1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: Ka Boom. If you thought four hours a day, minutes 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: a week was enough, I think again. He's the last 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: remnants of the old republic a sole fashion of fairness. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: He treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: the rich pill poppers in the penthouse the clearing House 6 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: of Hot takes break free for something special. The Fifth 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Hour with Ben Maller starts right now in the air 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: everywhere as we are back at it on a Saturday 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: edition of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller and Danny 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: g Radio. Because four hours a night clearly not enough 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: eight days a week. We hope you enjoyed the programming 12 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: change on Friday. Thanks to our friends over at DraftKings, 13 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: we provided you with all of the amazing prop bets 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: around Super Bowl fifty six. It is a yearly tradition 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: that I've done on terrestrial radio and here on the podcast, 16 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: and we're very lucky that Draft Kings wanted to be 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: a part of that, and we would have done it anyway, 18 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: but they were like, hey, we want to associate the 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Draft Kings sports book with the podcast, so that was great. 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: We had a wonderful time and so normally if you 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: know the way this works, and you listen a lot, 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of drama unless there is, because 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: normally we have a cadence to the Fifth Hour podcast Friday, 24 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to somebody in the radio business 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: or sports. It doesn't just have to be sports. We've 26 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: had political pundits, We've had professional chefs on the podcast. 27 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm willing to expand my horizons on the Fifth Hour, 28 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: but lately we've been sticking to sports. And it's the 29 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: football postseason where a day before Super Bowl Sunday, and 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: so we we did the prop bet thing on Friday, 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: and so we were reversing what we normally do. And 32 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: that means on this the Saturday podcast edition of The 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: Fifth Hour, we have a Hall of Famer, not me. 34 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm not a Hall of Famer. No no, no, no no. 35 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: But if you've been listening to the Overnight show, you 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: know that I had a little childhood crushed as a 37 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: through the eyes of a child, I thought I was 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: going to play in the NFL, and I thought someday 39 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: I could play on the offensive line for the l 40 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: A Rams. I've told the story many times. My mom, 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: as she rest in peace, a great mom, she would 42 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: drop me off every once in a while at RAM 43 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: training camp as a fat, chubby kid, and I would 44 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: run around the campus of UC Irvine and the Rams 45 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: had to a day practices and I pretty much had 46 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: the run of the place because in those days, training 47 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: camp was just training camp. It was actually about football. 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: It was like one security guard and he was sitting 49 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: on one of those metal folding chairs, and that was 50 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: kind of it. I mean, they did have a roped 51 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: off area, but it wasn't anything like it's been in 52 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: the last ten fifteen years. If you have been able 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: to attend an NFL training camp or even seeing video 54 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 1: of it, you know it's it's a whole circus. It's 55 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: like going to Disneyland at NFL training camp. But it 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: was much different back then. And I gravitated towards the 57 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: offensive line and Jackie Slater, who we're gonna have on 58 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: here in a couple of minutes, a very nice uh. 59 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: It was someone I looked up to. It was a 60 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: great player for the Rams back in the day. In fact, 61 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: the reputation of Jackie Slater insane. I mean this, guys, 62 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: you talked about having a pro football career as an 63 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: offensive line and you can't do it better than Jackie Slater. 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: I know I'm sucking up here, but man, oh man, 65 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: this guy was drafted by the Rams in nine teen 66 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: seventies six, and he didn't even play that much his 67 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: first couple of years. And then once he started playing, 68 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: he was the primary, you know, a guy on the 69 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: offensive line, was the anchor of the offensive line in 70 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, all the way through the Rams returned 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: to St. Louis. He was still with the team when 72 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: they went back and became the St. Louis Rams. But 73 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: he had all kinds of accolag You don't end up 74 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame by being a chump. Twenty 75 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: four different quarterbacks, twenty four different quarterbacks played behind Jackie Slater, 76 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: thirty seven different running backs, and he was a great lineman. 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: It's the old chicken and the egg thing. Where is 78 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: it the the great offensive lineman that makes the great 79 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: running back? Or is it the great running back that 80 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: makes the great offensive lineman? What came first? But all 81 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: I know is Jackie Slater played in college with the 82 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: great Walter Payton at Jackson State. That's been a story 83 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: that's been bounced around quite a bit over the years. 84 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: You talk about Jackie Slater, but in the NFL some 85 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: big names had seven different thousand yard running backs behind 86 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: Jackie Slater, including Lawrence McCutcheon, Wendell Tyler, Eric Dickerson, for me, 87 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: the gold standard, Eric Dickerson, Charles White, Greg Bell, the 88 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: great Cleveland Gary a great name, okay player, and Jerome Bettis. 