

2068
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 18: I still get angered when people talk about the history

2069
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 18: of the team and the just completely gloss over the

2070
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 18: Chuck Fairbanks era. I just feel like if Craft had

2071
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 18: been the owner of the team back during those days,

2072
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,600
Speaker 18: we might have had a dynasty going back during that

2073
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 18: era because that team was loaded with some great players,

2074
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 18: did he and Buckle o'killroy is I think Paul will

2075
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 18: remember did most of the drafting back in those days,

2076
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 18: and I just feel like that era gets glossed over

2077
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 18: and that the Satriots only became the Patriots when Parcels

2078
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 18: came to the team.

2079
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Fairbanks was a really good talent evaluator as well as

2080
01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: bucko kilroy.

2081
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 3: And you made a great point of about the ownership too.

2082
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 3: If Robert Craft was the owner in the seventies, you know,

2083
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 3: Chuck Fairbanks wouldn't have left, They wouldn't have had all

2084
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:11,280
Speaker 3: the holdouts that they had every year contractually. So yeah,

2085
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 3: it was it. I mean, those are the teams in

2086
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 3: my childhood, you know, that sort of seventy eight team

2087
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 3: was like the first team I really, you know, seventy

2088
01:33:18,280 --> 01:33:20,040
Speaker 3: six was the first game I ever went to, but

2089
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 3: seventy eight and I was, you know, I was ten

2090
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 3: years old. That's like in the whealelhouse.

2091
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: Spite the ownership, the good teams.

2092
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 3: They were really really teams. Ted's right, they you know

2093
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 3: in Fairbanks drafted all those guys, you know, Stanley Morgan,

2094
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 3: Raymond Clayble and Mike Haynes, Tim Fox, Pete Brock, Steve Grogan,

2095
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 3: John Hannah, like just the Steve Nelson backbone of some

2096
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 3: really really good teams.

2097
01:33:41,800 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

2098
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 18: Yeah. My second quick point is what I think my

2099
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 18: favorite Ourselves quote during the after game or during the

2100
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 18: week comments with the press. Somebody had commented one of

2101
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 18: the writers said, well, Bill, I heard from an inside

2102
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 18: source such and such in parcels. He says, wait a second,

2103
01:34:03,479 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 18: he says, I've got one inside source. It's my brother.

2104
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,560
Speaker 18: He's a banker in New Jersey, and none of you

2105
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,719
Speaker 18: guys know who he is, so don't tell me about

2106
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:11,639
Speaker 18: inside sources.

2107
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: And then my.

2108
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 18: Last comment is just about this offense. And again, I've

2109
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 18: been a fan a long time, but I don't propose

2110
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:23,759
Speaker 18: that I know anything about football. But I just this offense,

2111
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 18: and I think Alex alluded to it a little bit.

2112
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,120
Speaker 18: This offense. I just don't like the five yard passes.

2113
01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 18: It's kind of been Josh's history with the team, and

2114
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 18: I just feel like they need to go downfield a

2115
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 18: little bit more than they do, because it just seems

2116
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 18: like the defense can play closer to the line, they

2117
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,680
Speaker 18: don't really fear anybody going downfield, and I think it

2118
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 18: makes it rough on the running game as well, but

2119
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 18: keeps up the great work and I'll continue to listen.

2120
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 3: All right, that's Ted, So I largely agree with a

2121
01:34:50,479 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: lot I do.

2122
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 23: I do.

2123
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,719
Speaker 1: That's where you want to get to, is what Ted's

2124
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: talking about. I wonder if Josh thinks if Drake is

2125
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: ready for that, because when he, you know, standing the

2126
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: pocket and waiting for something to develop, not necessarily all

2127
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: the way downfield, but you know, fifteen yards away, twelve

2128
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 1: fifteen yards away, I think I think he wants to

2129
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:16,720
Speaker 1: ease him into that. It just maybe because of the

2130
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 1: accuracy in the he gets all exciting.

2131
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 5: Maybe.

2132
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we'll see. We'll see how this thing progresses.

2133
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's too earling the season to define

2134
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: the offense or the team as a whole. But we'll

2135
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: see how things progress. We're waiting for Duce, right, we

2136
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: can't start until Duce gets here. Oh okay, yeah, yep,

2137
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: But okay, all right.

2138
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 3: So the analytics call though, I really liked, because I

2139
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 3: do think analytics have helped make the game better in

2140
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,200
Speaker 3: terms of encouraging these coaches to not just do it

2141
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 3: the way everybody always did it and punt every time.

2142
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 3: I think it it lends some intrigue. I just feel like,

2143
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 3: if you're just judging it on well, it's fourth and

2144
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,719
Speaker 3: X and it says.

