1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to tonight's classic episode, Fellow conspiracy realist. This is 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: a deep cut. We called this as you could see 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: if you saw the title Pop Music, black Magic and 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: Murder The Case of Moda Fan Day. 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, guys, I don't remember a whole 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: heck of a lot about this one. 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: Oh dude, this is a wild one. Yes, I don't 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: even want to spoil stuff with this. It just it 9 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: unfolds in a way where you're like, wait, how it 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 3: matches up with some of the rumors that you hear 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: about super popular singers specifically, but people in Hollywood. You're like, oh, yeah, 12 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: they're definitely doing like rituals and stuff and they got 13 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 3: power somehow through that stuff. 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, how did they get famous? It's a question a 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: lot of people ask, especially in a society that worships celebrity, 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: Why not me? What did this person do? Differently, and 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: often the public looks toward darker or more sinister explanations 18 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: behind that success. 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: When right off the bat, it seems to have a 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: lot in common with some of the conspiracies and actual 21 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: real occurrences surrounding some Swedish black metal bands that actually 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: got into satanic rituals and murdering each other. But this 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: is in the realm of pop music, which I think 24 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 2: is something that people don't often consider. 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: This is the story of Nur Masna binti Ismael, who 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: was a four time a quite successful musician under the 27 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: name Mona Fandy. From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back 29 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: A production of iHeart Radios How Stuff Works. 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: Noel is not here today. 33 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: But will be returning in the future. They call me Ben. 34 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: We are joined as always with our super producer Paul 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: Mission control Decan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here, 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. 37 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: So we're traveling abroad today, Matt, Yes, through the power 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: of imagination, podcast and the mind. 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: Really it's the only traveling outside of the United States 40 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: that I've gotten to do in a long time. 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Now you have been to other countries. 42 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: I have, but not in a very very long time. So, 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: through the magic of research and podcasting, we're going to 44 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 3: take a trip today. 45 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Yes, a very strange trip, as we are wont to 46 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: do on this show. Let's check in real quick with 47 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: Mission Control. How we doing man thumbs up, thumbs down, 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: Pretty good thumb that was. That was a solid thumb, Yeah, 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: it was. It was a solid thumb. We are taking 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: a trip together, the three of us. That is a 51 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: weird thing. Maybe we'll reveal more about that in the future. 52 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Right by the time this podcast comes out, we may 53 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: have completed our trip. 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 3: I'm almost certain. Yeah, I'm almost certain we'll be arriving 55 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: back here from New York. 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Oh wow, time is getting weird. What is the present now? 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: It's the moment for those of us listening to this 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: for the first time anyway, time space, it's a whole 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: bag of badgers and a messy calendar of spaghetti. But 60 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: today we're not dealing with time and space. We have 61 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: been covering quite a few tech science or social related 62 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: topics and conspiracies in recent episodes, So this time we're 63 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: planning to explore something a little different, a bit grizzly, 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: magic Mania, murder, and I want to apologize in advance, yes, 65 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: any mispronunciations, because Matt, neither you nor I speak the 66 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: languages that will occur in today's. 67 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: Show, very very true, the languages that are spoken as 68 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: we travel to Malaysia. 69 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Now, it is true that some of our fellow listeners 70 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: actually live in Malaysia or have spent time there. We 71 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: found that out when we did an earlier episode on 72 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: the Oily Manes No of that, we. 73 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 3: Had several people write in with. 74 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Specifics, specific anecdotes of similar events, also some helpful handy 75 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: pronunciation guides. So if you are listening, feel free to 76 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: help us out. We always prefer a bit of illumination 77 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: to the darkness that surrounds us in this chaotic universe. 78 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: If you are familiar with Malaysian pop music, if you 79 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: have a deep, deep knowledge of it, then you may 80 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: notice the song that we played is Malaysian in origin. 81 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: If you were a very ardent, knowledgeable fan of Malay music, 82 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: you might have said, hey, that's Mona Fandy. 