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Speaker 1: Reveal reveale.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, Tim Jesus.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Do you want about.

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Speaker 1: Using?

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Speaker 2: Will be luck?

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Speaker 3: It's time to band.

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Speaker 4: Player, haters, masturbaders mk or is welcome one and all.

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Speaker 4: It's time for morning combat on this I think eleventh

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Speaker 4: of November twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Happy Veterans Day for you.

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Speaker 1: Now you realize eleven eleven.

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Speaker 4: About Time's got a bunch of Osama Bin Lattin's in

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Speaker 4: this goddamn audio here.

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Speaker 2: Wow, but how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Everyone?

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Speaker 4: I am merely one half of your hosting duo. My

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Speaker 4: name is Luke Thomas. I joined you well normally from Washington, DC.

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Speaker 4: We're here in our New York City studios in Middle

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Speaker 4: Ark Media, joined by the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He has many other.

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Speaker 4: Designations, but the legal name Farty mcphart fart No, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 4: don't I'm.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm salty this morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I can't.

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Speaker 2: I can't really put my finger on it. But get ready, Okay,

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Speaker 2: but bite down, buckle up, because you have.

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Speaker 1: Problems sleeping this weekend. No, No, sleeping was okay, sleeping

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Speaker 1: was all right?

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Speaker 4: Uh, getting at any fist fights with the neighbors.

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Speaker 1: No, I love my neighbors.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just gonna power through, all right, I'm

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Speaker 2: just gonna you know, maybe it's because of this, Wow.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's because we have two massive, massive, freaking combat

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Speaker 2: sports like pay per viewish type events one night after another.

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Speaker 2: And as we were talking about off camera, I'm more

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Speaker 2: worried about the results of the main events of both

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Speaker 2: in terms of like not only not living up to

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Speaker 2: the entertainment expectations, but the potential fallout expectations when we

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Speaker 2: bring in John Jones there that I'm just sort of like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a big week, but like, what the fuck is

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Speaker 4: I will say this, this is true across the board.

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Speaker 4: We have two excellent co main event rematches this weekend,

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Speaker 4: which both of them are pretty great. Neither are perfect,

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Speaker 4: but I don't really have any complain about it. The

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Speaker 4: Hard Course for the Hard Course, both on the Amanda

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Speaker 4: Serrano Katie Taylor to card Well co main event on

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Speaker 4: the pauld Tyson card, and then of course the rematch

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Speaker 4: between Chandler and Olivera on the UFC three or nine cars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, say both of those, I'll take it, okay.

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Speaker 2: And it was a pretty fun weekend of boxing which

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Speaker 2: is my favorite sports, so maybe I should bring it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, I agree with you that there's a

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Speaker 4: lot that is being there's a problem with both events

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Speaker 4: this weekend that it's hard to ignore. Yes, but there's

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Speaker 4: also a lot of interesting elements to it as well,

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Speaker 4: as we're coming off of a pretty great weekend in

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Speaker 2: Without spoiling our discussions today, are you more worried that

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Speaker 2: that this is a scripted hugfest because both scenarios would suck.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually more concerned that it would be a hug fest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, because you can be stupid. You can't be

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Speaker 4: stupid and boring. That's the one thing you can't do,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So remember the Nate Robinson

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Speaker 4: fight was really ridiculous and for as long as it lasted,

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Speaker 4: but then he knocked the gold coins out of him.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes he did.

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Speaker 1: So it was all a same dude. People forget this.

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Speaker 4: The second Jake Paul Tyron Woodley fight was able up

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Speaker 4: until he landed that ridiculous, thunderous ko and then everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: it's a great ko.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Bony's just pissing me off a lot lately.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's my issue. He's doing a lot of talking

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Speaker 2: I'd like to talk to on Instagram, but he doesn't

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Speaker 4: Let's bring in our third member here of the of

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Speaker 4: the Cruiso to speak. He is a degenerate gambler, but

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Speaker 1: One at that.

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Speaker 2: Who has merched this week?

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Speaker 1: He does have mercher.

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Speaker 5: Yes that's true, guys. Merch is out main card Minute

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Speaker 5: dot com cops, it's long Island.

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Speaker 1: Look, how did the betting go on Saturday? Betting went good?

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Speaker 5: Only bet we missed was the main event. We had

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Speaker 5: but we ended up doing a little bonus boxing hit

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Speaker 1: Pretty good week, right, Uh. I will say this if

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Speaker 4: We're gonna talk about it, I think, and we already

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Speaker 4: knew this, right. I'm not saying anything like revelatory, but

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Speaker 4: it's just kind of one of those weeks where you

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Speaker 1: This Jake Paul Mike.

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Speaker 4: Tyson fight is going to be massive because I have

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, these are these are nerds okay, quite

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Speaker 4: the good guy the Washington DC kind. Yes, the kind

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Speaker 4: And they're like, are.

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Speaker 1: You going to be watching this?

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Speaker 4: Mike Tyson? And I'm like, do you really? Are you

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Speaker 4: all gonna watch this? They're all like, we can't wait.

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Speaker 1: And even my even did I tell you this? My

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Speaker 1: dad asked me last week. No, following the election. I

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Speaker 1: who Joe Rogan is. It's like, yeah, I might have

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Speaker 2: He's not even close, you know, Just wake up.

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Speaker 4: I have seen people say that Joe Rogan is five

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Speaker 4: is BC. I will admit that because we didn't stand

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Speaker 1: All that much. He's not five three. Okay, my wife

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Speaker 2: I never even thought about or considered his height in

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Speaker 2: one ninety nine and you were on Reddit backstage and

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Speaker 2: I never I can ever met Rogan. Let me go

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Speaker 1: He just stopped.

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Speaker 2: It was very similar to when I was at ESPN

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Speaker 2: day to promote their third fight, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: You're just like, it's just like that.

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Speaker 2: But hey, shout out to But here's my question And

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Speaker 2: Bony afterwards? I know that's Joe's job. That would be

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Speaker 2: THEATA if DC, especially if DC is like, what are

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Speaker 1: Dex John?

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Speaker 2: And then like how he fields that reaction. Hey, UFC,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening, because you'll probably try to ban something

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Speaker 2: from have you seen this shit coming up after the

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Speaker 2: for a while.

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Speaker 1: Please let that happen. Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I was also wondering this, and I'm being dead serious.

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Speaker 4: I don't obviously it's not politically necessary anymore. Do we

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Speaker 4: think Trump makes an appearance? Is there a prop bet

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Speaker 4: on that? Is there a prop bet on that Long Island?

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Speaker 5: Luke? There probably is. I think he definitely he's gonna

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Speaker 5: get the famous Trump You think so?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, will it be with like the full brigade, Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 2: Kid Rock Hunter?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how that Kid Rock.

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Speaker 2: Did say publicly that he was going to leave the

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Speaker 1: Yuess he's staying. I guess he's in one of the

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Speaker 4: All right, With that in mind, let's remind everyone we've

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Speaker 4: got socials.

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Speaker 1: Throw out the social graphic.

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Speaker 4: Look at you got TikTok, you got ig, you even

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Speaker 1: It's the Brian Campbell experience is just Brian Campbell, I

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Speaker 2: now it is the Brian Campbeck and.

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Speaker 4: Of course Luke Thomas in various different ways, none of

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Speaker 4: which are consistent across various platforms. That's what they say,

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Speaker 4: really matters when you're not consistent and people can't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you don't know your own name and you

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Speaker 1: That's really good. It's really good.

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Speaker 4: And then of course we do have merch morning combat,

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Speaker 4: so it's like it's like schroding jurors merch, Like if

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Speaker 4: you don't actually look into it, it probably is still there.

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Speaker 4: But I got this jacket, you've got the hoodie and

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Speaker 4: the hat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, technically that are presenting right now. And uh, that's it.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well we see if you want to get started,

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Speaker 4: we can get started. Well, I'm gonna tell you. I

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Speaker 4: We go, all right with that in mind, let's get

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Speaker 4: topic number one going ufc APEX one hundred whatever you

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Speaker 4: want to call it was over the weekend the UFC,

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Speaker 4: pardon me, return to the Apex with on paper a

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Speaker 4: card that was not full of a lot of interesting fights,

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Speaker 4: but I think it did deliver some pretty good action

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Speaker 4: along the way, but most importantly in the main event.

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Speaker 1: Carlos and this is how they called them on the broadcast. Protests.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Carlos protest.

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Speaker 4: Carlos protests. That's what I'm gonna repeat. I'm gonna repeat

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Speaker 4: what this said in the broadcast, because.

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Speaker 2: Are you getting the feeling that people don't love that

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Speaker 2: you preamble and then pick the the hardest way to

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Speaker 1: So, here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: No, I thought I hit on the on the temple.

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Speaker 4: Two things really stood out to me, one which we

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Speaker 2: And you know, I love when guys are when guys

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Speaker 2: I think it makes it even more intriguing because you,

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Speaker 1: Where you disappointed that.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get to see him abuse substances in the

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Speaker 4: There's no way, but this just kind of tells you

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Speaker 4: As I mentioned one ko a quarter. Doesn't really get

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Speaker 2: You know, I love the irreverence side of this game.

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Speaker 1: I mean when they win.

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Speaker 2: Demopolis jumps in the arms of the interview, Eileen Perez

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Speaker 2: We've seen a few of those things. What about for protest,

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Speaker 2: we allow him under UFC rules that if he wins,

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Speaker 2: we bring in this giant wheel. We used to do

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Speaker 2: they could have they need to have on ready alcohol, cigarettes, weed, bbls,

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Speaker 4: Alone with what would you say is the likelihood he's

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: I mean was he a US Marine? I didn't think

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Speaker 1: Yes, that was yesterday, But what year are we in

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Speaker 2: I don't know all right, jokes aside, jokes aside. We

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Speaker 4: I will say this first of all, I want to

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Speaker 4: of the top teams in MMA. They certainly are, and

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Speaker 4: Listen to this is give me the roster who is well,

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Speaker 4: this is all.

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Speaker 1: Time UFC records.

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Speaker 4: Kyle Bohalio seven and zero, Carlos Protests four and oh

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Speaker 4: he fights this weekend, and a fight he is favorite

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Speaker 2: We shall see Mauricio date ripe drugs name, Oh.

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Speaker 4: Roofie, Well, it reads like Mauricio Ruffi in English, you

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Speaker 2: Turns out his nickname is ghb.

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Speaker 1: Who but it's Hoofy because it's Portuguese anyway.

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Speaker 1: I will say this.

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Speaker 4: I will say this, I don't want to diminish anyone's

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Speaker 4: There is so many reasons as we just articulated, to

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Speaker 4: You know, JDM would be a much tougher fight Jack.

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Speaker 1: He might have.

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Speaker 2: He called them Jake though, but he called them out twice.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but also you know, you're getting to a

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Speaker 1: No question at all.

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Speaker 2: Yes, zero, get him a T shirt on the UFC Star.

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Speaker 1: I'd wear it right now.

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Speaker 4: Let's stay with the hard for a minute if we can.

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Speaker 4: And it's rye rainier.

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Speaker 1: So he told me on the phone I used to

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Speaker 1: interview him that it was r Neier. We're calling him

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Speaker 4: Right, We're gonna stick with Erner to Ritter. He did

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Speaker 1: To the UFC's middleweight division.

446
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Speaker 2: I think there were questions about him cutting to one

447
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Speaker 2: eighty five for the first time in a handful of

448
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Speaker 2: years due to the one rehydration system that they have

449
00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 2: there where you're basically a light heavyweight fighting at middleweight.

450
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Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing he failed in this test,

451
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Speaker 2: if you will, against somebody who's not considered a great

452
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Speaker 2: striker in GM three is where was the head movement,

453
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Speaker 2: slash defense, slash anything. It was as if he was

454
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Speaker 2: just willing to stand there and take whatever punishment he

455
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Speaker 2: needed to to get into the position to try to

456
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Speaker 2: set up the type of finish that he ultimately got looke.

457
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Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm wrong. We saw some intoxicating grappling

458
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Speaker 2: back and forth. He's gonna bring that to the table.

459
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Speaker 2: He's super confident. He dyed the hair blonde, which is interesting.

460
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Speaker 2: He's coming in there with a lot of swagger. But

461
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Speaker 2: as good as the win was and as good as

462
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Speaker 2: you can say, yeah, could he beat top ten guys?

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see that. Look.

464
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Speaker 2: I asked you that question on Friday Show. Whether you

465
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Speaker 2: know is his stand up anywhere close to the quality

466
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Speaker 2: of his ground game? No, we knew that coming in.

467
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Speaker 2: But it's one thing to say somebody doesn't have a

468
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Speaker 2: great stand up, and it's another thing to say, I

469
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Speaker 2: don't even think he's attempting to block or move away

470
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Speaker 2: from punches. He's just willing to eat that. It's not

471
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Speaker 2: gonna lie. You're not gonna last with that. And we've

472
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Speaker 2: seen him get crushed before moving up and fighting Mallikin

473
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Speaker 2: of course and losing twice to him. But I don't

474
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Speaker 2: know if I can get past that.

475
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Speaker 1: Let me let me throw a proposed fight at you.

476
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Speaker 1: See what you think he just won? Right? We just

477
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Speaker 1: had Rich Franklin on Yes, and I mentioned to Rich

478
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Speaker 1: not anole.

479
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Speaker 4: An ahole, and I had mentioned to him that his

480
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Speaker 4: record of beat downs in the Middleway Division over David

481
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Speaker 4: Luazo had just been broken by Anthony Hernandez Vernier de

482
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Speaker 4: Ritter versus Anthony Hernandez. I remember Hernandez has a go

483
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Speaker 4: and a motor like nobody else. Good submission defense, good

484
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Speaker 4: submission attacks. Remember subbed Vienna right, which was like a

485
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Speaker 4: fucking mind blowing at the time.

486
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Speaker 1: What do you think of that matchup?

487
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Speaker 6: Oh?

488
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd love to see it.

489
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Speaker 2: I'd love to see how the ground games match up

490
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Speaker 2: against each other. But isn't that the same equation I'm

491
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Speaker 2: sort of pitching back to you of like I can't

492
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Speaker 2: get over the fact and I love already r Iven

493
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Speaker 2: interviewed on a bunch of times in his one days.

494
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Speaker 2: I think I like the way he looks at the game.

495
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Speaker 2: But were you as alarmed as I was, Luke that

496
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Speaker 2: there wasn't even like a I don't want to say,

497
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Speaker 2: an understanding. He wasn't making it a priority at all

498
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Speaker 2: with the punch with the punch defense, I mean, and like,

499
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Speaker 2: that's not going to work at this level. It's just

500
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Speaker 2: not against anyone past, you know, I mean can you

501
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Speaker 2: be guys from ten to fifteen is their wins?

502
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Speaker 1: You can get this level? Sure?

503
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Speaker 2: What do you think was that? Was that more of

504
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: just nerves coming into the UFC or is that a

505
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: continuation of he doesn't prioritize that his game is to

506
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Speaker 2: get you to the ground. We all know that coming in,

507
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Speaker 2: but you're not going to get to that point if

508
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Speaker 2: you employ that type of style out there.

509
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Speaker 1: I think he's big for the weight class. Looked he

510
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Speaker 1: looked it. He he got gassed.

511
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Speaker 4: Let's be fair, he got really gassed. He went for

512
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Speaker 4: thirteen takedowns. He scored five of them. Now, in fairness,

513
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Speaker 4: I kind of look at the other metric, which is

514
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Speaker 4: how many did you get each round? And he got

515
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Speaker 4: a takedown in every round, two in the first, two

516
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Speaker 4: in the second, and one in the third. Obviously closed

517
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Speaker 4: the show in the third. I share your concerns. His

518
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 4: balance is weird. Like guys who are good about grappling

519
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 4: and about in particular good about grappling from guard position

520
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 4: will sometimes fall off their feet and then just accept

521
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Speaker 4: it because now they can feel like they can immediately

522
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Speaker 4: transition into guard plays.

523
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Speaker 2: So they kind of go with the punch. They kind

524
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Speaker 2: of let it land and go with it and.

525
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Speaker 4: Move, or they won't hold themselves in some kind of,

526
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Speaker 4: you know, very balanced position because they're just not super

527
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Speaker 4: worried about the consequences of what it means to go

528
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Speaker 4: to that. And I think that's, in modern mma, a

529
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Speaker 4: tragic mistake. I really think it's a bad idea that

530
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 4: seemed to be a problem with him. Also, the head movement,

531
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Speaker 4: I certainly agree. Just not a lot of effort in

532
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 4: terms of striking, defense, gassing was kind of bad.

533
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Speaker 1: Some of these things.

534
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Speaker 4: I definitely think of the product of fighting here this

535
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 4: time in this way for the UFC. So we'll see

536
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Speaker 4: how much it continues.

537
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Speaker 2: And it's not like I didn't have these concerns in

538
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Speaker 2: one He just for the you know of the film

539
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Speaker 2: I saw in the fights I watched, had success dragging

540
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Speaker 2: people down and getting right into that. I mean, would

541
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Speaker 2: you say his ability to take people to the ground

542
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Speaker 2: is super elite on the level of his submission skills

543
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Speaker 2: or even that delayed dragged down takedown attempt, he gonna

544
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Speaker 2: have problems with that.

545
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Speaker 3: On this line.

546
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Speaker 4: So I actually feel like those when he gets the

547
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Speaker 4: body lock and he can't get the double and then

548
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 4: he switches to like he hooks the leg and then

549
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Speaker 4: pulls them in a circle.

550
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Speaker 1: He commits he can.

551
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Speaker 4: That's actually like what more modern takedowns are going in MMA.

552
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Speaker 4: So I actually feel like he's in good shape for that. Okay,

553
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 4: so that part is great. And on the floor again,

554
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Speaker 4: I think he's a little too willing to concede position

555
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Speaker 4: because he feels like he has attack there. The thing

556
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Speaker 4: for me that I think everyone has to keep in

557
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 4: mind with reneerd Rittter is there is no doubt in

558
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Speaker 4: my mind he can beat top ten guys. And that

559
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Speaker 4: is not in any way a contradiction to say he

560
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 4: can also lose to somebody viciously outside of the top ten.

561
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Speaker 4: He doesn't have a lock on it because of some

562
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Speaker 4: of these issues you've identified, whether it's gas tank, whether

563
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Speaker 4: it's defense, whether it's a willingness to attack from certain positions.

564
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Speaker 1: Cody, excuse me.

565
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Speaker 4: Corey Sanhagen had the same problem for a while, where

566
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Speaker 4: guys would lift him off.

567
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Speaker 1: Of his feet, he'd start playing.

568
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Speaker 4: Guard and it's like, dude, you got to get out

569
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Speaker 4: of there unless you've got a Charles olavera type guard.

570
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Speaker 1: And in fairness, de Ritter has a very good guard.

571
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Speaker 4: But I just feel like that instinct is going to

572
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Speaker 4: make just falling over like that, and it's been multiple

573
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 4: times in the fight or like a failed Ucci Mada

574
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 4: that didn't work. He just slides off like someone flicking

575
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 4: a booger off their finger.

576
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Speaker 1: It's just a bad look.

577
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: Well, not everybody's gonna take that bait, and he's not

578
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: gonna have success taking down everyone, So then it's automatically

579
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: going to fall on what can you do in the

580
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: stand up? And again, like we've seen guys with limited

581
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Speaker 2: stand up be able to hang or use their stand.

582
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Speaker 1: Up the best they can think of.

583
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Speaker 2: The evolution have been made to service what they want

584
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: to do on the ground. But I don't know, I

585
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: got more questions and answers coming off of this win

586
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Speaker 2: and coming in. I'm an RDR fan who wanted the

587
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 2: what does he call himself.

588
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: The Dutch Knight, the Dutch Knight? Yes, of the Dark Knight.

589
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want to I mean, are you

590
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: still in when he said coming in? When he signed

591
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: he said, look, I want to fight bon Nickel. Are

592
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: you in on the idea of him fighting the winner

593
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: of Bonnickel Paul Craig.

594
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Speaker 4: The problem is it's like de Ritter is a better

595
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Speaker 4: version of Paul Creig. I don't know if he's a

596
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 4: radically different version. I don't know what the point of

597
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 4: doing those back to back would be. Let me read

598
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: you some names here at middleweight. Tell me if you

599
00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 4: think Jerridter can beat them. Okay, Michelle Pereta, Yes, bullet

600
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: Maga Madoff.

601
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: That's a you know what, that's a hell of a fight.

602
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Okay, as long as fight.

603
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: That's a hell of a fight.

604
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: On the feet. He's gonna get tuned up on the round.

605
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: He's a dangerous but.

