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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We still have a great show for everybody today,

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Speaker 1: A sad show unfortunately, but Christal, what do we have? Honestly,

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Speaker 1: a completely enraging show. The more that we learn about

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Speaker 1: who was killed by a US drone strike ordered by

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration, and that entire process. Again, he did

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Speaker 1: not actually have due process, and it was all adjudicated

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Speaker 1: by the executive branch with some sign off by some court.

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Speaker 1: And there was never a jury of his peers that

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Speaker 1: actually convicted him and sent Incemce to death. So I

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Speaker 1: just look at these things as a very slippery process

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Speaker 1: when you felt like your right should not get murdered

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Speaker 1: by a drone strike, and your right to own any

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Speaker 1: weapon that you want, I think, or too not any

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Speaker 1: weapon that you want, it's the ability to purchase any firearms.

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Speaker 1: So we're not even talking about putting a restriction on

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Speaker 1: a AR fifteen, And I'm trying to about right in

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Speaker 1: order to purchase any firearm, which is pretty well established

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Speaker 1: in the US case law, that you do have the

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Speaker 1: ability in order to purchase it. This isn't just an

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Speaker 1: AR fifteen, this is anything well, I mean red flat

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Speaker 1: laws are in place in something like nineteen states, I believe. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm reading about it, and they've runs, I mean, thus far,

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Speaker 1: they've survived court challenges. So clearly these can be written

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Speaker 1: in a way that based off on our current you know,

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Speaker 1: I think wrong body of work on judicial rulings on guns.

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Speaker 1: But even within that framework, which is very pro to a,

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Speaker 1: they have allowed these red flag laws to stand. So listen,

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Speaker 1: what I want to say here is that I don't

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Speaker 1: think that there is any solution barring buying back all

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Speaker 1: the guns and basically like getting rid of any guns,

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Speaker 1: which is not going to happen that is going to

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Speaker 1: completely eliminate these types of horrific tragedies. Are the things

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Speaker 1: we could do on the margins that would make it

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Speaker 1: less likely, that would make it, you know, not just

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Speaker 1: looking at mass shootings, which comparatively are actually a small

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Speaker 1: number of the amount of gun violence and desks that

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Speaker 1: we have in this country. Are the things we could

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Speaker 1: do that could reduce the number of suicides, that could

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Speaker 1: reduce the number of people who are murdered in you know,

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Speaker 1: attacks by their spouse. Yeah, there are things, There are

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Speaker 1: things that we could do, and so I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to give up on the idea that

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Speaker 1: there are some efforts that a lot of people agree

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Speaker 1: within this country that could be undertaken on a potentially

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Speaker 1: bipartisan basis that at least would make it so there

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Speaker 1: are fewer parents, family members, individuals who are devastated and

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Speaker 1: grief stricken because their loved one has been taken from

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Speaker 1: them too. I think the latter part is very important

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Speaker 1: for everybody to understand. You know, some seventy percent odd

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Speaker 1: percentage of the gun debts in this country are suicide

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Speaker 1: and actually a leading cause of death of a lot

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Speaker 1: of adolescent children is actually now guns. And part of

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Speaker 1: the reason for that domestic disturbance, I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of this is you know, this is a mass shooting happening,

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Speaker 1: you know, on a broad scale nearly every day, right

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Speaker 1: whenever you consider it in you know, it's not as horrific.

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Speaker 1: It's not somebody stopping in. It's you know, a child

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Speaker 1: gets killed in the middle of a domestic altercation between

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Speaker 1: and a drunk husband and you know is a strange

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Speaker 1: wife or you know, a girlfriend or somebody gets killed.

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Speaker 1: You know, despite having been beaten up like three or

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Speaker 1: four time, this is actually far more common. You know,

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Speaker 1: even in terms of street homicide. You know, again you're

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Speaker 1: looking at something where fast majority of these guns are

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Speaker 1: illegally obtained, even by the people who are using them.

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Speaker 1: So it really comes down to address and I know

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Speaker 1: it's almost a meme, it's like addressing the root cause.

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Speaker 1: But I think the mental health. You know, Governor Abbot

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Speaker 1: had the audacity really in order to be like, well,

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Speaker 1: there's not a single mental health hospital, you know, forty

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Speaker 1: miles or whatever within Uvalde. It's like, okay, well build one.

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Speaker 1: Then this government is literally giving you money in order

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Speaker 1: to use it, and you won't use it, right, Like

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Speaker 1: You're like, this is one of those things where like

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Speaker 1: I've only someone in power cared. Right, You're the governor,

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Speaker 1: You're literally the governor. And that's that's that is where

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Speaker 1: I would like a lot of focus on. Well to

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Speaker 1: be here and here I do want to say, because

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this a lot people get I

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Speaker 1: think justifiably, very upset by those dodges from people like

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Speaker 1: Abbot who are like, let's just focus on the mental

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Speaker 1: health and not talk about the guns. And we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk later on too about some of the most

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Speaker 1: deranged responses lestioned, right, and a lot of the right

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Speaker 1: ones are all about like let's not talk about guns whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Let's just focus on these other issues. The big thing

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Speaker 1: now is like there should have only ted Cruz last night.

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Speaker 1: We need to mandate there's only one door in schools

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Speaker 1: and anyway, I just don't we'll get to well, but

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Speaker 1: that's only one way to get out too, and you

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Speaker 1: only needed one door when you've got you know, eighty

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Speaker 1: five police officers standing around doing nothing anyway, I digress.

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Speaker 1: I understand why people get upset when commentarators and politicians

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Speaker 1: want to say, let's just focus, let's just talk about

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Speaker 1: the mental health, or we just need better Judeo Christian

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Speaker 1: values was another thing I heard yesterday. We've got to

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Speaker 1: talk about these root causes, which it is true. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there is a cultural issue here that is fueled by

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Speaker 1: those root causes. But you just make yourself into like

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Speaker 1: a liar and a fraud when you float something like

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Speaker 1: mental health. But then even on that, you're not willing

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Speaker 1: to actually do anything. So I do think the mental

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Speaker 1: health issue is important. I don't think we should ignore it.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we should only talk about to the

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Speaker 1: exclusion of everything else, including just these you know, basic

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Speaker 1: things that you could do to try to curb gun

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Speaker 1: violence on the margins. But the reality is like they're

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Speaker 1: not even serious about that either. So the whole conversation

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Speaker 1: just ends up being completely fraudulent. And I guess this

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Speaker 1: is a good transition into what the Democrats are actually

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Speaker 1: going to try to do. And to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I am totally confused about what their plan is. And

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Speaker 1: I you know, I read everything I could about what

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer has said about what they're going to do

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Speaker 1: in the Senate. First he said, we're not going to

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Speaker 1: just vote right away and something that we know is

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Speaker 1: going to fail. Then he said, we are going to

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Speaker 1: vote right away, we are going to have some votes

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Speaker 1: on amendments, and then we're also going to try to

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Speaker 1: work with Republicans to craft some kind of a byebars

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Speaker 1: and solution that can get through the filbuster. Here was

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Speaker 1: Schumer on the floor, uh yesterday, to give you a

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Speaker 1: sense of a little bit of what he has said

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Speaker 1: on this. I repeat, though we are going to vote

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Speaker 1: on gun legislation, the American people are taught of moments

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Speaker 1: of silence, tired of the kind words offering thoughts and prayers.

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Speaker 1: We can use the Domestic Terrorism Bill tomorrow to begin

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Speaker 1: I repeat, to begin considering gun safety amendments, and we

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Speaker 1: can consider the proposal he brings to the floor today.

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Speaker 1: So we won't just have this amendment. We'll have a

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Speaker 1: lot of amendments too. So I guess the as best

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Speaker 1: I can figure, Sager, they're going to vote on some

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Speaker 1: amendments that have something to do with guns. But the

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Speaker 1: bigger strategy is let's take a look at this Politico

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Speaker 1: tear sheet. The headline here, Oh, this is so Kirsten

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Speaker 1: Cinema is engaged in trying to find some Republicans who

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Speaker 1: are going to maybe engage in some sort of bipartisan solution.

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Speaker 1: Of course, she's still not willing to do anything different

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Speaker 1: with the filibuster, But go ahead and put the Politico

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Speaker 1: tear sheet up. They say the Senate begins search for

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Speaker 1: bipartisan gun deal after Schumer's green light. He's giving long

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Speaker 1: shot gun safety negotiations a chance. Kirston Cinema, the fforementioned,

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Speaker 1: is reaching out to Republicans on a path forward gp

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Speaker 1: senators or answering Chris Murphy's call for new bipartisan talks,

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Speaker 1: betting on a fifty to fifty Senate to cut a

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Speaker 1: deal responding to the massacre of nineteen children to teachers

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Speaker 1: at a Texas elementary school just five months before the midterm.

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Speaker 1: Still a long shot, but there's enough will among Senate

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Speaker 1: Democrats to at least give it a go rather than

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Speaker 1: force Suore to fail. Votes intended to put Republicans on defense.

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Speaker 1: Of course, both Mansion and Cinema saying they're not moving

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Speaker 1: on their opposition to the philibuster. We've got Mansions comments

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Speaker 1: as well on getting rid of the filibuster. I should say,

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Speaker 1: Center Mansion, I think we have a tweet there we

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Speaker 1: can put up on the screen. Center Mansion says he

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Speaker 1: would do quote anything I can to move common sense

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Speaker 1: gun legislation forward, but still refuse to eliminate the filibuster

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Speaker 1: to you know, actually govern and really get anything ultimately

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Speaker 1: done here. Do I have any hope that these negotiations

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Speaker 1: are going to go differently than negotiations in the past

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Speaker 1: that happen after say Sandy Hook and the way that

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Speaker 1: that shocked the conscience of the nation. No, I do not.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll just run out the clo once again.