83 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: Also known as or born as nurmaz Na binti ismail And. 84 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: She was born in Kangar Perlis or Perlee pe r Lis. 85 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: As a child, she was she was engaged in regular 86 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: extracurricular events, you know, school dances. She was a water 87 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: ballet performer, and she became a mildly successful singer under 88 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: the stage name Mona Fandy with an album called Diana One. 89 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: It was released in nineteen eighty seven, and. 90 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: It should be noted that that was a self produced 91 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: album and it was also distributed by herself and her husband. 92 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: That's right, right, her husband who during courtship actually met 93 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: her because he said he was her biggest fan, yeah, 94 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: which is beautiful, and he said, I want to help 95 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: you attain the fame that you deserve. They had some 96 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: limited success. Mona Fandi was for a long time best 97 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 1: known for the song Ku Nan Yikan Lagueni and that's 98 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: that's what we played a snippet of earlier, and it 99 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: feels very late eighties, it feels very in the moment, right. 100 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: She continued working toward that dream of fame. She had 101 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: a few TV appearances, but her career wasn't taking off. 102 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: And this is something that happens to many many people, 103 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: right Hollywood and the music industry, entertainment in general is 104 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: paved with broken dreams. 105 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, she clearly had the drive and you know, quite 106 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: a bit of talent there, as you heard in that song. 107 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: But there's so much luck that comes into a lot 108 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: of the performance based careers, just with who you end 109 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: up meeting, who ends up hearing your thing or seeing 110 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: your thing, right, who talks about you at what party? 111 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: And no small amount of corruption. Oh yeah, I just 112 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: when I see this very cynical and sad. But when 113 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,679 Speaker 1: I see people become big stars quote unquote out of nowhere, 114 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: I just assume that they are the product of music 115 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: industry campaign and that's not a ding on their talent. 116 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: That's just how this broken system functions exactly. So it's 117 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: through no fault of her own, really that Mona Fandi 118 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: does not become an international Malaysian superstar in the world 119 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: of pop music. It just didn't work out, and she 120 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: found a different calling. She and her husband switched careers. 121 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: They pivoted their focus. They began studying traditional medicinal practice, 122 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, healing through herbs, meditation, seasonal rituals, that sort 123 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: of stuff. And she seems set to gently, quietly fade 124 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: from the public consciousness and live out the remainder of 125 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: her life quietly with her husband always to mention his 126 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: name mode of Fondi Abdul Rahman. 127 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: But all of this changed in nineteen ninety three, when 128 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: this relatively unknown obscurer former pop star was implicated in 129 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: something much much more serious. See the whole time she'd 130 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: been claiming to, you know, practice traditional medicine with her husband, 131 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: she was actually engaging in a more sinister and dangerous 132 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: form of magic. 133 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: That's correct, Matt mona Fandi. She was a bomo, a sorcerer. 134 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: She had just committed murder. We'll be back after a 135 00:08:50,160 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. For 136 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: a time, Fandy and her husband had a fairly successful traditional, 137 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: let's call it magical consulting business. 138 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, you know this kind of profession, it 139 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: really makes you have to search for, you know, clients. 140 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 3: I mean, in any profession, you're looking for someone else 141 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 3: to use your service or buy your goods or anything 142 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: like that. But in this case, because it is a 143 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 3: little more I don't know what you'd call it, of 144 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: a boutique kind of thing, or that's not the right word. 145 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 3: High end, it could, yeah, it could be high end, 146 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: especially if you're paying for services of a bomo a 147 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 3: sorcerer to you know, give you either fame or fortune 148 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: or power or something like that. That's generally the reason 149 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: that people seek out these types of sorcerers, and they 150 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: were always looking for clients, you know, who are in 151 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: the upper echelons of things, sure VIPs, and they found 152 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 3: a few, at least according to the two of them, 153 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: they found several high end clients within the government and 154 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: a few other places. 155 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: Who wish to remain anonymous. That was a big thing 156 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: with their service too. People weren't openly identified as clients because, 157 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, magic has always been a divisive thing in 158 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: the modern day. Some people very much believe in traditional 159 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: shamanistic practices. Other people eschew it entirely and prefer to 160 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: live a more secular life. So, especially in the world 161 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: of politics, depending upon your constituency, it might be really 162 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: cool that you engage in these practices, or it may 163 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: make you seem less credible to some voters. 164 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: But either way, if you're using them for a darker purpose, 165 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: you probably want to keep that hidden. 