606
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: They both have to be fair Donkish qualities.

607
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 4: They definitely both have Donkish qualities. Then thirteen Anthony Hernandez.

608
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: I think Hernandez is a horrible fight for I.

609
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: Agree with you on that. I think Hernandez will gas

610
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: him out too. Paulo Costa.

611
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,160
Speaker 2: No COASTI will knock him out.

612
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 4: Costill will knock him out, I think. And there's the leads.

613
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: That's a little bit more back and forth because style.

614
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the contrast in the styles will make that. But

615
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: I could see him getting stoppedy.

616
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Speaker 1: But then you go up the list.

617
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: Brendan Allen, Jared Cannoneer, Marvin Vittoria, Kyle Bohalio that could

618
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 4: he win one of those? Maybe he could win. Maybe

619
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: the Brendan Allen won he could win, for example. But

620
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: like I just read you names, well outside the top ten,

621
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Speaker 4: Bluffy Hernandez at thirteen, that's a horrible matchup for him.

622
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Speaker 1: This is what I mean.

623
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Speaker 4: He can beat top ten guys and easily lose the

624
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Speaker 4: top fifteen guys, no problem.

625
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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you mean of him gassing out so badly?

626
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 2: Was it because they both committed so aggressively to not

627
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: just scrappling, but to constantly adjust on it, you know, reversity.

628
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,959
Speaker 2: I mean there was a lot going on that was

629
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: using up that gas tank. Or was it potentially tied

630
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: to the idea of that he's making one eighty five

631
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: now where he didn't physically have to in the past.

632
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 4: Yes, I think the fact that he has to make

633
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: one eighty five again, he looked enormous for this weight class.

634
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: He looked like sucked. I mean he looked like, yeah

635
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: he had that Elon musk bird chest. So I guess

636
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: what it's.

637
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 2: Those are the seeds for a question of do you

638
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: think he'd be better at two o five? Where he'd

639
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: be facing heavier hitters, but he may have more physical resources.

640
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 4: I think we'll eventually see him up there. People as

641
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 4: the age are just going to move up there a

642
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 4: chair and again go back to combat sports. This is

643
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: this is a world where we ask you to drain

644
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 4: twenty thirty pounds off your body and then perform maximally.

645
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: You're not going to We're.

646
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 2: Asking Kayla Harrison to do that abandon wait for example.

647
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: But I wonder if you know, light heavyway is a

648
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: lot more narrow of a pool, a lot less overly

649
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: skilled guys compared to middleweight. I wonder if he could

650
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 2: have better success there. But hey, it's one fight and

651
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: he got the win. I don't mean to put so

652
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: much negative on him. He did he was supposed to do.

653
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Him pass the test against a guy who could have

654
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: solved him if he wasn't ready. I just can't get

655
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: past the mindset of watching him strike defense like this.

656
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 4: I'm not going through that dars underneath and then like

657
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: slipping out and then reaching for it like like someone

658
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: ascending to heaven and you're trying to pull them back

659
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 4: or something.

660
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: I was like, that is a bad look. You know.

661
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 2: That was his fight in the storyline or surrounding him

662
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 2: was one of the highlights of this card that I

663
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: thought was very weak on paper and I thought played

664
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: out pretty weakly.

665
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: I think I just think this is he an exciting

666
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 4: addition to the middleweight division, potentially to your point two

667
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 4: a five. There's no question I'm happy he's here and

668
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: ultimately getting the dub getting the finish very important because

669
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: GM three is gonna be hard to sub sure, tons

670
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 4: of problems. I don't know if he'll be champion. I

671
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 4: feel like there's plenty of reasons to suggest not. But

672
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: I do think when you see his name on the

673
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: roster on a card, it's gonna be against somebody good

674
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: and he's gonna have a legit shot time, and either

675
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: way it's going to be fun.

676
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: I'm not against it, you know. I always fall in

677
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: love with sluggers, which is the opposite of our dr

678
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: but it's the same principle. I'm not against flawed people

679
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: who can be anybody at any given time. Is that

680
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: why I love Brian will take us so much? Or

681
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: is it his DM and female history.

682
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: You're really are gonna have to ask yourself that question.

683
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: In the mayor at the end of the day.

684
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: But either way, the sexiest division right now is middleweight

685
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 2: and we've got yet another major.

686
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: Player to this, so this is not a bad BC.

687
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 4: Before we move on from this, anyone else on this

688
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 4: card worthy of a shout out or otherwise had a

689
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 4: good performance.

690
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: How about Demon blacksheer running?

691
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: I was Cody, Yeah, like the way it went, not

692
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 4: not that he won, but that it was like barely straightforward.

693
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: Now, Cody's lost three in a row, He's lost six

694
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: of his last eight. He's in his late thirties.

695
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: We have to be realistic of that.

696
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: There was command in that. I mean, did you like

697
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: Denny say Golmes in the featured prelim that it took

698
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: her the distance against Carolina, but she she proved that

699
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: she's making games or you didn't even watch the fight.

700
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: I did see it, I just didn't think much of it.

701
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: All right, Well, who else stood out for you on

702
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: this card?

703
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 4: Treshaun Gore doing a good job of getting rid of

704
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 4: Mackenzie durned significant other at Tonioli.

705
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: That was one sided.

706
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: Also local dude Matthew Smlsberger getting just wiped out inside

707
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: of a minute by Charles Radke.

708
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: Charles Radkey, who is.

709
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: Who once got sun by practish who.

710
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 4: Did and also got a potty mouth, likes to say

711
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 4: real mean things to the audience.

712
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

713
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: Oh, can we shout out a couple of things on

714
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: this card?

715
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: Who?

716
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: I couldn't put it in? Have you seen this shit

717
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: because of the copyrights? But who is the female in

718
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: the first fight? That one Melissa Mullins, She had the

719
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: raygun Olympic celebration.

720
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Shout out? Is it Melissa Moans Mullins, Yeah, okay?

721
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: And also Jillian Robertson bringing the twelve six anus elbow

722
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: shot to the forefront. Would love to show that video

723
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: right now, but have a lot of fears.

724
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 4: You know, this used to be a proper segment and

725
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 4: then they've neutered us, and know what we can do

726
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 4: about it?

727
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean right to the damn a noose? Like, what

728
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: do you think about twelve six to the whole?

729
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: What do you think about that?

730
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: I had never thought of it until she did it,

731
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 4: and I was like, that's got to be I can't

732
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 4: feel great, right, No, no long.

733
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't look you ever been elbowed right to the rim?

734
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 6: No?

735
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 5: You know he has hangkfully not but I saw that

736
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 5: happen and I was like, oh my god, that needs

737
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 5: to be and have you seen the ship? And then

738
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 5: someone tagged us on Twitter in that clip, of course.

739
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: And someone asked me that.

740
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 4: Someone asked me was like, hey, why can't someone from

741
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: MK just call UFC and sort this out?

742
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you know how they work? That

743
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: doesn't exist?

744
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: Let me get Dana on the line.

745
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll just call him right up. They'll be very

746
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: I'm sure happy to hear from us.

747
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: All right.

748
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: With that in the mind BC, oh, very quickly, we

749
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 4: have Carlos protests on the punch that put out Mac

750
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: because there were some questions about it's authenticity.

751
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 7: Would the people that I think they should come here

752
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 7: let me give a punch of his head?

753
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 8: And then after they kept ouk because a lot it's.

754
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: A fair point. That is a very fair point. Really.

755
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: The last fight that I remember that I had to

756
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: slow it down and watch it a million times was

757
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 2: the jab that Kimbo got knocked out from Seth Petrozzellimber

758
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: that sort of chopping like but it was a hard one. Yeah, yeah,

759
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: as Kimba was lunging forward, but it was sort of

760
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: like remember at first you're like, what happened, and then

761
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: you're watching it and watching Oh okay, so it had

762
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: to be the perfect shot on the perfect spot at

763
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: the right.

764
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 4: Also, if you've just got great, wicked power and I

765
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: feel like his shot, his punches just extend like whips.

766
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Yes, we've just got this.

767
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 4: Pop at the end, you know, and then very quickly,

768
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: we'll talk about this later. I actually was not sure

769
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: where to put this.

770
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: Sure, oh you're talking about RDL dropping a doogie on tawtry.

771
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, on one championship specifically, I want to play this now.

772
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: We don't have to react to it, but we will

773
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: probably come back to it. But nevertheless, RDR was asked

774
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: essentially about One Championship. He did not have nice things

775
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: to say.

776
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: Roll it.

777
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's been a bad couple of years though, the

778
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 6: stress I've been put through, the stress my family's been

779
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 6: put through to even just get fights, it's it's it

780
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: hasn't been nice. This is something it's hard for me

781
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 6: to talk about because I've had a couple of good

782
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 6: years at one as well. In the beginning, they treated

783
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 6: me well. But over the last couple of years, it's

784
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 6: it's been really bad. And this is something I feel

785
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 6: I have to do for other fighters. If you think

786
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 6: of signing with one championship, don't. It's just it's that simple.

787
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 6: You should not. There's nothing there, there's no fights. It's

788
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 6: you're just wrong if you do this, if you sign there,

789
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 6: this is a bad mistake.

790
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: Do not come, Do not come, do not do not

791
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: ejaculate it. No, not at all. That is a powerful clip.

792
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 4: Remember we had Rich wrinkling on I think two weeks ago,

793
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: whatever it was, and he had said that you know,

794
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: this is still a pending legal matter. I don't know

795
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 4: what that means or in which way it is pending.

796
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: It does not appear to be pending. But for the guys,

797
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: don't give that wasn't just some guy at one that

798
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: was the former double champ at one. That guy has

799
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: a belt. I had a belt because me in two

800
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: weight classes. And that's what he is saying. We'll talk

801
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 4: more about that when we get to one a little

802
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: bit later. Topic number two BC. Let's get to it now.

803
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. Is this weekend can you

804
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: believe excuse me, on the weekend Friday, this Friday on Netflix?

805
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: What time you know?

806
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Along look at you.

807
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 5: You know eight pm is for the main card eight

808
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 5: pm in the as yet, I don't know where the

809
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: prelims are airing. But Netflix is only the main card.

810
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: Okay, They're announced seams like twenty seven deep. They gotta

811
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: give it to them.

812
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: It's an entire football yes, okay, us yeah, not us

813
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: sing get that call practice squad maybe, But it is

814
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: this weekend, and I would argue it's the single biggest

815
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: combat sports fight anywhere happening. I know that's going to

816
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 4: bristle some folks thinking Jones versus Steve Bay is bigger.

817
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I actually don't think it is.

818
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: But it all kind of gets to a different kind

819
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: of question BC, which is what this is what somebody

820
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: has been asking me.

821
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: And I actually think it's worth thinking.

822
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: About what exactly is Jake Paul trying to achieve in

823
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: boxing and what does a win over Mike Tyson do

824
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: to get him there.

825
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: It's weird because before this MIC fight came to Fruition

826
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: and we saw Jake Paul and what back to back?

827
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: Who is his most recent fight? His most recent fight

828
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: was was Mike Perry. Before that, it was back to

829
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: back Prospects Series main events against.

830
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: Andre August I think Paul Bouchap.

831
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, against you know, ex boxers who weren't active, who

832
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: have decent records, And at that point it was like,

833
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: you know, Jake's interviews were like, Hey, I'm a year

834
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: or two away from becoming a legitimate cruiseweight champion, and

835
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: then the mic thing fell back into his lap. And

836
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: I think it was the right event at the right

837
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: time to put Jake on the path of who he

838
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 2: really is the greatest celebrity crossover boxer of our time

839
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: in the face of this crossover bubble that you can

840
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: argue him and his brother started, and certainly Mike Tyson

841
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: put a lot of air into that in twenty twenty

842
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: when he boxs Roy Jones and came back and Troler

843
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: made a lot of money and it was a big

844
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: pandemic hit. So I think he's back on that lane

845
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 2: and should stay on that lane. So what does this

846
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: fight represent the ultimate pinch himself? Oh shit, Look what

847
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: I just did. I mean, look you meant you said

848
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: it could be the biggest, Dude, this is the biggest

849
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: sporting event of the year in combat by a mile,

850
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: in terms of people's attention. I mean, we'll see what

851
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: we'll see what the final metrics are. Not pay per

852
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: view metrics right because it's on Netflix, but if they've

853
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: got nearly three hundred million subscribers as it is, and

854
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: then there's the idea that people who are used to

855
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: buying pay per views can come in at a pay

856
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: per view friendly price of buying one month of Netflix

857
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: to watch it.

858
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: Then you know, for all we know, you could give

859
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: five hundred million people watching this fight.

860
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: So I think for Jake this is the extreme of

861
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: part of the reason why he ever got into this.

862
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: He's a daredevil, risk taker, like already living the dream

863
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: of who he became as a YouTube celebrity, slash actor,

864
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: slash whatever else he's into At the moment, the fighting

865
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 2: thing kind of fell in his lap.

866
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: He went all in on it.

867
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: And what's the biggest thing he can do fight Mike

868
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: Tyson on Netflix?

869
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably it.

870
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 2: So for him, even though this is a case where

871
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: he's very much the favorite and we're you know, expecting

872
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: the worst tear of what he could do to Mike,

873
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, this is the biggest super

874
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 2: Bowl he could get from the idea of doubling and

875
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: tripling his stardom, making a shit ton of money, doing

876
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: a massive event on Netflix everybody's mom and grandma is

877
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: talking about. But I also think this potentially gets him

878
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: closer to what I think is his real cash out,

879
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: which is not winning, in my opinion, winning a real

880
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: world title and going up against a real ranked guy,

881
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: but this belief in his eyes that like, if there's

882
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: anything as big or in the same ballpark, it's fighting Canelo,

883
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 2: which just means fighting the biggest boxing star of the moment.

884
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: This just gets I think this makes that easier to happen.

885
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: In some ways, Canelo's getting older, He's not matching himself

886
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: as aggressively. I'm not saying I want this fighter than

887
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: anybody should, because I think that Jake is just getting

888
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: to a point where it's like he couldn't say no

889
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: to Mike Tyson. None of us can say no. We're

890
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: going to tune in no matter what, even if we're

891
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: against it, or even if we're afraid or whatever. It's

892
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: like the biggest cultural event he can create outside of

893
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: fighting his brother, which who knows, they may pull that

894
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: card one day. It's fighting fifty eight year old Mike Tyson.

895
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: It's fighting somebody that would bring in all the eyeball

896
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: half the people afraid he's gonna die in the ring

897
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: and the other half thinking, oh, he should be able

898
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: to knock this YouTuber out right, which is really the

899
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: selling point of this fight. So I think for Jake,

900
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: it's just taking him close to the end of the game.

901
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 2: How big can he get as a crossover fighter that's

902
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: bringing in the eyeballs and the money. And if we

903
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: have to give Jake credit for one thing outside of

904
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: being the face of this crossover bubble that's still alive,

905
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 2: is he's bringing a lot of young fans into this

906
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: and this fight will bring in young and old, all

907
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: across the board. But I think it does get him

908
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: closer to like, what is his true ceiling? Is it

909
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: winning a world title? I mean, could he get ranked

910
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 2: and getting up Yeah, WBC people like that, They're waiting

911
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: to put him in a title fight tomorrow. I just

912
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: don't think he will stay in that lane and get

913
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: those records it wins. I think he'll stay in this lane,

914
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 2: But could this lane lead him to that giant cash

915
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: out of whoever the biggest star in the moment is

916
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: in boxing, probably still Canelo. In a couple of years.

917
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: I think it does get him closer to that. I'm

918
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: not saying I'm into that, but look, what is Jake

919
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: benall about? Taking big chances, pinching himself, him and his

920
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: brother and saying, look at us. You know one of

921
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: us is in WWE, the other one is fighting Mike ty,

922
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke. It's been a pretty crazy ride. Lover

923
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 2: hate Jake that we're actually here, Like, look from where

924
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: he started, that we're actually here. This could be the

925
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: big is Could this be the biggest sports of end

926
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: of the year. No, no, no, I'm not even close

927
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: to that. But like, we can't underestimate to your point

928
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: what this is. So do they have a responsibility to

929
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: entertain us? That's my big question.

930
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: I want to get to that in a minute, but

931
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: I think I have a way to describe what Jake

932
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: Paul is trying to do.

933
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: Tell me if you think this is close or not.

934
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: It is not that Jake Paul doesn't care about getting

935
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 4: some legitimacy from the from the legitimacy granting architecture of boxing,

936
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 4: a belt, a world title, decent ranking. Some of that

937
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: is definitely important, and some of that are things he

938
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: is looking for, But what he's really looking for. What

939
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: is Jake Paul trying to get out of boxing? He

940
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 4: is trying to become the highest paid, biggest attraction in

941
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: the sport of boxing dot dot dot without necessarily having

942
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: all of those credentials to do it.

943
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: That is the goal. He wants to be the guy.

944
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: How do you cut the line? Do this? How do

945
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: you cut the line? How do you?

946
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: And and by the way, when we say cut the line,

947
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: it's like he's creating the terms of his own line

948
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: to get here.

949
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: And it's weird and I don't know if it's going

950
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: to work.

951
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 2: That's interesting as much as everyone's making this event about Mike,

952
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: and in a lot of way storyline wise, it's.

953
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: It's the j So I did this thing. I did.

954
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 4: I didn't know much about the channel. I found out

955
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: a little bit afterwards, but I did. I did like

956
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 4: a five minute segment on this channel called News Nation.

957
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: It's like an eighty million homes. It's supposed to be

958
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: nominally centrist. I think it's not, but neither. It doesn't matter.

959
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 4: They had me off for like a sports segment, and

960
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 4: I remember the producer asked me ahead of time, because

961
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes they like they screen you ahead of time. Yeah,

962
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 4: and the producer and then the host asked me the

963
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 4: same question. They're like, is Mike just in this for

964
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: a money grab? And I'm like, I don't know how

965
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 4: to answer that. Lady, that's what the sport is, Like,

966
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 4: what what does that mean?

967
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: Like, you're in it for the money, that's what they

968
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: that's that's that's all that they do. Like, I don't

969
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: know how to answer that question exactly.

970
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 4: You think he's in this because he's like desperate to

971
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 4: beat Jake Paul and some kind of like my career.

972
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: Depends on it kind of thing. I don't think that's right.

973
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: I do think he's trying to win, But yeah, of

974
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 4: course he's trying to get paid. This is the Jake

975
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: Paul story. He is facilitating a very basic need. And right,

976
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: let's be clear about this. How I've said this before.

977
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 4: How many times have you heard a Jake Paul opponent

978
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 4: complain about their pay Never it doesn't happen, it doesn't exist.

979
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: You can hate who the guy is and call this

980
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 4: fight stupid. Both of those things are fair to say.

981
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 4: But the reality is when people are like, well, I

982
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 4: was my geting it for the money? Yeah, motherfucker. That's

983
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 4: the name of the game. What kind of a statement

984
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: is that. But Jake Paul, to your point, is kind

985
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 4: of the center, the nucleus of this entire operation. Now,

986
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: if he loses and like, oh my god, if he

987
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: gets viciously chaoed, well, then the whole thing is terribly

988
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: imperiled at that point.

989
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure what rehab would look here.

990
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: Are you suggesting that if Jake Paul gets knocked out

991
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 2: by Mike Tyson that his entire boxing career and ability

992
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: to draw is shot and done.

993
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: I don't think that, no, But I think, for example,

994
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 4: we had talked to him.

995
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: When do we interview him in Florida?

996
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 4: So that was the second Woodly fight, Yes, And we

997
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 4: sat down with Jake and we asked him, like, what's

998
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: your goal here? And he was like, you know, I

999
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 4: want to get a fight against Canelo, and both of

1000
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: us kind of fucking laughed in his face about it.

1001
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 4: We weren't trying to be mean, but like it was

1002
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: our gut reaction. It sounded so ludicrous, And I want

1003
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 4: to be clear, I still think it's pretty ludicrous, or

1004
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 4: at least it's hard to see that happening. Anytime soon,

1005
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: we'll see them.

1006
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: The line isn't Canalo making us feel like he's getting

1007
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: closer to that?

1008
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: I means, okay, but Canelo would still fuck him up. Problem,

1009
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: that's the problem, Like he would still.

1010
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: But the point is can Jake, like, can Jake use

1011
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 2: this fight to become an even deeper heel and make

1012
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: mad so many casual fans that they will then go

1013
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: out of their way to follow him on pay per

1014
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: view and pay to see him lose. Yes, And then

1015
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: that's the only way the Canelo the payoff would make sense.