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Speaker 1: Republicans will stonewall you know, and I listen, I understand

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Speaker 1: why there's this instinct to say, why put votes on

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Speaker 1: the floor that are sure to fail, But on certain

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Speaker 1: things that are really popular background checks ninety percent support,

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Speaker 1: it's like seventy percent support among Republicans. You could at

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Speaker 1: least put people on the spot and force them to

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Speaker 1: actually vote against something that is supported by ninety percent

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Speaker 1: of the country. I think you can do that, and

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Speaker 1: you can, you know, try, I guess to come up

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Speaker 1: with your bipartisan negotiation. You can also do some things

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Speaker 1: through reconciliation. I mean, ultimately they should get rid of

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Speaker 1: the filibuster and actually govern so they don't have these excuses.

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Speaker 1: The broader context of this two sager is their hypocrisy

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Speaker 1: here because go ahead and put an AOC's tweet up

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Speaker 1: on the screen, because on the very day that this

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Speaker 1: mass shooting is unfolding, Pelosi Clyburn player all lining up

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Speaker 1: doing robo calls going to the district fundraising for Quaar,

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Speaker 1: who has an A rating from the NRA. What AOC

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Speaker 1: says here is on the day of mass shooting, a

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Speaker 1: week's after news of row Democratic Party leadership rallied for

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Speaker 1: a pro NRA, anti choice incumbent under investigation closed primary,

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Speaker 1: robo calls fundraisers, all of it. Accountability is not partisan.

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Speaker 1: This was an utter failure of leadership and how we

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Speaker 1: feel about the issue of guns. I think this just

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Speaker 1: exposes Quaar looks like he's going to win this thing

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Speaker 1: by like less than two hundred votes, although it is

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Speaker 1: probably going to a recap. They dragged him over the

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Speaker 1: finish line totally, like he stands against two of the

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Speaker 1: big things that they're talking about that they're saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you got to vote for us, so we take action

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Speaker 1: on guns and abortion. Let alone. You know the one

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Speaker 1: that I really care about, which is he's a lone

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Speaker 1: Democratic vote against the pro Act. So bottom line, they

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Speaker 1: have no principles. They're full of it. And AOC went

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Speaker 1: on to say that this is just basically an incumbent

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Speaker 1: protection racket, and it's hard to see that it's anything

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Speaker 1: on Quaar that's certainly true on the Democratic legislation. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just would submit. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I just fundamentally don't agree with most of the things

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Speaker 1: that they would do, even if they did nuke the filibuster.

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Speaker 1: So even if Joe Manchin were to do so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the only thing that he would appear to support on

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Speaker 1: the bipartisan thing is the Mansion to me universal background check.

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Speaker 1: I have no problem with that, you know whatsoever. But

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Speaker 1: I also I wonder, and I'll just ask you, do

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Speaker 1: you really think that that enough Democratic senators would be

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Speaker 1: okay with doing something like that. I think so there's

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Speaker 1: a fundamental part of the Democratic coalition that just wants

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Speaker 1: to seize guns and like that's just not going to

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Speaker 1: happen in this country now. But the current even makeup

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Speaker 1: of the Senate, there there's I would say a pretty

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Speaker 1: small proportion of the Senate Democratic caucus that wants to

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Speaker 1: do much more than what's in the Mansion to Me bill.

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Speaker 1: I think it is very likely what they would put

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Speaker 1: forward would basically be, you know, the Mansion to Me

644
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Speaker 1: which came out of bipartisan negotiations following Sandy Hook, which

645
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: is this very sort of like middle of the road

646
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: moderate reform bill. You probably would end up with something

647
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Speaker 1: like that. I mean, the idea that Democrats are really

648
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Speaker 1: going to radically do anything to it's not going to happen.

649
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we see the way that these people operate.

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Speaker 1: Everything they do is a negotiation within a negotiation. They

651
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: start from the center position, and they like work backward

652
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: and could you know, fall off of the principles that

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Speaker 1: they start with. So no, they're going to say this

654
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: is what Joe Manchin in West Virginia can support, this

655
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: is what we're going with, and we're not going any

656
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Speaker 1: further than that. But it's a moot point anyway, because

657
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: they're not going to do anything to change the filibuster,

658
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: which gives them an excuse not to have to actually govern,

659
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: so that they can just use this issue once again

660
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: in the next campaign and say, you know, Republicans are

661
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 1: bad even though we literally just went to the mat

662
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: to drag across the finish line and incumbent who stands

663
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Speaker 1: against the very things that we claim to support. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that in general. Look, I

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00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: mean I talked about this in my monologue. I talked

666
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Speaker 1: about it yesterday as well. Like you know, the American

667
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: people mostly agree with a general pro gun position relative

668
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: to the what I'm talking about in terms of banning.

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Speaker 1: AR fifteen has never been record low support for a

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Speaker 1: ban on handguns, even though current current Supreme Court ruling

671
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Speaker 1: would make that even nonconstitutional. Same on an AR fifteen ban,

672
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I look at it as Yeah, I

673
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: mean I think that whatever happens, if anything happens, is

674
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Speaker 1: also a result of and this is you know, really

675
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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about is a trust deficit. There is

676
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: just simply no trust amongst a huge portion of the

677
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: Republican base and a significant amount of independence, including myself.

678
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Speaker 1: That and I mean, you can see even my skepticism

679
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: on a red flag law. I'm like, I know how

680
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: that's going to get used against other people. And now

681
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: that doesn't know me, you can say that it's worth it,

682
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: but you know, my fundamental orientation, especially over the last

683
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: couple of years, is I don't trust you. I don't

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00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: trust a single thing that you say. You're going to

685
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: have to prove to me over a significant period of

686
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: time that this process will not be misused against political dissidence,

687
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: as it was in the Patriot Act, as it was

688
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: in the current domestic terrorism law, even currently with the

689
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: universal background check. Again, I think that's fine. You know,

690
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Speaker 1: it seems like it would crack down on some on

691
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Speaker 1: the margins. But you know, at the end of the day,

692
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: whenever the media and other people say douce something, I

693
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: think they mean take people's guns or at the very least,

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Speaker 1: they won't ban or make it much more difficult, or

695
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Speaker 1: magazine restrictions, all these types of things. I mean, but

696
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: this is kind of this is kind of a straw

697
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Speaker 1: man like there is very little act. First of all,

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Speaker 1: there is no legislation that has been proposed at the

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Speaker 1: federal level to supported by broad majority of Democrats to

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Speaker 1: confiscate guns, because I mean, I think this is and

701
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Speaker 1: this is this is a talking point that like the

702
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: NRIA uses because it freaks people out and it causes

703
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Speaker 1: them to continue to vote for their candidates who have

704
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: extreme positions on these issues that are not supported by

705
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Speaker 1: the American public. So you're correct. Is there broad support

706
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Speaker 1: for like banning all handguns? No? Is there? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think assault weapons, it's been a mixed bag in

708
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: terms of where the public support is. But I just

709
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: looked up support for red flag laws allowing the police

710
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: or a family member to seek a court order to

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Speaker 1: temporarily take away guns if they feel a gun owner

712
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Speaker 1: may harm themselves or others. That has seventy plus percent support.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the actual things that are being

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Speaker 1: proposed and whether on the margins they would make a difference.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't see this. I don't see the

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Speaker 1: right to have a gun in any and all circumstances

717
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Speaker 1: in the same way that I see the right to

718
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Speaker 1: not be killed by a drones or the right to

719
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Speaker 1: not be surveilled by the government. I think that the

720
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Speaker 1: Second Amendment, it is a narrow right. For you know,

721
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: it talks about a well regulated militia. And even within

722
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Speaker 1: the current relatively extreme interpretation of the second Amount with

723
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Speaker 1: which you are correct, is basically what has ruled the

724
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: day in terms of the Supreme Court. Even within that

725
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: things like red flag laws have been upheld. So within

726
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Speaker 1: the boundaries of where we the existing jurisprudence, there are

727
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Speaker 1: things that we could do that could make a difference.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can do you really not support like universal

729
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: background tracks or right? I mean, there are things that

730
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Speaker 1: almost everybody agrees on that is not going to be

731
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Speaker 1: a complete solution. And you are right, this is a

732
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: band aid over a lot of societal problems that lead

733
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Speaker 1: us to be so mistrustful and continue to acquire more

734
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Speaker 1: and more weapons. That is all certainly the case, but

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there's nothing we could do that would

736
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Speaker 1: make a difference whatsoever. I certainly agree I think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, some sort of universal background check system is

738
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Speaker 1: absolutely correct. I just you know, when I see the

739
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: I see there's a level of bloodthirst that I think

740
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Speaker 1: comes in the media, and I think the deranged kind

741
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: of activist class, and we're about to get to derangement

742
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: on that, which is frankly, that's really what frightens me.

