WEBVTT - Founding Son: Episode 1 - The Corrupt Bargain

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bob Crawford. This is founding son John Quincy's America.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a town in Massachusetts, just outside of Boston called Quincy.

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<v Speaker 1>In that town you'll find a home called Peacefield. And

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<v Speaker 1>in that house you'll find a clock. It's a clock

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<v Speaker 1>that belonged to John Adams, our second president, one of

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<v Speaker 1>our founders. It still works today, marking the seconds and hours,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred years after his death. I like to imagine

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<v Speaker 1>John and his wife Abigail, sitting in their parlor hearing

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<v Speaker 1>it tick as they talked about the nation they helped create.

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<v Speaker 1>What would they have said about it? I like to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine their son, John Quincy Adams, greeted by its steady

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<v Speaker 1>beat when he returned home from Washington for his father's funeral.

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<v Speaker 1>John Quincy was President of the United States when his

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<v Speaker 1>father died. Like his father before him, he reached the

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<v Speaker 1>pinnacle of political success. Yet he never escaped the long

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<v Speaker 1>shadow cast by the founding father, John Adams. John Quincy

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<v Speaker 1>Adams would not be remembered as a national hero no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what he did, how hard he tried, or how

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<v Speaker 1>much time he had. By many accounts, John Quincy Adams

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished just as much even more than his father, beginning

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<v Speaker 1>with his education in staycraft at just ten years old,

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<v Speaker 1>following his dad on diplomatic missions to France during the

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<v Speaker 1>height of the American Revolution. In life, facing down Southern

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<v Speaker 1>politicians who held Congress in a chokehold, John Quincy Adams

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<v Speaker 1>was the only president elected to the House of Representatives

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<v Speaker 1>after leaving office. You could argue that he did more

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<v Speaker 1>for this nation in his nearly two decades as a

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<v Speaker 1>congressman than he did as President, thrusting the issue of

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<v Speaker 1>slavery to the center of political debate when Southern politicians

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to silence the very discussion of it. The slave ocracy,

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<v Speaker 1>as John Quincy called it, had to be stopped. The

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<v Speaker 1>slavery the snake coiled under the table when the Constitution

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<v Speaker 1>was drafted, was unfurled and slithering into our culture and

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<v Speaker 1>our laws. The head of the snake needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>lopped clean off. John Quincy never gave up the fight,

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately collapsing at his desk in the US Capitol and

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<v Speaker 1>dying on the job, paving the way for Abraham Lincoln

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<v Speaker 1>and the next generation of lawmakers and activists to finally

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<v Speaker 1>end human bondage in America. He was the right man

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<v Speaker 1>for his time, a bridge that linked the founding of

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<v Speaker 1>our nation to the war that freed its enslaved citizens

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<v Speaker 1>and preserve the union. His war was not against tyranny

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<v Speaker 1>like his father's, but a war for the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>the fledgling nation, a nation being pulled apart as a

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<v Speaker 1>new generation took the reins. This is what led me

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<v Speaker 1>to tell the story of John Quincy Adams, a man

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<v Speaker 1>whose story is just as relevant today as it was

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred years ago. Some of you know me as

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<v Speaker 1>a musician. I'm the basis for the Avett Brothers, and

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<v Speaker 1>as a musician, I spent a lot of time on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. I fill that time by reading mostly biographies

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<v Speaker 1>in American history. Some of you who know me well

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<v Speaker 1>know I also host a historical podcast called The to Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of all the figures in American history who have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the annals of time, John Quincy Adams tops

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<v Speaker 1>my list. Can you name one of his accomplishments. He

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<v Speaker 1>fought to protect American democracy and build the nation while

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<v Speaker 1>others sought to infiltrate the government and tear it down

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<v Speaker 1>from the inside. He fought for the Constitution and American

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<v Speaker 1>ideals putting the nation above any political party, even his own.

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<v Speaker 1>A true maverick, a poet, a public servant, a president.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Bob Crawford, and this is founding son John Quincy's America,

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter one, The Corrupt Bargain. In the late fall of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty four, votes were still being counted in America's

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<v Speaker 1>tenth presidential election. James Monroe was about to leave office.