2145
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 23: Look, what was the moon where the players friendly here?

2146
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 14: Henry Mike? What was it like?

2147
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 4: Renew like?

2148
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 5: What was it like in the locker room?

2149
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 16: All right?

2150
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 3: Already to run the locker room?

2151
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:26,479
Speaker 1: Who talked today?

2152
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,719
Speaker 7: I was quiet day in the locker room today. Marcus

2153
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 7: Jones was the only player we talked to. Not not

2154
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 7: a lot of great stuff, but I just mean not

2155
01:36:34,160 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 7: a lot of you know, the same old stuff. Got

2156
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 7: to get a win at home, you know, it would

2157
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 7: be great to get Gonzo back, et cetera, et cetera.

2158
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,240
Speaker 7: I think the most notable thing was just PADDs today.

2159
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 7: So they're going in the bubble. They got the uppers

2160
01:36:44,280 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 7: on which Rabel said last weekday count as as full pads.

2161
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 3: I guess so I think they did that last week.

2162
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 3: It was a Thursday instead of Wednesday last week as well, right, I.

2163
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,720
Speaker 7: Guess that's how they're doing it. But uh, otherwise, guys

2164
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:55,880
Speaker 7: just trying to get out of there. There's not a

2165
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 7: lot of interviews going on really today.

2166
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Who was Evan talking to?

2167
01:36:59,439 --> 01:36:59,719
Speaker 4: Evan?

2168
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:00,160
Speaker 1: Uh?

2169
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,200
Speaker 4: I saw him go up to you when you think

2170
01:37:03,240 --> 01:37:04,080
Speaker 4: it was, Yeah, it was.

2171
01:37:04,479 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2172
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 4: I saw him walk up to him when you.

2173
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 3: Did, I say, yesterday, probably an offensive lineman. Yeah, and

2174
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 3: he like, hey, let's likes to talk ball with the

2175
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 3: offensive line.

2176
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: He does. So yeah, do we get word on what

2177
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:16,280
Speaker 1: Josh was talking about today?

2178
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 23: Oh?

2179
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 7: You know, I haven't had a chance to to review

2180
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 7: that yet. I'm not sure I did see just echoing

2181
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 7: the fumbles are a team thing, you know, echoing that

2182
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 7: sentiment that was.

2183
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. I know that's it's great to

2184
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 1: kind of protect your player, admirable, But running back fumbles,

2185
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: it's the running back hold on, you're.

2186
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 3: Gonna get hit. I mean, there are examples where you know,

2187
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 3: a guy just gets the ball and he gets buried

2188
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 3: and yeah, okay, so that wasn't on the guy right right,

2189
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,000
Speaker 3: but we can all see that. Yeah, you know, go ahead,

2190
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 3: try You're going to get tackled all right, most places.

2191
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 1: It's that time of the week, Paul. What happened last week?

2192
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 3: So Freddy you can continue your strong start and feel

2193
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 3: for the league. Eleven and five you win the week,

2194
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 3: followed by Alex ten and six. Not quite up to

2195
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:14,639
Speaker 3: your standards, but a good record, nonetheless shockingly Paul third

2196
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:18,160
Speaker 3: place this week, Hey, come back nine and seven. I'm

2197
01:38:18,200 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 3: not calling her to comeback. I'm still mired uh and

2198
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 3: then Mike and Evan at eight and eight.

2199
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 4: So Evan.

2200
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 3: The season standings and the overall now have a tie

2201
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 3: at the top between Alex and Fred at thirty seven

2202
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 3: and eleventh.

2203
01:38:34,479 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: Queen of the prom.

2204
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:38,559
Speaker 5: We should make sashes.

2205
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 3: Nob okay riding around with the town in the radio. Mike,

2206
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 3: you are in third place at thirty one and seventeen,

2207
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:52,799
Speaker 3: followed by Evan at twenty eight and twelve and loser

2208
01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 3: Paul twenty six and twenty two.

2209
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:56,759
Speaker 4: That is pathetic.

2210
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 1: You're over five hundred.

2211
01:38:58,160 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 3: Well, I've been over five hundred the whole time, but

2212
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 3: just are around five hundred. That's pathetic. The picks with

2213
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:11,280
Speaker 3: the spread Fred continues to dominate impeccable Field ten and six,

2214
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 3: followed by Paul oh at eight and eight. Not good

2215
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: Alex seven and nine, Mike and Evan at six and ten.

