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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty, and He Armstrong and Getty Strong.

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Speaker 3: I'm already broken all of my resolutions. I got drunk today,

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Speaker 3: I didn't go to the gym. I eight donuts, so

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Speaker 3: I'm off to a bad stone.

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Speaker 2: My resolution is to have a higher resolution TV. It

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Speaker 2: occurred to me when I said the words, so I'm

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Speaker 2: off to the store. Meanwhile, you enjoy some great Armstrong

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Speaker 2: and Getty replay Don't Happy Be Worried? It's one more thing.

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Speaker 2: I was reminded of the Bobby mcferry classic don't Worry

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Speaker 2: Be Happy the other day as it was listed on

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Speaker 2: the Worst Songs of the nineties something like that.

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Speaker 3: Very popular.

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Speaker 2: It was a cute little ditty. It's fine, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's fine. People love, you know, slamming other people's choices

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Speaker 2: in music too much.

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Speaker 3: You gotta hate on being happy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly. But don't Happy be Worried is the

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Speaker 2: theme kind of sort of a really interesting study that's out.

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Speaker 2: Researchers from the University of Toronto, Scarborough and University of

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Speaker 2: Sydney the Canuckers joining up with the Australians. Trump will

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Speaker 2: be you know, annexing them both soon. But anyway, for now,

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Speaker 2: we'll let them have their cute little universities. But they right.

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Speaker 2: We live in a happiness obsessed world. Self help guru's

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Speaker 2: promise paths to Bliss, Instagram influencers pedal happiness is a lifestyle,

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Speaker 2: and corporations build marketing campaigns around the pursuit of positive emotions.

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Speaker 2: But new research suggests, say a prizing twist, I doubt

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Speaker 2: if you're familiar, yeah, exactly, trying to are to be

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Speaker 2: happy might make you miserable. The researchers that the aforementioned

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Speaker 2: universities found that actively pursuing happiness drains our mental energy,

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Speaker 2: the same energy we need for self control, among other things.

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Speaker 2: Says the researcher, the pursuit of happiness is a bit

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Speaker 2: like a snowball effect. You decide to try making yourself happier,

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Speaker 2: but then that effort deplete your ability to do the

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Speaker 2: kinds of things that actually make you happier.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, there's the key right there. What kind

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Speaker 3: of things actually make you happy? So among my favorite

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Speaker 3: books I've ever read in my life, the Art of

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Speaker 3: Happiness by the Dali Lama, which he says, your goal

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Speaker 3: every morning when you wake up should be to make

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Speaker 3: yourself happy. You should spend all your time trying to

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Speaker 3: make yourself happy. That's what you should do. But it

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Speaker 3: gets down to the data on what makes you happy

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Speaker 3: and what doesn't. And many, many the things we all

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Speaker 3: do every single day don't make us happy. They've never

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Speaker 3: made us happy. We have ample evidence from our own experience,

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Speaker 3: let alone other people's experience, that it doesn't make us.

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Speaker 2: Happy, yet we continue doing it.

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Speaker 3: Like eating bad food or buying stuff, or promiscuous sex

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is. It has never made us in

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Speaker 3: the happy, It doesn't make other people happy, yet we

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Speaker 3: keep thinking that's what's gonna make us happy. So pursuing

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Speaker 3: happiness every day is okay. You just need to define

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Speaker 3: what makes people actually makes people happy.

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Speaker 2: Maybe this is the key. Pleasure is not happiness. Fun

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Speaker 2: is not happiness, right, it can be part of it.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned all them. No life of purpose is what

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Speaker 2: makes people happy? Yeah? Yeah, happy? Happy? You wake up

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Speaker 2: determined to have a great day. You plan mood boosting

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Speaker 2: activities and work hard to stay positive, but by evening

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Speaker 2: you're ordering takeout instead of cooking. Mindlessly scrolling social media

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Speaker 2: and snapping at your partner while you're pursuit of happiness

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Speaker 2: might be the problem. The scientist marketing professor, what's it?