89 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: He broke in with the l A. Rams before he 90 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: became the man with the Pittsburgh Steelers. But he he 91 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: did it all back in the day and we are 92 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: lucky enough to have on now the man, the myth, 93 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: the legend who just kept going and going and going 94 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: and going. As he's number seventy eight, well he was 95 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: number seventy eight in your RAMS program, but he was 96 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 1: number one in your heart. No longer an active number 97 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: because that number has been retired by the Ramsey's in 98 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, he was the class 99 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: of and more importantly for my purpose is Jackie. Uh. 100 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: We we hung out together and I again it's another 101 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: story I've told on the radio show, but we were 102 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: in the press box together at the NFC Championship game. Uh. 103 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: You on one side, me on the other, were like bookends. 104 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: In the press box there side by side and in 105 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: the Rams come back against the forty niners. I I 106 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: don't know if I bothered you too much. That was 107 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: I too annoying, Jackie, Please help me out on that. 108 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: I hope I wasn't too annoying for you. No, not 109 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: at all. But we have a good time. I mean 110 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: we sat there and you know, we looked at the 111 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: game and it was a good game. And I could 112 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: tell you were a fan. Even though I know you're 113 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: a reporter and you're covering the game. You were really 114 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: into the game, kind of like me. Perfect strangers. We 115 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: didn't hit it off, okay, as we watched the game. Yeah, no, 116 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: it was. It was good. Listen. I had a great time. 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know if I told you I had 118 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: talked to you in the past, But when I was 119 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: a kid, Jackie and I used to growing up, my 120 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: mom would drop me off every once in a a while 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: at Rams training camp when you were playing for the Rams, 122 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: and I was a little chubby kid, and I would 123 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: always go kind of hang around the offensive lineman and 124 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: uh and I. You were very kind. I mean you 125 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: didn't say much, and I mean you guys were all 126 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: kind of doing your thing. You were focused on your job. 127 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: But you were very nice to me, and I do 128 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: appreciate that, Jackie. Is when I was a little kid, 129 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: through the eyes of a child, Uh was about that? 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: How about that? And I think you see if I 131 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: had doesn't mean to you and and said get away 132 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: from me, kid, can't you see them hot and bothered? 133 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: Then you would have remembered that. Also, you would have 134 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: been thinking all your life that guy number seventy eight 135 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: for the Rams, it's not a nice person. You know, 136 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: you would have been thinking that way. So I've always 137 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: I always try to handle people the way I want 138 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: to be treated and the way I would want them 139 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: to treat my kids and my family. And and it's 140 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: paid off. I I enjoyed people coming up and and 141 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: sharing with me. Hey, Jackie, I met you here, I 142 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: met you there, you came to speak to us here, 143 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: he came. You know, I enjawed that because you know, 144 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: it just tells me. It's it's affirmation for me that 145 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: I was trying to treat people the right way, and 146 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: that's the way I want to be treated myself. Yeah, 147 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: you were great, and it was a lot different back then. 148 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean I went to training camp. You know, recently 149 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: we'll get to the Super Bowl and all that. But 150 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: I went to training camp, you know, somewhat recently. It's 151 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: all corporate now. Back in those days, it was very 152 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: laid back in training camp. But I look at it 153 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: now and I compare it to them. It's a it's 154 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: an amazing transformation. Jackie. You know, you guys, you had 155 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: it much different back in those days. Uh it was. 156 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: I was, You know that, there's no comparison. I was. 157 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: I was at the Pro Bowl just this past week. 158 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: My son played in the Pro Bowl, and I sat 159 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: there in amazement watching the game. You know, it used 160 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: to be uh Crosby, I think his name is, the 161 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,119 Speaker 1: defensive lineman from from the Raiders. Actually wanted the defensive 162 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: m v P of the game. And and it didn't 163 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: deprive me because when I went to he put for 164 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: a pretty good effort, ran hard to the quarterback, got 165 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 1: the sacks, and made some big plays where they were 166 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: calling his name. And I said earlier in the ball game, 167 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: his effort long, if he keeps it up, he's gonna 168 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: be the m v P of the game. I called 169 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: it on the first play because most of the people 170 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: there are just going through the motions. And I remember 171 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: going to I played in seven Pro Bowls, and I 172 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: left one of those Pro Bowls with a crack in 173 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: my wrist and I had to wear a prosthesis on 174 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: my wrist for the rest of my career. And I 175 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: really the reason why is because the defensive linemen were 176 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: the ones that were running past the offensive lineman. They're 177 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: getting the sacks, and then they would get the m 178 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: v P Award, which was the nice brand new truck. 