166 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Right and Fandy and co. Found a big fish in 167 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: the form of a state assemblyman from Batu Talan named 168 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Datuk Moslin. Idris Moslin was educated in the US and 169 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: he was thirsty. He was an ambitious politician from the 170 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: ruling party Unite in malays National Organization or um NO. 171 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: He wanted the BOMO to provide services that would boost 172 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: his political career. He wanted to be the chief Minister, 173 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: and thought, you know, if we keep this quiet through 174 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the use of magic, we can you know, we can 175 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: make my career more auspicious. We can tilt the scales 176 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: a bit, the scales of luck and corruption that are 177 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: so common in the entertainment industry and in the world 178 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: of politics. A little finger finger on a scale, just 179 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: swing the needle a bit, just enough. So Muna Fandi 180 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: did not work alone her husband, of course we had 181 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: mentioned Afondi worked with her and they had an assistant 182 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: named Jerami Hassan. So there are three people involved, and. 183 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: The assistant was a little bit younger than them. 184 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: Yes, very important. You'll hear some reports that he was 185 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: thirty one. You'll hear some reports that he was in 186 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: his late twenties. 187 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 3: And you'll also hear reports that he was maybe I 188 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: don't know the correct term, but a little learning disabled 189 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: or something to that effect. 190 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: Right, that he had lower intelligence. That's a very important 191 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: point too for this story. So Mona and her husband 192 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: promised to help this politician Moslaan by giving him a 193 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: talisman consisting of a cane and spot me headgear. The headgear, 194 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: they said, was supposedly owned once upon a time by 195 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: former Indonesian President Sukarno, who is tremendously important in the 196 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: history of Indonesia, is involved with the struggle for independence, 197 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: and he was the actual first president of Indonesia as 198 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: an independent country. So a very powerful person, kind of 199 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: a George Washington figure. 200 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're saying that these talismans were owned by 201 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: this powerful person, and if we give them to you, 202 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: it's also going to imbue you with some powers exactly. 203 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: So they convinced him, they said, not only will you 204 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: be a more powerful and favored politician, you will be invincible. Yes, 205 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: when you physically hold this. 206 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: Objects invincible and you know, to get that kind of 207 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: power if you truly believe it could be incredible. And 208 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: in return for this power, they demanded that Moslin pay 209 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: them two point five million ring itt or RM. That's 210 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: just the currency there in Malaysia at the time, and 211 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 3: that is equal to at least in two thousand and 212 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: one dollars, because that's the last time we saw it 213 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: actually switched over. It was around six hundred and fifty 214 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: eight thousand dollars. 215 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: So that might vary a little bit because this is 216 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: back in the early nineties, but that's a good ballpark, right, 217 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: So more than half a million dollars US. He paid 218 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: them five hundred thousand ring as a deposit, and then 219 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: he wanted to give them a guarantee so that they 220 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: knew he wouldn't just vanish. Well, they probably demanded it, 221 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 1: so he gave them ten land titles to hold on 222 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: to and that would cover the remaining two million. 223 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: That's an incredible amount of money and land to give 224 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: to something that may or may not be true. You 225 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: have to believe that this politician believes so deeply in 226 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: this that he was willing to give up all of that. 227 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: And here's what happened next. They made an appointment for 228 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: these cleansing rituals to be performed at the Fandy household. 229 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: Maslam visited the couple's house in uludung Rob for what 230 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: was called a Mandibunga ceremony, a ritual flower bath. Maslim 231 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: was told to lie on the ground face up. Mona 232 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: placed flower hours around him and on him. Ritualistically, she 233 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: told Moslan to close his eyes and wait for the 234 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: money to fall from the sky. He did close his eyes. 235 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: But flowers weren't the only thing that fell down upon him. 236 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's stay in this moment for a second. What 237 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: do you think he's expecting to happen. 238 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: He's given them riches, he's given them land. All he's 239 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: asking for in return is this ritual and this talisman. 240 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: And you know he will be invincible, he'll be ready 241 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: to go. But that's not what happens. Instead, an axe 242 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: falls down upon his neck and he is killed. 