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Speaker 2: Bluntly quote, the more mentally run down we are, the

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Speaker 2: more tempted will be to skip cleaning the house and

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Speaker 3: And they're saying the same thing as the Dalai Lama says,

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Speaker 3: I just I like the way he words it. It's

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Speaker 3: a little more positive. Pursue happiness all day, every day.

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Speaker 3: That should be your goal in life, that should be

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Speaker 3: everybody's goal. But now let's break down what actually makes

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Speaker 3: people happy, as opposed to saying don't pursue happiness, because

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Speaker 3: then it seems like it's a gotta eat my vegetables,

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Speaker 3: gotta you know, all negative stuff and maybe it there'll

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Speaker 3: be a payoff in the end.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's like the difference between pursuing money and pursuing

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Speaker 2: the skills that will make you money. In a way, Katie,

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Speaker 2: do you have something you want to jump in with?

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Speaker 2: You look thoughtful.

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Speaker 4: I I'm kind of overthinking this, I think Okay, to

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's amazing that human beings do things that

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Speaker 3: make themselves unhappy all the time, all the time. It's

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Speaker 3: just like one of those the common things we do

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Speaker 3: pursue relationships.

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Speaker 2: That we know aren't good.

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Speaker 3: But there's either sex, prestige, whatever that that makes you

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Speaker 2: Just we regularly chase things that we know are bad.

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Speaker 4: For us, right right, watching my brain was going with like,

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Speaker 4: things you don't want to do, but the payoff in

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Speaker 4: the end is good.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the simplest one is the stirring at your phone.

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever, at the end of the day, says I'm

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Speaker 3: sure glad I spent that much time scrolling on my phone.

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Speaker 3: Nobody ever, not even for one day, right right.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to contrast doom scrolling on Twitter,

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Speaker 2: which I have the compulsion to do and I resist

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Speaker 2: pretty well most times, versus the other day. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is as mundane as can be. I cleaned out

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Speaker 2: better organized. It's just it's better. And that made me happy, right,

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Speaker 2: like happy? Yeah, Like today, I was not pleasurable. I

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Speaker 2: would love to lay on my couch all day, but

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Speaker 2: I know I have laundry to do, and when I

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Speaker 2: get it done, I'm going to be happy that it's done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was just reading an obituary of a fella

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Speaker 2: that I barely knew, and it was post retirement, I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty sure. But he filled his life with the Boys

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Speaker 2: it was really pivotal in guiding them through difficult financial

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Speaker 2: times and growing the programs and stuff like that. I'll

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Speaker 2: bet there was very little of that that was pleasurable.

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Speaker 2: Some of it was because watching kids learn and grow

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Speaker 2: to his soul.

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Speaker 5: I think the best happiness comes from accomplishments. It could

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Speaker 5: be like mowing the grass. Like you're pushing the mower

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Speaker 5: and you look back and you see what you've done,

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Speaker 5: and then when you're all finished, you look at and

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Speaker 3: So why then evolutionary speaking, why are we is our

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Speaker 3: on on the couch watching this football game is what

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Speaker 3: It's going to make me happy. Even though you're absolutely

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Speaker 3: right afterwards, I don't think why did I watch? I

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Speaker 3: don't even care about these two teams as opposed to

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Speaker 3: you'll feel happy after you all the one.

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Speaker 2: Well, the greatest minds of our time are devoted toward

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Speaker 2: getting you to do things for pleasure for their profit

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Speaker 2: in a way that didn't exist. I mean even two

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Speaker 2: hundred years ago. There is advertisement, but it was not

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Speaker 2: nearly as effective, manipulative and scientifically based as modern you know,

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Speaker 2: like like Facebook TikTok. My god, we as a species

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Speaker 2: don't stand a chance against that sort of rological manipulation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've noticed recently. I don't know if my well,

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Speaker 3: I just I guess I just started doing the Instagram

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Speaker 3: kind of the American version of TikTok, I guess anyway.