179 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: And so it was nowhere near as competitive for these guys. 180 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: The other night when I was at that game as 181 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: it was for us. I mean I had, I mean 182 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: think about you got more guests, so you got how 183 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: we long? You got? You got all these you got 184 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: ready white, all of these guys over there realizing, Hey, 185 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: if I get two and a half sacks, maybe three, 186 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: they're gonna give me a brand new truck. So you 187 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: know you had for if you were well. Yeah, and 188 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: and being at the Proo. I watched a few seconds 189 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: of it on Telligence, but it seems like it's it's 190 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: turned into two hand touch Jackie. Right. It was, it 191 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: was a lot of it, did It really wasn't two 192 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: hand touch. And you know, this has been going on 193 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: for a while, and I guess it's I guess it's understandable. 194 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what they're gonna do. I 195 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: noticed they took the kicking game completely out of the game. 196 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: There's no kick covers, no punk coverage. You know, they've 197 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: taken that completely away. And and and I suppose I 198 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: can understand it. I mean, just think about this. I 199 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: don't know how many years ago it was that Jerry 200 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Jones bought the Dallas Cowboys, but he paid somewhere in 201 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: the neighborhood of a hundred d hunting forty million dollars 202 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: something like that is what he paid for. The Rams 203 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: right now have three guys on their roster with contracts 204 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: of just a little bit under that. And it's all 205 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: over the National Football League. So I suppose that if 206 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: I were a player and I was participating in this 207 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: economic environment, I would want, in other in other words, 208 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: for men to go and risk my risk, my livelihood 209 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: at a game, at an All Star Game, I suppose 210 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: I would want the rules changed so that I wouldn't 211 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: jeopardize my future as well. Well. Yeah, and and Jackie, 212 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: as you said back, when you were playing, you guys 213 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: made a more reasonable You made a lot of money, 214 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: but in comparison, but not like today. You needed those 215 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: guys needed the truck, right, Jackie, you had to wak 216 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: the n V p Okay, Okay, first of all, let 217 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: me clear something that you made a statement that's incorrect. 218 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: You said back in the day. You know, I know 219 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: you guys made a lot of money, and then you 220 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: went on to compare it to what the guys are 221 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: doing today. Let me clear you up so you have 222 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: perfect understanding. There was no way you compare what the 223 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: guys made during my day with what the guys made 224 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: h during this particular time. And you know what, I 225 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: don't begrudge them. I'm so happy for them. When you know, 226 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: the two guys that I think about is back kri 227 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: the left tackle with the Green Bay Packers, and Trent Williams, 228 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: the left tackle with the San Francisco Fortis. Both of 229 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: those men or hundred million dollars players their team says, 230 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: the blind side of these quarterbacks are so important that 231 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna treat you like that. You know, years ago, 232 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: when I was playing, you go into some of these 233 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: offices and they would tell us. You know, don't come 234 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: in here ask them for a contract or a raise. 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: But we can get any overweight taxicab driving to do 236 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: your job. So things have certainly changed over the years. 237 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: So they told you, you you know, you you end up 238 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, Jackie. And they were like, right, 239 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: we that sounds like I work in radio, jack I've 240 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: had program directors that said we can get anybody at 241 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: the train station to work in radio and talk. You 242 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,719 Speaker 1: know that. So they treated you like that back when 243 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: you were playing early on. Absolutely absolutely it was a 244 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: part of the as a part of the uh you know, 245 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: it's a partner of the fabric of the of an existence. 246 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: You know. They they that this whole idea of the 247 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: blindside and throwing the ball is by me, you know, 248 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: to throw the ball a lot more than what we did. Strategically, 249 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: I thought our guys had to our coaches had to 250 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: be on top of the game because now they gotta 251 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: call the defensive, they gotta call you know, you gotta 252 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: you gotta strategically run the ball, and you gotta attack 253 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: people strategically with a lot of variety. And your passing 254 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: game had to be you know, pretty good as as well, 255 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: so it's I like the air that I played in 256 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: because I was expected to be a more versatile player. 