743
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Speaker 1: It really just reminds me of the post nine to

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Speaker 1: eleven era. I mean, you know, the Patriot Act is

745
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: very popular, so whenever I consider it within that context,

746
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: it's like we have watched how this is used. I mean,

747
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Speaker 1: you could you could see certainly right Antifa would not

748
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Speaker 1: Antifa membership warrant red flag, you know, law consideration. I

749
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: don't think they have a problem with that. I think

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Speaker 1: I think they have a right to have a guin well,

751
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't like very mostly I think

752
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: probably so it should be on your side on this,

753
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: But no, I just don't see it in the same

754
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Speaker 1: way as this like fundamental right that you can get

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00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: any gun at any age, at any time, with no

756
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Speaker 1: weight limit, with no background check. If you go to

757
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: a gun show, you can get it with no background

758
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Speaker 1: check whatsoever. I just don't support back. I just don't

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Speaker 1: agree it's limits at eighteen and not even any gun.

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Speaker 1: It's a tremendous amount of restrictions in this country. Magazines

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Speaker 1: of state by state, depending on where you go. It's

762
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Speaker 1: not that easy to go and to just get one. Yes.

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Speaker 1: In a lot of states it is. I mean again,

764
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Speaker 1: it's right went on his eighteenth birthdays. They are fifteen.

765
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Speaker 1: But Texas is not even the loosest state in the

766
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Speaker 1: country in terms of gun laws. I mean, you know,

767
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Speaker 1: in Virginia it's also very easy. There are a lot

768
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Speaker 1: of places where it's you know, it's pretty simple. And

769
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Speaker 1: another thing I was thinking about is there's also an

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Speaker 1: argument which I find somewhat compelling and I think has

771
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: some truth to it, that you know, the really hardened

772
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: criminals like this dude who's clearly decided and committed to,

773
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: you know, committing atrocious mass killing, that having more laws

774
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: in place isn't going to stop them because obviously murders

775
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: illegal and they don't care about bringing that law. But

776
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,720
Speaker 1: it is note worthy. This guy waited until he could

777
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: legally purchase his guns, and so he did actually follow

778
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: the legal process in order to acquire his firearms. So

779
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Speaker 1: having things like waiting periods, thirty day waiting period Is

780
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Speaker 1: that really a problem? Having red flag law where if

781
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: you have someone who you have to go through a

782
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: court process and prove that they are imminent danger to

783
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: themselves or others being temporarily barred not in definitely temporary

784
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Speaker 1: barred from having firearm. Could that help in the margins? Yes?

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00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Has it been unpelded in the courts, yes, Universal background

786
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: checks no brainer. I mean again, I think there are

787
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: some basic things that could be done which would help

788
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: on the margins. And do we need to address mental

789
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: health issues yes? Do we need to address the societal decline? Yes?

790
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,959
Speaker 1: Do we need to address the fact that the media

791
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: makes us hate each other and fear each other and

792
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: all of that, Yes, But in the meantime, you could

793
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: have a principle of harm reduction that at least you

794
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: could have some fewer number of people not suffering through

795
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: this atrocious grief and tragedy. I think a lot of that.

796
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Speaker 1: You know, it's going to be a derivative of trust,

797
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: and we'll see how it works. Also with the legislation

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00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: and how the administration. We don't get to go anywhere.

799
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Speaker 1: We already know what's going to happen. Imagine to me, Actually,

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Speaker 1: I do think it's certainly possible that some sort of

801
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Speaker 1: background check in the past. I mean, they only need

802
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: nine votes in order to make that happen. I doubt it,

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00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 1: I do well, But remember, though Schumer does control the floor,

804
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: McConnell does not have as iron clad on the caucus

805
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: you have, at least you know well Collin's main is

806
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: a tricky one whenever it comes to gun rights Alaska

807
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: as well, so you can't necessarily count on them. But

808
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: I think there's only two senators who are in support,

809
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: two Republican senators who were in supportive Mansion to me,

810
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: who are still in the Senate to me who was retiring,

811
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: So he's got a vote there. I believe Rubio actually

812
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: was pro read flag law in Florida, given that he

813
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: backs that, so it's possible that he could vote for something.

814
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to look again at the overall

815
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: you know what, what the actual vote count is on there.

816
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Speaker 1: But if it is truly, as you say, just a

817
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: universal background check, then yeah, I mean, look, I absolutely

818
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: support it, and I do think that it would come

819
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: from a cynical place, but I do understand also truly

820
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: like where the immense frustration of given inch seems to

821
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: come from, because there's just such a lack of good faith.

822
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it isn't bidirectional, because it certainly is.

823
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Speaker 1: But there's just such a such a lack of good

824
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Speaker 1: faith in the current political system that giving even also

825
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: to the base. I mean the you know, red flag

826
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Speaker 1: law is a good example. Dan Crenshaw was crucified in

827
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Speaker 1: Texas for supporting red flag legislation, absolutely crucified and continues

828
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Speaker 1: to be to this day for supporting a sea still

829
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Speaker 1: has a st Marco Rubio supported red flag. Joe supported

830
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Speaker 1: mansion to me in West Virginia, and you know, famously

831
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Speaker 1: in one of his ads, had like shot the climate legislation.

832
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Speaker 1: Remember that ad, and then he signs on the indastry

833
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: still haul a seat in very difficult terrain for Democrats. So,

834
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Speaker 1: you know, if you go along with things that are

835
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: well within the mainstream of public opinion, which frankly have

836
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: been kept off the table, primarily because of the power

837
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: organization money and very dedicated hardcore supporters of the Second Amendment,

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00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: those things have been kept off the table. If you

839
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Speaker 1: stay in the realm of those things. I think politically

840
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: you're going to be fine, because I mean, the nation

841
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: looks at this and they're disgusted with the fact that

842
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: we could continue to have these mash We just had

843
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: the same thing in Buffalo unfold and that nothing happens.

844
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: I mean you could then at least you could say, Okay,

845
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: we tried to do something to make it that this

846
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: happens less often that you know, as a society, just

847
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: on a basic level, we were able to pass some

848
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of bill to approach this in some kind of way.

849
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Speaker 1: But oh, over decades, I mean, not a single piece

850
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Speaker 1: of legislation to address this grief and trauma and the

851
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,760
Speaker 1: fact that we're such a massive outlier in terms of violence.

852
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Speaker 1: And I do think that there is a broad public

853
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: frustration and sense of despair that we just seem to

854
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: on such a basic level be unable to do even

855
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the obvious, obvious things that I absolutely certainly agree, let's

856
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Speaker 1: get to the derangement here. This is just a really

857
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: disgusting view of people online in the middle of these

858
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: immense tragedies and crises. You just need to stop first

859
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: and fir more. And this is all sides. We've got

860
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: it all for everybody. Yes we do. Let's start with

861
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: the first one. This one pissed me off to no end,

862
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: which is that whoever this guy is, I'm not Lewis

863
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: the Eric Lewis tweets out the father of one of

864
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: the victims from the Texas shooting was pro gun and

865
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: literally championing Kyle Rittenhouse on Facebook. And look, he was

866
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: roundly criticized, but he also you know, garnered over eleven

867
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: thousand likes and a lot of people who supported him

868
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: and said, this is what you actually have to do.

869
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: How about we let the man grieve his kids regardless

870
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: of his politics while his little child is dead. I mean,

871
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: does it matter what exactly he supported or not? You know,

872
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: I'd also point out that he's a Latino American or

873
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Hispanic American, So you know, maybe ask yourself why exactly

874
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: some Latino guy in Uvalde shit posting pro Kyle Rittenhouse

875
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: memes as to how exactly that happened culturally, that might

876
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: actually help you out. But what is the sickness? I

877
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: can't imagine, you know, even these such artless asshole that

878
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: you basically look at this and are like you're I mean,

879
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: the insinuation here is that you deserve to have your

880
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: child murdered because you have bad politics, Like, get the

881
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. I saw it with Fred. You know,

882
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of people out there, Fred Gutenberg,

883
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: you know others who become major political activists after the

884
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: kids get killed. You don't say anything because their kids

885
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: were killed. Okay, they could say whatever they want. It's

886
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: a free country. I remember also, there were people pissed

887
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: off one time, this was back in the nineties, whenever

888
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 1: somebody was I think some of the guy's dad who

889
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: was killed in black Hawk Down didn't want to shake

890
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: Clinton's hand and he when he was in the Medal

891
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: of Honor sar. Yeah, let the man be you know,

892
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: his kid was killed in black hawk Down. Or you

893
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: know when it drives me insane to turn these people

894
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: into targets Cindy Shan, Yeah, exactly, don't say anything. She

895
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: can say what she wants, you know, the rest of

896
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: the people around her whatever. But well, I mean, everybody's

897
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 1: got a freedom of speech, but Cindy, Cindy, her son

898
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 1: was killed in Iraq. It's like, the way that we

899
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: turn these people into political targets is just a complete sickness.

900
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: And then also there what the hell is wrong with

901
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: this country where the immediate thing that happens is where like, oh,

902
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: was the shooter a white racist or was he not?

903
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: Let's find out the race immediately and trying to turn

904
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: it into a thing. Or here, you know over on

905
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: Fox News you found this one. Split it up there.

906
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: These guys immediately are like, oh, we need bulletproof blankets

907
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: and booby traps and armed military contractors. Well and in school,

908
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: let me read to you a little bit of what

909
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: they said here, because it really is something on the

910
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: booby traps. They had some dudon who said, we need

911
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: to install man traps, a series of interlocking doors at

912
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: the school entrants that are triggered by tripwire traps. The

913
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: shooter like a rat. It's trip wires, it's man traps.

914
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: It's not labor, it's not gun control. This other person

915
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: who wanted the blanket bulletproof blankets said, and I quote,

916
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: instead of parents buying their kids all these tools and

917
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: toys and games, invest in the classroom make it safer.