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Speaker 3: What's disappointing to me is it's not like doom scrolling

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Speaker 2: I do that? Or it's pretty good. It's pretty enjoyable.

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Speaker 3: It feeds me lots of stuff I really like, I

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Speaker 3: mean like really like here's some rare concert footage that

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Speaker 3: So it's actually it's actually enjoyable, like really enjoyable in

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Speaker 2: So that's what I got to fight now is not

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Speaker 2: even start. I am going to further parse language. You

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Speaker 2: got pleasure, you got happiness, and Michael, to your point,

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Speaker 2: you have satisfaction. Maybe that's another word to think about

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Speaker 2: happiness and satisfaction as opposed to pleasure.

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Speaker 3: If you don't say you're retired and you don't really

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Speaker 2: That's when it's the most important, according to everybody I've

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Speaker 3: You don't think you could just look at Instagram reels

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Speaker 3: feeding your stuff that you actually enjoy and be okay,

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Speaker 2: Be dead soon. I don't know. I can't state that

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Speaker 2: And the golf course, I just play golf, look at TikTok.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've since I started on Instagram reels, it's in

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Speaker 3: the TikTok algorithm scares me if it's substantially better. Like

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Speaker 3: I was listening to Sarah Iger of The Dispatch saying,

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Speaker 3: if you think Instagram reels is addictive, you have no idea.

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Speaker 3: Because she got sucked into TikTok and then got it

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Speaker 2: She says, just so good. It's just every day stuff.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I'm super into. My daughter did the

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Speaker 3: That's why I feel with Instagram reels, like, man, is

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Speaker 2: Stuff that I just love.

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Speaker 3: But you can't, you know, wants to live their life

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, Lord knows, I've lived a checkered life,

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Speaker 2: this may shock you, folks, I used to take walks

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Speaker 2: lou Reads sen itse not gender bending madness, but you know,

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Speaker 2: like this too much. Yeah, and so it is with

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Speaker 2: the tickety talk. From what I've heard, you realize I

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Speaker 2: am powerless against this. Yeah. It is like an endless.

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Speaker 4: They provide you endless entertainment on there, especially when they

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could do that for hours. I wonder

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Speaker 4: Well, and what sucks about that is because I thought,

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Speaker 2: Get out of my house. I get my stuff, at

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Speaker 2: are here, I go states she was running it. She

436
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Speaker 2: made me do it right under the bus, and Jody, honey,

437
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: I hope you're comfortable under there. Oh, let's see. So

438
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: I think the longest of the amendments I can find

439
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: is probably the twelfth about choosing the president vice president.

440
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: They had to clarify how that was going to work.

441
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: But man, they get long. The fourteenth is long, five

442
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 2: paragraphs long. Liquor abolished, bastards. What number is that you suck?

443
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Speaker 2: That's the eighteenth And did you say it is longer?

444
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 3: Is it short?

445
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 2: No more booze? Parties jackasses?

446
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 3: That's what that one's called.

447
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's long and boring, just like a world without alcohol.

448
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: Another are three shortish?

449
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 3: And then how soon after that one is the one

450
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Speaker 3: that says parties back on.

451
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: The twenty first, God bless it. Actually the eighteenth was

452
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: ratified in nineteen nine, nineteen, and it was repealed in

453
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty three. Wow, I always forget how long that

454
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: period was. Of no favorite. Some of my favorite writings

455
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: by H. L. Menken were written during Prohibition. What he

456
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: would describe how congress people and senators Washington, DC, you

457
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: could get a drink practically as easy as you can

458
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: right now. It was everywhere because the senators were never

459
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: going to hold themselves to the same standards. They were

460
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: just doing it because it was politically popular. It was

461
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 2: a popular movement among women when women first got the

462
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 2: right to vote because so many of their husbands would

463
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Speaker 2: come home hammer drunk and either be useless or violent,

464
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Speaker 2: or or have spent all the money at the bar.