257 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: I was not a uh, just a pure pass blocker, 258 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: even though I did that well when I had to. 259 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: I was not just a pure run blocker, even though 260 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: I did that well. I think the thing for me 261 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: that lent this up to my success during the time 262 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: that I played was the versatility that I had. I mean, 263 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: I was I worked really hard on my pass sets 264 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: and and how to use my hands as on punching downs. 265 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: I worked real hard on that, and then I worked 266 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: really hard on on the different parts of run schemes 267 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: that we use. I mean we use the inside zone, 268 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: outside zone. We ran counters, we ran traps, we ran 269 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: pitches and tosses, and I mean we just had so 270 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: much variety that you know, even the defenders that we 271 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: uh that we played, uh, you know, they were more 272 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: depth at at at both rushing the passer and UH 273 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: and and playing the run. They were more every down 274 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: players as opposed to the platooning in the pass rushers 275 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: and platooning in the run defenders. On on the perspective 276 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: downs and yeah, well you you actually played in here 277 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: where they ran the ball more. You were known for 278 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: producing hundred yard rushers during games, and great played with 279 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: great running backs. But as an offensive line, was it 280 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: more fun to run block? I would think that would 281 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: be more enjoyable than pass blocking. But you played, what 282 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: what did you enjoy more? Well? I felt like to 283 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: be a really good and productive offensive line, you needed 284 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: to be able to do both. But don't just come 285 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: out of the ball game, out of the shoot and 286 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: start the ball game with me pass blocking, because most 287 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: defensive linemen, all you want to do is tee off 288 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: and get vertically up the field after your quarterback. Now, 289 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you put your hand in the ground. 290 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: You make them play a variety of of runs on 291 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: first and second down in early in the ball game, 292 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: and take your traditional shots on third down, and then 293 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: start mixing it up in the next series. From there. 294 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: Now the guy has to conclude that, hey, these guys 295 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: will run the ball. They got good backs the rams 296 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: of Historically when I was playing, they always had good backs. 297 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: From Lawrence McCutcheon, we used to call him Lawrence of 298 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. From Lawrence McCutcheon to Durrell Thomas, who said 299 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: had at one point in time, a record for most 300 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: yards in the game. We did it against the Dallas Cowboys. Uh, 301 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, Elvis Pecock. The list goes on and on. 302 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: Man Eric Dickinson. I mean we had we had several 303 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: thous yards back and Eric Dickison was the was the 304 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: two thousand yard back. So I mean it was just 305 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot of production. It was 306 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: a very physical game. Was that that type of balls 307 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: is not for the you know, the faint of hearts. 308 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: You can't just sit there and want to get physical 309 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: later in the block. Uh, as most pass boxers, uh, 310 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: you know find out that they can do in that scheme. 311 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: You gotta be physical at the line of scrimmage. And uh, 312 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, when I think about the New York Giants 313 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: and Bill Parcels and Belichick when they were together in 314 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: New York, the guys that they I mean they had 315 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: two and forty pounds linebackers, you know, Gary Reasons and 316 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: had Harry Carson. Those guys were Harry Carson was an offer, 317 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: was the first team Black College All American defensive lineman 318 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: when he was in college and his senior year and 319 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: then he played in as a Hall of Fame linebacker 320 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: where he played linebacker his whole career with the New 321 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: York Giants, So that tells you something about the physicality. 322 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: How big and then these guys are two and forty 323 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: fifty pounds playing inside linebackers. So you know you had 324 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: to be an all around guy to separate yourself from 325 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: the average joe. And you know that's just the way 326 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: it was. Like then, well, you played. You know, you're 327 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: known for your longevity in the NF. You played regular 328 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: season games, which I read the most ever by an 329 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: offensive lineman when you were tired. So what was the secret? 330 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: I used? You met, you got hurt in the Pro Bowl, 331 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you had plenty of injuries through your career, 332 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: but what what was the secret to twenty year run? Well, 333 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: I have to be honest with you. I think that 334 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: it was just the Good Lord's will for my life. 335 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: You know a lot of people looked at me when 336 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: I came to Los Angeles and they concluded, you know 337 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: that the Good Lord said let there be offensive tapito. 