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<v Speaker 1>His secretary of State, John Quincy Adams, won in the gig.

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<v Speaker 1>He was itching for it, so John Quincy threw his

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<v Speaker 1>hat in the ring. Do you think that in some

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<v Speaker 1>way inside, John Quincy Adams felt like the presidency was

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<v Speaker 1>his birthright. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was really because he had some

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<v Speaker 2>notion of hereditary succession.

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<v Speaker 1>That's John Quincy Adams biographer James Traub.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more because he was brought up by

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<v Speaker 2>his parents to see serving this infant republic, which became

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<v Speaker 2>a republic, it became a free nation while he was

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<v Speaker 2>a boy as the highest good.

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<v Speaker 1>By eighteen twenty four, one of the two original political parties,

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<v Speaker 1>the Federalist disintegrated, leaving really only one party, the Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>Republican Party. Since every candidate was technically a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the same party. This period became known as the Era

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<v Speaker 1>of Good Feelings. Despite the name, there was plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>factionalism and discord. The four way race to replace Monroe

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<v Speaker 1>devolved into an all out brawl. Adams was facing off

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<v Speaker 1>against the crowded field. And I don't want this to

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<v Speaker 1>get too confusing for you, so let me break it down.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the candidates. William Crawford no relation, a Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>statesman and Monroe's Secretary of the Treasury. Henry Clay, a

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<v Speaker 1>season lawmaker from Kentucky who is ambitious as it gets

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see later. But his most potent challenger was Andrew Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>a US senator and former general from Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Jackson was an adventurer. He was not just a

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<v Speaker 2>military figure. He was a military figure who almost could

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<v Speaker 2>not be restrained. He famously fought a war against first

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<v Speaker 2>the Spanish and then the Indians, which was really brutal,

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<v Speaker 2>and famously executed two British citizens who he said were

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<v Speaker 2>agents on a drumhead. That is to say, he had

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<v Speaker 2>his own impromptu court and hanged them. He was an

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<v Speaker 2>ungovernable figure.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a single word or a sentence you would

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<v Speaker 1>use to describe.

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<v Speaker 3>Andrew Jackson probably not a very nice one.

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<v Speaker 1>Presidential historian Lindsay Schervinsky picks it up from there.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time that he died, he owned one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty enslaved people, which was a huge estate, and

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<v Speaker 3>so he presented himself as this man of the people,

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<v Speaker 3>but actually was incredibly wealthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson did not back down from a fight. For many

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<v Speaker 1>Southerners at the time, dueling was a common way of life,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jackson had a number of them under his belt.

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<v Speaker 3>The concept of honor and honor culture some feels a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit foreign to us, but it was essential at

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<v Speaker 3>that point because your reputation and your honor was what

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<v Speaker 3>made possible business arrangements, business deals, whether or not you

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<v Speaker 3>could get credit, what families you were able to socialize

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<v Speaker 3>with or marry into, and so it was really important

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<v Speaker 3>to people, and there was this sense that you had

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<v Speaker 3>to defend it, even up through violence, and so dueling

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<v Speaker 3>was a very complex system, and most duels actually were

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<v Speaker 3>not violent, and so Andrew Jackson himself had been in

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<v Speaker 3>several duels where they agreed to either walk away or

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<v Speaker 3>they agreed to fire into the sky. So while fans

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<v Speaker 3>of Hamilton may know that that duel was fatal, most

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<v Speaker 3>were not. Now, some that Andrew Jackson were in were violent.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen oh six, Jackson killed a man in a duel,

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<v Speaker 1>and in another one Jackson took a bullet to the shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>In the election of eighteen twenty four, all bets were

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<v Speaker 1>on Jackson to win. He was a war hero, a firebrand,

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<v Speaker 1>riding a populist wave. More states were joining the Union

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, bringing new voters to each election, and Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>being a tough talking Southerner, was popular with these voters.

