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Speaker 1: I'm Bob Crawford. This is founding son John Quincy's America.

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Speaker 1: There's a town in Massachusetts, just outside of Boston called Quincy.

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Speaker 1: In that town you'll find a home called Peacefield. And

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Speaker 1: in that house you'll find a clock. It's a clock

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Speaker 1: that belonged to John Adams, our second president, one of

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Speaker 1: our founders. It still works today, marking the seconds and hours,

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Speaker 1: two hundred years after his death. I like to imagine

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Speaker 1: John and his wife Abigail, sitting in their parlor hearing

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Speaker 1: What would they have said about it? I like to

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Speaker 1: imagine their son, John Quincy Adams, greeted by its steady

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Speaker 1: beat when he returned home from Washington for his father's funeral.

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Speaker 1: John Quincy was President of the United States when his

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Speaker 1: father died. Like his father before him, he reached the

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Speaker 1: pinnacle of political success. Yet he never escaped the long

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Speaker 1: shadow cast by the founding father, John Adams. John Quincy

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Speaker 1: Adams would not be remembered as a national hero no

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Speaker 1: matter what he did, how hard he tried, or how

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Speaker 1: much time he had. By many accounts, John Quincy Adams

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Speaker 1: accomplished just as much even more than his father, beginning

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Speaker 1: with his education in staycraft at just ten years old,

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Speaker 1: following his dad on diplomatic missions to France during the

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Speaker 1: height of the American Revolution. In life, facing down Southern

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Speaker 1: politicians who held Congress in a chokehold, John Quincy Adams

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Speaker 1: was the only president elected to the House of Representatives

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Speaker 1: after leaving office. You could argue that he did more

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Speaker 1: congressman than he did as President, thrusting the issue of

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Speaker 1: wanted to silence the very discussion of it. The slave ocracy,

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Speaker 1: as John Quincy called it, had to be stopped. The

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Speaker 1: slavery the snake coiled under the table when the Constitution

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Speaker 1: was drafted, was unfurled and slithering into our culture and

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Speaker 1: our laws. The head of the snake needed to be

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Speaker 1: lopped clean off. John Quincy never gave up the fight,

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Speaker 1: ultimately collapsing at his desk in the US Capitol and

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Speaker 1: dying on the job, paving the way for Abraham Lincoln

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Speaker 1: and the next generation of lawmakers and activists to finally

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Speaker 1: end human bondage in America. He was the right man

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Speaker 1: for his time, a bridge that linked the founding of

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Speaker 1: our nation to the war that freed its enslaved citizens

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Speaker 1: and preserve the union. His war was not against tyranny

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Speaker 1: like his father's, but a war for the direction of

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Speaker 1: the fledgling nation, a nation being pulled apart as a

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Speaker 1: new generation took the reins. This is what led me

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Speaker 1: to tell the story of John Quincy Adams, a man

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Speaker 1: whose story is just as relevant today as it was

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Speaker 1: two hundred years ago. Some of you know me as

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Speaker 1: a musician. I'm the basis for the Avett Brothers, and

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Speaker 1: as a musician, I spent a lot of time on

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Speaker 1: the road. I fill that time by reading mostly biographies

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Speaker 1: in American history. Some of you who know me well

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Speaker 1: know I also host a historical podcast called The to Now.

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Speaker 1: Of all the figures in American history who have gotten

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Speaker 1: lost in the annals of time, John Quincy Adams tops

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Speaker 1: my list. Can you name one of his accomplishments. He

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Speaker 1: others sought to infiltrate the government and tear it down

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Speaker 1: from the inside. He fought for the Constitution and American

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Speaker 1: ideals putting the nation above any political party, even his own.

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Speaker 1: A true maverick, a poet, a public servant, a president.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bob Crawford, and this is founding son John Quincy's America,

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Speaker 1: Chapter one, The Corrupt Bargain. In the late fall of

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Speaker 1: eighteen twenty four, votes were still being counted in America's

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Speaker 1: tenth presidential election. James Monroe was about to leave office.

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Speaker 1: His secretary of State, John Quincy Adams, won in the gig.

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Speaker 1: He was itching for it, so John Quincy threw his

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Speaker 1: hat in the ring. Do you think that in some

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Speaker 1: way inside, John Quincy Adams felt like the presidency was

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Speaker 1: his birthright. Yes.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was really because he had some

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Speaker 1: That's John Quincy Adams biographer James Traub.

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Speaker 2: I think it's more because he was brought up by

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Speaker 2: his parents to see serving this infant republic, which became

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Speaker 1: By eighteen twenty four, one of the two original political parties,

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Speaker 1: the Federalist disintegrated, leaving really only one party, the Democratic

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Speaker 1: of Good Feelings. Despite the name, there was plenty of

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Speaker 1: against the crowded field. And I don't want this to

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Speaker 1: get too confusing for you, so let me break it down.

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Speaker 1: These are the candidates. William Crawford no relation, a Georgia

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Speaker 1: statesman and Monroe's Secretary of the Treasury. Henry Clay, a

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Speaker 1: season lawmaker from Kentucky who is ambitious as it gets

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Speaker 1: you'll see later. But his most potent challenger was Andrew Jackson,

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Speaker 1: a US senator and former general from Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Jackson was an adventurer. He was not just a

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Speaker 2: military figure. He was a military figure who almost could

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Speaker 2: not be restrained. He famously fought a war against first

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Speaker 2: and famously executed two British citizens who he said were

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Speaker 2: his own impromptu court and hanged them. He was an

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Speaker 2: ungovernable figure.

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Speaker 1: Is there a single word or a sentence you would

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Speaker 3: Andrew Jackson probably not a very nice one.

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Speaker 1: Presidential historian Lindsay Schervinsky picks it up from there.