338 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: I mean I was big, big enough, strong enough, quick enough, 339 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: fast enough, in fact more most of that, more than most. 340 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, then I got exposed to some 341 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: very good coaching and an environment that really like to 342 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: express yourself. The utopic environment and which I was put 343 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: as a unblockers, a pass blockers schematically with the players 344 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: that I was, with the injuries that I had, if 345 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: I could do it all over the day. I often 346 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 1: get asked this question, if you could do it all 347 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: over the day to participate in this economical environment, would 348 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: you do it? And they expect me to say, yeah, 349 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: I jump all over it. I wouldn't look back. But 350 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is I answer that question 351 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: by saying, yes, I would if if I could have 352 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: the same injuries, if I could play the same number 353 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: of years, if I can have the same teammates, if 354 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: I can have the same coaches. I mean, it was 355 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: just a utopic environment for me to function, and every 356 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: single one of those elements that I just share with 357 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: you were critical contributions to my ability to stay in 358 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: the league as long as I do. If I could 359 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: come back just to make ten million a year for 360 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: four or five years, and that would be it, I 361 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: passed on it. Yeah. Interesting, why I've seen you at 362 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: the at the Rams game a couple of weeks ago. 363 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: I get you. Still you look like you haven't aged 364 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: at all, Jackie, you look like you could still play. 365 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: Is that a mirage only on him? Only my botherer knows? 366 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: Because you you know, I feel good, I really feel good. 367 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: I've been blessed. You know. I try to stay as 368 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: active as I possibly can, you know, and you know, 369 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: try to just try to do things right, you know, 370 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: even though I have you know, I have a I 371 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: love my GONNELI scream, you know, chocolate cake on the cage, 372 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: and so I have to watch those type of things. 373 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: But you know, I just try to enjoy the life 374 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: of trying not to overdo it. Now I hear and 375 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: you many people know your story. You in college, you 376 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: played at Jackson State with with Walter Payton. But Jackson 377 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: State now over the last couple of years, Jackie, you 378 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: know you're well aware of it. But with Dion Sanders 379 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: and him taking over at your old college, they got 380 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: the number one recruit in college football. How impressed are 381 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: you talking about what Dion has been able to do 382 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: and only a couple of years at year old school 383 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: back in the day. Yeah, he's been able to accomplish 384 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: quite a bit. And uh, you know, hats off to 385 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: him for for going and have up to the to 386 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: the athletic directors for reaching out to him and bond 387 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: building a relationship with him. For a guy of his 388 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: caliber to come in and hire staff like he did, 389 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: to come alongside him and and and and support him. 390 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: And I mean and think about it. I mean, the 391 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: guys won a lot of ball games in just two years. 392 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: And if you were a young and talented uh cornerback 393 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: or young and talented wide receiver and and you had 394 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity to study to be great like Deon Sanders, 395 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I might consider going to that college. 396 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: And Dean Sanders brings a lot to the table. Uh. 397 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: You know my understand that there's a lot of uh 398 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: charitable contribution has been made to the program since he's 399 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: been there. Uh, there's a lot of eyes on the programs. Uh. 400 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: There are a lot of players that are participating in 401 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: the Neil the New Neil opportunities, uh name like there's 402 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: an images that they that you get to participate in. 403 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: And and so you know, the playing field, you know, 404 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: though it hasn't been totally leveled. You know, to have 405 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 1: a guy like Dion and a professional NFL caliber coaching 406 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: staff bear you know, players want to go to the 407 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: big times, and what better way to enhance that opportunity 408 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: than the goal and be coached by Hall of famers 409 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: and great NFL coaches. You know that's ever done? Absolutely? 410 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: Now he invited you back, Jackie, is he? Because you're 411 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: one of the have you inviting me back? They've been 412 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: very very gracious to me, and the opportunity for me 413 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: to do that will be coming up nice, nice, all right. Now, 414 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: as far as the Super Bowl is concerned, you played 415 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl? How much do you remember from 416 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: the lead up to the game as opposed to the game, Like, 417 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: what's you know? The hype? Now? Two weeks of hype 418 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: before the Super Bowl and all that. It's been that 419 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: way for years. But when you played in the Super Bowl, 420 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: do you remember the hullabaloo before the game or have 421 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: you kind of blocked that out? You only remember the game? Well, 422 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean the holly be a little before the game 423 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: was just us getting there. We were nine and seven 424 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: that year, and in that particular season, we only had 425 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: two offensive linemen to start and play every snap that year, 426 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: as myself and our center Rich Songs, so we were 427 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: beat up. I haven't played next to a guy who's 428 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: in New York stock has changed broker right now named 429 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: Dan Rizig, who had a bad knee that was so 430 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: bad he could hardly straighten it out. But we got 431 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: through games with him and and and he he helped 432 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: us survive and and then down the stretch we got healthy. 