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<v Speaker 1>He promised to wrestle federal government control from New England

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<v Speaker 1>and East Coast elites and put it in the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of the people. Whether it was true or not, he

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<v Speaker 1>was seen as one of them, a common man empowering

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<v Speaker 1>the common man.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of states started to amend their suffrage laws,

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<v Speaker 3>meaning more people had the right to vote. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>at this time it still really only applied to white men,

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<v Speaker 3>but a lot of states dropped the property requirements, so

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<v Speaker 3>even if you were not a landholder, you could still vote,

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<v Speaker 3>which meant that what we might think of as more

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<v Speaker 3>sort of radical voters started to have a voice in

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<v Speaker 3>this process.

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<v Speaker 1>Establishment politicians like Clan Adams feared Jackson, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what he would do as president.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't know if he would work to undermine these

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<v Speaker 3>institutions that they felt were really essential to long term success.

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<v Speaker 3>And there was a lingering sense, and this had been

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<v Speaker 3>an inheritance from the founding generation, that populism or mob

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<v Speaker 3>control would lead to anarchy, and so they weren't sure

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<v Speaker 3>if you gave the people too much power what they

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<v Speaker 3>would do with it, if they would tear down the

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<v Speaker 3>entire system.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were a voter in eighteen twenty four, Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>was the wild card and Adams was the safe bet.

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<v Speaker 1>He promised to unite the nation, and he was by

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<v Speaker 1>far the most qualified to be president.

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<v Speaker 2>In John Quincy Adams's day, the presidency was almost a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that you succeeded to by right, that is to say,

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<v Speaker 2>you earned your way to it by conspicuous public service.

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<v Speaker 2>Adams had been a diplomat from the age of twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Really he became America's senior diplomat while he was still

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<v Speaker 2>in his thirties.

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<v Speaker 3>He had been the Secretary of State for eight years

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<v Speaker 3>and had an incredible tenure, got some really major treaties

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<v Speaker 3>passed that were essential to the United States future, as

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<v Speaker 3>well as the articulation of the Monroe Doctrine, and was

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<v Speaker 3>I think one of the best secretaries of State we've

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<v Speaker 3>ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until eighteen twenty four. Being secretary of State was

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<v Speaker 1>like being president in waiting. In the short life of

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<v Speaker 1>the Republic, three former secretaries of State were elected President,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe. Now Adams was up.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's coming into this position thinking, surely, hit some

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<v Speaker 3>my turn. Surely the American people will select me and

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<v Speaker 3>recognize these credentials.

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<v Speaker 1>As he waited for the election. In the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty four, Adams returned to Quincy to visit his

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<v Speaker 1>aging father, the ex president. Pondering his fate, he walked

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<v Speaker 1>through the family graveyard, visiting his sister Nabby, who had

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<v Speaker 1>died from breast cancer. As he paced, perhaps the words

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<v Speaker 1>of his father rang in his ear. If you do

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<v Speaker 1>not rise to the head not only of your profession,

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<v Speaker 1>but of your country, it will be owing to your

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<v Speaker 1>own laziness, slovenliness, and obstinacy. Adams also stopped at the

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<v Speaker 1>grave of his great great grandfather, Henry Adams, who came

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<v Speaker 1>over from England nearly two centuries.

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<v Speaker 4>Before last another century, we shall all be moldering in

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<v Speaker 4>the same dust, or resolved in the same elements. You, then,

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<v Speaker 4>of our posterity, shall visit this yard. What shall he

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<v Speaker 4>read engraved upon the stones? This is known only to

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<v Speaker 4>the creator of all The record may be longer, may

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<v Speaker 4>be of as blameless lives.

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<v Speaker 1>When the election got under weigh in October, John Quincy's

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety only got worse. What if all this experience, his

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<v Speaker 1>diplomatic skills, his knowledge, What if it wasn't enough to

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<v Speaker 1>rise above the anger and resentment the war hero General

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson stoked in the minds of voters, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think was going through John Quincy Adam's head while the

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<v Speaker 1>votes were being counted?

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<v Speaker 3>He so desperately doesn't want to care, and yet cares

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<v Speaker 3>so much, And he sort of detested himself for wanting

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<v Speaker 3>it so badly.

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<v Speaker 1>When the votes were finally tallied, US Secretary of War

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<v Speaker 1>John C. Calhoun won a clear majority to become vice president.

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<v Speaker 1>In the presidential race, Jackson was the clear front runner,

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<v Speaker 1>but the four way race split the vote so much

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<v Speaker 1>that no single candidate won a majority of votes or electors.