918
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: They have blankets that you can put up on the

919
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: wall that are colorful and beautiful, but they're ballistic blankets.

920
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: And you know what was going on on Fox is

921
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: they don't want to talk even about like background checks

922
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: or anything like that, which again would be broadly popular

923
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: even with their audience. They don't really want to have

924
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: that conversation. The normal place they go is like, we

925
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: need more good guys with guns. Well, that doesn't really

926
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: work out in this situation either, because the quote unquote

927
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: good guys with guns were on the scene from the beginning,

928
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: and we already covered in depth what a complete failure

929
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: that ultimately was the quote unquote contained the killer and

930
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 1: a classroom where he massacred an entire class of fourth

931
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: grade students. So instead they have gone very hard in

932
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: the direction of basically like making schools hardened military targets,

933
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: and Ted Cruz is on, you know, talking about how

934
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: we need to mandate a single door for schools and more,

935
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, there need to be more police officers on

936
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: the scene, when obviously the number of police officers wasn't

937
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: ultimately the problem. So you know, they they also they're

938
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: playing a game here because they don't want to be

939
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: on about some of the basic things that could make

940
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: a difference. They also, you know, they'll throw off the

941
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: mental health thing, and it's very similar dynamic to Governor Abbitt.

942
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: Then if you actually propose something that would you know,

943
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: cover people in terms of their mental health, they don't

944
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: really want to. They're not interested in that. That one

945
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: really gets we got to go with we're going with

946
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: ballistic blankets. That's the solution they're offering. Yeah, and then

947
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: Paul Gostar, let's put this up there. I mean, why

948
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: do these boomers fall for that? This is? This is

949
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: even he tweets immediately afterwards. We already know, fool, We

950
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: know already fool. It's a transsexual leftist illegal alien named

951
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: Salvatore Ramos. It's apparently your kind of trash. Well, let's

952
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: go through. That's the name. Number one, he's not trans.

953
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: Number two, I mean, there's no current indication that he's

954
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: likes politics. Number three he was born in North Dakota, America. Well,

955
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: and he was far from the only one. Yeah, there

956
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: are people were spreading. I even saw it on my timeline.

957
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, this is Salvador Ramos with a trans flag.

958
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: It took one Google search to be I'm like, oh,

959
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: is this but I don't think it matters. But I

960
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: was like, okay, is it true or not? No, it

961
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: actually wasn't true. It's just some random trans person. So

962
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, why is it that people are just so willing?

963
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: And I saw this also during the crazy guy who

964
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: shot all those congressman or shot at all those congressmen

965
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: who he was a Bernie bro I'm like, he's just

966
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: a nutjob. He's the nut job. These people are nuts,

967
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cruz nuts. I mean, take what they say obviously

968
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: in terms of their motivation and all that, only you know,

969
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt on anything grand politically, except

970
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: for anybody who like the Pulse guy, yeah he was

971
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: part of isis okay? That one is pretty clear. The

972
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: rest of them, I mean, and even then, even when

973
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: you're you know, if whatever propels you to be a

974
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: maniac who slaughters a bunch of gay people in a nightclub,

975
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: they're insanity, Like there is just seems to be this

976
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: deep want to try and connect these people to broader

977
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: political movements for a political agenda. Remember there was some

978
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: Nation of Islam guy who like stabbed a cop. You're

979
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: in DC on the Capitol like after January sixth, complete,

980
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: you know, the media is like, oh no, we listen,

981
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: just report the facts. It's fine. You know, everybody I

982
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: think is generally well has it wherewithal to say that

983
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: putting shooters in and turning these massive crimes immediately into

984
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: some broader political commentary on a movement that you don't

985
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: like is sick because then it's eventually it will happen

986
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: regarding somebody who agrees with yours, and then the other

987
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: side will do that too. It's a doom spiral. Yeah,

988
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: I mean it's complicated. You're certainly correct. There's this completely

989
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: grotesque instinct among some figures online and some media figures,

990
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: apparently some members of Congresses. Yeah, members of Congress to

991
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: take any situation and facts acide, like, the facts don't matter.

992
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: We're just gonna take whatever our current culture war fixation is,

993
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna feed this incident through the

994
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: lens of whatever our current culture war thing is. So here,

995
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: it's you know, with ghosts are and I saw canvas

996
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 1: Owns tweeting something similar. It's a transsexual leftist alien barring

997
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: facts not necessary, right, I don't What I don't like

998
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: is when people say, don't make this political, because the

999
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: reality is the society exists, it is political. I mean,

1000
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: these the cult, broader cultural factors that lead us to

1001
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: a situation where this happens routinely in a way that

1002
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: it does not happen in other places. Yeah, those are

1003
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: political questions. So I don't want to say take the

1004
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: politics out of it all together, because clearly politics is

1005
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, the way we try to address and handle

1006
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: these things as a society and the debates that we have.

1007
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: But like, there's such an instinct to want to just

1008
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: ignore whatever the facts are and apply your priors to

1009
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: the situation and feed it through your own sort of

1010
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: cultural trips. The other one I saw from the left

1011
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: to call out my own people was a bunch of

1012
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: people and I saw I saw a bunch of posts

1013
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: like this that were like, oh, so they were able

1014
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: to take the buffalo shooter alive because he's white, and

1015
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: then they killed this one because he's got a little

1016
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: bit of melanin. And it's like, what where did you

1017
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: even get that from? You want? Yeah, you wanted them

1018
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: to keep this murder a lot. What are you talking about? Like,

1019
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: my issue is they didn't murder this motherfucker sooner. So

1020
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: again you're like you're taking something that, Yes, racism is real,

1021
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: there's problems. Believe all of that, but don't apply this

1022
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense in this situation. So save that

1023
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: for when it you know, make that point when it

1024
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: actually makes some sense. So that's what I would say

1025
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: about this. There's just such an instinct to immediately whatever

1026
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: your personal like. It'd be like if I if I

1027
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: looked at the situation, I was like, you know, what

1028
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 1: the real problem is is that, uh, you know, the

1029
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: the parents aren't unionized or like, that doesn't make any sense,

1030
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: but you know, that's the thing I'm particularly obsessed with.

1031
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: So if I was applying my frame to this, I'd

1032
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: find some way to make it about like labor unions.

1033
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: And I just see people routinely doing that with these

1034
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: types of circumstances. Really not helpful. That's completely insane. We

1035
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: should you know, I wish we'd pulled one of those

1036
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: or if you were like it's because of this wokeness.

1037
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: I saw some people trying to make that point too

1038
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: that there was like this is because of defund the

1039
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 1: police and because people don't want to call the cops.

1040
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: They're like, there were cops already, dozens of cops there,

1041
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: so literally, what are you talking about? Look and that's

1042
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: the part I appreciate what you're saying, which is that

1043
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: oftentimes people say, don't make this political as a way

1044
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: in order to shield themselves criticism. Yeah, and whenever I'm

1045
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: talking about it specifically, it's within this contentt Yeah, that

1046
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: example is a perfect one. Or why didn't they shot

1047
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: this guy because he wasn't white? What? No, we want

1048
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: them both shot? But no, actually not even that. If

1049
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: we could take them, you know, alive and put them

1050
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: on trial for their crimes, that's actually so you should

1051
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: want that. Barring that, like, yes, you are correct, and

1052
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: I do want to stand corrected on that. But barring that, like,

1053
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: just make sure he's not in a position or her people.

1054
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: It never takes to do that. And anyway, don'ta be

1055
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: an idiot or asshole. That's the bottom line. Let's talk

1056
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: about let's talk about something else. Okay. In Michigan, this

1057
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: is actually a crazy, crazy story. So five out of

1058
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: ten of the Republican gubernatorial candidates who are re ving

1059
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: in a primary to try to take on Gretchen Whitmer

1060
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: have now been suggested for disqualification because they turned in

1061
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: thousands of fraudulent signatures in order to get on the ballot.

1062
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at this tear sheet is from

1063
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: local news. They say massive signature fraud scandal up ends

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Speaker 1: Michigan GOP gubernatorial race. The State bure of Elections has

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Speaker 1: recommended that five of the ten Republican candidates hope in

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Speaker 1: OUs Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer, should be kicked off the

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Speaker 1: ballot prior to the August second primary due to tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of Ford signatures. The Michigan Board of State Canvassers,

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Speaker 1: which is evenly divided between Dems and Republicans, is set

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Speaker 1: to meet and take up those recommendations. It wasn't just

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Speaker 1: the gubernatorial candidates, though, there were also some down ballot

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Speaker 1: candidates for circuit judges, district judges, and congressional races that

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Speaker 1: also had these fraudulent signatures. What appears to have happened, Sager,

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Speaker 1: is that they all, I think, use the same services

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Speaker 1: that were apparently not just fraudsters but really bad at it.

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Speaker 1: Go and put this up on the screen. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you can see these signatures. They're on the right,

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00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: but they're like really obviously forged, where the handwriting all

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Speaker 1: looks the same, The signatures all look the same in right,

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00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: they sort of like rotate through these ink colors to

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Speaker 1: try to make it look like they're differencing. It was

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: just very obvious fraud. And you know, in a way,

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00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: these candidates, they're trying to say, oh, we're the victims here,

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Speaker 1: but it's your basic job to make sure that you're

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Speaker 1: actually getting the signatures, that the signatures are legit. And

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: this isn't just like the random no name candidates in

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00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: this race. This is some of the top contenders in

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00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: the primary who are now in danger of being removed.

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Speaker 1: One of them, in particular, his last name is Craig.