1016
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 4: He got the real, big, significant lift picking a fight

1017
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 4: with MMA. Sure he had that kind of failed attempt

1018
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 4: against Tommy Fury, but if he can pick a fight

1019
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 4: against boxing in a way so to speak, where I'm

1020
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 4: gonna do the same same model you did against the

1021
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: MMA guys, Get the older guys kind of washed, you

1022
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 4: know whatever, but it's still adored, big name, and then

1023
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: go beat the beat the shit out of them. Do

1024
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 4: that in boxing, now you gotta play.

1025
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: It pro wrestling. He will want on one, He'll ay.

1026
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: But this is my point. It's like, well, let's do this.

1027
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: Let me let me play a couple of assets here

1028
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 4: from Mike Tyson because he's doing I think I wouldn't

1029
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: say a great job promoting this fight, but I definitely

1030
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: wouldn't say a bad one. Netflix is trying to make

1031
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: him sound cool. They're trying to give you the Mike

1032
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 4: Tyson experience. Listen to the warning that he sends to

1033
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 4: Jake Paul final thing.

1034
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: I presume that Mike Tyson is watching this right now.

1035
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: Is there anything you want to say to him?

1036
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: Mike?

1037
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: I love you, but this is my sport now to

1038
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: honor to get in the ring with you.

1039
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm so so honored. Your a legend, Bud.

1040
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take your thrown Brother's.

1041
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 8: A fun mental difference between me and Jake and he

1042
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 8: the manufactured to kill us Television and the paper made

1043
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 8: them to kill it.

1044
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: Your manufactured.

1045
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm a natural born killer at the difference. It's a

1046
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 2: great sound bite.

1047
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, that's terrifying.

1048
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it is, and I saw a

1049
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 2: lot of people celebrate that on Twitter. I'm not starting

1050
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: to say it wasn't cool. I'm not trying to say

1051
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't like an opera pose summation of what's really

1052
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: happening here, Like no, Mike Tyson and Jake Paul are

1053
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: not on the same level of toughness, you know, any

1054
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: of that. That's why the only way this fight would work.

1055
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 2: And that's what Nikisa always says of MVP Promotions, and

1056
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: he's right, this fight only works because Mike is this

1057
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: age and Jake is the young buck.

1058
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1059
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: Am I wrong to field that sound bite and go okay? Like,

1060
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: but it's not a street or bar fight and if

1061
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: it was, yeah, Michael, probably eat your heart out right.

1062
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: It's still a boxing match against a guy thirty years

1063
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: younger with size advantages and a lot going on there,

1064
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: so that.

1065
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: Helps sell it, Luke, But I don't know. You got

1066
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: to get me off of this soap of bad feeling

1067
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: for this fight.

1068
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: I want you to become the.

1069
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Cheerleader for boxing or good for boxing or neutral.

1070
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: No, I'm not one that believes it's bad for boxing.

1071
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: Could it be bad for boxing?

1072
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1073
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: If Mike gets flatlined and has health problems coming off

1074
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: of this, then it's it's the worst case scenario. And suddenly,

1075
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: even though this has very little to do with real boxing,

1076
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: it becomes, you know, a poster of what's wrong with it.

1077
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: I think it can help boxing in some ways with

1078
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: the Netflix connection, which was something when this fight was

1079
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: announced that you were rightfully sort of on, like what

1080
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: does this mean and all of that, But it's separate

1081
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 2: from that to me in a lot of ways.

1082
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1083
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: I just I want you to get me off of

1084
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: the off of because normally you're the cantankerous one, the

1085
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: pessimistic rule, the realist, so to speak.

1086
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1087
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: Why I've I've fallen in the sour gutter on this fight,

1088
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: probably because it's fifty eight year old Mike Tyson fighting,

1089
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I'm just as worried that that the

1090
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: worst case scenario with putting a man in the ring

1091
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: at this age happens as I am with.

1092
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: This being a waste of our time being.

1093
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: Not I'm not trying to say it is aft pro

1094
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 2: wrestling match that's stealing money from people.

1095
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm not going that far.

1096
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: But do you think there's any silent contract, as Teddy

1097
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Atlas used to say, in this or any understanding between

1098
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: the two of them that like they're not really here

1099
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 2: to hurt each other and this could go the way

1100
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: of like dance routine or should I put that behind me?

1101
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: Get ready and watch whatever slop in fourteen ounce gloves

1102
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: they can give me. I don't think you can commit

1103
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: to that until you see the fight itself, because obviously

1104
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: there's ways to fight fight. There's no way to know.

1105
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 4: This fight could be good for what it is, this

1106
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: fight could be bad or what it is. But is

1107
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 4: there some kind of silent contract to your point to

1108
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: dictate the terms. I don't anyway want to dismiss it,

1109
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: but we just have to see how it looks first.

1110
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 4: I think that's all I'm saying. Well, now, Luke, do

1111
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 4: you have people in your orbit hitting you up about

1112
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: this fight?

1113
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1114
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 5: Like random people who don't watch combat sports at all

1115
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: have definitely been hitting me up about it. I asked

1116
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 5: these guys back here, Nadir and Ken who don't watch,

1117
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 5: and they said they're definitely going to tune in.

1118
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: So well they're gonna be I mean, they're gonna be

1119
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: high at ball.

1120
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, naturally.

1121
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1122
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 4: I do want to point out something if I can,

1123
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 4: that we have. I think Stephen A. Smith spoke to

1124
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson about his prep. Let's see if hec finds

1125
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 4: this at all convincing.

1126
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: How much pressure, if any at all?

1127
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 9: Do you feel to win this fight, even though you're

1128
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 9: twice his age and you haven't been in the ring

1129
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 9: in an official sanctioned bout since two thousand and five.

1130
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 9: How are you feeling pressure wise about needing to beat him?

1131
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, I feel in great condition.

1132
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 7: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at box feeed round and

1133
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 7: I don't know I'm ready. I don't look at it.

1134
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 7: I'm some old guy that crepit going to fight this

1135
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 7: young guy. I'm fighting a guy with ten fights, no face,

1136
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 7: you know, the top, But fight a guy with ten

1137
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 7: fight that. I think I'm gonna have to handle this situation.

1138
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 9: You're gonna knock him out.

1139
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna hurt him. Yes, that that is

1140
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: trying to win me back coggressively. That is a great

1141
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: sales pitch.

1142
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: For this fight.

1143
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 4: There's no question about you. I mean, we have seen

1144
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 4: this before with Jake Paul. We were there for the

1145
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 4: Anderson Silver fight. We were like, we think Anderson's going

1146
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 4: to do it, and then.

1147
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,479
Speaker 1: He just looked old. He looked really old.

1148
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 4: I suspect I did go back and I watched the

1149
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Junior fight.

1150
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: Mike looks pretty good. In that way. That's the thing.

1151
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: He looked great in that and a lot of people

1152
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: are living off of that, lifting off of that in

1153
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: their head. Now. The casuals aren't because they probably didn't

1154
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: want they did watch it. That fight did like one

1155
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 2: point six million pay per.

1156
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: View bys and.

1157
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the right clip to get me

1158
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: off of this box of negativity and get me back

1159
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: into a position of but this entertained the ship out

1160
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: of us. It could Luke, there's a lot of permutations,

1161
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: by the way, is that the right word of how

1162
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 2: this could play out? You know, like like Mike landing

1163
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: one big shot and maybe it flash knocked down to

1164
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: Jake and it's like, oh, we're in a fight now.

1165
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: Anything like that is wonderful. Are we too nervous about Mike.

1166
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: And his age? I don't think so.

1167
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: He's knowing like he's fifty eight, and obviously that the

1168
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: referents I always make every piece of gear they ever made,

1169
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: Like the holy Field is the thing that's the problem

1170
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: for me, because holy Field was fifty eight when when

1171
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: v Tour jabbed him and put him on skates and

1172
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't a fight, and we were suddenly really scared,

1173
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: like just end this thing. Mike's different.

1174
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: He looks sturdy, but how sturdy can you be at

1175
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: fifty eight?

1176
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: Does it play into our hands that his career kind

1177
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: of fell apart quickly and he you know, he was

1178
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: in jail as well in his prime, Like does he

1179
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: have the same physical damage of somebody like holy Field too?

1180
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Like box out a high level two is like fifty.

1181
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: No, we just saw Mike four years ago, like, look

1182
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: like he could probably probably win this fight. Right, four

1183
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: years ago didn't look like win this fight.

1184
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: The guy who fought Royd Jones Junior looked like he

1185
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: could win it the big differences, and again that was

1186
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: a very diminished RJJ. But the point I want to

1187
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 4: say is, again, as somebody who's actually looked at Jake

1188
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 4: Paul's boxing and detail, you can punch. He can punch like,

1189
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 4: he can probably punch in ways that Royd Jones Junior

1190
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 4: at that time could not.

1191
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: He's also, like I know, when you broke down Jake's film,

1192
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 2: you can certainly find because he only has ten fights,

1193
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: didn't have an amateur background, blah blah blah. You can

1194
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 2: fight obvious technical holes. But would you say he fits

1195
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: within the confines of boxing fairly well in a sense

1196
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: where he's not out there throwing haymakers and wide open

1197
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: to be countered and knocked out cold like. For as

1198
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: much as his technical is not on the level of

1199
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 2: a you know, a guy with the same record who

1200
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 2: was taking legitimate fights, he's not a liability to himself

1201
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: in there. So even if he does get hit or

1202
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: early like I you know, you think he can he

1203
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: can swim well in this end of the pool, I

1204
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: don't protect himself.

1205
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think so. I mean, here's the thing.

1206
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 4: If he was actually fighting like someone halfway decent who

1207
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: was not like fifty eight years old, we would have

1208
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 4: it being we would be having a very different conversation

1209
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 4: his there is there is a consistent thread to Jake Paul.

1210
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 4: It is that when he gets pressured or hurried, his

1211
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 4: game crumbles very quickly. He has to really find an escape,

1212
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 4: which he usually does somewhat basically.

1213
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Not that that's the biggest problem.

1214
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: When you're talking me back into this fight aggressive, Well.

1215
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, here's the thing.

1216
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: I have been tricked into these fights and be like, oh,

1217
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 4: Tyer Woody can knock him out, And then Woodley looked

1218
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: really limited, I think is the way I would put

1219
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 4: it in those fights. And then I'm like, oh, Anderson

1220
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: can knock him out, and then Anderson looks kind of

1221
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 4: like really old. And then I didn't expect much from Nate,

1222
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 4: so I got kind of what I was expecting. I

1223
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 4: got a little less than what I was expecting, but

1224
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 4: more or less the same from Mike Perry.

1225
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: And so now I'm kind of like, all right, am

1226
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: I really gonna buy into this dumb shit yet again?

1227
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: Only for Back to go out there and look like ass.

1228
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not sure.

1229
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 4: Hold on, love man, Luke, tell me exactly what the

1230
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 4: fight looks like. Do the guys look like ass in

1231
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 4: this one or less?

1232
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: So I don't, dude, I don't even want to say

1233
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 5: what I'm thinking, but say it.

1234
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: This is the show.

1235
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 5: I think Jake Pole probably gets him out of there

1236
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 5: in the first four rounds.

1237
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: That's probably right.

1238
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 2: But do you think it's get him out of there

1239
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: with hard punches that knock him down and hurt him,

1240
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: or is it like that holy Field bell Fort fight

1241
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: where it's more of just like, get the sloppy old.

1242
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: Go out of there before it gets hurt. I just

1243
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: think you have. What do you think is it?

1244
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna answer I here's my answer to everything. The

1245
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 4: worst possible outcome for boxing hardcores is a guarantee, which

1246
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: is Mike loses, probably gets stopped, maybe not knocked out viciously,

1247
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: but stopped, and then he's going to use this. Jake

1248
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: Paul has been like, I stopped Mike Tyson when you

1249
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: know Razor.

1250
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: Ruddick couldn't stop him, but I could stop him. You

1251
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

1252
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 4: He's gonna say shit like that and people are gonna

1253
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: be like, it's fucking true.

1254
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: I just that's your thing.

1255
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 2: Look at Jake Bowl, He's really good.

1256
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that is the that is the hell.

1257
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: You know what.

1258
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 2: I really liked Rocky Balboa. Remember Rocky six?

1259
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: Is that Mason Dixon? No, that's Rocky seven.

1260
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: No, Mason Dixon's Rocky five? Okay, Antonio o'tarvar is is

1261
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 2: Rocky Balboa?

1262
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: Okay? I'm sorry? Is Mason Dixon? Yes, I'm sorry I

1263
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: screwed that up. Who is the guy he fought in

1264
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: Rocky five?

1265
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: That's the guy was thinking of when you said Mason,

1266
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I forgot the guy's name. Okay, so

1267
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 2: it is Mason Dixon. Excuse me on that like pre

1268
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: movie from like an actual movie sense. But the thing

1269
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 2: I always had problems with, even though they presented it

1270
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: well with the HBO announcers of everything, is could we

1271
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 2: take the fight that actually happened there, even under the

1272
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 2: terms that was set up? Do you remember there was

1273
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 2: like a Sports Center segment where there was a video

1274
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: game in the current champion had to go up against

1275
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: the old champion, Rocky, and everyone thought Rocky would beat him.

1276
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: In the current champion.

1277
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 2: Got pissed out of his egos, so he talked trash

1278
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: and called out Rocky to come out of retirement. And

1279
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: then like this is this fight Tyson versus Paul is

1280
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: Mason Dixon versus Rocky Balboa. And even though I ultimately

1281
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: scored Rocky Balboa high up in my rankings of the

1282
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: entire Rocky and Creed series, I still feel like I'm

1283
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: always justifying to myself how unrealistic and absurd that is.

1284
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: Not just that that fight took place it was an exhibition,

1285
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 2: but that like Rocky didn't just land one big shot,

1286
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: he like outworked him, and I would also like it

1287
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: was like holy shit, and made it like a you know,

1288
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 2: pick him fight down the stretch. I've had to try

1289
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: to come to terms with that so many times and

1290
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: trying to justify why that movie is so good and

1291
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 2: believed and deserves to be high in the Rocky rankings

1292
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: that I feel like I'm making the same justifications here

1293
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: to talk myself into the belief that Mike's not gonna

1294
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 2: get part badly and this is not gonna be a

1295
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: sloppy shit show that shouldn't happen, and that he's going

1296
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: to be competitive not just for thirty seconds or forty seconds,

1297
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: but maybe for the first half of the fight and

1298
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: maybe even the whole fight. Obviously, the question of how

1299
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: competitive or young or alive Mike can be ultimately dictates

1300
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: what we get here.

1301
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: How long in your.

1302
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: Eyes do you think it's dependent upon how much damage

1303
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: he takes? How long can Mike be dangerous in this fight?

1304
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: Like?

1305
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 2: How long are we actually talking here of what a

1306
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: real fight between the two of them come? Is this

1307
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: like one round or nothing?

1308
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 4: Is it all because the rounds are short? I think

1309
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: he can go a little bit longer. I do believe that.

1310
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: So it's an is it eight rounds?

1311
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: It's eight rounds?

1312
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: Eight two minute rounds, fourteen ounce gloves. Do you think

1313
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: he can keep it a fight by round four and five?

1314
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 4: That's why I think it falls apart. Yeah, That's why

1315
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: I think, because I think Jake's gonna be doing a

1316
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: lot of hugging, leaning, hanging on him, making him carry

1317
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 4: his weight. He's fifty eight. That's gonna drown him a

1318
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 4: little bit. It's gonna it's gonna slow him down, and

1319
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: then he's just gonna land a big punch and we're

1320
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 4: all gonna be extremely sad about it, and he's gonna

1321
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: get fabulously wealthy.

1322
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Mike throwing the early haymakers are going

1323
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 2: to be the entertaining part. And you're like, oh my god,

1324
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: how is you gonna deal with that pikaboo stuff too?

1325
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: He's gonna do yeah, damn.

1326
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: It's just it's this is so weird and surreal, even

1327
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: though we've had like a year to prepare for it.

1328
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, I just it's weird. That's

1329
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: maybe why I'm so negative. Today's like we're getting closer

1330
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: to it, and I'm just like, we really want this,

1331
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: we really need this with the freak at least it's free.

1332
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: I don't feel bad about people playing one hundred you know,

1333
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: bugs on hundred and twenty bucks to see this, but

1334
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: and it's a badass Cole Maine and there's some guys

1335
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: in the unit of card you should see. All right,

1336
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: I'm back in on Friday. But to be honest, nobody

1337
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: knows what the hell this is gonna look like. And

1338
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: there's way more ways this sucks, is gross, or it's

1339
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: criminal than there is where we come in Monday morning

1340
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: fire up and like, oh my, oh.

1341
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: Right, I certainly agree with that in mind, let's talk

1342
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: about the other fight that's happening this weekend. In topic

1343
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 4: number three UFC three oh nine, John Jones returns finally

1344
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: against a also returning Steve bay Miocic. I did watch

1345
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 4: the countdown special. You saw it as well, bec Yes, yeah,

1346
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 4: we'll talk about some of those things in a minute,

1347
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: but let's talk about game out the implications of Saturday.

1348
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 4: What ultimately are going to be John Jones's and Steve

1349
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 4: Amyochich's legacies if they call it quits after this weekend. Now,

1350
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 4: of course, that that means the results can go a

1351
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 4: few different directions.

1352
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: Give me the.

1353
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: Universe of possible legacies here, given where we're at, if

1354
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 4: they both call it quits.

1355
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 2: So you're positing a scenario where John because if steep

1356
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: A wins would be we'd be less likely that they

1357
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: both would just call it quits and never fighting.

1358
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: That's true. I think if step A wins, do they

1359
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: do a rematch?

1360
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: It's or step A might take the money In fin astenal,

1361
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: you never know.

1362
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: Like, there's no way the UFC is going to let him,

1363
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: no chance.

1364
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,919
Speaker 2: Do you think it would have to be Jones?

1365
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 4: John Jones loses via Ko. Yes, let's just posit that

1366
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 4: for a second. That is so historic and so monumental,

1367
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 4: especially because you'd be fighting a guy who walks like

1368
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: Cornelius from Planet of the Apes. We don't know that

1369
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 4: for sure, who's forty two years old. We do know that,

1370
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 4: how do you love.

1371
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: Out Long Island?

1372
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 10: Luke?

1373
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: Okay?

1374
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 4: If John Jones gets slept, however likely, you might imagine

1375
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 4: that to be doing a rematch, right, You're right?

1376
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 5: I think if stepe wins in any fashion, they're doing

1377
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 5: a rematch.

1378
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to.

1379
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: That would fuck aspen All and the rest of the

1380
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 2: division bag even if the fight was awesome.

1381
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: When we did talk about it.

1382
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: I think it was a great point you made last

1383
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: week where it's like, will we not be talking as

1384
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: much or even at all about the ducking, the waiting

1385
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: another year, all the sort of negative things we're adding.

1386
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: To the sticker price of this that we're sort of.

1387
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: Like, eh, if it's a great fight, Luke, damn, the

1388
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: aspirina would just have to suck it up bright and

1389
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 2: hold that in our belt for three years rather than

1390
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: where he's at now. But your idea of like, okay,

1391
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: if the fight ends, John wins, they both walk away

1392
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 2: like if you're saying if John makes it final and says,

1393
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: under no circumstance my coming back this.

1394
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: So one thing he had said.

1395
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 4: What thing he had said was if the fight is

1396
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: like really tough, and that he probably even if he wins,

1397
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 4: he probably might just call it a day.

1398
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: So we have established, based on other quotes he said

1399
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: too about wanting to look as perfect as he did

1400
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: against cyril Ghan, that the more the easier this fight

1401
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 2: is for John, the more likely we see Aspen offers.

1402
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: So hold that thought.

1403
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 4: Let me play the clip here where John talks about

1404
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 4: what would keep him in the game after Saturday.

1405
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: I want you to react. When we get back, people

1406
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: want more, John, is this it?

1407
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: Whether I retire or not will depend on this next performance.

1408
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 3: One of my main goals is to make it look

1409
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: really easy, and if I can accomplish that, then curiosity

1410
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: will keep me in the game. Is to see how

1411
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: far we can take this thing. But at the same time,

1412
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm really happy with the career. It's been unbelievable, truly unbelievable.

1413
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: I work up looking in the mirror and saying to

1414
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 3: myself that I am enough, but I'm accomplished enough, and

1415
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: I don't really have anything else to career right.

1416
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: We can get caught up and work.

1417
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: It's just always needing more and more and more in

1418
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 3: the processes of teaching myself to be proud of what

1419
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: I've already done with the man that I have become.

1420
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know about the man he's become, but

1421
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: the champion is certainly an accomplished one.