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<v Speaker 3>Under the rules of the current system, the top three candidates.

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<v Speaker 3>If there was no majority, which there was not, the

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<v Speaker 3>top three candidates would go to the House, and the

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<v Speaker 3>House of Representatives would be in charge of then basically

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<v Speaker 3>selecting the next president.

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<v Speaker 1>For the second time in America's short history, the House

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<v Speaker 1>of Representatives would decide who would become the next president.

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<v Speaker 1>If that sounds like a complicated and contentious way to

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<v Speaker 1>decide an election, it is not to mention the House

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<v Speaker 1>of Representatives circa eighteen twenty four wasn't exactly like we

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<v Speaker 1>see these days on c SPAN.

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<v Speaker 3>The House was really quite calamitous. So there's a great

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<v Speaker 3>book by Joanne Freeman that talks about the violence in

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<v Speaker 3>the House of Representatives leading up to the Civil War

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<v Speaker 3>called The Field of Blood, and it talks about how

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<v Speaker 3>the House chambers the floor was covered with straw because

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of congressmen wouldn't bother to spit their tobacco

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<v Speaker 3>juices into tins, and so the entire floor was just disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people would kind of be coming in

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<v Speaker 3>and out of the chambers. They would be taking naps

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<v Speaker 3>at their desk. There was often regular threats of violence,

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<v Speaker 3>so this was not a particularly esteemed branch of government

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The House scheduled the vote to decide the election for

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<v Speaker 1>early February. Henry Clay was automatically eliminated because he got

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<v Speaker 1>the fewest votes. But Clay wasn't the type of guy

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<v Speaker 1>to sit on the sidelines. He threw his support in

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<v Speaker 1>all his political capital behind Adams.

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<v Speaker 2>Clay admired Adams. They were radically different people. Clay was

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<v Speaker 2>a Westerner and a card player, and a drinker and

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<v Speaker 2>a carouser, and I'm sure he was the world's most

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<v Speaker 2>charming person. We would have loved him if we met him.

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<v Speaker 2>Adams was not. Adams was a prickly, bearish New England,

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<v Speaker 2>high principled, high toned federalist.

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<v Speaker 1>Clay and Adams both wanted a strong centralized government. They

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<v Speaker 1>wanted a central bank. They wanted the federal government to

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<v Speaker 1>fund national infrastructure projects to find the east to the

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<v Speaker 1>growing West. And they wanted tariffs to protect northern manufacturers

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<v Speaker 1>from farm products.

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<v Speaker 3>And they didn't know what Jackson would do with all

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<v Speaker 3>of those things. They didn't know if he would be

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<v Speaker 3>pro union or would be just pro Tennessee or pro West.

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<v Speaker 1>Even though they agreed on so much, Clay wasn't always

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of Adams. The two had been political rivals

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<v Speaker 1>when both vied to be Monroe's Secretary of State. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they had a common enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>Clay hated Jackson, maybe because they were both Westerners, and

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<v Speaker 2>he also regarded them as a dangerous figure because he

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<v Speaker 2>was a general, and since Washington, America hadn't elected a

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<v Speaker 2>general as president, so he regarded him as what we

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<v Speaker 2>would now call a man on horseback, like Napoleon.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how Henry Clay put.

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<v Speaker 3>It, I cannot believe that killing twenty five hundred Englishmen

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<v Speaker 3>at New Orleans qualifies for the various, difficult and complicated

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<v Speaker 3>duties of the Chief Magistry. So there was no way

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<v Speaker 3>he was going to support Jackson period. He just could

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<v Speaker 3>not stand him.

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<v Speaker 1>Adams knew that Clay, a congressman from Kentucky, could be

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<v Speaker 1>an ally in the House vote, but he had to

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<v Speaker 1>tread lightly. The two couldn't be seen doing anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>smacked of scheming.

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<v Speaker 2>A complicated dance then ensued. Adams began to meet with

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<v Speaker 2>people who clearly were proxies for Clay, who made it

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<v Speaker 2>clear that if Adams could, and there was always a

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<v Speaker 2>euphemism like treat mister Clay with the respect that he deserves,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody was more specific than that that he would feel

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<v Speaker 2>that it was right to support mister Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>In early January, just weeks before the House would decide

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<v Speaker 1>the election, Clay visited Adams in person for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's how Adams remembered it in his die.