465
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Speaker 3: Your people, Katie to awaar our party.

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because of what your people put us through every

467
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Speaker 4: day by being drunk a holes.

468
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, if your people weren't all day long, maybe

469
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't need a drink.

470
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: Well, if you would do some things around the house,

471
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Speaker 4: maybe we.

472
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't all the time. Oh my God, give me the bottle.

473
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: Where's the bottle? I think that was all right.

474
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: Boardwalk Empire if you never watched that series with Steve Buscemi,

475
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 3: really great portrayal of those years.

476
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: Nineteenth Amendment Women's suffrages I was ratified in nineteen twenty.

477
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: Man need a duo over on that one.

478
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, so again, women's voting and prohibition came up

479
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: at the same time, although admittedly liquor was abolished just

480
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: before the year before women got the right to vote.

481
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Speaker 4: One of my favorite places, near the Radio Ranch in

482
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 4: San Francisco was an old prohibition bar, and the owner

483
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 4: took us down into their storage room one day and

484
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: all of the old tunnel doors were all welded shut

485
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 4: because they used to move alcohol underneath San Francisco in

486
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 4: this tunnel system.

487
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: But it was really cool.

488
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

489
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my favorite liquor stores was named twenty

490
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: second Amendment Liquors, which I always I'm sorry not to

491
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 2: twenty forty first Amendment. Yeah, yeah, twenty second is presidential

492
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: term limits. That'd just be a weird name.

493
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: Went to a bar name after term limits.

494
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Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, ladies, keep in mind nineteenth Amendment.

495
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: We gave you the right, we can take it away, and.

496
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: Yes it's on a as a needed basis.

497
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Speaker 2: Let's see, can anybody name the last amendment? I'll tell

498
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: you that it's the twenty seventh, So anybody remember what

499
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: it is? Limiting congressional pay increases, ratified nineteen ninety two. Essentially,

500
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: you don't get a raise until another round of elections

501
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: is held. You can vote one in, but you don't

502
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: get it. You know, our friend Tim thinks there should

503
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: be more amendments that that we have been. We've made

504
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: it too difficult.

505
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: It seemed like it's acted like it's just too big

506
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 3: a crazy a deal to ever talk about amendments. Yeah,

507
00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: I would agree.

508
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you spend two hundred and fifty years doing

509
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: something you ought to get better at it, figure out,

510
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: oh we forgot this. I would like to see some

511
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: stuff clarified, like the fourteenth Amendment that the birthrate citizenship.

512
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: All I want is added on if the parents have

513
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: legal status in the United States. You can't just sneak

514
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: in all I know. I'm glad you read that.

515
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: When I get home, there are some soldiers sleeping soundly

516
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: in my bed, who are gonna You're not gonna be

517
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: happy to hear what I now know.

518
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: I will court to you no longer.

519
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200
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520
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Speaker 1: Shoe podcasts and our hot links The Armstrong and Getty Show.

521
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: So I found this interesting, speaking of being intoxicated or altered.

522
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: It's in the Fabulous Free Press by a woman by

523
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: the name of Katie Herzog. She's talking about the fact

524
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: that she was a chronic drinker, alcoholic for twenty years.