243 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: He is decapitated, and decapitation is a gruesome, strange way 244 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: to die. Studies show that the brain and the attached 245 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: sensory organs are still functioning for some time. So decapitation 246 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: is one of those few one of those few forms 247 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: of death where you can be physically removed from the 248 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: rest of your body and see your headless corpse on 249 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: your way out. Yeah, but of course you'll probably be 250 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: in such shock and so panicked that you won't really 251 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: calmly observe that the assistant is the one. Drami Hassan 252 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: is the one who is believed to have played the 253 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: headsman and separated Maslim from his body. 254 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 3: At least that's according to reports we've read, and it 255 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: came out in part of the trial that will learn 256 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: about here in a moment. 257 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: They didn't stop there, though, did they met no. 258 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: It then proceeded to dismember Maslin fully. They cut him 259 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: up into eighteen different parts. They also skinned part of 260 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: Maslin's body, and later on they discovered those eighteen parts 261 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: buried in a storeroom underneath the ground your Mona's house 262 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: in Penang. It was underneath this concrete slab, essentially right. 263 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: And another big thing here is that they didn't find 264 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 3: all of him. There were parts of him missing. 265 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: And no one knows what happened to those parts. 266 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: But the rumors, of course you could imagine, are that 267 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: those parts were. 268 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: Consumed by the three people, or at the very least 269 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: used in ritual. It's a bit strange for the neighborhood 270 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: hippie to engage in such behavior. But you see, Mona Fandy, 271 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: her husband and their assistant were not your friendly neighborhood herbalist. 272 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: They were a different kind of Bomo will examine this 273 00:17:51,440 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor return Bomo b Omoh. 274 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: This term often gets mistranslated in the West. It's something 275 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: that you and I have run into before and people 276 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: will say, oh, bomo means you know, medicine man or 277 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: the more offensive witch doctor. Right yeah. However, at its heart, 278 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: the term bomo describes a shaman. Indonesian speakers often describe 279 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: this profession with the term ducan d u k u n. 280 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: Bomo are mainly herbalist and healers, but the practice of 281 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: magic is inseparable from these medicinal pursuits. Thus a bomo 282 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: is also a geomancer, or times a sorcerer. In Malaysian culture, 283 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: most bomo are what we would call bomo pute p 284 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: u tih white bomo. This is the equivalent of the 285 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: right hand path in Western magic systems, someone who helps 286 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: other people while also obeying the dictates of shamanic tradition 287 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: and at the same time straddling the tenets of Islam 288 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: because this is a heavily Muslim population. 289 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: But that is not the path that will continue to 290 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 3: call her mona fandy just for the ease of pronunciation 291 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: on our end, It was not the path that she 292 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 3: chose as well as her husband and the assistant. She 293 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: was instead a bomo hitam or hitam or black bomo. 294 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: Now that's a different, a different path here, the other path, 295 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 3: the forbidden path. Right, who are going to be working 296 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: with things like spirits that are not necessarily supposed to 297 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: be interacted with. They will look at the laws that 298 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: are put forth in whatever religion is current or popular 299 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: wherever this magic is being done, in this case, Islam, 300 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: and they will see those laws as something that are 301 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: not meant to be followed or are meant to be flouted. 302 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: Right. The idea being that working around these laws, these 303 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: moral and magical and social laws, will allow you influence 304 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: and power that would ordinarily be out of your reach. 305 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: Bomo hittam and that's hi tam are supposed to be 306 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: the sorts of monsters you would see in horror movies, 307 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Not in real life. To 308 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: call someone bomo hitam would be very, very offensive because 309 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: it's essentially the same thing as calling a doctor or 310 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: a life saving surgeon, a butcher or a serial killer. 311 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: It's the opposite of what bomo are supposed to be doing. However, 312 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: that's what the Mona Fandi group appeared to be, at 313 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: least in the media when this story it hit big. 314 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: So they did this ritual realistically, killed dimember probably used 315 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: to some degree the body of Maslin and other rituals, 316 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: and they might have gotten away with it. Maslim was 317 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: not reported missing until July second, nineteen ninety three, after 318 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: withdrawing three hundred thousand ring it from a bank and 319 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: directly after the murder, Mona Fandi was reported to have 320 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,239 Speaker 1: gone on a shopping spree. She didn't just buy, you know, 321 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: colorful clothing or jewelry or so, she went big. She 322 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: bought a Mercedes Benz. She bought a facelift. I didn't 323 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: know you could just do that, You could just buy 324 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: a facelift. 