1422
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

1423
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: That was a deep clip and really hit on a

1424
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: couple of ways. And so let me say first and foremost,

1425
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: because you know, we've had our rhetoric related to this

1426
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: topic and is a duck if he does it? And

1427
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: all this, you know, should the UFC be doing this

1428
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: fight and whatever. But I think what he.

1429
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: Said is true and it fits what I just tried

1430
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: to throw out there that.

1431
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: The easier the fight, the more dominant John is, the

1432
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: more likely he would be willing to hang around. Because

1433
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 2: when everyone sees our takes Luke and they did it

1434
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: on Instagram, and you get a lot of like UFC

1435
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: fanboys or John fanboys, and that's fine if you're either

1436
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: or both or whatever saying like, oh, come on, guys,

1437
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: he's not really scared of him. And then you know

1438
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: in DC, I think said it best too when he

1439
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: put out a video of this day he was scared.

1440
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: You don't believe he's scared. That's what I'm trying to say.

1441
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: We're not not physically scared to fight these guys. I

1442
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: think if you're going to use the word scared, which

1443
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: is a it's an over aggressive word. It more comes

1444
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: down to, is he afraid to take the risk when

1445
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: he's basically pitching a perfect game right now and knowing

1446
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: that with the rule changes on twelve to six, that

1447
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: whether it happens soon or whatever, the mett Haam will win.

1448
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: I mean, the UFC doesn't even recognize it as a win.

1449
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: Everyone refers to him as undefeated. So if he has

1450
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: a really hard fight with Steepe, I think you take

1451
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: him at his word right there, and he wins it

1452
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: and he survives, and that'd be even more fuel for

1453
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 2: him to be like, I'm done right now. You just

1454
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: saw the war I went through against the greatest heavyweight ever.

1455
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: What else do I have to do for you guys?

1456
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: But John does have a big ego, and I think

1457
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: that plays in and I think you can pick through

1458
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: his words and kind of see that look.

1459
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong. If you're the UFC, you

1460
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: play to his ego all the.

1461
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: Way through this process. They have been doing. It's probably

1462
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: why Dana has been relating him at all turns with

1463
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: the powerful palm thing and just trying to make John

1464
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: happy and excited about coming back and being that legend

1465
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: again and being that greatest and getting his flowers constantly.

1466
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: But Luke, I think they should do two things to

1467
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 2: keep us all happy in regards to this one. Tell

1468
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 2: John right now, don't wait for the negotiation. Don't don't

1469
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: don't force John if this is public negotiating, to continue

1470
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: this this rhetoric that he's doing that only makes him

1471
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 2: look bad or at worse a ducker and all that

1472
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: go to him and say, look, we'll do it when

1473
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: it's time on the official number, but we're gonna pay

1474
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: you to fight Aspinau. So let's just get this, let's

1475
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: just get that worry off the table. We will, we

1476
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: will pay you what we think you deserve. Is the

1477
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: greatest of all time taking this risk. And number two, Luke,

1478
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 2: because he does seem to want the Pooton one, He

1479
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: does seem to want to add that name to the legacy.

1480
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: He realizes what Pooton's doing and as we talked about,

1481
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 2: realizes that probably an easier fight from tell him you

1482
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean, you'll get that Poton fight next,

1483
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 2: and you'll get it in a damn stadium like play

1484
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 2: to his ego in my opinion, completely so that that

1485
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: part is not a worry that would help us Loube

1486
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: this situation to lead into Saray night, because I.

1487
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: Think people are tell me for a wrong.

1488
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: I think people are more interested in what John's gonna

1489
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: stand on the microphone afterwards than even how he looks

1490
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: or whether he gets that w Now that's I don't

1491
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: really mean that in terms of the w side of it,

1492
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: but like we really want to see which direction is

1493
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: he gonna go to the level of taking off the

1494
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 2: gloves and do the full retirement or is there gonna

1495
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 2: be a tease or is he gonna straight up go

1496
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: from heal to baby and just call out Tom directly.

1497
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: Either way, you FC can get ahead.

1498
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: Of that, make sure that let him know that money's

1499
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 2: not the issue here and show him the path you

1500
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: win this fight again, step at MSG because.

1501
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: We did wait a year for you, We allowed you,

1502
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: We allowed.

1503
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: All this negativity to come because we want this fight

1504
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: so bad. So we're gonna if you do the solid

1505
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: for us with aspinall, we're gonna pay you for it

1506
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: like a bitch, like a good like a like a

1507
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: high like a like a good ass bitch. And then

1508
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: we're giving you the Polton fight and it's gonna be

1509
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: a stadium fight and you're gonna be treated the rest

1510
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: of the way like what you are, the greatest.

1511
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: Of all time.

1512
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 2: Like everybody wins if they do that. They got to

1513
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: do everything they have do to avoid.

1514
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: Him retiring on Saturday night.

1515
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 2: Business Wise, there's not the UFC looke. This doesn't win

1516
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: at all. It tell me if I'm wrong, Like, is

1517
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: this only for one day? Is UFC willing to press

1518
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: pause on the division and allow all this other negativity

1519
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: to come in and the new cycles and the media

1520
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: related to this fight for one night and one box

1521
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: office hit at MSG?

1522
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: Is that really what it's all about?

1523
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: Or is it about the idea that if we kind

1524
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: of give John what he really wants, maybe we can

1525
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 2: talk him into keep going, keeping going, and give us

1526
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: all what we want. Because Luke, even if Dana's hesitant

1527
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: on going to the stadium route for all the reasons

1528
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: we always talk about it, but the entertainment side and

1529
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 2: all that, his bosses aren't seem to want to gain

1530
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: every dollar incent possible at every single turn. You can't

1531
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 2: tell me that they're not the TKO and Endeavor and

1532
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: our Emanuel aren't thinking. I know what Dana said about

1533
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: those screens and stuff, but think how many people we

1534
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: can get in here if we do Allegiant, or we

1535
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 2: do Wembley, or we do something like that. John Aspinall

1536
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 2: or John Poloton to me, are those fights that get

1537
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: them there. So I think it's behove to everyone to

1538
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: keep John happy, continue to play this ego. He's the

1539
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 2: poffer pond number one.

1540
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: He's the greatest of all time. Here John the key

1541
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: to the city.

1542
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: They got to do everything they can to get him

1543
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 2: to not say that because everyone's saying, Okay, you either

1544
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: think he's afraid, well no, I think it could be

1545
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: a public negotiation.

1546
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: I think that could be what he's been doing. But

1547
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: get him off. It's so stupid.

1548
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 2: But like if it, then if he's not afraid, then

1549
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: it really must be about negotiation, unless it's more about

1550
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: I really want to control my legacy. I now have

1551
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: a chance to retire unbeaten b with the mayweather of

1552
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 2: MMA and all that.

1553
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: We should we should, we should tackle this argument about

1554
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 4: being afraid just for a second. I don't want to

1555
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 4: get too far off course, but just to make the point,

1556
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 4: you have to, like you have to understand when someone

1557
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 4: is accused of ducky. Could there be cases where someone

1558
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 4: is afraid of the other person. It could be, but

1559
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 4: that tends to really not be something Where guys are

1560
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 4: professional fighters for a living, including those as accomplished as

1561
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 4: John Jones, it doesn't cross their mind in the sense

1562
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 4: of there's a bully in the schoolyard and I'm scared

1563
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 4: to go outside thinks. No one with half a brain

1564
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: anyway thinks of it on those terms. What we think

1565
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 4: of is he's an aging talent trying to mitigate risk

1566
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 4: while maximizing reward, and he has to make a calculation

1567
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 4: about the best way to go through with that, which

1568
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 4: is why we also said we kind of understand in

1569
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 4: a vacuum why he might want to fight Poeton. Nevertheless,

1570
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 4: it's about the abdication of responsibility, not the accusation of fear.

1571
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 4: They are very very different things.

1572
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: What do you think about what I said that it's

1573
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 2: not fear of physically fighting him, it's fear of what

1574
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: he's risking the potentially.

1575
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: Exactly correct.

1576
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: Tell me if I'm crazy, But John has been there's

1577
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 2: so much shit outside the cage and put the UFC

1578
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: through much that it's a miracle that he's where he's

1579
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: at right now, still basically undefeated two division champion, on

1580
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: the verge of becoming you know, without even a question

1581
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: the goat like cementing it rock underground.

1582
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: Why I don't think beating ste gets them very far.

1583
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that.

1584
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 2: A little bit, But you have to believe part of

1585
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: John is like, holy shit, I'm here after all that shit,

1586
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: and I'm still doing that shit unfortunately year to year

1587
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 2: and things that are compromising me. I think he more

1588
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: than ever wants to carefully control his exit narrative as

1589
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: carefully as possible. That doesn't mean physically afraid of somebody.

1590
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: That means is that going to that risk that chance

1591
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 2: that payday gonna be worth it? Would you say he's

1592
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 2: one of the few guys that seems to value that

1593
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: very highly, Luke, in terms of how they're remembered and

1594
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: all that. Yes, maybe that's why Dan is playing to

1595
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 2: his ego so much. And I think again, if it

1596
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: is public negotiating, then Luke, he has a fear that

1597
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: he wouldn't get paid, right, why don't they just go

1598
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 2: to him and squash that?

1599
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 3: Now?

1600
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 4: Okay, let me read you a series of names to

1601
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 4: you and tell me if Mayweather fought them on time

1602
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 4: early or late?

1603
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: Okay, one Manuel Marquez.

1604
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: It was a surprise that they kind of fought and

1605
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: they did like a catchwaight thing.

1606
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: So I don't think neither Shane Moseley late, although you but.

1607
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 2: You have to throw in the fact that Moseley could

1608
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: have fought him years earlier. But said he needed dental surgery.

1609
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: Time they fought late. Victor Ortiz doesn't really matter. It

1610
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: doesn't matter Miguil Coto.

1611
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: Late, but because Coto is a legend and put forth

1612
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: a great performance where he won four rounds against Mayweather,

1613
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: it became on time, but at the time it was late.

1614
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: Uh. Robert Guerrero doesn't matter.

1615
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: Canelo Alvarez early, but Flui gets all the respect, all

1616
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 4: the credit. Two fights with my Donna right on, Tom Yeah,

1617
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 4: Pachial late Andre Berto.

1618
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: Wasn't a necessary fight.

1619
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor, Okay, after the fact, Yes, Berto, he was

1620
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: going to fight Berto, but Victor Chiz upset him.

1621
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 4: Okay, Connor McGregor, which he fought a prime Connor McGregor,

1622
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 4: but not a boxer, doesn't intention Nascala. My point is,

1623
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 4: I just read you fights that extended all the way

1624
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 4: back to two thousand and nine. He clearly Gain planned,

1625
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: with some exception by Donna being a big one, but

1626
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 4: he clearly Gain planned to get fights a little bit

1627
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 4: late in terms of the guy's readiness, or a little

1628
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 4: bit early in terms of the guy's readiness, because why

1629
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 4: Floyd didn't want to fuck up his record, And Floyd

1630
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 4: knows how to manage his career very well. Do I

1631
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: think Floyd is afraid of any of the guys he

1632
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 4: fought or maybe should have fought a different time. No,

1633
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 4: but he was mitigating risk. That is what John is doing.

1634
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 4: He is mitigating risk. But this is the point I

1635
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 4: want to bring up. What does the fight have to

1636
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 4: do to make the argument for John Jones right now

1637
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 4: step A wins? Have you really noodled what it would

1638
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 4: mean if Step A one? I mean the amount of

1639
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 4: chaos because what does Tom aspinall do?

1640
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: What does Poeton do? You got to run that one back.

1641
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: The best part is that like we actually all deep

1642
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: inside like Stepey and have like no issues with him.

1643
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be.

1644
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: Freaking awesome from like a babyface great story moment that

1645
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 2: we're not even considering, but like like when Payna at

1646
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 2: noon As and was like, what a story?

1647
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: What a what a singular moment of human conquest? Dude?

1648
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 2: This would be that and it would suck everything up.

1649
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 4: It would be plus Nate beating Connor the first time.

1650
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 4: We're like, even if you can get it back the

1651
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 4: second time, it doesn't really matter because you still got

1652
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 4: sunned on that one night. So like the implications of

1653
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 4: that are fucking insane. But okay, for John, what does

1654
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 4: the does it need to look semi competitive?

1655
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: What if it looks too competitive? We're talking all scenarios

1656
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,439
Speaker 1: where what you're saying, all scenarios where he wins, because

1657
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: here's the point.

1658
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: If it was a war, he'd be a hero exiting right.

1659
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 4: Well, unless they both look yeah, you're right, and which

1660
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 4: he said they both look old.

1661
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: No, because of the us he has been playing two

1662
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: heavyweight divisions right now, the active one and the older one.

1663
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: So right, I noticed something.

1664
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 4: They have not fully abandoned it, but they are no

1665
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 4: longer calling this the Baddest man on the planet kind

1666
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 4: of thing, which I think because it was stolen a

1667
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 4: little bit by pfl for Francis.

1668
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: The same weekend in the actual bet.

1669
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 4: But they're not really using that as a marketing back anymore,

1670
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 4: because how can you when Aspinall is out there and

1671
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 4: don't want to wants to fight him except for other

1672
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 4: guys who have nothing?

1673
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: Can you?

1674
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 2: When you're pulling Francis's name face and or from the

1675
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: Countdown Show to.

1676
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: Watch the Countdown Show. They didn't completely pull.

1677
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: It, They showed it when Stepe was kicking out. Yeah,

1678
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: but they I love that they go. And then in

1679
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, the end of Stepe's reign came. Never

1680
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: they cut to black, and all you hear is the

1681
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 2: announcer saying, oh he finished him.

1682
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: You don't hear, and Ghana you don't see in Ghana.

1683
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 2: By the way, you know how, I send you that

1684
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: tweet this morning of John Jones overnight got mad at

1685
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: Stepe for calling him out on them. I went back

1686
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 2: and watched on the countdown. Didn't that seem like a

1687
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: fake setup where Stepe is just like, and you'll.

1688
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: Find out, bitch, Yeah, you'll find out, you know. Let me,

1689
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: let me just explain them to you.

1690
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 4: Do you not think out there in in fan watching

1691
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 4: land that they were highly encouraged to do that by

1692
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 4: He doesn't talk like that ever ever. Ever, he doesn't.

1693
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 4: I don't think he ever thinks of John in that way. No,

1694
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: they had to get the fucking paddles to this fight now.

1695
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: And then John.

1696
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 4: Then John fell for it, and he's like or it's

1697
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 4: also rehearsed on his part, like it's all just kabuki theater,

1698
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 4: you can do that. I just want to point out

1699
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 4: I think there is a world where John wins, and

1700
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 4: this fight, while helpful, doesn't really do much to actually

1701
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 4: add to the argument of whether or not he is

1702
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 4: the greatest of all time. In particular, we don't really

1703
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 4: know the answer because if Aspinall continues doing what he's

1704
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 4: doing and goes on an incredible win streak, the choice

1705
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 4: to avoid him such that we get there will age

1706
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 4: very very badly for him, and the win over Stepe

1707
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 4: will age in a again, I.

1708
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: Won't call it meaningless, but it.

1709
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 4: Will age on the side of having less and less

1710
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 4: meaning over time. I kind of feel like he has

1711
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 4: to put the stamp on it after it gets a

1712
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 4: little bit fun and a little bit competitive.

1713
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: That's just thread the needle.

1714
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 2: Like if he wins a war and we're like, man,

1715
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: that was a great fight, shout out to John, and

1716
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: then he puts the gloves down and retires. You're right,

1717
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 2: it would be hard if some of us might have

1718
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 2: to go.

1719
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm sick.

1720
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: Of asking for these guys to fight more. Maybe Canelo

1721
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: was right, John, go walk away.

1722
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: You've earned it and you deserve it.

1723
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: But are we forgetting this scenario? What if what if

1724
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 2: Steepe gets cut on a head clash in the first

1725
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,439
Speaker 2: round and this fight's in no contest.

1726
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: What are we doing that guy?

1727
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 4: The war When Randy Guittari fought Vitor Belfo the first time,

1728
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 4: the glove went by his ear and it nicked his

1729
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 4: eyelid and it cut. They had to get to get

1730
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 4: his eyelids sewn back on his face. They had to

1731
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 4: run that one back. It's like, oh my god, oh yeah, where.

1732
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: It's it's a ko win. But no one looks at

1733
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: it as.

1734
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 4: All right, right, he has the belt. Everyone's like, oh,

1735
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 4: it's amazing. But it's like, you have to run that

1736
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 4: one back.

1737
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 1: You know.

1738
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: That happened when when Katz and Gano lost to uh Michelle.

1739
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: What's that chick from Australia. I'm sorry, Megan, excuse me.

1740
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 2: Remember she kicked her in the eyelid and then it

1741
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 2: was just like weird enough that she continued. It was

1742
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: suddenly a t k they fought.

1743
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: My lord forgot that.

1744
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 2: She's a good analystis she works for like.

1745
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 4: Sports, she works on the history in side. But they've

1746
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 4: got a lot of subdivisions I don't understand. But neither

1747
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 4: here nor there. Let's quickly get to these last two topics.

1748
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 4: If we can be seen again. We'll have a big

1749
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 4: preview for both Jake Paul as well.

1750
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Friday eleven, am yo, let's.

1751
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 4: Hit it, so we'll do a big preview then, all right,

1752
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 4: bc U for one one sixty nine. This went down

1753
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 4: over on Friday night on Amazon Prime Video. I'm gonna

1754
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 4: ask this one very simply.

1755
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: How in the fucked room or rug Rug beat Anatoly

1756
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: mallikin the triple champ of the.

1757
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 2: Organization worst case scenario in a lot of ways down

1758
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: and what does it do for his standing?

1759
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I saw people coming out of

1760
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 4: It's being like the fight to make because before we

1761
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 4: were like, Francis totally not gonna happen, but it would

1762
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 4: be fun. Now it's like rumble in the jungle too,

1763
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 4: rug Rug versus Francis freaking' good dude.

1764
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 2: If I'm shatri given a lot of the other things

1765
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 2: we were talking about about, one in their financial future

1766
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: and all the people's concerns, I'm calling up Don Davis

1767
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: right now and I'm going out. We're doing that in Africa.

1768
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 2: Let's do this right now, like stop everything we're doing

1769
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 2: Francis in Rugrugg.

1770
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: Oh if that kind of sucked. It was a split

1771
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 1: decision the fight.

1772
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 2: So here's the here's the problem, Luke. The fight was

1773
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 2: in Bangkok, was at Lupinese Stadium because of the because

1774
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 2: of the history with boxing writer kickboxings, and you can't

1775
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 2: fight MMA in a cage there. They have the rules

1776
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: that you have to use the rings. That fed up

1777
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: Malikin big time because he got so many warnings and

1778
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: eventually got a point taking away on a yellow card

1779
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 2: from Herb Dean for grabbing the ropes and he was

1780
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: always grabbing it to try to steady himself against the

1781
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: takedown attempts from Khan, and really that set up for

1782
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: his game big time. But you know how did this happen?

1783
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 2: It's because Umar Khan rug Rug not Rugrug has an

1784
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: insane chin and it makes me want to know more

1785
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: about his backstory to see what he was willing to

1786
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: go through against one of the bigger knockout specialists in

1787
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 2: the higher weight classes and global MMA Mallekin who hit him, Luke,

1788
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: who was remember Malikin got to that point around round

1789
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: four where he was so gassed and frustrated he stopped

1790
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: setting up any offense and he just cocked that right

1791
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 2: hand and just held out as a spear his jab

1792
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: and was just trying to Yeah, and dude, he was

1793
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 2: landing bombs and Rugrugg was just like, shake it off,

1794
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: right back to business. He earned it. But this was

1795
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: a gross, sloppy war of attrition and it takes some

1796
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: level of legitimate steam out of where Mallikin was going.

1797
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: Three division champion. Maybe Francis, if we can cook up

1798
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 2: a super fight, is he homeless man's.

1799
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: Fade or what is he?

1800
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to run back a rematch, and

1801
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure one'll do that, and I think you can

1802
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: sell the storyline to some degree of Well, the first

1803
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,600
Speaker 2: one was in the boxing ring, let's do it in

1804
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 2: a cage where it belongs. But dude, that's worst case

1805
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: scenario for Mallikin. And it was still a close fight too,

1806
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: by the way, like Mallikin at times rallied back, but

1807
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: it was sloppy as shit. I mean, am credit to

1808
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: rugrug because we didn't give him a big chance, but

1809
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,600
Speaker 2: that had to be worst case scenario for like, he

1810
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 2: just beat the face of the franchise and made him

1811
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 2: look like a you know, gas piece of shit at

1812
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 2: the time.