433 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: And then we got into the playoffs and you know, 434 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 1: we next thing, you know, we're we're thumping running uh 435 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: the Tampa Big Bucks. I was. It was just beating 436 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: the people that that you know, we end up up 437 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 1: setting people to get to where we were. And by 438 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: the time we got to the Super Bowl, you know, 439 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: all that I'm thinking about it is I gotta block 440 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: l C. Greenwood North for us to have a snow 441 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: ball chance in Haydes are winning this ball game. And 442 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: this is one of the most prolific pass rushers that 443 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: the game has ever known. Is one of the best 444 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: defensive lineman that has ever played the game. And I 445 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: am responsible for dealing with him. So any ticket requests 446 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: or anything that had to do with the logistics of 447 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: playing that Super Bowl, it went over my head and 448 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: I I delegated it. Uh, loaded my wife over those 449 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: responsibilities and anybody else I could put your mythv because 450 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: it was my priority not to go and get embarrassed 451 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: in Super Bowl fourteen with a hundred and three thousand 452 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: people than people, wasn't that game and so? And I 453 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: think that was the way it was for a lot 454 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: of the guys who were playing a lot of football 455 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: and uh, and it gave us a chance, you know, 456 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: we we were the eleven minutes to go in that 457 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: ball game. As you know, we had to lead and 458 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: an opportunity to win the game. And I'm one of 459 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: the few people I teased Terry Branshaw on the cage 460 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 1: and when I see him, Uh remember throwing the block 461 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: one time and I rolled over on their sideline and 462 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: and just about it into the bench area there, you know, 463 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: a couple of yards on their side of of the sideline. 464 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: And I stood up and looked right into Terry Bradshawn's face, 465 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: and all you can see on his face was we 466 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: are getting that rear hands kicked by That was all 467 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: you can see on his face. And I'll tease him 468 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: about that all occasion that I'm wanted a few men 469 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: in the world that knows what he looks like when 470 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: he thinks he's losing the super Bowl. They wanted, they wanted, 471 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: and he was the difference maker in it. But each 472 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: year was looking depressed at that moment. Yeah, and well, 473 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: and you mentioned that that particular year you guys were 474 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: kind of struggling along during the regular season, you end 475 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: up going to the Super Bowl. What was the team 476 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: that was the most talented Rams team you played on 477 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: that didn't didn't end up going to the Super Bowl? 478 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: Was there one that stood out that you thought, Man, 479 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: that team was the super Bowl team and it just 480 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: didn't work out. Oh? Yeah, I had several And uh, 481 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people will tell you that 482 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: the Rams super Bowl teams of the seventies in mid eighties, 483 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: we're the most talented football teams that ever were assembled 484 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: that did not make it too and win a Super Bowl. 485 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm I'm looking at Jack young Blood 486 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: and Fred Dryer and and I'm i'm Reggie Dawson, Cody Jones, 487 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: and I mean, it's just a ton of Nolan Cromwell, 488 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: hacks All Reynolds and Jim young Blood and Pat Thomas 489 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: and Rob Perry and Doug France and Dennis Hair and 490 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: Rich Fall and and the list goes on. The Vince Ferraga. 491 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: The list goes on and on and on. Man, these 492 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: are the legitimate big time drafts, uh, big time draft 493 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: churches that were assembled to to dominate their positions. And 494 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: I like to think we all did that, but we 495 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, we just came up and it was always Dallas, 496 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: always Minnesota. My seventies six, we go to Minnesota and uh, 497 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: we're we're getting getting ready to go to a super Bowl, 498 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, boom boom boom, and 499 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: we're out of it. We're out of it, and Vikings 500 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: beat us. And then every year after that we were 501 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: in in the thick of the playoffs. Everybody had high 502 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: expectations and and then we just somehow managed to lose 503 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: our way out of it, and so that was unfortunate. 504 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: But now brighter days are here. You know, we gotta 505 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: gotta talented team here in l A with a lot 506 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: of opportunity, and uh, you know, I'm looking forward to 507 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: running them from these guys this weekend. So I'm sorry 508 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: to cut it off, being but I got I need 509 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: to do something here, all right. Thank you, Jackie, I 510 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: appreciate it, buddy, Thank you. It was nice to have 511 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: met you. And thanks for reaching out, all right, Jackie, 512 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: all right, thank you then