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00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember his first name. He was widely seen

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00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: as the odds on favorite to win the nomination. They

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00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: found that he had turned in over eleven thousand invalid signatures,

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Speaker 1: including nearly ten thousand from fraudulent petition circulators, and less

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00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: than half of his twenty one thousand plus signatures were

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00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: facially valid, leaving him well short of the fifteen thousand

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Speaker 1: signatures needed to make the ballot. There was another candidate.

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Speaker 1: One candidate just dropped out altogether. Looking at the circumstances,

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Speaker 1: State Police Chief Michael Brown just dropped out of the race,

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Speaker 1: even without having officially been removed. So it's pretty wild,

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00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: and of course, you know, I mean it is a

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Speaker 1: little bit ironic that, of course, Michigan was one of

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Speaker 1: the states where there was a big fuss raised about

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: the sanctity of elections and these Democrats trying to they

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00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: got what they wanted and all of that. You know,

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00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: the laws are being enforced on their asses. They got

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Speaker 1: what they wanted. They have the most stringent I just

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00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: looked it up. They have the most stringent signature laws

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: in the entire country. So okay, all right, you have

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00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: your secure election and now you can't run. So this

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00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: has not happened since twenty twelve, since a Republican from

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00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: Livonia Will had to drop out after it was discovered

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Speaker 1: that four members of his staff filed fraudulent signatures also

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Speaker 1: in Ottawa County, a judicial person. But it looks like

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Speaker 1: it's been a decade since this actually happened in the

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Speaker 1: state of Michigan. And like you said, they were working

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00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: with a ring of what the press in Michigan is

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: calling unscrupulous signature gatherers. So it's kind of a fascinating

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Speaker 1: part I think of the election process, you know, people.

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if they know this, but Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: won his I think it was a state senate race,

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00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: or maybe it was his Senate race his initial primary,

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Speaker 1: whichever one it actually was, one based upon challenge lenging

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Speaker 1: the signatures actually of his opponent. So this is a

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Speaker 1: long standing kind of tradition. His consultant at the time

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Speaker 1: was like, there's no way that that person got that

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Speaker 1: amount of signatures in time. Let's go through and look

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Speaker 1: at it. And he he was like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to win this way. And they were like, this is

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Speaker 1: the only way, and he's like, okay, let's win this way,

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Speaker 1: which is classical. Interesting, Well, that's how he writes it

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Speaker 1: in his biography. Can you can decide exactly which way

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Speaker 1: it goes, But look, I think it's a totally legitimate thing.

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Speaker 1: And really what it shows you is that you know

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Speaker 1: this is going to upend the race dramatically. Michigan was

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Speaker 1: a very likely pick up for the Republicans. I mean, Whitmer,

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Speaker 1: you know, she was popular during the pandemic, but then

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01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: also you know clearly things to could turn. There's some

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Speaker 1: stuff going on with her husband and exactly lockdown procedure

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01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: and then you know she really dropped in national consciousness.

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Speaker 1: Every state Democrat, right, exactly, every everybody is very in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I mean Trump only lost Michigan, but it wasn't that

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 1: it was close. I mean he won it very close

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: the first time, and then also lost it very close

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01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: the second time, which was not expected whatsoever ahead in

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: terms of the polling. So given the national environment, this

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: should have been a relatively easy pick up for the GOP.

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Speaker 1: And I just think I enjoy the hypocrisy of whenever

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Speaker 1: these things happen, when McCormick is like, no, no, no no, no,

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01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: now we need to count dated ball which we said

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01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: were the reason the whole election was stolen. It's like

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01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: when their asses are on the line, then they don't care.

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: Then they want the loosest election law interpretation possible, which

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01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: is just so perfect, very true, very true. So it'll

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: be interesting. We'll keep track of that one and see

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Speaker 1: if they if they're saved by this state board of canvassers,

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Speaker 1: if they allow them to stay on the ballot. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, the rule is the rule, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you either have the number of signatures and they're legitimate,

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Speaker 1: or you don't. And yeah, sucks. You got taken in

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Speaker 1: by like a shitty frauds r didn't even do a

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Speaker 1: good job at forging the signatures. It also does make

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Speaker 1: you wonder, like how often this happens and they just

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01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: got like, oh, I'm sure it happened to and they

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01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: just got it happens to someone who was incompetent. When

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Speaker 1: you ran for office, how did you do it? You

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: have to like hire in Virginia, at least at the time,

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Speaker 1: we didn't hire anybody. It was just there was a

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01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: fairly low number that you had to get. And so

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean we and our campaign team went out and

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Speaker 1: gathered them. That's what that's what you technically you're really

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01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: supposed to do, but are part of the process, Like

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Speaker 1: why can't you just run for office? I don't mind

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: it because it at least shows some level of commitment organization.

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Speaker 1: Is that why they put it in place? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think so. I think that's the ideas, like show that

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Speaker 1: you're actually gonna you know, puts a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a threshold that's achievable, and it shouldn't be some crazy

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Speaker 1: number like that's a fairly large number of signatures you

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Speaker 1: have to get. It should to me it shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: some crazy number, but to have to go out in

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Speaker 1: the community actually gathering, I don't know. I don't have

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Speaker 1: a big problem with that. I guess if you didn't

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01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: have these laws, then ballots would just be overwhelmed with

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Speaker 1: like a bunch of randos who just want to run

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01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: but don't Actually, yeah, all right, makes sense sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I get it. So anyway it goes. Let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead to this is the fun story on this one.

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01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: We've been saving this for all of you. Mike ped

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01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: tiptoeing round. Let's put this on the screen, tiptoeing away

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Speaker 1: from Trump laying the groundwork for twenty twenty four run,

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01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: leaking it to the New York Times. By leaking it,

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Speaker 1: I mean calling a reporter for the New York Times

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Speaker 1: and not saying that he's going to run, but just

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01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: says that he's keeping his options open, and he's looking

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Speaker 1: at all of these things. And it's interesting because Pence

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01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: is putting his case for the presidency based on what

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Speaker 1: happened in Georgia. But that's incredibly foolish. Just because Brian

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Speaker 1: Kemp and Brad Rathensberger are able to win in Georgia

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: does not mean, you're gonna win a GOP primary. Some

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Speaker 1: fifty percent of Republicans identify as Trump Republicans. Most registered

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01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: Republicans they like Donald Trump. Some are willing to and

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Speaker 1: say they want to move on from him. But given

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01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: the way that it works, if he was the one

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: on the ballot, he would clearly have a runaway with it,

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Speaker 1: And even then, if he were to have an a primary,

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Speaker 1: he would win almost every single one by over fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: I just think this is a complete cope on the

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Speaker 1: part of Mike Pence, and it just shows you that

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Speaker 1: this is the real delusion and dream of a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who look at the victories of a Brian

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Speaker 1: Camp and a Brad Roethlisberger is Oh, We're just gonna

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Speaker 1: go back to the good old days of Reaganism and

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Speaker 1: Mitt rom It's like, no, guys, because like I was

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Speaker 1: telling you yesterday, who also won on that Georgia primary

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01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: and Crystal Marjorie Taylor Green, Okay, this brand of Macca

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Speaker 1: it's here forever, Like this is the Republican Party at

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Speaker 1: this point, and a lot of these guys are just

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: not able to fathom that things have moved so far

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Speaker 1: past them. It's why Chris Christie failed in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: and it's why even his current bid in order to

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Speaker 1: attach himself also to Kemp and all this this is

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01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: a fake media creation. So you have to be able

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Speaker 1: to have the analysis in your head at the same

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Speaker 1: time that Trump voters are willing to move past Trump

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01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: in some certain instances, but that he is the unambed,

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Speaker 1: biguous leader of the Republican Party, and any idea to

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Speaker 1: the contrary is ludacris. I think the only person, only

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Speaker 1: person who would garner more than fifteen to twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent of the vote and I think would still lose

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01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: is Ron DeSantis if he ran his And again, I

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: think he would win maybe twenty five percent something like that,

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01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh, that's respectable. But I don't

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Speaker 1: even think Pence could win. I don't know, maybe ten

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Speaker 1: five something like that. They're kind of in a bubble.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you know, he's round by surrounded by

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Speaker 1: people who think like him, and you know, the type

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01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: of Republicans that'll like Pence say sort of nice things

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01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: about Trump and public but privately have been unhappy with

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01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: him as the president for a long you know, and

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01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 1: we're not into him in the primary and are they're

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: mostly disturbed that they their little faction doesn't have control

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Speaker 1: of the party anymore. That's really what it ultimately is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we see these same fights within the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party where it's not so much about principles or ideology

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01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: as it is about I want my band of grifters

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01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: to be back in charge and to be back in

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01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: control of the party, because you know, I mean, ultimately

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Speaker 1: Trump and Pence stylistically are very different, but as Trump

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Speaker 1: on a policy level much different than Mike been No,

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Speaker 1: not really. It was interesting. A lot of these differences

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01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: are are stylistic. I think there is definitely a difference

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Speaker 1: between Like I don't think Pence would have incited you know,

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01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: January sixth, and wouldn't have obviously he stood as a

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Speaker 1: bulwark against the whole idea of the fake slates of

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Speaker 1: electors and all of that stuff. So that is a

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Speaker 1: real difference, and I do think that that matters. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to downplay that. But in terms of policy,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of basically more or less the same. Nothing

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01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: is going to change on policy front, but nobody was

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01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: on policy well we all learn, you know, it's all

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01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: about the style it's all. That's simply you know, Biden