325 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange and one of the most 326 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 3: odd things here is the timeline, because it is reported 327 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: that he went missing on July second, and it was 328 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 3: immediately after he withdrew a large amount of money. He 329 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 3: did not withdraw five hundred thousand ring it right like 330 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 3: it was originally reported early on, or at least that 331 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 3: was the deal. I guess, so he at least could 332 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: withdraw three hundred thousand, assuming it was him that withdrew 333 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 3: it on that day before he went missing, and then 334 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: paid them. So he paid them money. 335 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, just not all of it. Not long after 336 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: Moslan's murder, the assistant Jami Hassan was picked up for 337 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: a drug offense. He was under the influence of these drugs, 338 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: and this this country with harsh drug laws. While he 339 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: was under the influence of these drugs and speaking with 340 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: the police, he confessed to them that he had been 341 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: involved in the murder of a politician, an up and 342 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: coming politician. 343 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: Now that you know, that's one of those things where 344 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 3: you're dealing with somebody who may not be you know, 345 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: of the highest intelligence, who was also perhaps high on 346 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: a substance, who was being pressed, you know, by by 347 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 3: an interrogators. Then he admits to you know, these police 348 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: officers that he had something to do with it, and 349 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: it may not have held much sand, but if he 350 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 3: hadn't had led them. He is the person that actually 351 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 3: led the police to where the body was. 352 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: Buried under that concrete slab. Not long after, the couple 353 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: was arrested fanding her husband because Hassan it was on 354 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: her property. And then also Hassan openly said that they 355 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: did this, they committed this murder together, and then the 356 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: circus began. It was in a way, it was reminiscent 357 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: of how American culture treats the infamous murderers and the 358 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: depraved right, they get a lot of attention. There are celebrities. 359 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: For a time, Mona Fandi, as a murder suspect, gained 360 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: far more fame and celebrity and public recognition than she 361 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: ever did as a pop singer. And if all she 362 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: wanted to do was to be famous, this strikes me 363 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: as one of those one of those infernal deals you 364 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: hear about in folklore. Yeah, right, where the wording is 365 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: very important. Make a sacrifice to me, says some powerful 366 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: entity or spirit, and I shall give you that which 367 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: you desire. And then they said, we will make these sacrifices. 368 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: We will obey the rules of this ritual. Make me famous, Yeah, 369 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: make me famous. 370 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: Carry it should they carry it out, and they sure 371 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: as heck do get famous. 372 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: It's strange. It's interesting when you think about it. Right now, 373 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: we don't have we don't have any primary source for 374 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: that kind of conversation, just like we don't have any 375 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: source for what happened to the rest of Malaslan's body parts, 376 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: Nor do we have a source for what Mona and 377 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: her husband and their assistant talked about her personally believed and. 378 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: We also don't know exactly the circumstances, at least Moslin's 379 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: side of giving them all of this money for these things, 380 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: as well as giving them the land titles, because there 381 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: we'll talk about it towards the end there. But it 382 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: may have been something else going on entirely that didn't 383 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: even occur in the trial, and that would this It 384 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 3: would just be me speculating. But I think I have 385 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: I have a hypothesis. 386 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: I would love to hear this. I'm very curious. Let's 387 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: let's explore the trial so in a way, in a 388 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: very dark way, Mona Fandy finally gets her wish, and 389 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: she seems to be enjoying this new uh social position, 390 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: somewhere between fascinating and shunned and vilified. Rightly so, throughout 391 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: the trial, Mona Fandy exhibits strange, incongruous behaviors. She is 392 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: always cheerful, she's constantly smiling, mugging for the camera, posing 393 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: for the press. She's dressing extravagantly with bright, colorful designs, 394 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: and she's got a new banging outfit every day. Why then, 395 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: did they murder this politicis we have a we have 396 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: one guess from another Bomo, a self styled king of 397 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: the Bomo, Ibrahim matt Zin, and he said that Fandy 398 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: and her associates used their shamanistic knowledge for evil, because 399 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: Fandy was consumed by the idea of gain, of getting vengeance, 400 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,919 Speaker 1: because Fandy was consumed by the idea of revenge that 401 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: the politician Maslin had made and broken multiple promises, and 402 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: she said, we will, we will have vengeance. We should 403 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: also point out that Ibrahim matt Zen is not the 404 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: most ironclad source. He gained the most notoriety in his 405 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: home country and in the Western news for a series 406 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: of rituals he conducted in an effort to help locate 407 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: the missing Malaysian Airlines plane MG three seventy, which we 408 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: had talked about before. He was not successful with this, 409 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: but later he recanted on what he was saying because 410 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: he he apologized. He said, I'm no longer king of 411 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: the Bomo. These rituals I was doing. I was just 412 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: doing what they told me to do. And he said 413 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: that some of the things he had done, like using 414 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: bamboo binoculars in a fish trap hook to help locate 415 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: the aircraft, said, you know, I was peering through these 416 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: band and really see anything geez. So he may not 417 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: be the best source, but he was also a bomo 418 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: and he so he'd be one of the most famous, 419 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, he remarked on this trial. So here's what 420 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: they found, and it's very strange. The dates are confusing. 421 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: The court found that the murder occurred sometime between ten 422 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: pm and midnight on July eighteenth, nineteen ninety three. 423 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: That's weird, yeah, because they you know, he was reported 424 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 3: miss on the second of that month, so what happened 425 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 3: sixteen days later? They think that's when he was killed. Now, 426 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go ahead and bring it up. This 427 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: is where my hypothesis comes in. I think if he 428 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 3: truly was missing from at least the second, we can 429 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 3: maybe assume even the first or the last of the 430 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 3: previous month, because it, you know, generally takes that long 431 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 3: to declare someone missing, and he took money out on 432 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: the second. I think he must have been held captive 433 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 3: there because in my mind, you don't, you know, have 434 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: someone go missing the day that they pay you three 435 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 3: hundred ring it, then hang around your house for several days, 436 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: let's say sixteen days in this case, then do a ritual. 437 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 4: Was a multi day ritual maybe sixteen days though, and 438 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 4: if it's a multi day ritual, and then the way 439 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 4: it's discribed in every report that I've seen of this, 440 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 4: it's that it was a very fast thing. 441 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: He was having the flower pedal ritual occurred, and then 442 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 3: he got his head chopped off. To me, this seems 443 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: like they were holding him captive. 444 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: I see. They were tried in court by a seven 445 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: person jury, this was before trial by jury was abolished 446 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: in the country, and the High Court found all three 447 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: of them guilty, sentenced them to death by hanging, and 448 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: the legal representatives for Hassan the assistant, argued that he 449 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: couldn't essentially be tried as an adult due to his 450 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: limited mental capacity and that our source for these ideas 451 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: about his cognitive difficulties do all come from that lawyer. 452 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: So the trial goes on until nineteen ninety five, at 453 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: which point the High Court finds all three defendants guilty 454 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: and sentences to death. The method of death is hanging, 455 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: hanging by the neck until dead. 456 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it feels old school like it's a British 457 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 3: knot tied to basically a pole that's running above a 458 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: floor that drops down. 459 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: And mona Fandi, as well as her husband and their assistant, 460 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: seemed to take the news in stride. This was bizarre. 461 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: She did not stop smiling. She's a brave public face. 462 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: She thanked the court and the Malaysian people immediately after 463 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 3: the guilty verdicts. 464 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Yep, that is true, and we know that they did 465 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: exercise some emotion in the intervening time because they filed appeals. 466 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: There was an appeal system here, so the sentence was 467 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: not actually carried out for a number of years. 468 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for quite a while. They continued through all 469 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: of the possible appeals processes. 470 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: Which of course you would do if your life was 471 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: on the line. 472 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 473 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, the court dismissed all their appeals 474 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: upheld the previous death sentence, and so it came to 475 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: pass that November two thousand and one, all three were hanged. 476 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: A prison official said the three people expressed zero remorse 477 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: at the execution that took place in the early hours 478 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: of the day. 479 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it says. You know, you'll see reports that say 480 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: they met up with their families. They were allowed eight 481 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: hours or so to meet up with their families prior 482 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 3: to being killed. The you'll also find it reported that 483 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: they ate KFC as a last meal, and then simultaneously 484 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 3: you'll see it reported that they chose not to eat 485 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: a last meal. 486 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: Right. And part of this, part of the divergent reporting 487 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: here comes about from muckraking journalism, you know, or sensationalism, 488 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: I guess, sure well. 489 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 3: And there's also the problem of translation, and it occurring 490 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 3: so long ago, right before the Internet was so available, 491 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: with so many sources. 