1813
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:47,799
Speaker 4: This is why I thought it was kind of interesting

1814
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 4: because when Ruggrug beat Busha, who I was high on, Yes,

1815
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this is a terrible loss for

1816
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 4: bushsha Ushisha submits, I'm here ali ak Bari on this

1817
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 4: same card and rug Rug beats Anatotly mallikin.

1818
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: The triple t rematch.

1819
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 4: That well, I'm also just saying to myself, I think

1820
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 4: has done with one. But the what I'm trying to

1821
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 4: make is, boy, this is what I mean about wins

1822
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 4: aging or not. Well, that was a loss for Busha,

1823
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 4: But now you're looking at it, it's like, do this guy,

1824
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 4: rug Rug is made for m m A or a

1825
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:20,519
Speaker 4: bare minimum combat sports? He comes from Cynegalese wrestling like

1826
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,520
Speaker 4: a specimen, like perfectly designed to be a modern Heavywhere.

1827
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: Does how does that matter? With that body have five

1828
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:30,560
Speaker 2: round stamina.

1829
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 4: And against lacks drug testing. We've got a clip here

1830
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 4: I want to show them. Is it long Island? Look

1831
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 4: is it divided into two? The one with him lifting mallikin.

1832
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 5: We just got the one with rue Grugan Mallekin and

1833
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 5: then the one.

1834
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 4: Okay, well that wasn't what I wanted. But showing the one,

1835
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,240
Speaker 4: show me the one where he's celebrating.

1836
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: Am a sponsor, were just beaten. That's a great celebration.

1837
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 2: Amazing And if you can't.

1838
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 4: Play it one more time, but very quickly, it's at

1839
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 4: the beginning. If you can't hear long on look look

1840
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 4: at his Look at Mallikin's face. I mean his face

1841
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 4: is fucked up. Anyway, there's a I had a still

1842
01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 4: photo in there of him lifting Malakin in the air.

1843
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: This guy is strong as an ox.

1844
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: Would you say he's rock Lesnar with a chin. He's

1845
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: not as explosive by any means.

1846
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 4: He's not as big either, but he's got a little

1847
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 4: of that for sure. For sure, he is a force.

1848
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: To be reckoned with. I can't believe understand that, but

1849
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: I am.

1850
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 2: Rock headed chin in the standpoint of he's willing to

1851
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 2: take a lot of punishment. He just had the worst

1852
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: chin from like one jab could set him into CHAOSMO.

1853
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 1: That's right. He had he had poor bearing, yes, but

1854
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: he had he had dog though, he definitely had a dog.

1855
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 4: Definitely been made up for it with dog. So just

1856
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 4: a disaster, although an amazing opportunity.

1857
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: But it was weird.

1858
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: And and then you had the giant belt, which is

1859
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 2: even on rock rugget.

1860
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,879
Speaker 1: Even on heavyweights. That thing is like a carpet.

1861
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: Shouts to Ray Fluores, who called that fight Saturday Friday

1862
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: night and then was back on Instagram yesterday telling everyone

1863
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,959
Speaker 2: that the Bear should fire all of their coaches.

1864
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, did they lose again?

1865
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: I think they did because he was pretty pissed on their.

1866
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 1: Long Did the Bears lose? Yeah, they lost, Rays theater on.

1867
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm not even mad at the Chicago Bears. Chicago is

1868
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: a great town. I like the Bears, but their fans

1869
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: are so fucking bitter. It's like Arsenal Fan TV when

1870
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: they were in the late stage of the What's the

1871
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 1: fucking Face era? Anyway?

1872
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 4: Uh, who was the coach of Arsenal that everyone wanted out? Yeah,

1873
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: Arsen Wenger. Arsen Wenger. All right, before we move on

1874
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 4: from one, very quickly, ca.

1875
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: Ruolo, dude, he looks awesome.

1876
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 4: All the folks, how impressive this was getting a to

1877
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 4: the point you described a club and sub submission in

1878
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 4: the very first round.

1879
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: It was it against Ahmed Mutajava. Yeah, from Pakistan. Yeah, dude,

1880
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: so you know he's the submission specialist. You know he's

1881
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: making the move. His second pro mma fight. So seeing

1882
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: him get to the ground and ultimately get a submission,

1883
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 2: you're not shocked, especially in less than a couple of minutes.

1884
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: But it was the stand that set it up, and

1885
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: obviously particularly that right hand delayed bomb that he landed.

1886
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: It looks so fluid, confident, even it's rare sometimes that

1887
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 2: a post fight interview just like sells you even more

1888
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,640
Speaker 2: on who this guy is or who this fighter is

1889
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 2: and where they're going. Luke I felt that way, like

1890
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: he was just charismatic in the post fight interview, confident,

1891
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 2: he's ready to do big things. Dude, if I'm one

1892
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: and you know things aren't going great at the moment,

1893
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: it seems, Luke, you got to put a rocket ship

1894
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 2: on this guy, Like from what he can do on

1895
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 2: the grappling side, obvious, but he.

1896
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: Looks like he's ready.

1897
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: Am I wrong?

1898
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: Luke?

1899
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 2: I mean, he looks like he's ready to take on

1900
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,520
Speaker 2: some guys with a pulse in a background.

1901
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: Here, What did I say on Friday Show?

1902
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 4: He looks like the kind of jiu jitsu guy whose

1903
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:39,759
Speaker 4: game is perfect for MMA.

1904
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: Yes, and then on.

1905
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 4: Top of it for him to like walk the guy down,

1906
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 4: throw the overhand punch, hit him and then finish him

1907
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 4: off with a sub. Dude, if you're hurt against a

1908
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 4: guy like kid Rutolo, it is motherfucking curtains for him,

1909
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 4: you will not.

1910
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 2: Do we have a footage of something for we don't.

1911
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 4: However, he was asked following the fight what kind of

1912
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 4: smoke he once given, like how good he is and

1913
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 4: where things could go. This was his answer, I couldn't.

1914
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 5: That's A and PM A lot of time there.

1915
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm a very ambitious person, you know, so I

1916
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 8: like the sound of it for sure, having said, is

1917
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 8: only my second anime fight, right, so you know, goes

1918
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 8: straight to the belot. You're a massive opportunity, you know,

1919
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 8: obviously a big stepe up as well. But you know, personally,

1920
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 8: you know I'm down, but I know my coach and

1921
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 8: my team everyone around is.

1922
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 5: And he saying, you know, do a smartt the experience

1923
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 5: and you.

1924
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 8: Know that's the top of the mountain in m M

1925
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 8: A right, so might as well enjoy it as well.

1926
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 4: I think they wanted him with a fight against Christian

1927
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 4: Lee and he was like, you know, I would take it,

1928
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 4: but let me get get first this guy I I have.

1929
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 4: I am so rarely hyped on a BJJ guy getting

1930
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 4: to him made these days. I am count me in

1931
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 4: as legit dude, hype.

1932
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 2: He jumped through my screen. I'm telling you. I was

1933
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 2: just like, oh shit, did you watch this Long Islandok?

1934
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: Are we talking? Smoker?

1935
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 5: I was out Friday night. I caught the main event.

1936
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 5: I didn't catch this disappointed.

1937
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: I thought you were a hardcore dude.

1938
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 5: I was watching on my phone at the bar. I

1939
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 5: caught the drinking bud light.

1940
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 2: Dude, You're not surprised at all, but I'm really not

1941
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 2: that guy's salt of the earth bud light, Like.

1942
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: Hey, what give me the most uninteresting drink you've had?

1943
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: About that bud light? All right?

1944
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 5: I can't even deny it, dude, I love it, I

1945
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 5: can't you.

1946
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: And kid Rock and kid Rock all right, Last but

1947
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: not least, be see topic number five and this one

1948
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm actually really really interested in. So match Room Boxing

1949
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: got back to the zone over the weekend.

1950
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 4: They went to Philly, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, excuse me, and they

1951
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 4: had kind of like a co feature in the Comaine

1952
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:52,879
Speaker 4: Bam Rodriguez gets the win over Patrick Gavada.

1953
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: We'll talk about him in just a second.

1954
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 4: In the main event, Giron Boots Ennis does get the win,

1955
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 4: and if you look at the scores, the lowest of them,

1956
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 4: at least the narrowest of them, was a one sixteen

1957
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 4: to one ten scorecard. He got a pretty wide decision

1958
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 4: win again in a rematch against Karnen tu Kazan, but

1959
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 4: Bce he was not impressive. This was not a well

1960
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 4: I should say, at a bare minimum, people have questions and

1961
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 4: concerns after this.

1962
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 1: Yes, now, Tu Kazan fought differently.

1963
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 4: In the first fight when we were together on showtime,

1964
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 4: he literally ran the entire time.

1965
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: He took a two boots.

1966
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 2: This time he had a chin and a half on him.

1967
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 4: So let me ask the question this way, is Boots

1968
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 4: overrated or did he have a mediocre performance just this

1969
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 4: one time? Or are expectations of him too high after

1970
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 4: what we saw?

1971
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: Thank god, it's a little piece of all of those.

1972
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, he's trending torn overrated just

1973
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: because of the unfortunate nature of where he's been a

1974
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: big ish name and a champion the last few fights,

1975
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 2: but completely unable to consistently get the right kind of

1976
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: competition that would not only allow him to take next

1977
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 2: steps in his career, what would allow us to find

1978
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 2: out exactly who he is beyond what we've already seen

1979
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 2: from the flash and the craft and the creativity and

1980
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: everything about him which screams two point zero fighter of

1981
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: the future. But the thing is that's all still true.

1982
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 2: And a big problem of this, in my opinion, is

1983
01:21:15,439 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 2: the bad pr that he himself put on himself. Luke,

1984
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,799
Speaker 2: you had to have heard that post fight interview where

1985
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 2: he said some things that made it look heavy on

1986
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: excuses and said, well, you know, this is what happened

1987
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 2: when I'm going to fight a low profile guy and

1988
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, you don't get up for it. Fans don't

1989
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 2: want to hear that, and you know that makes you

1990
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 2: look bad to say stuff like that. It might be

1991
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 2: partially true. I actually think it might actually be strongly true,

1992
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 2: but that's not a good thing to say. There was

1993
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: a few stings of that idea, like, you know, put

1994
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: me in there with somebody with a pulse and you'll see.

1995
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: But here's the deal.

1996
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 2: Entertainment wise, we looked out the first fight was a negative, negative,

1997
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 2: negative in every way, one twenty to one away and

1998
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 2: all three scorecards and a boofest. This guy Karen came

1999
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 2: to fight, and he leaned on his chin and he

2000
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: made this a fight. Boots looked spectacular at times. You

2001
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: got the full Boots offensive experience in the first two

2002
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 2: thirds of this fight, scored a knockdown, looked like he

2003
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: was close to getting them out of there, hurt him

2004
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 2: a bunch of times. Here became the problem Boots made

2005
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 2: this fight because Boots was in a crossroads situation. Out

2006
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,519
Speaker 2: of this fight, it was either give up your belt

2007
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 2: and officially go to one fifty four or take this

2008
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: completely unnecessary fight by the IBF in hopes that we

2009
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 2: can land a welterweight title unification fight after this. So

2010
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: in that regard, Boots put all the pressure on himself

2011
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 2: to get the knockout no matter what, so he at

2012
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 2: least could best what happened in the first time around,

2013
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 2: because shutting that man out wasn't enough.

2014
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: People did not like that fight.

2015
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 2: But Luke in the second half, he got way too

2016
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 2: focused on that and his corner was also part of

2017
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: the problem, as his father, Bosey and then were and

2018
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: I get what they're coming from, but they were just like,

2019
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: go out there and finish him already. That was basically

2020
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: the tone they set. So Boots tried too hard to

2021
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 2: make that magic happen against a guy who came in

2022
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: publicly said this week, although no one paid a tention

2023
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: that he was embarrassed by his performance the first time around.

2024
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: So he was going to lean on his Ukrainian heritage

2025
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: and he brought the.

2026
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: War a lot.

2027
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 2: And what we missed was a determined guy came in

2028
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 2: that ring, and a determined guy down the stretch. To

2029
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 2: credit Kara and Chukazhan, he lit up Boots like Boots' defense,

2030
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: we saw major holes in it.

2031
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: In the second half. Boots got lit up far more.

2032
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 2: Than what we're used to, and at times it just

2033
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 2: he looked a little lost. I think ultimately that's where

2034
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: Boots is at in his career right now, a little lost.

2035
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 2: He's got to pick the right lane business wise of

2036
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: what's the most reasonable and understandable big fight he can get.

2037
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: But I don't think this result hurts him, even though

2038
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: I think he put himself in bad pr because what's

2039
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: been Boots's biggest problem getting people to fight him. Luke,

2040
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 2: this is the greatest advertisement for him, not potentially not

2041
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: being all he actually has been sold to be. I

2042
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: think this is going to allow some of these fights

2043
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 2: to start to happen. I actually like that tweet that

2044
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: Bud Crawford, who is a future potential opponent for Boots,

2045
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,720
Speaker 2: put that on put and encouraging tweet for him to

2046
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: say where he said at Jaron Ennis, I did see

2047
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: the fight, but I didn't see the fight, but I

2048
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: heard about it. I think what he's trying to say,

2049
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: stay focused and keep working on your craft. Every night's

2050
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,799
Speaker 2: not going to be the same. Never get too comfortable

2051
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: in this game. If you're trying to get to the

2052
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 2: mecca of the sport, stay on your mission because it

2053
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 2: all takes. All takes his one slip up that was

2054
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: like half encouragement from Bud big brother and also like

2055
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 2: also like, hey, why don't you come up here on

2056
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: my level? Like you know you're gonna have to put

2057
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 2: your pieces together. But I think what Bud's saying there

2058
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 2: is true, Like Boots is still the goods, He's not perfect.

2059
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 2: There's things he has to fix, and the defense is

2060
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: one of them, especially when he's really going for it

2061
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 2: like he was in the second half of that fight.

2062
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: But maybe he didn't. It's not like we saw him

2063
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 2: knocked down or getting stumbling around. Maybe he felt like

2064
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: he could take that risk in that moment. Maybe he

2065
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 2: knew that after you know, they did twenty four rounds

2066
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 2: with Chuckin's in, maybe he knew he could handle that power.

2067
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse away what Boots did. Boots

2068
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 2: showed us that he's not fully there and needs to

2069
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: sharpen it. But it makes sense because he's twenty seven

2070
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: and hasn't had a significant fight in a while. I'm

2071
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 2: just saying this result is gonna get people to be

2072
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: more willing to fight him, and I think him choosing

2073
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 2: to take this fight means that they.

2074
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: Want to they want to unify.

2075
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 2: So hopefully he's gonna get a chance against one of

2076
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,559
Speaker 2: these walterweight champions to do it. But if the chance

2077
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 2: that he gets is instead one fifty four or Virgil

2078
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 2: Ortiz Junior, which if you listen to Oscar and Eddie Hern,

2079
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: they want to do this Golden Boy versus Matt Room thing,

2080
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: then they got to pick a lane and they gotta

2081
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 2: go hard after it, and they do have some work

2082
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: to do. But I'm not here to like say doomsday

2083
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 2: is coming. I didn't necessarily see that. I saw a

2084
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 2: lot of people say that Ryan Garcia is like, I'm

2085
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,439
Speaker 2: gonna knock you out now, you know you just.

2086
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: Proved what what do you think about that?

2087
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 2: I tend to protect these young boxers at times, but

2088
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 2: I think I saw enough to know, yeah, you gotta

2089
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: you gotta.

2090
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: You gotta do that a little bit.

2091
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 2: But he was in a tough spot where he knew

2092
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: ko or nothing or he was gonna get booed and

2093
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: talk bad about anyway. So I'm not necessarily mad at

2094
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 2: him for trying for the knockout. In it not going perfectly,

2095
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 2: He's still got a wide dominant win.

2096
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 4: In a lot of ways, I think that this win

2097
01:25:56,760 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 4: was There are ways in which, to the point that

2098
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:03,840
Speaker 4: you raise, it could be a long term thing for

2099
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 4: him that is just fine. But I actually think this

2100
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 4: law excuse me, this win for him was bad and

2101
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 4: a lot of important respects shouts, you know, sean to

2102
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 4: tell love him, Yeah, he's great. I did see his

2103
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 4: postfight reaction and I thought it was really really smart.

2104
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 4: He kind of crystallized something that had been kind of

2105
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 4: circulating in my head but I couldn't formulate.

2106
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 1: And basically he was like, if.

2107
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,640
Speaker 4: You just look at who Boots was when he was

2108
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,719
Speaker 4: beating the Caustio Claytons and the Sergey Liponets of the world.

2109
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 4: He was doing the exact same thing. He was being

2110
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 4: defensively lax in this way. And if you actually go

2111
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 4: back and look in both those fights, certainly the Lipinitz

2112
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 4: fight and not less so the Clayton fighters don't think

2113
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 4: it was very long. But in the lipit It's fight

2114
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 4: he was getting tagged a little bit. It just didn't

2115
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 4: matter because he eventually closed the show, you know, with

2116
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 4: relatively quick relatively quickness, relatively with a relative.

2117
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: Quckness, excuse me.

2118
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 4: And there was a lot of consternation as you pointed

2119
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 4: out about his corner being like you know, not giving

2120
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 4: him technical advice, just getting him out of there. But

2121
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: the reason, like why all of these things are relevant

2122
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: and why I'm bringing them up is he learned that

2123
01:26:57,160 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 4: you can just fight that way, if you've got extra

2124
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 4: level ability, you can kind of coast on that, you

2125
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 4: can kind of just ignore your fundamentals because eventually you

2126
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 4: are going to get him out of there. Eventually you

2127
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,680
Speaker 4: are just gonna wallop him, right, you are going to

2128
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 4: put him away. But you couldn't put away Chu kanz On.

2129
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 4: He actually stayed there round after round. He did drop

2130
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 4: him in the fifth, but round after round, and uh,

2131
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 4: the point I'm trying to make is, dude, he was

2132
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 4: landing between the punches of Boots where Boots is wide open,

2133
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 4: and if you go back and watch too, like Boots

2134
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 4: will shoot the jab and then the hand just lowers

2135
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 4: and then slowly brings it up.

2136
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 1: These are openings that you see.

2137
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 4: On camera and you think to yourself, oh, well, it

2138
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 4: doesn't matter because he's really good. But Chu Kazan saw

2139
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 4: that and was like, I'm gonna hit that. So's That's

2140
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 4: one I'm trying to make. I'm not saying BC at

2141
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 4: thirty two fights at twenty seven years old, that his

2142
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 4: development is fucked. I am gonna say it's a little

2143
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:51,719
Speaker 4: off track.

2144
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 2: Well, here's a lot of if I'm gonna make the argument,

2145
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 2: and I did, and I believe it that marketing wise

2146
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: and him getting better fights is actually a plus in

2147
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 2: the end. I think this is also a plus in

2148
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,760
Speaker 2: the end if you take the John Kavanaugh route and

2149
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 2: look at it, as you know, there's no losses, just

2150
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 2: learning lessons. I think what Boots benefits here is he

2151
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,640
Speaker 2: can learn a big lesson here in a win and

2152
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 2: a relatively wide one. Yes, where he took me, you know,

2153
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: maybe unnecessary damage late going for risks. But looka here's

2154
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: the biggest lesson that he needs to learn. And you

2155
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 2: tell me if you think you know that him and

2156
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 2: his team are going to view it this way, and

2157
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 2: they should. His biggest fights will be at one fifty four.

2158
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 2: We all know that he knows that it might be soon.

2159
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:27,640
Speaker 2: It might be his next fight, for all we know.

2160
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 2: I think that this proved against a determined guy with

2161
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 2: a chin in Chukasan who overachieved in terms of his

2162
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 2: punch resistance. Here that maybe Boots doesn't have that one big,

2163
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 2: one big knockout punch that you know. He's a fantastic

2164
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: sensational guy and when he has you hurt, he puts

2165
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,440
Speaker 2: together vicious and exciting combinations.

2166
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: But maybe he's not that one punch guy.

2167
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: And maybe at one fifty four they're going to need

2168
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 2: to be more of a boxer. So why not learn

2169
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 2: this lesson now? Of when I throw my a game

2170
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: and I throw everyone at everything at them and they

2171
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: don't go away, well, then how do I finish that

2172
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 2: fight the best possible way?

2173
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: What he did in this case is the wrong way.