2216
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 3: So the season standings with the spread Fred very impressive

2217
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 3: twenty nine and nineteen. Gorman, that's a good record. Let's

2218
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:35,360
Speaker 3: see who's next. Alex twenty three and twenty five. Fred

2219
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 3: only won over five hundred, ten games over five hundred,

2220
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 3: he's the only one over five hundred, twenty three and

2221
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 3: twenty five for Alex, twenty and twenty eight for Mike

2222
01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 3: I'm Sorry, twenty two and twenty six for Evan, followed

2223
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,880
Speaker 3: by Mike at twenty and twenty eight and Loser Boy

2224
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 3: nineteen and twenty nine Loser Man.

2225
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of football will be played, a

2226
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: lot of picks to be made.

2227
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:57,719
Speaker 3: They will lose.

2228
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's get going because we're behind the clock

2229
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,679
Speaker 1: here in the chain behind the chains. Tonight on Prime

2230
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 1: Video eight point fifteen, it's the two and one Seahawks

2231
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:08,840
Speaker 1: at the two and one.

2232
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 3: Cardinals, Seattle by one and a half.

2233
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 7: It did, and I'm not surprised it did. I think

2234
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 7: there's a lot of money on Seattle tonight, and I'm

2235
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 7: going to stick with it.

2236
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 4: I'll take Seattle. I'll lay the point and a half.

2237
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:26,320
Speaker 5: M I'll go with the home team.

2238
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 3: This is a tough one. I'm gonna be with Alex.

2239
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:34,360
Speaker 3: She seems to win more than most. I'm gonna take

2240
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 3: Arizona as well.

2241
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Seattle. Seattle wins this game. Now

2242
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,960
Speaker 1: we moved to Sunday at nine thirty in the morning

2243
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: Eastern Time on NFL Network. You know what that means, Mike, Yeah,

2244
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,240
Speaker 1: this is the this is the two This is the

2245
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,959
Speaker 1: two and one Vikings at the two and one Steelers,

2246
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: and I believe this game is being played in AIRD

2247
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,799
Speaker 1: in Dublin.

2248
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 3: It means I get a little red Zone on action

2249
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 3: going during the pregame show as well as the postgame show.

2250
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 3: Minnesota by two and a half.

2251
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 7: So Minnesota one of the most shocking results of the

2252
01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 7: last week. I did not see that coming with Carson

2253
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 7: Wentz and man, they poured a ton of yards on them.

2254
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 4: I gotta think they keep it going.

2255
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 7: I'm gonna take Minnesota in Ireland and I will lay

2256
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 7: the two and half points.

2257
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Wow, Yeah, short flight.

2258
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 3: I kind of agree with Mike that I didn't see

2259
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 3: the Vikings coming. But maybe Kevin O'Connell is just that good.

2260
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Vikings.

2261
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now you say it's a short shorter flight, but

2262
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: because of the curvature of the globe, is it actually

2263
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: I think I think it might be either the same

2264
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:52,160
Speaker 1: or a little shorter from I don't know, maybe not. Yeah,

2265
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:54,799
Speaker 1: CBS one o'clock.

2266
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 3: Would you pick?

2267
01:41:55,800 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm picking the Vikings CBS one o'clock. The two

2268
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:03,400
Speaker 1: and one Commanders are at the one and two Falcons.

2269
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Falcons reeling a little bit.

2270
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 3: Here, Washington by one and a half.

2271
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:11,000
Speaker 4: I think, does it look like Jay Daniels's in a fight?

2272
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: I sounds like he won't be playing.

2273
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 3: I think he's trying to convince the doctors to let him,

2274
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,799
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure. Yeah, I just after how Atlanta

2275
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:21,679
Speaker 3: looked last Week's hard to pick them. No matter who's

2276
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 3: playing quarterback for Washington. It's a close spread, so I'll

2277
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 3: take Washington. I'll lay the point and a half Washington.

2278
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 3: So one of the things that Fred Kersh has taught

2279
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,680
Speaker 3: me in his illustrious career picking these games is that

2280
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 3: teams are never quite as bad as they look at

2281
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 3: their worst. I got to think Atlanta is a better

2282
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 3: team than that. At home, they rally and they come

2283
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 3: up with a win. Can we do caveat picks?

2284
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,599
Speaker 1: Like if Jade and Daniels plays, it's one way.

2285
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 4: And I mean, you've got the gambling parlance book, I'll allow.

2286
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 1: It, okay, if Jade and Daniels plays Commanders, if not

2287
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:56,920
Speaker 1: Falcons all.

2288
01:42:56,880 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 3: Right, I'm gonna write down at Yeah.

2289
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: No, no, should all be able to do that's a

2290
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: big deal. We don't have the info.

2291
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:05,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the confidence in Washington. Okay, I just

2292
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 3: put an asterisk down. Okay, so that'll remind me that

2293
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 3: I think that's only fair. I mean, who am I

2294
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 3: to make fun of? I've picked both the Patriots and

2295
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 3: the other team the last two weeks in a row.