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Speaker 1: was elected on vibe. Well so was Trump. Well I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. I okay, when you have candidates run campaigns

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Speaker 1: that are devoid of policy, then yes, no one votes

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Speaker 1: on policy. Yeah, but look at I mean people, I

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Speaker 1: don't like what Brian Kemp has done as governor of Georgia,

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Speaker 1: but the Republican base did. He was you know, these

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Speaker 1: draconian voter laws and the CRT and abortion and guns

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Speaker 1: and whatever. He did all the things they wanted him

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Speaker 1: to do, and so you know, it wasn't just sort

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Speaker 1: of signaling it was it was based in large part

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Speaker 1: on policy. So I thought it was interesting. In this

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Speaker 1: article they talk about the speech that Pence gave down

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Speaker 1: when he was in Georgia stumping for Kemp, and he

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Speaker 1: said it was well received, if not overwhelmingly. So it

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Speaker 1: had all the bearings of a Republican in Iowa leaning

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Speaker 1: toward a presidential bid, knowing references to local polls, Midwest

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Speaker 1: totems like John Deere, and attacks on the Democrats and

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Speaker 1: power in Washington. Yet it also had the distinct air

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Speaker 1: of a pre Trump brand of Republicanism, with only the

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Speaker 1: slightest criticism of the news media, and that was even

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Speaker 1: gloved with all due respect, references to becoming a grandfather

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Speaker 1: and g rated jokes that could have just as easily

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Speaker 1: been delivered by Mitt Romney involved Washington, Dede and Hot Air.

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Speaker 1: So there's sort of this desire to put the uh

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Speaker 1: I think he used the term boorishness of Trump and

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Speaker 1: his acolytes. They want to They don't like that, they

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Speaker 1: don't like the lack of civility, you know, the overturning

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Speaker 1: the apple card at every turn. They kind of want

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Speaker 1: to put that back in the in the bag. They

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Speaker 1: want to get their band of consultants and grifters back

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Speaker 1: in power. But ultimately, you know, clearly they don't have

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Speaker 1: the hearts of the Republican base at this point. And

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Speaker 1: so as much as we talked some this week about

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Speaker 1: how Trump doesn't have quite the lock and hold on

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Speaker 1: the Republican basis he used to, there is still no

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Speaker 1: doubt that he is king of this party, and anyone

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Speaker 1: who is thinking of challenging themselves and thinks they really

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Speaker 1: have a chance are pretty much I really don't get that.

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Speaker 1: This is a broader commentary on a lot of these

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Speaker 1: never Trump folks like, just do what I did. Just

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Speaker 1: be like, you know, the Republican Party is clearly not

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Speaker 1: with me, and that's fine. You know, it actually is

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Speaker 1: fine to just be like yeah, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of liberating, actually very I feel great. I'm just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do what I do. You know, we do the

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Speaker 1: show together and I say what I say, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I occasionally praise somebody here, somebody there. I think that's

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Speaker 1: how a lot of people engage with politics. There seems

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Speaker 1: to be this need to be like no, no, no no,

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Speaker 1: this is the party is lost what it is. You

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01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: don't decide the voters aside. The voters decide that they

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01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: love Donald Trump, that's genuinely fine. It's just okay. You

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: can move past it. Same with the democray. You can

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Speaker 1: just be like, okay, the voters went with this way.

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Speaker 1: That means identify more with this particular faction. Every once

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Speaker 1: in a while, you know, you have a collaboration on

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Speaker 1: something that's completely fine. And yet there just seems this

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Speaker 1: need to be like I'm going to reclaim the old identity,

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Speaker 1: like this is what we really stand for. It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't, you know, this is ultimately democracy is democratic,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's just something that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people don't really want to grapp away. Yeah, well then

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Speaker 1: never try. A lot of them just too. They found

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Speaker 1: it like a new grift because they're yeah, they're they're

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson's the world like their particular their their grift

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Speaker 1: in the Republican Party was over one hundred percent. So

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Speaker 1: they found a new grift as the leaders of the

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Speaker 1: resistance in the Democratic Party, and you know, weirdly sort

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Speaker 1: of like immediately switched some of their cultural inclinations to

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Speaker 1: fit the new friends and band of people that they're

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Speaker 1: surrounding themselves with. So some of it is just that

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Speaker 1: as well. And with Mike Pence too, some of it

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Speaker 1: is just you know, I think he is in the

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Speaker 1: type that really sees himself as like, this is my destiny.

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Speaker 1: God called me to be president of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and so he's going to keep persisting in that faith

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Speaker 1: that he's like the special chosen one to lead the

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Speaker 1: nation and out of whatever crisis we're in. Good point, Christ,

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Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? I don't think

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Speaker 1: we've fully processed how extraordinary and how dire the circumstances

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Speaker 1: facing the Democratic Party are right now. A midterm drubbing

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01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 1: in which they lose both chambers is all but guaranteed

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: they hold the White House. And yet almost no one

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01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: really believes the old man at Pennsylvania Avenue right now

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Speaker 1: is actually going to go for again, nor does anyone

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Speaker 1: believe that if he does go for it again, that

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Speaker 1: he is actually well positioned to win. The handpicked successor

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: to Biden has proven herself to be completely unelectable and

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Speaker 1: an even worse choice to beat Trump than the flagging Biden.

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01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: And while slimy Pete plots on the sidelines with big

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01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: donor backers, demonsiders cannot figure out how to move the

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Speaker 1: black female vice president out of the way without facing

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01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: a revolt in being called both racist and sexist. Not

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Speaker 1: that it is at all clear that Pete would be

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Speaker 1: any better shape electorally than either Biden or Kamala. Have

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Speaker 1: you considered how most black people feel about that man?

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Speaker 1: In other words, demolites have caught themselves in a trap

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Speaker 1: entirely of their own making. After all, they wanted Biden,

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Speaker 1: they picked Kamala, they leaned into representation only identity politics,

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Speaker 1: and crucially, they have gone out of their way to

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Speaker 1: crush anything outside of the Mayo Pete brand of status

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Speaker 1: quo politics. That's a backdrop for a dishy new piece

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Speaker 1: from New York Magazine which plums the depths of democratic

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Speaker 1: despair and back. Now. The headline here really captures the

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: angst quote, there has to be a backup plan. There's

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Speaker 1: a backup plan right inside the twenty twenty four soul

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Speaker 1: searching that is happening in every corner of the Democratic Party. Now.

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Speaker 1: The Peace admits that Washington insiders are just as skeptical

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Speaker 1: as the general public about whether Biden will actually attempt

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Speaker 1: a second go route, and the general public is plenty skeptical.

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Speaker 1: Only twenty nine percent of voters are convinced that Biden

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Speaker 1: is going to run again, in spite of his insurance assurances.

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Speaker 1: To the contrary, this skepticism extends from the general population

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Speaker 1: to regular rank and file Democrats, a majority of whom

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Speaker 1: remain unconvinced that he will be on the ticket in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. That insider skepticism is fueled in part

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Speaker 1: by Biden himself, who famously framed his presidency as a

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Speaker 1: bridge to the future, by which he meant candidates like

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Speaker 1: Pete Boutagich, who have the same batt old ideas, just

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Speaker 1: in a younger body. Now, the article doesn't mention it,

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Speaker 1: but it's not clear that even if Biden decides he's

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Speaker 1: up for another go round, the Democratic voters themselves are

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Speaker 1: going to back him. A CNN poll earlier this year

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Speaker 1: found majority support for a Biden alternative. Only forty five

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Speaker 1: percent of party backers want to see him renominated. Now,

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Speaker 1: it is impossible to overstate just how extraordinary it is

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Speaker 1: for the sitting incomebent president to be so thoroughly rejected

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Speaker 1: by his own party's voters, But the electability standard set

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Speaker 1: up by the Democratic establishment ultimately cuts both ways. Dem

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Speaker 1: voters have been primed to care only about electability to

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Speaker 1: the exclusion of any actual principle or issue. That's how

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Speaker 1: we ended up with Biden in the first place. Now

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Speaker 1: that his political fortunes are on the rocks, those same

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Speaker 1: electability focused voters, well, they can read the polls and

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Speaker 1: they see they might be better off with a different horse.

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Speaker 1: After all, it's not like they've been encouraged to participate

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Speaker 1: in a broader political project, something worth fighting for, outside

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Speaker 1: of which candidates are up or down in the polls.

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Speaker 1: They have been drilled repeatedly on the idea that the

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: only thing that matters, to the exclusion of all else,

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: is beating Trump, So it makes plenty of sense that

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 1: they'd have no qualms about abandoning this guy who's turned

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01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,839
Speaker 1: out to be a very poor and very unpopular president,

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Speaker 1: someone they think might better fit their electability over everything model.