2174
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 2: He took a lot of chances and went for a

2175
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: knockout that ultimately didn't happen, And now people are on

2176
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 2: shows talking bad about him. If he can learn this

2177
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: lesson though, and I think you're gonna learn that in

2178
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 2: the ring no matter what, whether you know what I mean,

2179
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 2: against the tough one to fifty fours with chins, he's

2180
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 2: got to have an ability once he realizes he can't

2181
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 2: get the guy out of there, to adjust to a

2182
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: boxing strategy that will still be as wide and dominant

2183
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,280
Speaker 2: where he can control rounds, land the bigger punches and

2184
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 2: not get hit because he's gonna find more chins. Like no,

2185
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: these guys will. These guys will not back down, and

2186
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 2: they will. They will. They'll make him, you know, they'll

2187
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 2: they'll knock him out. So this is the big lesson

2188
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: that they have to learn right now. So I don't

2189
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 2: mean to overly, you know, play up the situation like

2190
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: don't worry, nothing to see here, He'll be fine. I'm

2191
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 2: saying they need to learn that lesson. Hopefully they will

2192
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 2: after that they know how ultimately what really happened in

2193
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 2: that ring.

2194
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: So crowd was quiet at the end of the twelfth too.

2195
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 2: Sure I mean, Chuckson was rallying back in those final

2196
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 2: couple of rounds, was landing bombs, and.

2197
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 4: We do have him talking about Boots potentially going to

2198
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 4: one fifty four in a postfi com Let's see what

2199
01:29:57,960 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 4: he says.

2200
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Sounds like you're ready to get out of one four.

2201
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 6: No.

2202
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:03,839
Speaker 8: I mean, if we can get one of these guys

2203
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 8: and stop playing, yeah, let's make it happen, you know,

2204
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 8: But if not, man fifty four year come.

2205
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the best interview from him.

2206
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: I thought it was not very great.

2207
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 4: But what he's saying is, yeah, if we can unify

2208
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 4: this title, I'll fight guys at forty seven. If not,

2209
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,480
Speaker 4: I do think that cut to forty seven.

2210
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 2: He mentioned at the beginning of that interview, he mentioned

2211
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 2: he almost blamed away the performance.

2212
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: On the cut. The cut is substantial for him.

2213
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 2: I agree with that. So I'm one, you know, maybe

2214
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 2: I think here's the deal.

2215
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: I know they want a fe unification. I know all

2216
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 1: fighters want that.

2217
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 2: You want to become a unified champion, gain another belt,

2218
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,560
Speaker 2: but the other guys with belts aren't like necessarily superstars

2219
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: at this moment that are going to draw big paydays, right,

2220
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, if you get you know him,

2221
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 2: Mario Barrios, I'm on stani osis brobably Norman Junior who's

2222
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: on the rise for sure, But like those fights aren't

2223
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 2: defining fights anyway. Go to fifty four where you won't

2224
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 2: be compromised, and like we just talked about, he's got

2225
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 2: to make those adjustments and learn how to fight against

2226
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 2: durable guys who are going to be there anyway. He's

2227
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: got to be able to adjust his game and be

2228
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,559
Speaker 2: able to outbox them down the stretch like that. And

2229
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 2: I think this was more of him just trying too hard.

2230
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 1: There's a lot of lessons that can learn.

2231
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: But maybe now is the time to go to fifty

2232
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:07,640
Speaker 2: four and figure this out because that's where the big

2233
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 2: money fights out, that's where the big challenges are for him.

2234
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: So I'm always for anyone fighting closer.

2235
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 1: To their way.

2236
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 2: I think we just need to also realize that I

2237
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to get big stoppages at that level.

2238
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 2: He's got such physical attributes, he's got a great mind

2239
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 2: for how how him and his dad approach the game

2240
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 2: plan and offensively, how they surround you and the footwork.

2241
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 2: I mean, everything about it is next level. Focus on

2242
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,600
Speaker 2: that and realize that you're going to be in for

2243
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: some tough fights.

2244
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 4: He's learned how to fight with poor defensive habits, yes,

2245
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 4: and if he doesn't fix that as he moves up,

2246
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 4: it will cost him dearly.

2247
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 2: I agree with you, because they're going to find out that.

2248
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 2: But that's that's the adjustment they have to make after

2249
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 2: this fight. How quickly they can do that will define

2250
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 2: their future, obviously, but it I'm not I'm not blind

2251
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: to the question marks that this put on that puts

2252
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 2: on him and his brand and all of that in

2253
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 2: his stock, if you will, right, But what now we're

2254
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 2: going to find now is the moment we're going to

2255
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: fight out how good he is.

2256
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 4: Hilariously, Blair Cobbs tried to insert himself as a potential

2257
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 4: opponent for Jaron Nis and Eddie Hern would wanted none

2258
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 4: of this.

2259
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 11: Let's see, Look, we know the two options that you

2260
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:16,600
Speaker 11: want to pick, but there's still a third option. That

2261
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 11: third option is the most exciting man in Boston, Bladder

2262
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:26,520
Speaker 11: Flair fighting Jerome Boots in a major hit in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

2263
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 10: Can I yeah, thank you. We're gonna leave the messages

2264
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 10: to the media, but one thing I will say is

2265
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 10: I like you, Blair. I think you're a very funny guy.

2266
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: I will go viral again.

2267
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, and they think you can fight. But we

2268
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 10: got to move on to that next level now because.

2269
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 11: Okay, so you're saying you want to move on to

2270
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 11: the next level, but I'm yet still the only fighter

2271
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 11: in the Walterway division that actually fought a major name.

2272
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: So why not make this fight.

2273
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 10: Happen because we want eva a major name.

2274
01:32:59,120 --> 01:32:59,840
Speaker 2: Or major name?

2275
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: Is Blair the Flair?

2276
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 10: No, I'm afraid you're not.

2277
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 11: You say you're definitely the last time to my not

2278
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 11: the too file from Browner.

2279
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter Adrian.

2280
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,839
Speaker 11: The last time he went viral on on Instagram, on Facebook,

2281
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 11: Adrian Browner, he is shot to pieces right.

2282
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 10: Let me tell you one thing now, whilst they take

2283
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 10: the microne off you. I think you're a lovely guy.

2284
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 6: We move.

2285
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: I've got a good fight for you.

2286
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 10: Karen Dais No, absolutely not. You've never done enough in

2287
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 10: your career to fight your.

2288
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 1: On in this because you you being.

2289
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 10: Next Blair Blair, You've never you do.

2290
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: Not have a stop it, you do not have it.

2291
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,640
Speaker 10: You do you do not have he thought Chris ol

2292
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 10: Jerry is a former world champion.

2293
01:33:51,479 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 1: By the way.

2294
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, By the way, we're going to move on to

2295
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 10: the media. There was great chatting to you every home

2296
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 10: should right.

2297
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 2: Wow, damn wild stuff there from Eddie. Do you think

2298
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 2: there's any truth though, in the thing that Jeron did

2299
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,799
Speaker 2: say in that in the initial post fight interview with Mannix,

2300
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: where he said about the level of competition and raising

2301
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:15,080
Speaker 2: him up, it's.

2302
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: A horrible excuse to put out there. I think it is.

2303
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 4: I think the fact that he has not been able

2304
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 4: to get the fights at the appropriate.

2305
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: Time in his career, the challenge him.

2306
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 4: Has also affected his development, and he knows are the

2307
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 4: two are connected.

2308
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:28,760
Speaker 2: And he knows that and is voicing that.

2309
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:29,600
Speaker 1: So do you So?

2310
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 2: I guess this is my long way of saying I

2311
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 2: think he should go into a hard fight. I think

2312
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 2: he should move up to fifty four where the challenges

2313
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,679
Speaker 2: will be bigger. And do you think some of those

2314
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 2: defensive holes that we saw in a fight where he

2315
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 2: was actively trying to create any situation to get the

2316
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 2: guy out of there, do you think those go away

2317
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 2: when he respects the power of across.

2318
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 4: I hope, I hope very quickly if we can. Yeah,

2319
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 4: Bam Rodriguez co main event.

2320
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: He makes it look so easy. He is.

2321
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this and I put up a

2322
01:34:56,479 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 4: little thing on my Instagram stories.

2323
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 1: If you are so.

2324
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 4: I remember when I was years ago working at MMA Fighting,

2325
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 4: I was thinking like watching Pakia and I remember at

2326
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 4: the time, you guys might remember this, but Dana White

2327
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,600
Speaker 4: was like a big manny Pacquiao fans. And when Pakia

2328
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 4: was in his prime, like the guy that beat Hatton,

2329
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 4: the guy that beat De la Hoya, Right, I'm.

2330
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: Getting it right.

2331
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, when he beat those guys, he had a machine

2332
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 4: gun style of offense. Like when he moved downhill on you,

2333
01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:25,839
Speaker 4: it was fucking over and it was like so easy

2334
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 4: for MMA fans to get behind that guy, which is

2335
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 4: why Floyd was also you know, defensive and slick.

2336
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people don't throw successive five punch combinations all.

2337
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 1: The time, yea.

2338
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 4: And the guy moved up from like what one, O

2339
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 4: seven or whatever it was to get to you know,

2340
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 4: the in the to the one forties.

2341
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: And so the point I wanted to make was I

2342
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:42,799
Speaker 1: was gonna wait to see who.

2343
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 4: The inheritor was of the most friendly boxing style for

2344
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:47,639
Speaker 4: MMA fans.

2345
01:35:48,160 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 1: It's Bam Rodriguez.

2346
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 4: He is all action, move forward, but technical, slick, smart,

2347
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:56,320
Speaker 4: easy to.

2348
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Like, Fish's super efficient.

2349
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 4: He is a wizard. What can you say about this win?

2350
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 4: First guy to stop Patrick Gavana.

2351
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Gavara by the way, thirty five year old

2352
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 2: former champion in a different weight class, Like was just

2353
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 2: beat Andrew Maloney by split decision, Like she had a

2354
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,800
Speaker 2: big win on the road. And he goes in there

2355
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 2: and just how how easy did he make it look?

2356
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 2: He connected on seventy three percent.

2357
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 1: Of his power. It's insane.

2358
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: For two and a half rinds, that's insane. It's something

2359
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 2: where you're what, okay, this is a weird comparison. Do

2360
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,600
Speaker 2: you remember Vince Young's rookie year with the Titans?

2361
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: It was very good.

2362
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: You know, he had like really good, respectable rookie numbers.

2363
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 2: He was rallying them to big wins. I think they

2364
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,639
Speaker 2: made the playoffs, right, did they? I know he made

2365
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. He when he ran through defenses, it

2366
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 2: looked like he was just jogging. He just glides through.

2367
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 2: There's something visually when you watch Bam, it looks very

2368
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 2: simple what he's doing and coming and setting up. It's

2369
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 2: just that everything lands cleanly, fast and powerful and just

2370
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:55,599
Speaker 2: cleans up. And he takes his time, as do most

2371
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 2: great fighters, to download the data and you know, take

2372
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:00,880
Speaker 2: a picture and figure it out. But once he starts

2373
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 2: moving in and with that confidence, dude.

2374
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: His footwork is so so so good.

2375
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 2: He almost has no business a twenty five four year

2376
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,360
Speaker 2: old from San Antonio who has the cool tats and

2377
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: the big following.

2378
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 1: You're just like, oh, he's an all action prowler.

2379
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 2: He has no business being this great technically, but he

2380
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,160
Speaker 2: goes in there and just makes it look like there's

2381
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 2: no defense in front of him, that he's just gonna

2382
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 2: weave right in and just nail everything at the right

2383
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 2: moment with the right technique the right I mean, and

2384
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 2: he's a dog and he wants to be great. There's

2385
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,160
Speaker 2: nothing I can say negative right now about Jesse Rodriquez.

2386
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 1: Skill show absolutely did.

2387
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 2: The crowd was ramped up in their for him too,

2388
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 2: so good move by Mattrium Sport, knowing that they had

2389
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 2: a main event that was gonna be hard to sell

2390
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 2: to pair with this, and he absolutely delivered. And now

2391
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 2: we're literally only talking about what's next for him.

2392
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 1: Either.

2393
01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 2: Thirty seven year old Chuck Latito and a you know,

2394
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 2: monumental passing of the torch fight or how much longer.

2395
01:37:57,479 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: Until a new way?

2396
01:37:58,120 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 2: I mean he's actually voicing that, like, yeah, I could

2397
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 2: see myself at one twenty six and one thirty down

2398
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,600
Speaker 2: the road and I'm ready for a new aay, Like,

2399
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: holy shit, he's the guy.

2400
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: And it's not that he's been perfect all the way.

2401
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 2: You can watch some of his fights on the way up,

2402
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 2: and he had to learn sef this for sure, But

2403
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 2: when he's flowing, when he's in that flow state, there

2404
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: are a few that are.

2405
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 1: Just that it's just perfection.

2406
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 4: And he's just twenty four. He's just twenty four. He

2407
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 4: has time and will get better from me.

2408
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: He dropped out of school in the seventh grade and

2409
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 2: was like homeschooling, get out of here, and then was

2410
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 2: like a student of the craft.

2411
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: That's it incredible to watch. Those are our top five topics.

2412
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh don't you dare forget Keyshon Davis?

2413
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 4: Oh I did forget Kishon Davis. Why don't tell us

2414
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,200
Speaker 4: very quickly about what happened?

2415
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So we had the top ranked card in Norfolk

2416
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 2: on Friday night. It was a showcase of you know,

2417
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Parnell Whitaker's legacy in a lot of ways, with the

2418
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: family passing the torch of that to the Davis family.

2419
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,760
Speaker 2: All three brothers fought on the card and by the way,

2420
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 2: the youngest brother, Keon, making his debut. He's a six

2421
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 2: foot three welterweight, although this fight was at one fifty four. Yeah,

2422
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 2: he looked to be the goods for the future.

2423
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:58,960
Speaker 1: But what Kishon Davis did, and.

2424
01:38:59,000 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 2: We're talking about the e the bad ass ease in

2425
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 2: which he went in there against Gustavo Limos who had

2426
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: missed weight by an atrocious what six point four pounds

2427
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 2: like that barely made the rehydration limit the next morning,

2428
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 2: and then got on the scale before the fight and

2429
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:15,440
Speaker 2: was one fifty.

2430
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 1: Five for a lightweight bout.

2431
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,679
Speaker 2: So you're basically seeing Keishaan, who the card was built

2432
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 2: around him and his family helped sell out the ten

2433
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 2: thousand plus seats against the junior middleweight, and he walked

2434
01:39:25,920 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 2: through with like can I say on this show, fucking

2435
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 2: ease and look like a monster, even though Keishon in

2436
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 2: reality is a very good offensive boxer who can do

2437
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of everything. Dude, he looked like a

2438
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 2: damn monster in there. Putting together those power shots and

2439
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 2: dropping uh limos a couple times and then just that

2440
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 2: left uppercut, which, as Tim Bradley on the broadcast rightfully said,

2441
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 2: it was like unnecessary and nasty. The way he threw

2442
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 2: that one extra punch in to seize the moment when

2443
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 2: you're when you're a growing star and knock it out

2444
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,760
Speaker 2: of the park. That well, that perfectly, even in a

2445
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,479
Speaker 2: compromised ish situation against a guy who purposely seemed to

2446
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 2: miswait and then you go knock knock Dervante afterwards, Jeff's kiss, dude,

2447
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 2: like that is that's a star, that twenty five year

2448
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 2: old I was. I don't want to say I was slow,

2449
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:16,479
Speaker 2: because we all knew about him coming out of the

2450
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,120
Speaker 2: Olympics and everything, but to really catch up to how

2451
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,799
Speaker 2: good he is. Sometimes guys fool us because they're flashy,

2452
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 2: and then sometimes it just sort of happens at the

2453
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:28,160
Speaker 2: right time where you go, holy shit, that's a that's

2454
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 2: guys close to a damn finished product. Dude, He's going

2455
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 2: to be a big time player from here on out.

2456
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 2: Is there anything that I mean? Did you? I mean,

2457
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm having Ilio Traporia moments.

2458
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 6: Watch.

2459
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2460
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 4: No, I will tell you that like that Tidewater region.

2461
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 4: I've said it before. It's hard to explain nless you've

2462
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 4: ever been down there. But they love their athletes in

2463
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 4: a very unique way. And why do boxers go home, right,

2464
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 4: why do they go to their hometowns? Okay, they can

2465
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 4: sell a lot, that's true, but it's not like you're

2466
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 4: going to make a killing. It was a ten thousand arena.

2467
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,639
Speaker 4: It's a smaller arena. It's not about that. It's because

2468
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 4: when you see them in their local unity, that's the

2469
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 4: first time you see another side of them. And I

2470
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 4: really felt like I understood who Kishon Davis was better

2471
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 4: after seeing the high school marching band come out and

2472
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 4: how proud he was of Norfolk, and the connection to

2473
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 4: Prenell Whitaker, like everything began to get connected.

2474
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 2: His rough childhood, which I didn't even know anything about.

2475
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: All those guys.

2476
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 4: I mean, any kind of athlete who comes out of

2477
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 4: there has some kind of hard scrabble story.

2478
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:21,200
Speaker 1: It's a tough area.

2479
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 4: But I just felt like they pieced together parts of

2480
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 4: his personality in ways that or his story in his life.

2481
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 4: I found myself now being so much more invested in

2482
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 4: the Kishon Davis story. Yeah, because he kicked the guy's ass.

2483
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 4: Of course, that is first and foremost, but all the

2484
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 4: other pieces.

2485
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 2: We see they worked in the corner too.

2486
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Oh Mac eaton cheetahs back there. Shit.

2487
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 2: And then you know, you see the influence of Shirkers Stevenson,

2488
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:48,839
Speaker 2: which means he's also getting spiring time with Terrence Crawford.

2489
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 2: So that sort of silo over there of fighters in

2490
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 2: the Bullmack, you know, bud system there that's only iron

2491
01:41:56,040 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 2: sharpening iron on top of somebody who's already as you

2492
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:00,320
Speaker 2: can see, a fantastic talent. And you saw, you know,

2493
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 2: the love and concern for his brothers. He was ringside

2494
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 2: when he could be for his brother's fights on the

2495
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 2: same night. This was a coming out party for what

2496
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 2: do they call themselves?

2497
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: dB THREEB three.

2498
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 2: I think it was a coming out party, but quickly

2499
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 2: because we both love him.

2500
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 1: Abdullah Mason, Oh my god, round Round of the Year.

2501
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 2: It's dropped twice again. Did you see the dew tear

2502
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 2: cut that dropped him.

2503
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: He had the thing in the back.

2504
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 2: The full back of the head hair, but nothing else.

2505
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:25,639
Speaker 1: I gotta say, young men's hair. I'm not cool.

2506
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 4: I don't have anything cool. I don't do anything cool.

2507
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 4: But young men's haircuts today, y'all look like fucking morons.

2508
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 4: I don't know what you're doing. You look terrible.

2509
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, in two of those two knockdowns, he had a

2510
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 2: knockdown between those two, so there was three knockdowns in

2511
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 2: that first round, and then Mason would go on to

2512
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 2: finish him, and then him and his dad in the

2513
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 2: corner afterwards were like, you know, prospect of the year,

2514
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 2: five wins all by knockout. He's still the goods. But

2515
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,520
Speaker 2: that's a learning lesson in that fight, no question.

2516
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: No question about it. But there was a bunch to

2517
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: happen this weekend. So there you go. There are five topics.

2518
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Will that in mind, b C. Let's go to the

2519
01:42:57,960 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: point where the the viewers the listeners get to ask

2520
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: us questions. Yeah, it's time for dms from the Dickey

2521
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 1: don't disgusting all right?

2522
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:12,440
Speaker 4: This is from Fuzzy Dunlop underscore one after the milestone

2523
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 4: of one hundred UFC fight nights. Just how anti climactic

2524
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 4: and half passed. But we didn't pick this was this

2525
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 4: Saturday's event.

2526
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 1: Disappointing. I am oh in my opinion, what do you

2527
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: think you see?

2528
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 6: Uh?

2529
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt dead in there.

2530
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: I was actually, to be fair, there were some fans there.

2531
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 2: Even though they got a great fight for it. I

2532
01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 2: was disappointed when it was the twentieth and twenty fifth

2533
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 2: anniversary show in twenty eighteen and they in Colorado. Yeah,

2534
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 2: and they did like a fight night and they did

2535
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 2: a couple of bells and whistles. They had like the

2536
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 2: old graphics at one point, the old sound, but like

2537
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,000
Speaker 2: it wasn't like boys Gracie and everybody's sitting in the

2538
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:44,400
Speaker 2: front row.

2539
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't.

2540
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,120
Speaker 2: It didn't feel like that, like a big celebration. Then

2541
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 2: they had that great This was on.