2296
01:43:15,320 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm finally going to get off that train this week. Okay,

2297
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:20,439
Speaker 3: So I'm not making fun of anyone for covering all bases.

2298
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 1: One o'clock CBS, The oh and three Saints are at

2299
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: the three and oh Bills.

2300
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 3: Buffalo by fifteen and a half.

2301
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:29,639
Speaker 4: Ye wow, a lot of points.

2302
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 7: Uh yeah, definitely Buffalo. Just a question of do you

2303
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,160
Speaker 7: think the Saints are going to have any fight? I

2304
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 7: do not think they will.

2305
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lay off fifteen and a half of those.

2306
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Buffalo, but I can't. The spread scares

2307
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 5: me so.

2308
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:49,639
Speaker 3: Sneaky cover maybe Yeah, I'm gonna do the same thing.

2309
01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 3: I don't think this game will be in question, but

2310
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 3: fifteen and a half's a lot. I'll take Buffalo to win.

2311
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,800
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone thought that last week they were just

2312
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 1: going to destroy the Dolphins and it was a one

2313
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 1: touchdown game. Ten points, ten points, yeah, fair by twelve. Yeah,

2314
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take the Bills, but i will take

2315
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:13,679
Speaker 1: those points. I will take those points. Watch your fingers

2316
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: window quld slam shot on them one o'clock on Fox.

2317
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: The one and two Browns are at the two and

2318
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: one Lions. That was a big win for the Lions

2319
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: last week.

2320
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 3: Destois by ten.

2321
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: Ten.

2322
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get a little crazy here.

2323
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 7: I'm gonna take Detroit to win at home, but I

2324
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:37,519
Speaker 7: think maybe a little bit of a letdown coming off

2325
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 7: that big win over Baltimore on Monday night, short week,

2326
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 7: maybe they don't quite cover it.

2327
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 4: I'll take Cleveland plus ten.

2328
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:45,720
Speaker 5: I feel the same way.

2329
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,720
Speaker 3: I'm going to take Detroit to cover. I'm going to

2330
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 3: say that they are really intent on showing everybody that

2331
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 3: it wasn't just about Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn and

2332
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 3: we're a good team without those guys too. And Cleveland

2333
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 3: getting a lot of props after they win against green

2334
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 3: Bay smelling their own parts well. They do have a

2335
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 3: good defense defense and they have for a few Detroit

2336
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 3: has a really good offense. I'll take the Lions both ways.

2337
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Lions both ways. Paul, So you're

2338
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,400
Speaker 1: in good shape on this game. One o'clock CBS, The

2339
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: oh and three Titans are at the Owen three Texans.

2340
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna get off the shots.

2341
01:45:27,200 --> 01:45:28,440
Speaker 3: Didn't buy seven.

2342
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 4: Seven? Huh?

2343
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 3: Cam Ward banged up to by the way, Yeah, I

2344
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 3: miss some practice time, yeah, c J. Stroud.

2345
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,240
Speaker 7: I mean it's it seems like they're having some struggles

2346
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:42,759
Speaker 7: there right now. Offensive line of problem. He's got two touchdowns,

2347
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 7: three interceptions, not going great. I would take Houston to win. Shoot,

2348
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,720
Speaker 7: I probably would take the points if if he was

2349
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 7: playing the quarterback for Tennessee.

2350
01:45:52,120 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 3: Can't but I'm gonna know that. I don't know that

2351
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,080
Speaker 3: he's not playing. I just think he missed some practice

2352
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:56,879
Speaker 3: time yesterday.

2353
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get crazy. I'm gonna I'll take I will

2354
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 4: take the points. I'll take the points plus seven for Tennessee.

2355
01:46:02,080 --> 01:46:03,599
Speaker 5: Please can you all do the same thing?

2356
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:09,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take Houston both ways. They've been disappointing,

2357
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 3: but I think they are a better team than than

2358
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 3: Tennessee right now and at home, and they take out

2359
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 3: some frustrations on the Titans.

2360
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 1: I agree, Texans both ways. CBS one o'clock the three

2361
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:26,840
Speaker 1: and oho Chargers are at the zero to three.

2362
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,759
Speaker 3: Giants charge is by six.

2363
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:33,200
Speaker 4: Checks in dark time for the Giants.

2364
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert early MVP candidate, He's.

2365
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 3: Played really, really well.

2366
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 4: That's a great observation, Fred. I'm gonna take the Chargers

2367
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 4: to win, and I'm gonna lay the points against a rookie.