525
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: We're talking ten to twelve drinks a day, every day,

526
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: ten to twelve a days. Who not a big gal either, Yeah,

527
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: that's getting after it. Yeah. And she said short of rehab,

528
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: I tried all the usual treatments to get better, and

529
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: a few less usual ones, alcoholics, anonymous, cognitive behavioral therapy,

530
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: individual counseling, group counseling, yoga cleanses, white knuckling it through

531
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: cravings and shakes. At one point I tried swapping out

532
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: my drinking habit for a cannabis one, which no drug

533
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: counselor would recommend, but was less dangerous. The worst thing

534
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: that happened to me on weed was accidentally inhaling old

535
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: bong water and everything. Most of the things worked, at

536
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: least for a little while, but even when I wasn't drinking,

537
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 2: the obsession with drinking was still there. She says. I

538
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: marked sober days on my calendar as though I were

539
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: in prison, counting down each one until eventual relapse, which

540
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,479
Speaker 2: she says she was kind of secretly hoping for. And

541
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: then man, she was in terrible, terrible shape after she'd relapsed,

542
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: just crippling hangovers and like abdominal pain, probably from a

543
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: liver and and before I get to the uplifting and

544
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: really interesting scientific part, here's like the sad, sad moment.

545
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: She says. At some point I realized I was the

546
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: last one at the party. There so long the party,

547
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: party slowly withered away as my drinking buddies got careers

548
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: or kids or cancer. I was alone with my bottle

549
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: and miserable for it. So anyway, she mentions she had

550
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: read of was she at that time?

551
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: Do you have any idea?

552
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: Oh? God, yeah, a late thirties, maybe early forties. But

553
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: then she talks about how AA came to be the

554
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: standard treatment of alcohol use disorder in the US. But

555
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: she read about another treatment that had been developed in Finland,

556
00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: the Sinclair method. Have you ever heard of this? Because

557
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: you know a lot about this stuff. All you do,

558
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: she wrote, is take a dose of the opioid blocker

559
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 2: now treck zone, wait an hour, then drink. This has

560
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: been shown, she said, to reduce both cravings and consumption.

561
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: Some people use this method to drink normally moderately. Others

562
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: get entirely sober. Though it's long and so it's a

563
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: way that you can drink. I that's interesting, Yes, whether

564
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: it's on your way to sobriety or just moderation or whatever.

565
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: But the point of it is you get all the

566
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: physical effects of alcohol slurred speech, drowsiness, last last loss

567
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: of coordination, hangover, et cetera, without the buzz.

568
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: I'll take this out of it drug.

569
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: Precisely, this drug cancels your ability to feel any sort

570
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: of buzz.

571
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

572
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: A lot of people are doing this on their own.

573
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: You have to get a doctor who's who says, wow, okay,

574
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: I get it, that makes sense, or is familiar with

575
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: this treatment. But it's not like super well known or approved.

576
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: There are a few private Facebook groups with thousands of

577
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: members and that sort of thing.

578
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: Well, I have two comments on that. When whatever works

579
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: for you works for you, try whatever you again if

580
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: it works good. Two comments on that, though, one it

581
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: kind of reminds me of my since I can't taste sweet.

582
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: I lost my ability to taste sweet because of COVID

583
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: and almost everybody's reactions. Oh I wish that would happen

584
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: to me. I eat more sweets than I ever ate

585
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: my life because I can't taste sweet. So I just think.

586
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 3: I don't wonder how that factors in the fact that

587
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: you you're taking the drink, probably because you want the buzz,

588
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: but you're not getting it. So I wonder what that

589
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: does do you, if it makes you want other things

590
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: or whatever. I don't have any idea. And then I

591
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: also know the problem with that because the what is

592
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: that an abuse? They're the thing you can take that

593
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: makes you throw up if you drink.

594
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: That's what I was just thinking of.

595
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I've known people who tried at the problem

596
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: with it is, at some point you decide you want

597
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 3: to drink. See, you don't take it. So at some

598
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: point these people maybe they would. You think, I want

599
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 3: the buzz, So I'm not going to take that thing

600
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: that keeps me from not getting the buzz.

601
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: Now, right, she just what she says, is it in

602
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: a way that nothing else did just ended the craving

603
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: for her? Now that's interesting, like for years, and she's

604
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: been sober for a long time now and hangs around

605
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: people who are drinking and it's fine. She just has

606
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: no desire to drink. And again, I don't I'm not

607
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: claiming that this is a universal cure. All I saw

608
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: the cover of a book somewhere. Yeah, drink your way sober. Yes,

609
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: the brain is so freaking complicated. This is what I

610
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: always say on this topic.