2542
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,920
Speaker 4: Par with Belltour one hundred and people asked Jorn Rebney

2543
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 4: at the time, like, hey, you got anything smuch for

2544
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,240
Speaker 4: a BELTI one hundred and in classic beyond Revene fashion,

2545
01:43:55,240 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 4: he was like, no, no, I'm not going to do

2546
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 4: nothing special.

2547
01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 2: This is the state of the fight night cards. This

2548
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 2: card it wasn't awful. There's good enough to lead talk

2549
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:03,720
Speaker 2: about it.

2550
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 4: There was two twenty minute intermissions in this one because

2551
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 4: they are the fights were going so.

2552
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 2: Quickly, and also a couple of fights fell apart last minute.

2553
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: That's also true.

2554
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 4: So I was gonna say this though, of course the

2555
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,600
Speaker 4: fights are you know, it's like the lowest, it's the

2556
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:17,080
Speaker 4: lowest priority of what they do, right, That's what it is.

2557
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 1: The lowest they actually care about. Dana Way Contender series

2558
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 1: is much more, much more. So I was gonna say this.

2559
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 4: We're hearing a lot of talk about the UFC breaking

2560
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 4: up their broadcast deal. Some people will get this, some

2561
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:28,720
Speaker 4: people will get that.

2562
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 1: Who's going to get this? How do you sell that

2563
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:35,479
Speaker 1: to them? It's like, this is the lowest fucking ship

2564
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,080
Speaker 1: we do Fight Pass.

2565
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 4: Keep it on, okay, but then you're not making any money.

2566
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:42,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I will someone pay for I guess somebody.

2567
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 5: They used to do those fight Pass exclusive cards back in.

2568
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 2: The Yeah, but somebody it. They'll get more money on

2569
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 2: on a TV channel wanting to get in on the UFC.

2570
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 2: And you can look, even with what I thought was

2571
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 2: a really shitty year for fight night cards and main

2572
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 2: events in general, you still have enough names sprinkled in

2573
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 2: throughout where. I think if you're a TV network, and

2574
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,680
Speaker 2: especially if you're not you know, day to day hardcore fan,

2575
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 2: then I don't see that. I don't think they're gonna

2576
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 2: have a problem selling. I mean, that's a that's almost

2577
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 2: the problem of where we are right now, and it's

2578
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: comparable to where WWE was during some hard years in

2579
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 2: modern history too, where they're making money hand over fist

2580
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 2: in every possible financial category that it became hard to

2581
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 2: be that fan slash journalist podcaster who'd get mad at

2582
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 2: their creative directions which were constantly going nowhere and we're

2583
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:26,719
Speaker 2: just insulting to the fans.

2584
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: But then you're like, why should they care? They're making money.

2585
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 2: You have season that same boat in a lot of

2586
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 2: ways right now, Dude, they're gonna make killings on this

2587
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 2: TV deal.

2588
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: I think, Jim. I think if they improve the apex,

2589
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 1: which there's been talk about them doing, expanding it, adding

2590
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: more seating, like we saw for that wwext event.

2591
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:43,360
Speaker 4: I don't remember which one it was, but I saw

2592
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 4: the screenshots. I was fucking blown away. If you do

2593
01:45:45,880 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 4: that and you get you know, a little bit more

2594
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 4: emphasis put on it, I think you can definitely sell

2595
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:53,679
Speaker 4: it and you'll quell.

2596
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:57,080
Speaker 1: With it about it. From Jbiebes three thousand.

2597
01:45:57,240 --> 01:46:00,600
Speaker 4: Justin Bieber, who looked more spectacular this week on the

2598
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,760
Speaker 4: boxing kishan Or Bam.

2599
01:46:02,479 --> 01:46:05,080
Speaker 2: I think Kishan given the circumstances, even though Bam was

2600
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 2: in there against a tougher opponent. I think the circumstances

2601
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 2: of Kishan being in the main event, his opponent being overweight,

2602
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 2: and I mean Bam was spectacular, but BAM's already in

2603
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 2: the pump for pump top ten right like BAM's already

2604
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 2: at twenty had a.

2605
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: Bigger breakout moment for sure.

2606
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 4: This because he was headlining and they had the whole

2607
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,280
Speaker 4: Norfolk thing going on. I felt like this was like

2608
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,679
Speaker 4: a bigger occasion for him. Yes, even though Bam looked

2609
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 4: like a million bucks?

2610
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 2: What do you make of the people that say on

2611
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:32,360
Speaker 2: the Givante call out? Kishan knows damn well that those.

2612
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Promoters aren't putting that fight together anytime soon. Those mouths

2613
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,320
Speaker 1: don't get fed, That's what I'm saying, Those mouth don't

2614
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:37,719
Speaker 1: get fed.

2615
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 2: I mean, let's make two networks work together.

2616
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:40,759
Speaker 1: Let's get those type of fights.

2617
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 4: But like, do you think he's so If the fighters

2618
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 4: want it, fights can be made.

2619
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 2: But he's only twelve, and oh, do you think he's

2620
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 2: ready to fight Tank?

2621
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 6: No?

2622
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: I think Tank would fuck him up, But I think

2623
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 1: it'd be fun to see you know, they want smoke.

2624
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 2: The young fighters want to smoke.

2625
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: The fucking smoke.

2626
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,240
Speaker 4: I love it from Eric Bolden. What is a more

2627
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,120
Speaker 4: exciting fight for I'm assuming he means Charles Olivera if

2628
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 4: he wins BC, Max Holloway for the BMF, or a

2629
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,000
Speaker 4: rematch with Islam. Now listen to what he said, what's

2630
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 4: a more exciting fight?

2631
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Given that it's Olivera, any fight can be.

2632
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 1: A fight with Max would also be a rematch.

2633
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want the Max fight.

2634
01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 1: A lot of people do.

2635
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 2: It would be a rematch, but it's at such a

2636
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 2: different time in their careers and their circumstances at the moment.

2637
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:24,320
Speaker 2: It would be a number one contender fight in a

2638
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 2: lot of ways with both guys. Like let's not forget

2639
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,600
Speaker 2: that Max did fight gai Chi before the loss and

2640
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 2: knocked them out. So yeah, but you know, if you

2641
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 2: get the title opportunity, it's not that he's sorry.

2642
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 4: I don't think beating Chandler after losing to Saryuki in

2643
01:47:37,320 --> 01:47:38,559
Speaker 4: entitles you to fight Islam.

2644
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that if you're who.

2645
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 2: If you're Charles, Yeah, so you're not. You don't believe that.

2646
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 4: Michael Chandler's been out by the way, so on this card,

2647
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 4: John Jones, stepe and Chandler, these are the three fighters

2648
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 4: who have the most in terms of like one, two,

2649
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 4: and three. Who has the longest existing layoffs on the

2650
01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 4: UFC roster, it's stepe, A, Jones and Chandler. To tell me,

2651
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 4: I Foldivera after losing to sarr Yuki in a three

2652
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 4: hundred beats him, he gets a title shot at the funck.

2653
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,439
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're I don't know where you got

2654
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:06,800
Speaker 2: that from.

2655
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: I said that.

2656
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 2: This is why I said it would be a number

2657
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 2: one contender going in. Well, so you're saying that justify Yeah, yeah,

2658
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,600
Speaker 2: but just the same. I love the storyline of that.

2659
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 2: Olivera basically said, look at all my fights in a row,

2660
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,439
Speaker 2: the only bad one was Islam and I was just off.

2661
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 2: You know, he blames on himself. I was just off

2662
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 2: that night and says that was like an aberration. See

2663
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 2: what I can do in the rematch if he earns

2664
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 2: his way back there, that's gonna be a halacious fight.

2665
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:27,639
Speaker 3: Just the same.

2666
01:48:27,720 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 1: I think the answer is Max Holloway for the BML

2667
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: it is.

2668
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 2: But wouldn't you'd love to see the rematch for the

2669
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 2: title if if he gets there.

2670
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: I think islamos him. Oh you know, you don't think

2671
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 1: it's a fight, you know. I think he does better

2672
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 1: than he did the first time. Yes, I don't think

2673
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 1: it matters.

2674
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 2: I think he takes more chances and makes Islam fight

2675
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 2: after seeing dust You take.

2676
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 1: Chances against Islam, you end up in bad.

2677
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 2: True, But do you think even though it takes a

2678
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:47,600
Speaker 2: special person to do what Dustin did to kind of

2679
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 2: rally back in a sense in the late late rounds

2680
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 2: and hurt him, don't you think that that is giving

2681
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:54,840
Speaker 2: people confidence that, like this indestructible force, if you stand

2682
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 2: with him and try to go through him at the

2683
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:58,640
Speaker 2: right time, in the right moment, Yeah, you could end

2684
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 2: up getting uh getting taken, but you get taken anyway.

2685
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:04,360
Speaker 4: Against that again, he's not as bad, but he's got

2686
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 4: a little bit that Rinier to Ritter where I just

2687
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 4: lose my balance a lot because I'm the guard player thing.

2688
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,599
Speaker 1: I think it's an easier pull for Islam. Okay, I'm

2689
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 1: with you, all right.

2690
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:17,639
Speaker 4: From I can't my fucking glasses from Fisher Aden, which

2691
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 4: UFC fighter of today, would you, okay, not you of

2692
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 4: liked would.

2693
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:27,160
Speaker 1: You have liked to have seen fight in Pride. What

2694
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: about Poton going through that run that like show.

2695
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 4: Pooton Yeah times a billion. Yeah, I mean all those

2696
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:35,080
Speaker 4: guys he could have fought in all those weight classes.

2697
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:37,120
Speaker 1: By the way, the Japanese would have had no problem

2698
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: having to fight Mark Hunt. I mean, Francis fun.

2699
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 4: Francis and Pride would have also been fun. I mean,

2700
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:44,720
Speaker 4: there's a lot of good answers you can get, but

2701
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,040
Speaker 4: I really feel like after the year he's had Pooton,

2702
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 4: there's just so many fun permutations against Arona and Rampage

2703
01:49:51,800 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 4: and like, oh my god, you could have done a

2704
01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:54,559
Speaker 4: million things with that guy.

2705
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 1: Hell, the answer is him. Hey, good questions this week

2706
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 1: these people?

2707
01:49:58,000 --> 01:49:59,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, good questions all right, Last, but not least for

2708
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 4: my blind asked sticks plays time.

2709
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 2: Probably something gross involving children.

2710
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 4: I'm masturbating here god himself. I mean, yeah, yeah, what

2711
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 4: is your favorite? Whether you snack to make after downing

2712
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:13,559
Speaker 4: a few Delta eight's.

2713
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 2: Don't the Euros use the U on the favorite or Canadians? Okay, So, Luke,

2714
01:50:18,439 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 2: what's your go to monchy snack?

2715
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:23,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna laugh at me, but he said make? Does

2716
01:50:23,120 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: that mean we have to make? Okay? Make?

2717
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 4: I'll make a snack. Makes this easy peanut butter and jelly,

2718
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:28,799
Speaker 4: peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

2719
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like so basic. My answer was going

2720
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,040
Speaker 2: to be, like, great cereal, you know what I mean? Like,

2721
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, if you're like, you know, you got a box, So.

2722
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:37,639
Speaker 1: Why don't we go to the fucking expert here missus

2723
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: water over there.

2724
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 5: I was going to say, I don't really get the

2725
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:42,719
Speaker 5: monchies like that, but good call in the cereal BC.

2726
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 2: What is that the Australian Fuck?

2727
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: Do you smoke as much weed as you do and

2728
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 1: you don't get the monkey?

2729
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 5: You just answered your own question in the question I

2730
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 5: smoke it too much. I just don't get the munchies anymore.

2731
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 1: I've never got That means real high.

2732
01:50:56,520 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that means that he's like way higher.

2733
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: Than are you going it to comas? How high are

2734
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:02,200
Speaker 1: you guying?

2735
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 2: He does have that tyson.

2736
01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 5: He just get high and drink a lot of coffee

2737
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 5: and then it mellows me out, you know.

2738
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:07,719
Speaker 1: Wow.

2739
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:12,719
Speaker 2: No, if he dies on air, we should, like, would

2740
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 2: we have a ceremony during the show?

2741
01:51:14,040 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 4: For we should? We should fucking smoke his ashes. We

2742
01:51:17,439 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 4: should cremate him and smoke his ashes. We'll get high

2743
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:23,639
Speaker 4: as ship up in here, all right. That is it

2744
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 4: for anything serious on this show.

2745
01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:27,080
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great.

2746
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 2: This is what I did on Sunday, guys. I scoured

2747
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,720
Speaker 2: the globe for the highs and the lows, the good,

2748
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly in the world of combat sports

2749
01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 2: and beyond. We call this BC's fee s who Hey,

2750
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:51,200
Speaker 2: lots of bony on the timeline this weekend, John jo

2751
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:56,759
Speaker 2: was cage side at APEX one hundred, donning the fight

2752
01:51:56,920 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 2: nerds glasses and cheering on pro.

2753
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,120
Speaker 1: She wants so badly to be adored. One of the

2754
01:52:03,160 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 1: members came to him and gave the gusts I understand,

2755
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:08,480
Speaker 1: but like also like he's trying to be like elder states.

2756
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 2: Dude, they should just continue to kiss his ass so

2757
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:12,120
Speaker 2: that he'll take the fights. That that will define the

2758
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:12,959
Speaker 2: sport coming.

2759
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 1: Okay, if you know what, If that will work, I'm

2760
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:20,000
Speaker 1: okay with it. Dana's smarter than all of us.

2761
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 2: Apparently John doesn't like books.

2762
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't read. Probably not. I don't like books. I

2763
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 1: don't read.

2764
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 2: John also, after the fight night ended, entered the cage.

2765
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,360
Speaker 2: Remember we haven't seen him in the cage much. He

2766
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 2: hasn't been in there much, Luke, in the last eight years, right,

2767
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:35,799
Speaker 2: Like once I think, I mean the hell, but Bony

2768
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 2: was getting ready. Seriously, I obviously all this talk about

2769
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 2: it's making it tough, the askmahall talk. But I have

2770
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for John at this age, still

2771
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:45,600
Speaker 2: being at this level and being where he is, a

2772
01:52:45,600 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 2: little question injuries, Like, there's a lot of bullshit that

2773
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,080
Speaker 2: comes with the John Jones experience, but what he's accomplished

2774
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 2: and who he still is physically and mentally in there,

2775
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:54,959
Speaker 2: I have so much respectful.

2776
01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:56,719
Speaker 4: I have respect for what he did at light heavyweight.

2777
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 4: I saw it from beginning to end. It was as

2778
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,559
Speaker 4: good as fighting. I have become more and more jaded

2779
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 4: over time with his heavyweight pursuit.

2780
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: All right, Well, transitioning from John and Connor here, Luke, Uh,

2781
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,240
Speaker 2: you don't watch pro wrestling these days, but there's a

2782
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:12,720
Speaker 2: new wrestler that may become your favorite. Remember Caine, the

2783
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:13,799
Speaker 2: Undertaker's brother.

2784
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:15,240
Speaker 1: Caine Big Red.

2785
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got somebody Juggle O Championship Wrestling called Cocaine.

2786
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 1: Is this weird second?

2787
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 3: No Colo, He's out of it, big throat thresty Cocaine.

2788
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:29,799
Speaker 1: He's reaching for something.

2789
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,400
Speaker 5: He's reaching for something.

2790
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 1: Cocaine has. Uh, he's got a pegging.

2791
01:53:35,080 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 11: It's an eight ball.

2792
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:44,600
Speaker 1: He's got an eight ball. Hey, cocaine, fucking cocade.

2793
01:53:44,640 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 2: That's fired up.

2794
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: Sub to the depths up.

2795
01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 8: Cocaine.

2796
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Drugs win drugs war again. I think I might like

2797
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: pro wrestling, dude, Luke.

2798
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:01,640
Speaker 5: I was literally just gonna say the same thing. If

2799
01:54:01,680 --> 01:54:03,240
Speaker 5: this is what w W is like, I might.

2800
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,120
Speaker 1: You start doing a little more of that. You got

2801
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:06,320
Speaker 1: a new audience.

2802
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 2: Cold caine in the house. Let's go to the Washington commanders.

2803
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 2: Let's check out this fan, Luke, this is.

2804
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:27,320
Speaker 1: Life, chub Rock. There's a piper down. Wow, that's great.

2805
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:29,000
Speaker 4: Done, Doc Maryland's finest right there.

2806
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going with the fun here. You ever

2807
01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 1: take a ship in on a porta sadly, yes, did

2808
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 1: you ever do that at a rally car race? That'd

2809
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,120
Speaker 1: be a new one.

2810
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:46,880
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you can see it from

2811
01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 2: this angle, but a guy comes bouncing out of that chidhouse.

2812
01:54:50,440 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 2: He lived, Yeah, he lived.

2813
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: But uh, that's an embarrassing ending. That's worse than Joseph

2814
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:56,680
Speaker 1: a Bank on the third flush.

2815
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 2: That is that is I couldn't believe the size of

2816
01:54:59,000 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 2: that dump.

2817
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:02,200
Speaker 1: Hey, big week for Poloton.

2818
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 2: Let's check in on Alex Pereira going backstage to meet

2819
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 2: Roman Rains at WW SmackDown.

2820
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 1: Shama, I appreciate, uh, your body of work. Hell of

2821
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 1: a run so far. I appreciate him. We're excited for

2822
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:24,760
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. Bring back the cocaine guy.

2823
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 2: And then Polloton got announced on the broadcast, so like

2824
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 2: the full TKO global.

2825
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,760
Speaker 1: At WW thing. Yeah they do. And you know what,

2826
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,520
Speaker 1: he does look like a badass right there. Also takes

2827
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 1: a lot to wear clothes like that too. Yeah, it

2828
01:55:37,320 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 1: really does.

2829
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 2: It takes a lot to wear the next clothes. He

2830
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:41,919
Speaker 2: reunited with his tribe in Brazil.

2831
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

2832
01:55:46,240 --> 01:55:47,839
Speaker 2: And uh, if it wasn't.

2833
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,040
Speaker 1: Scary enough, watch his boat work.

2834
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 2: I used to be a bow and arrow guy in

2835
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:54,480
Speaker 2: the marine.

2836
01:55:54,600 --> 01:56:00,320
Speaker 1: No, no, before that interesting stuff there.

2837
01:56:00,640 --> 01:56:03,520
Speaker 2: Also he can skateboard, Luke, you want to see an

2838
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,720
Speaker 2: ali aer Wow?

2839
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: Pretty good?

2840
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 6: Right?

2841
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, skateboard but that seems pretty good.

2842
01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 2: That huge gun safe behind him there?

2843
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:12,080
Speaker 1: You know what? You know what I want to see

2844
01:56:12,160 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: him do defend some takedowns. Let's let's see that.

2845
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:14,520
Speaker 5: All right?

2846
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: All right, you're in on bike trick failures?

2847
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:17,040
Speaker 6: Uh?

2848
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:30,640
Speaker 1: Are the guys white, let's see. No, he's Brazilian dude.

2849
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,160
Speaker 1: When they start losing teeth, that's when I start getting interested.

2850
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 2: Luke, do you hate it? Actually, you hate it more

2851
01:56:35,400 --> 01:56:37,160
Speaker 2: than anyone I know. And when we set a time

2852
01:56:37,200 --> 01:56:38,440
Speaker 2: to meet and then you.

2853
01:56:38,360 --> 01:56:42,120
Speaker 1: Know I'm late. Maybe people typically hate that. Well, yeah,

2854
01:56:42,160 --> 01:56:42,600
Speaker 1: but you.

2855
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 2: Send a text at the time saying here, that's.

2856
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:48,640
Speaker 1: What you do. Well, I mean, I think being punctual.

2857
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes people have reasons for being late.

2858
01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 5: Here she is fifteen minutes later.

2859
01:56:53,960 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 1: Huh, all right, Lucas for America.

2860
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:04,760
Speaker 2: Yes, it is m M A Fighters in the wild time.

2861
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 2: Let's catch Robert Whitaker's new merch.

2862
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 1: You can't outrun the raper.

2863
01:57:12,200 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 2: It was a tough folding of the fabric on the

2864
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 2: back there that hid that.

2865
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:19,320
Speaker 1: E Oh god, they couldn't done a second photo of that.

2866
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:20,839
Speaker 2: Jesus Christy knuckles.

2867
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 1: Damn. I don't like that at all.

2868
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 2: Henry s Hudo was signing autographs meeting the kids when

2869
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 2: Mario Bautista ran up on them.

2870
01:57:28,920 --> 01:57:33,400
Speaker 1: I gotta say, yes, I gotta say, let me take something.