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Speaker 1: The question, of course, is who. There's one person who

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Speaker 1: was obviously not an improvement on the electability front, and

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Speaker 1: that would be Kamala Harris. So dumb are the party

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Speaker 1: elders that they have hand picked a successor who had

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Speaker 1: already proven to be a total electoral flop. But her

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Speaker 1: trailblazing identity, the very resume items she was selected for,

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Speaker 1: has proven to be like handcuffs for the party, preventing

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Speaker 1: them from anointing a different successor and risking branded as

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Speaker 1: racists and sexist by the KHive types. Biden himself has

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Speaker 1: clearly soured on his beep. This article reveals that their

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Speaker 1: weekly lunches modeled on the Obama Biden relationship, quickly dropped

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Speaker 1: down to bi weekly lunches, and so far this year

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Speaker 1: they have only managed to dine together twice. The concern

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Speaker 1: over Biden's physical and electoral capabilities, combined with the manifest

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Speaker 1: shortcomings of Kamala Harris, have provoked a full on donor

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Speaker 1: class freakamp again. According to New York Magazine quote, several

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Speaker 1: of the party's largest donors have booked m Bard at

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Speaker 1: Obama's old associates with pleas for insight into some sort

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Speaker 1: of top secret real plan that must exist for the

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Speaker 1: next presidential contest. Spoiler alert, There is no top secret

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Speaker 1: real plan, just hope that things will magically improve, or

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Speaker 1: that Biden can pull off what Macron did in France

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Speaker 1: winning re election in spite of most of the public

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Speaker 1: hating him, because the alternative is even worse. As one

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Speaker 1: former Biden had explained, quote, we've done this before. Yeah,

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01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: everything seems bad, but when it's game time and you've

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Speaker 1: got a fascist up there, everyone will say let's do this.

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01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: And that refrain right. There is as perfect a summation

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Speaker 1: as you could possibly get of exactly how Democrats found

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Speaker 1: themselves in this disastrous predicament, facing down an opposition party

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01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: elite that does have extreme views and actual conspiracy lunatics

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01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: in white nationalists, and unable to do a damn thing

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Speaker 1: about it, because they'd rather keep their little power hungry

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01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: grift going and then tell everyone they had no choice

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01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: but to back them because of the fascists than let

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: in any new blood with any different idea and not

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01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: completely beholden to the disgusting, grotesque corporate alliance. You want

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: to know where the future of the Democratic Party is,

1444
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: It is being crushed systematically in primaries across the country

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Speaker 1: under the weight of millions of dollars, in races like

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Speaker 1: the one that Jessicas Cisnaros looks set to narrowly lose.

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Speaker 1: Nina Turner here is a perfect example. Listen, put aside

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01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: whatever you think of her politics, you will not find

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01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: a more talented, charismatic, orator and inspirational figure in the country.

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: But instead of allowing her primary last cycle to unfold

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Speaker 1: naturally in district voters to make their choice, the establishment

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01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: pulled out every trick in the book to bring her down.

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01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: So now instead of the talented Nina Turner, they end

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: up with the mediocre, forgettable Sean tal Brown, whose only

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Speaker 1: job is to recite the prescribed talking points and fall

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01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,960
Speaker 1: in line. Cultivating the bland and the milk toast has

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01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: literally been the explicit project of the Democratic Party for decades.

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01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: They tried to force a union busting nobody Steve Erwin

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Speaker 1: through a primary to defeat the passionate electric Summer Leak.

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Speaker 1: They literally wanted the most underwhelming person in history, Connor Lamb,

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Speaker 1: over the gregarious, prototypical working class everyman John Fetterman. Their

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Speaker 1: recruitment focus heavily on the fabulously wealthy and rich lawyers

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Speaker 1: for the sole reason that these are the people who

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Speaker 1: can most easily tap personal wealth and personal network wealth

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01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 1: to line the pockets of the consultant class. So why

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Speaker 1: should anyone be surprised that their most inspiring offering is

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Speaker 1: a McKinsey ghoul who has never believed a single thing

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Speaker 1: in his entire life. The Democratic Party is a factory.

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01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: People like mayor Pete are the product. Anything that doesn't

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Speaker 1: fit in that model is a threat and must be

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Speaker 1: taken out back and shot. And then they all stand

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Speaker 1: around and fantasize about a candidate with the charisma of, say,

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Speaker 1: a cucumber instead of a jar of Manna's, and panic

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: about the utter dearth of talent that would lead you

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01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: to believe that a declining eighty two year old man

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01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: is still your best political player. You people made your mediocre,

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01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: out of touch values free bed. Unfortunately, it's all the

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01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: rest of us who are going to have to lay

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Speaker 1: it and sager. This piece is extraordinary because it's true.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot Com saga,

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01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well? There is a deep,

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01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: pervading sickness in America today. It manifests itself in all

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Speaker 1: kinds of ways. Today you see it more than ever.

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Speaker 1: Social isolation all time high, bolstered by the COVID lockdowns.

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Speaker 1: Opioid drug overdose is killing more Americans a year than

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Speaker 1: were lost in the entire Vietnam War. Massive spikes and

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Speaker 1: domestic violence disputes are all turning deadly. Violence is on

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Speaker 1: the street, bolstered by a fundamental feeling that the world

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Speaker 1: has just gone mad. And the worst and most obvious

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Speaker 1: manifestation of this is what we saw in Yuvalde, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen innocent little kids and two teachers slain by a madman.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions about law enforcement's handling of

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Speaker 1: this case so far, one is that I think that

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Speaker 1: will be very inconvenient for many sides of this debate

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Speaker 1: when all the facts are actually known. But the basic

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Speaker 1: fact remains this. The gun debate in this country basically

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Speaker 1: remains the same that it has been for the last

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Speaker 1: thirty to forty years. Should we ban assault weapons or not?

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Speaker 1: Should we fix loopholes in the background check system? If

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01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: you ask me on the latter one hundred percent of board.

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Speaker 1: There remains, though, a fundamental misunderstanding about the genesis of

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01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: the problem. As I spoke about yesterday in my discussion

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Speaker 1: with Crystal, there is a belief amongst a segment of

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01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: the liberal elite that the gun lobby itself is somehow

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01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: the main obstacle to most gun laws. On the latter

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Speaker 1: side regarding background checks, it is true on the margins,

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01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: but on a macro political level, here is the truth.

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01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: Support for guns is at an all time high in

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01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 1: America for a simple reason lack of trust in our

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Speaker 1: institutions and among each other. For people in the United

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Speaker 1: States who not only believe in the Second Amendment, but

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01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: are among the nearly one hundred million Americans or so

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01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: who either own a gun or live in a household

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01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: with one. There has to be an immense amount of

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01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: social trust in both each other and our institution to

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01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: give any ground whatsoever in good faith, especially on something

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01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: that is enshrined as a right in the Constitution. And unfortunately,

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01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, social trust in our government

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01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 1: is literally near the all time low. Only two percent

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01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: of Americans today say the government does what is right always.

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01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: Only twenty two percent say that they do it most

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Speaker 1: of the time. Those numbers in the nineteen sixties were

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Speaker 1: in the high seventies and eighties, collapsing and dwindling over

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Speaker 1: time ever since. In fact, there is a reason the

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Speaker 1: only time an assault weapons ban even passed in America

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Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety four. Look at the chart that I

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Speaker 1: showed you previously. There was a temporary spike in government

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Speaker 1: trust after and during winning the Cold War, during that

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Speaker 1: economic boon of nineteen ninety three. Furthermore, it is not

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Speaker 1: like that we trust anyone else, especially each other. The

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Speaker 1: level of Americans who have a high trust in each

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: other is at an all time low. In fact, out

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Speaker 1: of all the adults surveyed, a full one one third

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Speaker 1: have low trust in each other, and forty one percent

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: only have medium, only twenty two percent have high. If

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01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: you look at socioeconomic status, those who have a high

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Speaker 1: school degree or who make less than thirty thousand dollars

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01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: a year have a majority of those people who do

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01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 1: not trust each other or anybody else. Trust continues to

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Speaker 1: go up and is higher amongst the income scale, and

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Speaker 1: if you have a postgraduate degree. In other words, we

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01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: have no faith in the government. Most people have no

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Speaker 1: faith in each other, And if you're on the lower

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01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: end of the educational and income spectrum, you really really

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01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: don't have any trust in anyone. Buying a gun in America,

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Speaker 1: especially in the last two years, is not generally an

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Speaker 1: expression about hunting. It is an affirmation you may need

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Speaker 1: to use deadly force to defend yourself because you do

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01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: not trust that the police will save you if it

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01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: comes to that, or you don't trust that the police

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: won't come for you. And honestly, can you really argue

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Speaker 1: with that. We were forcibly locked down by our government

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: for months longer than it was needed in large squats

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Speaker 1: of this country. The sitting president denied the election results

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01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: and tried to implement a soft coup. And yes, we

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01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: had riots in the street, which billions of dollars in

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01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: property was burned. Even today, two years later, here in DC,

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01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: crime is skyrocketing. It is common knowledge you are on

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Speaker 1: your own when you get into a very bad situation.

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Speaker 1: Five million individuals became new gun owners just in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. If you consider twenty twenty and you

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Speaker 1: combine it with twenty twenty two, that number is possibly

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Speaker 1: as high as ten million, according to some estimates. Consider

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Speaker 1: how large that is. When you survey the number one

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Speaker 1: response that the people who bought one is I think

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Speaker 1: I might have to defend myself. Even before the insanity

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Speaker 1: of the last three years, Americans were already feeling strained.

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Speaker 1: How else do things become so insane? You elected dude

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01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: who was the host of the Apprentice, And when you

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01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: look at the data, no surprise, there has never been

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Speaker 1: less support than right now for a ban on handguns.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the numbers is at nineteen percent of Americans

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Speaker 1: who are okay with the ban. That has dropped from

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01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: sixty one in nineteen sixty one. The slow fall tracks

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Speaker 1: exactly with the same graph I showed you first trust

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01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: in government. When you have high trust in government, you're

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: willing to compromise and give up some level of control

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01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: at record low trusts. The answer is, of course, hell no.