492 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: This leads us to one thing that has been reported 493 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: in multiple sources and is chilling. So Mona Fandy seems calm. 494 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps she has resigned herself to this grizzly end, or 495 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: perhaps she knows something. I think she knows something that 496 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: other people do not. During her execution, while she was 497 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: calm and smiling under her hood, she uttered her final 498 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: words aku ta khan mati in English. That means I 499 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: will never die. 500 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 3: Spooky stuff, certainly, And in a way, she's right. We 501 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 3: played you that music of her voice. It's still around. 502 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: She didn't fully die. Her corporeal body is gone, but 503 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 3: she lives on. 504 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: Let's play another clip from that's song and see if 505 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: your experience of this music changes. Knowing what you will 506 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: know now. 507 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 3: Well, There's one thing for certain. As we mentioned before, 508 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 3: parts of this politician Maslin's body were never found. We 509 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 3: will never know exactly what was done with those because 510 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 3: the only people who do know are now in their graves. 511 00:33:53,960 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: True. This case also led for national calls to outlaw witchcraft. 512 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: That's a difficult thing to enforce. What is how do 513 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: we define witchcraft? Right? How do we separate that from 514 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: traditional religious beliefs? 515 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 3: It was? Yeah, I mean that's a strange thing. It's 516 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 3: always going to be a strange thing. 517 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 1: I think, very blurry line. 518 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 3: We also know that this was one of the last 519 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 3: jury trials in Malaysia because they stopped using trials by jury. 520 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: Yep. It also led to a controversial film loosely based 521 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: on these events, film called Ducan, which, as you recall, 522 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: is the earlier sided Indonesian word described in Bomo. The 523 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: film was completed I think around two thousand and six, 524 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,800 Speaker 1: and it was banned from release for eleven years because 525 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: of the controversy surrounding it. 526 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 3: And then Facebook leaked it. Somebody on Facebook leaked the 527 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 3: entire movie. 528 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen. That's how I got out. Yeah, ah, 529 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: and then it after it got out, after the demons 530 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: were out of Pandora's jar. The film went on to 531 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: be quite successful. 532 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they decided, well, I guess we can release this. 533 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 3: And you know it is base it's you said, loosely based, 534 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 3: like so loosely based, but it is about a bomo 535 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 3: hiton of sorts doing some pretty intense things, including you know, 536 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 3: a murder. But this time it's spoiler alert with a sword. 537 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: Right. Ducan is probably best described as a a legal 538 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: thriller slash horror. 539 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 3: Right, Oh yeah, sure very The trailer looks cool. 540 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: The trailer does look cool. So at this point we 541 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: run into a couple of a couple of questions, and 542 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: these are questions that we would like to give to you. 543 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: We want to hear your take on this. First, what 544 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: do you think about the practice? This goes back to 545 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: our idea of the serial killer merchandise people. What do 546 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: you think about the practice making films based on these 547 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: events and profiting from them? Is it ethical? Is it 548 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: a big deal? Not a big deal? And what do 549 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: you think about this, this strange, sordid, grizzly tale. Was 550 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: their actual magic involved or was this all just window dressing? 551 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: So much ornamentation for a human all too real, all 552 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: to mundane con job and murder? 553 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? And also why why do you think even after 554 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: they got paid, that they decided to kill this person? 