2871
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:37,880
Speaker 1: You said that war. Nobody's gonna fight you like that.

2872
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 11: There's a lot.

2873
01:57:40,680 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 1: Listen, no, listen A lit Champ, flat Wood Champ, Madam

2874
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: Wood Chaff.

2875
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 2: What have you done?

2876
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:47,960
Speaker 1: Two losses in a row?

2877
01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:48,520
Speaker 8: Seven?

2878
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 11: Look who at that time the guy that was that

2879
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:54,320
Speaker 11: was a court current chess guy and the other guy

2880
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 11: is now the former champ.

2881
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are you gonna nut grab?

2882
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:00,720
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? He said, Like you do

2883
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: with all those you say? But I won't say that exactly.

2884
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I won't say that. I have me with Hunter and whatever,

2885
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:07,880
Speaker 1: Hunter and Watson.

2886
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 11: You can do it what want, because you.

2887
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:14,160
Speaker 1: Know what I want, an old valley of course. Of course,

2888
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:15,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that I want.

2889
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:22,440
Speaker 12: There's a big haven't done, and I haven't done anything.

2890
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 1: Stop in the Olympic Chavvy old flying chail.

2891
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:27,960
Speaker 2: Look, do you have any interest in that fight?

2892
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:31,040
Speaker 1: Zero?

2893
01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 2: That's a little number, all right, all right? Remember that

2894
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:37,280
Speaker 2: time I tried to pitch for an old guy Deyla

2895
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 2: Shaw versus Garbrandt three fight, And you're like, I don't

2896
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 2: even think TJ can raise his arm above his head,

2897
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:45,960
Speaker 2: right exact, let's go to the videotape. Fucked, I can't

2898
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:50,160
Speaker 2: even I can't do this, really holy ship.

2899
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt, it just doesn't work.

2900
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 2: So long story, No, I will not be coming back

2901
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:56,560
Speaker 2: a man.

2902
01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 1: Dude.

2903
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 4: He just did not fucking call this, and everyone in

2904
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:01,600
Speaker 4: brother was like, no, you have to go out there

2905
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 4: for glory. Well, now the bill is fucking due over

2906
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:05,000
Speaker 4: his injuries.

2907
01:59:05,400 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be a dick. The only reason

2908
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 1: I say this with such like vigor vigor is because

2909
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:11,800
Speaker 1: I had This is the one time I've had to

2910
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 1: have orthopedic surgery.

2911
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:15,840
Speaker 4: Dude, your shoulder is complicated and fragile, and if you

2912
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 4: fuck it up by going out there in a fight

2913
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 4: against Alja man Sterling, he should have never been in

2914
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,440
Speaker 4: a falling out left and right.

2915
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 1: And now look at the continent. To do your shril,

2916
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 1: how does he get dragged this ship? If you can,

2917
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 1: you could probably do lateral raises, which oh that's true.

2918
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 1: What I mean some degree that, but like overhead pressing,

2919
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: you imagine that you can't even hang on the heat.

2920
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 1: He was always willing to risk it all and do

2921
01:59:34,600 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 1: whatever it does, okay, which you appreciate the guts, you

2922
01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 1: appreciate the heart. I was not.

2923
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 2: I was making that refference, okay, but you know what

2924
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:44,160
Speaker 2: I love.

2925
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:46,640
Speaker 1: I know I just can't stand and people like, well,

2926
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 1: you got to defend the fighters when they make really

2927
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,280
Speaker 1: bad decisions about their health, because that's who they are.

2928
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:53,280
Speaker 4: No, you have to tell them there's a certain limit

2929
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 4: where you're fucking your life up. And now look at this.

2930
01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, lesson learned right there. Hey, DC did a Q

2931
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:59,200
Speaker 2: and A with fans and it went about.

2932
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Is what you can guess here for DC?

2933
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 2: And on a lighter note, how does it feel to

2934
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:03,920
Speaker 2: be the son of John Jones?

2935
02:00:04,120 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 1: Oh?

2936
02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 12: And H On a lighter note, fuck you? So yes,

2937
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:15,800
Speaker 12: I guess we aren't great. We aren't great, and I

2938
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:17,440
Speaker 12: don't think that we ever have to. I think people

2939
02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:18,280
Speaker 12: need to stop.

2940
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,120
Speaker 1: Like longing for the perfect happy ending.

2941
02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:22,360
Speaker 12: Guys don't have to do with Mike Tyson and the

2942
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:24,760
Speaker 12: vander Holyfield did. You can be okay to just be

2943
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 12: okay with us being as we are, and I'm fine

2944
02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 12: with it, So you guys should be too.

2945
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 2: If we get to five hundred k subs on our

2946
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 2: YouTube channel, then apparently we have to have sex at

2947
02:00:32,720 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 2: that point. You know, DC and John should just have

2948
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 2: their trilogy already and just you.

2949
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:40,040
Speaker 4: Know, just can Yeah, okay, you have a fan in

2950
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 4: his other hand, Oh.

2951
02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:44,000
Speaker 1: Like one of those cool you off Menopause fans.

2952
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

2953
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 4: I'm talking to menopause fan's funny, all right, I know

2954
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:49,600
Speaker 4: some females.

2955
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:51,320
Speaker 1: Luke. Let's keep it going here.

2956
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:53,880
Speaker 2: You said you wanted front row at sea World when

2957
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:56,680
Speaker 2: we saw in front row at Sumo. Watch what happens

2958
02:00:56,680 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 2: at this front row at SIMA. If the shamoo drops

2959
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 2: a dougie, just.

2960
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:07,720
Speaker 1: A big ass log. Yeah, look at the yoh hold

2961
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:08,600
Speaker 1: this motherfuck.

2962
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:10,760
Speaker 2: At least we have the trash bags on like at

2963
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 2: the Gallagher concert.

2964
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh that ship, bo dude, dude, just making people bathe

2965
02:01:17,800 --> 02:01:21,840
Speaker 1: in Dukie water is next level disrespective.

2966
02:01:22,200 --> 02:01:24,400
Speaker 4: And I want to be clear Long Island, Luke, do

2967
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:27,480
Speaker 4: you think that? Did you ever see the documentary Blackfish?

2968
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:29,120
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen it?

2969
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 12: Long On Luke?

2970
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:31,200
Speaker 1: No, dude, you watch that ship.

2971
02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:33,680
Speaker 4: It changes your whole perspective about SeaWorld. It's so fucked up.

2972
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:37,560
Speaker 1: What they do? I think that killer well did it

2973
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: on purpose?

2974
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:41,080
Speaker 2: Do you want to protest the treatment?

2975
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,800
Speaker 4: Several several different kinds of primates throw their their feet. Now,

2976
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 4: it's not just howler monkeys. They throw their feces. How

2977
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:49,480
Speaker 4: is that any different?

2978
02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2979
02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:53,120
Speaker 2: They throw the at Gllen concerts too.

2980
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 1: But that is a different level of primates your art

2981
02:01:56,360 --> 02:01:56,840
Speaker 1: of the week?

2982
02:01:57,160 --> 02:01:58,600
Speaker 2: Are you good at sand Castle's Luke?

2983
02:01:58,720 --> 02:02:00,360
Speaker 1: Not that great? Well? Are you as good as guy

2984
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:02,600
Speaker 1: making the wrizzler of this fat kid?

2985
02:02:04,920 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 2: That's how you sum it up? Wow, look at the

2986
02:02:08,040 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 2: look at the art though.

2987
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:13,280
Speaker 1: A Costco Guys, we're fucking lamy ship. We're Costco. Dad's

2988
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:15,520
Speaker 1: been trying to get famous for thirty years? Is this art?

2989
02:02:15,680 --> 02:02:20,720
Speaker 1: Are we are? Lukes? Are are you look at this? Fat? Nothing? Okay?

2990
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:24,600
Speaker 2: Uh? You know Cumberland you're Cumbland Farms now now selling

2991
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:26,000
Speaker 2: two piece in a soda.

2992
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:29,680
Speaker 1: Or hey, mass all special will be the three Oh

2993
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:34,320
Speaker 1: that was like, yeah they played the knockout game. My man,

2994
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:36,560
Speaker 1: just waiting in line for what waiting the line for?

2995
02:02:36,640 --> 02:02:37,840
Speaker 1: Like a lots of some scratch offs?

2996
02:02:37,920 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, some munchies there you go. Uh, be careful, you ever,

2997
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:43,600
Speaker 2: everyone ever try to like in public at You're like

2998
02:02:43,640 --> 02:02:45,200
Speaker 2: an airport and you know someone just took a photo

2999
02:02:45,200 --> 02:02:46,280
Speaker 2: of you and you're like, what are they gonna do

3000
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:46,520
Speaker 2: with it?

3001
02:02:46,560 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 1: Master? Wait? Watch this what you can wrap it? Thank

3002
02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 1: you so much?

3003
02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:08,960
Speaker 2: Regional mm A move of the week, Luke, have you

3004
02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 2: ever heard of? It's not a dars necessary I think

3005
02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:12,760
Speaker 2: they call it a helicopter choke.

3006
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like it's the opposite of a giant swing.

3007
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,480
Speaker 4: Trying to explain to people that's real.

3008
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:26,960
Speaker 1: Mm a wow.

3009
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:29,960
Speaker 2: Alright, Hey, it's a time for everyone's favorite game, Dixon

3010
02:03:30,040 --> 02:03:32,640
Speaker 2: the Wild. Luke, you gotta look closely in life sometimes

3011
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:35,600
Speaker 2: you'll see him, right, Okay.

3012
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean why is he? Is that a cannibal corpse occurrence?

3013
02:03:43,640 --> 02:03:46,080
Speaker 1: My man has just a very hardpecker, right.

3014
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:48,520
Speaker 2: All right, Sometimes even on the golf courses, if you

3015
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:49,440
Speaker 2: look close enough.

3016
02:03:49,320 --> 02:04:00,200
Speaker 1: Luke, this gonna be some what the fuck is this? Okay?

3017
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,520
Speaker 1: Is she doing that in the frost like the dew

3018
02:04:02,640 --> 02:04:03,280
Speaker 1: on the grass?

3019
02:04:03,360 --> 02:04:03,600
Speaker 6: Yes?

3020
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 1: Yes, uh.

3021
02:04:06,240 --> 02:04:12,440
Speaker 2: You know, let's go to the hot air umber. Let's

3022
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 2: go to I mean that does kind of resemble would

3023
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:16,320
Speaker 2: you say?

3024
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:19,200
Speaker 1: Wow? I mean the people really.

3025
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 2: I mean even in your dessert, Luke, you gotta look closer.

3026
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:23,040
Speaker 1: You got to be careful. It's a lot of ball

3027
02:04:23,120 --> 02:04:24,480
Speaker 1: to shaft ratio.

3028
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 2: But it's going to go to the next one long, Alan, Come, I.

3029
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Keep it moving, you got it looks like someone's smeared

3030
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 1: ship in it.

3031
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 2: I mean even kids have to be careful.

3032
02:04:34,040 --> 02:04:37,040
Speaker 4: You're also not a big fan of the Neapolitan ice cream.

3033
02:04:37,520 --> 02:04:40,040
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's an old class it's basically it's.

3034
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:41,760
Speaker 1: A little it's a little it's a little shitty. Yeah,

3035
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:43,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's elementary school bullshit.

3036
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:46,080
Speaker 2: But you know, even kids, you know, kid friendly people

3037
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Speaker 2: like Barney in the middle of an intersection.

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Speaker 1: Luke.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you look close enough, you something's not

3040
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:51,360
Speaker 2: right there.

3041
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:53,040
Speaker 1: Tell you what about Barney's got a bit of a pipe.

3042
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:58,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, watch this piece of Barney the Impaler.

3043
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Speaker 2: Let's see this final dick in the wild. You know,

3044
02:05:00,280 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 2: you gotta look closely. I'm telling you, what do you

3045
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 2: think so far that have you seen?

3046
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:12,600
Speaker 6: This?

3047
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,720
Speaker 1: Sh is like a C minus? It's a B B minus.

3048
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:17,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's see if will a fortune can bring

3049
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Speaker 1: us back tomorrows right in the butt. Okay, what was

3050
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:32,080
Speaker 1: his name?

3051
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:36,160
Speaker 4: Tavares? Tavares, buddy, you gotta I don't think that's for you.

3052
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:38,600
Speaker 1: Look, you ever think about big regrets in your life

3053
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 1: all the time? This lady too. Number one?

3054
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:45,600
Speaker 9: Your question is what is your biggest mistake, the biggest

3055
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 9: deep steak?

3056
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:51,560
Speaker 1: Do you know? Let me give you some game here.

3057
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:53,680
Speaker 4: I only see because it now pops up on my feed.

3058
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,560
Speaker 4: Do you know what people in the again, I don't

3059
02:05:56,600 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 4: want to speak for them, but I've just seen it. Yes,

3060
02:05:58,720 --> 02:06:00,960
Speaker 4: do you know what people in the Hispanic community call

3061
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:06,040
Speaker 4: overweight women torta, which.

3062
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:07,320
Speaker 1: Can be like if you're in Mexico, it's like a big.

3063
02:06:07,160 --> 02:06:09,080
Speaker 2: Sound like like like.

3064
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:14,480
Speaker 4: Also a cake, no, like t O R T A.

3065
02:06:13,120 --> 02:06:17,320
Speaker 1: Tremendous well one way or the other, tremendously.

3066
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:20,920
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, have you seen this infamous Denver Nuggets

3067
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 2: fan cam yet?

3068
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 1: It's tremendous.

3069
02:06:25,640 --> 02:06:29,600
Speaker 2: Some happy women, you know, just hanging out just thinking

3070
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 2: about that.

3071
02:06:30,840 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go right a little bit. Yeah, it's

3072
02:06:36,920 --> 02:06:39,360
Speaker 1: if the producers could fight her number for me. I

3073
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:40,160
Speaker 1: have some questions.

3074
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:41,880
Speaker 2: That's the only ship I got. I go to pee

3075
02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:42,760
Speaker 2: my pants here.

3076
02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:47,640
Speaker 4: That's a solid be I'll take a because main cart

3077
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:49,720
Speaker 4: minute watch a plug it so that folks can know

3078
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:51,440
Speaker 4: where to go for degenerate.

3079
02:06:51,640 --> 02:06:54,480
Speaker 5: Yea carmen it go to main Carmena dot com for

3080
02:06:54,600 --> 02:06:56,960
Speaker 5: merch will be live Friday for Jake Paul, Mike Tyson

3081
02:06:57,040 --> 02:06:59,640
Speaker 5: and live for the full card Saturday UFC.

3082
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:01,560
Speaker 1: Three or nine. Join us then will you be sober

3083
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:02,919
Speaker 1: for any part of that broadcast?

3084
02:07:03,240 --> 02:07:05,600
Speaker 5: Maybe like the first few minutes before I take the

3085
02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 5: first bog.

3086
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:10,800
Speaker 2: You know what podcast has a website already? Is you

3087
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 2: just said it Main card minute dot com.

3088
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, I mean we got YouTube channels and stuff.

3089
02:07:14,600 --> 02:07:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean the same. I think we have Morning Combat

3090
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:17,560
Speaker 1: dot Store.

3091
02:07:18,040 --> 02:07:20,440
Speaker 4: We do the merch is there Morningcombat dot Store. By

3092
02:07:20,440 --> 02:07:22,920
Speaker 4: the way, Uh well we'll talk about it later, but yeah,

3093
02:07:22,920 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 4: Morning Combat dot Store. Come pick up your merch at

3094
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:28,280
Speaker 4: Morningcombat dot Store. Things like this jacket, things like his

3095
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 4: hoodie and his hat, and a whole lot more we

3096
02:07:30,280 --> 02:07:32,200
Speaker 4: got wherever we're on social, you.

3097
02:07:32,120 --> 02:07:33,000
Speaker 1: Can get social.

3098
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:36,600
Speaker 4: Oh you're on YouTube, Yeah, YouTube's and tiktoks and everything

3099
02:07:36,600 --> 02:07:37,080
Speaker 4: in between.

3100
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:37,640
Speaker 1: There you go.

3101
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,280
Speaker 4: And uh, by the way, I always wanna we didn't

3102
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 4: mention the top less mentioned it now. Morning Coombat at

3103
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:43,400
Speaker 4: gmail dot com.

3104
02:07:43,400 --> 02:07:43,960
Speaker 1: That's we need.

3105
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:46,120
Speaker 4: We need a graphic for that long island, Luke. Morning

3106
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:48,880
Speaker 4: Coombat at gmail dot com that still is active. You

3107
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:50,320
Speaker 4: can send anything you need to.

3108
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:53,120
Speaker 2: Except for a shot of your dog, because Mikey does

3109
02:07:53,200 --> 02:07:53,600
Speaker 2: not deserve.

3110
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Speaker 1: Somebody sent me up.

3111
02:07:55,120 --> 02:07:58,840
Speaker 4: They claimed it was their girlfriend's titties. They Oh my god,

3112
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:00,920
Speaker 4: can I say about the homeless woman on my train today?

3113
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:02,360
Speaker 1: You texted me about her.

3114
02:08:02,360 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 4: There was a homeless woman. I mean, she really needed help.

3115
02:08:04,640 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 4: Can I be honest about that? She needed help? She

3116
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 4: was shoeless, obviously homeless as well as topless.

3117
02:08:12,200 --> 02:08:15,560
Speaker 1: You should have stepped in. Well, she was throwing trash

3118
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:17,280
Speaker 1: all over the train car. All right, I would just

3119
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 1: leave at that point, so I moved to the other

3120
02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:19,400
Speaker 1: train car.

3121
02:08:19,560 --> 02:08:21,520
Speaker 2: Was it like that other guy we saw with like

3122
02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:23,160
Speaker 2: the head gash that was screaming?

3123
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:26,120
Speaker 1: She was throwing trash like it was like a hardcore

3124
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:30,200
Speaker 1: Do you know? That's my least favorite part of coming here. Yeah.

3125
02:08:30,280 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 1: New York City is not perfect.

3126
02:08:31,720 --> 02:08:36,440
Speaker 4: It's got some problems and homeless titties on the subway

3127
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:39,440
Speaker 4: I saw. It is not what I'm looking for. I've seen.

3128
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:41,320
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell you some things I've seen lately.

3129
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:44,680
Speaker 1: I've seen. It's Newark Penn Station level. You know. Well,

3130
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:46,040
Speaker 1: one time I was in New York Penn Station.

3131
02:08:46,160 --> 02:08:48,160
Speaker 4: This was twenty years ago, and I was walking with

3132
02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,960
Speaker 4: a friend and we were walking outside and my friend goes,

3133
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 4: is that an ass? And I looked over and it

3134
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 4: was a man taking a ship right on the street.

3135
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:58,600
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and that was that it was time

3136
02:08:58,640 --> 02:08:58,880
Speaker 2: to go.

3137
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 1: That's a real thing that happened. That's what I got.

3138
02:09:00,880 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 1: My friend goes, is that an ass?

3139
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:03,879
Speaker 12: Uh?

3140
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:05,720
Speaker 1: That's that's what I ask every time I look at you?

3141
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:06,520
Speaker 1: Is that an ass that?

3142
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:09,160
Speaker 2: Hey, Friday, we'll be back and it's going to be

3143
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:11,200
Speaker 2: a big one because you know it's a big weekend.

3144
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:14,200
Speaker 1: Are you going to this card live on Saturday? I

3145
02:09:14,240 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 1: don't believe so, No, I don't. Well, there you go.

3146
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:19,280
Speaker 1: There's that. Thanks to all the crew, thanks to everyone

3147
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,480
Speaker 1: who watched, Thanks to all of you. Bro Ken. You

3148
02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 1: gotta think Ken. Yeah, of course, Ken like fuck Ken.

3149
02:09:24,240 --> 02:09:26,120
Speaker 1: I like Ken. He's too high to remember.

3150
02:09:26,360 --> 02:09:29,879
Speaker 4: I mean five seconds will be forgeting about this whole interaction,

3151
02:09:30,120 --> 02:09:33,879
Speaker 4: all right for Brian Campbell and our producer who's got.

3152
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:35,520
Speaker 1: A long face over there and just yawned. Look at

3153
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,160
Speaker 1: that yawning like an asshole?

3154
02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:38,520
Speaker 2: You mean Daniel Snyder's nephew.

3155
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:40,680
Speaker 4: Daniel Snyder's nephew, I have Luke Thomas. It's Brian Campbell.

3156
02:09:40,760 --> 02:09:42,760
Speaker 4: Till next time we're morning combat, mill of your gains.

3157
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 1: Be loyal,