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<v Speaker 2>Clay came to talk to me and we spoke frankly.

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<v Speaker 2>He says of men and events, and he uses the

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<v Speaker 2>expression of prospective events future events. Well, does that mean

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<v Speaker 2>the future event of perhaps John Adams appointing Henry Clay

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<v Speaker 2>as Secretary of State. We don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>The meeting would be one both men would regret for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of their lives. Within days, the partisan press

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<v Speaker 1>and yes it was pretty rancorous, reported that Adams and

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<v Speaker 1>Clay were engaged in a corrupt bargain. They were scheming

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<v Speaker 1>to steal the election from Jackson. In his diary, John

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<v Speaker 1>Quincy feared the tension surrounding the election was growing, spreading

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<v Speaker 1>beyond Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>Letter from Philadelphia threatening organized opposition in civil war if

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<v Speaker 4>Jackson is not chosen. This blustering as an air of desperation,

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<v Speaker 4>but we must meet it.

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson's supporters became convinced that they had been robbed of

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<v Speaker 3>a rightful victory, that there had been election fraud, that

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<v Speaker 3>there was this deep stake ball trying to keep Jackson

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<v Speaker 3>from the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>The fragile unity holding the nation together was on the

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<v Speaker 1>brink of collapse. We'll have more after the break. Dawn

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<v Speaker 1>broke cold and snowy on the February morning the House

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<v Speaker 1>was set to decide the presidency. A long line of people,

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in their finest clothes, brave the weather, camping outside

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<v Speaker 1>the Capitol for hours. Many traveled days to get a

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<v Speaker 1>front row seat for the political spectacle about to unfold.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though this was one of the most intense

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<v Speaker 1>moments of John Quincy Adams's life, he avoided the commotions

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding the vote.

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<v Speaker 3>The way that he dealt with that was to kind

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<v Speaker 3>of ignore it and to try and go about his

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<v Speaker 3>daily business. He was very strict with his physical health regimen,

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<v Speaker 3>so he usually involved either along walk or swimming almost

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<v Speaker 3>every day. He tried to approach it like any other

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<v Speaker 3>day and be in the office and just treat it

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<v Speaker 3>as a matter of state. Of course, that didn't really work,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can all kind of guess where his brain

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<v Speaker 3>probably was. But he tried, He really tried.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't the first time the House decided a presidential election. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody could predict how the vote would go down.

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<v Speaker 3>So the original constitution specified that in presidential elections, each

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<v Speaker 3>elector would cast two votes. One in theory was a

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<v Speaker 3>vote for the president, and one was a vote for

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<v Speaker 3>the vice president. Under that system, however, it remained that

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<v Speaker 3>if there was a tie, or if no one can

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<v Speaker 3>it received a majority of the Electoral College votes, the

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<v Speaker 3>election would go to the House of Representatives, and that

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<v Speaker 3>is what happened in eighteen hundred. The election went to

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<v Speaker 3>the House. It took thirty six ballots for them to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out that Thomas Jefferson would be the third president, thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Six rounds of voting in the House to finally declare

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson president. While the build up to the eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four election was long and arduous, the vote itself

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<v Speaker 1>was simple. There were twenty four states at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>The delegation from each state would cast a single vote

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<v Speaker 1>for either Andrew Jackson, John Quincy Adams or William Crawford,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one really saw Crawford as a threat.

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<v Speaker 3>Crawford was incredibly ill. There was uncertainty whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>he would actually be able to serve out a full term,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's not exactly putting the country on its strongest foot.

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<v Speaker 1>It all came down to a two way race between

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson and Adams to capture an absolute majority of thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>votes to win. Behind the scenes, Henry Clay was whipping

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<v Speaker 1>delegations into the Adams camp, encouraging state delegates who had

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<v Speaker 1>supported him to now vote for Adams.