611
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 3: I'm stunned with all the addicts we've got laying around

612
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: on the street that we haven't gotten further down the

613
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: road of figuring this out. I'll tell you what doesn't work. Rehabs.

614
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: They are they're like a practically useless but it's everybody's

615
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: first choice to throw money at best.

616
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: PR two results ratio in the history of mankind might.

617
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: Be Yeah, well, this lady's thing works.

618
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Speaker 4: I have a question about that an abuse stuff, Jack.

619
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Speaker 4: I don't know how much you know about it, but

620
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: is it something that you take on like a daily

621
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: basis and build up a tolerance with it or do

622
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: you just take it prior to drinking? Because I had

623
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 4: a friend that tried this and she would just take

624
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: it prior to thinking she might drink.

625
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just prior to I don't know.

626
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: I don't remember. I knew somebody to try it, and

627
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: their thing was sometimes they drank because they wanted to

628
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: drink so bad and then they violently threw up. Yeah,

629
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: and then other times they think, I want to drink today,

630
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to take my awn abuse pill today, right.

631
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Speaker 3: I remember years and years ago you were talking about

632
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: this this sort of topic. Can correct me or edit

633
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: me if I'm off, But it's said in the recovery

634
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: community that you're trying to fix your brain with your brain. Yeah,

635
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: that's a very challenging thing to obviously.

636
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: Yea. And the point of this, semi obviously is that

637
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 2: the positive feedback slowly just goes away because you don't

638
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: get it. You got to be motivated enough to do

639
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: it over longer and long enough period that your brain saying, oh,

640
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: this will be great, this will be great, this will

641
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: be great, just goes away.

642
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: That's what reminded me of the sweets thing, though. I

643
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: was I've been hoping that would happen with the sweets.

644
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: Now.

645
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: Maybe it treats whatever you get out of drugs and

646
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: alcohol escape differently than sweet, But I kept thinking, doesn't

647
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: my brain at some point realize you don't get any

648
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: benefit from the donut so quick trading sweets.

649
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if it has something to do with the

650
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: discovery that like diet, soda and artificial sweeteners don't do

651
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: you any good really, because your body still has an

652
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Speaker 2: innate lust desire need for something sweet, which is probably

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Speaker 2: four hundred thousand years old to do with needing to

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Speaker 2: get a certain amount of fruit or whatever. Probably I

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Speaker 2: and so your animal brain is craving that in a way,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't crave forgetting about my problems for an hour

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Speaker 2: while I watch music videos on YouTube. I'm describing a

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Speaker 2: friend's evening, not mine. I wish I craved vegetables the

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Speaker 2: way I crave sweets. Wouldn't that be awesome. I've never

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Speaker 2: craved a vegetable in my life, but constantly sure, go

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Speaker 2: for some broccoli right about now.

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Speaker 3: Constantly crave sweets, and I can't satisfy the at least

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Speaker 3: the taste of it because I can't taste it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, anyway, the book once again is called Drink

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Speaker 2: Yourself Sober, which is obviously kind of a clever and

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Speaker 2: counterintuitive title to grab your attention.

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Speaker 3: I hope it works. That would be great for everyone

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Speaker 3: if it works. There is a famous story of a

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Speaker 3: woman who wrote a book about moderation or something that

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Speaker 3: got pretty famous for a while, and she ended up

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Speaker 3: dying in a drunk driving crash when she drank again.

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Speaker 2: So she Yeah, So I hope it works, and you know,

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Speaker 2: and even if it works for I don't know, twenty

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Speaker 2: percent of people, ten percent, that's better than none, have

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Speaker 2: much higher than rehabs. Yeah.

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