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Speaker 1: As David Shore points out, in twenty seventeen, when Democrats

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Speaker 1: had a plus eid advantage on the generic ballot, Republicans

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01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 1: still had a plus four advantage on their position with guns,

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Speaker 1: and the clear message was that even some Democrats did

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01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: not agree with their own party on gun policy. And look, sure,

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Speaker 1: I think some small changes to the background system are fine.

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Speaker 1: The main message to all of those who want to

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Speaker 1: do something and who wish it could be just as

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Speaker 1: easy as just passing some law in the Senate, But

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Speaker 1: honestly it's not. The issue is we live in an

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Speaker 1: exceptionally free country with the right to firearm in some form,

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Speaker 1: and in that exceptionally free country, we do not trust

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Speaker 1: each other, We do not trust the government, and our population,

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01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: especially younger ones like the person who shot up the school,

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01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: are increasingly losing it. Suicide rates amongst young people skyrocketed

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01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, so did drug use and depression. Our

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01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: kids and our people are sick, and the people paying

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01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: the price are not just the tiny ones murdered in evility,

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: but many, many more across this nation, and what do

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Speaker 1: we do about it? I honestly don't know, but I

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Speaker 1: do know that the first step is being honest about it.

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Speaker 1: And Crystal, I mean the trust numbers. That is just deeply,

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01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: deeply sad because and if you want to hear my

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

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01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us now is Rupert Russell. He's

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01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: an expert on commodities. He's the author of Price Wars.

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Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. How the

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01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: commodities markets made our chaotic world. And Rupert is here

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01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,839
Speaker 1: to talk with us about how the war in Ukraine

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01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 1: is having a major crisis in terms of the food

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Speaker 1: crisis and in terms of embattled farmers. Rupert, first of all,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Just outline a

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Speaker 1: little bit how your background is informed what you see

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Speaker 1: happening right now with the Ukraine situation. Sure, So, the

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Speaker 1: past four years I spent writing this book Proprice Wars,

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Speaker 1: and also making a documentary film that went along with it,

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Speaker 1: and it was essentially an investigation into the tumultuous twenty

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Speaker 1: tens that covered everything from the global financial crisis to

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Speaker 1: the Arab spring, the war in Ukraine, the collapse in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: even the US border crisis. What I was able to

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Speaker 1: do was link each of these events to spikes in

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Speaker 1: the global commodity markets. And what was even more worrying

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Speaker 1: was that there was in fact a feedback loop whereby

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Speaker 1: a spike in the markets would create a war, riot

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Speaker 1: revolution that would cause markets to spike, and then in

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Speaker 1: turn we would have a kind of feedback loop. And

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Speaker 1: this is precisely what we're seeing right now. In twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, we saw energy prices going up, oil and gas.

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Speaker 1: This fuel the Premlin's coffers, This emboldened putin way, just

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Speaker 1: as it did in twenty eight and twenty fourteen. Are

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Speaker 1: we saw similar commodity price rises and high prices. This

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Speaker 1: then created, unfortunately, the war as we know, it fueled

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Speaker 1: the war, it enabled the war in February, and it

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Speaker 1: has in turn caused the commodity price shock which is

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Speaker 1: now being felt globally. So we're now seeing high oil prices,

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Speaker 1: high food prices. Those prices are also extremely volatile, and

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Speaker 1: that's also feeding into inflation worldwide, which is essentially causing

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Speaker 1: every single government in the world that's exposed to these

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Speaker 1: markets to become increasingly unpopular and creating domestic political crises,

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Speaker 1: And so is your theory. Basically, you track how these

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Speaker 1: commodity price shocks ultimately leads to destabilization and unrest in

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Speaker 1: countries around the world. Absolutely so. Food prices, in particular

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Speaker 1: in many parts of the world, particularly the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: are part of a kind of social contract. It's called

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Speaker 1: the democracy of bread, whereby regimes derived the legitimacy for

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Speaker 1: making life liverable, and that usually means guaranteeing the price

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Speaker 1: of food. But of course the price of oil is

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Speaker 1: also very very important. We can see in the United

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Speaker 1: States there's a similar social contract around gas prices, whereby

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Speaker 1: we see presidential approval ratings EBB and flow with the

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Speaker 1: gas price. And even at the beginning of this year,

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Speaker 1: in January, the Kazakhstan government was overthrown when they cut

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Speaker 1: fuel subsidies, essentially doubling the price of fuel. So prices

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Speaker 1: are extremely important part of the bedrock of political systems.

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Speaker 1: And of course this isn't a new phenomenon. This goes

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the French Revolution, and you

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01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: know Mary Antoinette's famous quip let let the meat cake.

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Speaker 1: You know, whenever I'm looking here at what you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: the loss of major supplies with farmers and more, can

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Speaker 1: you just go into what this means also for Ukraine itself.

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Speaker 1: I mean it almost feels terrible to, you know, say,

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Speaker 1: how is this going to affect our food price? But

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Speaker 1: what about them? Are they going to have the supplies

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Speaker 1: that they need because we see Russians also intentionally targeting

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Speaker 1: some of their grain reserves. Absolutely, of course this is

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Speaker 1: going to be a gigantic catastrophe for Ukraine and particularly

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Speaker 1: getting in not just war commodities such as the diesel

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Speaker 1: and food, although they have some in supplies, but also

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Speaker 1: getting in refined products such as diesel, which is absolutely

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Speaker 1: fundamental for their economy, for their farmers, but also for

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Speaker 1: the war effort as well. And so are we seeing

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Speaker 1: any signs of that global political unrest around the world

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Speaker 1: that maybe hasn't really popped up in the American media yet.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely we're beginning to see the start of it. So

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Speaker 1: we're seeing social protests happening in Peru, Argentina, Indonesia, Tunisia, India,

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Speaker 1: and of course Tri Lanka as well. So we're sort

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Speaker 1: of beginning the sea. We're beginning to see the start

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Speaker 1: the start of unrest, but we're by by no means

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Speaker 1: at the kind of avalanche level we were in twenty

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Speaker 1: in twenty ten, in twenty eleven with the Arab Spring.

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Speaker 1: And one of the reason is is that those disturbances

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Speaker 1: now never ended. The civil war in Libya is still

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Speaker 1: going on, the same as true for Syria and for

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Speaker 1: Yemen as well. And so I mean, the final question

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Speaker 1: I really have for you, Rupert, is what can we

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Speaker 1: do about it? Is there anything that the West can

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Speaker 1: realistically do about what has happened here? Or is this

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Speaker 1: a relative inevitability. The commodity price shock was caused by

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Speaker 1: Putin's invasion of Ukraine, but it's absolutely been amplified by

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Speaker 1: the way in which the West and America in particular,

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Speaker 1: has structured the global commodity markets. The rising food prices

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Speaker 1: are in part speculators pricing in perceived risk and perceived

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01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 1: short shortage ars globally. But it's worth remembering that even

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Speaker 1: though russ in Ukraine account for twenty five percent of

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Speaker 1: the world's exports, they actually only account for zero point

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Speaker 1: nine percent of global wheat production. That's to say, that

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Speaker 1: most production is done domestically by countries, and so what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing is sort of two things happening simultaneously. One

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Speaker 1: is those countries that Ukraine's wheat was destined to. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: some of these countries are very vulnerable, such as Bangladesh,

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Speaker 1: Lebon and Yemen. Those are going to have to source

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Speaker 1: their wheat for more expensive places because Ukrainian wheat to

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Speaker 1: all to be cheap, and that's going to lead to

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Speaker 1: higher prices simply on switching suppliers. And that's really where

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Speaker 1: the US and other players needs to really kind of

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Speaker 1: step in and make sure they can get affordable wheat.

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Speaker 1: The other part of this, remember is that this isn't

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Speaker 1: just about whereas Ukraine's Ukraine's wheat going, It's about the

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Speaker 1: global price of wheat, which everybody has to pay, right,

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Speaker 1: So those commodity prices you see on exchanges in Chicago

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Speaker 1: and Atlanta really impact the local prices of food from

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Speaker 1: Argentina to Sri Lanka to Cairo, and unfortunately those are

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Speaker 1: being exacerbated by the ways in which the commodity markets

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01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: have been financialized. We're seeing it amplified by algorithmic traders,

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Speaker 1: trend followers, Also we're seeing retail investors getting in on this.

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Speaker 1: They are sort of Reddit port forums like with g

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Speaker 1: game stock, where people are investing through ets on wheak futures.

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Speaker 1: And lastly, which is what worries me the most, is

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Speaker 1: that many institutional investors are using commodities as an inflation hedge.

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Speaker 1: That's to say that to kind of diversify their portfolios

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Speaker 1: and protect against inflation in the US, they park a

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Speaker 1: bunch of their money and commodity futures and this has

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Speaker 1: the self ful fulfilling effect of actually causing quosity prices

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Speaker 1: to rise, and that in turn fuels inflation. So that

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Speaker 1: piece of it is absolutely underneath US regulatory jurisdiction, and

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Speaker 1: it should have been stopped in two. In twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: when it was identified as a problem, it was legislated

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Speaker 1: in Godd Frank, but unfortunately to many lawsuits launched by

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Speaker 1: Wall Street, that was not implemented. And now now is

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Speaker 1: definitely the time. That's such an important point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: throughout modern human history, price of bread is a very

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01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:15,839
Speaker 1: good determinant of whether you're going to have social unrest,

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01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 1: and so this is a really important one to keep

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Speaker 1: your eye on. Guys. The book is price Wars. We

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Speaker 1: recommend it to all of you. Rubert, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for being with us today. Thanks, Rupert, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me absolutely. Thank you guys so much

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