2368
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: Now at six six, do we mention that Dart's gonna

2369
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: yeah quarterback?

2370
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:53,599
Speaker 18: Yes?

2371
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:58,759
Speaker 3: So I really like the Chargers, I really like Justin Herbert,

2372
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,240
Speaker 3: and I think it's a really good team. But this

2373
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 3: is the kind of game that the Chargers traditionally stumble.

2374
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 3: I think the meadow Lands will have a little juice

2375
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 3: with Jackson Dart making his first start. I'll take the

2376
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 3: Giants post the upset. Oh oh, light out. I'm not

2377
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 3: gonna quite go there, but i will take the points. So, Paul,

2378
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 3: you might be onto something. Well, if it goes the

2379
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 3: way the whole season's gone, the Giants will lose this

2380
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:32,160
Speaker 3: game by seven points. They'll have a lead and not

2381
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 3: only won't pull the upset off, but they'll lose the

2382
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:37,719
Speaker 3: cover by a point. And that is why my friend,

2383
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 3: you go nineteen and twenty nine. They hate spread Fox,

2384
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 3: hate me Fox.

2385
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:43,960
Speaker 1: At one o'clock, the three and oh Eagles are at

2386
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,600
Speaker 1: the three and oh Bucks. Something has to.

2387
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 3: Give Eagles by three and a half.

2388
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Get rowed.

2389
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:51,639
Speaker 10: Yeah.

2390
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 4: I picked Philadelphia get upset last week. They did not.

2391
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 3: It's a perfect example of it's screwed. Yeah.

2392
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 7: I'm finding hard to pick against Bagger Bacon at home.

2393
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 7: I'm going to take Baker Bacon and I'm going to

2394
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 7: take those three and a half points for Tampa.

2395
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:14,760
Speaker 3: Please, I'm going to take the Eagles, So this is

2396
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 3: a tough one. I'm going to take Tampa to win

2397
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 3: the game outright on with Mike. Last year, Philly went

2398
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:24,679
Speaker 3: into Tampa and the Bucks absolutely eviscerated them. It looked

2399
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:27,680
Speaker 3: like Nick Sirianni might lose his job everything. Then they

2400
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 3: never lost again. It was like ridiculous after that point.

2401
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:34,200
Speaker 3: But does Philadelphia remember that game and come in here

2402
01:48:34,240 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 3: with something to prove or is Tampa just a bad

2403
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 3: matchup for Philadelphia. We'll find out on Sun Go with

2404
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 3: Fred's guy gonna let Baker Baker bake.

2405
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to go the other way. I think the

2406
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Eagles are a really solid team and I'm gonna they're

2407
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: going to actually beat the bake So Eagles to cover.

2408
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:58,719
Speaker 1: And now we skip over the Patriots at one o'clock

2409
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:01,600
Speaker 1: and we go to four five on Fox, it's the

2410
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 1: three and oh Colts at the two and one Rams.

2411
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 3: Good game, the lar by three and a half.

2412
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a great game. I mean, Indy definitely

2413
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 4: the surprise of the league right now.

2414
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,839
Speaker 7: Daniel Jones playing out of his mind ken of continue

2415
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 7: against Sean McVay and the ROMs. You know, I'm gonna

2416
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:23,760
Speaker 7: go throw back win for the Rams and I will yeah,

2417
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 7: you know what, I'm gonna take the points, though I

2418
01:49:25,320 --> 01:49:26,120
Speaker 7: think it's gonna be close.

2419
01:49:26,160 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 4: One I'll get. I'll give the Colts some respect to

2420
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:29,439
Speaker 4: four and a half.

2421
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 3: Three and a half.

2422
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 12: Yes, sorry, love what the Colts are doing this year,

2423
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 12: but my head says Rams both ways at home.

2424
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the Rams both ways also, but

2425
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 3: I think the Colts are onto something. I think they're

2426
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:50,559
Speaker 3: doing all right. I think they've improved dramatically. But I'll

2427
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 3: take the Lar at home, coming off a loss that

2428
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 3: they've probably kicking themselves. They had that game in the pocket. Yeah,

2429
01:49:56,280 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 3: twenty six to seven lead, get two field goals blocked

2430
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:01,439
Speaker 3: down the stretch. Not good.

2431
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, word on the street, are the touts are hedging

2432
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 1: this one? So I'm gonna take the Colts to cover

2433
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: Rams win. But Colts cover that that margin, or win

2434
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:13,679
Speaker 1: within the margin.

2435
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:14,800
Speaker 3: Right, I missed it.

2436
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: They're in the margins.

2437
01:50:16,320 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 3: I missed it.

2438
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:21,760
Speaker 1: Fox at four oh five, the two and one Jaguars

2439
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: at the three and oh, forty nine Ers.