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky wanted Andrew Jackson to be president, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>the congressional delegation that made that decision, and they chose

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<v Speaker 2>to completely violate the will of the voters and cast

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<v Speaker 2>their vote for Adams. They had become what we would

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<v Speaker 2>nowadays call faithless electors.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where we get the idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>corrupt bargain. James Trupp says that Clay promised Adams the

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<v Speaker 1>support of Kentucky's congressional delegates, even though the state obviously

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<v Speaker 1>supported Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>Once Kentucky had shifted, that began a series of other shifts.

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<v Speaker 2>And so a series of these smaller states, Maryland as well,

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<v Speaker 2>began to swing away from Jackson and towards Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Henry Clay, Adams won thirteen states in the

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<v Speaker 1>first round of voting, a slim majority, but enough to win.

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<v Speaker 1>An old friend and former colleague, Alexander Everett, ran to

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<v Speaker 1>adams home on f Street with the news he won.

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<v Speaker 1>He would become the first son of a president to

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<v Speaker 1>become commander in chief. Later that night, President Monroe held

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<v Speaker 1>a celebration in honor of President elect Adams. All of

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<v Speaker 1>Washington was there.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jackson walks to the door with a lady on

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<v Speaker 2>his arm, and there is Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>As the story goes, the crowd parted as Jackson approached Adams.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knew what he might say or do. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a man with a history of gunning down his rivals.

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<v Speaker 1>A bullet still lies in his shoulder. When Jackson got

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<v Speaker 1>to Adams, he said.

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<v Speaker 5>I give you my left hand for the right, as

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<v Speaker 5>you see, is devoted to the fair. I hope you

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<v Speaker 5>are very well, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>The gentility did not last. Just days after winning the

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<v Speaker 1>House vote and becoming president, Adams nominated Clay, not Jackson,

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<v Speaker 1>to be a Secretary of State.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there was an immediate blowback right away. Jackson's supporters

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<v Speaker 3>started chanting corruption.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson was outraged Clay's ascension to Secretary of State was

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<v Speaker 1>proof that he and Adams had in fact hatched a

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<v Speaker 1>corrupt bargain.

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<v Speaker 5>The Judas of the West has closed the contract and

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<v Speaker 5>will receive the thirty pieces of silver. Was there ever

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<v Speaker 5>witnessed such a bear faced corruption in any country before?

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<v Speaker 2>It created this sense that John Quincy Adams had stolen

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<v Speaker 2>the presidency and Clay was the cynical inst whereby he

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<v Speaker 2>had stolen that presidency, and Clay insisted he'd done nothing wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that we had nothing on his conscience? He says,

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<v Speaker 2>something like these knaves can't even credit true innocence where

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<v Speaker 2>it exists.

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<v Speaker 1>Adams did offer Jackson the War Department, but Jackson had

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<v Speaker 1>no intention of taking the position. He was the rightful president.

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<v Speaker 1>How could he work with the usurper Adams. Stoked by

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<v Speaker 1>fire and fury, jackson supporters geared up for his next

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<v Speaker 1>presidential run in eighteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately they started planning their revenge tour and the reelection

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<v Speaker 3>campaign for Jackson. So what was already a very well

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<v Speaker 3>organized organization became even more so, so they bulked up

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<v Speaker 3>their newspapers. They started to build out their state infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 1>Newspapers ran wild, printing alternative facts claiming Adams stole the election,

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<v Speaker 1>calling him an illegitimate president. The Democratic Republican Party splintered

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<v Speaker 1>in two, laying the foundation for what would become the

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<v Speaker 1>new Democratic Party and sending the nation into a deep

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<v Speaker 1>and lasting division. Before Adams even took the oath of office,

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<v Speaker 1>his presidency was facing unyielding opposition. Jacksonian lawmakers vowed to

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<v Speaker 1>oppose all of Adam's objectives, pledging to make him a

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<v Speaker 1>one term president. On the next episode of Founding Sun.

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<v Speaker 5>It appears we live in evil times when those exalted

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<v Speaker 5>to high, dignified, and honorable stations have abandoned the course

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<v Speaker 5>dictated by truth and honor.

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<v Speaker 2>There were so many reasons why Adams failed as president

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<v Speaker 2>that you almost could remove the legitimacy question and say

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<v Speaker 2>he still would have failed.

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