1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: I've never told your production of I High Radio. Yes, 3 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: and welcome to another women around the world and the 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: amazing things they are doing and continue to do to 5 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: fight for women's rights and advocacy. Yes, and we celebrate 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: with all of them. Yes. Typically out on Tuesdays and 7 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: whenever you listen. So today we are jumping to Nepal 8 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: to talk about an advocate for disabled Indigenous people, Pratima Gurung. 9 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: And Gurung is an academic activist from Nepal and has 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: been working tirelessly to fight for the rights of the 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: disabled women and children in the indigenous community of Nepal. 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: A disabled Indigenous woman herself after losing her hand at 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: the age of seven, Gurung has been a part of 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: the fight to get the voices of her community heard 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to being seen presented throughout the world 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: and Paul alone. The population is made up with at 17 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: least thirty five of indigenous peoples and according to Guru 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: DePaul has at least one point three million Indigenous people 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: with disabilities right and Gurum has talked about the difficulties 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: and challenges and being an Indigenous woman with disabilities, and 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: she stays quote, the first challenge I experience as an 22 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: Indigenous woman with disabilities is about meaningful representation. It involves 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: who you are, where you are represented. And because as 24 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: soon as you are a woman and an Indigenous woman 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: and a woman with disabilities, all of these identities keep 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: you limited within the four walls. It comes to a 27 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: point that your voice, your representation, your identification, and your 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: recognition is the primary thing, and that begins from home, 29 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: from the family, from the private sphere to the public sphere. 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: And she continued the second challenges about being disabled and 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: the stigma associated with it. When you are a woman 32 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: with disabilities, you have many serious and critical issues related 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: with your life. The third thing is ensuring your base 34 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: sick fundamental needs like education, your social background, your economic status, 35 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: your employment opportunities, your accessibility. Group started working with the 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: Indigenous People's Movement over twenty years ago in two thousand one, 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: researching the different aspects and fundamental rights for Indigenous women, 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: and quickly realized how little information she had about Indigenous 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: people with disability and especially Indigenous women with disabilities, and 40 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: saw the importance of the intersectionality of Indigenous and disability um. 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: She's become a fierce advocate in ensuring these voices are 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: heard and has become a leader within the movement. She's 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: currently the President of the National Indigenous Disabled Women's Association 44 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: NEPAUL and she is an expert contributor for the Disability 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: National Direcitions Committee, which was created by the Ministry of 46 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Women and Children and Senior Citizen in Nepaul government and 47 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: the General Secretary for Indigenous Persons with Disability Global Network 48 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: and Nepal Indigenous Disabled Association. And on top of that, 49 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: she is a part of the faculty of pad mc 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: kanye College. Cat Men do. As you can tell, she 51 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: is very busy person and has a lot to do 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: and does it very well. With her busy life, she 53 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: continues to speak out and work internationally to have women 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: to be a part of the policy changes in overall 55 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: conversation of the importance and representation as a whole, especially 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to making a progress and change in 57 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: our world and community. As she says in her interview 58 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: with Cultural Survival Quarterly, I really want to highlight the 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: effective and meaningful participation of Indigenous women at all levels. Today. 60 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: We want Indigenous women at the table. We want them 61 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: to make their decisions. We want them to make their 62 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: concrete ideas known about the issues and concerns that are 63 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: affecting their lives. We don't want others who would make 64 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: a decision and an agreement on behalf of us. Indigenous 65 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: women with disabilities have to be brought to the front 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: lines by their effective and meaningful participation. Yeah, and actually 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: she just recently, I think it was twenty nineteen, participated 68 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: with the u n's Permanent Forum on Indigenous Issues in 69 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: New York and was able to highlight a lot lot 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: of just controversial things about the mere fact that there's 71 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: not any representation, there's no real conversation within the Indigenous community, 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: and we wanted to highlight an Indigenous woman. We try 73 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: to do as many as we can from all over 74 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: the world because this is constantly a thing that we 75 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: see where they're completely overlooked and invisible. And then putting 76 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: on top of that, we talked about the women who 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: are ignored, and we've talked about the missing and murdered 78 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: Indigenous women that continue to be overlooked, but we also 79 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: need to talk about those that are affected by disability. 80 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: And we know that people with disabilities in general are overlooked. 81 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: So this intersectionality of just being completely not thought of, 82 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: is this higher level of concern that we should have 83 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: as a conversation, and it should go beyond just the 84 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: political conversation, because we see that every day. It's not 85 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: a topic that we often see, and that's really sad 86 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: and such that oftentimes they're left out altogether in conversations 87 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: in general. And I think that it's amazing how little 88 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: we know of that population, or how little that we 89 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: talked about that population, and her talking about in two 90 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: thousand one doing her own research not being able to 91 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: find it. In two thousand twenty one, I don't even 92 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: see her name in Wikipedia. And she's doing some dynamic things, 93 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: obviously trying to change people's minds. She's doing it in 94 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: her country, she's doing it for her people as well 95 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: as coming into the US trying to talk to the 96 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: United Nations. But again we see very limited information. And 97 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: this was twenty nineteen. And then on top of that, 98 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: we've talked about how COVID has impacted the indigenous community, 99 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: and we still aren't talking enough about it. We're not 100 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: talking enough about how lack of funding is happening, and 101 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: the fact that she was here in twenty nineteen here 102 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: in the US talking about it, and she's still fighting 103 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: for these rights. But at the same time, we know 104 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: COVID has hit indigenous communities, some of them the hardest, 105 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: and there's very little and so much backtracking in the 106 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: progress they've already made because of quarantine in the pandemic 107 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 1: in itself, and I think we have to make better 108 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: efforts and hopefully we are any hopefully we are doing 109 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: so in trying to recognize this hard work that's already 110 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: being done. Literally, we don't have to do much other 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: than read these interviews. And by the way, if we 112 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: just talked about the Cultural Survival quarterly. They are a 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: great organization that talks about indigenous people around the world. 114 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: So if you want more information about what they're doing, 115 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: it's Cultural Survival dot org. And I've gotten a few 116 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: names from their organization from their site. So thank you 117 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: all for your hard work and helping us to recognize 118 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: these incredible people who are doing some incredible work. And 119 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: I hope we can do better because uh, and we're 120 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: not going to talk about it right now, but just 121 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: what comes to mind is the recent case of the 122 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: influencer white woman who wit missing and has been found murdered. 123 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: There's so much to try to push her case up 124 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: so people can see it. And a lot of the 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,799 Speaker 1: people in the community, people of color, miss indigenous people 126 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: are like, what about the people we've been hollering about? 127 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Who we've been yelling about? Hasn't anyone showed this much 128 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: interest in these cases? And I think it's important to remember, Yeah, 129 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: there are so many things happening that we continue to 130 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: ignore because they are a person of color and or 131 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: indigenous or black individual is absurd black that we hear 132 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: of these cases and we need to do better as 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: a whole, as a community and as a group of 134 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: people that we say our advocates and we want to 135 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: be allies in trying to push this narrative in this 136 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: conversation forward, Yes, yes, yes to all. Yeah, there's a 137 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: lot to impact there, and we would love to highlight 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: women who are doing this work. 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