2440
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 3: I think the forty nine ers at three and oh

2441
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 3: and they're like something like plus six and points something

2442
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 3: like that. Wait, Niners by three and a half.

2443
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I I think Jacksonville's got a little juice.

2444
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,519
Speaker 7: I like their weaponry. I can't believe I'm gonna do it,

2445
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 7: but I'm gonna take Mac again.

2446
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 6: He playing still Matt Jones.

2447
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 4: Oh no, but it should be.

2448
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 1: I think he's hurt.

2449
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:48,439
Speaker 5: Is hurt too.

2450
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not up in my San Francisco PCL or something.

2451
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 4: All right, I'm gonna take San Francisco anywhere.

2452
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 5: Jacksonville.

2453
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take San Francisco at home. But I

2454
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 3: will take the hook, as I like to say, and

2455
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:07,599
Speaker 3: take Jacksonville to cover Alex.

2456
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 1: Why we're the King and Queen Jacksonville outright CBS four

2457
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 1: twenty five, the one and two Ravens at the one

2458
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 1: and two Chiefs. Who'd have thunk that would be their records?

2459
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 3: Baltimore by two and a half on the road.

2460
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,200
Speaker 1: In Kansas City. Boy, times have changed.

2461
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,479
Speaker 7: Trying to get that first win, I gotta I'm gonna

2462
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 7: go with Lamar. I just think they're too good to

2463
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 7: be held down this long. Stop funneling the ball, Derrick Henry.

2464
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 4: I think they'll be okay. Sent Kansas City to a

2465
01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 4: third loss.

2466
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 3: Ravens Ravens, Yeah, I just think Baltimore is a better

2467
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 3: team right now. Until the Chiefs get some of their

2468
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:51,560
Speaker 3: players back, I don't see them having enough weapons to

2469
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 3: keep up with Lamar Jackson. The Ravens have to win

2470
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 3: an important game at some point as well, be this one.

2471
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 1: Ravenswent five CBS one and two Bears at the one

2472
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:04,639
Speaker 1: and two Raiders.

2473
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 3: So this is, you know, a wise tut Fred Kersh

2474
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 3: once told me sometimes there are red flag spreads. Chicago,

2475
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:19,520
Speaker 3: coming off of just a blowout win over the Cowboys,

2476
01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams played really, really well. They go to a

2477
01:52:22,560 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 3: Vegas team that has looked abysmally bad and the Raiders

2478
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 3: are favorbody one and a half. When you put that sign, what.

2479
01:52:34,360 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 1: Do the sharps know?

2480
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:37,760
Speaker 7: Give me, Caleb Williams. I'll give it a whirl. But

2481
01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:39,839
Speaker 7: you're right, Vegas has not been impressive.

2482
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 4: I like the Bears Bears.

2483
01:52:44,280 --> 01:52:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Chicago is the better team. But I

2484
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,600
Speaker 3: am a scared of this spread, so I'm going to

2485
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,559
Speaker 3: take Vegas. I think that they know something.

2486
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, it could be just a betting thing where they

2487
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: want the money to come in, or they're trying to

2488
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 1: get more Bear money coming in. I'm going to take

2489
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,080
Speaker 1: the Bears. I think they were a better team. I

2490
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 1: really so good to pick the better team sometimes.

2491
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 3: I no, I agree with you guys. I think Chicago's

2492
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 3: a better team.

2493
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Uh eight twenty NBC and Universo the two and one

2494
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: Packers against the one and two Cowboys.

2495
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 3: A Green Bay by seven on the road. Trying to

2496
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 3: think of something clever to say about Michael Parsons, but

2497
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 3: nothing to me, so I have just a long pause.

2498
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 7: Now, well, yeah, that's a Michael Parsons comes home two

2499
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 7: teams coming off a loss last week. Green Bay I

2500
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 7: think got humbled a little bit after their hot start.

2501
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 7: I like green Bay to bounce back with Parsons, I

2502
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 7: will lay the points.

2503
01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:44,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Dallas. I'm gonna take green Bay to cover.

2504
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:47,719
Speaker 3: Okay, green Bay by seven.

2505
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:50,479
Speaker 5: Papers, messing me up again?

2506
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 3: What you say, green Bay?

2507
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:53,679
Speaker 1: I don't know where you get that page?

2508
01:53:54,680 --> 01:53:55,599
Speaker 5: That's a big spread?

2509
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 1: No, is this like created before the season starts?

2510
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:02,960
Speaker 4: A minute?

2511
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 3: You have green Bay both ways? Okay? Now, and you

2512
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,120
Speaker 3: have on this spread it says Dallas is favored.