555 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 3: That is perplexing to me. It seems to me that 556 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: if what they are saying is true and their story 557 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 3: checks out, they could have builked him for so much 558 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 3: more money if he was willing to pay that much 559 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: to them. 560 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: And what if it was a case of accident. What 561 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: if Hassan was meant to like ritualistically to send the 562 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: acts and in some way avoid harming the guy so 563 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: that he believes he's invulnerable. I mean, that's what you 564 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: would do in a con job, right ooh? 565 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 3: Or yeah, dude, you're so right? And maybe he just 566 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 3: actually did it, or what if they all really believed it? 567 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: Or what if they all really believed it? 568 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 3: Whoa? 569 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: So what do you think? One of the fascinating things 570 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: about this sort of story is that there are multiple 571 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: stories or in recent years, concerning this sort of interaction 572 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: between magic and true crime. You know, we've heard of 573 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever did a full episode 574 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: under this. Who heard of the practice in some countries 575 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: of abducting and dismembering people suffering from albutism, right, so 576 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: we want to hear your stories. Is there anything like 577 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: this that's occurred in your country or your part of 578 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 1: the world. The US is not immune to this. By 579 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: the way, True Detective Season one HBO series is based 580 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 1: on a very real, very real Satanic conspiracy that occurred 581 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: in a church in the South. It's a true story, 582 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: and Nick Pisolado did base a lot of True Detective 583 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 1: on it, no matter what he said at the beginning. 584 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, except for that whole part with 585 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: the I don't know, multi dimensional monster guy like whatever 586 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 3: he was, who knows about that? The King and Yellow Yeah, 587 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 3: that dude, I still want him to explain to me. 588 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: The shot in the last episode of season one, Well, 589 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 3: maybe I'll just talk to him about I don't want 590 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 3: to spoil it for anybody who may have not seen 591 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 3: the entire thing. 592 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: Spoiler warning after this moment there are spoilers three two one. 593 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 3: So the shot where they're trying to follow him down 594 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 3: this maze, do you remember at the very end the climax, 595 00:38:54,840 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 3: Essentially they're following the Yellow King through his essentially into 596 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 3: this other world that he's created and his underworld. 597 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: To the old the old what seemed tostensibly be a 598 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: pirate for it or something. 599 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. And then I believe one 600 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 3: of one or both of the detectives look up at 601 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 3: the ceiling. I'm just Gonnam looking at police if he 602 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 3: remembers this, and it becomes a shot of basically the 603 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 3: universe or the galaxies or something. 604 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: Or familiar night sky. 605 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. But they're inside, you know, a location somewhere, and 606 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 3: they're looking up and seeing this, and it gives you 607 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 3: this feeling of maybe this is a multi dimensional situation. 608 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 3: Maybe they went through some kind of portal to get 609 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 3: somewhere else. I don't understand what's happening. And then they 610 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 3: fight with this guy who seems to have superhuman powers, 611 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 3: and then it's over. 612 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: This is okay, this is interesting. This may be a 613 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: bit of a tangent, but it is established during the 614 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: show the rust Coal, the one who sees glimpses of 615 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: this other universe, suffer from, or leverages at least hallucinations visions. Right, yeah, 616 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: so he's already prone to doing that kind of thing. 617 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: I read a very interesting theory that I do not 618 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,399 Speaker 1: completely agree with, which is that the Yellow King is 619 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 1: the king in yellow is some sort of non corporeal entity, 620 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: and that by killing the scard Man, the spaghetti faced guy, 621 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: Russ Cole, when he sees this multi dimensional thing just 622 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: before he opens, he essentially becomes possessed by this entity. 623 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: And that's why at the very end, when Woody Harrelson's 624 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,399 Speaker 1: character is talking to him and wants to tell him 625 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: more about you know what's gonna happen and you know 626 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: new leads the cauld follow that's why Cole immediately dismisses 627 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 1: it and is calm and serene as they get wheeled out. 628 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think it is really 629 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: cool and I love a dose of cosmic horror me too. 630 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 3: I was so excited when it happened, and I thought 631 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 3: we were gonna get at or a little more something, 632 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 3: or at least an extra piece of it, like confirming, 633 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 3: well confirming at least that it was mystical in some way. 634 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 3: But then it was just like, well, all, all's good, 635 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 3: see see you later. Let's get out of this hospital. 636 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: Right right. And I have I have sort of my 637 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: own origin story about the cult that I would love 638 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: to talk talk with you guys with, maybe over a 639 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: beer or something. We can have an episode of Beers 640 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy. 641 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, Beers where it gets crazy. And can we write 642 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 3: a prequel? Why not where it's it's you and me 643 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 3: and Paul and Nole and everybody else listening. We're all 644 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 3: just trying to find out who the Orange Duke is. 645 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 1: Let's give it a shot. Let's give it a shot, 646 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,399 Speaker 1: and we can just send it to Nick Bisilano as 647 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: a as a fan piece. 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