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Speaker 3: By the time that he died, he owned one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty enslaved people, which was a huge estate, and

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Speaker 1: Jackson did not back down from a fight. For many

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Speaker 1: Southerners at the time, dueling was a common way of life,

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Speaker 1: and Jackson had a number of them under his belt.

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Speaker 3: The concept of honor and honor culture some feels a

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Speaker 3: that point because your reputation and your honor was what

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Speaker 3: made possible business arrangements, business deals, whether or not you

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Speaker 3: with or marry into, and so it was really important

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Speaker 3: to defend it, even up through violence, and so dueling

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Speaker 3: was a very complex system, and most duels actually were

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Speaker 3: not violent, and so Andrew Jackson himself had been in

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Speaker 3: several duels where they agreed to either walk away or

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Speaker 3: they agreed to fire into the sky. So while fans

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Speaker 3: of Hamilton may know that that duel was fatal, most

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Speaker 3: were not. Now, some that Andrew Jackson were in were violent.

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Speaker 1: In eighteen oh six, Jackson killed a man in a duel,

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Speaker 1: and in another one Jackson took a bullet to the shoulder.

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Speaker 1: In the election of eighteen twenty four, all bets were

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Speaker 1: riding a populist wave. More states were joining the Union

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Speaker 1: all the time, bringing new voters to each election, and Jackson,

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Speaker 1: being a tough talking Southerner, was popular with these voters.

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Speaker 1: He promised to wrestle federal government control from New England

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Speaker 1: was seen as one of them, a common man empowering

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Speaker 3: A lot of states started to amend their suffrage laws,

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Speaker 3: at this time it still really only applied to white men,

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Speaker 3: which meant that what we might think of as more

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Speaker 1: Establishment politicians like Clan Adams feared Jackson, and they had

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Speaker 3: They didn't know if he would work to undermine these

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Speaker 3: And there was a lingering sense, and this had been

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Speaker 3: an inheritance from the founding generation, that populism or mob

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Speaker 3: control would lead to anarchy, and so they weren't sure

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Speaker 3: if you gave the people too much power what they

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Speaker 1: If you were a voter in eighteen twenty four, Jackson

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Speaker 1: was the wild card and Adams was the safe bet.

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Speaker 1: He promised to unite the nation, and he was by

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Speaker 1: far the most qualified to be president.

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Speaker 2: In John Quincy Adams's day, the presidency was almost a

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Speaker 2: thing that you succeeded to by right, that is to say,

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Speaker 2: you earned your way to it by conspicuous public service.

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Speaker 2: Adams had been a diplomat from the age of twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Really he became America's senior diplomat while he was still

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Speaker 3: He had been the Secretary of State for eight years

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Speaker 3: and had an incredible tenure, got some really major treaties

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Speaker 3: well as the articulation of the Monroe Doctrine, and was

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Speaker 3: I think one of the best secretaries of State we've

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Speaker 1: Up until eighteen twenty four. Being secretary of State was

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Speaker 1: the Republic, three former secretaries of State were elected President,

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, and James Monroe. Now Adams was up.

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Speaker 3: So he's coming into this position thinking, surely, hit some

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Speaker 3: my turn. Surely the American people will select me and

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Speaker 1: As he waited for the election. In the fall of

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Speaker 1: aging father, the ex president. Pondering his fate, he walked

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Speaker 1: died from breast cancer. As he paced, perhaps the words

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Speaker 1: own laziness, slovenliness, and obstinacy. Adams also stopped at the

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Speaker 4: Before last another century, we shall all be moldering in

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Speaker 4: the same dust, or resolved in the same elements. You, then,

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Speaker 4: of our posterity, shall visit this yard. What shall he

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Speaker 4: the creator of all The record may be longer, may

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Speaker 1: When the election got under weigh in October, John Quincy's

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Speaker 1: anxiety only got worse. What if all this experience, his

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Speaker 1: Jackson stoked in the minds of voters, what do you

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Speaker 1: think was going through John Quincy Adam's head while the

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Speaker 3: He so desperately doesn't want to care, and yet cares

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Speaker 3: so much, And he sort of detested himself for wanting

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Speaker 1: When the votes were finally tallied, US Secretary of War

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Speaker 1: John C. Calhoun won a clear majority to become vice president.

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Speaker 1: In the presidential race, Jackson was the clear front runner,

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Speaker 1: but the four way race split the vote so much

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Speaker 3: Under the rules of the current system, the top three candidates.

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Speaker 3: If there was no majority, which there was not, the

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Speaker 3: top three candidates would go to the House, and the

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Speaker 3: House of Representatives would be in charge of then basically

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Speaker 3: selecting the next president.

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Speaker 1: For the second time in America's short history, the House

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Speaker 1: of Representatives would decide who would become the next president.

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Speaker 1: If that sounds like a complicated and contentious way to

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Speaker 1: And even though this was one of the most intense

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Speaker 3: The way that he dealt with that was to kind

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Speaker 1: This wasn't the first time the House decided a presidential election. Still,

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Speaker 1: It all came down to a two way race between

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Speaker 2: Kentucky wanted Andrew Jackson to be president, but it was

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Speaker 2: Once Kentucky had shifted, that began a series of other shifts.

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Speaker 1: As the story goes, the crowd parted as Jackson approached Adams.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knew what he might say or do. This was

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Speaker 1: The gentility did not last. Just days after winning the

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Speaker 2: It created this sense that John Quincy Adams had stolen

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Speaker 1: Adams did offer Jackson the War Department, but Jackson had

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Speaker 1: Newspapers ran wild, printing alternative facts claiming Adams stole the election,

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Speaker 2: There were so many reasons why Adams failed as president

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bob Crawford, Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: School of Humans