2513
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:11,240
Speaker 7: Well, and this I was going by. Honestly, I go

2514
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 7: by what you're spread though, No I know, but it

2515
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 7: says this is Dallas five and a half. That doesn't

2516
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 7: make any sense of.

2517
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 3: I get a new paper that's a twelve difference in

2518
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 3: the spread. That's ridiculous.

2519
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:23,800
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. That's such a big spread.

2520
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 4: I just use it for sure.

2521
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 3: It doesn't say green Bay was favored by five and

2522
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:27,639
Speaker 3: a half.

2523
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 4: No, green Bay plus points five point.

2524
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 3: That's unbelievable. I don't know where you're getting your information.

2525
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 4: Your brackets dot com?

2526
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, get a new source for green Bay by seven spreading.

2527
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I took it and I laid it.

2528
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 3: Okay, took it and broke a mider.

2529
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 5: What I said, then green Bay wins Dallas covers.

2530
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.

2531
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 16: There.

2532
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 3: I am going to go with the Douche train and

2533
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 3: take green Bay both ways?

2534
01:54:56,120 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: Agree, green Bay both ways? All right? Monday Night, seven fifteen, ESPN,

2535
01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 1: ESPN Deportes. It's the oh and three Jets at the

2536
01:55:07,120 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 1: oh and three Dolphins.

2537
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 3: Great Monday Night, double head. Somebody's got to win Miami

2538
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 3: by two and a half.

2539
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:18,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll go with Miami at home against the bad team,

2540
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 7: but yeah, probably pretty gross game.

2541
01:55:22,280 --> 01:55:25,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take Miami. Showed some fight against the Bills.

2542
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 3: So anybody know if Justin Fields is back.

2543
01:55:30,360 --> 01:55:32,040
Speaker 5: I feel like I saw something on the tweeter.

2544
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Miami at home in a concussion Yeah yeah,

2545
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:39,240
Speaker 3: he was out of last game with a concussion. I'm

2546
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:42,360
Speaker 3: gonna take Miami at home, but I don't feel great

2547
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 3: about it.

2548
01:55:43,160 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Jets.

2549
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, feels practicing today.

2550
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 1: I think the Jets probably have a pretty good answer

2551
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 1: for Tua. The Dolphins would be hard pressed to score.

2552
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:56,680
Speaker 3: And in fairness, the Jets have had a real opportunity

2553
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 3: to win two of their games. I mean, I suppose

2554
01:55:59,880 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 3: you could make that argument for the Dolphins too, but

2555
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 3: I don't really think they were much of a chance

2556
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 3: to win.

2557
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:08,280
Speaker 1: The Bills game eight fifteen on ABC, So it's a

2558
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:10,280
Speaker 1: double header on the on the mouse and it's what

2559
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 1: you like.

2560
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah to seven and eight o'clock.

2561
01:56:12,240 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: Seven and eight, so I can watch both U two

2562
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:18,320
Speaker 1: and one Bengals are at the of course, one and

2563
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 1: two Broncos home. Yep, they love that. You can see

2564
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 1: the mountains in the background.

2565
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah.

2566
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 3: Broncos by seven and a half.

2567
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:31,440
Speaker 4: Uh, this is a tough one. I mean, it was

2568
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:33,760
Speaker 4: a little surprised by Cincinnat's result last week. I'm gonna

2569
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 4: take Denver at home. I feel like they're kind of

2570
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,680
Speaker 4: do lay the points. That defense against Jake Browning should

2571
01:56:40,720 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 4: do the job.

2572
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Denver lay it.

2573
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna take Denver to win, too, but that's

2574
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 3: a lot of points. I'm going to take the points.

2575
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no place like home every week, so Broncos

2576
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 1: both ways.

2577
01:56:52,920 --> 01:56:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah to your point though, And I can't remember for sure,

2578
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 3: but I think Buffalo may be starting with four home

2579
01:56:58,240 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 3: games in the first five weeks something like that.

2580
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were on the road.

2581
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 3: I think whether they went to the Jets but they

2582
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 3: opened it at home against Baltimore, then they went to

2583
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:11,000
Speaker 3: the Jets, they were home against Miami, and now they're

2584
01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:13,400
Speaker 3: home again. Now they're home again, and then they're home again,

2585
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 3: and then they're home again next week against the Patriots.

2586
01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 3: Is that for the first five games?

2587
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:22,560
Speaker 1: Maybe towards the end they need like, no, I'm being

2588
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 1: serious here, maybe towards in December. I haven't looked at

2589
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:27,720
Speaker 1: the schedule, but they need to get out of there

2590
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 1: because they're doing stuff for the new stadium.

2591
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,200
Speaker 3: Like they might have to close the interesting thing.

2592
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:33,440
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2593
01:57:33,520 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they forfeited those games because no owner in

2594
01:57:38,040 --> 01:57:40,440
Speaker 1: his right mind would say, oh, I'll have a bunch

2595
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 1: of road games at the end of.

2596
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 5: This Well they do have too. Yeah, two home games

2597
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 5: at the end of the season.

2598
01:57:46,120 --> 01:57:47,320
Speaker 1: So how do they finish the se.

2599
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 5: So let's start with end of November. Okay, December.

2600
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:59,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, home against the Bengals, away against US, away against

2601
01:57:59,880 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 12: the Browns, and then two games at home against my

2602
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:03,760
Speaker 12: series out.

2603
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 3: They must have a good stretch of road games in

2604
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 3: the middle.

2605
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Now we go back to one o'clock

2606
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 1: on Fox. I don't think Brady's calling this game. It's

2607
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:18,600
Speaker 1: the one and two Panthers at the one and two Patriots.

2608
01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 4: Pretty good.

2609
01:58:20,800 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 3: Sorry, the Patriots by five and a half.

2610
01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 4: Five and a half. Let's go, what's my score?

2611
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2612
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, yeah, no, that's good. All right.

2613
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna go Patriots on this one. Must win

2614
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:36,400
Speaker 7: for them in many regards. I think they clean up

2615
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 7: the turnovers. I think they put together a pretty good win,

2616
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 7: get some momentum going into Buffalo. I'm gonna take Patriots

2617
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 7: twenty seven to seventeen.

2618
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:49,200
Speaker 5: Patriots twenty seven Panthers fourteen.

2619
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mike changed his score from Monday. Twenty seven to

2620
01:58:57,240 --> 01:59:00,360
Speaker 3: thirteen was the score that Mike and I both came

2621
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 3: up at.

2622
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:01,360
Speaker 4: Seventeen.

2623
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 3: I give the team for the TV show. I just

2624
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:09,240
Speaker 3: feel like the Panthers don't have enough offense to keep up,

2625
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:13,680
Speaker 3: and I think the Patriots will wear down that defense.

2626
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:15,040
Speaker 3: I think you can run on them. I think the

2627
01:59:15,080 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 3: Patriots want to run the ball more effectively. Just got

2628
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 3: to hold onto it. You hold onto it, you should

2629
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,800
Speaker 3: be able to win this game twenty seven to thirteen.

2630
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: Folks, For the second time this season, I am guaranteeing

2631
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: a Patriots win. And not only am I guaranteeing a win,

2632
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm guaranteeing a blowout forty one to ten Patriots. I

2633
01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 1: was right on the thirty burger last time. I'm going

2634
01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 1: to be right on the forty steak this time. It's

2635
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,840
Speaker 1: not a burger. It's a steak. Forty one to ten

2636
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,480
Speaker 1: Patriots over the Panthers. Not all the points come on offense,

2637
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 1: but they're going to have forty one points.

2638
01:59:57,280 --> 01:59:58,440
Speaker 3: Well, I go, that's for sure.

2639
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't believe. I believe.

2640
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I believe this is going to be an easy win.

2641
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 10: I do.

2642
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:07,480
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, twenty seven thirteen. That's a that's a good

2643
02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: that's good for you. That's a that's a huge blow

2644
02:00:09,720 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 1: I need it. That's like a seven nothing soccer score

2645
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:14,960
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, it'll be a great soccer you know soccer. Right,

2646
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:18,080
Speaker 1: all right, that's going to be it for this edition

2647
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:21,640
Speaker 1: of Patriots Unfiltered. Remember, go to wherever you get your

2648
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 1: podcast Pats from the Past and look at the parcels. Interview.

2649
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,240
Speaker 1: Be a lot of fun for you old timers, especially

2650
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 1: this weekend pregame show ten forty five forty five. Right,

2651
02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:37,480
Speaker 1: we have the new schedule, so do that, and then

2652
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:40,800
Speaker 1: the postgame show should be a lot of fun because

2653
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 1: I'll be coming down here riding Hi Baby.

2654
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:46,400
Speaker 3: They don't. I think we will have an enjoyable doughnut

2655
02:00:46,480 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 3: for Freddy and if not, we'll be look out. Take

2656
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:52,120
Speaker 3: away the shoelaces.

2657
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:55,480
Speaker 1: If it doesn't go well, okay, that's me. We'll see

2658
02:00:55,480 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 1: you Sunday unwatched.

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02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,040
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2660
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:03,720
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02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:10,640
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02:01:10,680 --> 02:01:12,520
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2666
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:13,200
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot,